Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Armagh18]

Hamas did wrong of course, but 1. It was nowhere near as bad as is being made out. 2. They didn't randomly do it for no reason out of the blue, they did nothing Israel hasnt been doing for years.

Don't minimise it. Neither Israel nor pretty much anyone else have gone on a rampage killing civilian men, women and children. While clearly they are both evil, there is a big difference between killing someone that is in your way and going around looking for someone to kill. If you do not realise this then your moral compass is arseways.

Didn't do it for no reason. And wtf have Israel been doing the last month? Come on?

They have been killing people in their way, as I said.

Seems like a rampage killing innocents to me. Maybe I'm antisemitic or something

[marty34]

Hamas did wrong of course, but 1. It was nowhere near as bad as is being made out. 2. They didn't randomly do it for no reason out of the blue, they did nothing Israel hasnt been doing for years.

Don't minimise it. Neither Israel nor pretty much anyone else have gone on a rampage killing civilian men, women and children. While clearly they are both evil, there is a big difference between killing someone that is in your way and going around looking for someone to kill. If you do not realise this then your moral compass is arseways.

Did you type that in the Israeli Embassy?

Ironically, I don't think you have a moral compass.

[trueblue1234]

Hamas did wrong of course, but 1. It was nowhere near as bad as is being made out. 2. They didn't randomly do it for no reason out of the blue, they did nothing Israel hasnt been doing for years.

Don't minimise it. Neither Israel nor pretty much anyone else have gone on a rampage killing civilian men, women and children. While clearly they are both evil, there is a big difference between killing someone that is in your way and going around looking for someone to kill. If you do not realise this then your moral compass is arseways.

Do you honestly believe everything you've written there?

Yes. What did I say that was incorrect?
Isreal is a big truck speeding along the road who does not care who is run over. But that is not quite the same as going on the road deliberately driving up on the footpath to kill anyone you see.
I am very critical of Israel, but there is a lot of loose language here which over simplifies something that is nuanced. And posting WTF is not a useful contribution.

If there is a terrorist group whose primary aim to to kill people of your faith and you have information on where their leadership will be, is it acceptable to bomb that location and risk civilian casualties?

If it is wrong at a Shankill road chip shop it is wrong at a hospital in Gaza.

Absolutely it is wrong. But it is not the same as starting at one end of the Shankhill road and going into every house and killing everyone you meet, apart from those you take hostage, of course.

Did Israel do nothing wrong prior to 7th Oct to contribute to what is happening now? There is a lot of loose language being used I'd agree. Part of that is implying the narrative started on 7th Oct. To try and justify Israel's response is impossible in my eyes. Their response is evil and should be called out as such st all times. Just as Hama's actions were on 7th Oct.

[SHEEDY]

Hamas did wrong of course, but 1. It was nowhere nea bad as is being made out. 2. They didn't randomly do it for no reason out of the blue, they did nothing Israel hasnt been doing for years.

Don't minimise it. Neither Israel nor pretty much anyone else have gone on a rampage killing civilian men, women and children. While clearly they are both evil, there is a big difference between killing someone that is in your way and going around looking for someone to kill. If you do not realise this then your moral compass is arseways.

I've seen some wtf stuff over this past month but this is another level, unreal.

[armaghniac]

Hamas did wrong of course, but 1. It was nowhere nea bad as is being made out. 2. They didn't randomly do it for no reason out of the blue, they did nothing Israel hasnt been doing for years.

Don't minimise it. Neither Israel nor pretty much anyone else have gone on a rampage killing civilian men, women and children. While clearly they are both evil, there is a big difference between killing someone that is in your way and going around looking for someone to kill. If you do not realise this then your moral compass is arseways.

I've seen some wtf stuff over this past month but this is another level, unreal.

Lots of WTF comments. As I said, if I said something incorrect then refute it.
Do you not think that there is a difference between a willingness to kill people in your way and going around hunting men, women and children to kill them? Perhaps you do not see a difference, which would concern me.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Is the suggestion that Israel are "only" killing those in their way, whereas Hamas are "going around hunting" for victims?

Also, what would count as a "rampage killing civilian men, women and children" if we haven't yet had that?

[trueblue1234]

Hamas did wrong of course, but 1. It was nowhere nea bad as is being made out. 2. They didn't randomly do it for no reason out of the blue, they did nothing Israel hasnt been doing for years.

Don't minimise it. Neither Israel nor pretty much anyone else have gone on a rampage killing civilian men, women and children. While clearly they are both evil, there is a big difference between killing someone that is in your way and going around looking for someone to kill. If you do not realise this then your moral compass is arseways.

I've seen some wtf stuff over this past month but this is another level, unreal.

Lots of WTF comments. As I said, if I said something incorrect then refute it.
Do you not think that there is a difference between a willingness to kill people in your way and going around hunting men, women and children to kill them? Perhaps you do not see a difference, which would concern me.

Do you believe that Israel's actions are solely to get at Hamas? Genuinely? I'd be more concerned by that level of gullibility tbh.

[armaghniac]

Is the suggestion that Israel are "only" killing those in their way, whereas Hamas are "going around hunting" for victims?

Exactly. Both evil, but not the same.

Also, what would count as a "rampage killing civilian men, women and children" if we haven't yet had that?

Just bombing everything, from one end to the other and then sending in ground troops to shoot anyone left. That is what Hamas did and why I objected to people saying that it wasn't that bad. What is left?

Do you believe that Israel's actions are solely to get at Hamas? Genuinely? I'd be more concerned by that level of gullibility tbh.

No, I do not believe that. But they still fall short of the depravity of Hamas all the same.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

If bombing refugee camps and hospitals in the very part of Gaza where Israel told people to go in order to be safe doesn't count as a rampage killing men, women and children, I honestly don't know what to say.

[armaghniac]

If bombing refugee camps and hospitals in the very part of Gaza where Israel told people to go in order to be safe doesn't count as a rampage killing men, women and children, I honestly don't know what to say.

Perhaps you should actually think about it. The disgusting death toll results from the greater capacity of the Israelis, with that capacity they could do much worse.
There are conflicts where the blame lies almost all on one side, this one has a long history and neither side has a clean sheet.

[trueblue1234]

Do you believe that Israel's actions are solely to get at Hamas? Genuinely? I'd be more concerned by that level of gullibility tbh.

No, I do not believe that. But they still fall short of the depravity of Hamas all the same.
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I'd find your view extremely concerning. What has Hamas done that is a higher level of depravity than bombing hospitals, indiscriminate killing of men, women and children, cutting power and water to thousands of innocent people, forcing the residents of Gaza to fled from their homes.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

If bombing refugee camps and hospitals in the very part of Gaza where Israel told people to go in order to be safe doesn't count as a rampage killing men, women and children, I honestly don't know what to say.

Perhaps you should actually think about it. The disgusting death toll results from the greater capacity of the Israelis, with that capacity they could do much worse.
There are conflicts where the blame lies almost all on one side, this one has a long history and neither side has a clean sheet.

If what you've done is think about it, I want no part of that.

[JoG2]

Hamas did wrong of course, but 1. It was nowhere nea bad as is being made out. 2. They didn't randomly do it for no reason out of the blue, they did nothing Israel hasnt been doing for years.

Don't minimise it. Neither Israel nor pretty much anyone else have gone on a rampage killing civilian men, women and children. While clearly they are both evil, there is a big difference between killing someone that is in your way and going around looking for someone to kill. If you do not realise this then your moral compass is arseways.

I've seen some wtf stuff over this past month but this is another level, unreal.

Read on, he's only getting warmed up by the looks of it

[armaghniac]

Do you believe that Israel's actions are solely to get at Hamas? Genuinely? I'd be more concerned by that level of gullibility tbh.

No, I do not believe that. But they still fall short of the depravity of Hamas all the same.

I'd find your view extremely concerning. What has Hamas done that is a higher level of depravity than bombing hospitals, indiscriminate killing of men, women and children, cutting power and water to thousands of innocent people, forcing the residents of Gaza to fled from their homes.
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It is not indiscriminate killing, it is targeted killing.
Hamas killing was truly indiscriminate.
All of this is obvious, and none of it is a reason not to oppose to Israeli violence, but it absolutely is a reason not to declare the Hamas atrocity as not that bad.

Read on, he's only getting warmed up by the looks of it

I note that you did not refute my point, only express surprise that I made it.

[trueblue1234]

Do you believe that Israel's actions are solely to get at Hamas? Genuinely? I'd be more concerned by that level of gullibility tbh.

No, I do not believe that. But they still fall short of the depravity of Hamas all the same.

I'd find your view extremely concerning. What has Hamas done that is a higher level of depravity than bombing hospitals, indiscriminate killing of men, women and children, cutting power and water to thousands of innocent people, forcing the residents of Gaza to fled from their homes.

It is not indiscriminate killing, it is targeted killing.
Hamas killing was truly indiscriminate.
All of this is obvious, and none of it is a reason not to oppose to Israeli violence, but it absolutely is a reason not to declare the Hamas atrocity as not that bad.

Read on, he's only getting warmed up by the looks of it

I note that you did not refute my point, only express surprise that I made it.
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Targeted at hospitals and civilians. Do you understand the word indiscriminate? They aren't treating the innocent any different than Hamas fighters.
Anyway, it's late. I think you're morale compass is seriously f**ked up so happy to leave it there.