Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Deerstalker]

They are worried that Uncle Joe will turn off the money tap

[Itchy]

Why did Sinn Fein abstain from the motion to expel the Israeli ambassador?

Expelling ambassadors is a show-off concept, not a serious one. The Russia, Iranian, Chinese etc ambassadors are still there and you need someone to give out it.

Except the last time this happened they were leading the calls for it. What's changed? Genocide Joe cuddling up to Mary Lou is what happened.
They've lost my No1 vote as a result

Would like to hear their reasons why.

Because they want to be serious party and not just a shouty one.

In 2021 the put a motion forward in the Dail to expel the Ambassador. What's changed I wonder. Not acceptable to me.

[weareros]

Irish-America for the most part is very pro-Israel and Jewish politicians in Democratic Party in USA have been very pro Ireland and very supportive of the Good Friday Agreement, and less friendly to DUP (not helped when Donaldson told Chuck Schumer to read a history book). Sinn Fein has close ties with Irish-America and raises lots of money there. They have even managed to have close ties with Republican/Right Wing Irish-American politicians. People like Peter King. Sure even Trump ended up at a Sinn Fein fundraiser once. In many ways it's remarkable how they do it. But abstaining is an example. They will not alienate that base. Will any of them boycott Biden on Saint Paddy's Day. That would be a No.

[Brendan]

Shinners office in Dungiven painted over calling pointing out the Palestine hypocracy

[Itchy]

Irish-America for the most part is very pro-Israel and Jewish politicians in Democratic Party in USA have been very pro Ireland and very supportive of the Good Friday Agreement, and less friendly to DUP (not helped when Donaldson told Chuck Schumer to read a history book). Sinn Fein has close ties with Irish-America and raises lots of money there. They have even managed to have close ties with Republican/Right Wing Irish-American politicians. People like Peter King. Sure even Trump ended up at a Sinn Fein fundraiser once. In many ways it's remarkable how they do it. But abstaining is an example. They will not alienate that base. Will any of them boycott Biden on Saint Paddy's Day. That would be a No.

Did that much happen in last 2 years

[Franko]

Why did Sinn Fein abstain from the motion to expel the Israeli ambassador?

Expelling ambassadors is a show-off concept, not a serious one. The Russia, Iranian, Chinese etc ambassadors are still there and you need someone to give out it.

Except the last time this happened they were leading the calls for it. What's changed? Genocide Joe cuddling up to Mary Lou is what happened.
They've lost my No1 vote as a result

Would like to hear their reasons why.

Because they want to be serious party and not just a shouty one.

At a time like this any serious party SHOULD be 'shouty'.

[weareros]

Irish-America for the most part is very pro-Israel and Jewish politicians in Democratic Party in USA have been very pro Ireland and very supportive of the Good Friday Agreement, and less friendly to DUP (not helped when Donaldson told Chuck Schumer to read a history book). Sinn Fein has close ties with Irish-America and raises lots of money there. They have even managed to have close ties with Republican/Right Wing Irish-American politicians. People like Peter King. Sure even Trump ended up at a Sinn Fein fundraiser once. In many ways it's remarkable how they do it. But abstaining is an example. They will not alienate that base. Will any of them boycott Biden on Saint Paddy's Day. That would be a No.

Did that much happen in last 2 years

The Schumer Donaldson was this year.
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/dup-leader-tells-chuck-schumer-to-read-a-history-book-as-brexit-jostling-continues-in-washington-12835041

[burdizzo]

Why did Sinn Fein abstain from the motion to expel the Israeli ambassador?

It's like Meloni in Italy and the boats - someone put their arm around her shoulder and whispered in her ear "you can't do that"!

[general_lee]

Irish-America for the most part is very pro-Israel and Jewish politicians in Democratic Party in USA have been very pro Ireland and very supportive of the Good Friday Agreement, and less friendly to DUP (not helped when Donaldson told Chuck Schumer to read a history book). Sinn Fein has close ties with Irish-America and raises lots of money there. They have even managed to have close ties with Republican/Right Wing Irish-American politicians. People like Peter King. Sure even Trump ended up at a Sinn Fein fundraiser once. In many ways it's remarkable how they do it. But abstaining is an example. They will not alienate that base. Will any of them boycott Biden on Saint Paddy's Day. That would be a No.

All well and good but they've called for the Israeli ambassador to be expelled before have they not? And not that long ago if memory serves me right...

[weareros]

Irish-America for the most part is very pro-Israel and Jewish politicians in Democratic Party in USA have been very pro Ireland and very supportive of the Good Friday Agreement, and less friendly to DUP (not helped when Donaldson told Chuck Schumer to read a history book). Sinn Fein has close ties with Irish-America and raises lots of money there. They have even managed to have close ties with Republican/Right Wing Irish-American politicians. People like Peter King. Sure even Trump ended up at a Sinn Fein fundraiser once. In many ways it's remarkable how they do it. But abstaining is an example. They will not alienate that base. Will any of them boycott Biden on Saint Paddy's Day. That would be a No.

All well and good but they've called for the Israeli ambassador to be expelled before have they not? And not that long ago if memory serves me right...

Of course they did and Ogra Sinn Fein collected 80,000 signatures. But at the same time they are not going to meet Chuck who personally told Sinn Fein he supports a United Ireland and took the nationalist side on Brexit having expelled the ambassador. He is now the man sending all the money to Israel to defend itself and wipe out Gaza. He even said it's not enough money. But that is how SF operate. It's why they are against fox hunting in 26 and voted for it in the 6. It's why they can break the 26 rules on accepting foreign money and use the 6 county rules to amass huge amounts, much from these out of touch Irish-Americans but who are strong on Irish Unity. They are for housing but not in my neighbourhood where there's votes to be got. They can hold these contradictory positions because they are aided by the same dumb Irish electorate that has also greatly benefited FFFG for last 100 years.

[Milltown Row2]

Political parties looking after their funding/votes/image

That stuff changes like the wind

Though the North Beflast MP was at a charity fund sevens tournament the other day in Ardoyne to raise money and awareness in Gazza...

Not sure of the 'company' line but individuals will have their strong moral compass intact

[LeoMc]

Political parties looking after their funding/votes/image

That stuff changes like the wind

Though the North Beflast MP was at a charity fund sevens tournament the other day in Ardoyne to raise money and awareness in Gazza...

Not sure of the 'company' line but individuals will have their strong moral compass intact

Our local bread carrier has also put out a personal statement on the plight of the Gazan people.

SF and their online army have typically been one of the most robust at holding the "official position" so it is good to see some decentralisation and allowances for personal opinion and comment.

A political party does not need to hold an homogenous position on everything.

[imtommygunn]

Read some interesting commentary on this where someone thinks that the "western world" are maneuvering towards  blaming Netanyahu for this with the desired outcome being it is perceived Israel is not the problem at all and if he gets ousted then that will be presented as the problem having gone away.

[trailer]

Irish-America for the most part is very pro-Israel and Jewish politicians in Democratic Party in USA have been very pro Ireland and very supportive of the Good Friday Agreement, and less friendly to DUP (not helped when Donaldson told Chuck Schumer to read a history book). Sinn Fein has close ties with Irish-America and raises lots of money there. They have even managed to have close ties with Republican/Right Wing Irish-American politicians. People like Peter King. Sure even Trump ended up at a Sinn Fein fundraiser once. In many ways it's remarkable how they do it. But abstaining is an example. They will not alienate that base. Will any of them boycott Biden on Saint Paddy's Day. That would be a No.

All well and good but they've called for the Israeli ambassador to be expelled before have they not? And not that long ago if memory serves me right...

Of course they did and Ogra Sinn Fein collected 80,000 signatures. But at the same time they are not going to meet Chuck who personally told Sinn Fein he supports a United Ireland and took the nationalist side on Brexit having expelled the ambassador. He is now the man sending all the money to Israel to defend itself and wipe out Gaza. He even said it's not enough money. But that is how SF operate. It's why they are against fox hunting in 26 and voted for it in the 6. It's why they can break the 26 rules on accepting foreign money and use the 6 county rules to amass huge amounts, much from these out of touch Irish-Americans but who are strong on Irish Unity. They are for housing but not in my neighbourhood where there's votes to be got. They can hold these contradictory positions because they are aided by the same dumb Irish electorate that has also greatly benefited FFFG for last 100 years.

SF will soon find being a protest party and a party of government are two very different things. Watch as they abandon many of their "official positions"

[general_lee]

Irish-America for the most part is very pro-Israel and Jewish politicians in Democratic Party in USA have been very pro Ireland and very supportive of the Good Friday Agreement, and less friendly to DUP (not helped when Donaldson told Chuck Schumer to read a history book). Sinn Fein has close ties with Irish-America and raises lots of money there. They have even managed to have close ties with Republican/Right Wing Irish-American politicians. People like Peter King. Sure even Trump ended up at a Sinn Fein fundraiser once. In many ways it's remarkable how they do it. But abstaining is an example. They will not alienate that base. Will any of them boycott Biden on Saint Paddy's Day. That would be a No.

All well and good but they've called for the Israeli ambassador to be expelled before have they not? And not that long ago if memory serves me right...

Of course they did and Ogra Sinn Fein collected 80,000 signatures. But at the same time they are not going to meet Chuck who personally told Sinn Fein he supports a United Ireland and took the nationalist side on Brexit having expelled the ambassador. He is now the man sending all the money to Israel to defend itself and wipe out Gaza. He even said it's not enough money. But that is how SF operate. It's why they are against fox hunting in 26 and voted for it in the 6. It's why they can break the 26 rules on accepting foreign money and use the 6 county rules to amass huge amounts, much from these out of touch Irish-Americans but who are strong on Irish Unity. They are for housing but not in my neighbourhood where there's votes to be got. They can hold these contradictory positions because they are aided by the same dumb Irish electorate that has also greatly benefited FFFG for last 100 years.

SF will soon find being a protest party and a party of government are two very different things. Watch as they abandon many of their "official positions"

Yeah. They wouldn't be the first political party to ever change their tune.