Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[LeoMc]

The Palestinian people and the Israeli people have the right to live their life in freedom. However both have selected monsters to achieve that freedom and the Palestinian people will suffer the most because of the power imbalance. Cheering for either side is cheering for the death and destruction of innocents.
Thoughts and prayers will do nothing either.

Hamas kills Israelis, Hamas wins.
Israelis kill Palestinians, Hamas wins.

Finally some right wing Israelis are starting to see that Netanyahu and his blood and land thirsty policies are not in their interest but it will take extreme bravery to be the first to lay down your shield.

[seafoid]

It's up to the Israelis to change. Netanyahu is a failure now. His occupation on the cheap is banjaxed. The left wing Israelis need to seize the moment and change direction. Because they do NOT want a Jews versus Muslims religious war.

[armaghniac]

The Palestinian people and the Israeli people have the right to live their life in freedom. However both have selected monsters to achieve that freedom and the Palestinian people will suffer the most because of the power imbalance. Cheering for either side is cheering for the death and destruction of innocents.
Thoughts and prayers will do nothing either.

Hamas kills Israelis, Hamas wins.
Israelis kill Palestinians, Hamas wins.

Finally some right wing Israelis are starting to see that Netanyahu and his blood and land thirsty policies are not in their interest but it will take extreme bravery to be the first to lay down your shield.

Both sides are in the lose-lose quadrant. But the problem is that malign forces outside are aggravating the situation, the likes of the Iran regime do not care about the Palestinians and recent events have been designed to stir things up regardless of the number killed and maimed.

It's up to the Israelis to change. Netanyahu is a failure now. His occupation on the cheap is banjaxed. The left wing Israelis need to seize the moment and change direction. Because they do NOT want a Jews versus Muslims religious war.

Getting rid of Netanyahu would certainly help.

[burdizzo]

Its a shit hot take from the smartest guy in the Irish Freedom Party

Ha ha! Again, what you deduce, from zero evidence, turns out to be wrong. You're a funny guy, but a waste of time. X

[AustinPowers]

I'm on the centre right end of the spectrum, but I can tell right from wrong. All you need to do is look at goggle maps, the Palestinian people hemmed into an open jail in 2 small parcels of land, while Israelis have ample space to move freely. The Israelis regularly guilty of war crimes.
If people want to see the real face of the far right, look no further than Netanyahu & his cronies. Disgusting but not surprising he is supported by Von der Leyen & Biden. Look around us in europe, we have savages to the south & east.
Von der Leyen is our leader, the Germans, French & Dutch our overlords, the yanks our source of income via multinationals, we are somewhat complicit in this gross terrorism.
For balance Hamas are a bad shower too, shooting & capturing civilians is an act of gross barbarity, yer one captured on video, screaming for her life, is now dead. Thats painfully bad for optics & losses sympathy, even if the state of Israel are the real aggressors here.
One could argue that Israelis voted in this Netanyahu regime (although only marginally), I still struggle with death of innocents. The international community need to intervene, but thats not going to happen, what choice do the people of Palestine have? This is as ugly as it gets.
As Irish people we should not stand with the Israelis we need to be decent & some how support the impoverished from Palestine.

Absolutely correct

[trailer]

Hamas is hoping for a brutal response. Bringing the IDF into the Gaza strip and from there who knows where this war will end. It quite possibly could draw other countries and terrorist groups into the war.

[Milltown Row2]

Hamas is hoping for a brutal response. Bringing the IDF into the Gaza strip and from there who knows where this war will end. It quite possibly could draw other countries and terrorist groups into the war.

ISIS?

 

[tbrick18]

Whilst I dont agree with the acts played out by Hamas over this attack, it's telling how swayed the media are in favour of Isreal here.
Look at how much coverage this gets, with rarely any coverage of atrocities carried out by the Isreali state against the Palestinian people.

I'm being careful how I word this when I say that the Isreali state is a terrorist state and what they are doing and have been doing to the Palestinian people is a crime against humanity and breaks international law.
The people of Palestine have little options open to them given that Isreal is supported by the US on the main.
Option 1: do nothing. Accept the reality that they are 2nd class citizens with no rights being held in an open prison, living in poverty and fear with little access to health care and education.
Option 2: Try to leave - but the Isreali state won't allow them.
Option 3: Fight back - but in the face of a vastly superior force there's no way an all out war can work and will result in many innocent deaths and ultimately a failure.

A lack of options in this way will inevitably lead to periods where the tension builds to a point that is spills over. Hamas seem to be the embodiment of that for the Palestinian people (though I don't know if all Palestinians see them as their protectors). From a military pov, a guerilla war against the Isreali state is the only option. I can see the rationale....bring the atrocities happening in Palestine to the people of Isreal. Generally innocent people. But by attacking them, they might in some way influence the opinions of the Isreali electorate. Those innocent people might take notice of what is happening in Palestine when asking the question, why are Hamas attacking us?
The IRA did it by bombing London.
The British media had to report that to the British people.
Perhaps the thinking is the same here, but I am just surmising.

It doesn't excuse the murder of innocents, but desperate people will do desperate things.
Iran may be in the background influencing the conversation too, but I still feel this is a boiling over of the way Palestinians are being forced to live.

I really don't understand why the Isreali state gets so much international support when they are in blatant breech of International law with the land grabs and disregard for human rights of the Palestinian people.

[Itchy]

Its a shit hot take from the smartest guy in the Irish Freedom Party

Ha ha! Again, what you deduce, from zero evidence, turns out to be wrong. You're a funny guy, but a waste of time. X

You're not the smartest guy? Jesus the bar was very low so I just made that assumption. Apologies.

[Itchy]

Hamas is hoping for a brutal response. Bringing the IDF into the Gaza strip and from there who knows where this war will end. It quite possibly could draw other countries and terrorist groups into the war.

Other terrorist groups other than the IDF do you mean?

[Armagh18]

Hamas is hoping for a brutal response. Bringing the IDF into the Gaza strip and from there who knows where this war will end. It quite possibly could draw other countries and terrorist groups into the war.

Other terrorist groups other than the IDF do you mean?

US Army maybe?

[seafoid]

Hamas is hoping for a brutal response. Bringing the IDF into the Gaza strip and from there who knows where this war will end. It quite possibly could draw other countries and terrorist groups into the war.

ISIS?

 

ISIS is banjaxed.
They want to bring Iraqi militia and Hezbollah into a wider conflagration.
The Iraqis are ready.
It would be a religious war of Muslims versus Jews.
Israel does not want Hezbollah rocketing Tel Aviv so it can't crush Gaza.
The strategic calculations are very complicated. Hamas are much better than they used to be. Much more organised and much more technically accomplished. Israel has to be very careful.

Israel can't hack anything longer than 2 weeks with limited deaths.

[trailer]

Hamas is hoping for a brutal response. Bringing the IDF into the Gaza strip and from there who knows where this war will end. It quite possibly could draw other countries and terrorist groups into the war.

Other terrorist groups other than the IDF do you mean?

Hezbollah, Other Muslim terrorists, Iran, other Muslim states. Who knows. I find it hard to believe Muslims will sit and watch other innocent Muslims being slaughtered.
The body count will be scandalous and we can only watch.

[Armagh18]

Hamas is hoping for a brutal response. Bringing the IDF into the Gaza strip and from there who knows where this war will end. It quite possibly could draw other countries and terrorist groups into the war.

Other terrorist groups other than the IDF do you mean?

Hezbollah, Other Muslim terrorists, Iran, other Muslim states. Who knows. I find it hard to believe Muslims will sit and watch other innocent Muslims being slaughtered.
The body count will be scandalous and we can only watch.

They've been doing it for years....

Seen stuff online about Taliban fighters looking to go over whether or not thats true i dont know

[seafoid]

The framing of Palestinians as animals and savages is all about implying that they are not fully human and incapable of managing their own affairs. This is what the Brits did in Ireland in the 19th century and Punch magazine has loads of cartoons demonstrating it  :

https://magazine.punch.co.uk/gallery-image/Ireland-Cartoons/G0000tcWkXyP4OHo/I00006SkYAlrcOgU
https://magazine.punch.co.uk/gallery-image/Ireland-Cartoons/G0000tcWkXyP4OHo/I00006SkYAlrcOgU