Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[gallsman]

Maybe shout "¡no pasarán!" a few times.

Dammi falastini

Close enough.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Maybe shout "¡no pasarán!" a few times.

Dammi falastini

Close enough.

Another useful contribution. Can I ask what you expect me to do? should I try and make witty retorts like you!!

[Milltown Row2]

Anyone trying to justify this needs to take a good look at themselves

Take each atrocity be it from the Israeli's or Hamas and deal with that, the "ah but" argument is not going to work.

Israel needs to be accountable for their actions over the last 75 years or more, no one is saying what they have done over that period is fine, but butchering kids at a music festival and kidnapping 100 more will never make Hamas legit, political suicide. it beggars belief that in their head they thought that this would work out. I really fear for the 2.5 million people living in Gaza

There will be a door by door street by street take down once the troops go in, and it won't be nice and they actually won't give a stuff what anyone says when they take their revenge.

[Itchy]

Anyone trying to justify this needs to take a good look at themselves

Take each atrocity be it from the Israeli's or Hamas and deal with that, the "ah but" argument is not going to work.

Israel needs to be accountable for their actions over the last 75 years or more, no one is saying what they have done over that period is fine, but butchering kids at a music festival and kidnapping 100 more will never make Hamas legit, political suicide. it beggars belief that in their head they thought that this would work out. I really fear for the 2.5 million people living in Gaza

There will be a door by door street by street take down once the troops go in, and it won't be nice and they actually won't give a stuff what anyone says when they take their revenge.

I'd be interested in what real options are open to Hamas.

1- There is zero interest from Israel and her allies in any negotiation and settlement.
2- Isreal's plan is to obliterate Palestine, get rid of their people and steal their land.
3- Israel has one of the best armed armies in the world with the best of the best technology. Palestine has relative sticks and stones
4- The "international community" don't give a f**k

So bearing the above in mind, it seems like peaceful protest, writing strongly worded letters and even pinpoint targeting of Israeli army targets are pretty much nonsense ideas.

What should they do?

[Milltown Row2]

Here's what they shouldn't do.. murdering young people women and kids at a music festival.. Kidnapping and parading them around the streets of Gaza

I agree with all of your post btw, but the people of Palestine deserve something better than what Hamas is trying to achieve

[Franko]

Anyone trying to justify this needs to take a good look at themselves

Take each atrocity be it from the Israeli's or Hamas and deal with that, the "ah but" argument is not going to work.

Israel needs to be accountable for their actions over the last 75 years or more, no one is saying what they have done over that period is fine, but butchering kids at a music festival and kidnapping 100 more will never make Hamas legit, political suicide. it beggars belief that in their head they thought that this would work out. I really fear for the 2.5 million people living in Gaza

There will be a door by door street by street take down once the troops go in, and it won't be nice and they actually won't give a stuff what anyone says when they take their revenge.

I'd be interested in what real options are open to Hamas.

1- There is zero interest from Israel and her allies in any negotiation and settlement.
2- Isreal's plan is to obliterate Palestine, get rid of their people and steal their land.
3- Israel has one of the best armed armies in the world with the best of the best technology. Palestine has relative sticks and stones
4- The "international community" don't give a f**k

So bearing the above in mind, it seems like peaceful protest, writing strongly worded letters and even pinpoint targeting of Israeli army targets are pretty much nonsense ideas.

What should they do?

This is what I keep coming back to.  And nobody will answer this.

You're a Palestinian father and a 35T digger with truck loads of soldiers armed to the teeth for protection is rolling up to your house to demolish it, leave you and your family homeless (minimum) and give it to someone else.

And nobody gives a fcuk, because you've watched it happen to all around you for years.

And someone like MR2 is typing bullshit on his laptop from his climate controlled living room telling you you should be calm and act rationally.

WTF...

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Anyone trying to justify this needs to take a good look at themselves

Take each atrocity be it from the Israeli's or Hamas and deal with that, the "ah but" argument is not going to work.

Israel needs to be accountable for their actions over the last 75 years or more, no one is saying what they have done over that period is fine, but butchering kids at a music festival and kidnapping 100 more will never make Hamas legit, political suicide. it beggars belief that in their head they thought that this would work out. I really fear for the 2.5 million people living in Gaza

There will be a door by door street by street take down once the troops go in, and it won't be nice and they actually won't give a stuff what anyone says when they take their revenge.

that is a complete cop out. And once again no is one is offering a justification. I am certainly not going 'ah but'. no one has the time to list of all the crimes of occupation and its indirect and direct consequences.

it beggar's belief that you are trying to create a narrative, like others on here that resistent to an occupation is political suicide... not a mention of the muliple military targets hit during the resistence, for over 75 years the Palestinians have suffered there is 2m captured/kidnapped in Gaza and on here referring 100 people and it will turn people against Palestine. the narrative is set by Israel and the west and posters on here are parroting it.

already complete families have been murdered in Gaza but I've not seen one reference to it here only banal generalities about revenge etc.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Here's what they shouldn't do.. murdering young people women and kids at a music festival.. Kidnapping and parading them around the streets of Gaza

I agree with all of your post btw, but the people of Palestine deserve something better than what Hamas is trying to achieve

they voted for Hamas before the west decided they voted the wrong way.

[johnnycool]

Here's what they shouldn't do.. murdering young people women and kids at a music festival.. Kidnapping and parading them around the streets of Gaza

I agree with all of your post btw, but the people of Palestine deserve something better than what Hamas is trying to achieve

I agree with this but the Western world isn't interested in Palestine, they actively turn a blind eye to the IDF's terrorist war crimes day and daily, it's only when the likes of Hamas fight back and yes it's barbaric, the very same barbaric attacks that are carried out on them, but we in the West have a jaundiced eye on this.
The State of Israel is a law unto itself, ably enabled by the Religious wing nuts in the US, British arrogance and German guilt.

[trailer]

We're only hearing about this because there's loads of Jews in the USA, UK that are wealthy and they vote. Other than that, this is just another centuries old war in a country thousands of miles away.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

We're only hearing about this because there's loads of Jews in the USA, UK that are wealthy and they vote. Other than that, this is just another centuries old war in a country thousands of miles away.

it is not centuries old. You clearly haven't a clue, antisemitism tropes reaffirm that.

[Itchy]

Here's what they shouldn't do.. murdering young people women and kids at a music festival.. Kidnapping and parading them around the streets of Gaza

I agree with all of your post btw, but the people of Palestine deserve something better than what Hamas is trying to achieve

I know but its also easy to say what they shouldnt do. I'd love to know what they should do

[trailer]

We're only hearing about this because there's loads of Jews in the USA, UK that are wealthy and they vote. Other than that, this is just another centuries old war in a country thousands of miles away.

it is not centuries old. You clearly haven't a clue, antisemitism tropes reaffirm that.

Muslims, Christians, and all sorts have been fighting over that piece of land for millennia. 

[Milltown Row2]

Anyone trying to justify this needs to take a good look at themselves

Take each atrocity be it from the Israeli's or Hamas and deal with that, the "ah but" argument is not going to work.

Israel needs to be accountable for their actions over the last 75 years or more, no one is saying what they have done over that period is fine, but butchering kids at a music festival and kidnapping 100 more will never make Hamas legit, political suicide. it beggars belief that in their head they thought that this would work out. I really fear for the 2.5 million people living in Gaza

There will be a door by door street by street take down once the troops go in, and it won't be nice and they actually won't give a stuff what anyone says when they take their revenge.

I'd be interested in what real options are open to Hamas.

1- There is zero interest from Israel and her allies in any negotiation and settlement.
2- Isreal's plan is to obliterate Palestine, get rid of their people and steal their land.
3- Israel has one of the best armed armies in the world with the best of the best technology. Palestine has relative sticks and stones
4- The "international community" don't give a f**k

So bearing the above in mind, it seems like peaceful protest, writing strongly worded letters and even pinpoint targeting of Israeli army targets are pretty much nonsense ideas.

What should they do?

This is what I keep coming back to.  And nobody will answer this.

You're a Palestinian father and a 35T digger with truck loads of soldiers armed to the teeth for protection is rolling up to your house to demolish it, leave you and your family homeless (minimum) and give it to someone else.

And nobody gives a fcuk, because you've watched it happen to all around you for years.

And someone like MR2 is typing bullshit on his laptop from his climate controlled living room telling you you should be calm and act rationally.

WTF...

So put up were I said stay calm and act rationally? You can't wait to take the personal attack at me, but sure fill your boots

So what should they do? 

[Franko]

I don't know.  But I'm not the one on here pontificating about what they shouldn't do.  Maybe you want to have a go at answering the question?

But I'll tell you this truth.  If you treat a group of people like subhuman savages,  then you shouldn't be wringing hands and acting surprised when they behave in exactly that way.