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Title: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 20, 2008, 08:49:07 AM
Went down to a friends house last night to watch the Euro game.  Himself and his missus are both teachers.  She finishes work this Wednesday, and he is finshed on Friday.  Seriously, what a life?  The entire summer off. Jammy hoors
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on June 20, 2008, 08:51:29 AM
If only it were that simple!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seany on June 20, 2008, 09:12:28 AM
Aren't you sick of all those high paid teachers?

Their hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work nine or ten months a year!
It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do...baby-sit!

We can get that for less than minimum wage. That's right. I would give them £3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked, not any of that silly planning time. That would be a day (7:45 AM to 4:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch).

Each parent should pay £19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now, how many do they teach in a day... maybe 30? So that's 19.50 X 30 = £585.00 a day.

However, remember they only work 180 days a year!
I am not going to pay them for any vacations.
Let's see . . that's £585 x 180 = £105,300 per year.
(Hold on! .. My calculator must need batteries!)

What about those special teachers and the ones with Master's degrees?
Well, we could pay them minimum wage just to be fair, £5.52 an hour.
That would be £5.52 times 6.5 hours times 30 children times 180 days = £193,752.00 per year.
Wait a minute, there is something wrong here! .....There sure is, duh!


(Average teacher salary £21,000/180 days = £116.66 per day/30 students = £3.88/ 6.5 hours = £0.59 per hour per student.)

Very inexpensive babysitter, and they even educate your kids!
Crazy, eh!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 09:14:39 AM
30 children a day? Try 100-odd. Although I would query that average teacher's salary.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 20, 2008, 09:21:09 AM
Jeez Seany, relax man, its Friday  ;)

I was only envious at the holidays they get.  Over 2 months in the summer, not to mention Easter, Christmas, Halloween, Paddys Day, Bank Holidays and so on.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bingobus on June 20, 2008, 09:32:46 AM
Always wish at this time of year that I was a teacher but it some wears off after a training session with the Under 12's  ;D

Its a real perfect career for a GAA player or golf fanatic.

But bless some of them who have to take a career break for a year, travel the world and then walk back into their job!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 20, 2008, 10:02:32 AM
If only they would keep the schools open over the Christmas, Easter, Half Term and July/ August.
We would only be to happy to stay and teach but these decisions are taken out of our hands.



But bless some of them who have to take a career break for a year, travel the world and then walk back into their job!!

That's a disgrace.  Cannot believe anybody would get away with that  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: heineken_on_tap on June 20, 2008, 10:48:36 AM
I never really minded the holidays that teachers get. However what I always found wrong is that teachers are not assessed - a person who isn't able to teach/control a class can hold on to their job for years without a word been said to them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Bensars on June 20, 2008, 11:13:04 AM
I dont mind the holidays they get. They dont get paid that much anyway.

What bugs me, are those teachers that bleat on about how hard worked they are. The work they have to do at home etc. etc.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: EC Unique on June 20, 2008, 11:30:50 AM
Did you ever hear them on about the stress? Moaning about a job that they work less daily hours than most other professions, get much more holidays than most other proffessions and get over paid at that. Then take a wee while off because of stress ;) It is a joke. Some say 'but they educate our children'. Do they really?  I would suggest that education standards have went down hill steady this last 20 years and continue to do so :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thebandit on June 20, 2008, 11:54:31 AM
A young teacher I know was just starting out at the local school this year, they volunteered to do extra-curriculur stuff and added up that they were working 31 hours per week...... and their older colleagues were laughing at them for working so many hours  :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 20, 2008, 11:59:59 AM
Went down to a friends house last night to watch the Euro game.  Himself and his missus are both teachers.  She finishes work this Wednesday, and he is finshed on Friday.  Seriously, what a life?  The entire summer off. Jammy hoors

Its the same in every industry. Some teachers are lazy shites, others care about their vocation. I think most of them deserve the long lay-off.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Louth Exile on June 20, 2008, 12:12:11 PM
Its a real perfect career for a GAA player

You want to carefull with comments like that, it can be dangerous on here making reference to the fact that a GAA player is also a teacher
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hound on June 20, 2008, 01:20:55 PM
My young lad's teacher for next year is an alcoholic and gambler. All kinds of stories out there about him, mainly revolving around being in the bookies when supposed to teaching. Of course a lot of these could be made up or exaggerated, but seemingly the school can't fire him and I would not be at all surprised to see some of the more militant mothers trying to organise protests!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on June 20, 2008, 01:58:59 PM
T**chers.....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: loughshore lad on June 20, 2008, 02:04:28 PM
What way do the teachers salaries work, if they have higher degree qualifications like first and masters do they get better paid than their counterparts who have a 2:1, 2:2 etc?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: J70 on June 20, 2008, 02:06:51 PM
I admire them. You couldn't pay me any sum that would make trying to teach those little pricks worthwhile. Of course they should obviously be held accountable for job performance like anyone else though.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on June 20, 2008, 02:20:40 PM
I admire them. You couldn't pay me any sum that would make trying to teach those little pricks worthwhile. Of course they should obviously be held accountable for job performance like anyone else though.
Fecking hell.

They are held accountable. School Principals check rate my teacher everyday. Any teacher with a bad comment gets their chalk allowance cut.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 02:22:54 PM
However what I always found wrong is that teachers are not assessed

Really? How can I find this school?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lynchbhoy on June 20, 2008, 02:27:23 PM
ahhh teaching.
the profession (refuge) for the terminally lazy and socially inadequate!
 ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on June 20, 2008, 02:29:13 PM
Take Your Points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrujV0PG_7k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrujV0PG_7k)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 03:12:15 PM
ahhh teaching.
the profession (refuge) for the terminally lazy and socially inadequate!
 ;)

Yes, I think you're testament to that as a specimen result.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lynchbhoy on June 20, 2008, 03:15:58 PM
ahhh teaching.
the profession (refuge) for the terminally lazy and socially inadequate!
 ;)

Yes, I think you're testament to that as a specimen result.
naw, I'm too fond of working hard when necessary and making lots of money !
 ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on June 20, 2008, 03:20:18 PM
If the people moaning on here about teachers think its so easy - there nobody stopping you packing in your jobs and taking it up!  I worked in "difficult" school in England for a few years and believe me the teachers there need the holidays they get!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 03:21:09 PM
Money very important to you I've gathered over the years.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on June 20, 2008, 08:11:27 PM
Nor can I now. What have you done to it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on June 20, 2008, 08:27:39 PM
Working again.
Edit: This video is no longer available. Jesus, TYP, I was only winding you up. :D

Question for teachers - Have you ever kicked a pupil up the hole?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 08:40:44 PM
Honestly, the fear of even grabbing some whippersnapper by the arm is crippling due to the possible consequences. I was told that even pointing a pen at a pupil can constitute abuse and can be taken up. This is only going to get worse. We'll soon have lawyers in at the start of the year telling us what's permissible and what not.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gerry on June 20, 2008, 08:43:16 PM
bit of a wine up tread this i guess
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on June 20, 2008, 08:50:55 PM
Yes, the pen pointing thing comes from an incident where the teacher was pointing a pen at a pupil while asking him why he didn't have his homework done. The pupil replied, "I couldn't be fcuked". The teacher tripped over a school bag and the pen accidently went through the pupil's heart, killing him instantly.
Just one of those things.

What you should do is place a pin/tack on the pupil's seat. Blame it on a classroom prank by another pupil.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armaghtothebone on June 20, 2008, 09:14:38 PM
Did you ever hear them on about the stress? Moaning about a job that they work less daily hours than most other professions, get much more holidays than most other proffessions and get over paid at that. Then take a wee while off because of stress ;) It is a joke. Some say 'but they educate our children'. Do they really?  I would suggest that education standards have went down hill steady this last 20 years and continue to do so :-\ :-\

I would suggest that anyone who uses the phrase " education standards have went downhil" is 100% correct. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 09:20:48 PM
Yes, I blame the parents.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on June 20, 2008, 09:30:49 PM
I take it that's a no on the boot up the hole thing then. SS2's and TYP's silence is deafening though.

On to parents.
Have you ever had a parent crack up at you at a PT meeting?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 09:33:16 PM
More of wemen flasing flesh instead. Never done telling mothers I'm not prepared to do anything to get young Conor an A.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on June 20, 2008, 09:35:07 PM
That's good parenting, all the same. Fair play to the women.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on June 20, 2008, 09:41:01 PM
I take it that's a no on the boot up the hole thing then. SS2's and TYP's silence is deafening though.

On to parents.
Have you ever had a parent crack up at you at a PT meeting?

I tried the satire once with you and it went way over your head, so no, a boot up the hole is extremely inappropriate.

More of wemen flasing flesh instead. Never done telling mothers I'm not prepared to do anything to get young Conor an A.

In fairness young Conor never had a chance of getting an A. Sure didn't they have to keep moving him round didfferent schools.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 09:41:18 PM
TYP, what does the future hold for the profession - in your view? (serious question)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on June 20, 2008, 09:54:27 PM
Yes, TYP, I did get a boot up the hole at least once. It was for nothing and the teacher walked away (he has a funny walk, sort of a waddle) laughing. I thought about reporting him but I was afraid to point my finger at him.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on June 20, 2008, 10:06:12 PM
Honestly, the fear of even grabbing some whippersnapper by the arm is crippling due to the possible consequences. I was told that even pointing a pen at a pupil can constitute abuse and can be taken up. This is only going to get worse. We'll soon have lawyers in at the start of the year telling us what's permissible and what not.

Where were these rules when I was at school?

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just a few of what I had to dodge!

The black plimsoles hurt the worst, and they were my own.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ziggysego on June 20, 2008, 10:07:55 PM
When I was at primary school, one of the teachers wanted to pull me by my ear. I had my hearing-aid, so she chickened out.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: fred the red on June 20, 2008, 10:08:39 PM
i once seen a teacher drink a quarter bottle of whiskey at half 9 in the morn. you wouldnt get that these days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on June 20, 2008, 10:09:32 PM
i once seen a teacher drink a quarter bottle of whiskey at half 9 in the morn. you wouldnt get that these days.

Vodka - ours was lashing the vodka in to her. I spent the most of P7 taking the roll and ordering the dinners. Poor woman.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: fred the red on June 20, 2008, 10:11:11 PM
i once seen a teacher drink a quarter bottle of whiskey at half 9 in the morn. you wouldnt get that these days.

Vodka - ours was lashing the vodka in to her. I spent the most of P7 taking the roll and ordering the dinners. Poor woman.

Yea mine was a woman too, must have been a mid life crisis.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on June 20, 2008, 10:14:58 PM
No Sir,
you did however cut me very deep one day. I had moved on from that - until you asked.
Ill probably be at the therapist most of next week now ;)

Actually in fairness, I only got wacked once at the brothers. Fella looked like Gerry Adams. Smacked me right across the face, outside the old VPs office.

Must have hit him with a snowball or something.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on June 20, 2008, 10:18:04 PM
In P3, a lad in my class kept chewing the top of his pencil. The teacher cracked up one day, made him sit in the bin and eat his whole pencil. WTF?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 10:20:26 PM
Should be more of that.

Although eating a whole keyboard might be cruel.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Yes I Would on June 21, 2008, 12:12:07 AM
Old headmaster used to lift the boys by the locks till their feet were 6 inches off the ground. Funny as f**k!! Jeez there some tears spilled in primary school, but sure it done us no harm!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 21, 2008, 12:25:03 AM
Re working at home.I have worked in public and private sectors.I have never seen anyone work as hard as my partner, more hours outside work than in, so the summer hols are well earned.When in work-no problem.However, marking coursework, night after night plus weekend, takes up 40 hours per week. For £20K.
Nothing handy about that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: the green man on June 21, 2008, 12:25:49 AM
We had a particularly cruel man. He's from Swatragh, so that says it all. He would grab your arm and twist it behind your back, and jab you in the opensided ribs with a wooden ruler.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 21, 2008, 12:26:55 AM
Re working at home.I have worked in public and private sectors.I have never seen anyone work as hard as my partner, more hours outside work than in, so the summer hols are well earned.When in work-no problem.However, marking coursework, night after night plus weekend, takes up 40 hours per week. For £20K.
Nothing handy about that.

She'dneed to catch herself on. Probably a slippery pole climber.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 21, 2008, 12:35:02 AM
Anything but.No interest in promotion, never gone for it, never will.In times past,might have been called commitment.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 21, 2008, 01:04:42 AM
20k?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on June 21, 2008, 11:50:26 AM
Is there nothing else they could be at over the summer like
paint the school, polish the gym floor, scrubbing shitters and the like.
Ah but sure them wee soft girly hands would blister up at the mere sight of a days work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 21, 2008, 08:53:56 PM
The heading of this thread is why I decided to become a teacher (hopefully I will get a job...) Anyway, there are a fair few teachers from the North on here, and I was just wondering are there the equivalents of WSE's in schools in Northern Ireland? If so, what kind of assessment is required?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: john mcgill on June 22, 2008, 11:49:07 AM
WSE = Whole School Evaluation report?  We have ETI (Education and Training Inspectorate) reports in the North.  They come in  a number of guises.  They can last from three to five days.  The Inspectorate here are pretty mild compared to Ofsted in England.  However with the Every School A Good School paper, if its passed the Inspectors will get more teeth.  Already they are grading schools on a 1 to 6 scale.  Anything below 4 and serious pressure results.
Schools in the North currently have 73 different initiatives to implement.  They have become the spine of society as some other groups and individuals decline to exercise responsibility. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on June 22, 2008, 12:03:37 PM
I am one of the sad ones who remembers the time when teachers could kick you up the hole (answer in our house - "you must have deserved it"); punch you in the back of the head; make you wear a dunce's hat all day; grab you down by the hair; and generally humiliate 8, 9 and 10 year olds.. In our wee school a student came in to cover one week and had the habit if punching kids in the face if they could not recite the Soldier Song ... Funny though, I am a great believer in bad Karma and, as far as I know, four of the cnuts died in their late 40s / early 50s  ... goes round, comes around... :'( ..... l
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 25, 2008, 12:54:31 PM
Maybe the thread title should have red 'teachers used to get it handy, but now they don't!'

(Still, the holidays are immense  :P)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Bensars on June 25, 2008, 12:58:45 PM
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now they don't!
::)


Work from 9 to half 3 with half the year off . It must have been some job in the old days !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 25, 2008, 01:02:36 PM
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WSE = Whole School Evaluation report?  We have ETI (Education and Training Inspectorate) reports in the North.  They come in  a number of guises.  They can last from three to five days.  The Inspectorate here are pretty mild compared to Ofsted in England.  However with the Every School A Good School paper, if its passed the Inspectors will get more teeth.  Already they are grading schools on a 1 to 6 scale.  Anything below 4 and serious pressure results.
Schools in the North currently have 73 different initiatives to implement.  They have become the spine of society as some other groups and individuals decline to exercise responsibility.

I'd have a brave few family members in teaching and the thing I've never understood is why they have so much notice for inspections. Surely if the inspection is to have any real meaning, it should be on a random basis, i.e. they turn up unannounced and if things aren't up to scratch, tough. Is there still such notice for inspections?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 25, 2008, 01:04:48 PM
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now they don't!
::)


Work from 9 to half 3 with half the year off . It must have been some job in the old days !

Ha!  No, I was thinking more along the lines of the legal issues involved with giving a pupil an auld slap. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Bensars on June 25, 2008, 01:09:05 PM
But if you were a good enough teacher you shouldnt have to resort to violence against a child.

After all, you have all recieved training to deal with such incidents. Teachers want to be regarded as professionals after all ! ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 25, 2008, 01:16:35 PM
But if you were a good enough teacher you shouldnt have to resort to violence against a child.

After all, you have all recieved training to deal with such incidents. Teachers want to be regarded as professionals after all ! ;)

Tut tut Bensars, it's I before E except after C.  Kids, they just don't listen these days!! :D :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Bensars on June 25, 2008, 01:22:54 PM
 :D :D

That was only a teaser ! 

I bet you're the type that calls the manager in a restaurant to point out spelling mistakes on the specials board, while your colleague practices their  fresh air golf swing, another is annoying the barman with a photocopy of the picture round  from the previous nights quiz !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on June 25, 2008, 02:23:05 PM
But if you were a good enough teacher you shouldnt have to resort to violence against a child.

After all, you have all recieved training to deal with such incidents. Teachers want to be regarded as professionals after all ! ;)

Has to be the biggest myth of all time!

You cannot train someone how to keep discipline in a classroom. Some people have a certain personality that lends itself to pupils not wanting to cross them but basically teachers offer no real threat to children anymore if they can't inflict pain on them. Kids are wise to the idea now and any threat of detention or telling parents is laughed off and the behaviour keeps continuing.

I'm a qualified teacher myself and the last year of teaching practice is probably the hardest thing I've ever had to do... I'm not too keen to rush back into it to be honest as I don't think I have the personality to teach in a secondary school. I would be much happier as a primary teacher I think but then I made the wrong choice when doing my teaching practice so I just have to live with it!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Bensars on June 25, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
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but basically teachers offer no real threat to children anymore if they can't inflict pain on them

Scary from a childs perspective if thats a representive sample of the mentality within  the teaching profession !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: corn02 on June 25, 2008, 02:51:07 PM

I'd have a brave few family members in teaching and the thing I've never understood is why they have so much notice for inspections. Surely if the inspection is to have any real meaning, it should be on a random basis, i.e. they turn up unannounced and if things aren't up to scratch, tough. Is there still such notice for inspections?

Exactly. How can they really judge if they have pupils on best behaviour, nice projects set up for one day only etc.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on June 25, 2008, 03:45:00 PM
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but basically teachers offer no real threat to children anymore if they can't inflict pain on them

Scary from a childs perspective if thats a representive sample of the mentality within  the teaching profession !


OK maybe I could have phrased that better instead of sounding like a Headmaster from a school during the war times. I do not and never would condone the infliction of pain on a child. All I am saying is that no longer is a stern word, a detention or a grounding enough to maintain discipline. None of these things are a real punishment for a child and god help you if you don't have the parents on your side becasue you will be slaughtered.

I had real problems with a couple of children last year. One of their parents was a lovely woman and we arranged that the child not be allowed his laptop back until he had behaved sufficiently in my class for a week and he was on the same notice for the rest of the term that I could have an impact on something he cared about.

The flipside was another kid whose mother didn't care! She said it was my problem and I had to deal with it! What could I do? Give him a yellow card (that was the system of discipline used)? A lot of discipline policies mean nothing in School's and withough proper co-operation from all other teachers and parents you stand very little chance of controlling discipline!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 25, 2008, 06:49:29 PM
Corporal punishment will never return as that approach to discipline went out 20 yrs ago in all forms of authority, from teachers to parents.

Discipline is a hard one. The majority of fellas in a decent school, and most schools are, are eventually manageable and know why they are there. There'll always be 2-3% who are impossible and can only be bribed by the example you gave above. That's not teaching but it's easier to get a hair from a hungry tiger than get a pupil excluded for extreme behaviour, so you need to quell the minority for the sake of the majority somehow.

Don't let experiences like that put you off screenexile. There'll be days throughout your career when you'll pine for an easier office/site job/managerial (and I've worked in all) where you can exercise your strengths without having a 14-year old plus parent making your work an impossibility and your health feels like it's deteriorating at a chronic rate. However, gradually, the good days will envelope the bad'uns and if you feel you're cut out for it, it'll go for you.

On the other hand, if you find after 12 months you feel no different, get out. There are many who hate the profession they are in but see it through for 25-30 years - a waste of a life and no good for the pupils. Not many can become secondary teachers. Not many can become primary teachers. I taught primary for 14 months in the mid-90s and I left for the sake of my sanity. I now love my job although mainly because I deal with 16-18 year olds - much easier in my book. There are others who prefer 11-14. You'll find your niche eventually.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: john mcgill on June 25, 2008, 09:27:02 PM
Screenexile that's some good advice from O'Neill!

At one stage I was part of a team that went into schools that were in Special Measures.  I remember one school in West London where the children ruled the corridors and the teachers's car park had an 18 foot fence around it to stop arson. Lenny Henry played the role, in a TV show,  of a black headteacher who took the school over and turned it around.  I was a so called experienced teacher,  a senior teacher in an East London school, and the experience shell shocked me.  I was lucky in that I knew that I had some past achievements behind me and I talked to other teachers about what to do.  At times then I thought that I was the worst teacher in the world.  Talking made me realise that others have the same challenges.   

Screenexile I would advise you to talk to others.  I eventually got a grip on the students by being consistent, fair and getting to know them and gradually letting them get to know me.  Last year I told a QUB lecturer who was proclaiming the excellent subject knowledge of his student teachers that I was more interested in teachers who could relate to pupils and build relationships.  The subject knowledge can come later.

Screenexile manys the time I felt like jacking the job in especially on a Monday morning after having 9G but I have found that the best time to sum up your teaching is half way through the holidays.  If you still feel bad then its time to consider a career change.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ziggysego on June 25, 2008, 09:28:58 PM
320 teachers 'off sick each day'

Teachers in Northern Ireland took 58,107 sick days last year, averaging more than 320 teachers off each day.

The figures were revealed in an assembly written answer by Education Minister Caitriona Ruane to the DUP's Michelle McIlveen.

Ms McIlveen, a member of the assembly's education committee, said the figures were "astonishing".

The Department of Education said it was working closely with the employing authorities to reduce sickness levels.

Ms McIlveen said: "We are seeing a complete lack of direction from the department and this adds to the stress under which teachers have to work.

"Absences cause problems for both schools and pupils and we have the additional cost of supply teachers which comes out of the education budget."

Frank Bunting, northern secretary of the Irish National Teachers' Organisation, told the Belfast Telegraph the profession was facing a crisis.

"The quality of teaching and learning is extraordinary against a backdrop where teachers face interference, initiatives and ridiculous levels of bureaucracy - all in the name of accountability, allegedly.

"The miracle is that, day after day, teachers continue teaching and that sickness and absenteeism levels are not very much higher than they are," he said.

However, a Department of Education spokesman said: "The employing authorities have recently extended the provision of counselling services to all teachers via a 24-hour telephone helpline.

"The management side and teacher side of the Teacher Negotiating Committee have recently agreed a revised Management Attendance Procedure that has been issued to all schools."

Sourced BBCi: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7473907.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7473907.stm)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on June 25, 2008, 10:09:28 PM
I'm a qualified teacher myself and the last year of teaching practice is probably the hardest thing I've ever had to do... I'm not too keen to rush back into it to be honest as I don't think I have the personality to teach in a secondary school. I would be much happier as a primary teacher I think but then I made the wrong choice when doing my teaching practice so I just have to live with it!

Nothing in teaching is harder than being a student teacher. Remember how you treated them when you were at school. And you were at a convent school. No matter what you came across during your teaching practice (in inner schools in England IIRC), it is unlikely that you will come across anything nearly as difficult.

There is no real reason why you can't teach in a primary school. I know plenty of secondary trained teachers working in primary schools and vice-versa. You should apply to primary jobs anyway. It might help if you join the parish choir or play the organ at mass or other stuff like that. Or it might not. That could be a myth.

Still as ONeill says, give it a try. If it's for you, you'll know. If it's not, you won't spend the rest of your life wondering if you have made the correct career decision.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: nic on June 27, 2008, 06:15:25 PM
No we dont. End of.
While holidays are great, i have had to put up with so much cr*p over the past year from parents it has nearly drove me demented.
Plus i still have to go til the end of july cause when i graduated i couldnt get a goddamn job at home and that doesnt look like changing any time soon.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: redcard on July 01, 2008, 12:54:56 AM
My my July already. Not be long now 'till teachers are back at work  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: nic on July 01, 2008, 07:57:06 PM

again i say,some of us are still teaching till the end of july :( :(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on July 01, 2008, 08:42:36 PM
No we dont. End of.
While holidays are great, i have had to put up with so much cr*p over the past year from parents it has nearly drove me demented.
Plus i still have to go til the end of july cause when i graduated i couldnt get a goddamn job at home and that doesnt look like changing any time soon.

Although I don't doubt for a second that this is true do you not think that there's an awful lot of people in jobs that mean they have to listen to w**kers all day everyday (and not just their work colleagues)? 
I love the way teachers go on about the stress and what they listen to - most people in employment are the same but they aren't off half the year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: charlie stubbs on July 01, 2008, 08:54:55 PM
teachers deserve a good holiday i think.  it good to wind them up saying its handy.  it not 9-3 they have marking preparing lessons etc.  you think of the amount 2 that spoon feed you whwen you are there, handing work back constantly so that you can get a mark.  this is just the normal teacher nwever mind the ones that take the football teams etc who will be behind 2 or 3 days a week.  you compare that to uni lecturers who are in a couple of hours a day, can take holidays in the middle of the year and genuinely dontgive a f*** about u. 

the amount of shit they get also.  children get cheekier and cheekier every year.  you would need the patience of a saint to do that.  without teachers alot of people wouldnt be in the good jobs they are in know
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: nic on July 01, 2008, 09:00:25 PM

Thanx charlie- its good to be appreciated and to be honest, ive only been in the job for 4 years but alot of my friends have left already- disheartened with the system and you are right about the children-cheeky as.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: off the laces on July 02, 2008, 08:23:37 AM
teachers deserve a good holiday i think.  it good to wind them up saying its handy.  it not 9-3 they have marking preparing lessons etc.  you think of the amount 2 that spoon feed you whwen you are there, handing work back constantly so that you can get a mark.  this is just the normal teacher nwever mind the ones that take the football teams etc who will be behind 2 or 3 days a week.  you compare that to uni lecturers who are in a couple of hours a day, can take holidays in the middle of the year and genuinely dontgive a f*** about u. 

the amount of shit they get also.  children get cheekier and cheekier every year.  you would need the patience of a saint to do that.  without teachers alot of people wouldnt be in the good jobs they are in know
Charlie from your grammer and puncuation is see you need to go back to school. ;) :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hound on July 02, 2008, 01:26:03 PM

While holidays are great, i have had to put up with so much cr*p over the past year from parents it has nearly drove me demented.

Can you give examples of the stuff you have to deal with from parents that drives you demented?

I have great respect for teachers, the ones with a genuine interest in the children anyway. I think the balance between pay and holidays is about right, though like almost everyone else, I'm sure they'd like few bob more.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Maximus Marillius on July 02, 2008, 01:38:22 PM
this board has gone all quiet because the teachers are now off on holidays. :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on July 06, 2008, 10:49:45 PM
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The children's minister, Kevin Brennan, has called for secondary pupils under the age of 16 to be locked in school grounds at lunchtime to stop them from stocking up on sweets, fizzy drinks and takeaways.

Surely that's nothing new?
Title: GTCNI
Post by: FermGael on July 10, 2008, 09:01:12 AM
Got a nice shiny certificate from Mr Eddie McArdle and the General Teaching Council for Northern Ireland.
He has certified me as a teacher.  That's very nice of him.
The Unions are in full support of this.  Strange that when it seems to be a case of jobs for the boys.
Yet another independent quango being created by the government that will do sweet F.A but create even more paper work down
then line.  Oh yes I fully expect to be paying for this in about 5 years time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on July 10, 2008, 10:05:14 AM
TYP in all honesty what do you think of this scheme??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: redcard on August 01, 2008, 01:12:22 AM
AUGUST Can't believe it. soon be september
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ziggysego on August 01, 2008, 01:17:32 AM
A lot of teachers have said that to me over the pass week. Had to muster all my energy not to slap them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: redcard on August 01, 2008, 01:25:25 AM
A lot of teachers have said that to me over the pass week. Had to muster all my energy not to slap them.

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=3077.msg344927#new

Stick it on here Ziggy  :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gold on August 01, 2008, 11:32:07 AM
A lot of teachers have said that to me over the pass week. Had to muster all my energy not to slap them.

exactly ziggy

"oh we've only been off for 1 month and only have 1 months holidays left"

catch a f**king grip--i have one weeks holidays the week after next and cant wait--15 days to take per year, imagine gettin 60 SIXTY days off in the summer

i hate teachers and their easy lives
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 01, 2008, 07:56:56 PM
Only another 25 days left. Finding it hard to sleep thinking about it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on August 01, 2008, 08:31:51 PM
Gold where do you work that you only get 15 holidays a year?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on August 01, 2008, 08:38:50 PM
He's doing time in Hydebank.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 01, 2008, 09:02:44 PM
I can finally say I'm a teacher! Got offered a job today. ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 01, 2008, 09:31:44 PM
Sorry to hear that. What type of school?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: wherefromreferee? on August 07, 2008, 10:26:23 AM
My mate was complaining to me last night that he only has another 3 weeks left of his holidays. I got a fortnight in July.
I just don't think they (teachers) realise how lucky they are.  Off course, and i'm not afraid to admit it, I clearly jealous/envious.  Too late for a career change??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 07, 2008, 10:30:41 AM
Teachers should be made to do community service during the summer holidays.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on August 07, 2008, 05:20:29 PM
If somre of you think teaching is so handy why dont you just go and train to be one so you can have a 'handy' job like us with all those holidays throughout the year?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: the Deel Rover on August 07, 2008, 05:23:10 PM
I can finally say I'm a teacher! Got offered a job today. ;D

Fair Play Farrandeelin will you be teaching in Mayo ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FL/MAYO on August 07, 2008, 05:37:33 PM
I can finally say I'm a teacher! Got offered a job today. ;D

Fair Play Farrandeelin will you be teaching in Mayo ?

Will you be teaching in Jarlaths?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Niall Quinn on August 07, 2008, 07:57:58 PM
it improved cash flow for the Government.

On what basis I wonder?
Where Option 1 is the 10 monthly payments (no July & August) and Option 2 is the 12 even payments and using an annual discount rate of 3% (cost of governments capital anyone?!), the following can be said when contemplating an annual salary of 25k:

Evaluated at start of calendar year: Option 1 NPV of current year government cash payments 24,610
Evaluated at start of calendar year: Option 2 NPV of current year government cash payments 24,598
Evaluated on April 1 (fiscal / tax year): Option 1 NPV of current year government cash payments 24,574
Evaluated on April 1 (fiscal / tax year): Option 2 NPV of current year government cash payments 24,598
[all pre tax NPV]

Assuming the government tend to analyse CF on a fiscal year basis, I'd argue that they'd have been better off under the old scenario.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on October 13, 2008, 06:20:02 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7666231.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7666231.stm)

Handy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Handy on October 13, 2008, 06:43:39 PM
Yeah?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 13, 2008, 06:50:13 PM
Maybe TYP can shed some light on the difficulty in expelling pupils from school for dangerous offences. It seems that a child can kneecap you but survive, as appropriate measures weren't taken to develop the child's social skills.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on October 13, 2008, 06:53:34 PM
I wouldn't teach him either. I would also follow him home and give him a good shoeing. Then get his mobile number and torture him with prank calls.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 13, 2008, 07:02:00 PM
Why school governors and ELBs falling over themselves to keep these thugs in schools and classes where they obviously don't deserve to be. Won't someone think of the children?! No won't someone think of the teachers and classroom assistants having to manage these no marks on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: milltown row on October 13, 2008, 07:20:30 PM
i'm dealing with  these kids after they fail in school, i sometimes wonder what the fcuk goes on in their home life. the kids have enough brain power to get the bus. not enough left over to lift their feet when they walk. but if you have a go at them about their social skills they are quick to claim your picking on them.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 13, 2008, 08:04:26 PM
I blame the parents.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 13, 2008, 08:39:39 PM
So do you think they won't expel this little p***k because they're afraid they'll be out of pocket defending the decision? 

The country's fucked.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: milltown row on October 13, 2008, 08:46:47 PM
thats why i want the 11+ to stay, so my kids don't end up with these type of kids, sorry if i sound a snob, i ain't just my experience of these school does nothing to tell me that Comprehensive will be better
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Sandy Hill on October 13, 2008, 08:53:10 PM
thats why i want the 11+ to stay, so my kids don't end up with these type of kids, sorry if i sound a snob, i ain't just my experience of these school does nothing to tell me that Comprehensive will be better

Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 13, 2008, 08:58:26 PM
thats why i want the 11+ to stay, so my kids don't end up with these type of kids, sorry if i sound a snob, i ain't just my experience of these school does nothing to tell me that Comprehensive will be better
Yes, you are a snob.

btw what makes you think your kids wouldl pass the 11+?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on October 13, 2008, 09:17:08 PM
i'm dealing with  these kids after they fail in school, i sometimes wonder what the fcuk goes on in their home life. the kids have enough brain power to get the bus. not enough left over to lift their feet when they walk. but if you have a go at them about their social skills they are quick to claim your picking on them.

Very disappointing attitude from one who works with the under-privileged.

I thought your young chap went to a secondary school - certainly claimed to be at Bearnageeha when I met him - would he not be exposed to such underlings there?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on October 13, 2008, 09:24:07 PM
Why has nobody mentioned "socio economic" reasons for the kids being hoods? That usually justifies it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: milltown row on October 13, 2008, 10:10:01 PM
he did saffron sam and has done well with passing his grades, staying on and hopefully college.

 but my problem with these kids is that they bring the rest of the class down. you should know working where you do, teachers have no time to work with this type of kid. we aren't trained properly or given the time to do one on ones.

me a snob? class ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 13, 2008, 10:15:18 PM
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but my problem with these kids is that they bring the rest of the class down. you should know working where you do, teachers have no time to work with this type of kid. we aren't trained properly or given the time to do one on ones.
So address that issue rather than have a system in place which saves some kids from that but says f**k you to the rest.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: milltown row on October 13, 2008, 10:25:35 PM
have you seen the news today?  they cant get these kids out of the schools and the children that want to be taught are getting let down.

systems have been put in place, like loughview and other day centres that look after the kids that are eventually kicked out. do you  think this solves it?

the problem comes from home. it's the parents (i use that word loosesly)  that need education. there is no money in education to deal with problem kids.

all teachers will tell ya the same thing, THEY GRIND YA DOWN EVENTUALLY.  try teaching pintsofguinness, its an experience
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 13, 2008, 10:31:26 PM
Oh i agree with you on the parents.
But my point is you seemed to be happy enough to have a 11+ if your kids could avoid a class with these little pricks but is that the answer? What about the decent kids that would have to share a class with them?
In the same way people want the 11+ because it may mean their kid has a chance to go to a good school - f**k that I say - the answer is the make every school a good school!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on October 13, 2008, 10:48:28 PM
Teachers are a pain in the hole..For ever complaining about the hours they work  ::) and how stressfull their jobs are  ::)
As if they had the most important job known to man and no other occupation was stressful...  ::)
As for the hours they work  ::) Give me a f**king break
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: milltown row on October 13, 2008, 10:55:34 PM
no money no money no money POG, schools cant have small classes, nearly 30 in a class is what we have,

 if the lad has behaviour problems and learning difficulties then he needs to be in a class of 5 and no more. and working on the 3 r's. and a vocational route.  by the time i get him he should know how to read and work out basic maths. oh and manners would help but i suppose I'm asking for a miracle

so the answer is simple, get specialised teachers who are given the time to work on the whats needed to make them better adults
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 13, 2008, 11:06:22 PM
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no money no money no money POG, schools cant have small classes, nearly 30 in a class is what we have,
Course there is.  If they can find 40 billion to save a couple of banks they can find a few pound for education - it's just a matter of wanting to and a case of taking it off the wasters in society and putting it in to something worthwhile.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 31, 2008, 11:53:15 PM
Teachers are a pain in the hole..For ever complaining about the hours they work  ::) and how stressfull their jobs are  ::)
As if they had the most important job known to man and no other occupation was stressful...  ::)
As for the hours they work  ::) Give me a f**king break


Jeez, LL, you are having one hell of a bad hair day!
You might be writing too fast or else I’m reading too slow but you’ve lost me in places.
Maybe you’d give us some more detail.
When did you actually hear a teachers complaining about the hours they work?
I don’t recall that ever been said anywhere, any time. What the hell passes for education in Laois? They sure complain about how stressful their jobs are, as youseem to be saying about your own job right now!
Did you ever stop to think about the amount of work and missed dinners that go into Cumann na mBunscol? You can add in lots of other extracurricular activities where teachers don’t get overtime, travelling expenses or stay on after hours to give some kids extra tuition or every other thing they take on after hours. That’s all voluntary unpaid work and still lots of teachers take it on year after year.
You mean that educating the young and the vulnerable is not an important job? I doubt if you ever heard any teacher denying that other jobs are not stressful either.
Go on, admit it; your toolbox was nicked today by one of them @@##@ Traveller fellas you keep going on about, wasn’t it?   ;D
Title: Re: Ceol
Post by: ONeill on November 03, 2008, 07:21:03 PM
Times must be rough for a teacher to have to play music at a wedding in Tyrone on the school holidays.

Must say I admire this man, if he exists. He appears to have sacrificed his much-needed rest to doll himself up and travel a long way in order to soothe the ears of a distant community in the midst of the ravages of economic uncertainty.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 16, 2009, 09:47:44 AM
Teachers are a pain in the hole..For ever complaining about the hours they work  ::) and how stressfull their jobs are  ::)
As if they had the most important job known to man and no other occupation was stressful...  ::)
As for the hours they work  ::) Give me a f**king break


100% right and now in the midst of economic gloom, we have teachers going on industrial for more money. At a time when thousands of people are losing their jobs and homes, these work-shy heroes (180 x 5 hour days in a school year, jobs for life based on a 15 minute interview etc., most of whom wouldn't last 15 minutes in a real job) have the audacity to ask for a pay increase.

Shameful and just shows how out of touch with reality teachers really are.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: winsamsoon on January 16, 2009, 09:55:33 AM
Saffron i tell you what to do lad. Come into a school for a 5 or 6 week period and sit in classrooms and observe the job a teacher does.(now granted there are exceptions but isn't everyone different) I mean come into a really challenging school with pupils that have special needs and you will know at the end of the 6 week period why they are asking for more money and why they only work a certain amount of hours. It would be physically and sometimes emotionally draining. You are also forgetting the huge amounts of background work that must be done ie at home . So if you haven't experienced it then i would suggest you keep on the down low.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2009, 09:58:09 AM
Saffron i tell you what to do lad. Come into a school for a 5 or 6 week period and sit in classrooms and observe the job a teacher does.(now granted there are exceptions but isn't everyone different) I mean come into a really challenging school with pupils that have special needs and you will know at the end of the 6 week period why they are asking for more money and why they only work a certain amount of hours. It would be physically and sometimes emotionally draining. You are also forgetting the huge amounts of background work that must be done ie at home . So if you haven't experienced it then i would suggest you keep on the down low.

SS2 is a teacher i believe
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: winsamsoon on January 16, 2009, 09:59:40 AM
well then he must be being sarcastic or else he works in a complete handy school where the money is given for turning up.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2009, 10:01:52 AM
well then he must be being sarcastic or else he works in a complete handy school where the money is given for turning up.

A bit of both.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 16, 2009, 10:04:14 AM
Totally agree with SS2. Talk about teachers having their heads up their hole. Teachers are lucky to be in a relatively secure and well paid job during the current time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 16, 2009, 10:08:52 AM
Toally agree with SS2. Talk about teachers having their heads up their hole. Teachers are lucky to be in a relatively secure and well paid job during the current time.
Teachers are a pain in the hole..For ever complaining about the hours they work  ::) and how stressfull their jobs are  ::)
As if they had the most important job known to man and no other occupation was stressful...  ::)
As for the hours they work  ::) Give me a f**king break


100% right and now in the midst of economic gloom, we have teachers going on industrial for more money. At a time when thousands of people are losing their jobs and homes, these work-shy heroes (180 x 5 hour days in a school year, jobs for life based on a 15 minute interview etc., most of whom wouldn't last 15 minutes in a real job) have the audacity to ask for a pay increase.

Shameful and just shows how out of touch with reality teachers really are.


I.N.T.O propaganda alert
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 16, 2009, 10:19:09 AM
Saffron i tell you what to do lad. Come into a school for a 5 or 6 week period and sit in classrooms and observe the job a teacher does.(now granted there are exceptions but isn't everyone different) I mean come into a really challenging school with pupils that have special needs and you will know at the end of the 6 week period why they are asking for more money and why they only work a certain amount of hours. It would be physically and sometimes emotionally draining. You are also forgetting the huge amounts of background work that must be done ie at home . So if you haven't experienced it then i would suggest you keep on the down low.

I.N.T.O propaganda alert

Not in the INTO by the way, but could either of you, in the light of the current economic position, justify a) the pay rise and b) the industrial action?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 16, 2009, 10:26:21 AM
Saffron i tell you what to do lad. Come into a school for a 5 or 6 week period and sit in classrooms and observe the job a teacher does.(now granted there are exceptions but isn't everyone different) I mean come into a really challenging school with pupils that have special needs and you will know at the end of the 6 week period why they are asking for more money and why they only work a certain amount of hours. It would be physically and sometimes emotionally draining. You are also forgetting the huge amounts of background work that must be done ie at home . So if you haven't experienced it then i would suggest you keep on the down low.

I agree with winsamsoon.  I dated a girl who taught biology and between grading homework, grading labs and setting up labs she would put in 60-70 hours a week easily. Some teachers do have it handy just like anyone else but some work very hard just like anyone else. As for the school year with summers off, most teachers hit school themselves or workshops during that period.With regards to a job for life, it is wrong for that policy. A teacher should have a yearly review and pass a proficiency test in order to keep teaching.

I feel teachers, nurses, doctors, law enforcement and firefighters are way underpaid for their services they provide compared to an IT person, sales rep, financial trader or broker. Educating the next generation is one of the most important tasks that one can undertake.


Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 16, 2009, 11:16:33 AM


Not in the INTO by the way, but could either of you, in the light of the current economic position, justify a) the pay rise and b) the industrial action?



a) Can  jusity a pay rise because we are looking parity with England and Wales.

What i am more concerned with is the rest of the reasons for taking industrial action.
I think it is essential to have an incremental based pay scale for those teachers who just want to TEACH.
To be rewarded for being a "excellent" teacher would be alot more interesting to me than having to wait on HOD jobs, yearhead jobs etc.
Now how you qualify an "excellent"  teacher is open to debate but i think the principle behind it is worth it


b)  The unions have been going on about this for over 2 years.  It should have been sorted by now.
Sometimes you have to take a stand but with current economics the way they are, an all out strike would have went down like a lead balloon.
This was the only option they were left with.

Whether it has the desired affect or not, depends on the members
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delboy on January 16, 2009, 11:57:01 AM
As far as i know the industrial action is primarily to bring in the same conditions as exists in other parts of the UK, i don't see how anyone could have a problem with teachers here playing on a level playing field to their counterparts in other parts of the UK.
Some of the oponions on here seem to suggest though that people would be happy to see teachers getting a rough deal here simply because they are in jobs with a degree of permancy greater than their own which to be honest is a bit petty and childish.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 16, 2009, 12:08:52 PM
As far as i know the industrial action is primarily to bring in the same conditions as exists in other parts of the UK, i don't see how anyone could have a problem with teachers here playing on a level playing field to their counterparts in other parts of the UK.

This is still very much a grey area. With a different set-up in terms of holidays etc across the water there is no agreed consensus on the parity issue.

Fermgael's initial point about rewarding 'teachers' as opposed to those who receive financial recognition for noting down when a school bus is being used would be a minor bugbear of mine. But, unfortunately, it is next to impossible gathering conclusive evidence that one teacher's excellence excels another with subject, academic level of group and age differences.

teachers getting a rough deal

That's pushing it. Nurses get a rough deal.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 16, 2009, 12:18:58 PM

Fermgael's initial point about rewarding 'teachers' as opposed to those who receive financial recognition for noting down when a school bus is being used would be a minor bugbear of mine. But, unfortunately, it is next to impossible gathering conclusive evidence that one teacher's excellence excels another with subject, academic level of group and age differences.


That's pushing it. Nurses get a rough deal.

Agreed it is hard to define an "excellent" teacher but it is something that needs to be explored.

Nurses get an awful rough deal. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Lazer on January 16, 2009, 01:19:02 PM
As far as i know the industrial action is primarily to bring in the same conditions as exists in other parts of the UK, i don't see how anyone could have a problem with teachers here playing on a level playing field to their counterparts in other parts of the UK.
Some of the oponions on here seem to suggest though that people would be happy to see teachers getting a rough deal here simply because they are in jobs with a degree of permancy greater than their own which to be honest is a bit petty and childish.


How many other jobs here the same as the equivalent job in other parts of the UK, The pay N.Ireland is lower in general, originally because our cost of living was supposedly lower than that in the mainland UK, however, thats not the case anymor, its a case of supply and demand - market factors reault in the Northern Ireland being lower - If the teachers want better pay, they can go and move to the UK, the same as everyone else has to if the want the same level as pay in their cunterparts in England

I think its actually a good thing that the industrial action is taking place as people will have no sympathy for the teachers given the fact that the country is (or will be from 23 Jan) in a Recession. They are lucky to have permanent jobs and to top it off they have benefits frew other jobs have, such as a final salary pension scheme. Unlike everyone else, anyone teacher near to retirement age doesnt have to worry about how their pension scheme is performing, whereas anyone else near retirement age, their pension scheme they have saved into all their lives is probably almost worthless.

Teachers have benefits the rest of us don't, so maybe they should stop moaning, appreciate how lucky they have it in the current economic situation and get on with the job of teaching our kids instead if threatening industrial action!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delboy on January 16, 2009, 02:06:27 PM
As far as i know the industrial action is primarily to bring in the same conditions as exists in other parts of the UK, i don't see how anyone could have a problem with teachers here playing on a level playing field to their counterparts in other parts of the UK.
Some of the oponions on here seem to suggest though that people would be happy to see teachers getting a rough deal here simply because they are in jobs with a degree of permancy greater than their own which to be honest is a bit petty and childish.


How many other jobs here the same as the equivalent job in other parts of the UK, The pay N.Ireland is lower in general, originally because our cost of living was supposedly lower than that in the mainland UK, however, thats not the case anymor, its a case of supply and demand - market factors reault in the Northern Ireland being lower - If the teachers want better pay, they can go and move to the UK, the same as everyone else has to if the want the same level as pay in their cunterparts in England

I think its actually a good thing that the industrial action is taking place as people will have no sympathy for the teachers given the fact that the country is (or will be from 23 Jan) in a Recession. They are lucky to have permanent jobs and to top it off they have benefits frew other jobs have, such as a final salary pension scheme. Unlike everyone else, anyone teacher near to retirement age doesnt have to worry about how their pension scheme is performing, whereas anyone else near retirement age, their pension scheme they have saved into all their lives is probably almost worthless.

Teachers have benefits the rest of us don't, so maybe they should stop moaning, appreciate how lucky they have it in the current economic situation and get on with the job of teaching our kids instead if threatening industrial action!


Lower cost of living, pull the other one, excluding London NI is probably the most expensive region of the UK to live in, being on an island with all those associated additional transports costs means that we pay more for basic commidities than those in mainland UK (and always have done).

So teachers should sod off and move to england because they get paid more over there, personally i like nationally agreed paydeals when it comes to something as fundamentally important as education. Why should NI potentially lose out on the best homegrown teachers to the rest of the UK simply because the system here doesn't give them parity with their colleaugues in the rest of the UK.

As for the pensions teachers pay about 6 odd pecent gross into their pension and they receive 1/80 of their final salary per year of service, which as far as i can gather in line with most public workers be they teachers, firefighters or nurses.  
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on January 16, 2009, 02:09:04 PM
As far as i know the industrial action is primarily to bring in the same conditions as exists in other parts of the UK, i don't see how anyone could have a problem with teachers here playing on a level playing field to their counterparts in other parts of the UK.
Some of the oponions on here seem to suggest though that people would be happy to see teachers getting a rough deal here simply because they are in jobs with a degree of permancy greater than their own which to be honest is a bit petty and childish.


How many other jobs here the same as the equivalent job in other parts of the UK, The pay N.Ireland is lower in general, originally because our cost of living was supposedly lower than that in the mainland UK, however, thats not the case anymor, its a case of supply and demand - market factors reault in the Northern Ireland being lower - If the teachers want better pay, they can go and move to the UK, the same as everyone else has to if the want the same level as pay in their cunterparts in England

I think its actually a good thing that the industrial action is taking place as people will have no sympathy for the teachers given the fact that the country is (or will be from 23 Jan) in a Recession. They are lucky to have permanent jobs and to top it off they have benefits frew other jobs have, such as a final salary pension scheme. Unlike everyone else, anyone teacher near to retirement age doesnt have to worry about how their pension scheme is performing, whereas anyone else near retirement age, their pension scheme they have saved into all their lives is probably almost worthless.

Teachers have benefits the rest of us don't, so maybe they should stop moaning, appreciate how lucky they have it in the current economic situation and get on with the job of teaching our kids instead if threatening industrial action!


Lower cost of living, pull the other one, excluding London NI is probably the most expensive region of the UK to live in, being on an island with all those associated additional transports costs means that we pay more for basic commidities than those in mainland UK (and always have done).

So teachers should sod off and move to england because they get paid more over there, personally i like nationally agreed paydeals when it comes to something as fundamentally important as education. Why should NI potentially lose out on the best homegrown teachers to the rest of the UK simply because the system here doesn't give them parity with their colleaugues in the rest of the UK.

As for the pensions teachers pay about 6 odd pecent gross into their pension and they receive 1/80 of their final salary per year of service, which as far as i can gather in line with most public workers be they teachers, firefighters or nurses.  
I love the additional transport costs B/S it cost penny's to ship goods around the world and maybe a euro to truck from the UK if they don't land the good directly here .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delboy on January 16, 2009, 02:19:52 PM

Fermgael's initial point about rewarding 'teachers' as opposed to those who receive financial recognition for noting down when a school bus is being used would be a minor bugbear of mine. But, unfortunately, it is next to impossible gathering conclusive evidence that one teacher's excellence excels another with subject, academic level of group and age differences.


That's pushing it. Nurses get a rough deal.

Agreed it is hard to define an "excellent" teacher but it is something that needs to be explored.

Nurses get an awful rough deal. 

FYI the starting salary for adult nurses is between £20,225 and £24,800 a year with extra allowances paid to those living around London.

Teachers starting salary is £20,627 so no great difference in terms of monetary reward and in most cases the nurse will be on a better starting salary.
  
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delboy on January 16, 2009, 02:24:16 PM
As far as i know the industrial action is primarily to bring in the same conditions as exists in other parts of the UK, i don't see how anyone could have a problem with teachers here playing on a level playing field to their counterparts in other parts of the UK.
Some of the oponions on here seem to suggest though that people would be happy to see teachers getting a rough deal here simply because they are in jobs with a degree of permancy greater than their own which to be honest is a bit petty and childish.


How many other jobs here the same as the equivalent job in other parts of the UK, The pay N.Ireland is lower in general, originally because our cost of living was supposedly lower than that in the mainland UK, however, thats not the case anymor, its a case of supply and demand - market factors reault in the Northern Ireland being lower - If the teachers want better pay, they can go and move to the UK, the same as everyone else has to if the want the same level as pay in their cunterparts in England

I think its actually a good thing that the industrial action is taking place as people will have no sympathy for the teachers given the fact that the country is (or will be from 23 Jan) in a Recession. They are lucky to have permanent jobs and to top it off they have benefits frew other jobs have, such as a final salary pension scheme. Unlike everyone else, anyone teacher near to retirement age doesnt have to worry about how their pension scheme is performing, whereas anyone else near retirement age, their pension scheme they have saved into all their lives is probably almost worthless.

Teachers have benefits the rest of us don't, so maybe they should stop moaning, appreciate how lucky they have it in the current economic situation and get on with the job of teaching our kids instead if threatening industrial action!


Lower cost of living, pull the other one, excluding London NI is probably the most expensive region of the UK to live in, being on an island with all those associated additional transports costs means that we pay more for basic commidities than those in mainland UK (and always have done).

So teachers should sod off and move to england because they get paid more over there, personally i like nationally agreed paydeals when it comes to something as fundamentally important as education. Why should NI potentially lose out on the best homegrown teachers to the rest of the UK simply because the system here doesn't give them parity with their colleaugues in the rest of the UK.

As for the pensions teachers pay about 6 odd pecent gross into their pension and they receive 1/80 of their final salary per year of service, which as far as i can gather in line with most public workers be they teachers, firefighters or nurses.  
I love the additional transport costs B/S it cost penny's to ship goods around the world and maybe a euro to truck from the UK if they don't land the good directly here .

That is such a crass statement, pennys to ship goods around the world  :D :D you couldn't make that stuff up, ohh wait you just did  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: naka on January 16, 2009, 02:37:28 PM
Saffron i tell you what to do lad. Come into a school for a 5 or 6 week period and sit in classrooms and observe the job a teacher does.(now granted there are exceptions but isn't everyone different) I mean come into a really challenging school with pupils that have special needs and you will know at the end of the 6 week period why they are asking for more money and why they only work a certain amount of hours. It would be physically and sometimes emotionally draining. You are also forgetting the huge amounts of background work that must be done ie at home . So if you haven't experienced it then i would suggest you keep on the down low.
am fed up to the teethof the fact that crap teachers can stay in a job for life and are guaranteed a pension after it, most of my mates are losing their jobs left right and centre but hey no teachers are, also our pensions are fked but hey teachers are guaranteed theres, teachers have it sussed
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tonto on January 16, 2009, 02:41:06 PM
Saffron i tell you what to do lad. Come into a school for a 5 or 6 week period and sit in classrooms and observe the job a teacher does.(now granted there are exceptions but isn't everyone different) I mean come into a really challenging school with pupils that have special needs and you will know at the end of the 6 week period why they are asking for more money and why they only work a certain amount of hours. It would be physically and sometimes emotionally draining. You are also forgetting the huge amounts of background work that must be done ie at home . So if you haven't experienced it then i would suggest you keep on the down low.
am fed up to the teethof the fact that crap teachers can stay in a job for life and are guaranteed a pension after it, most of my mates are losing their jobs left right and centre but hey no teachers are, also our pensions are fked but hey teachers are guaranteed theres, teachers have it sussed
Would you prefer that teachers were also losing their jobs?

Hmm, as someone else said, it appears to be jealousy of teachers' job security which drives a few people's petty hatred of the profession.

IMO, teachers in NI do deserve equality with their counterparts in the rest of the UK; what's sauce for the goose... :-\
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 16, 2009, 02:55:08 PM
It's true.  there is a massive amount of job security in teaching.
I love my job and could not imagine myself doing anything else.
I did not get into it for the wages.
I could have done something else and made more money but i wanted a work life balance.



Hmm, as someone else said, it appears to be jealousy of teachers' job security which drives a few people's petty hatred of the profession.


Nail hit on the head.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on January 16, 2009, 05:11:09 PM

How many other jobs here the same as the equivalent job in other parts of the UK, The pay N.Ireland is lower in general, originally because our cost of living was supposedly lower than that in the mainland UK, however, thats not the case anymor, its a case of supply and demand - market factors reault in the Northern Ireland being lower - If the teachers want better pay, they can go and move to the UK, the same as everyone else has to if the want the same level as pay in their cunterparts in England

I think its actually a good thing that the industrial action is taking place as people will have no sympathy for the teachers given the fact that the country is (or will be from 23 Jan) in a Recession. They are lucky to have permanent jobs and to top it off they have benefits frew other jobs have, such as a final salary pension scheme. Unlike everyone else, anyone teacher near to retirement age doesnt have to worry about how their pension scheme is performing, whereas anyone else near retirement age, their pension scheme they have saved into all their lives is probably almost worthless.

Teachers have benefits the rest of us don't, so maybe they should stop moaning, appreciate how lucky they have it in the current economic situation and get on with the job of teaching our kids instead if threatening industrial action!


Im insulted.....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 20, 2009, 07:06:55 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7900259.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7900259.stm)

More evidence teachers dont live in the real world  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Donagh on February 20, 2009, 07:11:20 PM
Sure the lazy fecks have been off most of the week for 'mid-term' and it not even the end of February. Think I might become a teacher when I retire.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on February 20, 2009, 07:12:18 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7900259.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7900259.stm)

More evidence teachers dont live in the real world  ::)

10-f**king-% are they having a laugh!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 20, 2009, 07:23:02 PM
Just got notified last week that I won't have a job in September due to Batt O'Keeffe's cutbacks. And Deel Rover and FL MAYO I'm only after reading this thread again ::) (typical me not to read the bloody replies) and I'm teaching in Dublin...

And just a sidenote to all you moaners who say teaching is a handy life?? Why didn't you become a teacher? B'fhéidir nach raibh an Ghaeilge agaibh? Or maybe you couldn't handle the thought of having more than 20 children in front of you all day. Perhaps you just didn't like spending 'all year' in school when you were in school as a child yourselves.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 20, 2009, 07:33:16 PM
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And just a sidenote to all you moaners who say teaching is a handy life?? Why didn't you become a teacher?
I like to work for my money.

(sorry about the job)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on February 20, 2009, 07:33:55 PM
Just got notified last week that I won't have a job in September due to Batt O'Keeffe's cutbacks. And Deel Rover and FL MAYO I'm only after reading this thread again ::) (typical me not to read the bloody replies) and I'm teaching in Dublin...

And just a sidenote to all you moaners who say teaching is a handy life?? Why didn't you become a teacher? B'fhéidir nach raibh an Ghaeilge agaibh? Or maybe you couldn't handle the thought of having more than 20 children in front of you all day. Perhaps you just didn't like spending 'all year' in school when you were in school as a child yourselves.
I'd rather 20 kids than , 1,000's  of end users moaning when something goes balls up
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 16, 2009, 08:14:29 PM
He sounds like an ass, imagine getting fired from your job because you wouldnt put on a pair of decent trousers, what an knob.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 16, 2009, 08:40:49 PM
He sounds like an ass, imagine getting fired from your job because you wouldnt put on a pair of decent trousers, what an knob.
I agree pints. What a knob. I bet he feels like a quare mug now. If wants to go to work wearing trackies he can get a job in a leisure centre. Too cool for school eh.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 16, 2009, 10:16:18 PM
I'd imagine there is more to that story than meets the eye.
We are not being given the full facts here.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on March 16, 2009, 10:19:11 PM
He sounds like an ass, imagine getting fired from your job because you wouldnt put on a pair of decent trousers, what an knob.
I agree pints. What a knob. I bet he feels like a quare mug now. If wants to go to work wearing trackies he can get a job in a leisure centre. Too cool for school eh.

He probably just wanted to "connect" with the kids, wanted to show them he wasnt "stuffy".............
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on March 28, 2009, 08:32:04 AM
As the rest of Britain fights for its financial life, teachers demand a four-day week AND 10% pay rise

Teachers want their days in the classroom cut to four a week – with a 10 per cent pay rise.

The National Union of Teachers is planning a campaign for contractual rights to spend one day a week marking work and preparing lessons.

It also wants a 35-hour limit on the working week.

The claim is aimed at bringing teachers into line with their counterparts in Scotland.

But the demands, which may be backed up with strike action or working to rule, have brought an angry reaction at a time when unemployment is soaring and many workers face pay freezes.

Critics said teachers were largely protected from redundancy threats and ‘seem not to have noticed’ the deepening recession and spiralling national debt.

The change would be hugely costly, since extra teachers would have to be recruited to cover absences from classrooms.

Under a deal struck in 2003, teachers are already allowed to spend 10 per cent of their time on ‘non-contact’ duties away from their pupils, such as marking appropriate balance of contact and non-contact time.’

Now NUT leaders are poised to table a motion at their annual conference at Easter calling for this to to be doubled to 20 per cent, or the equivalent of a day a week.

The conference in Cardiff will also hear calls for a new ‘national contract’ guaranteeing the additional non-contact time, along with extra pay for all commitments above class teaching and rights to have a break every two hours.

Delegates will call for members to be balloted on strikes or other industrial action as part of the drive to win the contract.

The NUT has already written to the teachers’ pay body saying staff should receive a 10 per cent increase or £3,000, whichever is the greater, from September.

Acting general secretary Christine Blower said: ‘We have a policy of 20 per cent non-contact time for the duties that teachers have to do. We believe that would be an

She added: ‘It is a bit of a mystery to us why Scotland is able to work perfectly well with a 35-hour week.

'We would like the pleasant air of a 35-hour week creeping over Hadrian’s Wall. It does not mean we would stop working on the 61st minute after the 35th hour.’

Teachers in Scotland had their working hours capped at 35 a week in a 2001 agreement.

There was also a phased reduction in contact time with pupils to 22.5 hours a week.

But attempts to introduce similar arrangements south of the border were rejected by ministers whobranded them ‘unprofessional’.

Some teachers were also hostile, claiming the job could take more hours to carry out properly.

Miss Blower insisted that official studies of teachers’ diaries showed they were still doing ‘ludicrously’long hours – 50 or 60 a week.

Bryan Beckingham, a retired maths teacher from Oldham, will table a conference motion complaining about ‘completely unacceptable levels of workload’ and calling for a ‘national contract’ which would include the right not to cover for other teachers except
in genuine emergencies and the right not to attend staff meetings at school more than once a week.

Mark Wallace, spokesman for the Taxpayers’ Alliance, said: ‘The NUT seems not to have noticed that we are in the middle of a recession.

‘There’s no way taxpayers or school children can afford for teachers to take a day a week out of the classroom.

‘We are all in this crisis together, so it’s disappointing to see this union trying to squeeze more out of taxpayers.

‘We are always told teachers work on lesson plans in the long school holidays, so it would be difficult to defend a day a week out of the classroom as well.’

The Department for Children, Schools and Families said: ‘There has never been a better time to be a teacher, with record levels of pay, excellent training and career development and more support staff.’

    * Fewer primary school pupils are scoring top marks in their SATs, according to results to be issued next week.

They will trigger concernthat schools are failing to stretch the brightest pupils.

The figures are expected to show that four in ten children move to secondary school without a basic mastery of the three Rs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165332/As-rest-Britain-fights-financial-life-teachers-demand-day-week-AND-10-pay-rise.html?ITO=1490
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 28, 2009, 11:25:03 AM
Nice to see the teaching unions and teachers are in touch with the real world. Did it really come as a shock to teachers that they'd be expected to teach AND mark homework, set lessons etc!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rav67 on March 28, 2009, 11:48:35 AM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on March 28, 2009, 11:54:05 AM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.

Just some though. I spend most of the time drinking tea and telling the lads to read that bit again.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on March 28, 2009, 12:42:31 PM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.

Just some though. I spend most of the time drinking tea and telling the lads to read that bit again.

Next!  Whose turn is it to run to the shop to get the Irish News?

ME!  ME!  ME!  ME! ME! ME! ME!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.
So you work 8 hours a day? Non stop ,no talking no nothing?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 28, 2009, 01:38:44 PM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.
So you work 8 hours a day? Non stop ,no talking no nothing?
8 hours is probably pushing it a bit. Don't forget school finishes around 3.30 and includes morning break, lunchtime and free periods
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 01:43:43 PM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.
So you work 8 hours a day? Non stop ,no talking no nothing?
8 hours is probably pushing it a bit. Don't forget school finishes around 3.30 and includes morning break, lunchtime and free periods
And then there is the time when they step outside for a wee chat .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 02:57:10 PM
Feck it I'd quit,
seriously, sitting in there with the heater blowing around your ass,
drinking tea while looking out at the rain and sleet knowing that if it wasn't for this
cushy number I have I'd be out there soaked and freezing with the rest
has got to feel pretty good sometimes and make up for some of that extra stuff...No?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on March 28, 2009, 03:22:10 PM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.
So you work 8 hours a day? Non stop ,no talking no nothing?
8 hours is probably pushing it a bit. Don't forget school finishes around 3.30 and includes morning break, lunchtime and free periods


Revised Curriculum is doing my head in with the amount of preparation required even before you see a pupil.

Alot of this prepapation is done at home in the evenings
.

Ahh ya poor fella,maybe you should take a few extra weeks holidays for all the extra work you have to put in at home... 
Like none of the rest of us has to take work home with us  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 28, 2009, 04:02:47 PM
A lot of people do extra work without being paid for it Gaffer and they don't have 3 months holidays, the job security you lot do or the guaranteed pay rises - stop moaning.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rav67 on March 28, 2009, 05:05:34 PM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.
So you work 8 hours a day? Non stop ,no talking no nothing?

I'm not a teacher.  I go on here sometimes on my lunch break and can't believe how people with weekday jobs post so much during the day on here.  You'd be sacked for doing it where I work and rightly so.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 28, 2009, 05:09:47 PM
A lot of people do extra work without being paid for it Gaffer and they don't have 3 months holidays, the job security you lot do or the guaranteed pay rises - stop moaning.

Like who?
Well me and most people I know!

The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.
So you work 8 hours a day? Non stop ,no talking no nothing?

I'm not a teacher.  I go on here sometimes on my lunch break and can't believe how people with weekday jobs post so much during the day on here.  You'd be sacked for doing it where I work and rightly so.
Same here, I dont understnad the jobs people have on this board. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rav67 on March 28, 2009, 05:23:06 PM
Do you enjoy working and not getting paid for it?

It's not like you're paid by the hour.  You get a salary, in return for that salary it should be demanded that you will mark kids' work and prepare at home.  What I'm trying to say is you do get paid for work at home really as it is implied in the contract.  If you didn't do it you would be a pretty shit teacher.  I take work home as well when I have to but I don;t consider it to be unpaid work, if you don't want to be crap at your job you have to do it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 05:50:32 PM
Right then let me ask it another way having taken the above into account....how many of the teachers on here would swap with any
of the trades people for instance on the outside with their lack of job security, braving the cold day in day out, no sick days, few if any paid holidays,
and that's without even getting in to the summers off, no union sponsored pay raises most every year and on and on?
Do ye really have it that bad lads?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 28, 2009, 06:05:43 PM
Gaffer
Quote
What jobs are they?

A wide variety, do you seriously think teachers are the only profession/job where people have to work extra to keep on top of things?

Why is it that teachers are so out of touch with reality?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 06:07:02 PM
It's priced in to the contract Gaffer as mentioned above, when do you think these jobs get priced, materials and supplies get moved on and off
the job etc, it's a bit naive to think that teachers are the only ones that get to bring work home with them.
Now I'm not saying for a minute that teachers don't do a lot more work than what the average person thinks but my last post
kinda blows the argument wide open in that I'd hazard a guess that not one of you would give up what you have in comparison,
would I be right?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 28, 2009, 06:08:23 PM
Right then let me ask it another way having taken the above into account....how many of the teachers on here would swap with any
of the trades people for instance on the outside with their lack of job security, braving the cold day in day out, no sick days, few if any paid holidays,
and that's without even getting in to the summers off, no union sponsored pay raises most every year and on and on?
Do ye really have it that bad lads?

Do you know any tradesman who would work for nothing in the evenings after getting home from work?

Yes!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 06:23:48 PM
Quote
Na!

Tradsemen would soon want back to their former jobs once they realise teaching isn't the 'handy aul number'  alot of them think it is now.

Also, once they realise that they have to carry work home with them night after night  and that there is no such thing as overtime they ll soon change teir attitude.



Yes but you've actually reversed my argument ;) Where did I say any of us felt that we'd, a) be cut out for the job or b)even want the job
No my point was that if you think you have it so tough would you consider swapping your profession with us on the outside????
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 06:27:56 PM
It's priced in to the contract Gaffer as mentioned above, when do you think these jobs get priced, materials and supplies get moved on and off
the job etc, it's a bit naive to think that teachers are the only ones that get to bring work home with them.
Now I'm not saying for a minute that teachers don't do a lot more work than what the average person thinks but my last post
kinda blows the argument wide open in that I'd hazard a guess that not one of you would give up what you have in comparison,
would I be right?

But that work at home is part of your job when you are self employed. The time you put in is an investment . When you are pricing a job you are pricing labour which includes the preparation at home. You are not doing it for nothing.

Yes and with the investment the education board makes in offering you boy's the benefits package you receive adding of course the 6 or 8 weeks
paid holiday in the summer months, where do you get off in thinking you're not paid to mark a few sums at home :-\
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 28, 2009, 06:35:26 PM
You're wasting your breath TO, teachers are the only people who've to work extra hours for nothing to keep on top of things or take work home with them  ::)
While people are being made redundant, forced to take pay cuts etc they've got it the worst because they've to mark a few books at night.  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 06:38:17 PM
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You said SWAP which means that a tradesman will have to come in to my class while I m out on the building site.

Feck you'll do anything but answer the question...I'll try once more;
Considering how tough ye have it having to bring work home with you, would you personally consider leaving it to come out to the outside
to work your ass off and take a feed of bad manners with little to no benefits????...it shouldn't be that difficult to answer unless of course the answer
is a big fat fcuk no which I suspect it probably would be considering the difficulty you seem to have in answering a simple question, would then in
turn render your argument ...well a non argument!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 06:44:43 PM
The work at home is part of the job ,you knew what you where signing on for. Your like a fireman complaining he has to fight fires or the bunch of moaners who moan about living next door too Croker. Thats the way it's been for years it didn't suddenly become part of the job in recent times.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 06:57:27 PM
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I do work my hole off and take a feed of bad manners, TO. I'm a teacher !!!
If taking a bit of back cheek from your students is your general idea of bad manners then I think you'd be safer staying where you are!

Quote
Answer to your question is YES!!
I would love to come to the outside!!!!
So what's stopping you then if it's so bad where you are??

Quote
Now, whats that about a benefits package for teachers.
Paid 6 or 8 week holiday during the summer months,
Christmas break..Halloween break, mid term break/ Easter break, school trips.........................
Paid sick days,
predetermined annual or bi annual pay raises whether it's personally merited or not.
That's just off the top of my head... are there any I've left out?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 28, 2009, 07:04:36 PM
The work at home is part of the job ,you knew what you where signing on for. Your like a fireman complaining he has to fight fires or the bunch of moaners who moan about living next door too Croker. Thats the way it's been for years it didn't suddenly become part of the job in recent times.

The work at home is not part of the job.

The time you get paid for is in your contract and that time is worked in school during the day. 
You should manage your time a bit better.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 28, 2009, 07:05:59 PM
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Paid 6 or 8 week holiday during the summer months,
Christmas break..Halloween break, mid term break/ Easter break, school trips.........................
Paid sick days,
predetermined annual or bi annual pay raises whether it's personally merited or not.
That's just off the top of my head... are there any I've left out?

Job for life
backing of a union

Quote
If taking a bit of back cheek from your students is your general idea of bad manners then I think you'd be safer staying where you are!
Agree, at least gaffer you can punish someone giving you bad manners, try being in a job where youve to deal with members of public all day talking to you like a piece of shit and you have to stand there with a smile on your face and take it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thebigfella on March 28, 2009, 07:18:33 PM

Alright so your jobs harder than mine blah blah....... Most tradesmen I know are all on good benifits too, sure their all doing the double. So whats a few wee holidays to the teachers  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 07:21:45 PM
The work at home is part of the job ,you knew what you where signing on for. Your like a fireman complaining he has to fight fires or the bunch of moaners who moan about living next door too Croker. Thats the way it's been for years it didn't suddenly become part of the job in recent times.

The work at home is not part of the job.

The time you get paid for is in your contract and that time is worked in school during the day. 

When I was going to school teacher where talking about correcting at home, it is  an expected part of the job .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 07:23:08 PM
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I do work my hole off and take a feed of bad manners, TO. I'm a teacher !!!
If taking a bit of back cheek from your students is your general idea of bad manners then I think you'd be safer staying where you are!

Quote
Answer to your question is YES!!
I would love to come to the outside!!!!
So what's stopping you then if it's so bad where you are??

Quote
Now, whats that about a benefits package for teachers.
Paid 6 or 8 week holiday during the summer months,
Christmas break..Halloween break, mid term break/ Easter break, school trips.........................
Paid sick days,
predetermined annual or bi annual pay raises whether it's personally merited or not.
That's just off the top of my head... are there any I've left out?
Great pension.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 07:23:23 PM
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Half days for no real reason, Cheap dinners, 9  weeks during the summer months, cheap deals on car insurance, easy to get credit, free fruit, free internet to book holidays, hotels etc , choce of warm radiator to rest ma hole on when its cold, day off on full pay when there's an election, day off on full pay when theres a drop o'snow,   free stationery for personal use, free photocopying service for personal use, free school waterproof jacket when I have to nip out to the car to get something on a cold day.

I hate this job !!!!

Fantastic... so we can put this long running (non) argument to sleep then,
Should you not be Omagh by now...we'll need all the help we can get
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 28, 2009, 07:24:51 PM
Try doing the Dip lads. Gotta be the most stressful thing ever. :-\
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 28, 2009, 07:25:47 PM
Quote
I do work my hole off and take a feed of bad manners, TO. I'm a teacher !!!
If taking a bit of back cheek from your students is your general idea of bad manners then I think you'd be safer staying where you are!

Quote
Answer to your question is YES!!
I would love to come to the outside!!!!
So what's stopping you then if it's so bad where you are??

Quote
Now, whats that about a benefits package for teachers.
Paid 6 or 8 week holiday during the summer months,
Christmas break..Halloween break, mid term break/ Easter break, school trips.........................
Paid sick days,
predetermined annual or bi annual pay raises whether it's personally merited or not.
That's just off the top of my head... are there any I've left out?

Half days for no real reason, Cheap dinners, 9 weeks during the summer months, cheap deals on car insurance, easy to get credit, free fruit, free internet to book holidays, hotels etc , choce of warm radiator to rest ma hole on when its cold, day off on full pay when there's an election, day off on full pay when theres a drop o'snow,   free stationery for personal use, free photocopying service for personal use, free school waterproof jacket when I have to nip out to the car to get something on a cold day.

I hate this job !!!!

That's called theft elsewhere. What school did you say you worked in? ;) It's no wonder the ELBs can't stick to a budget when even the teachers are thieving from school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on March 29, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
Sure us infant teachers get it handiest of all.
The children play all day, hide and seek, sleepy lions etc.  ::)  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 29, 2009, 01:33:18 PM
Sure us infant teachers get it handiest of all.
The children play all day, hide and seek, sleepy lions etc.  ::)  ::)

Well...yeah!


TYP, for at least a hundred quid a day, I think they can mark a couple of books at home. 
You've said before the arent paid for their holidays but they are, no matter how you dress it up. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rav67 on March 29, 2009, 01:42:50 PM
With 52 weeks per year, there are 260 working days and workers, from 1st April 2009, are entitled to 5.6 weeks of holiday per year, i.e. 28 days per year.  Therefore, the maximum working time per year is 232 with many workers getting more than this with at least 12 more days of bank holidays, etc. bringing them to 220 days.

This means that teachers have 5 more weeks of holiday per year when compared with most workers. 

For 2009 the statutory entitlement is 26 days, with an extra 9 statutory days for bank holidays etc.  So that's an extra week's holidays for you that you've decline to mention!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on March 29, 2009, 03:01:30 PM
Teaching holidays, unpaid as stated above, are indeed but are entirely inflexible. Many jobs have the possibility of a long weekend at an off peak time when fares are cheap or taking holidays in June etc.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 29, 2009, 03:03:45 PM
Teaching holidays, unpaid as stated above, are indeed but are entirely inflexible. Many jobs have the possibility of a long weekend at an off peak time when fares are cheap or taking holidays in June etc.
Ha ha, god love them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 29, 2009, 03:11:08 PM
Teaching holidays, unpaid as stated above, are indeed but are entirely inflexible. Many jobs have the possibility of a long weekend at an off peak time when fares are cheap or taking holidays in June etc.
Given the choice I don't think many teachers would trade in their halloween, xmas and easter  holidays, their 7 to 9 weeks off in summer and the mid-term breaks for the chance of a few long weekends!

Also the high fares argument in nonsensical. They are traditionally high during school holidays so if terms were reshuffled the high fares would follow.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 29, 2009, 03:37:46 PM
Didn't notice the paid sick days in that otherwise informative post TYP,
so a typical school day consists of what 6 hours at most actually teaching?
would it be fair to say that those said sums could actually ( if ye really really
wanted to) be marked in the other 2 hrs that makes up a typical working day of 8 hrs
without the need to bring it home ?

As someone mentioned previously, time management comes in to play here,
like most things in life, ye can make it as hard or as easy as you like on yourself...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Oraisteach on March 29, 2009, 03:41:30 PM
So, TO, what exactly is holding you back from being a teacher?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 29, 2009, 03:43:15 PM
Brains would be a good place to start ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on March 29, 2009, 06:22:52 PM

Agree, at least gaffer you can punish someone giving you bad manners, try being in a job where youve to deal with members of public all day talking to you like a piece of shit and you have to stand there with a smile on your face and take it.


Well the parents drop/pick up their children every day, there is usually something they have to whinge about and everything is your fault so yes, we do stand there and take while smiling sweetly because their cherub 'doesn't do that at home'.




Sure us infant teachers get it handiest of all.
The children play all day, hide and seek, sleepy lions etc.  ::)  ::)
Well...yeah!


Now pints if you believe that, you really know sweet f.a.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on March 29, 2009, 06:29:25 PM
Boys and blades, tis the best job in the world. We're paid relatively well, have great holidays, short working day, would have to be really crap to be sacked, spend much of the day talking football/fashion, drink tea/coffee/water, go out on the piss paid for by a good principal, get all manner of equipment home for personal use, highly respected and deeply admired by the community who think we're working our balls off, relatively indispensable...it's no wonder the green eyed monsters are about!!

Oh, and we live til an average age of 93 such is the peaceful lifestyle.

Oh and the early finishes means we can do a bit of gardening, yoga, gym work, sleep, archery, canoeing etc before the average man/woman gets home from work. The evenings are then hard to fill such is the vastness of free time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on March 29, 2009, 07:31:45 PM
So the inspection went well then  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 29, 2009, 08:08:07 PM
Boys and blades, tis the best job in the world. We're paid relatively well, have great holidays, short working day, would have to be really crap to be sacked, spend much of the day talking football/fashion, drink tea/coffee/water, go out on the piss paid for by a good principal, get all manner of equipment home for personal use, highly respected and deeply admired by the community who think we're working our balls off, relatively indispensable...it's no wonder the green eyed monsters are about!!

Oh, and we live til an average age of 93 such is the peaceful lifestyle.

Oh and the early finishes means we can do a bit of gardening, yoga, gym work, sleep, archery, canoeing etc before the average man/woman gets home from work. The evenings are then hard to fill such is the vastness of free time.
Maybe in the 1950s O'Neill. In these times when almost anyone can go to university I'm afraid your profession is now devalued. At least in previous posts you have come out and said that teachers have little to moan about with the times that are in it. I don't think one person on here is jealous of teachers - I'm married to one so I know the craic!

The problem people have with teachers is that they and their  unions continually gripe and moan about their lot. If they were brain surgeons or nurses or down a mine for a shilling an hour they might expect more sympathy. As it stands most people wish they would just shut the f**k up! That includes you Mrs. B ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on March 29, 2009, 08:46:35 PM
Your wife's keeping it from you. TYP could tell you. At PT meetings we get parents practically kneeling in front of us in reverence. I find it embarrassing but you get used to it. Sometimes I implement my authority by simply waving the parents away if I don't like the look of them. On other occasions the suggestions made by mothers in order to get Johnny a higher grade makes me blush. If I walk into Raffo's or Landi's I walk to the front and no one bats an eyelid. It is a feeling of power that shouldn't be there but it becomes addictive. I've never paid for a pint in the locals either. I do hope it changes and we are treated like normal citizens as some abuse the power but until then I'll reap the benefits.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on March 29, 2009, 10:05:39 PM
Your wife's keeping it from you. TYP could tell you. At PT meetings we get parents practically kneeling in front of us in reverence. I find it embarrassing but you get used to it. Sometimes I implement my authority by simply waving the parents away if I don't like the look of them. On other occasions the suggestions made by mothers in order to get Johnny a higher grade makes me blush. If I walk into Raffo's or Landi's I walk to the front and no one bats an eyelid. It is a feeling of power that shouldn't be there but it becomes addictive. I've never paid for a pint in the locals either. I do hope it changes and we are treated like normal citizens as some abuse the power but until then I'll reap the benefits.

You should try McGlincheys across the road, O'Neill. 50% discount for the whole family. not just me !
I suggest the Hilltop.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on March 31, 2009, 10:00:15 PM
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090331/tuk-sexiest-teacher-trouble-over-thong-w-45dbed5.html
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: under the bar on March 31, 2009, 10:03:28 PM
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090331/tuk-sexiest-teacher-trouble-over-thong-w-45dbed5.html

All well and good giving us the story O'Neill but wheres the link to the pic in question?? :P
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on April 02, 2009, 09:58:06 PM

Finish school tomorrow at 2o'clock.
Off for two weeks.
I love my job.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 02, 2009, 10:52:10 PM

Finish school tomorrow at 2o'clock.
Off for two weeks.
I love my job.

I'm quitting at 12.30.
Should be wrote off by 3.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on April 02, 2009, 10:52:59 PM
Feckin hell lads, thats brilliant.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on April 02, 2009, 10:54:20 PM

Finish school tomorrow at 2o'clock.
Off for two weeks.
I love my job.

I'm quitting at 12.30.
Should be wrote off by 3.
The bus will be in Warrenpoint. Pity about your dog eating your permission slip.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 02, 2009, 10:56:29 PM
Sounds a bit gay to me.

I will pump my dough into the struggling Belfast wateriing houses.

Apparently there may be wemen in the Belfast route so SS2 not allowed.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on April 02, 2009, 11:00:30 PM
After making loads of inquiries about the newest hotspots in Belfast, in an attempt to out-do the Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua - Caislean Ruairi bus run - you're going to the Bot, aren't you?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 02, 2009, 11:01:57 PM
No, i've decided to take a route from the Stranmillis area to the Duke to a Rooster.

But probably, yes.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on April 02, 2009, 11:05:59 PM
Sounds like a yuppy run to me. Also, you being the only male on this run, people will think that you are either pimp or a homo. Generally, the latter.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on April 02, 2009, 11:07:28 PM
Wasnt there a recent report on the board of a man pimping out a 16 year old and paying her with chicken nuggets?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 02, 2009, 11:09:39 PM
Mmm, you see - you wouldn't get a woman gossiping like thon boy!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on April 02, 2009, 11:13:56 PM
Sure, you'll get a high heel in the back of the nut for telling some blade she has middling hair. Go on the bus run, f**k ye.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Main Street on April 02, 2009, 11:15:35 PM
I can testify to the wonderful life of the honourable state employed teacher.  I am married to one and the lifelong economic certainty is indeed greatly reassuring.
On the other hand there is a serious price to pay to be married to these specimens.
She can't cook, never listens, never takes responsibility, she thinks she is unsackable even in the face of blatant slovenly behaviour. She has the illusion that as long as she has some excuse then that makes it okay.
She has an infinite capacity to deflect blame to anyone and anything at anytime. Teachers are not the brightest sparks to be married to.
But I have managed to convince her of the evils of credit cards and with her almost total computer illiteracy I have also to manage the on-line accounting of her monthly fortune that drops into her bank account.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 02, 2009, 11:17:12 PM
Sure, you'll get a high heel in the back of the nut for telling some blade she has middling hair. Go on the bus run, f**k ye.

Sure the last one I was on they spent a couple of hours phoning the wemen to ask them what they were doing...and they threatened to drown a man from Derry.

Might just stay in and cut some palms.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on April 02, 2009, 11:20:28 PM
No phone reception in Rostrevor. Mrs SS2 will be doing the nut if she doesn't get a call every half hour. 4/7 that she drives down and takes him home by 4 o'clock.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on April 04, 2009, 12:03:00 AM
I thought i might have met o'neill in the bot tonight but i am just left with frank mitchell.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on April 06, 2009, 09:40:12 AM

 Afraid of 5yr olds!!! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7984994.stm)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on April 06, 2009, 11:52:14 AM
Sure, you'll get a high heel in the back of the nut for telling some blade she has middling hair. Go on the bus run, f**k ye.

He wasn't invited. We'd normally take him to spread the cost of hiring the bus, but we got a free one on Friday.

No phone reception in Rostrevor. Mrs SS2 will be doing the nut if she doesn't get a call every half hour. 4/7 that she drives down and takes him home by 4 o'clock.

Phone reception in Rostrevor ok. Rang her at 3pm, told her ONeill was already full in the Bot. She said "You should have invited him. Don't wake the children if you get home."
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 06, 2009, 12:03:07 PM
I thought i might have met o'neill in the bot tonight but i am just left with frank mitchell.

Fortunately didn't make it that far. I hope you weren't buying the valiant runners-up a drink!

Roost may be a splendid venue. Just don't go there before 9pm. The Kitchen is a reliable alternative.

Eventually rolled home at 8am. Didn't know we had a rolling pin in the house.

That's it til May.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 19, 2009, 11:15:21 PM
Thank fcuk I got the dip! ;D I can spend even MORE time on here now! ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 25, 2009, 01:50:04 PM
Can I just wish all the teachers a restful 7-8 weeks off. You've earned it :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 25, 2009, 03:56:15 PM
Eh? I've been off for a month already. Tearing up paper gets boring after a while so I just spend the time sunning. But as you say I deserve. Cocktail anyone? Only 2 months left though
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tyrone exile on June 25, 2009, 05:31:11 PM
Thought holidays didnt start to the end of june?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ludermor on June 25, 2009, 05:45:17 PM
Eh? I've been off for a month already. Tearing up paper gets boring after a while so I just spend the time sunning. But as you say I deserve. Cocktail anyone? Only 2 months left though
I thought you siad you were running!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 29, 2009, 06:18:14 PM
Seems to be an afterschool cross curricular meetings today for belfast schools in cutters warf
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 01, 2009, 05:01:14 PM
The secondary schools get off for three. Us poor oul primary have 2 months off now!!! ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Doogie Browser on July 09, 2009, 03:22:40 PM
'Pupil murder bid' teacher held

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8142428.stm

Summer holidays are too short in England, you don't get that over here.

All joking aside, it seems one of the wee lads is in a bad way, wtf  ???
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2009, 04:25:08 PM
I wonder do we get it handy... I saw in the Irish Independent today that there was a school in Dublin advertising one temporary job and more than 1200 applications had come in for it. Trouble is, is that I myself applied for a position in the same school!! :(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on July 16, 2009, 07:13:01 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin link=topic=8187.msg#msg date=
I wonder do we get it handy... I saw in the Irish Independent today that there was a school in Dublin advertising one temporary job and more than 1200 applications had come in for it. Trouble is, is that I myself applied for a position in the same school!! :(
Yeah it's just teachers who can't get work. Welcome to Ireland , 2009.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2009, 07:16:08 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin link=topic=8187.msg#msg date=
I wonder do we get it handy... I saw in the Irish Independent today that there was a school in Dublin advertising one temporary job and more than 1200 applications had come in for it. Trouble is, is that I myself applied for a position in the same school!! :(
Yeah it's just teachers who can't get work. Welcome to Ireland , 2009.

So at least you've admitted teachers aren't 'unemployable just because they're in there'.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on July 16, 2009, 10:02:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin link=topic=8187.msg#msg date=
I wonder do we get it handy... I saw in the Irish Independent today that there was a school in Dublin advertising one temporary job and more than 1200 applications had come in for it. Trouble is, is that I myself applied for a position in the same school!! :(
Yeah it's just teachers who can't get work. Welcome to Ireland , 2009.

So at least you've admitted teachers aren't 'unemployable just because they're in there'.

Sorry not following you
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: wherefromreferee? on July 30, 2009, 04:00:50 PM
Would I be right to assume that plenty of teachers will be heading to Croke Park for the Dublin Kerry game?

Lucky b**tards.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on July 30, 2009, 06:00:31 PM
Would I be right to assume that plenty of teachers will be heading to Croke Park for the Dublin Kerry game?

Lucky b**tards.

Not me.
:D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on July 30, 2009, 06:15:06 PM
Yip !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: milltown row on August 22, 2009, 05:48:09 PM
not long now ;D ;D

wifes back to work this monday for her 'Baker days'  she's dreading this year as she was doing three days for the past 8 years, with the kids now all in school till 3 its boring being off.

more money in the bank, happy days
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 22, 2009, 09:15:57 PM
not long now ;D ;D

wifes back to work this monday for her 'Baker days'  she's dreading this year as she was doing three days for the past 8 years, with the kids now all in school till 3 its boring being off.

more money in the bank, happy days
From an 18 hour week to a 30 hour week. How will she cope?!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on August 22, 2009, 09:16:58 PM
not long now ;D ;D

wifes back to work this monday for her 'Baker days'  she's dreading this year as she was doing three days for the past 8 years, with the kids now all in school till 3 its boring being off.

more money in the bank, happy days
From an 18 hour week to a 30 hour week. How will she cope?!

She got fed up with the postman.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: milltown row on August 23, 2009, 08:42:01 AM
cheeky bugger, but interesting seeing ours is a postlady :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Declan on November 24, 2009, 08:14:07 AM
Here for the holidays? Not when there are 28 other reasons to be a teacher
Teacher Kate Divilly in St Colmcille's Junior National School, Knocklyon,Dublin.


EDUCATION PROFILE: Short working days, long holidays – don’t teachers have the life? Recent controversy over the difference in hours, holidays and professional assessment between Irish teachers and those in the UK only serve to add fuel to that fire, writes GRÁINNE FALLER

But how many people actually know what teachers do on a daily basis?

“People see us working from nine until half two and that’s it,” says teacher Kate Divilly. “I suppose we don’t shout about it, but class time is only part of the job. The smooth running of a classroom can only be achieved through careful planning and preparation, which is done before and after school. It’s not formalised, but everyone does it.”

Divilly teaches second class in Knocklyon Junior National School. She’s 25 and in her fourth year of teaching. “I don’t have a permanent job yet. Everyone thinks that teaching is a job for life, but the school lost three teachers last year and I was next in the firing line. Luckily I held onto it, but next year it will be the same situation. Will I have a job at the end of the year?”

This year there are 28 children in Divilly’s class, with the usual mix of personalities and abilities.

They put me in good form,” she says. “I love coming in every day. It’s very intense, though. You never sit down during the day. Children don’t wait for you if you’re not prepared.”

Divilly’s working day begins at eight, when she arrives in school. “By the time I come in, the staff car park is full of cars. That’s my time to look at my plan for that day. I get all my materials, resources and lessons ready for them before they come in. I have children with special needs in my class, so I have to cater for them as well. It’s just important to have everything ready by the time they come in.”

After school there are corrections to be done and planning for the following day. Once a week, Divilly coaches GAA skills for an hour.

“Lots of teachers in the school give their time to teach music or choir or drama after school. You don’t get paid for it but it’s something that people just do. I generally leave school at around four or half-four. But the after- school work isn’t optional – if I have to leave early, at three or half-three on a particular day, the corrections and preparation come home with me.”

She says the profession has changed greatly in recent years. “I honestly think a lot of teachers’ critics are probably thinking of what they experienced when they were in school, Teaching today isn’t like it used to be. Nowadays you don’t really have a teacher standing at the blackboard dictating to a class. It’s a very different job.

“We don’t dictate the learning so much as facilitate it. It’s a much more hands-on approach. Teachers today deliver the curriculum but there’s also this hidden curriculum that basically consists of life skills. You want to instil a sense of self-belief in children, a love for learning.”

Upskilling is important: “I wanted to do a Master’s this year but I couldn’t afford it, so I’m saving up to do it next year.” Informal upskilling happens all the time, however. Teachers have to keep up to date with the needs of different children in their classes.

“In my career I’ve encountered children with various disabilities, hearing impairments, Down’s syndrome, autism, Asperger’s syndrome, dyslexia, all sorts of things. It’s a difficult task to adapt the curriculum if its required, but the rewards are huge when you see how they are developing and improving. The goal for one child could be something as simple as turn taking – but each child with special needs has an individual education plan with different goals and aims.”

Contrary to what some believe, Irish teachers are required to keep detailed written records. Lessons are planned in fortnightly blocks. Progress is reviewed monthly in cuntas miosuils, and overall aims are recorded in term and yearly plans.

“Any inspector can come to the school and ask to see these records,” says Divilly.

She meets with her colleagues once a week after school to discuss plans and preparation. The issue of formalising such work by extending the working hours of teachers arises in public debate on occasion.

I don’t know how much of a difference that would make,” she says. “Maybe it would make a difference for the tiny minority who underperform, in that it might force them to devote more time to preparation. But for the most part that work is taking place already.”

Divilly currently earns €43,042 before tax. “It’s fine, it’s not a huge amount, but it’s grand. My worry is that if we take more cuts, living in Dublin is going to be increasingly difficult. I’m really not complaining, not with the economy the way it is. Money never came into my decision to become a teacher, but I have to be able to live.”

When asked about today’s one-day strike, Divilly looks pained.

“I feel that teachers do a good job that sometimes goes unrecognised. Nobody wants to strike, but I’m a member of a union and I wouldn’t like us to be targeted over and over again. I’m willing to take a pay cut – I already have. I’d just like to see the cuts to be fair and across the board rather than aimed at one particular group.”

Some argue that if teachers get pay and increments, their performance should be subject to British-style monitoring. Divilly says that the British model is excessive. According to a recent article in these pages, teachers in the UK are assessed six times a year.

“People would be putting all of their energy into paperwork and assessment if that was the case,” she says. “But teachers shouldn’t be worried about being assessed every now and again if it’s for the good of the students. It would have to be fair and it would have to be beneficial for the students. I wouldn’t be opposed to the idea if that was the case.”

It’s a vocation, Divilly maintains. “You have to love it. It’s very full on. You’re catering for the learning of 28 different children every day. I have parent- teacher meetings coming up – after school, of course – so I’m preparing for them. There’s assessment, pupil record forms. You need to monitor their progress in the 12 subjects.”

The challenges of the job pale in comparison to the satisfaction Divilly derives from her work.

“I love coming in every day to 28 different personalities. It’s all about them. You couldn’t do this job if holidays were the reason you chose it. The love of teaching is what keeps you doing it.”
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Post by: ludermor on November 24, 2009, 09:02:48 AM
It’s a vocation, Divilly maintains. “You have to love it. It’s very full on. You’re catering for the learning of 28 different children every day. I have parent- teacher meetings coming up – after school, of course – so I’m preparing for them. There’s assessment, pupil record forms. You need to monitor their progress in the 12 subjects.”

The challenges of the job pale in comparison to the satisfaction Divilly derives from her work.

“I love coming in every day to 28 different personalities. It’s all about them. You couldn’t do this job if holidays were the reason you chose it. The love of teaching is what keeps you doing it.”
Such a pile of w**k! Most nurses i know hate when people say that about their own jobs, they are pretty happy to say it is a job. Of course you have to have a certain temperment to do it but that doesnt make a vocation.
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Post by: Gnevin on November 24, 2009, 09:11:47 AM


Divilly currently earns €43,042 before tax. “It’s fine, it’s not a huge amount, but it’s grand. My worry is that if we take more cuts, living in Dublin is going to be increasingly difficult. I’m really not complaining, not with the economy the way it is. Money never came into my decision to become a teacher, but I have to be able to live.”


25 ,4 years experience and on 43,042. Jasus how does she manage at all .  ::) ::)
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Post by: Declan on November 24, 2009, 09:17:32 AM
I take it Gnevin that you think then they are overpaid?
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Post by: Gnevin on November 24, 2009, 09:21:24 AM
I take it Gnevin that you think then they are overpaid?

No but she ain't on the breadline like she is making out.
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Post by: Declan on November 24, 2009, 09:23:47 AM
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No but she ain't on the breadline like she is making out.

Didn't think she was saying she was
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Post by: Billys Boots on November 24, 2009, 09:25:31 AM
I think the point is that while it is decent pay, it's not an easy job. 
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Post by: Gnevin on November 24, 2009, 09:29:27 AM
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No but she ain't on the breadline like she is making out.

Didn't think she was saying she was

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I wanted to do a Master’s this year but I couldn’t afford it, so I’m saving up to do it next year.
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It’s fine, it’s not a huge amount, but it’s grand. My worry is that if we take more cuts, living in Dublin is going to be increasingly difficult. I’m really not complaining, not with the economy the way it is. Money never came into my decision to become a teacher, but I have to be able to live.

Where does she spend her 3,500 a month before tax?
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Post by: scud on November 24, 2009, 09:36:20 AM
Enniskillen, if the traffic this morning was anything to go by! Are they having a picket line at Erneside?  ;)
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Post by: An Gaeilgoir on November 24, 2009, 10:59:23 AM
Talking to a taxi driver this morning, he reckons there are nearly 3 times more taxis out today due to public sector drivers in their taxis, as they are off today. Driving past several schools and a couple of fire stations this morning, only about 3 picketers on each gate. Where the hell is everyone else?
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Post by: Gnevin on November 24, 2009, 11:19:53 AM
On the radio today. Coppers and Flannerys where packed last night. Massive queues into Newry.
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Post by: Declan on November 24, 2009, 11:25:33 AM
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Coppers and Flannerys where packed last night

I know a lot of uni students who planned a big night last night on the basis they didn't have to go in today

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Massive queues into Newry

Inference being that all the public servants aredoing their Christmas shopping?
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Post by: Gnevin on November 24, 2009, 11:31:04 AM
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Coppers and Flannerys where packed last night

I know a lot of uni students who planned a big night last night on the basis they didn't have to go in today

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Massive queues into Newry

Inference being that all the public servants aredoing their Christmas shopping?

That's the inference that the people on the radio are making all right.
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Post by: Bensars on November 24, 2009, 11:34:11 AM
So thats another day to go shopping along with their  official "shopping day" quite a lot get as statutory leave.

Feckin Joke.
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Post by: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 02:12:40 PM
Anybody ever done an interview for a PGCE in England? I have one in Northumbria University next week and was looking for some tips/advice on the interview process.
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Post by: maco on March 02, 2010, 02:37:38 PM
I had one at Bolton Institute back in 2000. It was more of a group task than an interview if I remember correctly. We were put in groups of 4/5 and given a topic to discuss while they observed and noted your input (or lack of input). We then had 1 to 1 interviews, but they were not like the traditional interview where you answer questions in front of a panel. It was more like a friendly, get to know you chat rather than an interview. Was 10 years ago though, so I would imagine things would have changed since then.
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Post by: thebigfella on March 02, 2010, 03:20:26 PM
Anybody ever done an interview for a PGCE in England? I have one in Northumbria University next week and was looking for some tips/advice on the interview process.

If you get it, prepare yourself for what will probably be a year long session in Newcastle  :D
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Post by: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 03:30:36 PM
Anybody ever done an interview for a PGCE in England? I have one in Northumbria University next week and was looking for some tips/advice on the interview process.

If you get it, prepare yourself for what will probably be a year long session in Newcastle  :D

I probably wont get in to Newcastle (although i would love to) as i think they have nearly filled there quota the the 2010 intake but it will be good to get some interview practise. I will probably end up at one of the London uni's. Plus going by the sound of the ones who have done the pgce before it is flat out for the full 10months so you dont get that much time to f**k about like i would have done in belfast.

I had one at Bolton Institute back in 2000. It was more of a group task than an interview if I remember correctly. We were put in groups of 4/5 and given a topic to discuss while they observed and noted your input (or lack of input). We then had 1 to 1 interviews, but they were not like the traditional interview where you answer questions in front of a panel. It was more like a friendly, get to know you chat rather than an interview. Was 10 years ago though, so I would imagine things would have changed since then.

The Newcastle interview is a 2 min presentation, group interview, 1 to 1 interview and then maths and english test at the end of the day. It starts at 10.30 and doesnt finish until 4.30, thats a **** of a long day.
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Post by: Bensars on March 02, 2010, 03:34:26 PM
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Plus going by the sound of the ones who have done the pgce before it is flat out for the full 10months so you dont get that much time to f**k about like i would have done in belfast.


Dont worry jim, you'll have the rest of your life to take it handy !
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Post by: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 04:10:48 PM
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Plus going by the sound of the ones who have done the pgce before it is flat out for the full 10months so you dont get that much time to f**k about like i would have done in belfast.


Dont worry jim, you'll have the rest of your life to take it handy !

Haha hopefully

By the way it is for primary teaching.
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Post by: thebigfella on March 02, 2010, 04:21:16 PM
Anybody ever done an interview for a PGCE in England? I have one in Northumbria University next week and was looking for some tips/advice on the interview process.

If you get it, prepare yourself for what will probably be a year long session in Newcastle  :D

I probably wont get in to Newcastle (although i would love to) as i think they have nearly filled there quota the the 2010 intake but it will be good to get some interview practise. I will probably end up at one of the London uni's. Plus going by the sound of the ones who have done the pgce before it is flat out for the full 10months so you dont get that much time to f**k about like i would have done in belfast.

I had one at Bolton Institute back in 2000. It was more of a group task than an interview if I remember correctly. We were put in groups of 4/5 and given a topic to discuss while they observed and noted your input (or lack of input). We then had 1 to 1 interviews, but they were not like the traditional interview where you answer questions in front of a panel. It was more like a friendly, get to know you chat rather than an interview. Was 10 years ago though, so I would imagine things would have changed since then.

The Newcastle interview is a 2 min presentation, group interview, 1 to 1 interview and then maths and english test at the end of the day. It starts at 10.30 and doesnt finish until 4.30, thats a **** of a long day.

Northumbria Universtity is in Newcastle  ??? Where are you doing the interview?
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Post by: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 04:54:31 PM
Aye Northumbria uni is in Newcastle.
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Post by: maggie on March 02, 2010, 06:08:31 PM
Check the TES website-its free to sign up and theres loads of Q and A on it- bound to be one about PCGE interviews.

Good luck for it.
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Post by: leenie on March 02, 2010, 06:33:33 PM
yo maggie, checked out that sparklebox page... wud be good stuff for entry level...

didn't realise the creator was a peado-head.... shockin!
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Post by: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 09:30:22 PM
yo maggie, checked out that sparklebox page... wud be good stuff for entry level...

didn't realise the creator was a peado-head.... shockin!

One of the teachers in school was sayin that, shockin stuff. Apparently its a really good website aswell.
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Post by: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 09:31:50 PM
Check the TES website-its free to sign up and theres loads of Q and A on it- bound to be one about PCGE interviews.

Good luck for it.
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Thanks Maggie, im already on that site and have got some good info.
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Post by: thebigfella on March 02, 2010, 10:56:17 PM
Aye Northumbria uni is in Newcastle.

Aye you said you probably won't get into Newcastle. I thought you meant the the University Of Newcastle..... and not Northumbria, as they also offer the PGCE.
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Post by: Minder on April 29, 2010, 06:30:20 PM
'Pupil murder bid' teacher held

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8142428.stm

Summer holidays are too short in England, you don't get that over here.

All joking aside, it seems one of the wee lads is in a bad way, wtf  ???

Teacher cleared.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/mobile/england/nottinghamshire/8652243.stm
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Post by: FermGael on June 05, 2010, 02:24:08 PM
TYP i would say it will go whenever we are asked to pay for it ourselves.
It is only a matter of time before it is disbanded.

Can i also take this opportunity to wish my secondary colleagues in the South all the best on there 3 month summer holidays.
It's just a pity we only get the 2 months in the North.
Another benefit of a united Ireland
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Post by: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 02:27:27 PM
Aren t they having elections for it soon?
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Post by: john mcgill on June 05, 2010, 04:55:56 PM
TYP I hope Mr Hesketh doesn't lurk here.  Personally I wouldn't miss PMB, CASS and having been overwhelmed with indifference at the Hilton last week, DE and ETI!
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Post by: Tony Baloney on June 05, 2010, 05:44:36 PM
Aren t they having elections for it soon?

Currently underway.

I really resent the amount spent on GTCNI and other educational quangos when teachers and other employed in education are losing their jobs.  Too much money is being wasted centrally and not gettting to the chalk face.

Would we miss the RTU?
Schools aren't averse to wasting money either. The practice of employing retired teachers on an expensive daily rate is a scandal that needs addressed to keep newly qualified teachers from walking away. Having said that I would guess the supply of new teachers leaving the Ranch and Stran every year far outstrips the demand so new teachers have noone to blame bit themselves to an extent.
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Post by: Ulick on June 05, 2010, 06:00:05 PM
I think the DoE sets the quota on the teacher training places not the Colleges.
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Post by: Tony Baloney on June 05, 2010, 06:09:55 PM
I think the DoE sets the quota on the teacher training places not the Colleges.
Aye I think they cut the quota a couple of years ago. Regardless, if there is no natural wastage due to teachers actually retiring to the golf course then the supply will continue to outstrip demand. I know a fella is qualified 5 years and still hasn't a fulltime permanent post.
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Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 06:41:52 PM
For any teachers why are staff training days in schools always during term time and on a Friday?  Surely to God the 4 months odd they are off a year training could be penciled in here, there must be at least 2 / 3 every term.
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Post by: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 06:47:45 PM
For any teachers why are staff training days in schools always during term time and on a Friday?  Surely to God the 4 months odd they are off a year training could be penciled in here, there must be at least 2 / 3 every term.


Work on your holidays?
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Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 06:52:50 PM
For any teachers why are staff training days in schools always during term time and on a Friday?  Surely to God the 4 months odd they are off a year training could be penciled in here, there must be at least 2 / 3 every term.


Work on your holidays?

99% of them are full time and get paid to be on holiday
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Post by: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 07:09:20 PM
Holiday means you don't work !!!
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Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 07:16:35 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 07:52:58 PM
teachers usually start back on the last week of August for training days. as for the staff training and arranging child care, i'd say the majority of teachers are parents and have to arrange child care also!!!

for the non teachers who complain on this board, try teaching and then you'll understand that you need those 8 weeks off in the summer. if you didn't get those holidays you wouldn't get the teachers.

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Post by: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 08:18:11 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".

No they don't . I f you decide to keep your child off school for whatever reason, why would teachers get upset?
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 08:24:10 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".

No they don't . I f you decide to keep your child off school for whatever reason, why would teachers get upset?

Teachers personally don't care, but with the syllabus being so tight kids are being taught right up to the last day. i think you'd be pissed off if your child lot out on part of a topic for the sake of a cheaper holiday, that would say more about a parents selfishness
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Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 08:31:00 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".

No they don't . I f you decide to keep your child off school for whatever reason, why would teachers get upset?

Teachers personally don't care, but with the syllabus being so tight kids are being taught right up to the last day. i think you'd be pissed off if your child lot out on part of a topic for the sake of a cheaper holiday, that would say more about a parents selfishness

I personally can't afford family overseas holidays so it doesnt bother me in that respect, but it is a constant school policy complaint.  I work in I.T supporting customers - we all need training to keep up to date with new technologies and all do it on our own time or individually, I think there would be some outcry if the company said this Friday we are all training so support yourselves, and for the individual who stipulated try teaching, no I don't want to, if you do that is your choice.
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Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 08:36:05 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training? They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".
Imagine having to look after your own child or arrange alternative care, an outrage.

I think teachers have nothing to cry about but I do have sympathy for them as a lot of parents seem to think they're there to raise the children.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 08:40:57 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".

No they don't . I f you decide to keep your child off school for whatever reason, why would teachers get upset?

Teachers personally don't care, but with the syllabus being so tight kids are being taught right up to the last day. i think you'd be pissed off if your child lot out on part of a topic for the sake of a cheaper holiday, that would say more about a parents selfishness

I personally can't afford family overseas holidays so it doesnt bother me in that respect, but it is a constant school policy complaint.  I work in I.T supporting customers - we all need training to keep up to date with new technologies and all do it on our own time or individually, I think there would be some outcry if the company said this Friday we are all training so support yourselves, and for the individual who stipulated try teaching, no I don't want to, if you do that is your choice.

so your beef about the complaining teachers should be redirected to the Education Board really. are you annoyed that teachers get that that many holidays?
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Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 08:48:42 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".

No they don't . I f you decide to keep your child off school for whatever reason, why would teachers get upset?

Teachers personally don't care, but with the syllabus being so tight kids are being taught right up to the last day. i think you'd be pissed off if your child lot out on part of a topic for the sake of a cheaper holiday, that would say more about a parents selfishness

I personally can't afford family overseas holidays so it doesnt bother me in that respect, but it is a constant school policy complaint.  I work in I.T supporting customers - we all need training to keep up to date with new technologies and all do it on our own time or individually, I think there would be some outcry if the company said this Friday we are all training so support yourselves, and for the individual who stipulated try teaching, no I don't want to, if you do that is your choice.

so your beef about the complaining teachers should be redirected to the Education Board really. are you annoyed that teachers get that that many holidays?

No I am annoyed when my children bring home anote to say next Friday is staff training and school will be closed and I the annoyance to booking a days leave and working late Monday to Thursday to ensure my work is up to date.
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Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 08:52:09 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".

No they don't . I f you decide to keep your child off school for whatever reason, why would teachers get upset?

Teachers personally don't care, but with the syllabus being so tight kids are being taught right up to the last day. i think you'd be pissed off if your child lot out on part of a topic for the sake of a cheaper holiday, that would say more about a parents selfishness

I personally can't afford family overseas holidays so it doesnt bother me in that respect, but it is a constant school policy complaint.  I work in I.T supporting customers - we all need training to keep up to date with new technologies and all do it on our own time or individually, I think there would be some outcry if the company said this Friday we are all training so support yourselves, and for the individual who stipulated try teaching, no I don't want to, if you do that is your choice.

so your beef about the complaining teachers should be redirected to the Education Board really. are you annoyed that teachers get that that many holidays?

No I am annoyed when my children bring home anote to say next Friday is staff training and school will be closed and I the annoyance to booking a days leave and working late Monday to Thursday to ensure my work is up to date.
looking after your own children, an outrage
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Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 08:58:29 PM
I don't send my childern to school to be looked after I send them to be educated.  Out of school time I manage perfectly well raising my family thank you. Have you many kids yourself ...?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 09:00:40 PM
I don't send my childern to school to be looked after I send them to be educated.  Out of school time I manage perfectly well raising my family thank you. Have you many kids yourself ...?
doesnt sound like it if you're bitching about having to look after them for a few hours.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:03:56 PM
I was enquring on a teachers thread why staff training days are in term time.  I have no issues looking after my children at anytime the issue is the hassle of getting leave, which sometimes is difficult at short notice - you never answered my - have you many kids yourself ..?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:05:53 PM
Also as stipulated parents send their school to be educated, you are seriously undermining a highly skilled professional group by inferring they are or they are seen as childminders.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 09:07:14 PM
I was enquring on a teachers thread why staff training days are in term time.  I have no issues looking after my children at anytime the issue is the hassle of getting leave, which sometimes is difficult at short notice - you never answered my - have you many kids yourself ..?
no, we've none, we're in process of adopting at the minute, why?

I certainly don't think teachers are childminders or anything of the sort, a lot of parents however seem to think they are there to raise children.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:15:22 PM
I was enquring on a teachers thread why staff training days are in term time.  I have no issues looking after my children at anytime the issue is the hassle of getting leave, which sometimes is difficult at short notice - you never answered my - have you many kids yourself ..?
no, we've none, we're in process of adopting at the minute, why?

I certainly don't think teachers are childminders or anything of the sort, a lot of parents however seem to think they are there to raise children.

Good luck with that process, and if successful you will then know that planning is needed for all child care arrangements, you may just have a different attitude of parenting rather than the pure hatred of everything parental and child based that you have spouted over the years.

On the other point I am not one of those parents or know of anyone of that ilk and take exception to be categorized as one.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 09:24:33 PM
eggy. already said that teachers are parents also and need to arrange child minders also, so they also have the same problem you have.

and if you have a problem with that you shouldn't have had kids in the first place.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 09:30:30 PM
I was enquring on a teachers thread why staff training days are in term time.  I have no issues looking after my children at anytime the issue is the hassle of getting leave, which sometimes is difficult at short notice - you never answered my - have you many kids yourself ..?
no, we've none, we're in process of adopting at the minute, why?

I certainly don't think teachers are childminders or anything of the sort, a lot of parents however seem to think they are there to raise children.

Good luck with that process, and if successful you will then know that planning is needed for all child care arrangements, you may just have a different attitude of parenting rather than the pure hatred of everything parental and child based that you have spouted over the years.

On the other point I am not one of those parents or know of anyone of that ilk and take exception to be categorized as one.
I know exactly what is needed, thank you. You're the one complaining about looking after your own children
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:35:32 PM
eggy. already said that teachers are parents also and need to arrange child minders also, so they also have the same problem you have.

and if you have a problem with that you shouldn't have had kids in the first place.

Bit of an extreme view for asking why do teachers have staff training days during term time do you not think?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:37:42 PM
I was enquring on a teachers thread why staff training days are in term time.  I have no issues looking after my children at anytime the issue is the hassle of getting leave, which sometimes is difficult at short notice - you never answered my - have you many kids yourself ..?
no, we've none, we're in process of adopting at the minute, why?

I certainly don't think teachers are childminders or anything of the sort, a lot of parents however seem to think they are there to raise children.

Good luck with that process, and if successful you will then know that planning is needed for all child care arrangements, you may just have a different attitude of parenting rather than the pure hatred of everything parental and child based that you have spouted over the years.

On the other point I am not one of those parents or know of anyone of that ilk and take exception to be categorized as one.
I know exactly what is needed, thank you. You're the one complaining about looking after your own children

I would ask you to put up or shut up with that comment, I have stated my annoynance at short notice for staff training days and asked why they are in school time. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:43:15 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".

A teacher's contract is not as good as yours by the sounds of it.  Teachers are only employed for 195 days per year on a daily rate.  By law, those employed on at least a yearly contract must be paid over twelve months, no payment for holidays.  In the not too distant past, teachers were paid over ten months or the school year. They don't have the opportunity to work 235 days like you.  While you have 25 days annual leave you also have at least 12 statutory holidays per annum.

The regulation on term time holidays for families is determined not by teachers but the Dept of Education.  Term time holidays have a seriously detrimental effect on a child's education, almost as much as the summer holidays.

Sorry with pints complaining about parents as usual (at least he's not advocating whacking toddlers this time) I didn't get to say thanks for this answer.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 09:44:55 PM
no not really eggy, listen to yourself.

teachers have those training days at the drop of a hat cause ideas happen and schools want to employ those policies during the year. not the following year!!

to be honest your being very petty, the training days are to help YOUR kids develop.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 10:01:57 PM
I was enquring on a teachers thread why staff training days are in term time.  I have no issues looking after my children at anytime the issue is the hassle of getting leave, which sometimes is difficult at short notice - you never answered my - have you many kids yourself ..?
no, we've none, we're in process of adopting at the minute, why?

I certainly don't think teachers are childminders or anything of the sort, a lot of parents however seem to think they are there to raise children.

Good luck with that process, and if successful you will then know that planning is needed for all child care arrangements, you may just have a different attitude of parenting rather than the pure hatred of everything parental and child based that you have spouted over the years.

On the other point I am not one of those parents or know of anyone of that ilk and take exception to be categorized as one.
I know exactly what is needed, thank you. You're the one complaining about looking after your own children

I would ask you to put up or shut up with that comment, I have stated my annoynance at short notice for staff training days and asked why they are in school time.


training days are an integral part of the  school year
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 10:03:27 PM
For any teachers why are staff training days in schools always during term time and on a Friday?  Surely to God the 4 months odd they are off a year training could be penciled in here, there must be at least 2 / 3 every term.

no not really eggy, listen to yourself.

teachers have those training days at the drop of a hat cause ideas happen and schools want to employ those policies during the year. not the following year!!

to be honest your being very petty, the training days are to help YOUR kids develop.

That is my original statement - take pints anti parenting posts out and my replies to his anti parenting posts - what am i being petty about?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: sammymaguire on June 05, 2010, 10:04:14 PM
teachers do get it handy, thats why so many women get into it  :o  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 10:09:47 PM
For any teachers why are staff training days in schools always during term time and on a Friday?  Surely to God the 4 months odd they are off a year training could be penciled in here, there must be at least 2 / 3 every term.

no not really eggy, listen to yourself.

teachers have those training days at the drop of a hat cause ideas happen and schools want to employ those policies during the year. not the following year!!

to be honest your being very petty, the training days are to help YOUR kids develop.

That is my original statement - take pints anti parenting posts out and my replies to his anti parenting posts - what am i being petty about?
excuse me, you're the one complaining about looking after your children
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 10:24:05 PM
For any teachers why are staff training days in schools always during term time and on a Friday?  Surely to God the 4 months odd they are off a year training could be penciled in here, there must be at least 2 / 3 every term.

no not really eggy, listen to yourself.

teachers have those training days at the drop of a hat cause ideas happen and schools want to employ those policies during the year. not the following year!!

to be honest your being very petty, the training days are to help YOUR kids develop.

That is my original statement - take pints anti parenting posts out and my replies to his anti parenting posts - what am i being petty about?
excuse me, you're the one complaining about looking after your children

Again put up or shut up with this comment.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 10:24:44 PM
I dont know what you mean by that
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 10:26:03 PM
Point out where I complained about looking after my childern. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 05, 2010, 10:31:31 PM
Starting a PGCE Primary in September, anyone done the Catholic Teachers certificate before?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 10:44:00 PM
Point out where I complained about looking after my childern.

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No I am annoyed when my children bring home anote to say next Friday is staff training and school will be closed and I the annoyance to booking a days leave and working late Monday to Thursday to ensure my work is up to date.
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I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 10:57:20 PM
Point out where I complained about looking after my childern.

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No I am annoyed when my children bring home anote to say next Friday is staff training and school will be closed and I the annoyance to booking a days leave and working late Monday to Thursday to ensure my work is up to date.
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I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".

Again put up or shut up - where have i complained about looking after my children, I have mentioned the annoyance of arranging child care at short notice.  You should be more concerned about controlling your seemingly natural instinct of whacking toddlers!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 10:58:53 PM
I've already pointed it out to you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 11:08:14 PM
I've already pointed it out to you.

Where?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 11:09:31 PM
Yawn.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 11:17:12 PM
You prove time and time again exactly what you are all about! MOD3 now quickly for the reporting.  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 11:20:27 PM
I've no idea what you're talking what, I think it's sad people complain about looking after their own children.
Almost as sad as grown men calling people they've never met and don't know "fat"  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 11:24:47 PM
I've no idea what you're talking what, I think it's sad people complain about looking after their own children.
Almost as sad as grown men calling people they've never met and don't know "fat"   ::)

Never complained about looking after my childern - No idea what you are talking about about the bold point - may I ask do you think it's sad/pathetic for a grown man to avocate whacking toddlers, slag off everything parental or child based - and then enter the adoption process - you couldn't make it up!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 11:27:35 PM
I've no idea what you're talking what, I think it's sad people complain about looking after their own children.
Almost as sad as grown men calling people they've never met and don't know "fat"   ::)

Never complained about looking after my childern - No idea what you are talking about about the bold point - may I ask do you think it's sad/pathetic for a grown man to avocate whacking toddlers, slag off everything parental or child based - and then enter the adoption process - you couldn't make it up!!!!!!!!
I would have thought you'd remember your own posts on the grinds my gears thread.
I do think there's no harm in slapping children for discipline, within reason of course but I've never slagged off everything parental or child based.
Now, I'm done with you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 11:30:51 PM
I've no idea what you're talking what, I think it's sad people complain about looking after their own children.
Almost as sad as grown men calling people they've never met and don't know "fat"   ::)

Never complained about looking after my childern - No idea what you are talking about about the bold point - may I ask do you think it's sad/pathetic for a grown man to avocate whacking toddlers, slag off everything parental or child based - and then enter the adoption process - you couldn't make it up!!!!!!!!
I would have thought you'd remember your own posts on the grinds my gears thread.
I do think there's no harm in slapping children for discipline, within reason of course but I've never slagged off everything parental or child based.
Now, I'm done with you.

Quotes please.

I think whacking was your phrase - grown men whacking toddlers usually have an adverse effect on the child, but as long as they are removed from your space so you can enjoy a quite life eh!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 05, 2010, 11:51:00 PM
In NI we have our own version which is funded by each teacher paying £44 per annum but being NI, the £44 is repaid by the Dept of Education.  Not sure how long this would continue.


Was there a call for this to be introduced? It seemed to be something that emerged from the dark.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 06, 2010, 09:45:44 AM
Starting a PGCE Primary in September, anyone done the Catholic Teachers certificate before?

http://www.onlineccms.com/teachers/religious-certificate-availability/ (http://www.onlineccms.com/teachers/religious-certificate-availability/)

Very helpful to get in touch with someone who has taken the course. ;)

Life Light course from the Derry Diocese is the most popular course taken by most PGCE people needing the certificate.
Is this mandatory to teach in ccms schools? Does it prevent non-Catholics teaching in ccms schools or can anyone feasibly do the cert?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 06, 2010, 09:51:16 AM
Starting a PGCE Primary in September, anyone done the Catholic Teachers certificate before?

http://www.onlineccms.com/teachers/religious-certificate-availability/ (http://www.onlineccms.com/teachers/religious-certificate-availability/)

Very helpful to get in touch with someone who has taken the course. ;)

Life Light course from the Derry Diocese is the most popular course taken by most PGCE people needing the certificate.

Ive applied for the Life Light course, going to try get most of it done before i start the pgce in Sept. Has anyone on here taken the course?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 06, 2010, 10:12:27 AM
Starting a PGCE Primary in September, anyone done the Catholic Teachers certificate before?

http://www.onlineccms.com/teachers/religious-certificate-availability/ (http://www.onlineccms.com/teachers/religious-certificate-availability/)

Very helpful to get in touch with someone who has taken the course. ;)

Life Light course from the Derry Diocese is the most popular course taken by most PGCE people needing the certificate.
Is this mandatory to teach in ccms schools? Does it prevent non-Catholics teaching in ccms schools or can anyone feasibly do the cert?

Nope.  Have been teaching in a CCMS school for the last number of years and do not have it.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 06, 2010, 03:24:16 PM
If you study in England then you have to do the certificate seperately i think.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 06, 2010, 08:50:51 PM
If you study in England then you have to do the certificate seperately i think.

Are you going for primary or secondary, Jim?

Primary. Tough year ahead of me!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 07, 2010, 08:31:21 PM
It will be tough in England, expect one good school and one inner city but it will be great training, better than you would have in familiar situations at home.

You will need the RE cert to get a job back home.

Applied for it last week so hope to get the RE cert before i start the PGCE in September. Going with that life light crowd that the lads were talking about earlier. Pain in the ass having to do it over the summer but suppose better doing it now than when i'm in the middle of the PGCE.

Where did you do your PGCE TYP?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 07, 2010, 08:38:39 PM
It will be tough in England, expect one good school and one inner city but it will be great training, better than you would have in familiar situations at home.

You will need the RE cert to get a job back home.

Applied for it last week so hope to get the RE cert before i start the PGCE in September. Going with that life light crowd that the lads were talking about earlier. Pain in the ass having to do it over the summer but suppose better doing it now than when i'm in the middle of the PGCE.

Where did you do your PGCE TYP?
I don't know if they had such a thing back then!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 07, 2010, 10:54:13 PM
  I had heard that teacher's got it handy

You're slipping, old man. The same thing happened SaffronSam a couple of years ago. It was hard to watch it, in all its horrible glory on this board. For his own good they moved him across to the 'timetable dept' at the school before it became embarrassing for all concerned.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 07, 2010, 11:35:37 PM
There are good teachers.
There are crap teachers.

There are hard working teachers.
There are lazy teachers.

There are teachers who are capable of management.
There are teachers who are not capable of management, but think they are.

I hope everyone is lucky enough to get the first category.
Title: Uisce Beatha
Post by: drici on June 08, 2010, 12:07:35 AM
  I had heard that teacher's got it handy

You're slipping, old man. The same thing happened SaffronSam a couple of years ago. It was hard to watch it, in all its horrible glory on this board. For his own good they moved him across to the 'timetable dept' at the school before it became embarrassing for all concerned.

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Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 29, 2010, 09:26:25 PM
So whats the plan, TYP?

Get the handicap down, or 6 weeks on a campsite in the South of France?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 29, 2010, 11:00:23 PM
So do teachers get paid during the summer as they do the other 10 months?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2010, 11:13:21 PM
full pay, unreal
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 29, 2010, 11:28:41 PM
Teachers might prefer to call it a Retainer.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on June 29, 2010, 11:43:44 PM
Teachers are paid for 10 months only but pay into a 'keep us going over the summer' fund.

Knowing nothing about how they are paid, I would imagine that they are on an annual salary which is paid over 12 months, not 10 months, which is not exactly the same as being paid for doing feck all for 2 months.

The same way that if you were to receive £30,000 on the 20th March each year and didn't receive a penny at any other time of the year, you couldn't say "I work all year and only get paid for one day".

Although, I know fcuk all.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on June 30, 2010, 12:30:00 PM
Happy holidays is right.
Gonna enjoy my lie in tomorrow.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2010, 12:48:11 PM
Seen as I was part-time last school year, I won't be receiving a cent. Unless I go on the dole, which (once again) I won't receive any money.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 30, 2010, 02:11:02 PM
and that's that.  enjoy the break
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 30, 2010, 02:19:28 PM
My mates are just past 30 and 2 years ago in the pub we figured out if they worked 12 months on their pay scales (before all the add ons) they would be on about €60,000 a year. They thought this was very funny and the big grins on them. But now that the recession is in town these Unionised anchors on the Irish economy are no longer laughing about it, trying to play the beal bocht  >:( I make sure to remind them, nothing more fun than embarrasing a group of people who can never be sacked and never have to meet a performance review where their job is on the line or their level of salary and are ever so smug about it. They are most certainly among the higher income earners in this country but are in denial because they compare themselves to the CEO of AIB or Bono.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Geoff Tipps on June 30, 2010, 03:12:16 PM
My mates are just past 30 and 2 years ago in the pub we figured out if they worked 12 months on their pay scales (before all the add ons) they would be on about €60,000 a year. They thought this was very funny and the big grins on them. But now that the recession is in town these Unionised anchors on the Irish economy are no longer laughing about it, trying to play the beal bocht  >:( I make sure to remind them, nothing more fun than embarrasing a group of people who can never be sacked and never have to meet a performance review where their job is on the line or their level of salary and are ever so smug about it. They are most certainly among the higher income earners in this country but are in denial because they compare themselves to the CEO of AIB or Bono.

I'd say you're some craic to go drinking with  :)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 30, 2010, 03:54:57 PM
My mates are just past 30 and 2 years ago in the pub we figured out if they worked 12 months on their pay scales (before all the add ons) they would be on about €60,000 a year. They thought this was very funny and the big grins on them. But now that the recession is in town these Unionised anchors on the Irish economy are no longer laughing about it, trying to play the beal bocht  >:( I make sure to remind them, nothing more fun than embarrasing a group of people who can never be sacked and never have to meet a performance review where their job is on the line or their level of salary and are ever so smug about it. They are most certainly among the higher income earners in this country but are in denial because they compare themselves to the CEO of AIB or Bono.

I'd say you're some craic to go drinking with  :)

Ya but I have a long memory. All these Bertiebabes complaining now  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2010, 04:10:17 PM
My mates are just past 30 and 2 years ago in the pub we figured out if they worked 12 months on their pay scales (before all the add ons) they would be on about €60,000 a year. They thought this was very funny and the big grins on them. But now that the recession is in town these Unionised anchors on the Irish economy are no longer laughing about it, trying to play the beal bocht  >:( I make sure to remind them, nothing more fun than embarrasing a group of people who can never be sacked and never have to meet a performance review where their job is on the line or their level of salary and are ever so smug about it. They are most certainly among the higher income earners in this country but are in denial because they compare themselves to the CEO of AIB or Bono.

Funny then, how someone I know works hard and gets €500 per week. And It's not me by the way.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 30, 2010, 04:50:26 PM
My mates are just past 30 and 2 years ago in the pub we figured out if they worked 12 months on their pay scales (before all the add ons) they would be on about €60,000 a year. They thought this was very funny and the big grins on them. But now that the recession is in town these Unionised anchors on the Irish economy are no longer laughing about it, trying to play the beal bocht  >:( I make sure to remind them, nothing more fun than embarrasing a group of people who can never be sacked and never have to meet a performance review where their job is on the line or their level of salary and are ever so smug about it. They are most certainly among the higher income earners in this country but are in denial because they compare themselves to the CEO of AIB or Bono.

Never heard of school inpections?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: fearglasmor on June 30, 2010, 05:28:27 PM
We are a great little country for knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
I certainly want the people to whom I entrust my kids education and welfare to be bloody well paid.
Not saying thay are perfect but they do far more valuable work than all the button pushers trapped in the capitalist scam that suckers us all into believing we have to have the latest shite they dream up work our asses of to get it and when the profit testicles  get squeezed a little we have to make do on less money so we can be more competitive so we can make more money for our betters. Jesus shouldnt we be glad of the opportunity to work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 30, 2010, 09:01:50 PM
We are a great little country for knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
I certainly want the people to whom I entrust my kids education and welfare to be bloody well paid.
Not saying thay are perfect but they do far more valuable work than all the button pushers trapped in the capitalist scam that suckers us all into believing we have to have the latest shite they dream up work our asses of to get it and when the profit testicles  get squeezed a little we have to make do on less money so we can be more competitive so we can make more money for our betters. Jesus shouldnt we be glad of the opportunity to work.

Who do you think prepares all the button pushers trapped in the capitalist scam. If it’s a waste of time, sure lets cut an appropriate amount of teachers and lectures.

So based on your views, let’s cut all the business, economics, accountancy, maths teachers.

I seem to remember the first person that told me about blue chip bank shares was a teacher, the next was a lecturer. It took a Capitalist to tell me the price of these shares can go up or go down. The teachers and lecturers taught the accepted lies, lets blame them along with the capitalists and ruling classes.

Therefore I blame the failure of Capitalism on ill-prepared Capitalists, it is the educators fault.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 30, 2010, 09:04:39 PM
Anyone notice the absence of a certain poster here called ONeill?

The fecker must have got the cheap boat to France already!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 18, 2010, 12:17:35 PM
Only a week left. Surely time for another trip to Portrush.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 18, 2010, 02:07:34 PM
Only a few weeks of freedom left before I start my PGCE  :o
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 18, 2010, 02:35:38 PM
I don't even have a job secured for Sept yet...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on August 18, 2010, 08:32:31 PM
D day tomorrow with the AS and A level results out.  Not only will the students discover their fate but the teachers will find out how well their classes have achieved!

The new A* grade at A level will no doubt bring out the usual rubbish about how easy A levels have become because so many students manage to achieve it.  The rules on achieving the A* have been published in advance and anyone reaches A* has certainly earned it!
Great, so in the morning and tomorrow evening when I tune in to the news programmes all I'll hear is some stuck up know it all going on about how easy A levels/GCSEs are.
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Post by: Gaffer on August 27, 2010, 08:08:36 PM
Couple of Bakers under the belt !!!
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Post by: ardmhachaabu on August 27, 2010, 08:28:55 PM
Couple of Bakers under the belt !!!
Already?!?!
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Post by: saffron sam2 on August 27, 2010, 08:46:52 PM
Couple of Bakers under the belt !!!

Same here, although they sent us home early. Too warm apparently.

Back in again on Tuesday.
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Post by: FermGael on August 27, 2010, 09:06:25 PM
Couple of Bakers under the belt !!!

Same here, although they sent us home early. Too warm apparently.

Back in again on Tuesday.

Same thing happened with us.
The air conditioning broke in our place.
Health and safety apparently.
Hope they get it fixed for Tuesday.
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Post by: ONeill on August 27, 2010, 09:22:56 PM
I stayed on anyway. There was an uneaten cake.
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Post by: saffron sam2 on August 27, 2010, 09:28:12 PM
I stayed on anyway. There was an uneaten cake.

Was Buchanan off sick?
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Post by: hardstation on August 27, 2010, 09:34:20 PM
Did you get a chance to show yer blade what I posted about her brother?
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Post by: saffron sam2 on August 30, 2010, 09:54:57 PM
Did you get a chance to show yer blade what I posted about her brother?

Decided not to, she might show it to her brother-in-law, Gearoid.
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Post by: JimStynes on August 30, 2010, 11:28:02 PM
Moving to England on Saturday and starting a PGCE at Northumbria Uni on Monday. Anyone any advice for me? Hope i get through it in one piece.
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Post by: Tony Baloney on August 30, 2010, 11:40:39 PM
Moving to England on Saturday and starting a PGCE at Northumbria Uni on Monday. Anyone any advice for me? Hope i get through it in one piece.
Mushroom Bar, Grainger St, Newcastle - treble vodka and mixer for £1.95.

Go, enjoy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 31, 2010, 12:05:39 AM
Moving to England on Saturday and starting a PGCE at Northumbria Uni on Monday. Anyone any advice for me? Hope i get through it in one piece.
Mushroom Bar, Grainger St, Newcastle - treble vodka and mixer for £1.95.

Go, enjoy.

I don't think i am going to get the full use out of this fantastic deal going by how much work people say i will have to do. If this sort of deal was available when i was in the holylands i would probably not have got a degree at all right now.
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Post by: john mcgill on September 04, 2010, 08:43:31 PM
A bit like the alleged enrolment inflation in a Co Donegal secondary school about 10 years ago.  The ex principal is now back in Dublin.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on September 11, 2010, 11:57:18 AM
Sometimes I think I'd like to take just July as the holiday and spread out the other weeks over the year. We're back January 4th next year I think - would happily leave that til the 11th. Two full weeks at Easter perhaps.
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Post by: muppet on September 11, 2010, 03:15:20 PM
There is an excellent argument for spreading the teaching year across the calendar year with more and shorter breaks. It would be better for teachers and children.  Unfortunately, we are governed in too many ways by the universities and the exam system.

It would save money on heating closing for 3/4 weeks at Christmas and not closing in the summer.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2010, 03:35:51 PM
I wish I could get a day or two in a classroom.  :-[ :'(
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Post by: saffron sam2 on September 15, 2010, 12:00:02 PM
All teachers dread General Inspections.

I wonder will it cut down the amount of time he spends on the board.
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Post by: FermGael on September 15, 2010, 12:17:10 PM
When is it?
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Post by: Puckoon on September 15, 2010, 08:23:29 PM
Sometimes I think I'd like to take just July as the holiday and spread out the other weeks over the year. We're back January 4th next year I think - would happily leave that til the 11th. Two full weeks at Easter perhaps.

Year round schools are big over here - and growing each year. Much easier for parents to handle the 3 shorter breaks than one big one in the summer from what friends of mine with kids in these schools have told me.
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Post by: saffron sam2 on September 16, 2010, 08:22:20 AM
All teachers dread General Inspections.

I wonder will it cut down the amount of time he spends on the board.

Are you having an inspection as well?

No, just yourselves.

Although, I've probably scudded us now.
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Post by: FermGael on September 16, 2010, 09:45:51 AM
Are youse not getting a wee informal visit like we are SS2??
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Post by: saffron sam2 on September 16, 2010, 10:11:39 AM
Are youse not getting a wee informal visit like we are SS2??

Aye, Tuesday.

When's yours?
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Post by: FermGael on September 16, 2010, 01:10:42 PM
The day after.
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Post by: ONeill on September 16, 2010, 09:49:59 PM
This is your legacy, TYP. Big pressure.
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Post by: Tony Baloney on September 16, 2010, 10:33:31 PM
Youse are some craic. We've been audited twice a month since January.
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Post by: Lady GAA GAA on September 16, 2010, 10:36:36 PM
Get a real job, slackers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on September 17, 2010, 12:34:12 PM
All teachers dread General Inspections.

I wonder will it cut down the amount of time he spends on the board.

Are you having an inspection as well?

No, just yourselves.

Although, I've probably scudded us now.

All kicks off on the week beginning 18th October.  It's a Standard Inspection, first for 18 years!

How come? All the best for it anyway
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Post by: Tony Baloney on September 17, 2010, 10:19:19 PM
Seriously, what is the big deal about a school inspection?!
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Post by: ONeill on September 17, 2010, 10:20:03 PM
Seriously, what is the big deal about a school inspection?!

Ach you're not able to surf the board and you have to write on the real board.
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Post by: Tony Baloney on September 17, 2010, 10:25:50 PM
Seriously, what is the big deal about a school inspection?!

Ach you're not able to surf the board and you have to write on the real board.
Jesus that's rough. My heart goes out to you.

Do schools still have chalkboards?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on September 17, 2010, 11:26:13 PM
Rarely even use a wipe board maker.

Now you can mentally project images onto a board. Well, that's the way it is East of the Bann.
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Post by: Gaffer on September 18, 2010, 12:38:35 AM
Seriously, what is the big deal about a school inspection?!

Ask your Mrs !
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Post by: Farrandeelin on September 18, 2010, 04:25:13 PM
Youse are some craic. We've been audited twice a month since January.

Doing what?
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Post by: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2010, 03:47:43 PM
I hope all the teachers had a great day yesterday. It was World Teachers Day.
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Post by: JimStynes on October 16, 2010, 11:22:34 PM
I am studying Primary teaching in Newcastle but they sent us down to do placement in a school in Newham, London for 1 week. Not one child in my class was white or had English as their first language! Had a great time and it was a great experience.  I may try to get my final placement in the same school. Anyone ever teach in Newham by any chance?
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Post by: JimStynes on November 27, 2010, 03:09:42 PM
Any RE teachers on here? I have to teach about the passover and how it is a joyous occasion for the Jewish people. Anyone taught this before?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: wherefromreferee? on December 08, 2010, 01:49:46 PM
How many of you hard working teachers are on 'snow days'?
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Post by: Gaffer on December 08, 2010, 01:57:17 PM
How many of you hard working teachers are on 'snow days'?

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Post by: muppet on December 08, 2010, 02:21:18 PM
How many of you hard working teachers are on 'snow days'?

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Snow justice.
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Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 04:39:29 PM
Are these fuckwits on holidays again this week?
Whats the story with all the time off they get,should they not be making up time for all the days off they had because of the snow?
Useless f**king hoors they wouldn't know a hard days work if it hit them in the face.
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Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 21, 2011, 05:03:17 PM
Are these fuckwits on holidays again this week?
Whats the story with all the time off they get,should they not be making up time for all the days off they had because of the snow?
Useless f**king hoors they wouldn't know a hard days work if it hit them in the face.

No point in slagging them off at half 4. Sure even if they were at work they'd be gone by then.

On a serious note, I wouldn't begrudge teachers their holidays. Its pretty well accepted that children can't be taught 52 weeks a year so that isn't their teachers' fault. I don't think its an easy job at all and certainly don't envy anybody in the profession.
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Post by: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 05:09:14 PM
This is a tough time of the year I think for teachers. I get home at four and it's too dark for golf, too cold for gardening, too early for a beer and the TV is crap. I usually just go to sleep for a couple of hours.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on February 21, 2011, 05:19:46 PM
Are these fuckwits on holidays again this week?
Whats the story with all the time off they get,should they not be making up time for all the days off they had because of the snow?
Useless f**king hoors they wouldn't know a hard days work if it hit them in the face.

Off Thursday and Friday.
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Post by: Gaffer on February 21, 2011, 06:55:17 PM
This is a tough time of the year I think for teachers. I get home at four and it's too dark for golf, too cold for gardening, too early for a beer and the TV is crap. I usually just go to sleep for a couple of hours.

Agreed O'Neill. It is hard to put in the time until the rest of the world finish work. You sleep, I normally check out my Sky +. There's always some programme I can finish off watching.
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Post by: Rocky Mc Guigan on February 21, 2011, 07:03:36 PM
People slagging off teachers don't know the half of it. They mock the holidays they get but during the summer once you go past the 12th holiday week the countdown is on to going back for a new academic year- they only get 2 weeks at Christmas and just under a fortnight at Easter and only a few days for half terms
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Post by: maggie on February 21, 2011, 07:15:59 PM
LL-the northern fuckwits got off last week.
In scotland, they were proposing a 4day school week. I like their thinking.
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Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 21, 2011, 07:22:13 PM
This is a tough time of the year I think for teachers. I get home at four and it's too dark for golf, too cold for gardening, too early for a beer and the TV is crap. I usually just go to sleep for a couple of hours.

Agreed O'Neill. It is hard to put in the time until the rest of the world finish work. You sleep, I normally check out my Sky +. There's always some programme I can finish off watching.

Does nobody ever get addicted to online gambling in all this spare time?

I shouldn't mock, having been reared on teachers' salaries.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 21, 2011, 07:40:27 PM
I'm just seeing this thread for the first time now, haven't read it all.

My sister's a principal and I can tell you some stories about what she saw when working her way up that ladder in the comprehensive system in England.

Teaching a lesson takes a bit longer than the half hour it takes to teach it to one class.  You'll have to teach it to several classes during the day.  You have to plan the lesson ahead of time, something that can add another few hours on the night before.  Then you have to mark the homework from it, add another half hour or an hour for that.

Any time I went to visit my sister during the week she'd come home around the same time as the rest of us (teachers have all sorts of meetings to go to after the pupils have gone) and after grabbing something to eat she'd spend the rest of the evening marking homework from the day and preparing lessons for the next.  You'd be doing well if you have all that done by 9pm.

Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.

Seriously lads, do you think you could do it?

And then you get up and do it all again the following day.  I'll tell you one thing, if I had to do that I'd make sure I had all the holidays I could take.  You're basically working from 8am to 9pm in a stressful job five days a week.  Just because you're working at home doesn't mean it's not work.  Sure plenty of people in the private sector 'telecommute' by working remotely from a home office.  Are they not really working because they happen to be based at home?

But then what do I know? 

I'll tell you what.  If teaching's such a handy number and so well paid, why don't youse all become teachers?  Sure if it's just "babysitting" as someone called it and only worth minimum wage then it can't be that important, eh?  Churning out the next generation and being the deciding factor in whether or not someone turns out a criminal or a productive member of society, sure how could anyone consider that an important job? "Education?" Ha! Who needs it?

 ::)

*Based on actual events and fairly typical in some schools.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 07:52:29 PM
This is a tough time of the year I think for teachers. I get home at four and it's too dark for golf, too cold for gardening, too early for a beer and the TV is crap. I usually just go to sleep for a couple of hours.

Agreed O'Neill. It is hard to put in the time until the rest of the world finish work. You sleep, I normally check out my Sky +. There's always some programme I can finish off watching.

Does nobody ever get addicted to online gambling in all this spare time?

I shouldn't mock, having been reared on teachers' salaries.

I knew there was some reason  :) I thought you were riding one first though.
O'Neills a teacher ??? Really?...Never knew that but it does explain a lot now that I think about it.
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Post by: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 07:58:41 PM
Who said that? I just get home the same time as them.

(Should be O'Neill's a teacher)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ross4life on February 21, 2011, 08:11:51 PM
Are these fuckwits on holidays again this week?
Whats the story with all the time off they get,should they not be making up time for all the days off they had because of the snow?
Useless f**king hoors they wouldn't know a hard days work if it hit them in the face.

Could be worse you could call out a f**king useless electrician to do a simple job & charge you a ridiculous price for crappy job.

Then if you were to call them back to correct the crappy job... they will gone on some sunshine hoilday with the missus & won't be back for weeks.
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Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 09:12:22 PM
Are these fuckwits on holidays again this week?
Whats the story with all the time off they get,should they not be making up time for all the days off they had because of the snow?
Useless f**king hoors they wouldn't know a hard days work if it hit them in the face.

Could be worse you could call out a f**king useless electrician to do a simple job & charge you a ridiculous price for crappy job.

Then if you were to call them back to correct the crappy job... they will gone on some sunshine hoilday with the missus & won't be back for weeks.

Wrong thread ross..
This is the correct one
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=3077.0
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2011, 09:14:52 PM
I'm just seeing this thread for the first time now, haven't read it all.

My sister's a principal and I can tell you some stories about what she saw when working her way up that ladder in the comprehensive system in England.

Teaching a lesson takes a bit longer than the half hour it takes to teach it to one class.  You'll have to teach it to several classes during the day.  You have to plan the lesson ahead of time, something that can add another few hours on the night before.  Then you have to mark the homework from it, add another half hour or an hour for that.

Any time I went to visit my sister during the week she'd come home around the same time as the rest of us (teachers have all sorts of meetings to go to after the pupils have gone) and after grabbing something to eat she'd spend the rest of the evening marking homework from the day and preparing lessons for the next.  You'd be doing well if you have all that done by 9pm.

Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.

Seriously lads, do you think you could do it?

And then you get up and do it all again the following day.  I'll tell you one thing, if I had to do that I'd make sure I had all the holidays I could take.  You're basically working from 8am to 9pm in a stressful job five days a week.  Just because you're working at home doesn't mean it's not work.  Sure plenty of people in the private sector 'telecommute' by working remotely from a home office.  Are they not really working because they happen to be based at home?

But then what do I know? 

I'll tell you what.  If teaching's such a handy number and so well paid, why don't youse all become teachers?  Sure if it's just "babysitting" as someone called it and only worth minimum wage then it can't be that important, eh?  Churning out the next generation and being the deciding factor in whether or not someone turns out a criminal or a productive member of society, sure how could anyone consider that an important job? "Education?" Ha! Who needs it?

 ::)

*Based on actual events and fairly typical in some schools.
f**k them, a lot of them are dregs that couldn't work in the private sector. They go from college to school without seeing a proper days work or getting any life skills. Most of them would be unemployable in the real world. Gone are the days when teaching was a calling. It's now a handy number for the educationally substandard. The missus is in charge of new teachers and has had to correct spelling and grammar errors in their work.

*If this missus is reading this, I don't mean you dear!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 21, 2011, 09:30:27 PM
I don't understand this planning lessons, for a first year teacher I understand but surely someone teaching years can use the same ones over and over again? I know the curriculum can change and that but it doesn't change that much ffs! 

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Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.
Dry them. Everyone has demands in their job, the trouble with teachers are they think they are the only ones. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 09:36:08 PM
I don't understand this planning lessons, for a first year teacher I understand but surely someone teaching years can use the same ones over and over again? I know the curriculum can change and that but it doesn't change that much ffs! 

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Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.
Dry them. Everyone has demands in their job, the trouble with teachers are they think they are the only ones.

A friend of ours is a primary school teacher up in Cavan.
One night we were all out together and I started winding her up about how easy her job was.
I may have went a little too far as she lost the plot and screams at me and says

You think I have it so easy but I'll have you know there was two nights this week that I didn't get home from work till after 5pm!!

At this stage even her husband told her to shut the f**k up and stop embarrassing herself and everyone else just fell around the place laughing at her..ah good times
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2011, 09:44:50 PM
I don't understand this planning lessons, for a first year teacher I understand but surely someone teaching years can use the same ones over and over again? I know the curriculum can change and that but it doesn't change that much ffs! 

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Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.
Dry them. Everyone has demands in their job, the trouble with teachers are they think they are the only ones.

Having worked in both sectors I firmly believe that teaching is far more demanding than the private sector. But that's just my opinion.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on February 21, 2011, 09:45:54 PM
I'm just seeing this thread for the first time now, haven't read it all.

My sister's a principal and I can tell you some stories about what she saw when working her way up that ladder in the comprehensive system in England.

Teaching a lesson takes a bit longer than the half hour it takes to teach it to one class.  You'll have to teach it to several classes during the day.  You have to plan the lesson ahead of time, something that can add another few hours on the night before.  Then you have to mark the homework from it, add another half hour or an hour for that.

Any time I went to visit my sister during the week she'd come home around the same time as the rest of us (teachers have all sorts of meetings to go to after the pupils have gone) and after grabbing something to eat she'd spend the rest of the evening marking homework from the day and preparing lessons for the next.  You'd be doing well if you have all that done by 9pm.

Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.

Seriously lads, do you think you could do it?

And then you get up and do it all again the following day.  I'll tell you one thing, if I had to do that I'd make sure I had all the holidays I could take.  You're basically working from 8am to 9pm in a stressful job five days a week.  Just because you're working at home doesn't mean it's not work.  Sure plenty of people in the private sector 'telecommute' by working remotely from a home office.  Are they not really working because they happen to be based at home?

But then what do I know? 

I'll tell you what.  If teaching's such a handy number and so well paid, why don't youse all become teachers?  Sure if it's just "babysitting" as someone called it and only worth minimum wage then it can't be that important, eh?  Churning out the next generation and being the deciding factor in whether or not someone turns out a criminal or a productive member of society, sure how could anyone consider that an important job? "Education?" Ha! Who needs it?

 ::)

*Based on actual events and fairly typical in some schools.
f**k them, a lot of them are dregs that couldn't work in the private sector. They go from college to school without seeing a proper days work or getting any life skills. Most of them would be unemployable in the real world. Gone are the days when teaching was a calling. It's now a handy number for the educationally substandard. The missus is in charge of new teachers and has had to correct spelling and grammar errors in their work.

*If this missus is reading this, I don't mean you dear!

Tell us what a 'proper day's work' is or indeed what the 'real world' is.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 10:13:27 PM
I don't understand this planning lessons, for a first year teacher I understand but surely someone teaching years can use the same ones over and over again? I know the curriculum can change and that but it doesn't change that much ffs! 


Depends on the subject. Also, methodology within the classroom changes all too often and the way you teach (or advised to teach) is often observed/inspected to make sure you're adhering to the recent fad.


 The missus is in charge of new teachers and has had to correct spelling and grammar errors in their work.

*If this missus is reading this, I don't mean you dear!

Unfortunately, Tony, you are correct. However, I've a feeling this occurs in all sectors of employment. The inability to spell doesn't seem to prevent students achieving straight As and a first class degree, in anything!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 21, 2011, 10:27:14 PM

We have all heard those stories before and no one on this board takes them seriously.

You calling me a liar or are you saying I imagined the whole thing?
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Anyway, your sister has obviously escaped from the chalkface and really gets it handy.

Oh, so now it's a handy number being a head teacher as well, eh? Just sit at the desk all day and do nothing like Mr Burns?

I've never seen so many armchair generals and Monday morning quarterbacks in one place.

I ask again, if teaching is so handy then how come you're not all teachers?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on February 21, 2011, 10:27:50 PM
What are the employment prospects in the occupied six like for students currently at St  Marys? Friend, who is a teacher, said he was talking to one of his old lecturers at St Marys and he reckoned class sizes were well down on previous years and quite a few of the students would have to go to England to get jobs. Curious as my brother in law is at Queens and is thinking of giving teaching a lash.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 10:30:18 PM

We have all heard those stories before and no one on this board takes them seriously.

You calling me a liar or are you saying I imagined the whole thing?
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Anyway, your sister has obviously escaped from the chalkface and really gets it handy.

Oh, so now it's a handy number being a head teacher as well, eh? Just sit at the desk all day and do nothing like Mr Burns?

I've never seen so many armchair generals and Monday morning quarterbacks in one place.

I ask again, if teaching is so handy then how come you're not all teachers?

Erm, I think you've misread his post. He's on your side.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 10:33:52 PM


I ask again, if teaching is so handy then how come you're not all teachers?

I like to work for my wages.
I wouldn't want a handy job as I'd feel guilty for earning money for doing nothing..ie being a Teacher
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 21, 2011, 10:37:38 PM
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I ask again, if teaching is so handy then how come you're not all teachers?
I picked my job/career path because it was something I thought I'd like, enjoy and interest me.
Most people don't choose jobs or careers on the basis of what's handy. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2011, 10:42:54 PM
I don't understand this planning lessons, for a first year teacher I understand but surely someone teaching years can use the same ones over and over again? I know the curriculum can change and that but it doesn't change that much ffs! 

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Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.
Dry them. Everyone has demands in their job, the trouble with teachers are they think they are the only ones.

Having worked in both sectors I firmly believe that teaching is far more demanding than the private sector. But that's just my opinion.
Aye, well tell that to miners. Pints' point is the most pertinent of the lot, teachers think nobody works like them. I have to tell the missus to wind her neck in every now and again as there are plenty of people busting a gut on less money and a few weeks holidays a year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2011, 10:45:36 PM
I'm just seeing this thread for the first time now, haven't read it all.

My sister's a principal and I can tell you some stories about what she saw when working her way up that ladder in the comprehensive system in England.

Teaching a lesson takes a bit longer than the half hour it takes to teach it to one class.  You'll have to teach it to several classes during the day.  You have to plan the lesson ahead of time, something that can add another few hours on the night before.  Then you have to mark the homework from it, add another half hour or an hour for that.

Any time I went to visit my sister during the week she'd come home around the same time as the rest of us (teachers have all sorts of meetings to go to after the pupils have gone) and after grabbing something to eat she'd spend the rest of the evening marking homework from the day and preparing lessons for the next.  You'd be doing well if you have all that done by 9pm.

Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.

Seriously lads, do you think you could do it?

And then you get up and do it all again the following day.  I'll tell you one thing, if I had to do that I'd make sure I had all the holidays I could take.  You're basically working from 8am to 9pm in a stressful job five days a week.  Just because you're working at home doesn't mean it's not work.  Sure plenty of people in the private sector 'telecommute' by working remotely from a home office.  Are they not really working because they happen to be based at home?

But then what do I know? 

I'll tell you what.  If teaching's such a handy number and so well paid, why don't youse all become teachers?  Sure if it's just "babysitting" as someone called it and only worth minimum wage then it can't be that important, eh?  Churning out the next generation and being the deciding factor in whether or not someone turns out a criminal or a productive member of society, sure how could anyone consider that an important job? "Education?" Ha! Who needs it?

 ::)

*Based on actual events and fairly typical in some schools.
f**k them, a lot of them are dregs that couldn't work in the private sector. They go from college to school without seeing a proper days work or getting any life skills. Most of them would be unemployable in the real world. Gone are the days when teaching was a calling. It's now a handy number for the educationally substandard. The missus is in charge of new teachers and has had to correct spelling and grammar errors in their work.

*If this missus is reading this, I don't mean you dear!

Tell us what a 'proper day's work' is or indeed what the 'real world' is.
What everyone outside the teaching profession does and every place of employment outside of schools, respectively.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Big Puff on February 21, 2011, 10:47:18 PM

We have all heard those stories before and no one on this board takes them seriously.

You calling me a liar or are you saying I imagined the whole thing?
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Anyway, your sister has obviously escaped from the chalkface and really gets it handy.

Oh, so now it's a handy number being a head teacher as well, eh? Just sit at the desk all day and do nothing like Mr Burns?

I've never seen so many armchair generals and Monday morning quarterbacks in one place.

I ask again, if teaching is so handy then how come you're not all teachers?

skinner?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2011, 10:53:25 PM

We have all heard those stories before and no one on this board takes them seriously.

You calling me a liar or are you saying I imagined the whole thing?
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Anyway, your sister has obviously escaped from the chalkface and really gets it handy.

Oh, so now it's a handy number being a head teacher as well, eh? Just sit at the desk all day and do nothing like Mr Burns?

I've never seen so many armchair generals and Monday morning quarterbacks in one place.

I ask again, if teaching is so handy then how come you're not all teachers?
The people you are arguing with are teachers! Where are you on fireside fusiliers?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 11:03:02 PM
In all honesty, this thread is perhaps the moment things change utterly for the teaching profession. It is obvious that from the insightful postings above on the issue that teachers have finally been found out for what they are - lazy, uneducated and whining spongers.

They've had it so good for too long like the Church, guards and politicians in this country. They think they're above reproach. Well, the tide has finally come in for them. They'll pass it off as some form of inherent jealousy or a case of us being old enough now to rebel against those who used to tell them to shut up or read on.

Enough is enough. I call on the govt to abandon the Summer holidays and demand that no teacher leaves his post until 6pm. Also, back to work the day after St Stephen's to clean their rooms or something.

And don't get me started on nurses.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 11:04:04 PM
I always found the female teachers you'd meet in Flannery's or Copper Face Jacks a bit looser than the other women like the Nurses and Ban Gardai..
Though they were only good for the riding,you'd never dream of taking one home to meet the Mammy,thats what the Nurses were for..


Apart from Tony Baloney's wife....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2011, 11:06:40 PM
In all honesty, this thread is perhaps the moment things change utterly for the teaching profession. It is obvious that from the insightful postings above on the issue that teachers have finally been found out for what they are - lazy, uneducated and whining spongers.

They've had it so good for too long like the Church, guards and politicians in this country. They think they're above reproach. Well, the tide has finally come in for them. They'll pass it off as some form of inherent jealousy or a case of us being old enough now to rebel against those who used to tell them to shut up or read on.

Enough is enough. I call on the govt to abandon the Summer holidays and demand that no teacher leaves his post until 6pm. Also, back to work the day after St Stephen's to clean their rooms or something.

And don't get me started on nurses.
Good man.

They don't have guards in Glenavy. Fire guards? Shin guards? Mud guards?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ballinaman on February 21, 2011, 11:08:22 PM
I always found the female teachers you'd meet in Flannery's or Copper Face Jacks a bit looser than the other women like the Nurses and Ban Gardai..
Though they were only good for the riding,you'd never dream of taking one home to meet the Mammy,thats what the Nurses were for..
True that, Quinns or McGowans on nights with St Pats class parties.....fish...barrel...shotgun!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 11:09:41 PM
In all honesty, this thread is perhaps the moment things change utterly for the teaching profession. It is obvious that from the insightful postings above on the issue that teachers have finally been found out for what they are - lazy, uneducated and whining spongers.

They've had it so good for too long like the Church, guards and politicians in this country. They think they're above reproach. Well, the tide has finally come in for them. They'll pass it off as some form of inherent jealousy or a case of us being old enough now to rebel against those who used to tell them to shut up or read on.

Enough is enough. I call on the govt to abandon the Summer holidays and demand that no teacher leaves his post until 6pm. Also, back to work the day after St Stephen's to clean their rooms or something.

And don't get me started on nurses.
Good man.

They don't have guards in Glenavy. Fire guards? Shin guards? Mud guards?

Sorry, I meant guide dogs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ross4life on February 21, 2011, 11:12:16 PM
I always found the female teachers you'd meet in Flannery's or Copper Face Jacks a bit looser than the other women like the Nurses and Ban Gardai..
Though they were only good for the riding,you'd never dream of taking one home to meet the Mammy,thats what the Nurses were for..


Apart from Tony Baloney's wife....

So you married a Nurse you met in Flannery's?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 11:17:30 PM
I always found the female teachers you'd meet in Flannery's or Copper Face Jacks a bit looser than the other women like the Nurses and Ban Gardai..
Though they were only good for the riding,you'd never dream of taking one home to meet the Mammy,thats what the Nurses were for..
True that, Quinns or McGowans on nights with St Pats class parties.....fish...barrel...shotgun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNIIwqafrO4&feature=fvst
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 21, 2011, 11:30:23 PM
What are the employment prospects in the occupied six like for students currently at St  Marys? Friend, who is a teacher, said he was talking to one of his old lecturers at St Marys and he reckoned class sizes were well down on previous years and quite a few of the students would have to go to England to get jobs. Curious as my brother in law is at Queens and is thinking of giving teaching a lash.

I'm in England at the moment doing my pgce in primary teaching. I am coming home in June and hoping that I will get enough sub teaching to keep me going until I get a full time post. I have been told it could take me a few years to get any sort of permanent job  >:( 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on February 21, 2011, 11:44:27 PM
I always found the female teachers you'd meet in Flannery's or Copper Face Jacks a bit looser than the other women like the Nurses and Ban Gardai..
Though they were only good for the riding,you'd never dream of taking one home to meet the Mammy,thats what the Nurses were for..


Apart from Tony Baloney's wife....

So you married a Nurse you met in Flannery's?

Flannerys isn't in Kilkenny.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on February 22, 2011, 12:23:13 AM
I'm just seeing this thread for the first time now, haven't read it all.

My sister's a principal and I can tell you some stories about what she saw when working her way up that ladder in the comprehensive system in England.

Teaching a lesson takes a bit longer than the half hour it takes to teach it to one class.  You'll have to teach it to several classes during the day.  You have to plan the lesson ahead of time, something that can add another few hours on the night before.  Then you have to mark the homework from it, add another half hour or an hour for that.

Any time I went to visit my sister during the week she'd come home around the same time as the rest of us (teachers have all sorts of meetings to go to after the pupils have gone) and after grabbing something to eat she'd spend the rest of the evening marking homework from the day and preparing lessons for the next.  You'd be doing well if you have all that done by 9pm.

Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.

Seriously lads, do you think you could do it?

And then you get up and do it all again the following day.  I'll tell you one thing, if I had to do that I'd make sure I had all the holidays I could take.  You're basically working from 8am to 9pm in a stressful job five days a week.  Just because you're working at home doesn't mean it's not work.  Sure plenty of people in the private sector 'telecommute' by working remotely from a home office.  Are they not really working because they happen to be based at home?

But then what do I know? 

I'll tell you what.  If teaching's such a handy number and so well paid, why don't youse all become teachers?  Sure if it's just "babysitting" as someone called it and only worth minimum wage then it can't be that important, eh?  Churning out the next generation and being the deciding factor in whether or not someone turns out a criminal or a productive member of society, sure how could anyone consider that an important job? "Education?" Ha! Who needs it?

 ::)

*Based on actual events and fairly typical in some schools.
f**k them, a lot of them are dregs that couldn't work in the private sector. They go from college to school without seeing a proper days work or getting any life skills. Most of them would be unemployable in the real world. Gone are the days when teaching was a calling. It's now a handy number for the educationally substandard. The missus is in charge of new teachers and has had to correct spelling and grammar errors in their work.

*If this missus is reading this, I don't mean you dear!

Tell us what a 'proper day's work' is or indeed what the 'real world' is.
What everyone outside the teaching profession does and every place of employment outside of schools, respectively.


Rubbish reply. Pathetic !

Put on the spot and you crumbled .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 01:41:49 AM

Rubbish reply. Pathetic !

Put on the spot and you crumbled .

I'd love to put some of these boys in front of a room full of teenagers from Ballymun and asked to keep them under control and teach them something they don't want to learn.  We'd soon see how easy it is.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 09:18:04 AM

Rubbish reply. Pathetic !

Put on the spot and you crumbled .

I'd love to put some of these boys in front of a room full of teenagers from Ballymun and asked to keep them under control and teach them something they don't want to learn.  We'd soon see how easy it is.
Again, we could all outline the stresses and strains of our jobs and ask the same question. What makes you think teachers are so special?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on February 22, 2011, 03:35:26 PM

Rubbish reply. Pathetic !

Put on the spot and you crumbled .

I'd love to put some of these boys in front of a room full of teenagers from Ballymun and asked to keep them under control and teach them something they don't want to learn.  We'd soon see how easy it is.

If you taught in Ballymun you would probably be one of those teachers who volunteer to come in early a few mornings a week to provide breakfasts to that percentage of its kids who would otherwise sit there hungry.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 22, 2011, 03:57:59 PM
Far play to william  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 05:31:23 PM

Rubbish reply. Pathetic !

Put on the spot and you crumbled .

I'd love to put some of these boys in front of a room full of teenagers from Ballymun and asked to keep them under control and teach them something they don't want to learn.  We'd soon see how easy it is.
Again, we could all outline the stresses and strains of our jobs and ask the same question. What makes you think teachers are so special?

I didn't say they were "special" or that their jobs are the most stressful. I said that teaching is an important job (really, it's a big deal whether or not your child goes on to get a degree or not) and that it's not the "cushy number" that the know-alls on this thread are making it out to be.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 22, 2011, 06:01:58 PM

Rubbish reply. Pathetic !

Put on the spot and you crumbled .

I'd love to put some of these boys in front of a room full of teenagers from Ballymun and asked to keep them under control and teach them something they don't want to learn.  We'd soon see how easy it is.
Again, we could all outline the stresses and strains of our jobs and ask the same question. What makes you think teachers are so special?

I didn't say they were "special" or that their jobs are the most stressful. I said that teaching is an important job (really, it's a big deal whether or not your child goes on to get a degree or not) and that it's not the "cushy number" that the know-alls on this thread are making it out to be.
Bin men and doctors have important jobs so I'm not sure what your point is. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 06:30:40 PM
Read my lips. My point is that teaching is not a cushy number that any old eejit could do.

Am I getting through here or am I just talking to the walls?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 22, 2011, 06:54:33 PM
Read my lips. My point is that teaching is a cushy number that any old eejit could do.


+1
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tyssam5 on February 22, 2011, 07:02:58 PM
Read my lips. My point is that teaching is a cushy number that any old eejit could do.


+1

I don't think you could do it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 22, 2011, 07:06:33 PM
Read my lips. My point is that teaching is a cushy number that any old eejit could do.


+1

I don't think you could do it.

Either do I,I'd get bored with nothing to do for my 3 months a year holidays.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 07:07:56 PM
Either do I,I'd get bored with nothing to do for my 3 months a year holidays.

Written like a man that didn't pay much heed to his English teacher.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 22, 2011, 07:18:50 PM
Either do I,I'd get bored with nothing to do for my 3 months a year holidays.

Written like a man that didn't pay much heed to his English teacher.

There was a leaf on her driveway that day,she wasn't able make it into school.
It's all good though as I'm sure she still got paid for the day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 07:42:08 PM

Rubbish reply. Pathetic !

Put on the spot and you crumbled .

I'd love to put some of these boys in front of a room full of teenagers from Ballymun and asked to keep them under control and teach them something they don't want to learn.  We'd soon see how easy it is.
Again, we could all outline the stresses and strains of our jobs and ask the same question. What makes you think teachers are so special?

I didn't say they were "special" or that their jobs are the most stressful. I said that teaching is an important job (really, it's a big deal whether or not your child goes on to get a degree or not) and that it's not the "cushy number" that the know-alls on this thread are making it out to be.
Sure you could say every job was an important job. I don't think it's a cushy number  but teachers (some) going on about their job being the most important and stressful job in the whole wide world gets up my nose. You'd swear they were killed, and it's very hard to have sympathy for someone with so many holidays!

The bit in bold I don't understand, it's not a big deal whether or not your child gets a degree. Your statement is a prime example of exactly what's wrong with the education system. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 22, 2011, 09:10:24 PM
Some craic here. Is it just the holidays that piss people off about teachers?

I think they should get more time off so they can de-stress, come back more refreshed for the new term.

More money would be a good idea also, because with all the extra time off I'll be able to go skiing and get a better car and add on that extension to my sun room
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 22, 2011, 09:41:14 PM
Some craic here. Is it just the holidays that piss people off about teachers?

I think they should get more time off so they can de-stress, come back more refreshed for the new term.

More money would be a good idea also, because with all the extra time off I'll be able to go skiing and get a better car and add on that extension to my sun room
The holidays aren't the problem, especially not in my gaff as it means no childcare payments over the summer. Like Pints says the problem is people get sick listening to them moaning about their hard lot. They get paid 30-40 grand a year and get about 12 weeks holidays. They're not exactly working down a mine or pulling back to back shifts in hospital. If they hate the life so much they can always jack it in. In England I think they have 10% of their time ringfenced for preparation time! What the f**k were they doing all summer?!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 22, 2011, 09:46:18 PM
Maybe I'm in a lucky environment but I never hear a teaching moaning about the fact that they're a teacher. Where do these teachers exist?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 22, 2011, 09:49:21 PM
Maybe I'm in a lucky environment but I never hear a teaching moaning about the fact that they're a teacher. Where do these teachers exist?
Their union representatives do their moaning for them. That's what your sub is for.

Okay teachers are alright. See those union feckers...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 09:58:48 PM
The bit in bold I don't understand, it's not a big deal whether or not your child gets a degree. Your statement is a prime example of exactly what's wrong with the education system.

So you don't think it's a big deal if you get a degree or not in today's world?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on February 22, 2011, 10:06:43 PM
The bit in bold I don't understand, it's not a big deal whether or not your child gets a degree. Your statement is a prime example of exactly what's wrong with the education system.

So you don't think it's a big deal if you get a degree or not in today's world?

It would really depend what the degree was in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 22, 2011, 10:07:47 PM
There are various reasons why some teachers may complain


Working with kids that are not interested in learning.

Disruptive kids with serious learning difficulties who should be taught by specialized teachers in smaller classes.

Headmasters pushing teachers/departments to reach targets/results with students that struggle.

Taking abuse from students and getting no support from headmasters in dealing with it.

I delivered a class today on workshop calculations, the topic, BODMAS

I'd three in my class that struggled with this sum

22 - (4x5) =

These lads are holding down placements in local engineering firms, skills wise they are fine, 2 hours later though they finally got their heads around it and managed to complete a few worksheets and were happy to move on to the next subject.

Teachers can't be blamed for that, can they?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 22, 2011, 10:13:06 PM
The bit in bold I don't understand, it's not a big deal whether or not your child gets a degree. Your statement is a prime example of exactly what's wrong with the education system.

So you don't think it's a big deal if you get a degree or not in today's world?

If that's what someone wants then fair play to them but I don't think it's vital that you have one to succeed in life.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 22, 2011, 10:26:56 PM
Some craic here. Is it just the holidays that piss people off about teachers?

I think they should get more time off so they can de-stress, come back more refreshed for the new term.

More money would be a good idea also, because with all the extra time off I'll be able to go skiing and get a better car and add on that extension to my sun room
The holidays aren't the problem, especially not in my gaff as it means no childcare payments over the summer. Like Pints says the problem is people get sick listening to them moaning about their hard lot. They get paid 30-40 grand a year and get about 12 weeks holidays. They're not exactly working down a mine or pulling back to back shifts in hospital. If they hate the life so much they can always jack it in. In England I think they have 10% of their time ringfenced for preparation time! What the f**k were they doing all summer?!

Do not worry about that Tony.
we are taking Union action to try and bring that sort of inequality between the UK and NI to an end.
We will persevere....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on February 22, 2011, 10:36:53 PM
Some craic here. Is it just the holidays that piss people off about teachers?

I think they should get more time off so they can de-stress, come back more refreshed for the new term.

More money would be a good idea also, because with all the extra time off I'll be able to go skiing and get a better car and add on that extension to my sun room
The holidays aren't the problem, especially not in my gaff as it means no childcare payments over the summer. Like Pints says the problem is people get sick listening to them moaning about their hard lot. They get paid 30-40 grand a year and get about 12 weeks holidays. They're not exactly working down a mine or pulling back to back shifts in hospital. If they hate the life so much they can always jack it in. In England I think they have 10% of their time ringfenced for preparation time! What the f**k were they doing all summer?!


On holidays of course.  maybe you expect them to work during their holidays, do you?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 22, 2011, 10:40:11 PM
If we're being honest, anyone without a degree to their name is only half a person, a chav. I would never marry a degreeless woman. It'd be like courting a piece of wood.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
The bit in bold I don't understand, it's not a big deal whether or not your child gets a degree. Your statement is a prime example of exactly what's wrong with the education system.

So you don't think it's a big deal if you get a degree or not in today's world?
No, why would it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 11:02:00 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 11:09:19 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.
Well obviously if it's a requirement for what you want to do but then if it isn't, and there are equally good jobs where degrees are not needed, it doesnt matter, does it. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tyssam5 on February 22, 2011, 11:47:38 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.

Given that you are in the US, a degree is a bit like an AS level in N.Ireland. 

In fact, we have people over here who bought their degrees from the Bob Jones University (http://www.bju.edu/) in the US.

They've been known to give out a few doctorates as well.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 01:11:09 AM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.

Given that you are in the US, a degree is a bit like an AS level in N.Ireland. 

In fact, we have people over here who bought their degrees from the Bob Jones University (http://www.bju.edu/) in the US.
Speak for yourself. I got my degree in England.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 01:16:26 AM
Well obviously if it's a requirement for what you want to do but then if it isn't, and there are equally good jobs where degrees are not needed, it doesnt matter, does it.

Jobs that require degrees usually pay better than ones that don't.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on February 23, 2011, 09:25:50 AM
jesus, these degrees really are the be all and end all all of a sudden;
if you dont have one certain people would hardly talk to you, much less want to work with you..

its a mad mad mad mad world. mad
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tyrone girl on February 23, 2011, 11:25:02 AM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.

That comment makes u sound like a p***k. I have a degree so am i qualified enough to tell u that  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 23, 2011, 11:34:47 AM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.

I would rather work with someone with experience over a degree, you sound as though you put a degree down as some sort of social status.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on February 23, 2011, 11:35:24 AM
tyrone girl; thats what i was tryin to say; you did it far far better ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thebigfella on February 23, 2011, 12:15:41 PM
So what have we learned here?

IMO opinion they do have it f**king easy; some of my closest mates are teachers and openly admit it, even when they are bitching about the little cnuts and their bigger cnuts of parents.

thebigfella BSc, MSc, PhD  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hardy on February 23, 2011, 12:17:48 PM
So what have we learned here?

 some of my closest mates are teachers and openly admit it

That's the first step.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 23, 2011, 12:21:58 PM
Is it not just repetition, repetition - when I was doing my GCES's, A-Levels some teachers got us to mark each others homework.  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: John Martin on February 23, 2011, 12:30:06 PM
Is it not just repetition, repetition - when I was doing my GCES's, A-Levels some teachers got us to mark each others homework.  ::)
Using peer assessment is good practice. It reinforces the learning from the previous lesson.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hardy on February 23, 2011, 12:35:46 PM
And it gives sir a break for a smoke.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 23, 2011, 12:48:18 PM
And stops him having to do it himself.  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: John Martin on February 23, 2011, 12:52:49 PM
Well there is no point in both the teacher and the students doing it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ludermor on February 23, 2011, 01:05:06 PM
Well obviously if it's a requirement for what you want to do but then if it isn't, and there are equally good jobs where degrees are not needed, it doesnt matter, does it.

Jobs that require degrees usually pay better than ones that don't.
Really? do you know what trademen were earning the last 10 years ( i know there is feck all work now but that is the case with lots of jobs!). You could have 10 degrees and not earn in a year what some of them were earning!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 23, 2011, 01:22:47 PM
Well obviously if it's a requirement for what you want to do but then if it isn't, and there are equally good jobs where degrees are not needed, it doesnt matter, does it.

Jobs that require degrees usually pay better than ones that don't.
Really? do you know what trademen were earning the last 10 years ( i know there is feck all work now but that is the case with lots of jobs!). You could have 10 degrees and not earn in a year what some of them were earning!
:D That's a big a myth as the one doing the rounds now that there is no work for anyone...anywhere!
Plenty of work for anyone who thinks outside the box and gets off their holes to do something about it..
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 23, 2011, 01:35:07 PM
Well obviously if it's a requirement for what you want to do but then if it isn't, and there are equally good jobs where degrees are not needed, it doesnt matter, does it.

Jobs that require degrees usually pay better than ones that don't.
Really? do you know what trademen were earning the last 10 years ( i know there is feck all work now but that is the case with lots of jobs!). You could have 10 degrees and not earn in a year what some of them were earning!
:D That's a big a myth as the one doing the rounds now that there is no work for anyone...anywhere!
Plenty of work for anyone who thinks outside the box and gets off their holes to do something about it..
So there's no reason why anyone should be unemployed?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 23, 2011, 01:49:56 PM
Well there is no point in both the teacher and the students doing it.

The student isn't getting paid to do it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: John Martin on February 23, 2011, 01:54:24 PM
Good point but the teacher is getting paid to teach and if it reinforces the learning as I said earlier then they are doing their job.

By the way I think teaching is handy but them so are a lot of professions. What difference does it make if it's handy as long as the job gets done?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: J70 on February 23, 2011, 02:36:45 PM
Personally, there is no sum that I would consider adequate compensation to put up with the bullshit and stress of trying to control and teach entitled, obnoxious, immature kids. I wonder how long some of the dismissive boys here would last at it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ludermor on February 23, 2011, 02:52:25 PM
Well obviously if it's a requirement for what you want to do but then if it isn't, and there are equally good jobs where degrees are not needed, it doesnt matter, does it.

Jobs that require degrees usually pay better than ones that don't.
Really? do you know what trademen were earning the last 10 years ( i know there is feck all work now but that is the case with lots of jobs!). You could have 10 degrees and not earn in a year what some of them were earning!
:D That's a big a myth as the one doing the rounds now that there is no work for anyone...anywhere!
Plenty of work for anyone who thinks outside the box and gets off their holes to do something about it..
I can only go on the wages i know for a fact ( aas i signed off their sheets!!) that worked for our crowd as well as shuttering lads getting 250/shift for the guts of 10 years.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 23, 2011, 03:03:31 PM
Well obviously if it's a requirement for what you want to do but then if it isn't, and there are equally good jobs where degrees are not needed, it doesnt matter, does it.

Jobs that require degrees usually pay better than ones that don't.
Really? do you know what trademen were earning the last 10 years ( i know there is feck all work now but that is the case with lots of jobs!). You could have 10 degrees and not earn in a year what some of them were earning!
:D That's a big a myth as the one doing the rounds now that there is no work for anyone...anywhere!
Plenty of work for anyone who thinks outside the box and gets off their holes to do something about it..
I can only go on the wages i know for a fact ( aas i signed off their sheets!!) that worked for our crowd as well as shuttering lads getting 250/shift for the guts of 10 years.

The guys doing the signing off were the fellas on the big bucks   ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 05:55:47 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.

That comment makes u sound like a p***k. I have a degree so am i qualified enough to tell u that  ::) ::) ::)

No, it makes me sound like I want to work with people that are qualified to be here and not have to babysit anyone. I've had to hire people at this place before and I can tell you that anyone who sends in a CV that says they don't have a degree usually gets dismissed out of hand unless they have some other major selling point, but it had better be good. This company has tried hiring under qualified people before and it's been a disaster. Ask someone to do a half hour job and it takes him three days to figure it out. F*ck that sh|t, we've got work to do.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thebigfella on February 23, 2011, 06:16:30 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.

That comment makes u sound like a p***k. I have a degree so am i qualified enough to tell u that  ::) ::) ::)

No, it makes me sound like I want to work with people that are qualified to be here and not have to babysit anyone. I've had to hire people at this place before and I can tell you that anyone who sends in a CV that says they don't have a degree usually gets dismissed out of hand unless they have some other major selling point, but it had better be good. This company has tried hiring under qualified people before and it's been a disaster. Ask someone to do a half hour job and it takes him three days to figure it out. F*ck that sh|t, we've got work to do.

Hmmmm you've obviously a high opinion of yourself and the importance of your job ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 06:39:55 PM
No, I have a high opinion of doing the thing right. Is that okay with you?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 23, 2011, 06:52:34 PM
No, I have a high opinion of doing the thing right. Is that okay with you?

It's hardly that hard to flip a few burgers is it?
Only thing that might be easier is being a Teacher...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on February 23, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
Eammon - you seem to post rationally on most of what you contribute to - but you're digging yourself an unmerciful hole here.

Fact is that undergraduate degrees (and some post graduate degrees) no longer carry the weight of old. It's a measuring stick, yes - depending on the skills and knowledge required for the job.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 23, 2011, 07:29:21 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.

That comment makes u sound like a p***k. I have a degree so am i qualified enough to tell u that  ::) ::) ::)

No, it makes me sound like I want to work with people that are qualified to be here and not have to babysit anyone. I've had to hire people at this place before and I can tell you that anyone who sends in a CV that says they don't have a degree usually gets dismissed out of hand unless they have some other major selling point, but it had better be good. This company has tried hiring under qualified people before and it's been a disaster. Ask someone to do a half hour job and it takes him three days to figure it out. F*ck that sh|t, we've got work to do.

Hmmmm you've obviously a high opinion of yourself and the importance of your job ::)
I'm calling wum, no one could be that big of a p***k. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 23, 2011, 07:32:38 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.

That comment makes u sound like a p***k. I have a degree so am i qualified enough to tell u that  ::) ::) ::)

No, it makes me sound like I want to work with people that are qualified to be here and not have to babysit anyone. I've had to hire people at this place before and I can tell you that anyone who sends in a CV that says they don't have a degree usually gets dismissed out of hand unless they have some other major selling point, but it had better be good. This company has tried hiring under qualified people before and it's been a disaster. Ask someone to do a half hour job and it takes him three days to figure it out. F*ck that sh|t, we've got work to do.

Hmmmm you've obviously a high opinion of yourself and the importance of your job ::)
I'm calling wum, no one could be that big of a p***k.

O'Neill has to be in on this.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 09:04:19 PM
Eammon - you seem to post rationally on most of what you contribute to - but you're digging yourself an unmerciful hole here.

Fact is that undergraduate degrees (and some post graduate degrees) no longer carry the weight of old. It's a measuring stick, yes - depending on the skills and knowledge required for the job.

Right. So if you have a degree then you have more options open to you. So how well you do in school has some bearing on whether you get a degree. How good your teacher is has a big impact on how well you do in school. Hence, teaching is important, and as already explained it's not the cakewalk people are making it out to be.

Sorry if it's not a popular view, but there it is.

One concession I'll make though, it can be very hard to get an incompetent teacher removed. Unions have a lot to answer for there. I'll give you that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: andoireabu on February 23, 2011, 09:25:17 PM
Eammon - you seem to post rationally on most of what you contribute to - but you're digging yourself an unmerciful hole here.

Fact is that undergraduate degrees (and some post graduate degrees) no longer carry the weight of old. It's a measuring stick, yes - depending on the skills and knowledge required for the job.

Right. So if you have a degree then you have more options open to you. So how well you do in school has some bearing on whether you get a degree. How good your teacher is has a big impact on how well you do in school. Hence, teaching is important, and as already explained it's not the cakewalk people are making it out to be.

Sorry if it's not a popular view, but there it is.

One concession I'll make though, it can be very hard to get an incompetent teacher removed. Unions have a lot to answer for there. I'll give you that.
Not necessarily chap.  I have one and it has been shite all use to me so far. Fair enough there is no sell by date on it but it doesn't guarentee you squat.  I'd say I'm not the only one in the position of having graduated and not got a job in the area they want or thought they would be in.  Though I'm luckier than those that have no job at all.

Three teachers in my family and only one seems to get it handy.  The sister always seems to be planning or marking and has a shed load of books to cart around.  She said that her class had 7 different English books between exercise and reading books.  And this is a primary school class.  How does any child under 11 need 7 books for 1 subject?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 09:42:55 PM
I have one and it has been shite all use to me so far.

Mine was plenty of use to me, even though I ended up working in a different field from what my degree was in. Landed me a job in California eventually. The company helped me to relocate and sorted out my visa for me. None of this would have happened if I didn't have a degree. Fact.

I know some people who got degrees and couldn't do much with them, but that's down to where they live. If you live in a decent sized city then there's plenty more options open to you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Big Puff on February 23, 2011, 09:50:07 PM
How can you do one year postgrad and become a teacher? surely that isnt right when you consider the length of training associated with other professions?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
Because your degree took three years and one year to learn to be a teacher makes that 4 years!! plenty.  Question, who makes better teachers? Ones who do the post grad or the ones who go to training school?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Big Puff on February 23, 2011, 09:59:23 PM
Because your degree took three years and one year to learn to be a teacher makes that 4 years!! plenty.  Question, who makes better teachers? Ones who do the post grad or the ones who go to training school?

Degree isnt in teaching, however.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: AZOffaly on February 23, 2011, 10:04:16 PM
Because your degree took three years and one year to learn to be a teacher makes that 4 years!! plenty.  Question, who makes better teachers? Ones who do the post grad or the ones who go to training school?

Degree isnt in teaching, however.

Do Bachelors degrees only take 3 years in the north?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 23, 2011, 10:05:51 PM
Because your degree took three years and one year to learn to be a teacher makes that 4 years!! plenty.  Question, who makes better teachers? Ones who do the post grad or the ones who go to training school?

Degree isnt in teaching, however.

Do Bachelors degrees only take 3 years in the north?

Yes AZ, the standard degree in the North would be 3 years.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on February 23, 2011, 10:13:26 PM
Depends where you go AZ. Many (most) of the universtiy courses at UU have an industrial diploma built in to the time frame - generally one years work placement in a relevant field between the 2 and final years.

Eammon - degrees are not stand alone pathways to more options - if anything, many of them pigeon hole you in the aspects of the field in which the degree is from. A degree and successful pathway to California are not inextricably linked. Your degree and your success are - but this is not the case for every degree. A lot more than the letters after your name got you there - and anyone can have those same attributes (hard work, cop on, desire) without having the degree.  If you wish to be an engineer, a vet, accountant etc - degrees are essential. If you just wish to be successful in life and work - not having a degree doesnt close doors to you. It might close the accountancy door (just as an example) -but not all.

The fact remains though that if you've two different candidates for the same job - one with a relevant degree and one without - the degree holder will likely get that position (unless they are a complete disaster of a person, bad references, etc).
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 10:18:47 PM
So would you say someone teaching with a degree in math, and a post grad in teaching should not be teaching?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Poc me on February 23, 2011, 10:20:45 PM
I wasn't really gonna weigh in on this because i am a teacher and have gone the route of the 3 year grad, then MA, then i year post grad. Now in terms of which route produces better I have to be honest and say that it doesn't matter a damn which route you take, it really depends on the individual. A good teacher will shine through whichever route they choose. I've seen crap teachers from the post grad route and crap teachers from the 4 year route. and vice versa for good teachers.

Now on the issue of teachers getting i handy. Holidays are absolutely fantastic. No doubt about it. The summer is such a great time to be a teacher. Other holidays during the year though do tend to be littered with marking and reports. I like to think that the summer holidays are basically overtime pay for the nights spent working til 9 or 10 or to be honest (overtime isn't paid otherwise). i've spent many a night into the wee hours...granted not every teacher is like this but the dedicated ones are like this. There are teachers and many other professionals who do very little work and it generally reflects in their final product.

I'm currently on a long sub and had last week off, but because i was a sub ( i get paid by the day) I didn't get paid for that time off, yet i was marking tests, coursework and reading up on different subjects simply to enhance knowledge. I wouldn't complain about it, i just do it because it has to be done. Hopefully it shows a few doubters that teachers don't simply work 9 to half 3 or whatever and go home.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on February 23, 2011, 10:23:32 PM
i've spent many a night into the wee hours...granted not every teacher is like this but the dedicated ones are like this. There are teachers and many other professionals who do very little work and it generally reflects in their final product.

I'm currently on a long sub and had last week off, but because i was a sub ( i get paid by the day) I didn't get paid for that time off, yet i was marking tests, coursework and reading up on different subjects simply to enhance knowledge.

Phoc that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 23, 2011, 10:24:00 PM
I have one and it has been shite all use to me so far.

Mine was plenty of use to me, even though I ended up working in a different field from what my degree was in. Landed me a job in California eventually. The company helped me to relocate and sorted out my visa for me. None of this would have happened if I didn't have a degree. Fact.

I know some people who got degrees and couldn't do much with them, but that's down to where they live. If you live in a decent sized city then there's plenty more options open to you.
and you think those without degrees are flipping burgers in McDonald's?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Just Puck It on February 23, 2011, 10:24:14 PM
Question, who makes better teachers? Ones who do the post grad or the ones who go to training school?

In my opinion the students who go to a training college, (Stranmillis or St Mary's in the North) are set well ahead in terms of preparation for becoming a teacher.  St Mary's students spend over a third of their time each year in an intensive placement situation, with continuous observation and assessment - over a four year course. 

Although students who do the PGCE do have an intensive year of work alongside a number of intensive placements, it's only one year.  They have no time to develop skills in comparison to those at the training college.  Should you be at St Mary's and make the discovery in your first year that you find classroom management to be tough, you have another three years to perfect and develop your skills - likewise for any other teaching skills/strategies. 

Just my opinion - open to debate - this could make for a more interesting discussion than whether or not teachers get it handy!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Big Puff on February 23, 2011, 10:26:24 PM
So would you say someone teaching with a degree in math, and a post grad in teaching should not be teaching?

Depends what they are teaching obviously enough  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Poc me on February 23, 2011, 10:33:21 PM
Question, who makes better teachers? Ones who do the post grad or the ones who go to training school?

In my opinion the students who go to a training college, (Stranmillis or St Mary's in the North) are set well ahead in terms of preparation for becoming a teacher.  St Mary's students spend over a third of their time each year in an intensive placement situation, with continuous observation and assessment - over a four year course. 

Although students who do the PGCE do have an intensive year of work alongside a number of intensive placements, it's only one year.  They have no time to develop skills in comparison to those at the training college.  Should you be at St Mary's and make the discovery in your first year that you find classroom management to be tough, you have another three years to perfect and develop your skills - likewise for any other teaching skills/strategies. 

Just my opinion - open to debate - this could make for a more interesting discussion than whether or not teachers get it handy!

Your right on one thing, it is a more interesting discussion than that other myth. You get things as handy as you want them!

I wouldn't agree though on the route of your degree. It really balances itself out, the degree route gives you a higher level of expertise in your subject area but obviously the teaching intensive course at St. Mary's etc. gives you a stronger insight into the teaching profession. In saying that, i maintain that teaching is a natural thing for some people and it wouldn't matter if they did a post grad or 4 year course they would still be a good teacher. Teaching is still avocation for the best teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 10:34:00 PM
But would it be fair that some with a degree in math and a year PGCE course, have more knowledge in that subject so in turn would be better placed to teach it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on February 23, 2011, 10:45:40 PM
But would it be fair that some with a degree in math and a year PGCE course, have more knowledge in that subject so in turn would be better placed to teach it?
Only if we're talking about a higher level than, say, primary. Aren't most St Mary's degrees in Primary Ed? For secondary and particularly A Level, would agree with you. 
Heard a story from my sis (English teacher in a Belfast Grammar) - a new English teacher in her dept confessed to the librarian that she hated reading and hadn't read a book for fun since uni. Shocking! As an accountant I need to do CPD to ensure I keep qualified - please tell me teachers do too.

Puck, on your point, you can actually take the accounting technician route to becoming chartered, you don't actually need a degree!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 11:01:33 PM
Question, who makes better teachers? Ones who do the post grad or the ones who go to training school?

In my opinion the students who go to a training college, (Stranmillis or St Mary's in the North) are set well ahead in terms of preparation for becoming a teacher.  St Mary's students spend over a third of their time each year in an intensive placement situation, with continuous observation and assessment - over a four year course. 

Although students who do the PGCE do have an intensive year of work alongside a number of intensive placements, it's only one year.  They have no time to develop skills in comparison to those at the training college.  Should you be at St Mary's and make the discovery in your first year that you find classroom management to be tough, you have another three years to perfect and develop your skills - likewise for any other teaching skills/strategies. 

Just my opinion - open to debate - this could make for a more interesting discussion than whether or not teachers get it handy!

Your right on one thing, it is a more interesting discussion than that other myth. You get things as handy as you want them!

I wouldn't agree though on the route of your degree. It really balances itself out, the degree route gives you a higher level of expertise in your subject area but obviously the teaching intensive course at St. Mary's etc. gives you a stronger insight into the teaching profession. In saying that, i maintain that teaching is a natural thing for some people and it wouldn't matter if they did a post grad or 4 year course they would still be a good teacher. Teaching is still avocation for the best teachers.

I agree that teaching is not for everyone?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 11:30:11 PM
I have one and it has been shite all use to me so far.

Mine was plenty of use to me, even though I ended up working in a different field from what my degree was in. Landed me a job in California eventually. The company helped me to relocate and sorted out my visa for me. None of this would have happened if I didn't have a degree. Fact.

I know some people who got degrees and couldn't do much with them, but that's down to where they live. If you live in a decent sized city then there's plenty more options open to you.
and you think those without degrees are flipping burgers in McDonald's?
Take the "burger flipping" comment up with the man who made it. It wasn't me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Just Puck It on February 23, 2011, 11:51:40 PM
Question, who makes better teachers? Ones who do the post grad or the ones who go to training school?

In my opinion the students who go to a training college, (Stranmillis or St Mary's in the North) are set well ahead in terms of preparation for becoming a teacher.  St Mary's students spend over a third of their time each year in an intensive placement situation, with continuous observation and assessment - over a four year course. 

Although students who do the PGCE do have an intensive year of work alongside a number of intensive placements, it's only one year.  They have no time to develop skills in comparison to those at the training college.  Should you be at St Mary's and make the discovery in your first year that you find classroom management to be tough, you have another three years to perfect and develop your skills - likewise for any other teaching skills/strategies. 

Just my opinion - open to debate - this could make for a more interesting discussion than whether or not teachers get it handy!

Your right on one thing, it is a more interesting discussion than that other myth. You get things as handy as you want them!

I wouldn't agree though on the route of your degree. It really balances itself out, the degree route gives you a higher level of expertise in your subject area but obviously the teaching intensive course at St. Mary's etc. gives you a stronger insight into the teaching profession. In saying that, i maintain that teaching is a natural thing for some people and it wouldn't matter if they did a post grad or 4 year course they would still be a good teacher. Teaching is still avocation for the best teachers.

Just as we were on the topic, I had a word with someone I know who is currently a student of St Mary's.  She said that the time they spend each week in their own subject area is actually close if not equal to that of what her friends do at Queens, doing the same subject.  She also said that the primary and secondary students in each department do the exact same course - not sure if this is a good or bad thing?  It obviously means that the primary students are doing more than enough in their field, but are the secondary students being catered for?  Suppose it keeps the options open for primary teachers to teach in secondary once they qualify.

I sometimes think that the PGCE route to teaching can be a bit of an insult to the profession?  I'm not tarring at teachers who go through the PCGE route with the same brush as some of them make excellent teachers, but it seems to me that some people who graduate with a degree decide to go down the PCGE route as soon as they can't get a job?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 24, 2011, 12:24:19 AM
I have one and it has been shite all use to me so far.

Mine was plenty of use to me, even though I ended up working in a different field from what my degree was in. Landed me a job in California eventually. The company helped me to relocate and sorted out my visa for me. None of this would have happened if I didn't have a degree. Fact.

I know some people who got degrees and couldn't do much with them, but that's down to where they live. If you live in a decent sized city then there's plenty more options open to you.
and you think those without degrees are flipping burgers in McDonald's?
Take the "burger flipping" comment up with the man who made it. It wasn't me.
Why don't you answer the question.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 24, 2011, 01:30:08 AM
I'm damned if I know why I'm being asked this, but no, I don't think anyone without a degree is flipping burgers in McDonalds. Happy now?  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tyssam5 on February 24, 2011, 03:36:39 AM
I'm damned if I know why I'm being asked this, but no, I don't think anyone without a degree is flipping burgers in McDonalds. Happy now?  ::)

The burger-flippers in McDonald's get it handy, them bad-boys are cooked simultaneously on both sides! The art of the flipper is not like the old days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hardy on February 24, 2011, 08:58:41 AM
Burger flipping is not as easy as it looks.  You try spending a four hour shift (with only five breaks) trying to control queues of disruptive customers who don't want to be there. We burger flippers put in a lot of hours you don't see. It's not just the time spent at the counter. Then when you go home you have to prepare for the next day's burger flipping.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 24, 2011, 09:09:50 AM
I'm damned if I know why I'm being asked this, but no, I don't think anyone without a degree is flipping burgers in McDonalds. Happy now?  ::)
Um, read the question again. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Olly on February 24, 2011, 10:05:42 AM
Burger flipping is not as easy as it looks.  You try spending a four hour shift (with only five breaks) trying to control queues of disruptive customers who don't want to be there. We burger flippers put in a lot of hours you don't see. It's not just the time spent at the counter. Then when you go home you have to prepare for the next day's burger flipping.

I'm interested in this. How do you prepare for the next day's burger flipping?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hardy on February 24, 2011, 10:21:18 AM
Diligently.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ardal on February 24, 2011, 10:35:30 AM
Burger flipping is not as easy as it looks.  You try spending a four hour shift (with only five breaks) trying to control queues of disruptive customers who don't want to be there. We burger flippers put in a lot of hours you don't see. It's not just the time spent at the counter. Then when you go home you have to prepare for the next day's burger flipping.

I'm interested in this. How do you prepare for the next day's burger flipping?

Yoga or other forms of mediatation.


Teaching is not a qualification, it's a vocation
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnneycool on February 24, 2011, 10:58:15 AM
Burger flipping is not as easy as it looks.  You try spending a four hour shift (with only five breaks) trying to control queues of disruptive customers who don't want to be there. We burger flippers put in a lot of hours you don't see. It's not just the time spent at the counter. Then when you go home you have to prepare for the next day's burger flipping.

I'm interested in this. How do you prepare for the next day's burger flipping?

Yoga or other forms of mediatation.


Teaching is not a qualification, it's a vocation

Is it in your hole.   ::)   ::)  ::) ::)

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ardal on February 24, 2011, 11:15:09 AM
Burger flipping is not as easy as it looks.  You try spending a four hour shift (with only five breaks) trying to control queues of disruptive customers who don't want to be there. We burger flippers put in a lot of hours you don't see. It's not just the time spent at the counter. Then when you go home you have to prepare for the next day's burger flipping.

I'm interested in this. How do you prepare for the next day's burger flipping?

Yoga or other forms of mediatation.


Teaching is not a qualification, it's a vocation

Is it in your hole.   ::)   ::)  ::) ::)

Ahhh you're a christian brother so:

Do you want the future taught by teachers who want a wage or who want to encourage kids to think?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnneycool on February 24, 2011, 11:22:44 AM
Burger flipping is not as easy as it looks.  You try spending a four hour shift (with only five breaks) trying to control queues of disruptive customers who don't want to be there. We burger flippers put in a lot of hours you don't see. It's not just the time spent at the counter. Then when you go home you have to prepare for the next day's burger flipping.

I'm interested in this. How do you prepare for the next day's burger flipping?

Yoga or other forms of mediatation.


Teaching is not a qualification, it's a vocation

Is it in your hole.   ::)   ::)  ::) ::)

Ahhh you're a christian brother so:

Do you want the future taught by teachers who want a wage or who want to encourage kids to think?

Teaching kids to think and teaching kids to pass exams are not one and the same thing.

If you're teaching kids to think then well done you, but you are in the minority in your vocation.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ardal on February 24, 2011, 12:04:59 PM
How do you know it's a minority?

Think about the impact that the obnoxious "my Billy is a genius" parents have had on the teaching sector, and then we have the "sue you culture", you would have to be insane to be a teacher for the wage. It'd be nice if we supported our kid's teachers before we sued them.

Parents vote, Politicians want league tables, don't complain about kids being prepped only to pass exams, do something about it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on February 24, 2011, 01:10:30 PM
After my "friend" started university she went to work in McDonald's.  Burger flipping is not accurate as someone rightly pointed out.  It's more about the "basket of fries shaking" these days. 

Came home from shaking chips one night to find a message telling her she'd won an entrance scholarship to Queen's as she was one of their top academic entrants that year (it's all gone WAY downhill from there).  Just proving that you can't judge a chip shaker by their McDonald's uniform.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 24, 2011, 01:21:24 PM
After my "friend" started university she went to work in McDonald's.  Burger flipping is not accurate as someone rightly pointed out.  It's more about the "basket of fries shaking" these days. 

Came home from shaking chips one night to find a message telling her she'd won an entrance scholarship to Queen's as she was one of their top academic entrants that year (it's all gone WAY downhill from there).  Just proving that you can't judge a chip shaker by their McDonald's uniform.
Your friend is very modest.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 24, 2011, 05:47:40 PM
I'm damned if I know why I'm being asked this, but no, I don't think anyone without a degree is flipping burgers in McDonalds. Happy now?  ::)
Um, read the question again.
I did. Now what?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on February 24, 2011, 05:54:41 PM
After my "friend" started university she went to work in McDonald's.  Burger flipping is not accurate as someone rightly pointed out.  It's more about the "basket of fries shaking" these days. 

Came home from shaking chips one night to find a message telling her she'd won an entrance scholarship to Queen's as she was one of their top academic entrants that year (it's all gone WAY downhill from there).  Just proving that you can't judge a chip shaker by their McDonald's uniform.

I respect the flippers. Me I am just an apprentice flipper but someday I hope to be a fully fledged burger flipper.

Might even get my own spatula.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 24, 2011, 07:45:13 PM
I'm damned if I know why I'm being asked this, but no, I don't think anyone without a degree is flipping burgers in McDonalds. Happy now?  ::)
Um, read the question again.
I did. Now what?
Jeeze, I thought you had a degree  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gerrykeegan on March 14, 2011, 01:29:36 PM
You would be happy to see this girl walk into your common room rather than O'Neills grumpy head.


http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/celebrity-news-gossip/jenny-dixon-the-dublin-teacher-who-holidays-at-the-playboy-mansion-2578740.html?ino=2#wcol

Jenny Dixon: The Dublin teacher who holidays at the Playboy Mansion
Jenny Dixon recalls standing at the bar in the PlayboyMansion: ‘I remember thinking how ridiculous it was. Out of the corner of my eye I could see Heidi and Spencer, as well as Brodie Jenner, from ‘The Hills’ chatting, while everywhere I looked there were waiters with trays of lobster, caviarand sushi.

“The guy beside me smiled and said, ‘You'll be too shy, so I'll introduce you’, and tapped the guy in front of me. When he turned round it was Simon Cowell, who was having a pint with his friends. Knowing that in a few months I'd be back in school, standing in front of a class teaching digestion, just made the whole experience even more surreal.”

There probably aren't many teachers whose stories start with phrases such as “I was standing at the bar in the Playboy Mansion”, but Jenny Dixon isn't a run-of-the-mill teacher. For a start, the 28-year-old Dubliner, who works at a northside Dublin boys' secondary school, looks nothing like your average maths or science teacher.

She turns several heads with her bronzed legs, short skirt and cascading blonde curls as she walks through the tables of businessmen for our interview in a Ballsbridge hotel, so God only knows what effect she must have on classes of hormonal schoolboys.

In fact, if her good looks alone have a room of men panting, this next bit of information would send them into a frenzy. In her spare time, Miss Dixon flies to LA and lives it up at the Playboy Mansion.

It sounds the stuff of a teenage boy's fantasy: the strict school ma'am who, after school hours, transforms into a bikini-clad model, but, for the past two-and-a-half years, that's exactly the dual lifestyle Dixon’s been living.

It started after a break-up with a boyfriend that she'd been dating for six years. Instead of going through the traditional post-break-up routine of getting a new hair cut, getting riotously drunk with friends before sending ill-advised, 3am text messages to the ex, Jenny opted for a plane ticket to LA and the chance to indulge a dream of launching a second career.

“Suddenly I'd no ties,” explains Dixon. “I wanted to see if I could set up in a new city where I knew nobody and make a go of it with modelling, acting and presenting work. All through school I was very quiet and focused on books and grades — I was a bit of a nerd, but I always fancied doing something a little bit glamorous. This felt like my opportunity.

“I flew to LA knowing that I could come back at any time, but I ended up staying the full three months and only flew back the day before school started up again.

” For her first two weeks she was holed up in a cheap hostel in the gangster hub on Inglewood, spending hours on the internet trying to find somewhere better. She soon did, snapping up a room in an apartment off Sunset Boulevard and up from Melrose, lodging with eccentric, ageing supermodel Root Derujinsky.

The New Yorker was ill with cancer, and has since passed away, but, even in her twilight years, she was notorious for taking starry eyed, hopeful actresses under her wing. “Root was an incredible woman,” says Dixon. “She would sit, with her medicinal marijuana and glass of red, pushing me to go to parties, telling me to ‘get dressed, smile and be nice to the men'. I laughed, but I took it on board at the same time.”

Through contacts of Root's, Dixon got a crash course in LA's clubs and parties, dancing alongside MTV camera crews from ‘The Hills’ in Les Deux, Playhouse and Area and sipping cocktails on Millionaires Row in Malibu. It was also through Root that she met Hugh Hefner.

“Root said, ‘You're more Californianlooking than you are Irish. He's just up the road — go and introduce yourself ',” recalls Dixon. “I sent my portfolio and put in a bit of effort, writing a note on pink paper and spraying it with perfume, and the next thing I got an invite to the Midsummer Night's Dream Party.”

For those uninitiated in the ways of the Playboy Mansion, the Midsummer Night's Dream Party is the biggest event of Hugh Hefner's calendar year. The event sees hundreds of celebrities descend on the grounds for a night of no-holdsbarred fun. Businessmen desperate to impress clients can buy tickets for as much as ¤10,000 and the dress code, as so often is the case for Hugh's parties, is lingerie.

“I bought a lovely silk white corset and matching frilled skirt bottoms from Trashy Lingerie, which is even pricier than Agent Provocateur,” says Dixon. “I really splashed out, but, I figured, how often do you get an invite to the Playboy Mansion?”

Even now, having returned every couple of months since that first visit, and being one of only a few people to warrant a permanent spot on the mansion's guest list, Dixon remains wide-eyed when describing the infamous grounds. “It's like a wonderland for adults,” she smiles. “The trampolining, the hoola hooping, all the clichés are there. The grounds are manicured to the hilt, with exotic birds and peacocks roaming around. Inside, it's all plush gold and marble, and everywhere smells of the food prepared on-site by the chefs.

“On one occasion there was a ‘Charlie and the Chocolate Factory’ theme, with candy everywhere and little people dressed as Oompa-Loompas. Everywhere you look there are eight-tier cakestands with handmade cakes and platters of delicious appetisers. There's no expense spared and a dollar never crosses the bar.”

And, of course, there are the celebrities. As well as schmoozing with a “humble and shy” Simon Cowell, Dixon danced on stage with Sean Kingston, chatted with the producers of ‘Mad Men’ and ‘Make Me A Supermodel’, sat next to Jamie Foxx and met the founder of Motown.

There is also the grotto. “There's always swimming in the grotto and clothes are optional,” she laughs, before hastily adding that her own skimpy but costly outfit stayed on. “It's a very liberal place and I think a lot of guys feel as if they are in a candy shop.” She coyly adds that “romances blossom” amid the sweaty nakedness of the notorious steamy cave, but never for her. She says: “I always found everyone very gentlemanly, but I think if you give off a certain demeanour, that's how you'll get treated.”

Her parents — her mum's an artist and dad is an electrician — she insists, are fine with their only daughter's trips to the mansion and proud of her photo shoots (never nude), acting roles — which include a lead in as-yetunreleased movie ‘Heat on the Delta’ — and various stints as a bikini girl on the reality show ‘Girls of the Playboy Mansion’, which followed the lives of Hefner’s previous live-in girlfriends, Holly, Kendra and Bridget (and yes, he was dating them all at the same time).

She has also done modelling slots on ‘Ireland AM’ and presenting work in Dublin, much to the intrigue of her students.

“Sometimes I'll come into class and a pupil will say, ‘Miss, your hair looks nice, were you on ‘Ireland AM’ this morning?' or they'll say that they saw me in a Taio Cruz music video, but, for the most part, they just think of me as Miss Dixon who pushes them to get the best grades they can,” Dixon says. “They're teenagers and they don't care about teachers having a life outside school — even if they see you out shopping they think it's weird.”

It seems hard to believe that even selfobsessed teens would think appearing on an MTV website for ‘The Girl Next Door’ is akin to being seen in Dunnes picking up a pint of milk, especially given one awestruck pupil's comment of “she's my chemistry teacher and she's frickin hot” on a YouTube clip of the teacher doing an interview with USA Live Channel.

It might also be expected that some of the more conservative parents could have some choice words to say about their son's teacher hanging out with the world's most famous soft-pornographer. But, according to Dixon, there's been nothing but support for her extra-curricular pursuits.

“I can honestly say I've never had any negative feedback from parents or colleagues,” insists Dixon, who, anxious parents will be pleased to note, dons a more demure ensemble of skirts and jackets when in teaching mode. “I think Hugh has an almost legendary status and meeting him is almost like meeting the president or something — he's become an icon in popular culture that people feel comfortable with. Yes, he's had a colourful life, but so have a lot of people.”

Despite his bedhopping past, Dixon’s insistent that it’s true love between the 84-yearold mogul and his playmate fiancée, Crystal Harris (24). “I think it’s great Hugh's getting married. I know the rules of society might disagree, but I think good for him. Crystal's one of the nicest girls out there. She's really kind and considerate, they're both really happy and he's really committed to her.”

She adds: “A lot of what people think they know about Hugh is just media hype, a manufactured persona. Personally, I've always found him to be the perfect gentleman and very warm, generous and welcoming.

“I remember going to get my picture taken with him one Sunday when he was sitting playing chequers — which he does a lot, and he's always in his smoking jacket — and he said, ‘I remember you Irish’. Jack Osbourne started calling me Irish at a party once and the nickname stuck, because there aren't many Irish girls at the mansion.

“I thought to Hugh I'd just be blonde number 2,074, but he's lovely. The first thing you notice about him is his smile — it goes from ear to ear. In photos he puts his arm around you and gives you a hug, but it's more of an uncle vibe off him; he's very tongue in cheek.”

Of Hef's former girlfriend, Holly Madison, who now has her own MTV show ‘Holly's World’, Dixon is likewise full of praise. In fact, it seems that Disneyland may just have to give over its crown to the Playboy Mansion as the happiest place on earth. “Holly is great and very intelligent, so it's a great move for her getting her own show,” says Dixon.

“It really annoys me when people try to write the girls off as bimbos or bitches. Okay, maybe one in 10 might fit the vacuous stereotype, but the rest are lawyers, doctors and make-up artists who like to curl their hair, put on their outfits and go to the mansion at the weekends, before going back to their taxing jobs on Monday morning.” She adds: “It's really not a bitchy environment. When you're somewhere sunny where money is no object, I think it's easier to be happy and positive. I remember coming back from a photoshoot and my hair extensions weren't sitting right. Straight away a girl I hadn't even met ran over to fix them for me. I just thought, ‘wow, how nice’. Then we carried on sipping fruit cocktails by the pool.”

She does concede that there is a certain look that helps to make you a regular on the Playboy Mansion’s exclusive guest list. “You don't have to be blonde, but it helps.” She laughs: “I once saw a picture of a few of us at the mansion and couldn't pick out who I was, which was a bit scary. We all have the same hairdresser and, after a while, you do start to morph. That's when I knew it was time to get back to Ireland for a while.”

She adds: “But I wouldn't be tempted down the surgery route. Boobs are everywhere there and I feel a bit like I'm in 2D — you can't help but stare and worry that you're going to bounce off everyone! But I'm comfortable in my own style and for the work I want to be doing it suits me not to be all lips and boobs.”

What she wants to do is continue down the acting and presenting route while also keeping the job she loves — teaching.

The surreal mix, she says, works for her and she's determined not to move to LA —despite being told she has a home for life at the apartment now run by her landlady's daughter — for fear of becoming “a statistic in the out-ofwork- actress-waiting-tables bracket”.

She also turned down a job presenting Playboy TV, preferring not to appear on live TV in a small bikini, and she has no intention of entering the centrefold hall of fame. “For the moment, I'm happy doing what I'm doing. I think my trips to LA give me an energy and excitement that helps make me a better teacher. “My goal is always to do something I'm really proud of, and whether that's going for a first at university, helping my students work for science week, doing a photoshoot or chilling out at the Playboy Mansion, I give it my all.”

And with that, the tanned legs and blonde locks exit the hotel, while a room full of businessmen’s eyes silently watch her go.


Read more: http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/celebrity-news-gossip/jenny-dixon-the-dublin-teacher-who-holidays-at-the-playboy-mansion-2578740.html?ino=2#wcol#ixzz1Ga1ZsCZs
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 14, 2011, 01:55:17 PM
i hate my life. that is all
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on March 14, 2011, 03:04:51 PM
If she's the one in the black, she's brutal. FFS Heff.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on March 14, 2011, 03:25:36 PM
She sounds like a dose.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 14, 2011, 06:39:47 PM
If she's the one in the black, she's brutal. FFS Heff.
I agree, it would appear standards are slipping in the playboy mansion.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: highorlow on March 18, 2011, 05:33:04 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on March 18, 2011, 05:35:23 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.

Must be in the South.

 No obligation to 'work' in the north to make up for the snow days
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 18, 2011, 05:46:44 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.

Not me, the school I'm in only lost 4 days and there are four days at the end of June so you can stick it up your hole to all who think everyone missed out a month for snow days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2011, 06:20:56 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.

Must be in the South.

 No obligation to 'work' in the north to make up for the snow days
How do you get the curriculum covered to a decent standard with ~10 less days in some cases?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on March 18, 2011, 07:39:20 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.

Must be in the South.

 No obligation to 'work' in the north to make up for the snow days
How do you get the curriculum covered to a decent standard with ~10 less days in some cases?

Speed the lessons up a bit
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on March 18, 2011, 11:21:07 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.

Must be in the South.

 No obligation to 'work' in the north to make up for the snow days
How do you get the curriculum covered to a decent standard with ~10 less days in some cases?

Put down the paper.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2011, 11:30:48 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.

Must be in the South.

 No obligation to 'work' in the north to make up for the snow days
How do you get the curriculum covered to a decent standard with ~10 less days in some cases?

Put down the paper.
The gaaboard is the modern equivalent.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on March 19, 2011, 11:20:48 AM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.

Must be in the South.

 No obligation to 'work' in the north to make up for the snow days
How do you get the curriculum covered to a decent standard with ~10 less days in some cases?

Put down the paper.
The gaaboard is the modern equivalent.


Tell your Mrs to get off it then during class ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 19, 2011, 12:59:14 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.

Must be in the South.

 No obligation to 'work' in the north to make up for the snow days
How do you get the curriculum covered to a decent standard with ~10 less days in some cases?

Put down the paper.
The gaaboard is the modern equivalent.


Tell your Mrs to get off it then during class ;)
:D She's always yapping at me to get off it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Declan on March 29, 2011, 01:43:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxsOVK4syxU&feature=player_embedded#at=61 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxsOVK4syxU&feature=player_embedded#at=61)

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on March 29, 2011, 01:54:22 PM
He would be told to sit down and take a redner!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tyssam5 on April 01, 2011, 06:51:20 PM
Whatever about the Playboy mansion one, this one I think is fine. I'd say art is popular choice of subject among the chaps at Harrow.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12936453
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on April 01, 2011, 07:03:18 PM
Whatever about the Playboy mansion one, this one I think is fine. I'd say art is popular choice of subject among the chaps at Harrow.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12936453

No point in posting that without the topless shots of her.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 01, 2011, 08:03:51 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372268/Joanne-Salley-topless-pictures-defended-Harrow-School.html

Some school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 01, 2011, 08:12:27 PM
100% uptake for Art at GCSE and A Level I'd say.

Some school alright.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ross4life on April 01, 2011, 08:27:13 PM
What happens if she decides to have a life drawing class when she returns & chooses herself as the model?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2011, 09:56:50 PM
100% uptake for Art at GCSE and A Level I'd say.

Some school alright.

Graphic designers in Ireland earn €32,000 to €38,000.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rocky Mc Guigan on April 01, 2011, 09:57:45 PM
What happens if she decides to have a life drawing class when she returns & chooses herself as the model?
Carlsberg don't do GCSE's but if they did they would be the best GCSE's in the world
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Post by: Tony Baloney on April 01, 2011, 10:05:46 PM
Photography class looks like a bit of craic too.
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Post by: thebigfella on April 01, 2011, 10:40:54 PM
100% uptake for Art at GCSE and A Level I'd say.

Some school alright.

Graphic designers in Ireland earn €32,000 to €38,000.

Whats the relevance?
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Post by: Puckoon on April 01, 2011, 10:42:11 PM
Mighty stuff.
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Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2011, 11:04:06 PM
100% uptake for Art at GCSE and A Level I'd say.

Some school alright.

Graphic designers in Ireland earn €32,000 to €38,000.

Whats the relevance?

I'm not an artist myself and I never went to art school, but little digs against people who do art in college are something I file under "ignorant" along with the "teachers get it handy" merchants. Doing art in school can lead to a lucrative career if you're willing to work at it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 01, 2011, 11:47:41 PM
100% uptake for Art at GCSE and A Level I'd say.

Some school alright.

Graphic designers in Ireland earn €32,000 to €38,000.

Whats the relevance?

I'm not an artist myself and I never went to art school, but little digs against people who do art in college are something I file under "ignorant" along with the "teachers get it handy" merchants. Doing art in school can lead to a lucrative career if you're willing to work at it.
Having you been taking drugs?
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Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2011, 11:58:43 PM
Having you been taking drugs?
What a strange question.

No, I work in a company that employs graphic designers, I work with them, and I see at first hand what they do and how you actually need a bit of training and artistic flair to do what they do.

Why do you ask?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 02, 2011, 12:03:36 AM
Having you been taking drugs?
What a strange question.

No, I work in a company that employs graphic designers, I work with them, and I see at first hand what they do and how you actually need a bit of training and artistic flair to do what they do.

Why do you ask?
Why are you droning on about art and graphic designers? Who was making digs at people in art college?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 02, 2011, 12:23:25 AM
You did, unless you meant something else by this:
100% uptake for Art at GCSE and A Level I'd say.

Some school alright.
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Post by: ONeill on April 02, 2011, 12:35:38 AM
Fcuk me Eamonnca1. You drunk?
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Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 02, 2011, 01:06:44 AM
Oh sweet Jesus I just read the article, now I get it.

Sorry lads!  ;D
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Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 02, 2011, 01:32:50 AM
This just became the most embarrassing thread of my life.  ::) You may begin slagging at any time...
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Post by: Tony Baloney on April 02, 2011, 08:48:25 AM
Eejit! :D
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Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 03, 2011, 06:12:09 AM
I might have to resign from this website in disgrace!  :D
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Post by: highorlow on April 04, 2011, 09:38:02 AM
Its getting close to their easter break and then they have a few more weeks and then its their 3 month summer break.
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Post by: Tony Baloney on April 04, 2011, 10:27:09 AM
Its getting close to their easter break and then they have a few more weeks and then its their 3 month summer break.
To be fair to them, with Easter being late it's a long auld haul from Christmas to Easter (via holidays around mid-Feb and St. Patrick's Day obviously).
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2011, 04:17:26 PM
Its getting close to their easter break and then they have a few more weeks and then its their 3 month summer break.
To be fair to them, with Easter being late it's a long auld haul from Christmas to Easter (via holidays around mid-Feb and St. Patrick's Day obviously).

 ::) ::)

You getting it tight in the house Tony??  Aye i love the summer months
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Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 04, 2011, 06:41:13 PM
The uncensored photos are on the web. I'd post a link here but I don't want to get in trouble with this site's admin.
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Post by: laoislad on April 04, 2011, 07:32:45 PM
The uncensored photos are on the web. I'd post a link here but I don't want to get in trouble with this site's admin.

Here you go post them in here
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14500.1320
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Post by: The Iceman on April 04, 2011, 09:11:22 PM
All a publicity stunt to raise the girls online profile. You're not taking photos like that for an "art project"
the School is foolish enough to stand by her.
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Post by: Minder on April 04, 2011, 09:12:55 PM
All a publicity stunt to raise the girls online profile. You're not taking photos like that for an "art project"
the School is foolish enough to stand by her.

Yeah, these things are never "leaked", she will pack in the teaching and be in some shite reality show.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on April 04, 2011, 09:39:36 PM
All a publicity stunt to raise the girls online profile. You're not taking photos like that for an "art project"
the School is foolish enough to stand by her.

Yeah, these things are never "leaked", she will pack in the teaching and be in some shite reality show.

And we get to see her tits so it's win win
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Post by: ross4life on April 04, 2011, 09:57:22 PM
Well at least she didn't do what these teacher's did http://coedmagazine.com/2008/02/26/hot-for-teacher-top-18-sexiest-sex-offenders/

P.S good poll at the bottom of the piece  :P
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Post by: Farrandeelin on April 04, 2011, 10:06:21 PM
Its getting close to their easter break and then they have a few more weeks and then its their 3 month summer break.

3 months highorlow??  ???
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 04, 2011, 11:32:58 PM
All a publicity stunt to raise the girls online profile. You're not taking photos like that for an "art project"
the School is foolish enough to stand by her.

So you looked at the photos? You're going to have to go to confession now!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Iceman on April 05, 2011, 12:38:13 AM
All a publicity stunt to raise the girls online profile. You're not taking photos like that for an "art project"
the School is foolish enough to stand by her.

So you looked at the photos? You're going to have to go to confession now!

I didn't Eamonn, but I can read the word 'topless' and understand what that means.
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Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 05, 2011, 02:19:33 AM
All a publicity stunt to raise the girls online profile. You're not taking photos like that for an "art project"
the School is foolish enough to stand by her.

So you looked at the photos? You're going to have to go to confession now!

I didn't Eamonn, but I can read the word 'topless' and understand what that means.

Oh yes. Parts of the human body which, practical though they may be, are evil!

Just curious, do you have a problem with Venus de Milo as well?
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Post by: The Iceman on April 05, 2011, 03:05:29 AM
When did I say anything was Evil?
Whatever gripes you have with religion or God take it up with the big man upstairs.
If this is personal then we've got a whole different discussion.

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Post by: Puckoon on April 05, 2011, 03:59:25 AM
Iceman you should really have a look. It'd diffuse the hole situation here. ;)
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Post by: Tony Baloney on April 05, 2011, 06:01:23 AM
All a publicity stunt to raise the girls online profile. You're not taking photos like that for an "art project"
the School is foolish enough to stand by her.

Yeah, these things are never "leaked", she will pack in the teaching and be in some shite reality show.
Seems to be the way of it. Probably preparing the way for Big Brother or some similar crap in the summertime. When Max Clifford comes out and says she could make a fortune out of this you have to smell a rat.
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Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 05, 2011, 05:57:09 PM
When did I say anything was Evil?
Whatever gripes you have with religion or God take it up with the big man upstairs.
If this is personal then we've got a whole different discussion.
Oh come on, it's just an armless statue!  ;)

Seriously though, there can sometimes be a fine line between art and porn, but there's times when it's pretty clear that something is artistic. This is one of them. But then to make that judgment would require looking at the photos, so maybe you're not in much of a position to pass judgment until you've done so. The "down with this sort of thing" brigade always let themselves down with that sort of thing.
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Post by: Puckoon on April 05, 2011, 06:02:24 PM
When did I say anything was Evil?
Whatever gripes you have with religion or God take it up with the big man upstairs.
If this is personal then we've got a whole different discussion.
Oh come on, it's just an armless statue!  ;)

Seriously though, there can sometimes be a fine line between art and porn

I do enjoy these posts.
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Post by: laoislad on April 05, 2011, 06:09:31 PM
Lads enough of this is it Art or Smut shite..I wanna see some tits where is this link to them?
It's about the only time a teacher has done something useful so let me see them....
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Post by: muppet on April 05, 2011, 07:40:26 PM
When did I say anything was Evil?
Whatever gripes you have with religion or God take it up with the big man upstairs.
If this is personal then we've got a whole different discussion.
Oh come on, it's just an armless statue!  ;)

Seriously though, there can sometimes be a fine line between art and porn


I know, the amount of times I accidentally click on art drives me crazy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 05, 2011, 07:58:31 PM
The Salford Stallion is getting it handy these days.
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Post by: laoislad on April 26, 2011, 08:46:37 PM
Are these t**sers off this week as well?
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 26, 2011, 08:51:10 PM
Great, off till Tuesday!! Stopped Thursday afternoon.

Three barbeque's so far, and then the wedding on Friday!!
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Post by: ONeill on April 26, 2011, 09:03:24 PM
Finally got started on my vegetable patch. Hope to be totally self-sufficient by the next holidays at the end of May.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 26, 2011, 09:07:43 PM
Finally got started on my vegetable patch. Hope to be totally self-sufficient by the next holidays at the end of May.

Thinking about that myself, a couple of chickens too, but i wonder would they make a lot of noise
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Post by: ONeill on April 26, 2011, 09:09:51 PM
They do but sure, if like me, you'll not be rising til 8ish anyway and home by 330 so you can try to work their body clocks around yours.
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Post by: Orior on April 26, 2011, 09:16:04 PM
Any of you guys affected by the forthcoming changes in school principals?

I expect to see St Malachys Belfast athletics team clean up for the next 5-10 years.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 26, 2011, 09:33:44 PM
They do but sure, if like me, you'll not be rising til 8ish anyway and home by 330 so you can try to work their body clocks around yours.

Aye it's doable, With the two of us teaching it should be a breeze
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Post by: Farrandeelin on April 26, 2011, 10:43:27 PM
laoislad, I may be a Utd supporting 't**ser' but I more than likely will be unemployed in September. Suppose you'll be delighted then.
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Post by: ONeill on April 26, 2011, 11:10:24 PM
Barney also came up.
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Post by: Orior on April 27, 2011, 08:42:56 AM
Great opportunities and a largely open field for anyone interested.

Just as long as you've got your PHQ.
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Post by: Lar Naparka on April 27, 2011, 09:55:26 AM
Finally got started on my vegetable patch. Hope to be totally self-sufficient by the next holidays at the end of May.

Thinking about that myself, a couple of chickens too, but i wonder would they make a lot of noise

I imagine that the noise won't be much of a problem as hens are cacklers rather than crowers.  Now, if you have a c**k, with or without a dunghill to stand on, he could cause problems alright. Four to five hens should not upset your neighbours unduly unless they are narky to begin with.
A few square yards of ground to peck at and you'll be grand.
The smell of the rear end stuff might be  more of a problem than the noise. Down in east Mayo, we didn't have to bother about that but on a hot day in suburban areas it could be a problem.
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Post by: Orior on April 27, 2011, 10:12:05 AM
I would find the sound of hens and roosters very soothing, probably because it takes me back to when I was a chicken toddler
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2011, 11:23:19 AM
My wife only teaches 3 days a week, she was full time before the kids and when they arrived she opted for a three day week, she got tired of the relentless coffee days and meeting friends on her days off and decided to do an extra day (Thank Fcuk) and was able to do that in here own school.

She has now been told that that day is not available in the next school year!!! (that's why the chickens and vegetable patch may be required ;))

She thinks the budgets have been harsher at grammer schools than secondary schools, is this true?

She is confident of getting the odd day subbing but not guaranteed as the head has said that the current teachers workload will get bigger to compensate for the budget!!

Not a lot of happy bunnies
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Post by: laoislad on April 27, 2011, 04:56:16 PM
laoislad, I may be a Utd supporting 't**ser' but I more than likely will be unemployed in September. Suppose you'll be delighted then.

Who mentioned anything about you being a United supporting t**ser?
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Post by: Tony Baloney on June 22, 2011, 08:19:41 PM
Surprised no one is on the countdown.

23, 24, 27, 28, 29, 30!
O'Neill is. He's finished his papers and he's descaling his kettle.

I'd say the teachers in Cambridge House are busy...
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Post by: ONeill on June 29, 2011, 05:52:51 PM
Anyone need odd jobs done?
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Post by: saffron sam2 on June 29, 2011, 08:52:47 PM
Thank you. Although I saw the first "Back to school" ads in Easons yesterday.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on June 29, 2011, 09:41:04 PM
I got my holidays on Friday. Now for the old application forms which are becoming an ever recurring theme of the summer!
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Post by: Tony Baloney on June 29, 2011, 11:15:19 PM
Can I be first to congratulate you all on another year of hard graft. You've earned a long rest over the summer.

I'm looking forward to a proper dinner every night ;D
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2011, 11:36:47 PM
Can I be first to congratulate you all on another year of hard graft. You've earned a long rest over the summer.

I'm looking forward to a proper dinner every night ;D

+1
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Post by: ONeill on August 17, 2011, 12:08:43 PM
Spare a thought for the poor principals at this time of the year.
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Post by: laoislad on August 17, 2011, 12:51:43 PM
Leaving Cert results today. Time is flying, wont be long till teachers are on their mid term break.
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Post by: Gaffer on August 17, 2011, 05:53:57 PM
   "Won't be long now !"
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Post by: ziggysego on August 17, 2011, 06:01:01 PM
It's not all bad teachers.

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Post by: Gaffer on August 17, 2011, 10:17:14 PM
It's not all bad teachers.

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Remember their nicknames more like.
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Post by: Fionntamhnach on August 17, 2011, 10:39:48 PM
What to you call a teacher who's no longer your teacher?

Answer: | Anything you like!.|

Highlight between the two vertical bars to get it...
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Post by: maggie on August 18, 2011, 01:19:14 AM
A teacher can help change a mirror into a window.
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Post by: ziggysego on August 18, 2011, 01:21:52 AM
A teacher can help change a mirror into a window.

What?
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Post by: Tony Baloney on August 18, 2011, 08:44:36 AM
A teacher can help change a mirror into a window.
:D do me a favour!
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Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 18, 2011, 09:54:32 AM
A teacher can help change a mirror into a window.
:D do me a favour!

someones getting teachers mixed up with paul daniels tbf ;D
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Post by: Hashtag on August 18, 2011, 09:58:04 AM
Couple of my friends are teachers. Been on the drink four nights a week since start of July. They get it very handy.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on August 18, 2011, 03:11:40 PM
It's handy alright...If only some school in this god-forsaken place would give me a f**king job!
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Post by: laoislad on August 31, 2011, 07:13:12 PM
Not to worry only a few weeks until your mid term break.
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Post by: saffron sam2 on August 31, 2011, 08:50:26 PM
Big day is tomorrow!

All good teachers will be to bed early tonight to get a good night's sleep before the new year begins tomorrow!  Make sure the bags are packed tonight and you all arrive bright eyed in the morning.



This chap will be returning to school after a reprimand from the GTC. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8733059/Porn-star-teacher-can-return-to-the-classroom.html)

This cheeky chap will be returning too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14721163 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14721163)
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Post by: Gaffer on August 31, 2011, 10:34:30 PM
Big day is tomorrow!

All good teachers will be to bed early tonight to get a good night's sleep before the new year begins tomorrow!  Make sure the bags are packed tonight and you all arrive bright eyed in the morning.



This chap will be returning to school after a reprimand from the GTC. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8733059/Porn-star-teacher-can-return-to-the-classroom.html)

Big day was today for alot of schools.
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Post by: muppet on September 01, 2011, 06:05:26 AM
Big day was today for alot of schools.

Could do better.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2011, 08:53:13 AM
Not to worry only a few weeks until your mid term break.

That the only line you can come up with?
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Post by: Estimator on September 01, 2011, 03:29:03 PM
Last day of the holidays for me - though tomorrow is just a staff day, which is nice!
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Post by: Gaffer on September 01, 2011, 06:42:11 PM
Last day of the holidays for me - though tomorrow is just a staff day, which is nice!

In at 9.30 and hit staffroom for coffee  at 10,
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Post by: Orior on September 29, 2011, 09:53:46 PM
Careful now .... Facebook (http://www.big1059.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=124415&article=7624266)
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Post by: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2011, 09:16:31 PM
Happy World Teachers' Day. Nice the World recognises the hard work we do by giving us our own day.
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Post by: laoislad on October 05, 2011, 09:17:48 PM
Happy World Teachers' Day. Nice the World recognises the hard work we do by giving us our own day.

Yer great. Have a two week holiday to celebrate.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2011, 09:24:06 PM
Happy World Teachers' Day. Nice the World recognises the hard work we do by giving us our own day.

Yer great. Have a two week holiday to celebrate.

No need, there is a week coming up at the end of October for mid-term.

Roll on! ;)
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Post by: muppet on October 05, 2011, 09:47:19 PM
Happy World Teachers' Day. Nice the World recognises the hard work we do by giving us our own day.

Sorry about this but it is about the Whisky. The Scots are trying to latch onto Arthur's day.
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 05, 2011, 10:03:19 PM
Whens the next day off? Is it holidays or a strike?
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Post by: trileacman on October 05, 2011, 10:06:19 PM
Happy World Teachers' Day. Nice the World recognises the hard work we do by giving us our own day.

Sorry about this but it is about the Whisky. The Scots are trying to latch onto Arthur's day.
scotch is piss.
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Post by: muppet on October 05, 2011, 10:12:05 PM
Happy World Teachers' Day. Nice the World recognises the hard work we do by giving us our own day.

Sorry about this but it is about the Whisky. The Scots are trying to latch onto Arthur's day.
scotch is piss.

Scotch going down tastes like Irish coming up.
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Post by: Gaffer on October 05, 2011, 10:14:48 PM
 Where's Baloney for another dig at teachers?
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Post by: Tony Baloney on October 05, 2011, 10:20:40 PM
Where's Baloney for another dig at teachers?
Here. What are the teachers whining about today?

I could actually dig a teacher from here but she's busy marking.  :D
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Post by: ONeill on October 05, 2011, 10:20:58 PM
Happy World Teachers' Day. Nice the World recognises the hard work we do by giving us our own day.

Sorry about this but it is about the Whisky. The Scots are trying to latch onto Arthur's day.
scotch is piss.

Scotch going down tastes like Irish coming up.

Single malt from that part of the world is a real drink. The Irish stuff is a watered version.
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Post by: Orior on October 05, 2011, 11:26:06 PM
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Post by: Gaffer on October 06, 2011, 06:20:02 PM
Just heard of a nearby school got the big letter yesterday morning. OUCH !!

Any teacher here will know eaxctly what I'm on about.
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Post by: Tony Baloney on October 06, 2011, 07:06:44 PM
The missus is expecting the inspection letter any day now. I have reassured her by telling her she should be inspection ready at all times. Not impressed.
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Post by: AZOffaly on October 06, 2011, 07:23:08 PM
The missus is expecting the inspection letter any day now. I have reassured her by telling her she should be inspection ready at all times. Not impressed.

You get a letter to tell you you are going to be inspected? Very good. :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 06, 2011, 07:27:45 PM
The missus is expecting the inspection letter any day now. I have reassured her by telling her she should be inspection ready at all times. Not impressed.

You get a letter to tell you you are going to be inspected? Very good. :D
The teachers can confirm but I think you get a few weeks notice.
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Post by: Gaffer on October 06, 2011, 08:04:26 PM
The missus is expecting the inspection letter any day now. I have reassured her by telling her she should be inspection ready at all times. Not impressed.

If that's the case you better start learning how to cook etc cos you'll be doing it for a month or so after the letter arrives.

Weekends and all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2011, 08:51:57 PM
My work to be inspected in 6 weeks! As said already  you should be ready. This will be my third inspection.

ETI always looking for something different  ???
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Post by: ballinaman on October 06, 2011, 09:34:55 PM
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Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 06, 2011, 09:41:57 PM
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I remember being in a school staff room one day and I seen on the noticeboard a non-too-serious guide on using the right words at parent teacher meetings. The one I remember is: Say to them "Your son is trying really hard at his work..." but what you really want to say "Your son is as thick as shit!"
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Post by: Gaffer on October 07, 2011, 05:07:21 PM
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I remember being in a school staff room one day and I seen on the noticeboard a non-too-serious guide on using the right words at parent teacher meetings. The one I remember is: Say to them "Your son is trying really hard at his work..." but what you really want to say "Your son is as thick as shit!"


" Wee Joe works well at his level" 
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Post by: maggie on October 07, 2011, 07:26:47 PM
The Educating Essex show on channel 4 gives a great insight into the goings on in a secondary school in England. The head teacher/deputy head are fab imo. Such a good team.
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Post by: sammymaguire on October 09, 2011, 08:26:25 AM
Any holidays coming up soon?
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Post by: Gaffer on October 09, 2011, 10:26:39 AM
Any holidays coming up soon?

No. Have to wait until Halloween believe it or not !
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Post by: JimStynes on October 14, 2011, 08:32:49 PM
Any primary teachers know where i could do a course on linguistic phonics?
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Post by: maggie on October 14, 2011, 08:49:22 PM
A friend of mine did the linguistic phonics training over the summer through the beelb, if you look up their website, they might still be doing some training days on it. Think it was about £50 because she wasn't attached to a school.
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Post by: JimStynes on October 14, 2011, 10:50:46 PM
Cheers maggie. Can't find that course anywhere. Any other courses you recommend doing?
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Post by: ardal on October 14, 2011, 10:59:44 PM
Any primary teachers know where i could do a course on linguistic phonics?

Just curious, but apart from linguistic phonics, what other types of phonics are there?
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Post by: ardal on October 14, 2011, 11:19:33 PM
So there's only phonics (linguistic) ???
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Post by: maggie on October 15, 2011, 01:44:11 AM
Not sure, will ask around on monday and see if anyone knows of any others. But linguistic phonics is being widely implemented in schools now so it would be the best one. Did u check the other education boards websites?

As far as I know, the two types I have used are linguistic phonics and synthetic phonics.

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Post by: Cold tea on October 21, 2011, 10:09:32 AM
Best note home from school yet!

Friday 28th October is a staff training day so there will be no children in school.  This is also the day Miss xxx xxxxx, Primary # teacher's wedding to Mr xxx xxxxxx.  I am sure staff, parents and pupils would like to wish xxxxx all the best on her wedding day.

I am sure the staff will be having the training day in some hotel.  ;D
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Post by: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2011, 06:47:05 PM
Enjoy mid-term everyone!
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Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 28, 2011, 06:53:40 PM
A week off!

Maybe they should post when they are actually in.

Need to get them in cleaning the yard and painting the school during the students holidays. Need to save the Department of Education some money.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2011, 07:02:56 PM
A week off!

Maybe they should post when they are actually in.

Need to get them in cleaning the yard and painting the school during the students holidays. Need to save the Department of Education some money.

7th November - 22nd December. 8th December off. Sin é.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2011, 06:17:20 PM
Yes, they visit us on the 28th. Will have to dig out those lesson plans  :o
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Post by: Tony Baloney on November 06, 2011, 06:45:44 PM
TYP, Do your teachers get to use the same lesson plans every year? The missus is forever doing new lesson plans, creating blogs, moodles and always yaps about having too much to do but no other teachers I know do anywhere near the same amount of work! Is this crap (outside teaching time and marking homeworks) a necessity these days, an expectation or can you get away with doing less? It appears some teachers are!
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Post by: moysider on November 06, 2011, 09:23:47 PM
A week off!

Maybe they should post when they are actually in.

Need to get them in cleaning the yard and painting the school during the students holidays. Need to save the Department of Education some money.

Really. What about all the money teachers save the state, by 'minding' some of these kids for a few more years, before they are eventually let loose and appear before a court near you?  ;)

Notice how the riots in England's cities stopped once the schools reopened  ;)

 Try it sometime and you might find out that there is more to teaching than teaching. 
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Post by: Gaffer on November 06, 2011, 09:37:06 PM
A week off!

Maybe they should post when they are actually in.

Need to get them in cleaning the yard and painting the school during the students holidays. Need to save the Department of Education some money.

The whole point of holidays is that you DON'T work.
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Post by: Jonah on November 06, 2011, 09:47:56 PM
A week off!

Maybe they should post when they are actually in.

Need to get them in cleaning the yard and painting the school during the students holidays. Need to save the Department of Education some money.

The whole point of holidays is that you DON'T work.
But ye don't work when in school either!
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Post by: armaghniac on November 06, 2011, 10:03:40 PM
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a special word of encouragement to those who might encounter special visitors on their return to school for the remainder of this term.

Bloody mice. I was away from the house for a few days and they moved in too. It's the time of year.
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Post by: moysider on November 06, 2011, 10:04:50 PM
 Unreal.

As well as that I had a mice visit. A honeymooning couple by the sounds of it. I like mice and they are very playful and entertaining. However their cavorting drove myself and the missus into the spare room in the middle of the night, clutching pillows and duvet (and what was left of my stalk!). The other two were duly caught and relocated for re-education the following day. I find they can t resist a lightly fried Carr's white pudding.
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Post by: Gaffer on November 06, 2011, 10:05:33 PM
A week off!

Maybe they should post when they are actually in.

Need to get them in cleaning the yard and painting the school during the students holidays. Need to save the Department of Education some money.

The whole point of holidays is that you DON'T work.
But ye don't work when in school either!

Eh? What do I do then?
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Post by: Blowitupref on November 12, 2011, 03:13:45 AM
New career for a former porn star?
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/porn-star-sasha-grey-read-elementary-school-classroom-report-article-1.976218
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 10:23:54 PM
Any teacher here striking/not striking on Wednesday.

 School near me has all teachers working as usual.
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Post by: ONeill on November 25, 2011, 10:37:07 PM
Any teacher here striking/not striking on Wednesday.

 School near me has all teachers working as usual.

Most schools have sent word to parents not to send their child or children in to school on Wednesday.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2011, 10:41:52 PM
Any teacher here striking/not striking on Wednesday.

 School near me has all teachers working as usual.

Most schools have sent word to parents not to send their child or children in to school on Wednesday.

Translink have made it easier with no transport available for the schools. Though innercity schools should still be open
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Post by: Tony Baloney on November 25, 2011, 10:43:56 PM
Any teacher here striking/not striking on Wednesday.

 School near me has all teachers working as usual.
The missus is going in.
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Post by: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 10:56:08 PM
Any teacher here striking/not striking on Wednesday.

 School near me has all teachers working as usual.
The missus is going in.

Yes, schools have to be available for teachers who want to work on Wednesday.

 If majority of teachers decide to strike then there will be no pupils  giving the non strikers a handy day of it !
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Post by: Tony Baloney on November 25, 2011, 10:59:57 PM
Any teacher here striking/not striking on Wednesday.

 School near me has all teachers working as usual.
The missus is going in.

Yes, schools have to be available for teachers who want to work on Wednesday.

 If majority of teachers decide to strike then there will be no pupils  giving the non strikers a handy day of it !
Who'd notice the difference?  ;)
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Post by: laoislad on November 25, 2011, 11:01:39 PM
Shower of wasters.
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Post by: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 11:02:14 PM
Any teacher here striking/not striking on Wednesday.

 School near me has all teachers working as usual.
The missus is going in.
!

Yes, schools have to be available for teachers who want to work on Wednesday.

 If majority of teachers decide to strike then there will be no pupils  giving the non strikers a handy day of it !
Who'd notice the difference?  ;)

LOL. Knew that was coming
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Post by: Tony Baloney on November 25, 2011, 11:03:02 PM
I knew you knew!  :D
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2011, 11:04:56 PM
Well ETI inspectors be on strike  ::)
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Post by: ONeill on November 25, 2011, 11:09:33 PM
Well ETI inspectors be on strike  ::)

From INTO:

What happens if there are ETI inspections on the day of the strike?
INTO has written asking that no inspections take place on that day. Should this be ignored, members are free to take strike action and this should not adversely affect any inspection report.
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Post by: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 11:20:41 PM
Well ETI inspectors be on strike  ::)


No. Flat out at the moment. Inspecting right up to xmas. Normally avoid December.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2011, 11:30:35 PM
Well ETI inspectors be on strike  ::)


No. Flat out at the moment. Inspecting right up to xmas. Normally avoid December.

Yeah I don't mind them to be honest (only doing their job), possibly inspect two of my classes (two different levels) and that's that. The management and systems get scrutinised and the stats are the areas that they will look at more (Which are good).

They have been, on recent inspections to other training organisation/training colleges hammering the tracking, systems and stats. New grading in place also from last time I was inspected (I got a 2 the last time) So i hope to get something similar.
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Post by: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 11:41:26 PM
I couldn t care less whether they say I am outstanding or just OK. You don t get an extra penny either way ( unlike the head of the waterboard who'll get a £20 000 bonus if he doesn't make a balls of the water over winter)

As long as they don't recommend I get the road ! :D
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Post by: Windmill abu on November 26, 2011, 01:43:22 AM
Quote
If majority of teachers decide to strike then there will be no pupils  giving the non strikers a handy day of it !

Since when has crossing a picket line become a handy day of it?
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Post by: Gaffer on November 26, 2011, 08:00:09 AM
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If majority of teachers decide to strike then there will be no pupils  giving the non strikers a handy day of it !

Since when has crossing a picket line become a handy day of it?

They drive to school as normal, park the car , walk in and presumably walk to their classrooms. No pupils today however! Handy day.
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Post by: hardstation on November 26, 2011, 08:25:53 PM
Scab! Scab! Scab! Scab! Scab!
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Post by: Gaffer on November 26, 2011, 11:17:52 PM
McCormick Cup final  and the MacRory Cup playoffs being played on Tuesday because of the strike!  Should have put them on Wednesday morning when the lads would be off school anyway.  Quite a few parents would be off to see the games.

Wopuld the teachers in charge of those teams not be on strike on Wednesday thereby unable to take the teams?
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Post by: Minder on November 26, 2011, 11:28:27 PM
John O'Dowd won't cross the picket line yet voted for increased contributions to public sector pensions  ???
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Post by: hardstation on November 26, 2011, 11:31:01 PM
Scab! Scab! Scab! Scab! Scab!
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Post by: Tony Baloney on November 26, 2011, 11:41:04 PM
John O'Dowd won't cross the picket line yet voted for increased contributions to public sector pensions  ???
Day off.
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Post by: Minder on November 26, 2011, 11:53:02 PM
The thing about that vote was the result was not made public for a full month and there is hardly a peep about it, SF and DUP seem to only want to be associated with giveaways and good news stories. I can guarantee you there will be SF and DUP representatives showing "solidarity" on the picket line on Wednesday. In fairness they reckon you get the government you deserve.
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Post by: Tony Baloney on November 27, 2011, 12:07:57 AM
The thing about that vote was the result was not made public for a full month and there is hardly a peep about it, SF and DUP seem to only want to be associated with giveaways and good news stories. I can guarantee you there will be SF and DUP representatives showing "solidarity" on the picket line on Wednesday. In fairness they reckon you get the government you deserve.
At the same time as voting for it they were on the news all week saying they were against it. To be fair to them I think the idea of waiving the changes for those earning under £32k is a good one.
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Post by: Minder on November 27, 2011, 12:17:19 AM
The thing about that vote was the result was not made public for a full month and there is hardly a peep about it, SF and DUP seem to only want to be associated with giveaways and good news stories. I can guarantee you there will be SF and DUP representatives showing "solidarity" on the picket line on Wednesday. In fairness they reckon you get the government you deserve.
At the same time as voting for it they were on the news all week saying they were against it. To be fair to them I think the idea of waiving the changes for those earning under £32k is a good one.

It's a good idea that they know will never see the light of day.
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Post by: Tony Baloney on November 27, 2011, 12:23:25 AM
The thing about that vote was the result was not made public for a full month and there is hardly a peep about it, SF and DUP seem to only want to be associated with giveaways and good news stories. I can guarantee you there will be SF and DUP representatives showing "solidarity" on the picket line on Wednesday. In fairness they reckon you get the government you deserve.
At the same time as voting for it they were on the news all week saying they were against it. To be fair to them I think the idea of waiving the changes for those earning under £32k is a good one.

It's a good idea that they know will never see the light of day.
Stormont ministers in populist grandstanding shocker!
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Post by: ONeill on November 27, 2011, 12:56:39 AM
The Scottish Assembly simply ignored the demands from the Treasury in London and looked after their public sector workers who are among the lowest paid.



I thought the Scots went ahead with govt plans.
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Post by: hardstation on November 27, 2011, 01:04:13 AM
The whole thing is a load of bollix, in my eyes. When was the last time unions held any sort of power? Not in my lifetime.
Although I would never be a scab, there are people losing a day's pay because of this strike, which will pass by without anybody giving a fcuk. That is ridiculous.

I'm 25 and I'm prepared to face it, you just work until you die.
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Post by: Forever Green on November 27, 2011, 01:15:12 AM
Lucky you`s have a f**king job unlike a lot of people. Quit whinging and just get the f**k on with it
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Post by: hardstation on November 27, 2011, 01:17:20 AM
Lucky you`s have a f**king job unlike a lot of people. Quit whinging and just get the f**k on with it
That would be my reckoning. That said, I don't have a pension pot worth pissing into.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2011, 11:03:30 AM
I've two pensions from different jobs over the years. Worth fook all, invest your money over the years and hope it makes you enough to retire on. Otherwise your fooked.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2011, 08:30:14 PM
Inspection over!!! Thank fook for that, very intense, can't remember them being so intense before. Sat in 4 of my classes!!! Kids were great in fairness and considering the type of lads that we get very well behaved.

Of course you have your scheme of work and lesson plans ready but not once during the lessons did they ask for them. They all dressed like undertakers and you couldn't drag a conversation out of them outside of what they were looking for.

Questioning the kids i believe is part of the process but how they question them and the type of questions leave a lot to be desired.

So the score will be given tomorrow. So I may be looking a job somewhere soon :P
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Post by: Gaffer on December 01, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Inspection over!!! Thank fook for that, very intense, can't remember them being so intense before. Sat in 4 of my classes!!! Kids were great in fairness and considering the type of lads that we get very well behaved.

Of course you have your scheme of work and lesson plans ready but not once during the lessons did they ask for them. They all dressed like undertakers and you couldn't drag a conversation out of them outside of what they were looking for.

Questioning the kids i believe is part of the process but how they question them and the type of questions leave a lot to be desired.

So the score will be given tomorrow. So I may be looking a job somewhere soon :P

MR, are you primary or secondary?
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2011, 09:11:44 PM
Training college, 16 up. Engineering
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Post by: Tony Baloney on December 01, 2011, 10:07:26 PM
Inspection over!!! Thank fook for that, very intense, can't remember them being so intense before. Sat in 4 of my classes!!! Kids were great in fairness and considering the type of lads that we get very well behaved.

Of course you have your scheme of work and lesson plans ready but not once during the lessons did they ask for them. They all dressed like undertakers and you couldn't drag a conversation out of them outside of what they were looking for.

Questioning the kids i believe is part of the process but how they question them and the type of questions leave a lot to be desired.

So the score will be given tomorrow. So I may be looking a job somewhere soon :P
Back to doing f**k all for another 5 years  ;)
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Post by: Gaffer on December 01, 2011, 10:12:49 PM
Inspection over!!! Thank fook for that, very intense, can't remember them being so intense before. Sat in 4 of my classes!!! Kids were great in fairness and considering the type of lads that we get very well behaved.

Of course you have your scheme of work and lesson plans ready but not once during the lessons did they ask for them. They all dressed like undertakers and you couldn't drag a conversation out of them outside of what they were looking for.

Questioning the kids i believe is part of the process but how they question them and the type of questions leave a lot to be desired.

So the score will be given tomorrow. So I may be looking a job somewhere soon :P
Back to doing f**k all for another 5 years  ;)

It ll be more like 10 years
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2011, 10:13:31 PM
Inspection over!!! Thank fook for that, very intense, can't remember them being so intense before. Sat in 4 of my classes!!! Kids were great in fairness and considering the type of lads that we get very well behaved.

Of course you have your scheme of work and lesson plans ready but not once during the lessons did they ask for them. They all dressed like undertakers and you couldn't drag a conversation out of them outside of what they were looking for.

Questioning the kids i believe is part of the process but how they question them and the type of questions leave a lot to be desired.

So the score will be given tomorrow. So I may be looking a job somewhere soon :P
Back to doing f**k all for another 5 years  ;)

Hey, baby sitting isn't for everybody ;)
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Post by: Fionntamhnach on December 01, 2011, 10:29:42 PM
The whole thing is a load of bollix, in my eyes. When was the last time unions held any sort of power? Not in my lifetime.
Although I would never be a scab, there are people losing a day's pay because of this strike, which will pass by without anybody giving a fcuk. That is ridiculous.

I'm 25 and I'm prepared to face it, you just work until you die.
Those that work in the public sector that aren't union members will still be in receipt from any deals negotiated by unions e.g. pay rises, holidays, working conditions etc. A days pay may be lost, but non-union public sector workers by proxy still receive the benefits that are negotiated by the trade unions involved. I know of no one in any line of employment who has turned down a benefit that applies to them because it was agreed between the employer(s) and unions and they don't hold membership.
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Post by: Gaffer on December 07, 2011, 09:06:44 PM
Upping the ante

http://www.into.ie/NI/Publications/Bulletin/BulletinIndex2011/Bulletin_18_industrialaction_short_of_strike.pdf
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Post by: FermGael on December 07, 2011, 09:12:57 PM
Now that is something that will cause a bit of bother.
Will cause no disruption to pupils but will cause a good bit of bother for the Education Department.
Any school due an inspection will be getting an influx of INTO members

But what are the NASUWT going to do??
You would think the unions would act in unison
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Post by: Gaffer on December 07, 2011, 09:25:56 PM
Now that is something that will cause a bit of bother.
Will cause no disruption to pupils but will cause a good bit of bother for the Education Department.
Any school due an inspection will be getting an influx of INTO members

But what are the NASUWT going to do??
You would think the unions would act in unison

You can be sure the NASUWT will follow.

New leader recently installed as INTO secretary. Maybe more militant than his predecessor.
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Post by: FermGael on December 07, 2011, 10:23:46 PM
Now that is something that will cause a bit of bother.
Will cause no disruption to pupils but will cause a good bit of bother for the Education Department.
Any school due an inspection will be getting an influx of INTO members

But what are the NASUWT going to do??
You would think the unions would act in unison

You can be sure the NASUWT will follow.

New leader recently installed as INTO secretary. Maybe more militant than his predecessor.

Not so sure Gaffer.
The INTO will only specifically effect Northern Ireland teachers.

If NASUWT took the same step, it would have to be for Northern Ireland teachers and teachers in the rest of the UK.
I would doubt they would take that step with the pension negotiations just having restarted.

INTO can really get away with it because they are in relative terms, a very small and marginal union in these negotiations
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Post by: FermGael on December 07, 2011, 10:25:31 PM
Did you know that 95% of 44% is 41.8%.

That's the percentage of INTO members who voted to undertake this further action.

What sort of inconvience will this action cause senior management in schools??

I would assume that most schools would have a mixture of NASUWT and INTO members.
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Post by: ONeill on December 07, 2011, 10:48:02 PM
NASUWT issued something similar to tonight, without the ETI idea. Something about boycotting admin duties.
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Post by: Gaffer on December 21, 2011, 09:27:23 PM
Aff the marra 'til  the 9th Jan !
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Post by: saffron sam2 on December 21, 2011, 09:30:13 PM
Aff the marra 'til  the 9th Jan !

Me too!
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Post by: ONeill on December 21, 2011, 10:56:25 PM
I'm back on the 6th.
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Post by: saffron sam2 on December 22, 2011, 10:55:30 AM
I'm back on the 6th.

Nobody tell you yet. The phrase "in lieu" has been mentioned.
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Post by: Gaffer on December 22, 2011, 11:44:12 AM
I'm back on the 6th.

The wick at Halloween has come back to bite youse !
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Post by: maggie on December 22, 2011, 12:25:45 PM
Half day today. Back on the 4th.
I see the strike day money is being taken outta january's pay.
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Post by: fearglasmor on December 22, 2011, 01:23:37 PM
Half day today. Back on the 4th.
I see the strike day money is being taken outta january's pay.


No big deal there.
Succesful Irish manufacturing company - half day yesterday back on 3rd

Although the annual nativity play has been dropped in the National school and it has nothing to do with any pc reasons.
Had letter from secondary school suggesting abandoning Mock Junior cert  otherwise parents will have to pay €120 per student.
Its a great free education system we have.
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Post by: Gaffer on December 29, 2011, 07:56:27 PM
More  strike action in the new term

http://www.into.ie/NI/Publications/Bulletin/BulletinIndex2011/Bulletin_19_action_short_of_strike_no2.pdf

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Post by: ONeill on December 29, 2011, 08:33:07 PM
More  strike action in the new term

http://www.into.ie/NI/Publications/Bulletin/BulletinIndex2011/Bulletin_19_action_short_of_strike_no2.pdf

Will this have an impact on Open Nights?
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Post by: Gaffer on December 29, 2011, 09:01:19 PM
More  strike action in the new term

http://www.into.ie/NI/Publications/Bulletin/BulletinIndex2011/Bulletin_19_action_short_of_strike_no2.pdf

Will this have an impact on Open Nights?

Need your goggles on you. O'Neill

It says in the bulletin that Open Nights are exempt !
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 30, 2011, 01:17:38 AM
Wife has open night on the 5th of Jan!!! No hanging about there!!

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 08, 2012, 08:31:53 PM
Back to porridge tomorrow. 4 weeks til the next holidays ffs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 09:01:34 PM

Back to porridge tomorrow. 4 weeks til the next holidays ffs.

Lucky so and so.

I'll be flat out for the next 5 weeks  (minus directed time of course) before I receive my next allocation of hols !
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Post by: FermGael on January 08, 2012, 09:24:56 PM
Back to porridge tomorrow. 4 weeks til the next holidays ffs.
Is it not 5??
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Post by: maggie on January 08, 2012, 09:25:49 PM
How come it is minus directed time?
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Post by: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 09:33:10 PM
How come it is minus directed time?

Cos my union says so
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Post by: sammymaguire on January 08, 2012, 09:49:31 PM

Back to porridge tomorrow. 4 weeks til the next holidays ffs.

Lucky so and so.

I'll be flat out for the next 5 weeks  (minus directed time of course) before I receive my next allocation of hols !

I can take a holiday any time I like.  ;) I'm sure you've heard it all before
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Post by: maggie on January 08, 2012, 09:54:25 PM
Gaffer are u INTO? I was arguing with someone on fri that we didn't have to do DT. She said, no because we took part in the one day strike, we still had to do DT.
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Post by: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 10:28:22 PM
Gaffer are u INTO? I was arguing with someone on fri that we didn't have to do DT. She said, no because we took part in the one day strike, we still had to do DT.

INTO surely. As regards your friend, you would wonder where, in under fcuk, she got that nonsense of information from !!
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Post by: maggie on January 08, 2012, 10:45:46 PM
Her arguement centred around which of the two boxes we ticked back in the original letter they sent out. App one of them said u would still DT and cover/duty etc. She said we were in breach of our contract if we didn't do it. As I couldn't remember what the letter said, I just listened.

In fairness, it was a pretty one sided argument.
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Post by: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:01:20 PM
Her arguement centred around which of the two boxes we ticked back in the original letter they sent out. App one of them said u would still DT and cover/duty etc. She said we were in breach of our contract if we didn't do it. As I couldn't remember what the letter said, I just listened.

In fairness, it was a pretty one sided argument.

Right. She must have thought it was an either / or choice.

We still have to do our planning though. we can decide whether we do it at home or in school. Means that some will still probably stay on in school to do it but you can now walk out at the end of your teaching day .  early morning duty and bus duty remains as well.

I know of one school who were due to start an inspection tomorrow. They were all geared up to spend xmas holidays in school preparing for it. The boycott of inspections  put pay to that though.
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Post by: maggie on January 08, 2012, 11:08:15 PM
Thanks for the clarification. Back to a full week tomorrow regardless. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 08, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
Her arguement centred around which of the two boxes we ticked back in the original letter they sent out. App one of them said u would still DT and cover/duty etc. She said we were in breach of our contract if we didn't do it. As I couldn't remember what the letter said, I just listened.

In fairness, it was a pretty one sided argument.

Right. She must have thought it was an either / or choice.

We still have to do our planning though. we can decide whether we do it at home or in school. Means that some will still probably stay on in school to do it but you can now walk out at the end of your teaching day .  early morning duty and bus duty remains as well.

I know of one school who were due to start an inspection tomorrow. They were all geared up to spend xmas holidays in school preparing for it. The boycott of inspections  put pay to that though.

Why would they possibly be spending Christmas in school to prepare for an inspection? Surely given the dedicated nature of staff in our schools, teaching standards are always at the requisite level and there is no need to put in hours of additional effort to get things up to scratch once every four years when they get news of a pre-planned inspection?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2012, 11:29:37 PM
Her arguement centred around which of the two boxes we ticked back in the original letter they sent out. App one of them said u would still DT and cover/duty etc. She said we were in breach of our contract if we didn't do it. As I couldn't remember what the letter said, I just listened.

In fairness, it was a pretty one sided argument.

Right. She must have thought it was an either / or choice.

We still have to do our planning though. we can decide whether we do it at home or in school. Means that some will still probably stay on in school to do it but you can now walk out at the end of your teaching day .  early morning duty and bus duty remains as well.

I know of one school who were due to start an inspection tomorrow. They were all geared up to spend xmas holidays in school preparing for it. The boycott of inspections  put pay to that though.

Why would they possibly be spending Christmas in school to prepare for an inspection? Surely given the dedicated nature of staff in our schools, teaching standards are always at the requisite level and there is no need to put in hours of additional effort to get things up to scratch once every four years when they get news of a pre-planned inspection?
You would think that! Instead you get a heap of back-dating and creation of lesson plans, policies and schemes of work that should be in place as a matter of course to ensure our children receive the best possible education as funded by us taxpayers ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:33:22 PM



I know of one school who were due to start an inspection tomorrow. They were all geared up to spend xmas holidays in school preparing for it. The boycott of inspections  put pay to that though.

Why would they possibly be spending Christmas in school to prepare for an inspection? Surely given the dedicated nature of staff in our schools, teaching standards are always at the requisite level and there is no need to put in hours of additional effort to get things up to scratch once every four years when they get news of a pre-planned inspection?

It s the way things are with inspections and has been for a long time. The standards expected from the inspectors are so high that teachers need this time to prepare. The detailed written planning, the wall displays, the differenciation in each lesson to cater for all abilities in the class, the detailed marking of books, the actual planning of lessons, the detailed policies of each subect area etc etc.  All this work has to be done outside of normal teaching hours and despite the fact that teachers try to keep on top of it as best they can during the normal school year once the inspection comes it takes over their lives for the period . As I say,  the standard expected is so high the this time is needed to get ready for it and impossible to maintain once the inspectors have gone !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 08, 2012, 11:36:00 PM



I know of one school who were due to start an inspection tomorrow. They were all geared up to spend xmas holidays in school preparing for it. The boycott of inspections  put pay to that though.

Why would they possibly be spending Christmas in school to prepare for an inspection? Surely given the dedicated nature of staff in our schools, teaching standards are always at the requisite level and there is no need to put in hours of additional effort to get things up to scratch once every four years when they get news of a pre-planned inspection?

It s the way things are with inspections and has been for a long time. The standards expected from the inspectors are so high that teachers need this time to prepare. The detailed written planning, the wall displays, the differenciation in each lesson to cater for all abilities in the class, the detailed marking of books, the actual planning of lessons, the detailed policies of each subect area etc etc.  All this work has to be done outside of normal teaching hours and despite the fact that teachers try to keep on top of it as best they can during the normal school year once the inspection comes it takes over their lives for the period . As I say,  the standard expected is so high the this time is needed to get ready for it and impossible to maintain once the inspectors have gone !

So what you're telling me is that the inspection system is a farce? (To be fair, I knew this, hailing as I do from a long lineage of educators)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2012, 11:39:30 PM



I know of one school who were due to start an inspection tomorrow. They were all geared up to spend xmas holidays in school preparing for it. The boycott of inspections  put pay to that though.

Why would they possibly be spending Christmas in school to prepare for an inspection? Surely given the dedicated nature of staff in our schools, teaching standards are always at the requisite level and there is no need to put in hours of additional effort to get things up to scratch once every four years when they get news of a pre-planned inspection?

It s the way things are with inspections and has been for a long time. The standards expected from the inspectors are so high that teachers need this time to prepare. The detailed written planning, the wall displays, the differenciation in each lesson to cater for all abilities in the class, the detailed marking of books, the actual planning of lessons, the detailed policies of each subect area etc etc.  All this work has to be done outside of normal teaching hours and despite the fact that teachers try to keep on top of it as best they can during the normal school year once the inspection comes it takes over their lives for the period . As I say,  the standard expected is so high the this time is needed to get ready for it and impossible to maintain once the inspectors have gone !

So what you're telling me is that the inspection system is a farce? (To be fair, I knew this, hailing as I do from a long lineage of educators)
Or teachers don't put the hours into fulfilling the roles they are handsomely rewarded for. Last I checked they have all summer to keep up to date with the requirements of the post.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 08, 2012, 11:41:44 PM
Ach it's human nature. You might keep a clean and tidy house but if your ma said she was coming down to visit you in your house for the first time you'll be polishing under the stairs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:43:50 PM



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Why would they possibly be spending Christmas in school to prepare for an inspection? Surely given the dedicated nature of staff in our schools, teaching standards are always at the requisite level and there is no need to put in hours of additional effort to get things up to scratch once every four years when they get news of a pre-planned inspection?

It s the way things are with inspections and has been for a long time. The standards expected from the inspectors are so high that teachers need this time to prepare. The detailed written planning, the wall displays, the differenciation in each lesson to cater for all abilities in the class, the detailed marking of books, the actual planning of lessons, the detailed policies of each subect area etc etc.  All this work has to be done outside of normal teaching hours and despite the fact that teachers try to keep on top of it as best they can during the normal school year once the inspection comes it takes over their lives for the period . As I say,  the standard expected is so high the this time is needed to get ready for it and impossible to maintain once the inspectors have gone !

So what you're telling me is that the inspection system is a farce? (To be fair, I knew this, hailing as I do from a long lineage of educators)

The school during an inspection is like a woman dolled up for a wedding. Looks the part for the day but when the big day is over she revrerts to her everyday mode of hair tied back, no make up and tracksuit bottoms showing off her big hole !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:46:19 PM


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It s the way things are with inspections and has been for a long time. The standards expected from the inspectors are so high that teachers need this time to prepare. The detailed written planning, the wall displays, the differenciation in each lesson to cater for all abilities in the class, the detailed marking of books, the actual planning of lessons, the detailed policies of each subect area etc etc.  All this work has to be done outside of normal teaching hours and despite the fact that teachers try to keep on top of it as best they can during the normal school year once the inspection comes it takes over their lives for the period . As I say,  the standard expected is so high the this time is needed to get ready for it and impossible to maintain once the inspectors have gone !

So what you're telling me is that the inspection system is a farce? (To be fair, I knew this, hailing as I do from a long lineage of educators)
Or teachers don't put the hours into fulfilling the roles they are handsomely rewarded for. Last I checked they have all summer to keep up to date with the requirements of the post.

Eh?, Who works during their holidays?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2012, 11:47:44 PM
Ach it's human nature. You might keep a clean and tidy house but if your ma said she was coming down to visit you in your house for the first time you'll be polishing under the stairs.
Ach I know. I baited the line but few nibbles tonight!

We have customer audits almost every week but when the government inspector comes every two years there are weeks of prep to ensure everything is in place as it should be. Walls get painted, floor gets swept and the mugs get washed. We sometimes ensure the quality system is complied with too! :)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:51:53 PM
Ach it's human nature. You might keep a clean and tidy house but if your ma said she was coming down to visit you in your house for the first time you'll be polishing under the stairs.
Ach I know. I baited the line but few nibbles tonight!

We have customer audits almost every week but when the government inspector comes every two years there are weeks of prep to ensure everything is in place as it should be. Walls get painted, floor gets swept and the mugs get washed. We sometimes ensure the quality system is complied with too! :)


We know you too well Tony. Weren't you complaining a while back about the Mrs having to do all the marking and planning at home.

In other words, you were having to make your own dinner !!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 08, 2012, 11:54:49 PM
Some change in SS2 during our recent inspection. Every morning he stood in the foyer shaking the hands of pupils he didn't even know, hair slicked back, new shirts, smiling and laughing heartily with his workmates. The same hoor hasn't even smirked since they left.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trileacman on January 08, 2012, 11:56:12 PM
Ach it's human nature. You might keep a clean and tidy house but if your ma said she was coming down to visit you in your house for the first time you'll be polishing under the stairs.

You don't know me at all. I try to mess the place up a little, fall behind on the housework, just so she will have something to do when she lands in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 09, 2012, 12:04:48 AM
Ach it's human nature. You might keep a clean and tidy house but if your ma said she was coming down to visit you in your house for the first time you'll be polishing under the stairs.
Ach I know. I baited the line but few nibbles tonight!

We have customer audits almost every week but when the government inspector comes every two years there are weeks of prep to ensure everything is in place as it should be. Walls get painted, floor gets swept and the mugs get washed. We sometimes ensure the quality system is complied with too! :)


We know you too well Tony. Weren't you complaining a while back about the Mrs having to do all the marking and planning at home.

In other words, you were having to make your own dinner !!
Aye there seems to be a desperate amount of fannying about in teaching now, not helped by curriculum changes all the time. When I was a school the same dog-eared overhead acetates were fired out every year!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Worker on January 18, 2012, 10:38:07 AM
Teachers will get 90 weeks salary to retire early

The education minister has revealed that teachers taking redundancy will be able to leave with up to 90 weeks pay as part of their severance package.

John O'Dowd has allocated £167m to make the offer to teachers taking voluntary redundancy from August onwards.

The offer is three times as much as the average statutory redundancy package.

The Northern Ireland Teachers Council (NITC) welcomed the announcement and said it would "permit schools to manage their staffing costs more effectively".

Mr O'Dowd told Good Morning Ulster that the offer was an "invest to save programme" that would "re-profile" teaching staff across Northern Ireland.

The money will be used to encourage teachers in their 50s to take retirement before they reach pensionable age. The 90 weeks severance pay is designed to bridge the gap.

"We recognise that, despite the significant amount of money agreed with the executive last week, we are still going to be facing redundancies going into the future," said Mr O'Dowd.

"Yes, staff will be leaving the service but there is a significant number of staff who are coming close to retirement age.

"They don't want to go too early because that will have a negative affect on their pensions.

"I want to allow these staff to be able to leave the service with dignity and recognition of their service to education.

"That will allow us to re-profile our educational workforce going into the future."

Spokesperson for the NITC, Tony Carlin said: "The announcement of improved severance arrangements for teachers will enable them to leave their chosen profession and would also permit schools to manage their staffing costs more effectively.

"The NITC congratulates the minister on securing the additional monies and giving commitment to manage the staffing reductions through voluntary means where possible."



Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Ulick on January 18, 2012, 11:18:46 AM

The offer is three times as much as the average statutory redundancy package.


Three times the average - but is it three times the average in comparable jobs? For example the current voluntary redundancy package on offer at Queen's is "up to two years". Thing with these packages is they only encourage older staff to move on by offering something like 4 weeks pay per year of service "up to 90 weeks" - not everyone will get the "90 weeks". Anything less and it's not worth it for an older member of staff to leave as they can hold on for a few years and get the same on retirement. What's also not mentioned is that a redundancy package of this size is taxable over the £30k mark and taking into consideration current earnings in the year, most of that will be taxed at 40%. Not a bad package but considering most of these people will never work again at the same level or salary, it's not up there with the best either - only a fraction of what the RUC & UDR got and they'd hardly qualifications hanging out of them and doesn't come anywhere near the half million payouts to politicians and advisor in the south. If we want to make room for all of these unemployed young teachers, the older ones need an incentive to move on.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Evil Genius on January 18, 2012, 04:44:48 PM

The offer is three times as much as the average statutory redundancy package.


Three times the average - but is it three times the average in comparable jobs? For example the current voluntary redundancy package on offer at Queen's is "up to two years". Thing with these packages is they only encourage older staff to move on by offering something like 4 weeks pay per year of service "up to 90 weeks" - not everyone will get the "90 weeks". Anything less and it's not worth it for an older member of staff to leave as they can hold on for a few years and get the same on retirement. What's also not mentioned is that a redundancy package of this size is taxable over the £30k mark and taking into consideration current earnings in the year, most of that will be taxed at 40%. Not a bad package but considering most of these people will never work again at the same level or salary, it's not up there with the best either - only a fraction of what the RUC & UDR got and they'd hardly qualifications hanging out of them and doesn't come anywhere near the half million payouts to politicians and advisor in the south. If we want to make room for all of these unemployed young teachers, the older ones need an incentive to move on.
Re your comparison in bold, there are two key differences.

1. With Teachers, there is a perceived need to reduce the overall numbers, whereas with the RUC (at least), there was no reduction in police numbers, rather it was necessary to encourage serving RUC officers to retire early, in order to make way for new PSNI replacements;
2. Whilst misbehaviour in the classroom can be a problem, the Teaching profession didn't see 500 of its number murdered by their pupils over the course of 30 years...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trileacman on January 18, 2012, 04:52:39 PM

The offer is three times as much as the average statutory redundancy package.


Three times the average - but is it three times the average in comparable jobs? For example the current voluntary redundancy package on offer at Queen's is "up to two years". Thing with these packages is they only encourage older staff to move on by offering something like 4 weeks pay per year of service "up to 90 weeks" - not everyone will get the "90 weeks". Anything less and it's not worth it for an older member of staff to leave as they can hold on for a few years and get the same on retirement. What's also not mentioned is that a redundancy package of this size is taxable over the £30k mark and taking into consideration current earnings in the year, most of that will be taxed at 40%. Not a bad package but considering most of these people will never work again at the same level or salary, it's not up there with the best either - only a fraction of what the RUC & UDR got and they'd hardly qualifications hanging out of them and doesn't come anywhere near the half million payouts to politicians and advisor in the south. If we want to make room for all of these unemployed young teachers, the older ones need an incentive to move on.
Re your comparison in bold, there are two key differences.

1. With Teachers, there is a perceived need to reduce the overall numbers, whereas with the RUC (at least), there was no reduction in police numbers, rather it was necessary to encourage serving RUC officers to retire early, in order to make way for new PSNI replacements;
2. Whilst misbehaviour in the classroom can be a problem, the Teaching profession didn't see 500 of its number murdered by their pupils over the course of 30 years...

You can turn that on its head very quickly.  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Evil Genius on January 18, 2012, 05:00:10 PM

The offer is three times as much as the average statutory redundancy package.


Three times the average - but is it three times the average in comparable jobs? For example the current voluntary redundancy package on offer at Queen's is "up to two years". Thing with these packages is they only encourage older staff to move on by offering something like 4 weeks pay per year of service "up to 90 weeks" - not everyone will get the "90 weeks". Anything less and it's not worth it for an older member of staff to leave as they can hold on for a few years and get the same on retirement. What's also not mentioned is that a redundancy package of this size is taxable over the £30k mark and taking into consideration current earnings in the year, most of that will be taxed at 40%. Not a bad package but considering most of these people will never work again at the same level or salary, it's not up there with the best either - only a fraction of what the RUC & UDR got and they'd hardly qualifications hanging out of them and doesn't come anywhere near the half million payouts to politicians and advisor in the south. If we want to make room for all of these unemployed young teachers, the older ones need an incentive to move on.
Re your comparison in bold, there are two key differences.

1. With Teachers, there is a perceived need to reduce the overall numbers, whereas with the RUC (at least), there was no reduction in police numbers, rather it was necessary to encourage serving RUC officers to retire early, in order to make way for new PSNI replacements;
2. Whilst misbehaviour in the classroom can be a problem, the Teaching profession didn't see 500 of its number murdered by their pupils over the course of 30 years...

You can turn that on its head very quickly.  ::)
Perhaps, but it doesn't repudiate my point that Donagh Ulick was making a misleading/unhelpful comparison.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: AQMP on January 18, 2012, 05:34:25 PM

The offer is three times as much as the average statutory redundancy package.


Three times the average - but is it three times the average in comparable jobs? For example the current voluntary redundancy package on offer at Queen's is "up to two years". Thing with these packages is they only encourage older staff to move on by offering something like 4 weeks pay per year of service "up to 90 weeks" - not everyone will get the "90 weeks". Anything less and it's not worth it for an older member of staff to leave as they can hold on for a few years and get the same on retirement. What's also not mentioned is that a redundancy package of this size is taxable over the £30k mark and taking into consideration current earnings in the year, most of that will be taxed at 40%. Not a bad package but considering most of these people will never work again at the same level or salary, it's not up there with the best either - only a fraction of what the RUC & UDR got and they'd hardly qualifications hanging out of them and doesn't come anywhere near the half million payouts to politicians and advisor in the south. If we want to make room for all of these unemployed young teachers, the older ones need an incentive to move on.
Re your comparison in bold, there are two key differences.

1. With Teachers, there is a perceived need to reduce the overall numbers, whereas with the RUC (at least), there was no reduction in police numbers, rather it was necessary to encourage serving RUC officers to retire early, in order to make way for new PSNI replacements;
2. Whilst misbehaviour in the classroom can be a problem, the Teaching profession didn't see 500 of its number murdered by their pupils over the course of 30 years...

This is true but people would really get hot under the collar if teachers retiring with an attractive package were re-hired as classroom assistants a few months later.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theskull1 on January 18, 2012, 06:22:31 PM
This is true but people would really get hot under the collar if teachers retiring with an attractive package were re-hired as classroom assistants a few months later.

Already happening. Lots of well connected retired teachers still the sub of choice to their mate the head.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 18, 2012, 06:28:02 PM
This is true but people would really get hot under the collar if teachers retiring with an attractive package were re-hired as classroom assistants a few months later.

Already happening. Lots of well connected retired teachers still the sub of choice to their mate the head.
With the proposed budget cuts can many Heads afford these retired teachers as they'll be on the highest daily rate. It's a rotten system if it is still the case.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on January 18, 2012, 07:25:00 PM
This is true but people would really get hot under the collar if teachers retiring with an attractive package were re-hired as classroom assistants a few months later.

Already happening. Lots of well connected retired teachers still the sub of choice to their mate the head.
With the proposed budget cuts can many Heads afford these retired teachers as they'll be on the highest daily rate. It's a rotten system if it is still the case.

They shouldnt be employing them  !

If I had the power I would outlaw it  !

and I'd  slap the greedy 'retired' teachers around the lugs ! 

That'll put the subbin' out of 'em
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Ulick on January 19, 2012, 12:13:23 AM
BTW the triple redundancy rate is not as good as it appears because redundancy payments are taxed at 40% above £30,000.  It shows a lack of foresight by DE because the large payments won't mean much more for teachers and 40% of the payments above £30K will be sent back to the Treasury from scarce funds for schools.  The same rate will be paid to teachers of all ages although it is supposed to be targeted at teachers in the 55+ age bracket to bridge the gap to their pension at 60.  It would have been better to give them a pension contribution to bring their pension closer to 40 years, this would have targeted the older teachers and with no tax implications all of the DE expenditure would have stayed in NI. Ahhhhhhhhhh!

Presumably those taking the package have the choice to purchase additional voluntary contributions and save the tax.   
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on January 19, 2012, 09:50:18 AM
I don't see the problem with hiring very experienced professionals (thought retired) as substitute cover, as long as they're taxed appropriately on their income. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Ulick on January 19, 2012, 10:55:22 AM
I don't see the problem with hiring very experienced professionals (thought retired) as substitute cover, as long as they're taxed appropriately on their income.

There are particular problems with it up here Billy:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/education/5000-teachers-canrsquot-find-a-job-16052896.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/education/5000-teachers-canrsquot-find-a-job-16052896.html)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on January 19, 2012, 12:03:21 PM
I understand that alright Ulick, but from the perspective of: (a) Principal Teachers/Boards of Management, and (b) Students/Parents, and only in respect of short-term substitute cover, are retired teachers not as good an, if not better, option than inexperienced graduates?  Teacher supply and demand changes radically from year-to-year, and medium to long-term employment prospects for teachers are usually reasonably good, in general, no?? 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theskull1 on January 19, 2012, 12:28:38 PM
I understand that alright Ulick, but from the perspective of: (a) Principal Teachers/Boards of Management, and (b) Students/Parents, and only in respect of short-term substitute cover, are retired teachers not as good an, if not better, option than inexperienced graduates?  Teacher supply and demand changes radically from year-to-year, and medium to long-term employment prospects for teachers are usually reasonably good, in general, no??

Generally speaking Billy from what I've heard..these retired teachers are spent forces who just babysit classes rather than teach. If they still were enthused they'd still be teaching. Subbing is stress free and a good way to supplement the pension
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Ulick on January 19, 2012, 12:33:52 PM
I understand that alright Ulick, but from the perspective of: (a) Principal Teachers/Boards of Management, and (b) Students/Parents, and only in respect of short-term substitute cover, are retired teachers not as good an, if not better, option than inexperienced graduates?  Teacher supply and demand changes radically from year-to-year, and medium to long-term employment prospects for teachers are usually reasonably good, in general, no??

Slightly different system up here than the south which effectually means that teacher demand doesn't really change that much from year to year. I agree in that I'd rather have an experienced teacher in as short term cover for my children but the high number of newly qualified teachers out of work means that few of them are getting any experience which in the long term isn't a good thing. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on January 19, 2012, 01:08:46 PM
I understand that alright Ulick, but from the perspective of: (a) Principal Teachers/Boards of Management, and (b) Students/Parents, and only in respect of short-term substitute cover, are retired teachers not as good an, if not better, option than inexperienced graduates?  Teacher supply and demand changes radically from year-to-year, and medium to long-term employment prospects for teachers are usually reasonably good, in general, no??

Slightly different system up here than the south which effectually means that teacher demand doesn't really change that much from year to year. I agree in that I'd rather have an experienced teacher in as short term cover for my children but the high number of newly qualified teachers out of work means that few of them are getting any experience which in the long term isn't a good thing.

I get you now; the problem thus lies with the teacher-training institutions - they shouldn't be churning out more graduates than the system can actually use.  I think, though I may be wrong, the teacher-training colleges down here change their intake numbers from year to year depending on the demographics and projected job-generations/retirements etc.  They get it wrong from time-to-time, but in general they can react to shortages and over-supply over a three-year period.

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Generally speaking Billy from what I've heard..these retired teachers are spent forces who just babysit classes rather than teach. If they still were enthused they'd still be teaching. Subbing is stress free and a good way to supplement the pension

Short-term subbing is a babysitting job, irrespective of who the sub is - a teacher can't be expected to dovetail into curriculum delivery with a class they have for a day or two.  I would never describe teaching a class you don't know as stress-free.  I do get your point though, I'm just saying for such a short-term job it's probably better to use someone experienced than not.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on April 17, 2012, 07:41:21 PM
http://www.thejournal.ie/oleary-the-faster-and-deeper-the-hardship-the-shorter-the-recovery-420825-Apr2012/ (http://www.thejournal.ie/oleary-the-faster-and-deeper-the-hardship-the-shorter-the-recovery-420825-Apr2012/)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on April 17, 2012, 10:43:23 PM
After reading that, if I worked in his school I would volunteer for bog all .


 Mouth !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2012, 07:47:18 PM
After reading that, if I worked in his school I would volunteer for bog all .


 Mouth !!!
Do teachers earn more on average in the south?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: oakleafgael on April 18, 2012, 07:57:02 PM
After reading that, if I worked in his school I would volunteer for bog all .


 Mouth !!!
Do teachers earn more on average in the south?

There salary would be higher than the comparabe salary in the North but take home pay wouldnt be that different for an ordinary teacher.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on April 18, 2012, 08:25:51 PM
I would be interested to see Master O'Rourke's payslip.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orchardman on April 18, 2012, 09:15:44 PM
After reading that, if I worked in his school I would volunteer for bog all .


 Mouth !!!
Do teachers earn more on average in the south?

I don't have a perm teaching job, it's a nightmare trying to even see a position to apply for, so I wouldn't be too annoyed with him for speaking out. I have subbed in the south before but i wudn't be an expert on the whole croke park deal, many seem to say it has lead to divided staff rooms.

In terms of pay, a starting teacher in the north only gets around 20k, where it was 31K euro in the south, though this may have come to 28k or so since cutbacks. Big difference though considering my mates i trained with finish teaching at end of may and have a 3 month summer holiday, i'd love to get stuck into that!

By the way, i don't totally blame just cut backs for lack of jobs, truth is there is far too many trained teachers, including myself. I qualified in 2008, and even before that i was fully aware that it was really difficult to get jobs. It's unreal the amount the people that continue to do teaching courses, even worse that the colleges get state funding for taking in such numbers
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Post by: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2012, 09:19:52 PM
Aye it is certainly strange that so many people continue to apply for teaching jobs and alsp that the colleges don't get their places slashed. There are apparently 8500 subs in the north and in 2011 just under half of them didnt get a single days subbing. That tells its own story.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 18, 2012, 09:32:46 PM
Aye it is certainly strange that so many people continue to apply for teaching jobs and alsp that the colleges don't get their places slashed. There are apparently 8500 subs in the north and in 2011 just under half of them didnt get a single days subbing. That tells its own story.

I think something has to be done about the amount of teachers churned out of all the colleges every year. At least the 4 year course is due to be brought in starting from next September or else it has started this year for current first year students. I also know many who do the online course and while it is legitimate, you'd wonder if the amount of money is worth it after all is said and done. I'm one of the lucky few who has a maternity leave this year. The panel lists are out on Monday for the redeployment of teachers in the South. It will make interesting reading.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Just Puck It on April 18, 2012, 09:48:27 PM
Aye it is certainly strange that so many people continue to apply for teaching jobs and alsp that the colleges don't get their places slashed. There are apparently 8500 subs in the north and in 2011 just under half of them didnt get a single days subbing. That tells its own story.

Not picking holes in the fact that there are far too many people being trained as teachers (I'm currently at St Mary's University College)  but you need to be aware of where the figures for these surveys come from.  The 8500 figure comes from the number of teachers who are on the subbing register, but not all of these teachers are even looking for employment.  A huge majority are those who have put in their days teaching and have taken a redundancy package, and have now placed themselves on the subbing list for odd day of teaching here or there.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orchardman on April 18, 2012, 10:10:57 PM
that's true, id say the real figure is around 4-5,000, which is still a lot. I'd imagine anyone who was really looking teaching work this year would have got at least 1 day!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 17, 2012, 09:47:32 PM
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/four-boys-including-mick-wallaces-son-expelled-over-facebook-sex-claims-about-teachers-3110904.html

What do ye make of this? Expulsion a bit harsh or not?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 17, 2012, 10:41:09 PM
The missus finally finished her school inspection yesterday! Might get a shirt ironed for work now  :)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on May 18, 2012, 08:56:25 AM
The missus finally finished her school inspection yesterday! Might get a shirt ironed for work now  :)

They didn't consider a boycott or are they not INTO members?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hardy on May 18, 2012, 09:54:40 AM
What's all the sweat about school inspections? People who work in the private sector have their work inspected every day, de facto. And there are consequences if it's not up to par.
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Post by: deiseach on May 18, 2012, 09:59:10 AM
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/four-boys-including-mick-wallaces-son-expelled-over-facebook-sex-claims-about-teachers-3110904.html

What do ye make of this? Expulsion a bit harsh or not?

No! Jesus Christ, put yourself in the position of someone being smeared in this manner on Facebook, especially someone who is in loco parentis. And you're suggesting they should have go back in and face the little shits? They should be grateful they're not in jail
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 18, 2012, 12:15:23 PM
The missus finally finished her school inspection yesterday! Might get a shirt ironed for work now  :)

They didn't consider a boycott or are they not INTO members?
Why would you boycott someone wanting to check you are doing the job you are paid to do?  :-\
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on May 18, 2012, 02:11:04 PM
The missus finally finished her school inspection yesterday! Might get a shirt ironed for work now  :)

They didn't consider a boycott or are they not INTO members?
Why would you boycott someone wanting to check you are doing the job you are paid to do?  :-\

Lawful industrial action !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on May 18, 2012, 04:02:15 PM
There gone.  Only the juniors left.  Time to get the interactive whiteboard set up for the Euro's.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on May 18, 2012, 07:54:35 PM
There gone.  Only the juniors left.  Time to get the interactive whiteboard set up for the Euro's.

Shocking.

Or maybe not. You and Evil Genius were both off that day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on May 18, 2012, 08:12:01 PM
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There gone.  Only the juniors left.  Time to get the interactive whiteboard set up for the Euro's.

Two grammatical mistakes, obviously not a real teacher!
Subtle one, FermGael.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on May 19, 2012, 09:24:23 AM
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There gone.  Only the juniors left.  Time to get the interactive whiteboard set up for the Euro's.

Two grammatical mistakes, obviously not a real teacher!
Subtle one, FermGael.

i will stick to the sums.
Noticed yesterday evening that the new interactive whiteboard has built in speakers.
Some job.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 06, 2012, 11:04:23 AM
Well somebody's about to get a handy number.......

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GTCNI Registrar/CEO

Salary range: £67,602 to £82,238

The Council is the statutory bodyforthe teaching profession and is dedicated to enhancing the status of teaching and promoting the highest standards of professional conduct and practice.

The Council is seeking to recruit a highly motivated and experienced individual to the position of Registrar/Chief Executive Officer.

ROLE & REMIT: The Registrar's role will be to build on the Council's past achievements and to lead the work of Council as it enters a new era of teacher professionalism. The Registrar will need to have outstanding leadership skills and the capacity to translate organisational vision into deliverable objectives. The Registrar will have proven ability in financial and business planning and have demonstrated significant achievements at a senior management level. The Registrar will have a detailed understanding of the education sector in Northern Ireland and the evolving culture of professional regulation. The Registrar will act as Accounting Officer and should ensure that the organisation operates effectively and to a high standard of probity within the areas of governance, decision making and financial management.

ESSENTIAL CRITERIA:

A degree or equivalent qualification.
At least 3 years' experience gained in a complex organisation, at senior management level in the public, private or voluntary sector.
Extensive experience of managing, developing and leading staff.
Experience of budgetary responsibility within a complex organisation, or a large multi functional department.
Direct, current and personal experience in relevant educational programmes and initiatives.
Experience of successfully managing and developing relationships and partnerships with external stakeholders and fulfilling an advocacy role.
The Council reserves the right to enhance shortlisting criteria should it be necessary to do so.

For an application pack or further information, please contact: Lesley Dickson on 028 9033 3390 or email via the contact button.

GTCNI,
3rd Floor, Albany House,
73-75 Great Victoria Street,
Belfast,
8T2 7AF

Closing date for returned applications is 21 June 2012.

Interviews for anyone shortlisted will take place on 2nd July

Absolute disgrace. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 07, 2012, 10:00:52 PM
16

Would it not be 15 and a half?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: john mcgill on June 08, 2012, 06:51:14 AM
TYP, I can safely predict that it is a lot more than 15 for you
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 08, 2012, 02:22:31 PM
TYP, I can safely predict that it is a lot more than 15 for you

It mustn't be when he himself is claiming 16 days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: oakleafgael on June 09, 2012, 01:32:23 PM
It seems it is impossible to get the boot.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18338742

Crumlin Integrated College pupils and parents oppose Dr Annabel Scott's return
Parents and pupils gathered at the gates of Crumlin Integrated College for the protest A protest has been held at the gates of a County Antrim school over the return of its principal, who had been suspended for two years.

Dr Annabel Scott was suspended from Crumlin Integrated College following a damning inspection report.

Parents and pupils gathered to voice their opposition to her return.

The North Eastern board said Dr Scott had undergone an "intensive training programme to address the performance issues highlighted by the inspection".

One parent, Sylvia Darragh, said they felt they had to protest because the inspection's findings were "so severe".

"It was rated 'unsatisfactory', which is the lowest rating the Education and Training Inspectorate can give a school," she said.

"Because of the abysmal job Dr Scott did originally, we feel she's not fit to come back to the school and we don't want her in charge of our children."

'Challenging time'
 
The North Eastern Education and Library Board (NEELB) said in a statement that the school's board of governors had agreed Dr Scott could resume her full-time duties, "and in doing, so be provided with the opportunity to demonstrate to the school and its community improved leadership of the school".

It said Dr Scott would continue to be provided with training and support, and the Education and Training Inspectorate would examine her report "in due course".

A spokesman said: "It is acknowledged that this is a challenging time for the staff and school community as the board of governors endeavour to meet their legal requirements in respect of supporting the principal to improve her performance.

"The North Eastern board would assure the college of its full support the coming days"
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on June 09, 2012, 05:40:47 PM
Obviously the principal takes ultimate responsibility but the teachers couldn't have been up to much either.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 09, 2012, 05:45:20 PM
Obviously the principal takes ultimate responsibility but the teachers couldn't have been up to much either.
It seems that inspections are spaced so far apart that the wheels can come off without anyone knowing about it. A couple of schools in Armagh got roasted lately too and the integrated closed down a few years ago off the back of a damning report.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 09, 2012, 07:18:41 PM
Teachers are being inspected every day of the week by parents !!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 13, 2012, 09:21:44 PM
ONeill, TYP, see your message inbox.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on June 13, 2012, 09:43:15 PM
10 days (minus the w'ends)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 14, 2012, 12:46:58 AM
I wish I was permanent. :-\
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 22, 2012, 09:39:11 PM
taken from
     http://www.guardian.co.uk/teacher-network/teacher-blog/2012/may/19/secret-teacher-letter-home    (http://www.guardian.co.uk/teacher-network/teacher-blog/2012/may/19/secret-teacher-letter-home)
Dear Mr and Mrs Parent,

I'm sorry I have to write to you, but it is important you know that your daughter is not progressing as well as she could at school. This isn't her fault, it is the school's.

I only teach your daughter one subject, RE, which she is forced to do and she isn't terribly interested in it. I see her once a week for 50 minutes. As there are 30 other students in the class this means that, if I did nothing else all lesson, I could spend about 100 seconds with her as an individual a week. To teach her, to get to know her, to understand her as a young person. But, as you well know, there are some children in her class who demand much more of my time. This inevitably means that some students will be left with nothing. Unfortunately, that applies to your child. I'll be honest, I haven't held a proper conversation with her in weeks.

I teach 400 children. Slightly more, actually, but we'll call it 400. That means your daughter counts for 0.25% of the children I teach. It is difficult for me to honestly and accurately tell you anything about her, so please forgive me if I speak in vague generalities at parents' evening and try to avoid using your daughter's name. I might have forgotten it.

I teach twenty five lessons a week. Despite my best intentions, some of these lessons are boring. To plan an outstanding lesson can take hours. I can't do that for every lesson I teach. Sometimes I stand in class delivering a lesson I know isn't as good as it could be. I know how to make it better. I just didn't have the time to do it. I don't think the children notice, they are used to this.

Schools are full of middle-management types. They like to take "learning walks" around the school and "quality control". They sit at the back of my class and want to know if the students have been told their "learning objectives" and if they are sat in a "seating plan". They believe that learning simply cannot take place if the students haven't been told what to do and where to sit. What you might consider real work: comprehension, creative writing, silent reading or a class questioning the teacher about the topic being studied is considered hopelessly old-fashioned and slightly abusive by my superiors. Instead they like almost anything involving power-points, scissors and glue. All work for students needs to be scaffolded. That means be done for them. The very notion of giving a student a task they might fail is considered child abuse. Every task must be completable within about ten minutes.

The school needs to improve, but I'm not sure it can. Common sense and trust in human communication is being forced out of the profession. A lot of teachers seem to like being told exactly what to do and how to do it. The status quo is just fine for a lot of middle and senior management too. It allows them to wield power, justify inflated salaries and be recognised by their peers as being "outstanding" teachers. A recognition the children in their classes would never give them. Never mind. They never really liked teaching children that much anyway.

I'm sorry to have to write to you like this and tell you that your daughter is under-performing. But I'm part of this system. And I had to confess.

Yours

Secret Teacher
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on July 25, 2012, 12:25:46 AM
Didn't think these reports made the news. Shows the pressure the leaderships of schools are under. The report appears to highlight just one failing aspect of the school's performance but the BT run the story.

Grammar school’s leadership rapped in damning report

School inspectors have rated the leadership and management at Larne Grammar School as “inadequate”.

The damning report by the Education and Training Inspectorate states:

In important aspects of leadership and management, including governance, there is insufficient improvement since the standard inspection;

The school’s process of self-evaluation leading to improvement is not making a significant impact on improving the overall quality of education in the school;

The current CEIAG (careers education, information, advice and guidance) programme lacks coherence;

Important aspects of strategic leadership and management, including governance, remain inadequate.

The school’s senior leadership team, including the principal and the board of governors, have been ordered to “improve significantly the poor working relationships that exist between and among a significant minority of the teaching staff, the SLT and the governors”, and “improve the quality of the provision for CEIAG”.

However, inspectors pointed out that the standards attained by pupils at A-level have improved from below the Northern Ireland average for similar schools to above the NI average. ETI rated the overall quality of education as “satisfactory” — the fourth lowest of six possible grades, unchanged from an inspection in 2010.

Inspectors warned “in important aspects of management, including governance, there is insufficient improvement since the standard inspection and significant areas for improvement remain to be addressed”.

It is the second blow for the school this year after teacher Julie Muldrew successfully won a case against the board of governors that she had been “unlawfully and indirectly discriminated against” on gender grounds. She was awarded £5,000 compensation.

The Belfast Telegraph on Monday tried to contact several members of the board of governors by phone and email but they were not immediately available for comment.

To get a copy of the report go to www.etini.gov.uk/index/inspection-reports/inspection-reports-post-primary/inspection-reports-post-primary-2012/follow-up-inspection-larne-grammar-school-co-antrim.pdf

Background

Larne Grammar is a co-educational voluntary grammar school that caters for 741 pupils aged 11-19. One of the proposals in the area plans published by the North Eastern Education and Library Board this month is for Larne High School and Larne Grammar School to establish a partnership, leading to the creation of one co-educational school for 1,200 pupils.



Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/education/grammar-schoolrsquos-leadership-rapped-in-damning-report-16189040.html?r=RSS#ixzz21aLw6t39
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 25, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
Just on O'Neil's post regarding the last part. the teacher taking the school on in relation to “unlawfully and indirectly discriminated against” was that for a job within the school she went for?

It's just that I know a teacher who is doing something similar at their school. Three of them went for a job and based on the criteria and job description the teacher felt that he/she was best placed for the job, though during the interview the line of questions did not relate to the job description. He/she didn't get the job and has started legal procedures against the principle.

I find the teachers actions crazy, plenty people go for jobs and the interview sometimes doesn't go the way it was intended but when you don't get it, that's that, take it on the chin and move on. Will it be difficult for the teacher to work in that environment after the case gets seen?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: 02 on August 24, 2012, 09:53:49 PM
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Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2012, 07:52:37 AM
So when is everyone back? I'm back on Thursday in my new job.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: the Deel Rover on August 27, 2012, 07:57:38 AM
So when is everyone back? I'm back on Thursday in my new job.

Fair play deelin did you get a job in Mayo ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2012, 08:00:03 AM
So when is everyone back? I'm back on Thursday in my new job.

Fair play deelin did you get a job in Mayo ?

I sure did. Around 20 minutes from the house.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: the Deel Rover on August 27, 2012, 08:01:21 AM
So when is everyone back? I'm back on Thursday in my new job.

Fair play deelin did you get a job in Mayo ?

I sure did. Around 20 minutes from the house.

Thats's great good luck with it .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on August 27, 2012, 08:30:42 AM
So when is everyone back? I'm back on Thursday in my new job.

Fair play deelin did you get a job in Mayo ?

I sure did. Around 20 minutes from the house.

So it's true then. Teachers do get it handy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 27, 2012, 08:33:54 AM
Back tomorrow. Sure it's not long til Halloween anyway.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on August 27, 2012, 08:55:06 AM
Won't be long now!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 27, 2012, 08:55:44 AM
Back tomorrow. Sure it's not long til Halloween anyway.
Back to fish fingers and oven chips from tomorrow for me too!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on August 27, 2012, 11:06:52 AM
Great news about your job far.

Congrats and good luck for it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on August 27, 2012, 01:06:40 PM
ill be joining this illustrious band next year hahaha!!

lads going to Liverpool Hope in 2 weeks time to do my Primary PGCE; anybody any advice for me?? any things i should be doing? and more importantly where to watch the All-Ireland final and would i have time (with my course) to join a local GAA club to help coach and such as my playing days are over?? wolfe tones are just a 19 minute walk away?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on August 27, 2012, 01:27:47 PM
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anybody any advice for me?

Sure; let up on the question marks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: supersarsfields on August 28, 2012, 02:45:02 PM
ill be joining this illustrious band next year hahaha!!

lads going to Liverpool Hope in 2 weeks time to do my Primary PGCE; anybody any advice for me?? any things i should be doing? and more importantly where to watch the All-Ireland final and would i have time (with my course) to join a local GAA club to help coach and such as my playing days are over?? wolfe tones are just a 19 minute walk away?

I'd say either Mitchells or Wolfe Tones would be more than glad to get someone involved in the club. Prob more scope in Mitchells as they have decent under age setup and ladies teams. If you're looking contact details drop me a PM and I can send ya details.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 28, 2012, 03:04:46 PM
Complications..... >:(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 07, 2012, 08:03:00 PM
ill be joining this illustrious band next year hahaha!!

lads going to Liverpool Hope in 2 weeks time to do my Primary PGCE; anybody any advice for me?? any things i should be doing? and more importantly where to watch the All-Ireland final and would i have time (with my course) to join a local GAA club to help coach and such as my playing days are over?? wolfe tones are just a 19 minute walk away?

I'd say either Mitchells or Wolfe Tones would be more than glad to get someone involved in the club. Prob more scope in Mitchells as they have decent under age setup and ladies teams. If you're looking contact details drop me a PM and I can send ya details.

Welcome to Liverpool theticklemister, there is some crowd of Irish over there. Ya will hardly know your in England at all.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on September 08, 2012, 12:06:50 AM
One week done. All downhill now.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Dougal Maguire on September 08, 2012, 12:36:47 AM


You're not wrong there. After a week being back my missus is about ready for another holiday. Thank God I've booked a few days in Killarney at Halloween for the Horslips gig







Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on September 08, 2012, 01:12:43 PM
ill be joining this illustrious band next year hahaha!!

lads going to Liverpool Hope in 2 weeks time to do my Primary PGCE; anybody any advice for me?? any things i should be doing? and more importantly where to watch the All-Ireland final and would i have time (with my course) to join a local GAA club to help coach and such as my playing days are over?? wolfe tones are just a 19 minute walk away?

I'd say either Mitchells or Wolfe Tones would be more than glad to get someone involved in the club. Prob more scope in Mitchells as they have decent under age setup and ladies teams. If you're looking contact details drop me a PM and I can send ya details.

Welcome to Liverpool theticklemister, there is some crowd of Irish over there. Ya will hardly know your in England at all.

Good man Mayo!!! Hi where will be the best place to watch the final??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 08, 2012, 09:48:23 PM
ill be joining this illustrious band next year hahaha!!

lads going to Liverpool Hope in 2 weeks time to do my Primary PGCE; anybody any advice for me?? any things i should be doing? and more importantly where to watch the All-Ireland final and would i have time (with my course) to join a local GAA club to help coach and such as my playing days are over?? wolfe tones are just a 19 minute walk away?

I'd say either Mitchells or Wolfe Tones would be more than glad to get someone involved in the club. Prob more scope in Mitchells as they have decent under age setup and ladies teams. If you're looking contact details drop me a PM and I can send ya details.

Welcome to Liverpool theticklemister, there is some crowd of Irish over there. Ya will hardly know your in England at all.

Good man Mayo!!! Hi where will be the best place to watch the final??
Croke Park.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2012, 02:55:05 PM
Happy World Teachers Day.  :P

I'm sick at home so that's why I'm posting before 3 o'clock.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 05, 2012, 07:26:07 PM
Happy World Teachers Day.  :P

I'm sick at home so that's why I'm posting before 3 o'clock.

3 weeks into my primary pgce here; getting er alright at the minute. I think when ye go on placement it all starts to kick off.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2012, 08:38:47 PM
Happy World Teachers Day.  :P

I'm sick at home so that's why I'm posting before 3 o'clock.

I refused to buy any cards, only found out when I went to J'town today for class that they were celebrating teachers, Hallmark think of everything ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on October 06, 2012, 01:38:02 AM
Also National Vodka day. Maybe just an innocent coincidence....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 06, 2012, 09:40:52 AM
I was celebratung that last night but I didn't know it was a national holiday
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Worker on October 10, 2012, 12:07:00 PM
Some good news on the local teaching front,

New teaching jobs being created by NI Executive


Plans to provide employment for newly qualified teachers in Northern Ireland are to be announced later.

A number will be offered two-year contracts to provide one-on-one tuition for children and young people who are struggling with basic skills such as literacy.

The Ulster Teachers' Union said it was a "welcome initiative" that would help to raise standards.

A scheme to create health intervention posts will also be announced.

BBC NI political editor Mark Devenport said the announcements were designed to create employment in an innovative way.

"One of the initiatives will be to provide employment to newly qualified young teachers who haven't been able to find employment in schools - there are quite a few of them because the system was turning out too many of them," he said.

"The idea is obviously that you try to give some of the skills to those who have fallen through the cracks of the system and at the same time give some experience to the young teachers who are finding it hard to get on the first rung of the employment ladder. The idea is that you solve two problems with the one measure."


 
Avril Hall Callaghan, from the Ulster Teachers' Union, welcomed the move, saying: "We're just delighted that there can be a scheme that will give employment to young teachers because at present we have an aging teaching workforce.

"Only 12% of teachers in schools at the moment are under the age of 30 and yet we have something like 4,000 young teachers who have qualified in recent years with no jobs."

She said the idea of the scheme was to "free up" places for young teachers by allowing people who are older to exit the teaching profession.

Ms Hall Callaghan said the scheme was about "raising standards, reinvigorating the workforce and targeting areas of social disadvantage".

Another initiative due to be announced is a scheme involving health intervention staff working in deprived areas with around 1,200 families who need help across Northern Ireland.

First Minister Peter Robinson and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness will give more details about the jobs at Stormont.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 07, 2012, 09:58:08 PM
You going for one of these £125k pa jobs advertised on front of the IN today?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on November 07, 2012, 11:32:07 PM
125 grand not bad but would ye want to walk into a school where a bunch of weemen are fighting ad bitching amongst each other????
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on December 10, 2012, 07:15:27 PM
Anyone have information on the use of summative or formative assessment they wouldn't mind emailing me? Would help a lot when doing this essay! Doing a PGCE at the moment.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 10, 2012, 08:02:30 PM
Anyone have information on the use of summative or formative assessment they wouldn't mind emailing me? Would help a lot when doing this essay! Doing a PGCE at the moment.
Use google you lazy hoor.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on March 11, 2013, 09:41:32 PM
Hi lads, me mate is doing an essay on the provision of geography in the classroom as a primary pgce assignment. He is doing my head in since I got great help from a board member here earlier in the year with history and he wants the same. If so pm me so he can stop doing my head in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2013, 09:45:20 PM
Hi lads, me mate is doing an essay on the provision of geography in the classroom as a primary pgce assignment. He is doing my head in since I got great help from a board member here earlier in the year with history and he wants the same. If so pm me so he can stop doing my head in.
Who got you the history stuff? Ask them to ask a geography teacher.

Get it handy alright... ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on March 11, 2013, 09:49:27 PM
Hi lads, me mate is doing an essay on the provision of geography in the classroom as a primary pgce assignment. He is doing my head in since I got great help from a board member here earlier in the year with history and he wants the same. If so pm me so he can stop doing my head in.
Who got you the history stuff? Ask them to ask a geography teacher.

Get it handy alright... ;)

He is sitting beside me now calling ye all the names of the day.

Ah i don't give names out now!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2013, 09:51:44 PM
Hi lads, me mate is doing an essay on the provision of geography in the classroom as a primary pgce assignment. He is doing my head in since I got great help from a board member here earlier in the year with history and he wants the same. If so pm me so he can stop doing my head in.
Who got you the history stuff? Ask them to ask a geography teacher.

Get it handy alright... ;)

He is sitting beside me now calling ye all the names of the day.

Ah i don't give names out now!!!
I don't care who, I mean ask that person! If yis did less f**king Harlem Shake and drinking Buckfasht youse would have more time for hitting the books.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on March 11, 2013, 09:57:30 PM
Hi lads, me mate is doing an essay on the provision of geography in the classroom as a primary pgce assignment. He is doing my head in since I got great help from a board member here earlier in the year with history and he wants the same. If so pm me so he can stop doing my head in.
Who got you the history stuff? Ask them to ask a geography teacher.

Get it handy alright... ;)

He is sitting beside me now calling ye all the names of the day.

Ah i don't give names out now!!!
I don't care who, I mean ask that person! If yis did less f**king Harlem Shake and drinking Buckfasht youse would have more time for hitting the books.

Still don't know what the harlem shake is; and I have yet to touch the buckfast in the 2012/13 student season.

Tony are ye wan of those cranky oul teachers??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on March 11, 2013, 10:19:07 PM
Tony is obsessed with the teaching profession and this thread in particular!!!

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2013, 10:23:09 PM
Tony is obsessed with the teaching profession and this thread in particular!!!
Should you not be marking sums or correcting spelling?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on March 12, 2013, 12:34:05 AM
Tony is obsessed with the teaching profession and this thread in particular!!!
Should you not be marking sums or correcting spelling?

  What did I tell ye !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on March 12, 2013, 10:49:20 AM
Teachers get it handy, unless their principal is a vindictive evil b**tard ****.







PS. I'm not a teacher!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on March 12, 2013, 10:51:22 AM
Teachers get it handy, unless their principal is a vindictive evil b**tard ****.

I thought those were essential qualifications for principalships?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: LeoMc on March 12, 2013, 11:28:52 AM
Teachers get it handy, unless their principal is a vindictive evil b**tard ****.







PS. I'm not a teacher!

Have you been talking to TYP?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on March 12, 2013, 12:59:18 PM
No. Should I?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 22, 2013, 10:01:28 PM
Won't be long now !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on June 22, 2013, 10:03:59 PM
Won't be long now !!!
Said the rabbi at the circumcision....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: the green man on June 23, 2013, 09:54:20 AM
Any secondary school geography teachers on here?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 10:39:42 AM
Any secondary school geography teachers on here?
Been a while since you've been about!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on June 23, 2013, 10:48:33 AM
Any secondary school geography teachers on here?

My wife's friend is one.  The same one who thought Clonmel was just outside Naas.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: the green man on June 23, 2013, 11:05:59 AM
Any secondary school geography teachers on here?
Been a while since you've been about!

I only get let out now and again
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 04:46:23 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on June 23, 2013, 06:33:52 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

Have one also; a pile of shit.

3 days left and im a teacher, wop-de-do!

Jim Stynes good man for helping me out earlier in the year; got a decent mark with your information.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on June 23, 2013, 08:32:43 PM
My dad (a retired hisory teacher) has two - MA and MPhil which he did during his teaching career. he just loved and still loves all the research. Nothing to do with job, just passion for history.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 23, 2013, 09:22:51 PM
My dad (a retired hisory teacher) has two - MA and MPhil which he did during his teaching career. he just loved and still loves all the research. Nothing to do with job, just passion for history.

I assume your Mum was not an English teacher? lol
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2013, 10:11:36 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

Have one also; a pile of shit.

3 days left and im a teacher, wop-de-do!

Jim Stynes good man for helping me out earlier in the year; got a decent mark with your information.

Good man ticklemister, you're soon joining the great gaaboard teaching community :D. Fáilte Romhat.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 10:16:10 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

This is my fear that it will be a waste of time. I have a module to do this summer, one in jan 14, one next summer and then a full year to complete the dissertation. It's in Ed Management adn School Organisation. My principal said I would see the benefits from it when I am looking to apply for management roles in schools. I am dreading it but I dont have children at the minute so it is probably the best time to do it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 10:18:23 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

Have one also; a pile of shit.

3 days left and im a teacher, wop-de-do!

Jim Stynes good man for helping me out earlier in the year; got a decent mark with your information.

Good man!! No problem at all. Are you coming home to look work? I know a load of boys away to the Middle East to teach and theyre getting paid a lot more than you get here!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on June 23, 2013, 10:29:12 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

Have one also; a pile of shit.

3 days left and im a teacher, wop-de-do!

Jim Stynes good man for helping me out earlier in the year; got a decent mark with your information.

Good man!! No problem at all. Are you coming home to look work? I know a load of boys away to the Middle East to teach and theyre getting paid a lot more than you get here!!

probably back here in lpool. wains are wee friggers but fell into a great bunch of lads with the new gaa club.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on June 23, 2013, 10:31:19 PM
John Lennon's GAC.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 10:36:04 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

This is my fear that it will be a waste of time. I have a module to do this summer, one in jan 14, one next summer and then a full year to complete the dissertation. It's in Ed Management adn School Organisation. My principal said I would see the benefits from it when I am looking to apply for management roles in schools. I am dreading it but I dont have children at the minute so it is probably the best time to do it.
The missus says yes it will be worth it for school mgt posts so better doing it now.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on June 23, 2013, 10:38:08 PM
I think the late, great SaffronSam2 once referred to "greasey pole climbers".
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 10:39:42 PM
I think the late, great SaffronSam2 once referred to "greasey pole climbers".
;D. Fcukin stu.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: scoopmine on June 23, 2013, 10:58:06 PM
I'm about to start the PDE in Trinity in August. Hope to join all the rest of these teachers!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 24, 2013, 12:32:29 AM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

This is my fear that it will be a waste of time. I have a module to do this summer, one in jan 14, one next summer and then a full year to complete the dissertation. It's in Ed Management adn School Organisation. My principal said I would see the benefits from it when I am looking to apply for management roles in schools. I am dreading it but I dont have children at the minute so it is probably the best time to do it.
The missus says yes it will be worth it for school mgt posts so better doing it now.

School management posts are fast becoming not worth the effort

Too much paperwork involved

Teachers in the North are giving them up

They amount to about an extra £7 per day
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on June 24, 2013, 12:49:00 AM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

This is my fear that it will be a waste of time. I have a module to do this summer, one in jan 14, one next summer and then a full year to complete the dissertation. It's in Ed Management adn School Organisation. My principal said I would see the benefits from it when I am looking to apply for management roles in schools. I am dreading it but I dont have children at the minute so it is probably the best time to do it.
The missus says yes it will be worth it for school mgt posts so better doing it now.

School management posts are fast becoming not worth the effort

Too much paperwork involved


Teachers in the North are giving them up

They amount to about an extra £7 per day
Define "too much" for the extra £2500 per annum.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 24, 2013, 07:04:27 AM
It s not an extra 2500 per annul.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 24, 2013, 09:08:52 AM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

This is my fear that it will be a waste of time. I have a module to do this summer, one in jan 14, one next summer and then a full year to complete the dissertation. It's in Ed Management adn School Organisation. My principal said I would see the benefits from it when I am looking to apply for management roles in schools. I am dreading it but I dont have children at the minute so it is probably the best time to do it.
The missus says yes it will be worth it for school mgt posts so better doing it now.

School management posts are fast becoming not worth the effort

Too much paperwork involved

Teachers in the North are giving them up

They amount to about an extra £7 per day

Add to that list vindicative stupid lying principals backed up by a spineless board of governors.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on June 24, 2013, 10:34:23 AM
It s not an extra 2500 per annul.

Teaching Allowances start at £1,847 for TA1 and move up to TA5: £11,911
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Dougal Maguire on June 28, 2013, 04:08:19 PM
I'd advise the ordinary folk to stay in tonight and not be going to the boozer as the place will be full of teachers on their end of year bash. They won't have been out since Christmas so they'll have a fierce thirst on them. Be bored to tears as you watch them take up kitties every 30 minutes cos the cnuts are too mean to put in anything more that a fiver a time. Laugh your arse off as before they leave they ask the bar men to bottle the drink they haven't drunk, cos they were too mean to miss a round being bought with the kitty regardless of what they had in front of them.  The only plus is that they'll all be gone by 11 as they'll be up early to catch the last boat to France before the summer fares kick in
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 28, 2013, 04:30:08 PM
I'd advise the ordinary folk to stay in tonight and not be going to the boozer as the place will be full of teachers on their end of year bash. They won't have been out since Christmas so they'll have a fierce thirst on them. Be bored to tears as you watch them take up kitties every 30 minutes cos the cnuts are too mean to put in anything more that a fiver a time. Laugh your arse off as before they leave they ask the bar men to bottle the drink they haven't drunk, cos they were too mean to miss a round being bought with the kitty regardless of what they had in front of them.  The only plus is that they'll all be gone by 11 as they'll be up early to catch the last boat to France before the summer fares kick in

  Stay you at home then!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 28, 2013, 06:29:30 PM
Great feeling to have the holidays today all right. ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on June 28, 2013, 07:06:08 PM
Great feeling to have the holidays today all right. ;D

#wasters
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on January 17, 2014, 01:04:47 AM
Lads im supply teaching in England at minute and with Key Portfolio umbrella group. They take about 30-40 quid a week from my wages for  a handling fee and NIC but on the plus side all my expenses are tax free. However as my schools are quite close i dont have much expenses. Im losing money. Has anyone ever dealt with this before? Can you stop using an Umbrela company?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: supersarsfields on January 17, 2014, 10:03:49 AM
Work in recruitment and we have used umbrella companies in the past for payruns. But to be honest they're more benefit to the agency than to the candidate, as the agency saves more money by ofsetting some of the expenses. They're a legal loophole and I'd be fairly confident that they'll be gone in a few years. The government are already tighting the noose. (We had to change companies last year as the one we were with was closed overnight!)
If your working through an agency you might be able to request to withdraw from the umbrella company and get paid direct from the agency. We offer both opportunities to candidates. But I know some agencies only offer the umbrella option so that might not be possible.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on January 17, 2014, 12:42:13 PM
They are a bunch of cowboys Ted!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: supersarsfields on January 17, 2014, 12:56:53 PM
Yip, the ones I've dealt with are complete gangsters. You'd need to watch every payslip, and keep an eye on your holiday entitlements.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: scoopmine on February 04, 2014, 09:31:14 PM
Hey lads anyone finish the PDE and head across the water here. Looking at London in September as there is a slim chance of anything coming up.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 06, 2014, 11:23:46 PM
An Roinn Oideachais, Teach Ráth Giall, 43 Bóthar Bhaile Aodha, Ráth Giall, Beannchar, Co an Dúin BT19 7PR

Department of Education, Rathgael House, 43 Balloo Road, Rathgill, Bangor, Co Down BT19 7PR

Männystrie o Lear, Rathgael Hoose, 43 Balloo Róad, Rathgill, Bang’r, Coontie Doon BT19 7PR
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 07, 2014, 08:43:35 PM
Any of ye privileged to get the week off for the mid-term?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on February 07, 2014, 08:57:29 PM
Any of ye privileged to get the week off for the mid-term?
Another week off? Sure yer only back after Christmas holidays what would you want another week off for? It's not like ye work that hard.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 07, 2014, 09:14:34 PM
Any of ye privileged to get the week off for the mid-term?

Yip, we get off next Friday for a well deserved week off   ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 07, 2014, 10:49:21 PM
Any of ye privileged to get the week off for the mid-term?
Another week off? Sure yer only back after Christmas holidays what would you want another week off for? It's not like ye work that hard.
Don't worry LL, I only get 2 days!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Syferus on February 07, 2014, 11:16:38 PM
My history teacher from Nathy's died at 56 last week from Motor Neurone Disease, Father Andrew Finan. He was the only teacher I had all five years.

We drove him absolutely mental and he couldn't control a class for love or money but he has a wealth of knowledge and passion. He'd talk openly about almost any topic with students, from his appreciation of the Simpsons, to his love of Jeff Sterling and the Sky Sports News match-day show to the sillier aspects of Catholicism. He was intelligent in an earthy, unpretentious way that very few people I have met are. He always seemed like he was happiest when he was sharing his passions with others.

He was one of the only teachers who was more concerned about teaching than he was about getting students over the Leaving Cert and, honestly, when all the other memories of classes and fretting over points long since have faded I'll always remember the passion he had, it was special.

http://www.stnathys.com/?page_id=3989

Robur Nathaei.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 07, 2014, 11:23:27 PM
Any of ye privileged to get the week off for the mid-term?
Another week off? Sure yer only back after Christmas holidays what would you want another week off for? It's not like ye work that hard.
Don't worry LL, I only get 2 days!

And are ye getting paid for these days?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 07, 2014, 11:28:34 PM
He was intelligent in an earthy, unpretentious way that very few people I have met are. He always seemed like he was happiest when he was sharing his passions with others.

He was one of the only teachers who was more concerned about teaching than he was about getting students over the Leaving Cert and, honestly, when all the other memories of classes and fretting over points long since have faded I'll always remember the passion he had, it was special.


I think the penny is dropping finally that this is real teaching. A good teacher can get a good pupil the top grade at A Level/Leaving Cert. An exceptional teacher can do that and make the experience enjoyable.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 07, 2014, 11:41:13 PM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 08, 2014, 12:02:26 AM
Dont know why we give it so bad to teachers, alot on here am sure had a chance to become teachers, i could off, but it wasnt for me, and decided on a building bckground finally ending up as a building surveyor.I knew the holidays, it was what my parents wanted me to do but wasnt my thing. Yes i look on on the good holidays especially in the summer with abit of envy but dont really give out about cause i could went down that path if i had wished.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 12:24:17 AM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

And your point is?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 01:03:26 AM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

And your point is?

Seriously overpaid for the hours they actually work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 01:11:55 AM
We're fackin rich.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 01:19:40 AM
We're fackin rich.

Saying you are overpaid is not the same as saying you are rich.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 01:20:26 AM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

And your point is?

Seriously overpaid for the hours they actually work.

But teachers don't get €59,359 or €78,610. Maybe you should do it if its so easy and well paid?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on February 08, 2014, 01:36:00 AM
But teachers don't get €59,359 or €78,610. Maybe you should do it if its so easy and well paid?

In 26 of the rain sodden counties of this island €59,359 is in fact the top of the scale for teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 01:39:36 AM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

And your point is?

Seriously overpaid for the hours they actually work.

But teachers don't get €59,359 or €78,610. Maybe you should do it if its so easy and well paid?

I already have a career.

You could say those 12 additional weeks holidays are perks which should be taxed. Why does the Irish state pay people to be on holidays so often? Perhaps teachers should have to do 12 weeks of labour in kind for the Irish state to earn the pay of these 12 extra weeks. Another option would be to pay them the same rate as people on the dole for 12 weeks a year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Syferus on February 08, 2014, 01:48:27 AM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

And your point is?

Seriously overpaid for the hours they actually work.

But teachers don't get €59,359 or €78,610. Maybe you should do it if its so easy and well paid?

I already have a career.

You could say those 12 additional weeks holidays are perks which should be taxed. Why does the Irish state pay people to be on holidays so often? Perhaps teachers should have to do 12 weeks of labour in kind for the Irish state to earn the pay of these 12 extra weeks. Another option would be to pay them the same rate as people on the dole for 12 weeks a year.

Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 01:51:03 AM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

And your point is?

Seriously overpaid for the hours they actually work.

But teachers don't get €59,359 or €78,610. Maybe you should do it if its so easy and well paid?

I already have a career.

You could say those 12 additional weeks holidays are perks which should be taxed. Why does the Irish state pay people to be on holidays so often? Perhaps teachers should have to do 12 weeks of labour in kind for the Irish state to earn the pay of these 12 extra weeks. Another option would be to pay them the same rate as people on the dole for 12 weeks a year.

Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

It is clearly wrong that other sections of Irish society have to fund this luxury, especially in times of economic hardship.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 06:34:31 AM
But you've made up an imaginary salary, just to get annoyed about it. Your calculations are nonsense and you are obviously very frustrated in your own career that you look on another with such envy. I doubt it's the teachers that have got Irelands finances into the mess that its in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on February 08, 2014, 08:28:40 AM
I doubt it's the teachers that have got Irelands finances into the mess that its in.
Having recently worked on local authority budgets, i can tell you that even if they were all paid €59k, the teachers are far down the pecking order of well paid public employees. So many local authority staff are ridiculously well paid.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: THE MIGHTY QUINN on February 08, 2014, 09:41:47 AM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

And your point is?

Seriously overpaid for the hours they actually work.

But teachers don't get €59,359 or €78,610. Maybe you should do it if its so easy and well paid?
Well if teachers don't earn that amount, then it's a disgrace.  My wife earns less than £50K as a teacher in the North, it's a disgrace when you consider what she has to do.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 10:40:02 AM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

And your point is?

Seriously overpaid for the hours they actually work.

But teachers don't get €59,359 or €78,610. Maybe you should do it if its so easy and well paid?
Well if teachers don't earn that amount, then it's a disgrace.  My wife earns less than £50K as a teacher in the North, it's a disgrace when you consider what she has to do.

In the north how much holidays do they get, they get considerable less time off am I right? I have no issue in paying teachers for time worked.

What does she have to do, does she work with more difficult people than police, medical professionals, health professionals, social work, fire, military etc. who work full time?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 10:42:46 AM
I doubt it's the teachers that have got Irelands finances into the mess that its in.
Having recently worked on local authority budgets, i can tell you that even if they were all paid €59k, the teachers are far down the pecking order of well paid public employees. So many local authority staff are ridiculously well paid.

Rois, there lies in a major problem. There are too many people shielded from austerity that others have had to bare the brunt. There are many other areas of the public and private sector were people are underpaid.

Bennyharp, I used have a few teachers who used boast how they would never get the sack (as their jobs were secure) and all the holidays they would get. Many of those teachers were good but several were useless and more interested in their farm, their private business (shop etc.) or their long trips away following the ROI soccer team around Europe for the summer.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: michaelg on February 08, 2014, 10:56:22 AM
People who have not worked in the teaching profession really don't have a clue.  I worked as a teacher in England for 8 1/2 years, and although the holidays are allocated differently, I think I'm right in saying that all UK teachers get approximately 13 weeks off per year (i.e. Approximately 65 working days).  When I worked as a teacher, a significant amount of this time off was spent working.  In the 39 remaining working weeks of the year, I would estimate that I worked approximately 60 hours per week, with this rising in the run-up to deadlines for submission of coursework etc.  Given what I was being paid, I don't think I was getting a particularly good deal.  Coupled with the ridiculous expectations placed on you relating to targets, together with the constant criticism that teachers are subjected to, I would not recommend a career in teaching to anyone. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 11:17:20 AM
I get something like 32000 a year after 14 years of teaching. That's more than enough. I could seek more if I wanted to through promotion etc but not interested. There's more to life than work and money.

 Teachers are quare moaners. Try digging a hole.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 11:30:16 AM
I doubt it's the teachers that have got Irelands finances into the mess that its in.
Having recently worked on local authority budgets, i can tell you that even if they were all paid €59k, the teachers are far down the pecking order of well paid public employees. So many local authority staff are ridiculously well paid.

Rois, there lies in a major problem. There are too many people shielded from austerity that others have had to bare the brunt. There are many other areas of the public and private sector were people are underpaid.

Bennyharp, I used have a few teachers who used boast how they would never get the sack (as their jobs were secure) and all the holidays they would get. Many of those teachers were good but several were useless and more interested in their farm, their private business (shop etc.) or their long trips away following the ROI soccer team around Europe for the summer.

I'm sure plenty of people you work with in the private sector are useless too. But it doesn't
mean everyone else is overpaid.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 11:39:42 AM
I doubt it's the teachers that have got Irelands finances into the mess that its in.
Having recently worked on local authority budgets, i can tell you that even if they were all paid €59k, the teachers are far down the pecking order of well paid public employees. So many local authority staff are ridiculously well paid.

Rois, there lies in a major problem. There are too many people shielded from austerity that others have had to bare the brunt. There are many other areas of the public and private sector were people are underpaid.

Bennyharp, I used have a few teachers who used boast how they would never get the sack (as their jobs were secure) and all the holidays they would get. Many of those teachers were good but several were useless and more interested in their farm, their private business (shop etc.) or their long trips away following the ROI soccer team around Europe for the summer.

I'm sure plenty of people you work with in the private sector are useless too. But it doesn't
mean everyone else is overpaid.

I work in the public sector.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: michaelg on February 08, 2014, 11:44:49 AM
I get something like 32000 a year after 14 years of teaching. That's more than enough. I could seek more if I wanted to through promotion etc but not interested. There's more to life than work and money.

 Teachers are quare moaners. Try digging a hole.
More or less everyone moans about your their job.  Fair play to you if you are happy in yours.  When I worked as a teacher, I just found it a little annoying that people from outside the teaching profession regularly passed comment on teachers' holidays and pay etc, with little or no understanding of what the job actually entailed.
Incidentally, how long on average would you find yourself having to work per week to keep your head above water?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 11:51:33 AM
I doubt it's the teachers that have got Irelands finances into the mess that its in.
Having recently worked on local authority budgets, i can tell you that even if they were all paid €59k, the teachers are far down the pecking order of well paid public employees. So many local authority staff are ridiculously well paid.

Rois, there lies in a major problem. There are too many people shielded from austerity that others have had to bare the brunt. There are many other areas of the public and private sector were people are underpaid.

Bennyharp, I used have a few teachers who used boast how they would never get the sack (as their jobs were secure) and all the holidays they would get. Many of those teachers were good but several were useless and more interested in their farm, their private business (shop etc.) or their long trips away following the ROI soccer team around Europe for the summer.

I'm sure plenty of people you work with in the private sector are useless too. But it doesn't
mean everyone else is overpaid.

I work in the public sector.

Well I know nothing about your job but I think you are overpaid.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 11:58:46 AM
I doubt it's the teachers that have got Irelands finances into the mess that its in.
Having recently worked on local authority budgets, i can tell you that even if they were all paid €59k, the teachers are far down the pecking order of well paid public employees. So many local authority staff are ridiculously well paid.

Rois, there lies in a major problem. There are too many people shielded from austerity that others have had to bare the brunt. There are many other areas of the public and private sector were people are underpaid.

Bennyharp, I used have a few teachers who used boast how they would never get the sack (as their jobs were secure) and all the holidays they would get. Many of those teachers were good but several were useless and more interested in their farm, their private business (shop etc.) or their long trips away following the ROI soccer team around Europe for the summer.

I'm sure plenty of people you work with in the private sector are useless too. But it doesn't
mean everyone else is overpaid.

I work in the public sector.

Well I know nothing about your job but I think you are overpaid.

My teacher friends would disagree with you, in fact they would say I am underpaid. Then again they are used to my questioning of teachers holidays and they of course know my area of work. They have long moved beyond defending their holidays to gloating about them, to make an attempt at winning this old argument.

Personally I do not want additional pay, I am more annoyed at resources being removed from my area of work, pushing to the limits the standard of service we can provide and the worsening working conditions.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 12:12:57 PM
Right, I am going to lay off the teachers for a while. I believe a high percentage do a good job and many deal with challenging behaviour (as does many many other people in their job), my gripe is the amount they get paid for time not actually worked. I have respect for most teachers despite what it may have appeared from my last few posts, that does not take from my annoyance at public funded holidays. Funds that could be spent on improving public services.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 12:25:16 PM
Right, I am going to lay off the teachers for a while. I believe a high percentage do a good job and many deal with challenging behaviour (as does many many other people in their job), my gripe is the amount they get paid for time not actually worked. I have respect for most teachers despite what it may have appeared from my last few posts, that does not take from my annoyance at public funded holidays. Funds that could be spent on improving public services.

My last point on the topic too - if teachers only got paid for the hours they were in school or college and didn't have to do anything outside of those hours then I would absolutely agree that they are over paid. What you fail to want to acknowledge is the many hours outside those hours that are not officially paid for - in effect the better, more conscientious teachers who spend time planning and marking etc get paid less for their time than the lazy ones you seem to have experience of.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 12:40:59 PM
I get something like 32000 a year after 14 years of teaching. That's more than enough. I could seek more if I wanted to through promotion etc but not interested. There's more to life than work and money.

 Teachers are quare moaners. Try digging a hole.
More or less everyone moans about your their job.  Fair play to you if you are happy in yours.  When I worked as a teacher, I just found it a little annoying that people from outside the teaching profession regularly passed comment on teachers' holidays and pay etc, with little or no understanding of what the job actually entailed.
Incidentally, how long on average would you find yourself having to work per week to keep your head above water?

Couldn't put a number on it. As you said, it can change from month to month. For me, from late March to early July it's 6/7 days a week mostly, really stepping it up in June (every waking second) as I'm an examiner but that's my choice. In terms of weekly - 23 hrs class time, say 10 hours home prep, 6/7 hours for in-school prep and meetings. But it doesn't feel like keeping my head above water - apart from getting called Harry Hill or other types of shenanigans that comes with the territory of teaching in an inner-city secondary school - it's what I want to do and I hope I'm still enjoying it in 10 years time. There seems to be a real burn-out at around 50-52 so I'll hold back on declaring anything about my future.

If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 12:44:45 PM
Right, I am going to lay off the teachers for a while. I believe a high percentage do a good job and many deal with challenging behaviour (as does many many other people in their job), my gripe is the amount they get paid for time not actually worked. I have respect for most teachers despite what it may have appeared from my last few posts, that does not take from my annoyance at public funded holidays. Funds that could be spent on improving public services.

My last point on the topic too - if teachers only got paid for the hours they were in school or college and didn't have to do anything outside of those hours then I would absolutely agree that they are over paid. What you fail to want to acknowledge is the many hours outside those hours that are not officially paid for - in effect the better, more conscientious teachers who spend time planning and marking etc get paid less for their time than the lazy ones you seem to have experience of.

I acknowledge that many (maybe most) teachers are conscientious. I acknowledge many use their own time after their working day has ended to complete work related tasks. I remember teachers used to have free classes, I presume all use this time to try and get through some of those tasks, and do not take them as extra breaks.

In the ROI and in the UK, how much class time does an average teacher work each week?

Many other public (and private) sector employees work through their breaks, work hours of unpaid overtime on a regular basis, work unsociable hours and still work the full year around.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 12:51:45 PM

If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

I'm not sure that is a "young'uns" thing. Moving away from teaching specifically. I find it irritating how some folks are always in a rush to take all their breaks (and then some) and are clock watching to go home and seem to go through the motions, while others work through all their breaks, work overtime for free, are willing to do all the unsociable hours and break their back carrying those going through the motions. I am sure this exists in teaching too.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: michaelg on February 08, 2014, 01:16:52 PM
I get something like 32000 a year after 14 years of teaching. That's more than enough. I could seek more if I wanted to through promotion etc but not interested. There's more to life than work and money.

 Teachers are quare moaners. Try digging a hole.
More or less everyone moans about your their job.  Fair play to you if you are happy in yours.  When I worked as a teacher, I just found it a little annoying that people from outside the teaching profession regularly passed comment on teachers' holidays and pay etc, with little or no understanding of what the job actually entailed.
Incidentally, how long on average would you find yourself having to work per week to keep your head above water?

Couldn't put a number on it. As you said, it can change from month to month. For me, from late March to early July it's 6/7 days a week mostly, really stepping it up in June (every waking second) as I'm an examiner but that's my choice. In terms of weekly - 23 hrs class time, say 10 hours home prep, 6/7 hours for in-school prep and meetings. But it doesn't feel like keeping my head above water - apart from getting called Harry Hill or other types of shenanigans that comes with the territory of teaching in an inner-city secondary school - it's what I want to do and I hope I'm still enjoying it in 10 years time. There seems to be a real burn-out at around 50-52 so I'll hold back on declaring anything about my future.

If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.
When you say 'But it doesn't feel like keeping my head above water', do you mean that you are comfortably on top of things with that level of work or do you mean you still need do more?  In addition to what you have outlined re workload, I found the biggest killer was the marking - So time-consuming to complete it in line with school marking polices etc.
You are right about the burn-out thing.  Every year for about 5 years in the school I worked in, there was a teacher in their 50s who either had a breakdown, heart attack etc.  I could see the writing on the wall and chose to get out of it as a result.  You are also right about not seeking further promotion.  I became Head of Department, after my boss had a heart attack and had to retire, and it is absolutely not worth the hassle. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 01:21:46 PM
Right, I am going to lay off the teachers for a while. I believe a high percentage do a good job and many deal with challenging behaviour (as does many many other people in their job), my gripe is the amount they get paid for time not actually worked. I have respect for most teachers despite what it may have appeared from my last few posts, that does not take from my annoyance at public funded holidays. Funds that could be spent on improving public services.

My last point on the topic too - if teachers only got paid for the hours they were in school or college and didn't have to do anything outside of those hours then I would absolutely agree that they are over paid. What you fail to want to acknowledge is the many hours outside those hours that are not officially paid for - in effect the better, more conscientious teachers who spend time planning and marking etc get paid less for their time than the lazy ones you seem to have experience of.

I acknowledge that many (maybe most) teachers are conscientious. I acknowledge many use their own time after their working day has ended to complete work related tasks. I remember teachers used to have free classes, I presume all use this time to try and get through some of those tasks, and do not take them as extra breaks.

In the ROI and in the UK, how much class time does an average teacher work each week?

Many other public (and private) sector employees work through their breaks, work hours of unpaid overtime on a regular basis, work unsociable hours and still work the full year around.

It's not overtime though. Its part of the job everyday of every week. Personally I don't mind as I have myself well organised but every week I mark approx 125 A level homeworks for 5 groups which take approx 15 to 20 mins each. That's approx. 31.5 hours extra per week. Most of the "free lessons" are spent doing workshop with students who have either missed a lesson or who are struggling. This also doesn't include the 2 x 1 hour meetings per week and any preparation time. Like I said, I'm pretty well organised and love the job but I wouldn't consider myself overpaid. Just out of interest - what do you reckon would be a fair salary?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 08, 2014, 05:08:51 PM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

Is that true, do they not get paid pro-rata?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on February 08, 2014, 05:15:49 PM


If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

It's the same in our place.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on February 08, 2014, 05:18:41 PM


If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

It's the same in our place.

It's the same everywhere. I've had apprentices that just didn't give a shite.
I would have gotten a kick up the hole if I was at that craic,from my boss and from my aul fella.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 08, 2014, 05:21:04 PM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

Is that true, do they not get paid pro-rata?
Annual salary paid in 12 equal monthly installments. Is this not common practice for salaried workers?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 08, 2014, 05:25:28 PM


If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

It's the same in our place.

It's the same everywhere. I've had apprentices that just didn't give a shite.
I would have gotten a kick up the hole if I was at that craic,from my boss and from my aul fella.
Would agree with that. Even the standard of application forms is atrocious for many graduates and too many come into work thinking the hard work is over. We are taking on more and more school leavers on apprenticeships as they are cheaper but seem keener to learn.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 09, 2014, 10:03:32 AM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

Is that true, do they not get paid pro-rata?
Annual salary paid in 12 equal monthly installments. Is this not common practice for salaried workers?

My wife doesn't work July or August to look after the kids, she gets paid in 12 equal monthly installments pro-rata.  I thought this was true for teachers also.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 09, 2014, 10:07:28 AM


If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

It's the same in our place.

It's the same everywhere. I've had apprentices that just didn't give a shite.
I would have gotten a kick up the hole if I was at that craic,from my boss and from my aul fella.

And in all these situations do these young un's get extra salary / reward for going above and beyond and busting their hole.  I think fair play to this generation you work to live, gone are the days where people will be treated as mugs and work for nothing, fair play to them - wish i had the balls when I was younger to say it's 5pm I am away home to my life.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 09, 2014, 10:56:46 AM


If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

It's the same in our place.

It's the same everywhere. I've had apprentices that just didn't give a shite.
I would have gotten a kick up the hole if I was at that craic,from my boss and from my aul fella.

And in all these situations do these young un's get extra salary / reward for going above and beyond and busting their hole.  I think fair play to this generation you work to live, gone are the days where people will be treated as mugs and work for nothing, fair play to them - wish i had the balls when I was younger to say it's 5pm I am away home to my life.
I think you have missed the point (not for the first time). It is what they do, or don't do, between 9 and 5 is part of the issue.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on February 09, 2014, 11:08:23 AM
FFS listen to yourselves. You lads are only 40 too. Grumble grumble.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 09, 2014, 11:13:09 AM
FFS listen to yourselves. You lads are only 40 too. Grumble grumble.
Fcuk up you, I'm still in my thirties  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on February 09, 2014, 11:34:34 AM
You'd think every teacher ever has knocked his balls in 'for the vocation' until the latest crop of layabouts turned up. They've been swinging the lead in that job for years.

Rois, what fcukin age are you?? I thought you were in the younger generation of your profession?

As for the rest of you....get over yourselves. You are 10 a penny like every other Joe Cnut in the street. It's easy to paint yourself as Worker of the Week on an Internet forum. Unfortunately for you guys it counts for curse all in the real world.

Yis miserable, self-applauding shower of bastids!
 ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on February 09, 2014, 11:37:11 AM
Bad hangover HS? !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 09, 2014, 12:20:16 PM
That would be a good way to end every film. Even Titanic or ET.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on February 09, 2014, 03:20:27 PM

Rois, what fcukin age are you?? I thought you were in the younger generation of your profession?


 ;D you're dead right HS.

It was class having parents who were teachers in the summer time. Neither swung the lead though!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 09, 2014, 03:29:17 PM


If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

It's the same in our place.

It's the same everywhere. I've had apprentices that just didn't give a shite.
I would have gotten a kick up the hole if I was at that craic,from my boss and from my aul fella.

And in all these situations do these young un's get extra salary / reward for going above and beyond and busting their hole.  I think fair play to this generation you work to live, gone are the days where people will be treated as mugs and work for nothing, fair play to them - wish i had the balls when I was younger to say it's 5pm I am away home to my life.
I think you have missed the point (not for the first time). It is what they do, or don't do, between 9 and 5 is part of the issue.

People not pulling their weight during working hours really pisses me off.     I also find it a bit irksome that some people timewatch and are ready to head for the door bang on finishing while others will continue to work to help colleagues and service users/clients/customers (pick approp) or even complete tasks the person in a rush to leave should of done.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on February 09, 2014, 04:02:42 PM
Oh, you stayed behind to do someone else's work- have a gold star. Remember, folks, 10 gold stars in 1 month and your boss will treat you to coffee!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 09, 2014, 04:20:17 PM
Oh, you stayed behind to do someone else's work- have a gold star. Remember, folks, 10 gold stars in 1 month and your boss will treat you to coffee!

I must be a few stars off a coffee plantation at this stage. Lazy bastids, with their "I have children at home", should have kept their legs crossed imo.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on February 09, 2014, 04:30:16 PM
"Time for a cull. Tell numbers 2, 17, 101, 109, 130 and 139 to pack up their stuff. We don't need them anymore."

"But, Sir, 109 is MGHU, he has received many gold stars".

"You're right. Tell him to get me a jar of coffee before leaves."
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 09, 2014, 07:20:38 PM
I've never heard so much f**king winging about holidays teachers get, god only knows why thon Mayo twit keeps asking his friends about teaching then comes on here asking same f**king questions!!

First question, do you have friends?

Second question, do you suffer from Alzheimer's?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on February 09, 2014, 07:28:45 PM
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Second question, do you suffer from Alzheimer's?

Can anyone give a convincing answer to that one?

However, I suspect second level schools could squeeze in an extra week or so.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: take_yer_points on February 09, 2014, 07:31:55 PM
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Second question, do you suffer from Alzheimer's?

Can anyone give a convincing answer to that one?

However, I suspect second level schools could squeeze in an extra week or so.

Maybe if they squeezed an extra week in they'd be ready for the inspections they get.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 09, 2014, 08:53:50 PM
Yis miserable, self-applauding shower of bastids!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Main Street on February 09, 2014, 10:12:04 PM

However, I suspect second level schools could squeeze in an extra week or so.
Just because you want teachers to be seen to be working for their wage doesn't mean children should be made to suffer them for an extra week.
You can demand that the teachers do community service instead, anything, but leave the kids out of it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 09, 2014, 10:21:23 PM

Rois, what fcukin age are you?? I thought you were in the younger generation of your profession?


 ;D you're dead right HS.

It was class having parents who were teachers in the summer time. Neither swung the lead though!

I'm younger than Rois...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on February 09, 2014, 11:01:41 PM

However, I suspect second level schools could squeeze in an extra week or so.
Just because you want teachers to be seen to be working for their wage doesn't mean children should be made to suffer them for an extra week.
You can demand that the teachers do community service instead, anything, but leave the kids out of it.

No, I'd make the kids do it too. Young people today are often ignorant.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 10, 2014, 12:05:51 AM

However, I suspect second level schools could squeeze in an extra week or so.
Just because you want teachers to be seen to be working for their wage doesn't mean children should be made to suffer them for an extra week.
You can demand that the teachers do community service instead, anything, but leave the kids out of it.

No, I'd make the kids do it too. Young people today are often ignorant.

Exactly, teachers and children over say 14 should have to do community service for say 8 of those weeks. They could start by building a motorway from Cork - Derry.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 10, 2014, 08:26:07 AM


If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

It's the same in our place.

It's the same everywhere. I've had apprentices that just didn't give a shite.
I would have gotten a kick up the hole if I was at that craic,from my boss and from my aul fella.

And in all these situations do these young un's get extra salary / reward for going above and beyond and busting their hole.  I think fair play to this generation you work to live, gone are the days where people will be treated as mugs and work for nothing, fair play to them - wish i had the balls when I was younger to say it's 5pm I am away home to my life.
I think you have missed the point (not for the first time). It is what they do, or don't do, between 9 and 5 is part of the issue.

People not pulling their weight during working hours really pisses me off.     I also find it a bit irksome that some people timewatch and are ready to head for the door bang on finishing while others will continue to work to help colleagues and service users/clients/customers (pick approp) or even complete tasks the person in a rush to leave should of done.

Again what incentive is for the person to stay beyond their contractual hours, fair play to them I say.  It's amazing that it's always the lowest paid who are expected to stay on whilst managers swan in and out whenever they want.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 10, 2014, 08:29:12 AM
Oh, you stayed behind to do someone else's work- have a gold star. Remember, folks, 10 gold stars in 1 month and your boss will treat you to coffee!

I must be a few stars off a coffee plantation at this stage. Lazy bastids, with their "I have children at home", should have kept their legs crossed imo.

You sound like a p***k in our place.  So people with children who want to get home and collect them from nursery before it closes are lazy b**tards, you sound like one complete f**king ballbag.  Keep staying back and rack up them gold stars - muppet!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 10, 2014, 10:26:10 AM
Oh, you stayed behind to do someone else's work- have a gold star. Remember, folks, 10 gold stars in 1 month and your boss will treat you to coffee!

I must be a few stars off a coffee plantation at this stage. Lazy bastids, with their "I have children at home", should have kept their legs crossed imo.

You sound like a p***k in our place.  So people with children who want to get home and collect them from nursery before it closes are lazy b**tards, you sound like one complete f**king ballbag.  Keep staying back and rack up them gold stars - muppet!

Are you one of those ones sneaking out early leaving others to do your job? You get no thanks in my job for staying late but it is one of those jobs where you cannot just leave things undone until tomorrow, it is a 24 hour setting. I was joking about the children bit, playing along with hardstations comment. Many people use that excuse every day, so they expect other people to stay late because someone has to. Some jobs don't have the luxury of a closing time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 10, 2014, 10:38:57 AM


If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

It's the same in our place.

It's the same everywhere. I've had apprentices that just didn't give a shite.
I would have gotten a kick up the hole if I was at that craic,from my boss and from my aul fella.

And in all these situations do these young un's get extra salary / reward for going above and beyond and busting their hole.  I think fair play to this generation you work to live, gone are the days where people will be treated as mugs and work for nothing, fair play to them - wish i had the balls when I was younger to say it's 5pm I am away home to my life.
I think you have missed the point (not for the first time). It is what they do, or don't do, between 9 and 5 is part of the issue.

People not pulling their weight during working hours really pisses me off.     I also find it a bit irksome that some people timewatch and are ready to head for the door bang on finishing while others will continue to work to help colleagues and service users/clients/customers (pick approp) or even complete tasks the person in a rush to leave should of done.

Again what incentive is for the person to stay beyond their contractual hours, fair play to them I say.  It's amazing that it's always the lowest paid who are expected to stay on whilst managers swan in and out whenever they want.

I suppose the incentive for many is not recognition nor money but a sense of duty in ensuring the job is done as it should be.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on February 10, 2014, 10:43:51 AM
Grow a set of balls ffs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 10, 2014, 10:46:28 AM
Grow a set off balls and go home,it it isn't done point out why, i.e. others are skiving, if you're covering for them all the time you deserve all you get.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on February 10, 2014, 10:52:46 AM
Or else stop gurning about it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2014, 11:54:11 AM
Anyways, roll on next week for mid term break :P
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnneycool on February 10, 2014, 01:10:47 PM
Anyways, roll on next week for mid term break :P

Well done, you deserve it for all the hard work posting on here  ;) ;)

(says me  8) )
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2014, 01:41:27 PM
Anyways, roll on next week for mid term break :P

Well done, you deserve it for all the hard work posting on here  ;) ;)

(says me  8) )

I'm not off, I not that lucky, students are in nearly all f**king year but the wife is off so she can have the housework done and the dinners on the table, ironing all done and .............
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: hardstation on February 10, 2014, 01:44:18 PM
the milkman done?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2014, 01:45:10 PM
the milkman done?

He was sacked years ago, the window cleaner I'm worried about
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on February 10, 2014, 04:10:52 PM
Are teachers overpaid babysitters?
Let’s imagine for a moment that teachers were paid a baby-sitter’s salary. Let’s assume that they charge £3.00 an hour per kid. They “babysit” 25 children from 8AM to 3PM Monday through Friday. That’s eight hours a day, five days a week, for approximately nine months (or 36 weeks) a year.

•8 hours x £3.00/hr = £24 a day per student.
•£24/student x 25 students = £600 a day per class
•36 weeks x 5 days per week = 180 days
•£600 x 180 days = £108,000/year salary.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2014, 04:11:52 PM
That's a good estimation
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on February 10, 2014, 04:21:19 PM
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They “babysit” 25 children from 8AM to 3PM Monday through Friday.

Make that 32 kids here in Mexico. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnneycool on February 10, 2014, 04:27:33 PM
the milkman done?

He was sacked years ago, the window cleaner I'm worried about

Is Robin Askwith cleaning windows out Jordanstown way?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2014, 04:30:35 PM
the milkman done?

He was sacked years ago, the window cleaner I'm worried about

Is Robin Askwith cleaning windows out Jordanstown way?

They were some films!! dirty brute
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on February 10, 2014, 10:25:30 PM
Try the old supply teaching. The wains treat you with no respect and you do get the holidays off but you don't get paid a penny. Mind you it's great going home through the door at 4 and not having to do any work thereafter. Then up at 6.30 the next morning, chuck on a suit, have your Weetabix and wait for a phone call...............that may never come; and you lose £80 quid.

Mind you again, I have afternoon work tomorrow for 2 hours, no marking but only £40.

I think the average day in England is £120, the agency take £40 off you for helping you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on April 10, 2014, 07:57:03 AM
On the old supply here in England and not getting paid for the summer. Any ideas for jobs for 6 weeks that a teacher could pick up
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Asal Mor on April 10, 2014, 08:46:00 AM
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They “babysit” 25 children from 8AM to 3PM Monday through Friday.

Make that 32 kids here in Mexico.

Are you teaching in Mexico Billy?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on April 10, 2014, 09:13:20 AM
On the old supply here in England and not getting paid for the summer. Any ideas for jobs for 6 weeks that a teacher could pick up

Do you have to stay in England?  I can link you in with a summer school in Switzerland if that's any use. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on April 10, 2014, 09:33:46 AM
On the old supply here in England and not getting paid for the summer. Any ideas for jobs for 6 weeks that a teacher could pick up

Je Rois thats very kind. Yeah i am in England for the summer, committed to the ball here till September.

Do you have to stay in England?  I can link you in with a summer school in Switzerland if that's any use. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on April 10, 2014, 10:53:29 AM
Ah no worries.  It's a great place if you're young, free and single and a teacher - you only have to teach in the morning, then go and do activities with kids in the afternoons like outdoor pool, rafting, visiting tourist sports.  In fact, the same people have an international primary and secondary school over there as well as the summer school.  They're from Tyrone though.  That wouldn't have worked. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on April 10, 2014, 10:05:08 PM
That sounds ideal for putting in the summer!! What's the pay like?

Anyone any good recommendations for iPad apps for ks1 and ks2? I use a few really simple ones with my P6 class and they're addicted to them, especially one called 'Tap Math'. We keep a leader board to see who can get the highest score. I'm winning in my class  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Johnny Tightlips on April 10, 2014, 10:57:13 PM
On the old supply here in England and not getting paid for the summer. Any ideas for jobs for 6 weeks that a teacher could pick up

Thinking of hitting London after the football season is over, few mates are on about going for the supply work in London. What is the story with it? is there work everyday? is it hard to get everything sorted out etc.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on April 28, 2014, 10:51:38 PM
Shockingly sad day in Leeds today. This is one of the feeder schools for the Sixth Form college I teach in and it is extremely depressing to think that this sort of tragedy can happen as you try to do your job. Something needs to be done to address the knife culture amongst some of the groups of youngster in this country. Mrs Maguire was immensely well respected and will be sorely missed - RIP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27193638
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: moysider on April 29, 2014, 12:18:50 AM
Shockingly sad day in Leeds today. This is one of the feeder schools for the Sixth Form college I teach in and it is extremely depressing to think that this sort of tragedy can happen as you try to do your job. Something needs to be done to address the knife culture amongst some of the groups of youngster in this country. Mrs Maguire was immensely well respected and will be sorely missed - RIP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27193638

Dreadful tragedy. Not surprised or shocked though. Not sure what country you are talking about? Actually surprised it doesn t happen more often but this may be a kick- start it needs. In very few jobs would a 61 yr old woman would be exposed to this risk but it is normal in teaching. I always hated the title of this thread and the bollix that started it might review it. In many situations teachers never know what is coming down the line and anything can happen.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ziggy90 on April 29, 2014, 06:32:10 AM
Shockingly sad day in Leeds today. This is one of the feeder schools for the Sixth Form college I teach in and it is extremely depressing to think that this sort of tragedy can happen as you try to do your job. Something needs to be done to address the knife culture amongst some of the groups of youngster in this country. Mrs Maguire was immensely well respected and will be sorely missed - RIP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27193638

Dreadful tragedy. Not surprised or shocked though. Not sure what country you are talking about? Actually surprised it doesn t happen more often but this may be a kick- start it needs. In very few jobs would a 61 yr old woman would be exposed to this risk but it is normal in teaching. I always hated the title of this thread and the bollix that started it might review it. In many situations teachers never know what is coming down the line and anything can happen.

Desperate tragedy, I have three daughters who are teachers and this left me feeling sick to my stomach.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Lecale2 on April 29, 2014, 07:43:41 AM
An awful incident but thankfully extremely rare. RIP
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on April 29, 2014, 03:43:47 PM
Shockingly sad day in Leeds today. This is one of the feeder schools for the Sixth Form college I teach in and it is extremely depressing to think that this sort of tragedy can happen as you try to do your job. Something needs to be done to address the knife culture amongst some of the groups of youngster in this country. Mrs Maguire was immensely well respected and will be sorely missed - RIP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27193638

Dreadful tragedy. Not surprised or shocked though. Not sure what country you are talking about? Actually surprised it doesn t happen more often but this may be a kick- start it needs. In very few jobs would a 61 yr old woman would be exposed to this risk but it is normal in teaching. I always hated the title of this thread and the bollix that started it might review it. In many situations teachers never know what is coming down the line and anything can happen.

I meant England - hopefully this is something that hasn't worked its way into Irish schools. People are always barking on about the job teachers do, the holidays and their pensions - but a 60 year old woman should not have to deal with teenage kids. That lady should have felt comfortable enough to retire last year after devoting 40 years of her life to helping kids. By the time it comes to my retirement, the age will be closer to 70 than 60 - its depressing all round.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on April 29, 2014, 03:54:03 PM
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I meant England - hopefully this is something that hasn't worked its way into Irish schools.

Let me assure you; it has!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on April 30, 2014, 01:55:39 PM
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I meant England - hopefully this is something that hasn't worked its way into Irish schools.

Let me assure you; it has!

My aunt was assaulted by a student.

She never returned to teaching.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on May 27, 2014, 01:10:39 PM
A friend of mine is teaching in the North but its a temporary job.
He has seen a job that is close to him and permanent but it is in the South.
School is 30 minutes drive for him but he is wondering how does he go about applying?
I have looked at the job description on line and it states that you need the following to apply:

Referees (name, role, contact no.)

CV (Unbound/Slide Binder)

Teaching Council Registration

Does this mean all he needs is a C.V and a covering letter ?
Would he have much hassle getting a Teacher Council Registration if he has the equivalent in the North?

Thanks in advance because I have been absolutely no help to him.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: guy crouchback on May 27, 2014, 03:22:25 PM
 if he is a primary teacher he is wasting his time, unless he knows the principle and chairman of the board of management. that job is long gone, the interview process is just a sham. the level of nepotism cronyism and clientism in the primary school job market in the south is hard to grasp if you have not been at the sharp end of it.
nowadays i would say that 99.9% of all jobs are allocated  before any interviews are conducted and the person who gets the job will have done so through contacts and family connections.

even during the boom when there were more jobs then teachres id say 80% of all job were allocated in this way ,it is gombeen ireland at its very worst.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on May 27, 2014, 04:14:00 PM
He is secondary
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on May 27, 2014, 04:19:00 PM
Leaving aside nepotism, presumably there are always teachers who have been doing hours in schools and these are always in pole position for a permanent job? Just as FermGael's mate would be in with a good chance in the school where he is temporary , the devil you know and all that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2014, 06:07:21 PM
Leaving aside nepotism, presumably there are always teachers who have been doing hours in schools and these are always in pole position for a permanent job? Just as FermGael's mate would be in with a good chance in the school where he is temporary , the devil you know and all that.

Again not always the case, unless they are doing a decent job then they won't be given the job, performance and results (if you are on a temp contract) will give you the job  (via a interview) also some of the board sit on these interview panels. Nepotism though is still rife in all types of jobs in N.I .

Would good GAA connections still get you in teaching jobs down south?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on May 27, 2014, 08:32:42 PM
My mate who trained with me in England was applying for jobs at home and got an interview at a secondary school in the North (I'll not name the school) and the day BEFORE the interview he got a letter thanking him for turning up and informing him that, with regret, that he didn't on this occasion get the job. He went to the interview as he had already flights booked etc and apparently a mix up in the office meant the letters were posted too early. Needless to say they were a bit embarrassed. He went home and worked as a substitute teacher for 2 and a half years and applying for every suitable job going before finally moving back to England. It looks like you must be trained in a particular Uni or have some connections to get your foot in the door in some places, but I suppose that's like a