Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[johnnycool]

It seems internal pressure within the Democrats is pushing Biden to have a bit of a re-think re justifiable Israeli actions.
A day or two ago Anthony Blinken issued what Jeremy Bowen of the BBC says are effectively red lines

- taking more effective steps to protect the lives of civilians, including by clearly and precisely designating areas and places in southern and central Gaza where they can be safe and out of the line of fire
- avoiding further significant displacement of civilians inside of Gaza
- avoiding damage to life-critical infrastructure, like hospitals, like power stations, like water facilities
- giving civilians who've been displaced to southern Gaza the choice to return to the north as soon as conditions permit. There must be no enduring internal displacement.

Hard to believe Benjamin will pay a blind bit of notice, but at least it's finally a start of a step in the right direction by the US

Well that's is you believe Blinken means what he says or is just spouting some words to appease the people out protesting. I would say it is the later and zero will change. The yanks have lost all credibility with anyone with eyes in their heads.

Keyser is bang on the money with his analysis, Western democracy is corrupted by dark money from the elite and the US military-industrial complex stoking the flames throughout the world, US "aid" paid for by the US tax payer ultimately ends up with dead brown skinned people and lots of money in the hands of the elite power brokers.

[tbrick18]

This situation has pulled the curtain aside to reveal the wholesale corruption that has become the bedrock on which western democracy operates. And the attendant nauseating hypocrisy of their claim to be the world's good guys whilst supplying bombs that are being used to carpet bomb civilians with tens of thousands of babies, women and children murdered.

The Israeli's are gifted billions of dollars annually courtesy of the US taxpayer, they spend most of this on weapons from US weapons manufacturers, who in turn spend enormous sums of money greasing the palms of politicians, on both sides of the aisle.

Who then vote further billions annually to the Israelis, no strings attached other than they must buy American weapons, but they can use them to kill whoever they like.

The money is also used for more straightforward bribes to politicians 'campaign funds' which have little oversight, and to fund lobby groups like AIPAC, to which every major political figure in the USA is beholden. When AIPAC issue an invitation there is no-one in American political life in any position of influence that will say no.

The taxpayers' dollar is also used by Israel to compromise politicians in case the carrot approach doesn't work.

Hence you create a scenario where a massive racist and blatant anti islamic sc**bag [Steve Seldovitz] can become a National Security Advisor to Obama. You can be sure that the DoD and NSA are packed with similar headers, a quick look at Biden's WH shows that it is peopled with Zionists.

Large amounts of this taxpayer money has also been used by Israel to buy up influence in US media companies to the extent that they are all more or less controlled by Zionists, hence none of this corruption is ever mentioned let alone investigated by any mainstream media outlet. And in fact they take a blatant pro Israel stance whether the facts warrant it or not.


The rest of the western world toe the American line although there is also plenty of straightforward bribery directly involved in other countries, certainly in the British system were it is nearly as blatant as the US situation with Friends of Israel and their 'factfinding' trips... aka holidays. The ease with which they were able to ditch Jeremy Corbyn on an antisemitism charge shows the influence these people have to get rid of a political leader in another country just because he advocated for a Palestinian state.

The only people who benefit from this is the US military-industrial complex, to the tune of c$800bn/annum [not all for Israel of course] and the corrupt politicians who are siphoning millions from the people.

This has led to a series of disasters in US foreign policy over the last 70 years. I would struggle to name interventions that have worked in USAs favour since WW2, maybe the Berlin airlift and Cuban Missile Crisis.

Completely mad policies like subverting democracies because you don't like the person elected and invading other countries on manufactured grounds have become the norm whilst still holding up the beacon of freedom as the leader of the free world and ignoring the stench of the millions of people who have perished by american guns and bombs.

The curtain has been pulled aside, will this be the beginning of the end for western democracy as the world's policeman?

Surely their replacement could do no worse?

Very good post.
The main problem as I see it is that we can't do anything to change this.
Are there viable alternatives to elect in the US? Can they even get elected with the system that is in place?
In terms of the UK, they are just US-Lite. The arrogance of this political class of self-worshippers knows no limits and with the exception of a few individuals in the Tory/Labour parties, there's not enough who want to change the system.

[seafoid]

Zionism will collapse  when the economic system does. Certain Jews manipulate US public opinion to keep apartheid going. Israel is evil.  Apartheid is wrong. Everyone is afraid of the lobby. Tammany Hall was the same in the 20s. It also collapsed.

[tbrick18]

Zionism will collapse  when the economic system does. Certain Jews manipulate US public opinion to keep apartheid going. Israel is evil.  Apartheid is wrong. Everyone is afraid of the lobby. Tammany Hall was the same in the 20s. It also collapsed.

I hope you're right on Zionism.
But I do think that saying Israel is evil needs to be qualified. There are plenty of ordinary Israelis who don't agree with what's happening in Gaza. Now saying the Israeli leadership/state is evil, I'd have no issue with.

[JohnDenver]

Zionism will collapse  when the economic system does. Certain Jews manipulate US public opinion to keep apartheid going. Israel is evil.  Apartheid is wrong. Everyone is afraid of the lobby. Tammany Hall was the same in the 20s. It also collapsed.

I hope you're right on Zionism.
But I do think that saying Israel is evil needs to be qualified. There are plenty of ordinary Israelis who don't agree with what's happening in Gaza. Now saying the Israeli leadership/state is evil, I'd have no issue with.

Agree with tbrick - that's the exact danger currently playing out in Ireland with the "all foreigners" craic.

You have to nail the bastards who are responsible and not tar everybody with the same brush.  And rotten bastards they are committing this genocide.

[Itchy]

The Hamas attack on Oct 7th was a surprise to Israel security forces but amazingly it seems that investors in Israel knew all about it. Does anyone think this is credible???

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/04/israeli-authorities-investigate-claims-of-short-selling-before-hamas-attacks

[Hound]

The Hamas attack on Oct 7th was a surprise to Israel security forces but amazingly it seems that investors in Israel knew all about it. Does anyone think this is credible???

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/04/israeli-authorities-investigate-claims-of-short-selling-before-hamas-attacks

Very interesting cheers, albeit your comment is misleading.

The article doesn't say it was investors in Israel who did the short selling,  but that it was stocks on the Tel Aviv stock exchange, and that could be done from anywhere in the world. The Hamas leaders in Qatar or Iranians would seem likely possibilities.

A couple of interesting articles on the BBC today;

Life in the West Bank as illegal Israeli settlors try to make it intolerable for Palestinians. Ordinary people trying to live an ordinary life and subjected to near daily torment
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67617920

Some details of the October 7 barbarism, which seemed to target women in particular
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181

[Keyser soze]

The Hamas attack on Oct 7th was a surprise to Israel security forces but amazingly it seems that investors in Israel knew all about it. Does anyone think this is credible???

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/04/israeli-authorities-investigate-claims-of-short-selling-before-hamas-attacks

Very interesting cheers, albeit your comment is misleading.

The article doesn't say it was investors in Israel who did the short selling,  but that it was stocks on the Tel Aviv stock exchange, and that could be done from anywhere in the world. The Hamas leaders in Qatar or Iranians would seem likely possibilities.

A couple of interesting articles on the BBC today;

Life in the West Bank as illegal Israeli settlors try to make it intolerable for Palestinians. Ordinary people trying to live an ordinary life and subjected to near daily torment
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67617920

Some details of the October 7 barbarism, which seemed to target women in particular
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181

Does anybody believe for a second that story about the rapes?

The Israelis have been caught lying and fabricating so many stories about Oct 7th eg babies cooked in ovens and hung on clothes lines, that they have subsequently been unable to produce any evidence for, that it is shameful for the BBC to have this nonsense as their lead article on their news.

If there was an iota of truth in this you can be sure it would not have taken 2 months for the 'evidence' to be presented.

[seafoid]

Zionism is an evil ideology. That does not mean all Israeli Jews agree with it. But the system of apartheid and brutalisation and mass indoctrination of Israeli kids and 2 legal systems and settlers is sociopathic. Israeli leaders belong in the Hague .

Some of the tropes of antisemitism are clearly visible in the US Beltway now. There has always been a divide between elite Jews and ordinary Schmucks.  The ordinary ones end up paying for the sins of the former.

[Saffrongael]

The Hamas attack on Oct 7th was a surprise to Israel security forces but amazingly it seems that investors in Israel knew all about it. Does anyone think this is credible???

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/04/israeli-authorities-investigate-claims-of-short-selling-before-hamas-attacks

Very interesting cheers, albeit your comment is misleading.

The article doesn't say it was investors in Israel who did the short selling,  but that it was stocks on the Tel Aviv stock exchange, and that could be done from anywhere in the world. The Hamas leaders in Qatar or Iranians would seem likely possibilities.

A couple of interesting articles on the BBC today;

Life in the West Bank as illegal Israeli settlors try to make it intolerable for Palestinians. Ordinary people trying to live an ordinary life and subjected to near daily torment
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67617920

Some details of the October 7 barbarism, which seemed to target women in particular
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181

Does anybody believe for a second that story about the rapes?

The Israelis have been caught lying and fabricating so many stories about Oct 7th eg babies cooked in ovens and hung on clothes lines, that they have subsequently been unable to produce any evidence for, that it is shameful for the BBC to have this nonsense as their lead article on their news.

If there was an iota of truth in this you can be sure it would not have taken 2 months for the 'evidence' to be presented.

Bingo 

[tonto1888]

The Hamas attack on Oct 7th was a surprise to Israel security forces but amazingly it seems that investors in Israel knew all about it. Does anyone think this is credible???

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/04/israeli-authorities-investigate-claims-of-short-selling-before-hamas-attacks

Very interesting cheers, albeit your comment is misleading.

The article doesn't say it was investors in Israel who did the short selling,  but that it was stocks on the Tel Aviv stock exchange, and that could be done from anywhere in the world. The Hamas leaders in Qatar or Iranians would seem likely possibilities.

A couple of interesting articles on the BBC today;

Life in the West Bank as illegal Israeli settlors try to make it intolerable for Palestinians. Ordinary people trying to live an ordinary life and subjected to near daily torment
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67617920

Some details of the October 7 barbarism, which seemed to target women in particular
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181

Does anybody believe for a second that story about the rapes?

The Israelis have been caught lying and fabricating so many stories about Oct 7th eg babies cooked in ovens and hung on clothes lines, that they have subsequently been unable to produce any evidence for, that it is shameful for the BBC to have this nonsense as their lead article on their news.

If there was an iota of truth in this you can be sure it would not have taken 2 months for the 'evidence' to be presented.

on past experiences, no, I dont.

[Saffrongael]

Hope youse are never on jury duty for a rape case, no footage it didn't happen? (even though I have read there is Hamas bodycam footage)

But unless it's shared with the GAA Board it didn't happen 

Owen Jones would be proud of you

Some normally really sensible posters have lost their mind on this thread

[Rossfan]

Maybe the murder of over 5,000 children might just be influencing our views.....

[Armagh18]

Wouldnt believe a word the Americans, Brits or Israelis say tbh.

[general_lee]

Hope youse are never on jury duty for a rape case, no footage it didn't happen? (even though I have read there is Hamas bodycam footage)

But unless it's shared with the GAA Board it didn't happen 

Owen Jones would be proud of you

Some normally really sensible posters have lost their mind on this thread

The Israelis are perennial liars. Like it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they're lying here as well.