Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[seafoid]

we are where we currently are because Hamas launched a terrorist attack

Wow!! Imagine that!! So these crazy Palestinians launched this attack for no apparent reason what-so-ever? On poor peace loving Israel?? Well I am shocked. I just assumed there was a context or a history or some sort of grievance behind it but no. Now I know that the Middle East conflict only began last month.

Getting lost among the atrocities - but we are where we currently are because Hamas launched a terrorist attack, Israel are doing exactly what Hamas expected & hoped they would do after the attack. The Arab world coming to their aid is the only part of their plan not happening atm.

As you said in the very first post on this topic "no doubt retribution will be swift & brutal"

And you didn't need to be a genius to figure it out. Hamas knew damn well that the murder, torture, mutilation and kidnapping of well over a thousand innocent men, women, pensioners, children would have this response. And that the west wouldn't stop Israel.

Netanyahu and his leadership team should be facing war crimes charges for his abhorrent response, but unlikely to happen. At least there are small signs that the US and the west might finally pull the handbrake on the Israelis, but hasn't happened yet.

Hamas knew the world would just stand by watch a genocide and more ethic cleansing..

Can I asked why you chose 4 words to describe Hamas and provided numbers but chose to use 1 (less descriptive) and did not provide the numbers when describing Israel.

Hamas lured Israel into a trap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxOBOhRECoo

[seafoid]

The Israelis took out the solar panels on top of Shifa hospital which has cut operations by half and lead to infected wounds . The hospital has no electricity and no equipment to treat white phosphorous wounds. Israel is satanic.

[marty34]

Chris Johns (on the Dunphy podcast) had a take on why Keir Starmer is following the government line on not calling for an outright ceasefire. He said it's because he's been briefed by British Intelligence about planned attacks on major Western cities, and he speculated that a couple may already have been thwarted, but that if there is an attack, the West will respond hard.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1721352933441151477
Israel has destroyed and/or bombed every university in Gaza and bombed multiple hospitals, now including the pediatric oncology ward of Al-Rantisi. Meanwhile, a "senior security source" in the Israeli govt has claimed 20,000 – or 1% of Gaza's entire population – has been killed.

But it's not enough for Israeli civil society: In the past week, 100 Israeli doctors, including pediatricians, have signed a letter urging more attacks on hospitals, while 50 Israeli rabbis have issued a letter giving halakhic approval to bomb medical facilities in Gaza. "the residents of Gaza" have "brought their annihilation upon themselves," the Israeli doctors proclaim.

Unlike you seaf, Max doesn't provide a link to support his quotes re the doctors, so I have no idea if they are real or not.  But he works for the Grayzone, which receives significant funding from China and Russia, and has regular anti-Ukraine, anti-Taiwan, anti-Hong Kong pieces. So I'd say you could find more reliable sources.

so post this after posting about british intelligence without any qualification.

here might be a better source,

https://twitter.com/GhassanAbuSitt1/status/1721076636047507677?t=xfeGeZq4A_aW64bEny4JNQ&s=19

Ah php, your posts are usually reasonable but that's a great example of false equivalence!
Everyone here knows Dunphy, most know Johns. Starmer confirmed he was briefed by British Intelligence, didn't give any specifics. So on this discussion board I'm just putting it out there that it might be a reason for Starmer's position, which is a surprise to many. Whether people here want to believe British Intelligence is an entirely different matter! 

I see you agree that there are better sources than Grayzone, cheers

Talk about an oxymoron.

Sure them boys wouldn't lie would they?

Like Hamas, IDF, CIA, even Joe Brolly  , they don't lie all the time, but when it suits them they have no fear of it.

Obviously we have no idea what they told Starmer and what, if any, evidence they showed him.
Now that 10 or 12 Labour councillors have resigned over Starmer's position, it'll be interesting to see if he holds firm, or gives more of an explanation as to why, or if he changes tack.

Will this mess up Labour's chance at the next GE?

Tories could slip in again by default.

[dec]

Chris Johns (on the Dunphy podcast) had a take on why Keir Starmer is following the government line on not calling for an outright ceasefire. He said it's because he's been briefed by British Intelligence about planned attacks on major Western cities, and he speculated that a couple may already have been thwarted, but that if there is an attack, the West will respond hard.

I think Starmer is following a similar line to Blair.

Blair wanted to win elections, he decided the way to do this was "New Labour". "New Labour" just meant thinking what would "Old" Labour do and do the opposite. Old Labour would have opposed the Iraq war therefore New Labour will support it.

Starmer is just doing the opposite of what Jeremy Corbyn would have done. Jeremy Corbyn would have opposed just about everything that Israel did therefore Starmer will support just about everything that Israel does.

Labour and the Democrats are both desperate to not give their right wing opponents anything they can use against them in the next election on this issue.

[seafoid]

The UK election will probably have huge abstentions and result in a hung parliament.

[Itchy]

Chris Johns (on the Dunphy podcast) had a take on why Keir Starmer is following the government line on not calling for an outright ceasefire. He said it's because he's been briefed by British Intelligence about planned attacks on major Western cities, and he speculated that a couple may already have been thwarted, but that if there is an attack, the West will respond hard.

I think Starmer is following a similar line to Blair.

Blair wanted to win elections, he decided the way to do this was "New Labour". "New Labour" just meant thinking what would "Old" Labour do and do the opposite. Old Labour would have opposed the Iraq war therefore New Labour will support it.

Starmer is just doing the opposite of what Jeremy Corbyn would have done. Jeremy Corbyn would have opposed just about everything that Israel did therefore Starmer will support just about everything that Israel does.

Labour and the Democrats are both desperate to not give their right wing opponents anything they can use against them in the next election on this issue.

Jeremy Corbyn is a good man. Too good for the Brits to be honest so they tried to smear and ruin him. Starmar is a pathetic individual and a traitor to labours socialist core. His stance on Israel is just gut wrenching.

[Hound]

we are where we currently are because Hamas launched a terrorist attack

Wow!! Imagine that!! So these crazy Palestinians launched this attack for no apparent reason what-so-ever? On poor peace loving Israel?? Well I am shocked. I just assumed there was a context or a history or some sort of grievance behind it but no. Now I know that the Middle East conflict only began last month.

Getting lost among the atrocities - but we are where we currently are because Hamas launched a terrorist attack, Israel are doing exactly what Hamas expected & hoped they would do after the attack. The Arab world coming to their aid is the only part of their plan not happening atm.

As you said in the very first post on this topic "no doubt retribution will be swift & brutal"

And you didn't need to be a genius to figure it out. Hamas knew damn well that the murder, torture, mutilation and kidnapping of well over a thousand innocent men, women, pensioners, children would have this response. And that the west wouldn't stop Israel.

Netanyahu and his leadership team should be facing war crimes charges for his abhorrent response, but unlikely to happen. At least there are small signs that the US and the west might finally pull the handbrake on the Israelis, but hasn't happened yet.

Hamas knew the world would just stand by watch a genocide and more ethic cleansing..

Can I asked why you chose 4 words to describe Hamas and provided numbers but chose to use 1 (less descriptive) and did not provide the numbers when describing Israel.

I have condemned both Hamas and Israel numerous times on this thread.
You have not condemned the Hamas massacre once in your dozens of posts. Can I ask why?

[PadraicHenryPearse]

we are where we currently are because Hamas launched a terrorist attack

Wow!! Imagine that!! So these crazy Palestinians launched this attack for no apparent reason what-so-ever? On poor peace loving Israel?? Well I am shocked. I just assumed there was a context or a history or some sort of grievance behind it but no. Now I know that the Middle East conflict only began last month.

Getting lost among the atrocities - but we are where we currently are because Hamas launched a terrorist attack, Israel are doing exactly what Hamas expected & hoped they would do after the attack. The Arab world coming to their aid is the only part of their plan not happening atm.

As you said in the very first post on this topic "no doubt retribution will be swift & brutal"

And you didn't need to be a genius to figure it out. Hamas knew damn well that the murder, torture, mutilation and kidnapping of well over a thousand innocent men, women, pensioners, children would have this response. And that the west wouldn't stop Israel.

Netanyahu and his leadership team should be facing war crimes charges for his abhorrent response, but unlikely to happen. At least there are small signs that the US and the west might finally pull the handbrake on the Israelis, but hasn't happened yet.

Hamas knew the world would just stand by watch a genocide and more ethic cleansing..

Can I asked why you chose 4 words to describe Hamas and provided numbers but chose to use 1 (less descriptive) and did not provide the numbers when describing Israel.

I have condemned both Hamas and Israel numerous times on this thread.
You have not condemned the Hamas massacre once in your dozens of posts. Can I ask why?

you didn't answer my question.

you need to re read my posts rather that lie about what I've posted.

do you condemn Hamas, like every interviewer to any Palestinian interviewee for a month...

[Hound]

So that's a no?  May I ask? Or sticking with your initial comment that the Hamas massacre on men, women, children and pensioners was 'heroic'?

[Armagh18]

Chris Johns (on the Dunphy podcast) had a take on why Keir Starmer is following the government line on not calling for an outright ceasefire. He said it's because he's been briefed by British Intelligence about planned attacks on major Western cities, and he speculated that a couple may already have been thwarted, but that if there is an attack, the West will respond hard.

I think Starmer is following a similar line to Blair.

Blair wanted to win elections, he decided the way to do this was "New Labour". "New Labour" just meant thinking what would "Old" Labour do and do the opposite. Old Labour would have opposed the Iraq war therefore New Labour will support it.

Starmer is just doing the opposite of what Jeremy Corbyn would have done. Jeremy Corbyn would have opposed just about everything that Israel did therefore Starmer will support just about everything that Israel does.

Labour and the Democrats are both desperate to not give their right wing opponents anything they can use against them in the next election on this issue.

Jeremy Corbyn is a good man. Too good for the Brits to be honest so they tried to smear and ruin him. Starmar is a pathetic individual and a traitor to labours socialist core. His stance on Israel is just gut wrenching.

Absolutely. The UK media are the scum of the earth. Starmer vs Rushi, Trump vs Biden. Would you like shot in the left knee or right knee.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

So that's a no?  May I ask? Or sticking with your initial comment that the Hamas massacre on men, women, children and pensioners was 'heroic'?

Keep digging...keep re reading my posts and stop lying...

you didn't answer my question and you have doubled down about me not condemning Hamas, which is an outright lie and then you cherry pick a post out of context I never said killing civilians was heroic.

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[Wildweasel74]

I think I lock myself outta this thread, some lads on here def. Not wise!

[Saffrongael]

I think I lock myself outta this thread, some lads on here def. Not wise!

💯, some need to get a bit of fresh air.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Barnaby Raine, from what I've heard from him speaks very well on Palestine/Israel.

[theskull1]

Appears to me that the Netenyahu strategy is to keep her lit until multiple countries (those demanding a ceasefire) as part of ceasefire negotiations, agree to take everyone left alive in Gaza at that point as refugees.