Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[seafoid]

Scott Ritter - the aims of the US and Israel are not the same.

The international community is turning its back on Israel 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV_HsiJg8Io

[seafoid]

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1721352933441151477
Israel has destroyed and/or bombed every university in Gaza and bombed multiple hospitals, now including the pediatric oncology ward of Al-Rantisi. Meanwhile, a "senior security source" in the Israeli govt has claimed 20,000 – or 1% of Gaza's entire population – has been killed.

But it's not enough for Israeli civil society: In the past week, 100 Israeli doctors, including pediatricians, have signed a letter urging more attacks on hospitals, while 50 Israeli rabbis have issued a letter giving halakhic approval to bomb medical facilities in Gaza. "the residents of Gaza" have "brought their annihilation upon themselves," the Israeli doctors proclaim.

[Snapchap]

Hamas did wrong of course, but 1. It was nowhere near as bad as is being made out. 2. They didn't randomly do it for no reason out of the blue, they did nothing Israel hasnt been doing for years.

Don't minimise it. Neither Israel nor pretty much anyone else have gone on a rampage killing civilian men, women and children. While clearly they are both evil, there is a big difference between killing someone that is in your way and going around looking for someone to kill. If you do not realise this then your moral compass is arseways.

Didn't do it for no reason. And wtf have Israel been doing the last month? Come on?

They have been killing people in their way, as I said.

No they f**king haven't been "killing people in their way". They've been deliberately terrorising and targetting the entire Gaza population. If you are stupid enough to belive that Israel is only targeting Hammas figures and that any civilians killed just "got in the way", then I've a big f**king bridge to Scotland to sell you.

Christ but it's scary to think there are people as gullible as you walking among us.

[Hound]

Chris Johns (on the Dunphy podcast) had a take on why Keir Starmer is following the government line on not calling for an outright ceasefire. He said it's because he's been briefed by British Intelligence about planned attacks on major Western cities, and he speculated that a couple may already have been thwarted, but that if there is an attack, the West will respond hard.

[Hound]

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1721352933441151477
Israel has destroyed and/or bombed every university in Gaza and bombed multiple hospitals, now including the pediatric oncology ward of Al-Rantisi. Meanwhile, a "senior security source" in the Israeli govt has claimed 20,000 – or 1% of Gaza's entire population – has been killed.

But it's not enough for Israeli civil society: In the past week, 100 Israeli doctors, including pediatricians, have signed a letter urging more attacks on hospitals, while 50 Israeli rabbis have issued a letter giving halakhic approval to bomb medical facilities in Gaza. "the residents of Gaza" have "brought their annihilation upon themselves," the Israeli doctors proclaim.

Unlike you seaf, Max doesn't provide a link to support his quotes re the doctors, so I have no idea if they are real or not.  But he works for the Grayzone, which receives significant funding from China and Russia, and has regular anti-Ukraine, anti-Taiwan, anti-Hong Kong pieces. So I'd say you could find more reliable sources.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Chris Johns (on the Dunphy podcast) had a take on why Keir Starmer is following the government line on not calling for an outright ceasefire. He said it's because he's been briefed by British Intelligence about planned attacks on major Western cities, and he speculated that a couple may already have been thwarted, but that if there is an attack, the West will respond hard.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1721352933441151477
Israel has destroyed and/or bombed every university in Gaza and bombed multiple hospitals, now including the pediatric oncology ward of Al-Rantisi. Meanwhile, a "senior security source" in the Israeli govt has claimed 20,000 – or 1% of Gaza's entire population – has been killed.

But it's not enough for Israeli civil society: In the past week, 100 Israeli doctors, including pediatricians, have signed a letter urging more attacks on hospitals, while 50 Israeli rabbis have issued a letter giving halakhic approval to bomb medical facilities in Gaza. "the residents of Gaza" have "brought their annihilation upon themselves," the Israeli doctors proclaim.

Unlike you seaf, Max doesn't provide a link to support his quotes re the doctors, so I have no idea if they are real or not.  But he works for the Grayzone, which receives significant funding from China and Russia, and has regular anti-Ukraine, anti-Taiwan, anti-Hong Kong pieces. So I'd say you could find more reliable sources.

so post this after posting about british intelligence without any qualification.

here might be a better source,

https://twitter.com/GhassanAbuSitt1/status/1721076636047507677?t=xfeGeZq4A_aW64bEny4JNQ&s=19

[PadraicHenryPearse]

same source 500 more slaughtered.

https://twitter.com/GhassanAbuSitt1/status/1721443189461070061?t=Iph_r4W53FCbjvywbX5ycQ&s=19

[trueblue1234]

Chris Johns (on the Dunphy podcast) had a take on why Keir Starmer is following the government line on not calling for an outright ceasefire. He said it's because he's been briefed by British Intelligence about planned attacks on major Western cities, and he speculated that a couple may already have been thwarted, but that if there is an attack, the West will respond hard.

More than a whiff of WMD about that to be honest.

[armaghniac]

Hamas did wrong of course, but 1. It was nowhere near as bad as is being made out. 2. They didn't randomly do it for no reason out of the blue, they did nothing Israel hasnt been doing for years.

Don't minimise it. Neither Israel nor pretty much anyone else have gone on a rampage killing civilian men, women and children. While clearly they are both evil, there is a big difference between killing someone that is in your way and going around looking for someone to kill. If you do not realise this then your moral compass is arseways.

Didn't do it for no reason. And wtf have Israel been doing the last month? Come on?

They have been killing people in their way, as I said.

No they f**king haven't been "killing people in their way". They've been deliberately terrorising and targetting the entire Gaza population. If you are stupid enough to belive that Israel is only targeting Hammas figures and that any civilians killed just "got in the way", then I've a big f**king bridge to Scotland to sell you.

Christ but it's scary to think there are people as gullible as you walking among us.

Nobody believes that Israel aren't killing people, but at this point in time they are not trying to kill everyone all the same.

[Armagh18]

Hamas did wrong of course, but 1. It was nowhere near as bad as is being made out. 2. They didn't randomly do it for no reason out of the blue, they did nothing Israel hasnt been doing for years.

Don't minimise it. Neither Israel nor pretty much anyone else have gone on a rampage killing civilian men, women and children. While clearly they are both evil, there is a big difference between killing someone that is in your way and going around looking for someone to kill. If you do not realise this then your moral compass is arseways.

Didn't do it for no reason. And wtf have Israel been doing the last month? Come on?

They have been killing people in their way, as I said.

No they f**king haven't been "killing people in their way". They've been deliberately terrorising and targetting the entire Gaza population. If you are stupid enough to belive that Israel is only targeting Hammas figures and that any civilians killed just "got in the way", then I've a big f**king bridge to Scotland to sell you.

Christ but it's scary to think there are people as gullible as you walking among us.

Nobody believes that Israel aren't killing people, but at this point in time they are not trying to kill everyone all the same.

Yeah sure just bomb the shite out of the place, might be a few survive anyway

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Hamas did wrong of course, but 1. It was nowhere near as bad as is being made out. 2. They didn't randomly do it for no reason out of the blue, they did nothing Israel hasnt been doing for years.

Don't minimise it. Neither Israel nor pretty much anyone else have gone on a rampage killing civilian men, women and children. While clearly they are both evil, there is a big difference between killing someone that is in your way and going around looking for someone to kill. If you do not realise this then your moral compass is arseways.

Didn't do it for no reason. And wtf have Israel been doing the last month? Come on?

They have been killing people in their way, as I said.

No they f**king haven't been "killing people in their way". They've been deliberately terrorising and targetting the entire Gaza population. If you are stupid enough to belive that Israel is only targeting Hammas figures and that any civilians killed just "got in the way", then I've a big f**king bridge to Scotland to sell you.

Christ but it's scary to think there are people as gullible as you walking among us.

Nobody believes that Israel aren't killing people, but at this point in time they are not trying to kill everyone all the same.

their bombs are sent with love.  You are arguing genocide is not as bad as Hamas actions on Oct 7.

[LeoMc]

Are you arguing that Israel's actions are not as depraved because the Hamas murders were close up with knives and guns (the only weapons available) rather than from behind a computer screen using the best weapons available (courtesy of Uncle Sam).

Neither had any concern for the innocence of the victims, and neither, in recent statements have shown an inclination to stop.


Don't name the dead children.
Don't remember the dead children.
Don't think of the dead children.
Don't say: 'dead children

[trueblue1234]

Hamas did wrong of course, but 1. It was nowhere near as bad as is being made out. 2. They didn't randomly do it for no reason out of the blue, they did nothing Israel hasnt been doing for years.

Don't minimise it. Neither Israel nor pretty much anyone else have gone on a rampage killing civilian men, women and children. While clearly they are both evil, there is a big difference between killing someone that is in your way and going around looking for someone to kill. If you do not realise this then your moral compass is arseways.

Didn't do it for no reason. And wtf have Israel been doing the last month? Come on?

They have been killing people in their way, as I said.

No they f**king haven't been "killing people in their way". They've been deliberately terrorising and targetting the entire Gaza population. If you are stupid enough to belive that Israel is only targeting Hammas figures and that any civilians killed just "got in the way", then I've a big f**king bridge to Scotland to sell you.

Christ but it's scary to think there are people as gullible as you walking among us.

Nobody believes that Israel aren't killing people, but at this point in time they are not trying to kill everyone all the same.

They are doing a much better job than Hamas of killing everyone. And that's no defence of Hamas. Your mental gymnastics to somehow try and imply that Israel's actions are in anyway less evil than Hamas's actions is crazy.

[seafoid]

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1721352933441151477
Israel has destroyed and/or bombed every university in Gaza and bombed multiple hospitals, now including the pediatric oncology ward of Al-Rantisi. Meanwhile, a "senior security source" in the Israeli govt has claimed 20,000 – or 1% of Gaza's entire population – has been killed.

But it's not enough for Israeli civil society: In the past week, 100 Israeli doctors, including pediatricians, have signed a letter urging more attacks on hospitals, while 50 Israeli rabbis have issued a letter giving halakhic approval to bomb medical facilities in Gaza. "the residents of Gaza" have "brought their annihilation upon themselves," the Israeli doctors proclaim.

Unlike you seaf, Max doesn't provide a link to support his quotes re the doctors, so I have no idea if they are real or not.  But he works for the Grayzone, which receives significant funding from China and Russia, and has regular anti-Ukraine, anti-Taiwan, anti-Hong Kong pieces. So I'd say you could find more reliable sources.

Here it is in Hebrew
https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/17o7fqm/1000_israeli_doctors_demand_that_their_army_bomb/

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israeli-rabbis-tell-netanyahu-that-israel-has-a-right-to-bomb-al-shifa-hospital-in-gaza/

[Hound]

Chris Johns (on the Dunphy podcast) had a take on why Keir Starmer is following the government line on not calling for an outright ceasefire. He said it's because he's been briefed by British Intelligence about planned attacks on major Western cities, and he speculated that a couple may already have been thwarted, but that if there is an attack, the West will respond hard.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1721352933441151477
Israel has destroyed and/or bombed every university in Gaza and bombed multiple hospitals, now including the pediatric oncology ward of Al-Rantisi. Meanwhile, a "senior security source" in the Israeli govt has claimed 20,000 – or 1% of Gaza's entire population – has been killed.

But it's not enough for Israeli civil society: In the past week, 100 Israeli doctors, including pediatricians, have signed a letter urging more attacks on hospitals, while 50 Israeli rabbis have issued a letter giving halakhic approval to bomb medical facilities in Gaza. "the residents of Gaza" have "brought their annihilation upon themselves," the Israeli doctors proclaim.

Unlike you seaf, Max doesn't provide a link to support his quotes re the doctors, so I have no idea if they are real or not.  But he works for the Grayzone, which receives significant funding from China and Russia, and has regular anti-Ukraine, anti-Taiwan, anti-Hong Kong pieces. So I'd say you could find more reliable sources.

so post this after posting about british intelligence without any qualification.

here might be a better source,

https://twitter.com/GhassanAbuSitt1/status/1721076636047507677?t=xfeGeZq4A_aW64bEny4JNQ&s=19

Ah php, your posts are usually reasonable but that's a great example of false equivalence!
Everyone here knows Dunphy, most know Johns. Starmer confirmed he was briefed by British Intelligence, didn't give any specifics. So on this discussion board I'm just putting it out there that it might be a reason for Starmer's position, which is a surprise to many. Whether people here want to believe British Intelligence is an entirely different matter! 

I see you agree that there are better sources than Grayzone, cheers