Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[J70]

We're the Palestinians ever offered their own state by the Israelis?

The 1947 UN Partition plan for Palestine proposed an Arab State and a Jewish state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

The UN Partition Plan took half of Palestine to give to the Zionists.

there was a civil war in Ireland over letting the Brits keep 6 counties. Imagine the uproar if the UN handed over 16.

If they'd tried to accommodate an Israeli state after WW1 when the UK & France were redrawing country boundaries all over the Middle East it might have had a better chance, but the political will wasn't there, it took the Holocaust to create the political will.

I can't help thinking  the new Jewish state  of israel was  left alone and  given a free reign because of the halocaust . 

In a similar way,  the unionist government  was given free reign to do what  it liked to Catholics after partition

From the perspective of 2023 it looks like the Arabs turned down a very good deal, the Arab state proposed is much larger than anything they are likely to get now.

But from the perspective of 1947 the Arabs made up about 2/3 of the population and got about 1/3 of the land.

Yep. Was it not the following day after the British pulled out that the surrounding Arab nations invaded? 3/4 million Palestinians were then displaced in the war and neither or their descendants have ever returned to their lands or homes and many of them are still in refugee facilities. Like you, I get their opposition at the time, but that was the high point for what was going to be available to them. With this folk memory, would any Gazan Palestinian who still wants to live out their life there dare to leave?

[Eire90]

will the flag wavers be boycotting mcdonalds

[AustinPowers]

will the flag wavers be boycotting mcdonalds

Are they  using Israeli spuds?

[Armagh18]

will the flag wavers be boycotting mcdonalds

Any excuse to avoid that dump lol. What have they done?

[johnnycool]

will the flag wavers be boycotting mcdonalds

Any excuse to avoid that dump lol. What have they done?

Giving free food to the Israeli Army.

[Armagh18]

will the flag wavers be boycotting mcdonalds

Any excuse to avoid that dump lol. What have they done?

Giving free food to the Israeli Army.

That shite will kill them quicker than Hamas!

[seafoid]

You could not make this up

Israel collecting digital evidence for war crimes case against Hamas

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2023-10-26/ty-article/.premium/israel-collecting-digital-evidence-for-war-crimes-case-against-hamas

[burdizzo]

Yep. Was it not the following day after the British pulled out that the surrounding Arab nations invaded? 3/4 million Palestinians were then displaced in the war and neither or their descendants have ever returned to their lands or homes and many of them are still in refugee facilities. Like you, I get their opposition at the time, but that was the high point for what was going to be available to them. With this folk memory, would any Gazan Palestinian who still wants to live out their life there dare to leave?

How many Germans fled from their lands after the second world war? I know they lost and all, but you don't hear them going on about it. Why is their cause so different to the Palestinians'?

[J70]

Yep. Was it not the following day after the British pulled out that the surrounding Arab nations invaded? 3/4 million Palestinians were then displaced in the war and neither or their descendants have ever returned to their lands or homes and many of them are still in refugee facilities. Like you, I get their opposition at the time, but that was the high point for what was going to be available to them. With this folk memory, would any Gazan Palestinian who still wants to live out their life there dare to leave?

How many Germans fled from their lands after the second world war? I know they lost and all, but you don't hear them going on about it. Why is their cause so different to the Palestinians'?

Apart from the circumstances in which they fled or were expelled from the territories that the Nazis had just ravaged and committed the worst war crimes in history?

[seafoid]

Yep. Was it not the following day after the British pulled out that the surrounding Arab nations invaded? 3/4 million Palestinians were then displaced in the war and neither or their descendants have ever returned to their lands or homes and many of them are still in refugee facilities. Like you, I get their opposition at the time, but that was the high point for what was going to be available to them. With this folk memory, would any Gazan Palestinian who still wants to live out their life there dare to leave?

How many Germans fled from their lands after the second world war? I know they lost and all, but you don't hear them going on about it. Why is their cause so different to the Palestinians'?

Germany had caused 3 wars by 1939 and was a warmongering state. The previous equivalent was Napoleon. In both cases an alliance of powers put smacht on them.

Israel is a settler colonial outpost which dispossessed Palestinians. If the German experience was universal why are there still GAA fans in the 6 counties ? It's because losing ownership does not mean exile.

[armaghniac]

Yep. Was it not the following day after the British pulled out that the surrounding Arab nations invaded? 3/4 million Palestinians were then displaced in the war and neither or their descendants have ever returned to their lands or homes and many of them are still in refugee facilities. Like you, I get their opposition at the time, but that was the high point for what was going to be available to them. With this folk memory, would any Gazan Palestinian who still wants to live out their life there dare to leave?

How many Germans fled from their lands after the second world war? I know they lost and all, but you don't hear them going on about it. Why is their cause so different to the Palestinians'?

Germany had caused 3 wars by 1939 and was a warmongering state. The previous equivalent was Napoleon. In both cases an alliance of powers put smacht on them.

Israel is a settler colonial outpost which dispossessed Palestinians. If the German experience was universal why are there still GAA fans in the 6 counties ? It's because losing ownership does not mean exile.

Presumably burdizzo would rid the six counties of GAA fans.
As for Germans, perhaps they should have made East Prussia the homeland for European Jews?

[burdizzo]

Presumably burdizzo would rid the six counties of GAA fans.
As for Germans, perhaps they should have made East Prussia the homeland for European Jews?

Why would I do that?? Being a GAA fan myself?

No, Madagascar was the plan, and they should have stuck with it. They couldn't expand further than the bounds of the island or cause trouble. Mind you, they'd probably still cause trouble...

[AustinPowers]

Presumably burdizzo would rid the six counties of GAA fans.
As for Germans, perhaps they should have made East Prussia the homeland for European Jews?

Why would I do that?? Being a GAA fan myself?

No, Madagascar was the plan, and they should have stuck with it. They couldn't expand further than the bounds of the island or cause trouble. Mind you, they'd probably still cause trouble...

In 1950, the population of Madagascar was  over 4 million. There's  now 28 million. Over 80% are Christian.

They'd have treated  local Madagascar folk  like the Palestinians . Or probably worse

[armaghniac]

Presumably burdizzo would rid the six counties of GAA fans.
As for Germans, perhaps they should have made East Prussia the homeland for European Jews?

Why would I do that?? Being a GAA fan myself?

No, Madagascar was the plan, and they should have stuck with it. They couldn't expand further than the bounds of the island or cause trouble. Mind you, they'd probably still cause trouble...

Are there no people in Madagascar?

[burdizzo]

I think Austin Powers has answered that. It was comparatively sparsely populated in the 1940s, and obviously a bit bigger.