Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Armagh18]

Terrorist state. Shame on anyone supporting those scum

[Hound]

Snapchap, I'm not sure if you're blind or a just lying  if you are saying I have not responded to that question. But I'm certainly not going to answer the same question again and again and again!

I would be interested in reading that full NY Times article. Their headline suggests that there's still not enough evidence to determine either way but I can't read the full article.

Did you read the CNN article?

[Hound]

The UN Secretary General has grown a big, bold set of balls and come out and said out loud what we all know and think.

Will he last today in his job?

If he's forced to resign then you might as well bin the UN as an entity, they're only the play things for the US and it's allies.

They'd two guys on Sky News talking about it this morning, both interviewed by Kay Burley. 

First was a UK minister who, without calling for resignations, supported the Israeli position
The second was a former consul in Jerusalem (a Brit) and he was excellent in full support of the UN position while condemning Hamas.

Kay Burley has quite the reputation, but she didn't ask the minister any decent questions.

[JoG2]

The UN Secretary General has grown a big, bold set of balls and come out and said out loud what we all know and think.

Will he last today in his job?

If he's forced to resign then you might as well bin the UN as an entity, they're only the play things for the US and it's allies.

Will be very interesting to see how this plays out, could the tide be slowly turning??

There's a passage in the news article referring to world leaders meeting yesterday debating whether a cease fire to allow humanitarian help would be a good idea... Jesus wept

[Snapchap]

Snapchap, I'm not sure if you're blind or a just lying  if you are saying I have not responded to that question. But I'm certainly not going to answer the same question again and again and again!

I would be interested in reading that full NY Times article. Their headline suggests that there's still not enough evidence to determine either way but I can't read the full article.

Did you read the CNN article?

You didn't answer the specific point. You claimed you said Israel were anxious to "seem" open and transparent and that you stood by that. What you actually claimed is that they were anxious to "BE" open and transparent.

We now have multiple sources which have cast doubt on the veracity of the evidence they used in the press conference. So it's a fairly simple question: do you still believe Israel were being open and transparent in that press conference?

As for the article, it's on their site. It doesn't make any claims as to who carried out the attack. The central subject of the piece is that Israels video evidence (used in the press conference where you claimed they were being open and transparent) does, in their eyes, not show what Israel tried to claim it showed.

[Milltown Row2]

Snap, your are a dog with a bone, I've yet to see definitive evidence, neither have you, so that's cleared up that.

There is absolutely no questioning that the IDF have lied about most of their actions

So lets move on and if the Hound hasn't satisfied your needs, then let it go

[seafoid]

2360 Palestinian kids murdered in less than a fortnight
https://www.msn.com/de-ch/nachrichten/international/unicef-2360-kinder-im-gazastreifen-bei-israels-angriffen-get%C3%B6tet/



MR. Here are some videos of Israel's recent work
 https://twitter.com/normfinkelstein/status/1712812455439548895
White phosphorous burns at 800 degrees celsius and sticks to skin

  https://twitter.com/umyaznemo/status/1712871699689914417


If you were in Béal Feirste in the 70s and someone was found with their throat cut but there was no evidence of who did it  would you have said it couldn't be the Shankhill Butchersafter 3 such murders linked to them? Just wondering

[Snapchap]

Snap, your are a dog with a bone, I've yet to see definitive evidence, neither have you, so that's cleared up that.

There is absolutely no questioning that the IDF have lied about most of their actions

So lets move on and if the Hound hasn't satisfied your needs, then let it go

MR2, you're missing the point. You're saying there's "absolutely no questioning that the IDF have lied"...Well that's what I'd have thought too. Yet hound said the opposite. He said they were "being open and transparent" about the hospital attack. I'm simply trying to get a straight answer as to whether he still stands over that opinion in light of a sucession of experts claiming their evidence was misleading and/or totally fabricated.

So far all he has managed is to do is:

• Keep restating that nobody can provide definitive evidence for who did it (which is just a statement of the blindingly obvious and not what my point related to in the slightest). Indidentally, your post above begins with that same argument for some reason. Surely you aren't silly enough to miss my central point that badly? The entire debate was about whether Israel was being honest with people in it's response - not about whether definitive evidence exists.
• State that he stands over the idea that Isreal were trying to "seem" like they were being open and transparent (yet that is not what his initial claim was - he said they were trying to "be" open and transparent; not that they were trying to "seem" open and transparent)

It's a discussion forum. With respect, you're not a mod. I'm allowed to press a point with someone when they're desperately trying to avoid answering a very straight question.

[Milltown Row2]

2360 Palestinian kids murdered in less than a fortnight
https://www.msn.com/de-ch/nachrichten/international/unicef-2360-kinder-im-gazastreifen-bei-israels-angriffen-get%C3%B6tet/



MR. Here are some videos of Israel's recent work
 https://twitter.com/normfinkelstein/status/1712812455439548895
White phosphorous burns at 800 degrees celsius and sticks to skin

  https://twitter.com/umyaznemo/status/1712871699689914417


If you were in Béal Feirste in the 70s and someone was found with their throat cut but there was no evidence of who did it  would you have said it couldn't be the Shankhill Butchersafter 3 such murders linked to them? Just wondering

You are barking up the wrong tree here Seafoid, I wouldn't trust the Israeli government or officials as for as I could throw them.

As for throats being cut by the Shankill butchers, my sons great grandfather was one such victim, so not liking your post on that. But hey ho I wouldn't be bringing up atrocities in the north and disinformation, it wasn't called the 'Dirty War' for nothing and plenty of deaths in the 70's that were horrific that happened on both sides. Could list them if you want..

You are or were well insulated from the going on's up here, getting battered by the Atlantic wind would be the height of it for you

[seafoid]

Dies Netanyahu and his gang of thugs realise that they have created maybe 50,000 new guerrillas to fight them in the future by their indiscriminate bombing and killing of Civilians including 2,000 children

Arrogant use of brute force seldom pays off.

Dunno. Look at Hiroshima. Look at Nagasaki. Even Dresden. If anything, the Israelis aren't going hard enough. I remember our old history teacher saying there's no use in being half-assed about using force: either don't use it at all, or use it so brutally that the population will be cowed into submission. Thus, if there's a sniper in a block of flats, destroy the whole block of flats. Make the populace see there's no profit in harbouring insurgents. He was talking about putting down unrest in the Eastern Bloc countries (and he was a communist), but the same could apply here. Mind you, the Israelis are possibly getting there in the brutality stakes.

Hiroshima is not a valid comparison. That was during a world war. Gaza versus Israel is more like the Croppies versus the english in 1798 or 1916 at the GPO.

[johnnycool]

Dies Netanyahu and his gang of thugs realise that they have created maybe 50,000 new guerrillas to fight them in the future by their indiscriminate bombing and killing of Civilians including 2,000 children

Arrogant use of brute force seldom pays off.

Dunno. Look at Hiroshima. Look at Nagasaki. Even Dresden. If anything, the Israelis aren't going hard enough. I remember our old history teacher saying there's no use in being half-assed about using force: either don't use it at all, or use it so brutally that the population will be cowed into submission. Thus, if there's a sniper in a block of flats, destroy the whole block of flats. Make the populace see there's no profit in harbouring insurgents. He was talking about putting down unrest in the Eastern Bloc countries (and he was a communist), but the same could apply here. Mind you, the Israelis are possibly getting there in the brutality stakes.

Was your old History teacher educated in Sandhurst?

[LeoMc]

The UN Secretary General has grown a big, bold set of balls and come out and said out loud what we all know and think.

Will he last today in his job?

If he's forced to resign then you might as well bin the UN as an entity, they're only the play things for the US and it's allies.

I don't see anything controversial in his statement. He is rightly condemning both the Hamas attacks and the Israeli response.

Unlike many, he is not justifying either.

The grievances of the Palestinian people cannot justify the horrific attacks by Hamas.

Those horrendous attacks cannot justify the collective punishment of the Palestinian people.

[whitey]

We're the Palestinians ever offered their own state by the Israelis?

[dec]

We're the Palestinians ever offered their own state by the Israelis?

The 1947 UN Partition plan for Palestine proposed an Arab State and a Jewish state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

[LeoMc]

There were several, ever decreasing offers over the years. All were rejected by the Palestinians.

Depending on your point of view

A. It is like Russia offering Ukraine some of the Donbass to end the war.

B. It is like Unionists turning down Sunningdale and the Anglo-Irish agreement. They keep ending up with less than previously offered.