Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Snapchap]

I wouldn't trust either side as far as I could throw them.  Unless there's an independent investigation we'll never be sure of the truth about the hospital.

Of course it cannot be proven, but we can consider the most likely scenario. It was ether the single most powerful palestinian rocket that has ever been made and which by sheer bad luck, misfired. Or...just maybe... it was the same group (the IDF) which bombed it twice beforehand earlier the same week and which told the hospital director that they wee going to bomb it again and that they'd better evacuate.



Israel: "We're gonna bomb another hospital"

Israel: *bombs hospital*
          *bombs hospital a second time*

Israel: *calls hospital director* "we're gonna do it again. better get out while you can."

Israel: *bombs hospital a third time*

Israel: "It wasn't us, it was the Palestinians."

Western media: "I guess it was the Palestinians"

The images of the crater would (if that was the crater) suggest that it wasn't that big of a rocket? The fact that there was so many in that courtyard which has compounded things and increased the death toll.. Targeting hospitals and schools earlier is just horrendous

Or it was one of the numerous types of bombs which are used by the IDF that explode before impact? And shall we ignore the fact the attack on the hospital imminently followed an Israeli warning that they were going to carry out such an attack? And take the fact that they bombed it twice earlier in the week as just a coincidence?

As someone said previously here, it's a case of Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is generally the right one. This Palestinian building was most probably bombed by the same organisation that has dropped over ten thousand bombs on Palestinians buildings in the last 12 days, and which announced it's intention to bomb the hospital just before it was bombed.

It honestly staggers me that anyone who knows anything about our own recent history could look at Israel, a state that routinely commits war crimes and has routinely been caught trying to cover them up/lying about them, could take their denials about this weeks events at face value. If an IDF spokesperson tells you it's October, the first thing you should do is go and check your calender.

[Itchy]

The fact there's people on here who believe the lies of the IDF and the Israeli government is staggering.

People actually believe Islamic jihad and Hamas have bypassed Israel's siege and got their hands on hi tec weapons and then only decided to use them last night. Then the first time they use the weapon it mis fires and lands on a hospital.

Which then just happens to be the same hospital Israel bombed days earlier and had warned everyone inside to evacuate in 3 seperate warnings over the previous days.

Really?

And you believe maniacs who cut people heads off and murdered babies less than a two weeks ago

Are these the beheaded babies that Joe Biden saw and then that he didnt see. The same ones Israel said happened but then couldnt confirm they happened.

I would believe anyone ahead of lying Israels and lying America. Both have lied and lied and lied for decades about a whole manner of things, from 9/11 to Iraq to Gaza. Only the most stupid people could take anything they say at face value.

[Itchy]

I wouldn't trust either side as far as I could throw them.  Unless there's an independent investigation we'll never be sure of the truth about the hospital.

Do you believe the experts that CH4 news used that declared the audio submitted by Israel was a forgery? Or does CH4 have some bias towards Hamas in your eyes? Assuming you accept this evidence and that means Israel is capable of a bare faced lie, would it then not be reasonable to question everything else they say too. I means its not like this is the first time is it? Or maybe you believe Israel has be honest on all occassions, such as when they killed the american journalist and claimed it was Palestinian or the time they bombed the kids on the beach and claimed they didnt - in both cases they were found to be lying.

[tonto1888]

A fighter plane payload would have be some size to kill 500 people, see pictures there, what I don't see is a crater that come with a bomb of such size. Can't see how a misfiring rockets would do the same damage either. I wait to more information comes out!

I suspect such information will show that in fact the number of fatalities was much less than 500.

As for the baby murderers remark I think the Israelis are outdoing themselves on that one

With large numbers of Hamas fighters roaming around, likely coked out of their heads, there may well have a been a baby tortured or several women raped. With military operations that is par for the course. But Isreali propaganda multiplied this several times over.

well i suppose it just easier to make stuff up now.

likely coked out of their heads. Wow

[Itchy]

A fighter plane payload would have be some size to kill 500 people, see pictures there, what I don't see is a crater that come with a bomb of such size. Can't see how a misfiring rockets would do the same damage either. I wait to more information comes out!

I suspect such information will show that in fact the number of fatalities was much less than 500.

As for the baby murderers remark I think the Israelis are outdoing themselves on that one

With large numbers of Hamas fighters roaming around, likely coked out of their heads, there may well have a been a baby tortured or several women raped. With military operations that is par for the course. But Isreali propaganda multiplied this several times over.

well i suppose it just easier to make stuff up now.

likely coked out of their heads. Wow

Yeh Tonto, did you not know there is a big Coke scene in Gaza. Israel lets the coke in but stops the water and electricity. Then those bastards in Hamas dont share the coke and take it all for themselves and the poor kids of Gaza go without. I got this on Fox news when they were interviewing a guy from news-site www.ihatepalestinianbabies.com

[trueblue1234]

At worst, I could maybe understand someone having some doubts and thinking that they might hold fire making a comment until more information is out there. Misfires can happen and all that. But given that They threatened to bomb said hospital, Had hit it twice earlier in the week, had messed up media accounts, that showed they definitely lied at some point, then tried to present a recording that has been bebunked by C4, Who by far are the most trustworthy news in the UK imo (Maybe not a high bar to be fair) and others. Then I don't know how you would ever think the most likely cause was a misfire. It would take pretty significant evidence by independent experts for me to believe that it was a misfire given the above information. I'm not saying it's not possible, but on the basis of what's out there you would have to be of the opinion that it was IDF. That's before looking at the fact the rocket seemed to be more powerful than anything Hamas has done previously. And the fact that the IDF are bombing the sh!te out of the area.

[Itchy]

At worst, I could maybe understand someone having some doubts and thinking that they might hold fire making a comment until more information is out there. Misfires can happen and all that. But given that They threatened to bomb said hospital, Had hit it twice earlier in the week, had messed up media accounts, that showed they definitely lied at some point, then tried to present a recording that has been bebunked by C4, Who by far are the most trustworthy news in the UK imo (Maybe not a high bar to be fair) and others. Then I don't know how you would ever think the most likely cause was a misfire. It would take pretty significant evidence by independent experts for me to believe that it was a misfire given the above information. I'm not saying it's not possible, but on the basis of what's out there you would have to be of the opinion that it was IDF. That's before looking at the fact the rocket seemed to be more powerful than anything Hamas has done previously. And the fact that the IDF are bombing the sh!te out of the area.

Way too much sense in that post, you are clearly an Anti-Semite

[clarshack]

just seen that the wee autistic Israeli girl that was taken hostage along with her Grandmother have been found dead. it's barbaric to kill innocents like this.

[An Watcher]

Terrible.  Was she killed by the Palestinians or rockets from Israel?

[Milltown Row2]

I wouldn't trust either side as far as I could throw them.  Unless there's an independent investigation we'll never be sure of the truth about the hospital.

Of course it cannot be proven, but we can consider the most likely scenario. It was ether the single most powerful palestinian rocket that has ever been made and which by sheer bad luck, misfired. Or...just maybe... it was the same group (the IDF) which bombed it twice beforehand earlier the same week and which told the hospital director that they wee going to bomb it again and that they'd better evacuate.



Israel: "We're gonna bomb another hospital"

Israel: *bombs hospital*
          *bombs hospital a second time*

Israel: *calls hospital director* "we're gonna do it again. better get out while you can."

Israel: *bombs hospital a third time*

Israel: "It wasn't us, it was the Palestinians."

Western media: "I guess it was the Palestinians"

The images of the crater would (if that was the crater) suggest that it wasn't that big of a rocket? The fact that there was so many in that courtyard which has compounded things and increased the death toll.. Targeting hospitals and schools earlier is just horrendous

Or it was one of the numerous types of bombs which are used by the IDF that explode before impact? And shall we ignore the fact the attack on the hospital imminently followed an Israeli warning that they were going to carry out such an attack? And take the fact that they bombed it twice earlier in the week as just a coincidence?

As someone said previously here, it's a case of Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is generally the right one. This Palestinian building was most probably bombed by the same organisation that has dropped over ten thousand bombs on Palestinians buildings in the last 12 days, and which announced it's intention to bomb the hospital just before it was bombed.

It honestly staggers me that anyone who knows anything about our own recent history could look at Israel, a state that routinely commits war crimes and has routinely been caught trying to cover them up/lying about them, could take their denials about this weeks events at face value. If an IDF spokesperson tells you it's October, the first thing you should do is go and check your calender.

Not sure on the rest of your post tbf, I'm just discussing the crater and the amount of people in the courtyard, I've no knowledge of rockets or bombs. But believing the Israel's statements would be foolish in the extreme, a blind man on a galloping horse can see though, that there will be disinformation on both sides during a war..

[Denn Forever]

At worst, I could maybe understand someone having some doubts and thinking that they might hold fire making a comment until more information is out there. Misfires can happen and all that. But given that They threatened to bomb said hospital, Had hit it twice earlier in the week, had messed up media accounts, that showed they definitely lied at some point, then tried to present a recording that has been bebunked by C4, Who by far are the most trustworthy news in the UK imo (Maybe not a high bar to be fair) and others. Then I don't know how you would ever think the most likely cause was a misfire. It would take pretty significant evidence by independent experts for me to believe that it was a misfire given the above information. I'm not saying it's not possible, but on the basis of what's out there you would have to be of the opinion that it was IDF. That's before looking at the fact the rocket seemed to be more powerful than anything Hamas has done previously. And the fact that the IDF are bombing the sh!te out of the area.

Way too much sense in that post, you are clearly an Anti-Semite

Almost missed that one.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Terrible.  Was she killed by the Palestinians or rockets from Israel?

a lot of misinformaiton out there (not that it has changed the terrible outcome), it appears she was not taken hostage but was killed in the Hamas attack on the 7th. Other reports suggest she was found on palestinian terrority, which suggests she was takem hostage but seems less likely.

[Hound]

At worst, I could maybe understand someone having some doubts and thinking that they might hold fire making a comment until more information is out there. Misfires can happen and all that. But given that They threatened to bomb said hospital, Had hit it twice earlier in the week, had messed up media accounts, that showed they definitely lied at some point, then tried to present a recording that has been bebunked by C4, Who by far are the most trustworthy news in the UK imo (Maybe not a high bar to be fair) and others. Then I don't know how you would ever think the most likely cause was a misfire. It would take pretty significant evidence by independent experts for me to believe that it was a misfire given the above information. I'm not saying it's not possible, but on the basis of what's out there you would have to be of the opinion that it was IDF. That's before looking at the fact the rocket seemed to be more powerful than anything Hamas has done previously. And the fact that the IDF are bombing the sh!te out of the area.

You have to treat the utterances of both sides with a lot of scepticism. Hamas were the first ones to come out saying the Israelis did it when at that stage they couldn't possibly know either way, and again not that you could believe them anyway.

The alleged Hamas recordings were clearly the weakest part of the Israeli evidence. The 'debunking' was by two Arab journalists.  I take both the recording and the 'debunking' with equal pinches of salt.

While we know Israel have history of hitting both schools and hospitals, there seems to be no clear evidence to say Israel threatened to blow up this hospital. The head of the hospital said there was no warning. Would he lie? There were 3,000 people at or near the hospital.

The full C4 video is here by the way. The previous one shared above was clipped to take out the bit where they say it can't have been a standard Israel missile given the lack of damage and sceptism about the numbers that Hamas said have died. But it doesn't rule out either a misfiring Palestinian rocket nor a different type of Israeli weapon.
https://www.channel4.com/news/who-was-behind-the-gaza-hospital-blast-visual-investigation

Sky said that the minor explosion caught on the Al Jazeera camera above the hospital immediately prior to the main explosion at ground level strongly suggests a misfire, but could have been a Palestinian or Israeli misfire.

Al Jazeera's coverage (Sky 511) is very good. It must be 20 years since I looked at it and there has been a complete sea change. Their presenters are a tad biased, as are their scroll machine writers (not unexpectedly and not unforgivable) but most of their guests are excellent.

I don't know who bombed the hospital and my inclination is the evidence points away from the Israelis, but either way there is far too much being overshadowed by the hospital, Israelis are killing people continuously in most part of Gaza and the West Bank.

[Applesisapples]

Let's not go crawling up Biden's hole if he survives long enough to return to the oul sod.

Biden has lost all credibility with me, I hope Trump hands him his ass in the next election.

[seafoid]

The hospital before https://twitter.com/Bazingaaaa_a/status/1714371598256349206

Dr Abu Sitta https://twitter.com/mohammedakunjee/status/1714592340269023329