Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[armaghniac]

here the head of the EU is doing some justification for murdering Palestinians

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1712026324724773083?t=iZqIhVjGoUF5dYSXLRUpLg&s=19

It is perfectly rational to state the Israel should defend itself, while still having reservations about the manner of the actions that they take.
One characteristic of this issue is people backing either side unconditionally, when all we have is shades of grey.

total and utter bullshit... there is no reversations in the statement about the 'manner' of response, there is no comment on the 75 years of oppression, no comment on the 260 dead children on Gaza, no comment on Palestinian right to defend themselves, no mention of turning off financial support to Israel who acts like terrorists.

side with the occupier or the those occupied.. it is very simple.

The statement comes before Isreal's actions, so could not condemn them yet.
I would be a bit suspicious of Von Der Leyen, Germans committed genocide on the ancestors of many of the inhabitants of Israel and may over compensate as a result.
This is not black and white and it is no benefit whatsoever for Palestinians if people are too lazy to reflect on the realities of the situation.

And it is not a question only of being occupied, being occupied does not legitimise savagery, the La Mon atrocity here was not justified because we are occupied. 

[Pub Bore]

Just on the babies thing, the only source is an Israeli reporter who cited "soldiers" as he source.The IDF has refused to confirm this.

The IDF has refused to confirm this so far.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1711774401463550026

I saw an Israeli soldier interviewed on the BBC last night who (in broken English) said "There were babies with their heads cut".  What he meant exactly wasn't followed up by the BBC who (so far) haven't mentioned beheadings of babies, though they did report on one woman being beheaded.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

here the head of the EU is doing some justification for murdering Palestinians

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1712026324724773083?t=iZqIhVjGoUF5dYSXLRUpLg&s=19

It is perfectly rational to state the Israel should defend itself, while still having reservations about the manner of the actions that they take.
One characteristic of this issue is people backing either side unconditionally, when all we have is shades of grey.

total and utter bullshit... there is no reversations in the statement about the 'manner' of response, there is no comment on the 75 years of oppression, no comment on the 260 dead children on Gaza, no comment on Palestinian right to defend themselves, no mention of turning off financial support to Israel who acts like terrorists.

side with the occupier or the those occupied.. it is very simple.

The statement comes before Isreal's actions, so could not condemn them yet.
I would be a bit suspicious of Von Der Leyen, Germans committed genocide on the ancestors of many of the inhabitants of Israel and may over compensate as a result.
This is not black and white and it is no benefit whatsoever for Palestinians if people are too lazy to reflect on the realities of the situation.

And it is not a question only of being occupied, being occupied does not legitimise savagery, the La Mon atrocity here was not justified because we are occupied.

what are you on about 260 children and 205 women murdered in Gaza since the weekend. 38 children were killed up to mid Sept by Israel. this didnt start last weekend.  talk about being too lazy to reflect on realities..

Israel legitimises savagery, the US the EU and the UK do, they actively support it.

[seafoid]

Just on the babies thing, the only source is an Israeli reporter who cited "soldiers" as he source.The IDF has refused to confirm this.

The IDF has refused to confirm this so far.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1711774401463550026

All the right wing English papers ran with the 40 babies story and I saw it on Italian TV too but it came from the same place as the rape narrative. There is a lot of gaslighting coming from Israel. As Winston Churchill is alleged to have said about WW2, "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on". And that was before the social media echo chambers.

[Itchy]

here the head of the EU is doing some justification for murdering Palestinians

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1712026324724773083?t=iZqIhVjGoUF5dYSXLRUpLg&s=19

It is perfectly rational to state the Israel should defend itself, while still having reservations about the manner of the actions that they take.
One characteristic of this issue is people backing either side unconditionally, when all we have is shades of grey.

Seen a good one today, cartoon of an Israeli man poking a Palestinian wasps nest and then running crying to the cameras when the wasps stung him.

The next one should show the Israeli man push a grenade into the wasps nest as he has it on good authority that the wasp that stung him is inside.

[armaghniac]

here the head of the EU is doing some justification for murdering Palestinians

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1712026324724773083?t=iZqIhVjGoUF5dYSXLRUpLg&s=19

It is perfectly rational to state the Israel should defend itself, while still having reservations about the manner of the actions that they take.
One characteristic of this issue is people backing either side unconditionally, when all we have is shades of grey.

total and utter bullshit... there is no reversations in the statement about the 'manner' of response, there is no comment on the 75 years of oppression, no comment on the 260 dead children on Gaza, no comment on Palestinian right to defend themselves, no mention of turning off financial support to Israel who acts like terrorists.

side with the occupier or the those occupied.. it is very simple.

The statement comes before Isreal's actions, so could not condemn them yet.
I would be a bit suspicious of Von Der Leyen, Germans committed genocide on the ancestors of many of the inhabitants of Israel and may over compensate as a result.
This is not black and white and it is no benefit whatsoever for Palestinians if people are too lazy to reflect on the realities of the situation.

And it is not a question only of being occupied, being occupied does not legitimise savagery, the La Mon atrocity here was not justified because we are occupied.

what are you on about 260 children and 205 women murdered in Gaza since the weekend. 38 children were killed up to mid Sept by Israel. this didnt start last weekend.  talk about being too lazy to reflect on realities..

Israel legitimises savagery, the US the EU and the UK do, they actively support it.

Whether all the stores coming out are true, there is no doubt that the Hamas attack was savagery.
I am not a great fan of the EU policy, but they are correct that action against Hamas savagery is appropriate, but that response should not itself involve savagery.

[Franko]

here the head of the EU is doing some justification for murdering Palestinians

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1712026324724773083?t=iZqIhVjGoUF5dYSXLRUpLg&s=19

It is perfectly rational to state the Israel should defend itself, while still having reservations about the manner of the actions that they take.
One characteristic of this issue is people backing either side unconditionally, when all we have is shades of grey.

total and utter bullshit... there is no reversations in the statement about the 'manner' of response, there is no comment on the 75 years of oppression, no comment on the 260 dead children on Gaza, no comment on Palestinian right to defend themselves, no mention of turning off financial support to Israel who acts like terrorists.

side with the occupier or the those occupied.. it is very simple.

The statement comes before Isreal's actions, so could not condemn them yet.
I would be a bit suspicious of Von Der Leyen, Germans committed genocide on the ancestors of many of the inhabitants of Israel and may over compensate as a result.
This is not black and white and it is no benefit whatsoever for Palestinians if people are too lazy to reflect on the realities of the situation.

And it is not a question only of being occupied, being occupied does not legitimise savagery, the La Mon atrocity here was not justified because we are occupied.

what are you on about 260 children and 205 women murdered in Gaza since the weekend. 38 children were killed up to mid Sept by Israel. this didnt start last weekend.  talk about being too lazy to reflect on realities..

Israel legitimises savagery, the US the EU and the UK do, they actively support it.

Whether all the stores coming out are true, there is no doubt that the Hamas attack was savagery.
I am not a great fan of the EU policy, but they are correct that action against Hamas savagery is appropriate, but that response should not itself involve savagery.

Any comment on the Israeli savagery that has already occurred?

Previous to the Hamas attack.

Or does the window to 'reflect on the realities' only last for 5 days?

[Sportacus]

The murder of babies is abhorrent and a war crime. There does seem to have been a rush to report beheadings which may or may not have happened, and may in some publications have fed an agenda, but at the end of the day babies being murdered by whatever means, and on whichever side, is horrific and completely unjustifiable. 

We can argue all day on here about where to apportion blame, but for me personally there is no cause on earth that can ever justify the above.

[trailer]

Trailer if you cannot make coherent and accurate statements, bow out and shut up.

Jews don't all support Israel and Israel doesn't represent all Jews. the resistence is against the occupiers, Israel. The murder of Jews is a narrative used to align palestinian resistence with Nazis who carried out the Holocaust.

Hamas was financially supported and encouraged by Israel to split the Palestinians when it started in the 80s, so not only is the 75 years of massacres and occupation responsible for where we are now, Israel is again directly responsible for the creation of Hamas. 

both siding the argument is only required if you support the rights of Palestinians to resist their occupier, look at the World leaders statements over the last few days, there is no both siding they are unequivocally standing with the occupier.

the caging of 2.2m civilians is not enough for 16 years with frequent slaughters, now they cut water, electric (more than normal), hospitals in Gaza are overwhelmed and now don't even have fuel.

Israel is responsible.

Excuse me? You are not the sole authority on this. Your view is not the truth.

[trailer]

The murder of babies is abhorrent and a war crime. There does seem to have been a rush to report beheadings which may or may not have happened, and may in some publications have fed an agenda, but at the end of the day babies being murdered by whatever means, and on whichever side, is horrific and completely unjustifiable. 

We can argue all day on here about where to apportion blame, but for me personally there is no cause on earth that can ever justify the above.

100%

[PadraicHenryPearse]

here the head of the EU is doing some justification for murdering Palestinians

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1712026324724773083?t=iZqIhVjGoUF5dYSXLRUpLg&s=19

It is perfectly rational to state the Israel should defend itself, while still having reservations about the manner of the actions that they take.
One characteristic of this issue is people backing either side unconditionally, when all we have is shades of grey.

total and utter bullshit... there is no reversations in the statement about the 'manner' of response, there is no comment on the 75 years of oppression, no comment on the 260 dead children on Gaza, no comment on Palestinian right to defend themselves, no mention of turning off financial support to Israel who acts like terrorists.

side with the occupier or the those occupied.. it is very simple.

The statement comes before Isreal's actions, so could not condemn them yet.
I would be a bit suspicious of Von Der Leyen, Germans committed genocide on the ancestors of many of the inhabitants of Israel and may over compensate as a result.
This is not black and white and it is no benefit whatsoever for Palestinians if people are too lazy to reflect on the realities of the situation.

And it is not a question only of being occupied, being occupied does not legitimise savagery, the La Mon atrocity here was not justified because we are occupied.

what are you on about 260 children and 205 women murdered in Gaza since the weekend. 38 children were killed up to mid Sept by Israel. this didnt start last weekend.  talk about being too lazy to reflect on realities..

Israel legitimises savagery, the US the EU and the UK do, they actively support it.

Whether all the stores coming out are true, there is no doubt that the Hamas attack was savagery.
I am not a great fan of the EU policy, but they are correct that action against Hamas savagery is appropriate, but that response should not itself involve savagery.

they have not said that, there is no qualification on standing with Israel. you are peddling nonsense, you ignore or are ignorant of 75 years of oppression and savagery. There is no ask for Israeli and the UK EUU US to both side the argument..  what would you call caging 2.2m people, 1.1m under 18 in Gaza for 16 years, killing 260 children since the weekend, killing over 500 in 2014 in Operation PE and what would you call the government and people who have supported and enabled it

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Trailer if you cannot make coherent and accurate statements, bow out and shut up.

Jews don't all support Israel and Israel doesn't represent all Jews. the resistence is against the occupiers, Israel. The murder of Jews is a narrative used to align palestinian resistence with Nazis who carried out the Holocaust.

Hamas was financially supported and encouraged by Israel to split the Palestinians when it started in the 80s, so not only is the 75 years of massacres and occupation responsible for where we are now, Israel is again directly responsible for the creation of Hamas. 

both siding the argument is only required if you support the rights of Palestinians to resist their occupier, look at the World leaders statements over the last few days, there is no both siding they are unequivocally standing with the occupier.

the caging of 2.2m civilians is not enough for 16 years with frequent slaughters, now they cut water, electric (more than normal), hospitals in Gaza are overwhelmed and now don't even have fuel.

Israel is responsible.

Excuse me? You are not the sole authority on this. Your view is not the truth.

you were throwing out anti semitic tropes a few days, I am vastly more knowledgeable on this topic than you based on your posts. I never claimed my view is the true, I said your view aren't accurate.

[seafoid]

My point is that, you said it was simple....

So the Tailban were fighting the occupiers are you siding with the Tailban?

If you were in Afghanistan who would you side with ? It's a bit of a stupid question in fairness.

[trailer]

Trailer if you cannot make coherent and accurate statements, bow out and shut up.

Jews don't all support Israel and Israel doesn't represent all Jews. the resistence is against the occupiers, Israel. The murder of Jews is a narrative used to align palestinian resistence with Nazis who carried out the Holocaust.

Hamas was financially supported and encouraged by Israel to split the Palestinians when it started in the 80s, so not only is the 75 years of massacres and occupation responsible for where we are now, Israel is again directly responsible for the creation of Hamas. 

both siding the argument is only required if you support the rights of Palestinians to resist their occupier, look at the World leaders statements over the last few days, there is no both siding they are unequivocally standing with the occupier.

the caging of 2.2m civilians is not enough for 16 years with frequent slaughters, now they cut water, electric (more than normal), hospitals in Gaza are overwhelmed and now don't even have fuel.

Israel is responsible.

Excuse me? You are not the sole authority on this. Your view is not the truth.

you were throwing out anti semitic tropes a few days, I am vastly more knowledgeable on this topic than you based on your posts. I never claimed my view is the true, I said your view aren't accurate.

Mentioning the word Jewish anywhere in any sentence appears to be anti semitic now.
We are grateful for your knowledge. Pity it is wasted on a Gaaboard.

[Itchy]

The murder of babies is abhorrent and a war crime. There does seem to have been a rush to report beheadings which may or may not have happened, and may in some publications have fed an agenda, but at the end of the day babies being murdered by whatever means, and on whichever side, is horrific and completely unjustifiable. 

We can argue all day on here about where to apportion blame, but for me personally there is no cause on earth that can ever justify the above.

100%

I haven't seen a shred of evidence I would believe yet on this "killing babies" story. If its true of course its unacceptable. But in the past, almost weekly, I have seen babies and young children murdered by Israel with photographic evidence. I know these babies were brown skined so not as important but still, surely warrants a mention in the EU chambers.