Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Tony Baloney]

I'm sure Hamas don't care about PR but they've lost huge amounts of good will towards the Palestinian people. The planners will be sitting hunkered down in tunnels and bunkers whilst innocent men, women and children are bombed to bits by the Israelis. Disastrous.

[Tubberman]

It is possible to fully support the plight of the Palestine people, and condemn the atrocities on all sides.  That's an opinion.

Standing with a machine gun abducting old women and young children by any measure is not heroic, it just isn't.  That's a fact.

There is absolutely a difference between oppressor and the oppressed.  The Palestinians have been brutalised and driven to desperation.  The Israeli have chosen to brutalise. But f**king wise up suggesting it's heroic to abduct or murder unarmed civilians. Palestinians have been heroic in so many ways, but not that one.

It's also possible to call the Palestinian resistence heroic and understand the horrible realities of conflict/war and understand who bares the responsibility for it.

There should be no requirement for Palestinians to rise up against their oppressor, no requirement for them to take from the Israeli play book of abducting or murdering civilians but Israeli has created this reality.

and if you feel the need to question someone, try ursela von der leyen on twitter who repeats the genocidal call of 'Israel has the right to defend itself' and 'stands with Israel'.  i repeat the Palestinian resistence is heroic and I stand with Palestine. Dammi falastini 🇵🇸

There was nothing heroic about murdering over 250 young people at a music festival, or raping and murdering a young woman and parading her body on the back of a pickup truck.
Barbaric is the nearest word I can think of.

[marty34]

I'm sure Hamas don't care about PR but they've lost huge amounts of good will towards the Palestinian people. The planners will be sitting hunkered down in tunnels and bunkers whilst innocent men, women and children are bombed to bits by the Israelis. Disastrous.

Has this not been happening this past 10 years anyway?

[Armagh18]

Look how many Palestinians are killed yearly vs how many Israelis. No point crying about whats happened the last few days if you've been turning a blind eye for years.

[Tony Baloney]

I'm sure Hamas don't care about PR but they've lost huge amounts of good will towards the Palestinian people. The planners will be sitting hunkered down in tunnels and bunkers whilst innocent men, women and children are bombed to bits by the Israelis. Disastrous.

Has this not been happening this past 10 years anyway?

Yes but this will be on another level. If they had launched the missile attack it would have been considered quite a coup for Hamas. Indiscriminate murder of innocent civilians, kidnap and rape and parading their twisted bodies typically doesn't garner much sympathy.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

I'm sure Hamas don't care about PR but they've lost huge amounts of good will towards the Palestinian people. The planners will be sitting hunkered down in tunnels and bunkers whilst innocent men, women and children are bombed to bits by the Israelis. Disastrous.

Has this not been happening this past 10 years anyway?

Yes but this will be on another level. If they had launched the missile attack it would have been considered quite a coup for Hamas. Indiscriminate murder of innocent civilians, kidnap and rape and parading their twisted bodies typically doesn't garner much sympathy.

kidnap? Israel does it daily, rape (is the evidence the shott clip on twitter) Israel does, parading bodies, Israel attacked the funeral of a journalist is it murdered and it continues it barbaric actions.. Israeli actions over 75 years had led to this weekend, it has not occurred in isolation, it is not context, it is the reaction to 75 years of oppression, occupation and murder of Palestinians.

[Sportacus]

I'm sure Hamas don't care about PR but they've lost huge amounts of good will towards the Palestinian people. The planners will be sitting hunkered down in tunnels and bunkers whilst innocent men, women and children are bombed to bits by the Israelis. Disastrous.

Has this not been happening this past 10 years anyway?

Yes but this will be on another level. If they had launched the missile attack it would have been considered quite a coup for Hamas. Indiscriminate murder of innocent civilians, kidnap and rape and parading their twisted bodies typically doesn't garner much sympathy.

kidnap? Israel does it daily, rape (is the evidence the shott clip on twitter) Israel does, parading bodies, Israel attacked the funeral of a journalist is it murdered and it continues it barbaric actions.. Israeli actions over 75 years had led to this weekend, it has not occurred in isolation, it is not context, it is the reaction to 75 years of oppression, occupation and murder of Palestinians.

We all know all that and it's horrific. I'm trying to see your point but it just seems to be - they did it so they had it coming. If you're being equivocal about the murder of civilians then no point in debating it.

[armaghniac]

I'm sure Hamas don't care about PR but they've lost huge amounts of good will towards the Palestinian people. The planners will be sitting hunkered down in tunnels and bunkers whilst innocent men, women and children are bombed to bits by the Israelis. Disastrous.

Has this not been happening this past 10 years anyway?

Yes but this will be on another level. If they had launched the missile attack it would have been considered quite a coup for Hamas. Indiscriminate murder of innocent civilians, kidnap and rape and parading their twisted bodies typically doesn't garner much sympathy.

Likewise they could have attacked the military bases, captured a couple of tanks and a few officers and got a lot of publicity favourable to the Palestinian cause, but indiscriminate murder of innocent civilians is just an blatant attempt to make things worse.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

I'm sure Hamas don't care about PR but they've lost huge amounts of good will towards the Palestinian people. The planners will be sitting hunkered down in tunnels and bunkers whilst innocent men, women and children are bombed to bits by the Israelis. Disastrous.

Has this not been happening this past 10 years anyway?

Yes but this will be on another level. If they had launched the missile attack it would have been considered quite a coup for Hamas. Indiscriminate murder of innocent civilians, kidnap and rape and parading their twisted bodies typically doesn't garner much sympathy.

kidnap? Israel does it daily, rape (is the evidence the shott clip on twitter) Israel does, parading bodies, Israel attacked the funeral of a journalist is it murdered and it continues it barbaric actions.. Israeli actions over 75 years had led to this weekend, it has not occurred in isolation, it is not context, it is the reaction to 75 years of oppression, occupation and murder of Palestinians.

We all know all that and it's horrific. I'm trying to see your point but it just seems to be - they did it so they had it coming. If you're being equivocal about the murder of civilians then no point in debating it.

That's not my point at all. My point is that Israel has created the environment in which this weekend events have unfolded. that's simplistic but i don't feel like repeating myself again.

While I am not making a direct comparison here, dresden bombing in ww2 etc. and every conflict/war is ugly (again simplistic) there are horrible inhumane actions where innocent lives are lost. Israel prevents peace, it has kidnapped 2 million Palestines etc. its 'mows the lawn', it is responsible.

[bennydorano]

Iranians aren't Arabs, they're culturally different. Like the Saudis they're shit stirrers, Israel has so much western support in part to keep these pair in check in the region.

[gallsman]

Was Kingsmill heroic? Mountbatten?

Moronic stuff."What's good for the goose is good for the gander". What f**king age are you, you absolute child. Once you adopt that attitude, any sense of a moral high ground is immediately conceded.

Red Hand, just so you know, that's a "rhetorical" question, doesn't need an answer. Just to be clear in case you confuse a narrative technique for pretentiousness again.

Kingsmill was awful, but again if you've any understanding of what was happening you'll know why it happened and why it had to be done. Doubt you'll find too many pitying the pedo Mountbatten...

Kingsmill most certainly did not "have to be done" ffs. Catch yourself on.

What about the boat boy?

[Eire90]

mountbatten was part of aristocratic establishment so you could say he was a legitimate target.

[Wildweasel74]

That previous comment on Kingsmill a f**king disgrace,

[seafoid]

Iranians aren't Arabs, they're culturally different. Like the Saudis they're shit stirrers, Israel has so much western support in part to keep these pair in check in the region.

Israel lobbied heavily for the war in Iraq
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_PDpwL8kuY&t=328s

The winner of the war was Iran.

History is a record of "effects" the vast majority of which nobody intended to produce."
― Joseph Alois Schumpeter

[PadraicHenryPearse]

https://twitter.com/davidrkadler/status/1711103806002377167?t=gf6fn4JPi5hSKwZ8WRnpRQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1710623936851984689?t=N82YMg4KGfDbbpLKwRDAXw&s=19


https://twitter.com/OnlinePalEng/status/1710953936486568404?t=880BTnn7s_Abd7Newz9K7Q&s=19

https://twitter.com/Razaazaidi/status/1711222498006536439?t=UzmaHQSV8_rEKZQF3WPyUQ&s=19

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