Poll
Question:
Should the gaa allow the Liam Millar testimonial to be played in PUC
Option 1: Yes
votes: 126
Option 2: No
votes: 37
Option 3: Not sure
votes: 16
Thought a poll might be a good idea considering the press this is getting.
Almost a 4 to 1 ratio at this point in favour of allowing the game, which is what I had expected.
It shouldn't have even been a discussion. Dinosaurs as Damien Duff called them
The Gaa weren't so old time about signing a deal with SKY
Liam Miller [rip] was a top paid professional sportsman and played his football for some of the richest clubs in the world as well as a sport that is a multi billion euro business. Maybe his sport should look after their own and not put his family through the embarrassment of a charity match played in a stadium owned by an amateur organisation.
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 24, 2018, 09:46:43 PM
Liam Miller [rip] was a top paid professional sportsman and played his football for some of the richest clubs in the world as well as a sport that is a multi billion euro business. Maybe his sport should look after their own and not put his family through the embarrassment of a charity match played in a stadium owned by an amateur organisation.
Shameful post.
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 24, 2018, 09:46:43 PM
Liam Miller [rip] was a top paid professional sportsman and played his football for some of the richest clubs in the world as well as a sport that is a multi billion euro business. Maybe his sport should look after their own and not put his family through the embarrassment of a charity match played in a stadium owned by an amateur organisation.
His sport are trying to raise funds for a hospice. Our sport wont help out.
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.
It's only very clear if it's the note you want to hear.
Regardless, the point still stands. If Cork County Board can produce a pamphlet that roughly says, PuC costs X annually to run without events, and each event costs between Y and Z in terms of insurance, maintenance, staffing, etc., so therefore we need N to cover the event at cost price, and P to make it worth our while, then I'd be very surprised.
But if they could, it changes the dimension of it all, as only events that can generate 20k+ attendances would consider approaching them.
I think comments like Duffs probably don't paint an accurate picture of how things work. In some people's mind they probably thinks a load of dusty old men in suits clutching the proclamation shouting never etc. When it's probably a bit more mundane and bureaucratic. It is an association of volunteers after all so chances are there's probably a lack of clear leadership when it comes to making decisions to things that are a bit outside the box and away from Croke Park. In an organization like the GAA it probably takes a fair bit of time to get people round a table and properly sort things out, as we all should know by now. Look at the mess of Newbridge, Garth Brooks and club fixtures. There's a lot that has to come together and as an amateur organisation it isn't always up to scratch but at the same time I don't feel we're missing out by not having a John Delaney type figure running the place.
All that said I hope and I think the game will go ahead in Pairc Ui Caomh.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:11:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.
It's only very clear if it's the note you want to hear.
Regardless, the point still stands. If Cork County Board can produce a pamphlet that roughly says, PuC costs X annually to run without events, and each event costs between Y and Z in terms of insurance, maintenance, staffing, etc., so therefore we need N to cover the event at cost price, and P to make it worth our while, then I'd be very surprised.
But if they could, it changes the dimension of it all, as only events that can generate 20k+ attendances would consider approaching them.
Its a note you really hope the GAA heard.
I hope you mean that in the general and not about the fundraiser in question.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.
30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:17:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:11:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.
It's only very clear if it's the note you want to hear.
Regardless, the point still stands. If Cork County Board can produce a pamphlet that roughly says, PuC costs X annually to run without events, and each event costs between Y and Z in terms of insurance, maintenance, staffing, etc., so therefore we need N to cover the event at cost price, and P to make it worth our while, then I'd be very surprised.
But if they could, it changes the dimension of it all, as only events that can generate 20k+ attendances would consider approaching them.
Its a note you really hope the GAA heard.
I hope you mean that in the general and not about the fundraiser in question.
I mean it in general. We are a members organisation. It should be pretty transparent how much it costs to host an event, and therefore how much profit is made from one.
I wouldn't expect profit from Miller's testimonial. But I would expect costs to be covered.
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.
30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.
Who is putting the knife in?
30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Where do you actually get the balls to dress up predjuice in flimsy reasoning like this?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.
30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.
Who is putting the knife in?
30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.
Was the famous 30M not in relation to the Rugby World Cup that Dick Spring and the IRFU botched?
How's the multi sports usage of Tallaght Stadium going these days Paul? Or the Aviva for that matter?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.
30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.
Who is putting the knife in?
30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.
I haven't seen you post on anything else but this Liam Miller topic. The GAA do trojan work across Ireland and further a field. The Gob should be giving them 300m every year never mind 30m.
You're using this old tactic of they got money so now they must do x,y,z. The GAA should tell Gov what they won't do if they don't get the money. See the face on people then.
Get over it, they do unreal work and all you're doing is hammering them on this.
I know there are a few definitions of prejudice Syferus, but I'm not guilty of any of them here.
Try prudence instead.
Quote from: TheClubman on July 24, 2018, 10:34:01 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.
30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.
Who is putting the knife in?
30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.
Was the famous 30M not in relation to the Rugby World Cup that Dick Spring and the IRFU botched?
How's the multi sports usage of Tallaght Stadium going these days Paul? Or the Aviva for that matter?
These are seriously embarrassing posts. I really worry about where the heads of a very vocal minority of this board's posters are at on a plethora of issues where right-minded people are in complete agreement on.
Quote from: TheClubman on July 24, 2018, 10:34:01 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.
30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.
Who is putting the knife in?
30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.
Was the famous 30M not in relation to the Rugby World Cup that Dick Spring and the IRFU botched?
How's the multi sports usage of Tallaght Stadium going these days Paul? Or the Aviva for that matter?
Initially, then the EU got involved.
A quick look at the Tallaght Stadium website, soccer, rugby, rugby league, Gaelic football, hurling, American football, archery and community games. Not following you here.
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.
30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.
Who is putting the knife in?
30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.
I haven't seen you post on anything else but this Liam Miller topic. The GAA do trojan work across Ireland and further a field. The Gob should be giving them 300m every year never mind 30m.
You're using this old tactic of they got money so now they must do x,y,z. The GAA should tell Gov what they won't do if they don't get the money. See the face on people then.
Get over it, they do unreal work and all you're doing is hammering them on this.
Im hammering a stone age attitude that is harming the GAA. The world has changed, rule 42 has had its day and funding conditions have changed.
But there is a viciousness here that other sports also dont do good and dont deserve funding. Other sports have a gripe with how much the GAA get, for right or wrong. Imagine what boxing or athletics could do with 30m...
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.
30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.
Who is putting the knife in?
30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.
I haven't seen you post on anything else but this Liam Miller topic. The GAA do trojan work across Ireland and further a field. The Gob should be giving them 300m every year never mind 30m.
You're using this old tactic of they got money so now they must do x,y,z. The GAA should tell Gov what they won't do if they don't get the money. See the face on people then.
Get over it, they do unreal work and all you're doing is hammering them on this.
Im hammering a stone age attitude that is harming the GAA. The world has changed, rule 42 has had its day and funding conditions have changed.
But there is a viciousness here that other sports also dont do good and dont deserve funding. Other sports have a gripe with how much the GAA get, for right or wrong. Imagine what boxing or athletics could do with 30m...
Boxing? Sure isn't it run by drug gangs now? They've enough money Paul. Write an article on that.
The GAA changes lives everyday. They make great use of the funding they receive and raise as well. Change takes time. The GAA will get there.
I'm not disagreeing entirely with you Baile Brogin, as there are some genuinely Neanderthal hypocrites attached to the GAA.
But give €30m to boxing or athletics and you're basically giving about a €5,000 grant per half serious competitior in each sport.
It's more like €2 per competitor in GAA. And that before you begin gauging public interest.
Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2018, 10:39:03 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 24, 2018, 10:34:01 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.
30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.
Who is putting the knife in?
30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.
Was the famous 30M not in relation to the Rugby World Cup that Dick Spring and the IRFU botched?
How's the multi sports usage of Tallaght Stadium going these days Paul? Or the Aviva for that matter?
These are seriously embarrassing posts. I really worry about where the heads of a very vocal minority of this board's posters are at on a plethora of issues where right-minded people are in complete agreement on.
Oh boy syferus, it's hard to resist but I will just this time..😂😂😂😂😂😂
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:54:32 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.
30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.
Who is putting the knife in?
30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.
I haven't seen you post on anything else but this Liam Miller topic. The GAA do trojan work across Ireland and further a field. The Gob should be giving them 300m every year never mind 30m.
You're using this old tactic of they got money so now they must do x,y,z. The GAA should tell Gov what they won't do if they don't get the money. See the face on people then.
Get over it, they do unreal work and all you're doing is hammering them on this.
Im hammering a stone age attitude that is harming the GAA. The world has changed, rule 42 has had its day and funding conditions have changed.
But there is a viciousness here that other sports also dont do good and dont deserve funding. Other sports have a gripe with how much the GAA get, for right or wrong. Imagine what boxing or athletics could do with 30m...
Boxing? Sure isn't it run by drug gangs now? They've enough money Paul. Write an article on that.
The GAA changes lives everyday. They make great use of the funding they receive and raise as well. Change takes time. The GAA will get there.
All sport changes lives everyday. I really thought we moved on from this attitude a couple of generations ago.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:55:02 PM
I'm not disagreeing entirely with you Baile Brogin, as there are some genuinely Neanderthal hypocrites attached to the GAA.
But give €30m to boxing or athletics and you're basically giving about a €5,000 grant per half serious competitior in each sport.
It's more like €2 per competitor in GAA. And that before you begin gauging public interest.
Soccer could take that line and raise you...
This is the main problem i have with the hierarchy. Say yes and they are the good guys. Say no and there is a national debate about state funding and rule 42. And its not going well.
I'd nationalise all stadiums over 20K capacity and have them managed by local councils. Absolutely crazy that we are even in this situation.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:55:02 PM
I'm not disagreeing entirely with you Baile Brogin, as there are some genuinely Neanderthal hypocrites attached to the GAA.
But give €30m to boxing or athletics and you're basically giving about a €5,000 grant per half serious competitior in each sport.
It's more like €2 per competitor in GAA. And that before you begin gauging public interest.
Soccer could take that line and raise you...
This is the main problem i have with the hierarchy. Say yes and they are the good guys. Say no and there is a national debate about state funding and rule 42. And its not going well.
But soccer can't raise, not even close. The combined league of Ireland attendance for a fortnight would fit in a Croke Park.
It's public interest that allows the GAA to build 30k stadia. It's through an ethos of investing money and time into community-focused sport that generates such a public interest.
I'm a huge soccer fan. But it's a problem child compared to the GAA. There's no guarantee that 30m would be spent perfectly in the GAA, only that it would be spent immeasurably better than in any other sport. The history is there to prove this.
Quote from: stephenite on July 24, 2018, 11:18:52 PM
I'd nationalise all stadiums over 20K capacity and have them managed by local councils. Absolutely crazy that we are even in this situation.
Communism doesn't work. The lazy get lazier, the hardworking try to leave, and only the politicians gain. Go read Animal farm.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 11:20:21 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:55:02 PM
I'm not disagreeing entirely with you Baile Brogin, as there are some genuinely Neanderthal hypocrites attached to the GAA.
But give €30m to boxing or athletics and you're basically giving about a €5,000 grant per half serious competitior in each sport.
It's more like €2 per competitor in GAA. And that before you begin gauging public interest.
Soccer could take that line and raise you...
This is the main problem i have with the hierarchy. Say yes and they are the good guys. Say no and there is a national debate about state funding and rule 42. And its not going well.
But soccer can't raise, not even close. The combined league of Ireland attendance for a fortnight would fit in a Croke Park.
It's public interest that allows the GAA to build 30k stadia. It's through an ethos of investing money and time into community-focused sport that generates such a public interest.
I'm a huge soccer fan. But it's a problem child compared to the GAA. There's no guarantee that 30m would be spent perfectly in the GAA, only that it would be spent immeasurably better than in any other sport. The history is there to prove this.
Im not arguing that the GAA works well in the main. But there is a legitimate argument that if soccer (or rugby) got the state funding Gaelic games got they would have the same facilities. Its a chicken and egg argument - do good facilities increase crowds or crowds lead to good facilties.
And its absurd to suggest other sports arent community focused.
But we are where we are. Turners cross is a tidy stadium that works for who plays there. I cant see a business plan for the FAI or cork soccer to build a 30/40,000 seater venue, and seeing as some are still raising Tallaght, huge objections to state funding for it.
If they had said yes, Joe Duffy and the broadsheets woulfnt be putting pressure on politicians re rule 42. Massive strategic gobshytery
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.
Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.
The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.
For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
But they have already have had concerts here? Salthill too? There's a concert in Thurles soon.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 11:20:21 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:55:02 PM
I'm not disagreeing entirely with you Baile Brogin, as there are some genuinely Neanderthal hypocrites attached to the GAA.
But give €30m to boxing or athletics and you're basically giving about a €5,000 grant per half serious competitior in each sport.
It's more like €2 per competitor in GAA. And that before you begin gauging public interest.
Soccer could take that line and raise you...
This is the main problem i have with the hierarchy. Say yes and they are the good guys. Say no and there is a national debate about state funding and rule 42. And its not going well.
But soccer can't raise, not even close. The combined league of Ireland attendance for a fortnight would fit in a Croke Park.
It's public interest that allows the GAA to build 30k stadia. It's through an ethos of investing money and time into community-focused sport that generates such a public interest.
I'm a huge soccer fan. But it's a problem child compared to the GAA. There's no guarantee that 30m would be spent perfectly in the GAA, only that it would be spent immeasurably better than in any other sport. The history is there to prove this.
It's through the help of public funds they built this one and most others that have been renovated in the modern era. You haven't a leg to stand on here whether you realise it or not. You don't get to have your hand out and then pull it back when that same public want you to adhere to what you agreed to do. There is literally no argument of any substance that you are making.
Once again I will say it, money should not be raised on the back of ordinary supporters, Liam Millers sport is a multi billion euro business, he has played for 2 of the richest soccer clubs in the world, surely it is his sports responsibility to fund whatever needs funding, a mere drop in the ocean to them.
The gaa have put proper facilities in every county in Ireland, the best a multi billion euro business can do is a 7000 thousand seater cabbage patch in our second city, and the public expect the gaa to fill the breech when Turners cross is not adequate.
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 25, 2018, 01:11:17 AM
Once again I will say it, money should not be raised on the back of ordinary supporters, Liam Millers sport is a multi billion euro business, he has played for 2 of the richest soccer clubs in the world, surely it is his sports responsibility to fund whatever needs funding, a mere drop in the ocean to them.
The gaa have put proper facilities in every county in Ireland, the best a multi billion euro business can do is a 7000 thousand seater cabbage patch in our second city, and the public expect the gaa to fill the breech when Turners cross is not adequate.
The FAI is a multi billion euro business???? The GAA has more revenue. My taxes paid for PUC and my money funds the GAA
Well said Ballagh.
My taxes paid 100 % for a free stadium for Shamrock Rovers.
No GAA games there though!
And nobody "outraged"
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 01:22:43 AM
Well said Ballagh.
My taxes paid 100 % for a free stadium for Shamrock Rovers.
No GAA games there though!
And nobody "outraged"
There are GAA games there...
Its a municipal stadium used by all sorts of groups. No Rule 42 in place. Their website even has a booking enquiery tab.
Thats not a sensible or valid comparison.
Tell me about the GAA games in Tallaght Stadium.
Tell me Shamrocks haven't got a sweetheart deal.
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 25, 2018, 01:11:17 AM
Once again I will say it, money should not be raised on the back of ordinary supporters, Liam Millers sport is a multi billion euro business, he has played for 2 of the richest soccer clubs in the world, surely it is his sports responsibility to fund whatever needs funding, a mere drop in the ocean to them.
The gaa have put proper facilities in every county in Ireland, the best a multi billion euro business can do is a 7000 thousand seater cabbage patch in our second city, and the public expect the gaa to fill the breech when Turners cross is not adequate.
Antrim? Where the GAA recently got the IRFU to 'fill the breech (sic)'to raise money for Anto Finnegan?
If Turners Cross is a 'cabbage patch', what is Casement, in our actual second city?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 01:38:12 AM
Tell me about the GAA games in Tallaght Stadium.
Tell me Shamrocks haven't got a sweetheart deal.
Cuman na mbun Scoil regularly played there.
Google is your friend.
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/finals-day-success-in-dublin-feile-na-ngael
Of course rovers got a good deal, undeservedly, but its unquestionably worked for the area and makes a profit. But the facility is in constant use from corporate gigs to car boot sales and loads of sports. I think the Gaels need to back off that one, history hasnt been kind to Thomas Davis on that one.
I think we all know what would happen if a local gaa club approached the council to use the place for a fundraiser.
Casement has been demolished and redevelopment has been held up on planning issues and lack of an Executive.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 01:44:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 01:38:12 AM
Tell me about the GAA games in Tallaght Stadium.
Tell me Shamrocks haven't got a sweetheart deal.
Cuman na mbun Scoil regularly played there.
Google is your friend.
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/finals-day-success-in-dublin-feile-na-ngael
Of course rovers got a good deal, undeservedly, but its unquestionably worked for the area and makes a profit. But the facility is in constant use from corporate gigs to car boot sales and loads of sports. I think the Gaels need to back off that one, history hasnt been kind to Thomas Davis on that one.
I think we all know what would happen if a local gaa club approached the council to use the place for a fundraiser.
Rossfan has been embarrassed, again.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 11:22:54 PM
Quote from: stephenite on July 24, 2018, 11:18:52 PM
I'd nationalise all stadiums over 20K capacity and have them managed by local councils. Absolutely crazy that we are even in this situation.
Communism doesn't work. The lazy get lazier, the hardworking try to leave, and only the politicians gain. Go read Animal farm.
Tongue half in cheek, however the point I am trying to make is as follows;
I currently live in Australia, and i am sitting at my desk overlooking Etihad Stadium in Melbourne, this stadium (along with 2 others in the city) manage to host;
- International Rugby Union games
- International Soccer games
- Weekly Club rugby games (seasonal)
- Weekly A league soccer games (seasonal)
- Weekly AFL games(seasonal)
- Cricket test matches (1 stadium)
- Weekly cricket T20 games (seasonal)
In addition to above Sydney also hosts Rugby league games and Internationals as does Brisbane.
Now not all of these are publicly owned but in essence the model is that they are publicly owned and run by 'Trusts' who manage the upkeep and revenue generation.
It appears to work.
I refuse to accept any argument that we should not allow this Charity event to proceed.
I also think it should open a wider discussion on Stadia use and ownership in Ireland - it's a ludicrous situation that enables stupid decisions like Newbridge occurring.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 01:47:16 AM
Casement has been demolished and redevelopment has been held up on planning issues and lack of an Executive.
This we know. But the snide comments directed at soccer for having a facility and looking at a once off bigger gate werent directed internally when the IRFU were asked for a lend when there isnt even a facility there. Its blatant hypocricy.
Quote from: Syferus on July 25, 2018, 01:48:45 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 01:44:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 01:38:12 AM
Tell me about the GAA games in Tallaght Stadium.
Tell me Shamrocks haven't got a sweetheart deal.
Cuman na mbun Scoil regularly played there.
Google is your friend.
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/finals-day-success-in-dublin-feile-na-ngael
Of course rovers got a good deal, undeservedly, but its unquestionably worked for the area and makes a profit. But the facility is in constant use from corporate gigs to car boot sales and loads of sports. I think the Gaels need to back off that one, history hasnt been kind to Thomas Davis on that one.
I think we all know what would happen if a local gaa club approached the council to use the place for a fundraiser.
Rossfan has been embarrassed, again.
Anyone with a cursory understanding of Dublin Gaelic games would know that its a stadium available to the GAA. Has he been stewing in his juices over that for years based on fundamental ignorance?
That bitter a row and they can all play nice now. There is a lesson there, not 100% sure what, but there is one.
How do Soccer people look at the stadium issue across the country. Are they embarrassed that they haven't got one decent stadium in Munster?
The GAA should open it up. And I am confident that they will get there eventually. Some people should let it go and stop using it as a stick to beat them with.
Quote from: trailer on July 25, 2018, 07:37:15 AM
How do Soccer people look at the stadium issue across the country. Are they embarrassed that they haven't got one decent stadium in Munster?
The GAA should open it up. And I am confident that they will get there eventually. Some people should let it go and stop using it as a stick to beat them with.
I have no interest in FAI and I've watched or been to an LOI game in my life but I would imagine that the soccer fraternity are not the least bit worried or embarrassed by stadia provision in Munster. Clearly they wouldn't build a stadium for a one of game and I assume they already have the stadia to meet their everyday need (possibly not).
Direct comparison is not easy. After all what would GAA stadia provision be if there a mass participation game played in front of no fans, a highly paid professional game with all the Irish lads playing in it across the water along with stars from the global game and a local game hosting games at the same time?
Quote from: trailer on July 25, 2018, 07:37:15 AM
How do Soccer people look at the stadium issue across the country. Are they embarrassed that they haven't got one decent stadium in Munster?
The GAA should open it up. And I am confident that they will get there eventually. Some people should let it go and stop using it as a stick to beat them with.
The FAI have Aviva and it's all they need.
7,000 is perfect size for Cork as you get full stadiums and a cracking atmosphere for home games. What's the point of building a 25,000 or 30,000 seater stadium that will only be full once every couple of years if they are lucky. GAA got totally carried away in the celtic tiger years (not only ones in fairness) building all these big stadiums that are only used a couple of times a year and never full to capacity. At this stage everyone knows how soulless and devoid of atmosphere it is watching games in Croke Park with crowds of 20,000/25,000 people. How many games did the Gaelic Grounds get this summer and when was the last time it was full to capacity for example. Cork co. board even pulled a few strings to force wexford v clare to play in PuC in the qtr final and that ground wont be used again by Cork teams until next March!!
Every unit of the GAA should be allowed rent out their facilities to others (or offer use with no charge if they feel it appropriate) as and when they like.
27 years after the RDS fiasco and 20 years after the Omagh charity game fiasco, it's amazing that such an ostrich attitude still exists.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 01:44:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 01:38:12 AM
Tell me about the GAA games in Tallaght Stadium.
Tell me Shamrocks haven't got a sweetheart deal.
Cuman na mbun Scoil regularly played there.
Google is your friend.
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/finals-day-success-in-dublin-feile-na-ngael
Of course rovers got a good deal, undeservedly, but its unquestionably worked for the area and makes a profit. But the facility is in constant use from corporate gigs to car boot sales and loads of sports. I think the Gaels need to back off that one, history hasnt been kind to Thomas Davis on that one.
I think we all know what would happen if a local gaa club approached the council to use the place for a fundraiser.
Is this the municipal facility that is too small for a 15 a side football or hurling game to be played on? Is that inclusive or exclusive I wonder.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 01:39:45 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 25, 2018, 01:11:17 AM
Once again I will say it, money should not be raised on the back of ordinary supporters, Liam Millers sport is a multi billion euro business, he has played for 2 of the richest soccer clubs in the world, surely it is his sports responsibility to fund whatever needs funding, a mere drop in the ocean to them.
The gaa have put proper facilities in every county in Ireland, the best a multi billion euro business can do is a 7000 thousand seater cabbage patch in our second city, and the public expect the gaa to fill the breech when Turners cross is not adequate.
Antrim? Where the GAA recently got the IRFU to 'fill the breech (sic) 'to raise money for Anto Finnegan?
If Turners Cross is a 'cabbage patch', what is Casement, in our actual second city?
No they didn't.
Sorry one thing I am not sure on. Is this to raise money for Liam Miller's family? Or is this game for charity? Can someone clear that up?
I am not being awkward, I genuinely want to know and can't find any information. Some papers are calling it a testimonial, is that right or wrong?
I realise it isn't relevant to this specific issue, but outside of the Aviva, is soccer ever played in any of the 'rugby' grounds, i.e. RDS, Donnybrook, Sportsgrounds etc.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 09:51:51 AM
I realise it isn't relevant to this specific issue, but outside of the Aviva, is soccer ever played in any of the 'rugby' grounds, i.e. RDS, Donnybrook, Sportsgrounds etc.
The IRFU doesn't own the RDS. Shamrock Rovers famously played there for six years in the post-Milltown period and the venue has hosted numerous Ireland internationals and FAI Cup finals.
Limerick FC played a couple of seasons in Thomond Park and Ireland played a friendly there in 2009.
Cork City played Bayern Munich at Musgrave Park in 1991.
Galway United played a Cup Winners' Cup tie at the Sportsground in 1985. The Sportsground was also formerly a major venue for GAA in Galway.
I don't think Melbourne or Sydney are relevant to the GAA. Sport in Ireland has been politicised for over 100 years and relations between the GAA and soccer/rugby have always had a bit of needle even after Croke Park was open to soccer and rugby. You can see it now on twitter.
Irish soccer has always had a parasitical side. Feeding off England. Never developing its infrastructure. Also very short sighted. Selling Glenmalure park.
And extremely complacent.
It's always soccer asking.
The 3 organisations are like siblings.The GAA is the oldest and has always paid his way. The IRFU married a foreigner and has concussion . The FAI is the youngest, was always spoilt, and never paid for anything. She thinks the GAA should provide for her.
I like it ,Seafoid!
Haha that's brilliant seafoid, I'm using that if you don't mind.
Quote from: spuds on July 25, 2018, 09:43:07 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 01:44:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 01:38:12 AM
Tell me about the GAA games in Tallaght Stadium.
Tell me Shamrocks haven't got a sweetheart deal.
Cuman na mbun Scoil regularly played there.
Google is your friend.
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/finals-day-success-in-dublin-feile-na-ngael
Of course rovers got a good deal, undeservedly, but its unquestionably worked for the area and makes a profit. But the facility is in constant use from corporate gigs to car boot sales and loads of sports. I think the Gaels need to back off that one, history hasnt been kind to Thomas Davis on that one.
I think we all know what would happen if a local gaa club approached the council to use the place for a fundraiser.
Is this the municipal facility that is too small for a 15 a side football or hurling game to be played on? Is that inclusive or exclusive I wonder.
Yes and No
No danger of Dublin hurlers being able to play a League match there.
PS Brilliant Seafóidín ;D
It won't make any difference to the outcome but I think we could have done without Damien Duff's comments yesterday.
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2018, 10:40:04 AM
I don't think Melbourne or Sydney are relevant to the GAA. Sport in Ireland has been politicised for over 100 years and relations between the GAA and soccer/rugby have always had a bit of needle even after Croke Park was open to soccer and rugby. You can see it now on twitter.
Irish soccer has always had a parasitical side. Feeding off England. Never developing its infrastructure. Also very short sighted. Selling Glenmalure park.
And extremely complacent.
It's always soccer asking.
The 3 organisations are like siblings.The GAA is the oldest and has always paid his way. The IRFU married a foreigner and has concussion . The FAI is the youngest, was always spoilt, and never paid for anything. She thinks the GAA should provide for her.
It's a lot easier to "pay your way" when you've never had to pay your players.
Association football in 26 county Ireland has never developed a strong domestic game because i) it had and has English football on its doorstep and ii) the whole official culture of the Irish Free State was against it, including the GAA's ban. Before 1922, the game was controlled from Belfast.
The League of Ireland is like a corner shop trying to survive with a Tesco superstore 50 yards down the road from it.
If anything, English football has acted as a parasite on Irish football, taking all its best players and the vast majority of Irish public interest in the game.
Quote from: trailer on July 25, 2018, 09:51:16 AM
Sorry one thing I am not sure on. Is this to raise money for Liam Miller's family? Or is this game for charity? Can someone clear that up?
I am not being awkward, I genuinely want to know and can't find any information. Some papers are calling it a testimonial, is that right or wrong?
Both. The hospice and the family
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 11:04:25 AM
It won't make any difference to the outcome but I think we could have done without Damien Duff's comments yesterday.
I think it needed to be said!
This is not 1916! Time for the GAA to grow up!
What are they protecting anymore?
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2018, 10:40:04 AM
I don't think Melbourne or Sydney are relevant to the GAA. Sport in Ireland has been politicised for over 100 years and relations between the GAA and soccer/rugby have always had a bit of needle even after Croke Park was open to soccer and rugby. You can see it now on twitter.
Irish soccer has always had a parasitical side. Feeding off England. Never developing its infrastructure. Also very short sighted. Selling Glenmalure park.
And extremely complacent.
It's always soccer asking.
The 3 organisations are like siblings.The GAA is the oldest and has always paid his way. The IRFU married a foreigner and has concussion . The FAI is the youngest, was always spoilt, and never paid for anything. She thinks the GAA should provide for her.
It's a lot easier to "pay your way" when you've never had to pay your players.
Association football in 26 county Ireland has never developed a strong domestic game because i) it had and has English football on its doorstep and ii) the whole official culture of the Irish Free State was against it, including the GAA's ban. Before 1922, the game was controlled from Belfast.
The League of Ireland is like a corner shop trying to survive with a Tesco superstore 50 yards down the road from it.
If anything, English football has acted as a parasite on Irish football, taking all its best players and the vast majority of Irish public interest in the game.
A lot of your points relate to structural issues within soccer. Most small countries say population less than 15m struggle with their domestic leagues because the best players are hoovered up to play with Bayern, Juve, Real or whoever. Soccer is a money game and money controls what happens. Even the Dutch League has problems. Reginal teams do not have the money to buy the players that might make make their games interesting. The top 10 European clubs spent an average of Euro 250m on transfers last season. the top Swiss team spent EUR 7m . The 5th wealthiest Swiss team spent EUR 1m. And Swiss soccer is relatively well managed.
A lot of soccer players are overpaid as well.
Maybe it would be better to put the money into infrastructure.
The corner shop could be expanded and start offering organic products that Tesco don't sell.
Management in the FAI has been substandard for a number of decades.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 11:04:25 AM
It won't make any difference to the outcome but I think we could have done without Damien Duff's comments yesterday.
Especially since he hasn't a clue what he's talking about.
Quote from: spuds on July 25, 2018, 09:43:07 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 01:44:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 01:38:12 AM
Tell me about the GAA games in Tallaght Stadium.
Tell me Shamrocks haven't got a sweetheart deal.
Cuman na mbun Scoil regularly played there.
Google is your friend.
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/finals-day-success-in-dublin-feile-na-ngael
Of course rovers got a good deal, undeservedly, but its unquestionably worked for the area and makes a profit. But the facility is in constant use from corporate gigs to car boot sales and loads of sports. I think the Gaels need to back off that one, history hasnt been kind to Thomas Davis on that one.
I think we all know what would happen if a local gaa club approached the council to use the place for a fundraiser.
Is this the municipal facility that is too small for a 15 a side football or hurling game to be played on? Is that inclusive or exclusive I wonder.
Thats smaller things can fit in bigger things and not vice versa.
The pount remains, the GAA have zero problem using other codes grounds while retaining rule 42. That in itself is an issue
The organisers feel that they can get a good attendance. Politics aside, there's a stadium nearby that can cater for what they hope to achieve. It's actually embarrassing beyond the initial question being asked that we have to have a discussion
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 11:35:06 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 25, 2018, 09:51:16 AM
Sorry one thing I am not sure on. Is this to raise money for Liam Miller's family? Or is this game for charity? Can someone clear that up?
I am not being awkward, I genuinely want to know and can't find any information. Some papers are calling it a testimonial, is that right or wrong?
Both. The hospice and the family
Why does his family need money. Was he not on £25k a week at Utd?
No issue with raising money for charity.
Quote from: trailer on July 25, 2018, 11:55:05 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 11:35:06 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 25, 2018, 09:51:16 AM
Sorry one thing I am not sure on. Is this to raise money for Liam Miller's family? Or is this game for charity? Can someone clear that up?
I am not being awkward, I genuinely want to know and can't find any information. Some papers are calling it a testimonial, is that right or wrong?
Both. The hospice and the family
Why does his family need money. Was he not on £25k a week at Utd?
No issue with raising money for charity.
Nobody seems willing to address this question
Quote from: AQMP on July 25, 2018, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 11:04:25 AM
It won't make any difference to the outcome but I think we could have done without Damien Duff's comments yesterday.
Especially since he hasn't a clue what he's talking about.
It's funny how criticising the GAA seems to be the favourite hobby of GAA people at the moment. That certainly seems to be the attitude of a lot of people here. Some of that criticism is absolutely valid, some of it is nothing more a self-pitying excuse for a whinge.
But as soon as an outsider makes a valid criticism, there's a closing of ranks.
The problem some people have with Duff is that he's not a GAA man, and non-GAA people apparently shouldn't be allowed state the bleedin' obvious.
They know the message is correct, but it has touched a raw nerve because of who said it, and for a lot of people, "blood" is thicker than water.
It's a default defensive reaction when somebody knows they're in the wrong.
Probably because it's offensive and irrelevant. What purpose would it serve to know what his personal worth was? Should we also ask how much his treatment cost too so we know exactly how much there was left? Cop on. Don't go if you have a moral objection. Simple as
Quote from: trailer on July 25, 2018, 11:55:05 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 11:35:06 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 25, 2018, 09:51:16 AM
Sorry one thing I am not sure on. Is this to raise money for Liam Miller's family? Or is this game for charity? Can someone clear that up?
I am not being awkward, I genuinely want to know and can't find any information. Some papers are calling it a testimonial, is that right or wrong?
Both. The hospice and the family
Why does his family need money. Was he not on £25k a week at Utd?
No issue with raising money for charity.
But you do have an issue with raising funds for the family... Who knows the families situation, but is that really a valid question? They may have spent millions on treatment.
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 25, 2018, 12:04:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 25, 2018, 11:55:05 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 11:35:06 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 25, 2018, 09:51:16 AM
Sorry one thing I am not sure on. Is this to raise money for Liam Miller's family? Or is this game for charity? Can someone clear that up?
I am not being awkward, I genuinely want to know and can't find any information. Some papers are calling it a testimonial, is that right or wrong?
Both. The hospice and the family
Why does his family need money. Was he not on £25k a week at Utd?
No issue with raising money for charity.
Nobody seems willing to address this question
Word in Cork is that the family spent top dollar in every effort to find a cure for Liam. This does not come cheaply, medical expenses can escalate rapidly. Of course I cannot verify this but has to be mentioned.
What the money is being raised for is a valid question.
Everything the GAA is doing is being publicly scrutinised but when the reverse happens we should just say nothing.
I live in rural Ireland. There is an underlying disdain for Soccer (among a large contingent). It is seen as a British game. I hear it all the time in idle comments and actions. I know lads who would never think of exposing their Sons and Daughters to playing Competitive Soccer even though they play the game week in week out in the school yard. Soccer is blamed for the bad things that happen in a game of Gaelic football.
We get asked ''Why doesn't Irealnd have a proper soccer structure like say Norway, Croatia or Sweeden? ''
Could be to do with the RC Church in the early days of our Nations foundation.The RC Churches ruled the Parishes and Schools. (John Giles talks of being made feel not Irish for playing Soccer in a Christian Brothers School). (Norway, Croatia or Sweeden don't have this problem)
Could be to do with the game being seen as British and our trying to move away from all things British (Norway, Croatia or Sweeden don't have this problem).
Could it have to do with the Ban up to the early 70's. 95% of Soccer Clubs in Mayo were founded in the 70's and 80's. In regards GAA Clubs. I'd say 5% were founded in 70's and 80's. (Norway, Croatia or Sweeden don't have this problem)
95% of Soccer in Ireland is AMATEUR! Bar a few clubs (20) in the Cities and big towns. All the Clubs in Mayo are AMATEUR. It bugs me when a multi-million organisation like the GAA play the Amateur Beal Biocht card, as if money is not an object needed to run their organisation. Some of the best volunteers in sporting organisations are involved in Soccer.
The Mayo FA has to be one of the best ran districts in the country. It has it's faults. But it more often than not punches above its weight for the structures and product it tries to promote. Much of it's work goes unnoticed as there are not many ways to gain the exposure that the Intercounty team gets for it counter part.
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2018, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2018, 10:40:04 AM
I don't think Melbourne or Sydney are relevant to the GAA. Sport in Ireland has been politicised for over 100 years and relations between the GAA and soccer/rugby have always had a bit of needle even after Croke Park was open to soccer and rugby. You can see it now on twitter.
Irish soccer has always had a parasitical side. Feeding off England. Never developing its infrastructure. Also very short sighted. Selling Glenmalure park.
And extremely complacent.
It's always soccer asking.
The 3 organisations are like siblings.The GAA is the oldest and has always paid his way. The IRFU married a foreigner and has concussion . The FAI is the youngest, was always spoilt, and never paid for anything. She thinks the GAA should provide for her.
It's a lot easier to "pay your way" when you've never had to pay your players.
Association football in 26 county Ireland has never developed a strong domestic game because i) it had and has English football on its doorstep and ii) the whole official culture of the Irish Free State was against it, including the GAA's ban. Before 1922, the game was controlled from Belfast.
The League of Ireland is like a corner shop trying to survive with a Tesco superstore 50 yards down the road from it.
If anything, English football has acted as a parasite on Irish football, taking all its best players and the vast majority of Irish public interest in the game.
A lot of your points relate to structural issues within soccer. Most small countries say population less than 15m struggle with their domestic leagues because the best players are hoovered up to play with Bayern, Juve, Real or whoever. Soccer is a money game and money controls what happens. Even the Dutch League has problems. Reginal teams do not have the money to buy the players that might make make their games interesting. The top 10 European clubs spent an average of Euro 250m on transfers last season. the top Swiss team spent EUR 7m . The 5th wealthiest Swiss team spent EUR 1m. And Swiss soccer is relatively well managed.
A lot of soccer players are overpaid as well.
Maybe it would be better to put the money into infrastructure.
The corner shop could be expanded and start offering organic products that Tesco don't sell.
Management in the FAI has been substandard for a number of decades.
There aren't many association football players in Ireland who are overpaid. Some aren't even paid at all. Look at Bray Wanderers.
As I said, when you don't have to pay players, and have a lot bigger attendances, as is the case in the GAA, it's a lot easier to invest in infrastructure.
Even the modest improvements which have taken place in Irish association football in recent times in that regard, such as the new Lansdowne Road, Turner's Cross, Tallaght and Terryland Park, have been fraught with difficulty.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 25, 2018, 12:17:24 PM
I live in rural Ireland. There is an underlying disdain for Soccer (among a large contingent). It is seen as a British game. I hear it all the time in idle comments and actions. I know lads who would never think of exposing their Sons and Daughters to playing Competitive Soccer even though they play the game week in week out in the school yard. Soccer is blamed for the bad things that happen in a game of Gaelic football.
We get asked ''Why doesn't Irealnd have a proper soccer structure like say Norway, Croatia or Sweeden? ''
Could be to do with the RC Church in the early days of our Nations foundation.The RC Churches ruled the Parishes and Schools. (John Giles talks of being made feel not Irish for playing Soccer in a Christian Brothers School). (Norway, Croatia or Sweeden don't have this problem)
Could be to do with the game being seen as British and our trying to move away from all things British (Norway, Croatia or Sweeden don't have this problem).
Could it have to do with the Ban up to the early 70's. 95% of Soccer Clubs in Mayo were founded in the 70's and 80's. In regards GAA Clubs. I'd say 5% were founded in 70's and 80's. (Norway, Croatia or Sweeden don't have this problem)
95% of Soccer in Ireland is AMATEUR! Bar a few clubs (20) in the Cities and big towns. All the Clubs in Mayo are AMATEUR. It bugs me when a multi-million organisation like the GAA play the Amateur Beal Biocht card, as if money is not an object needed to run their organisation. Some of the best volunteers in sporting organisations are involved in Soccer.
The Mayo FA has to be one of the best ran districts in the country. It has it's faults. But it more often than not punches above its weight for the structures and product it tries to promote. Much of it's work goes unnoticed as there are not many ways to gain the exposure that the Intercounty team gets for it counter part.
Yes it's all the GAA and the Catholic church's fault. It's not Soccer's fault that's for sure.
The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 25, 2018, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 11:04:25 AM
It won't make any difference to the outcome but I think we could have done without Damien Duff's comments yesterday.
I think it needed to be said!
This is not 1916! Time for the GAA to grow up!
What are they protecting anymore?
I think he just came out and getsaid what a lot of people are thinking. Looking at what has happened with this and the newbridge fiasco there's a disconnect between those at the top and those volunteering/involved at local level.
Kildare co board chairman was apparently giving out it was cian o'Neill doing the interviews/rte news and not him
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 11:49:30 AM
Quote from: spuds on July 25, 2018, 09:43:07 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 01:44:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 01:38:12 AM
Tell me about the GAA games in Tallaght Stadium.
Tell me Shamrocks haven't got a sweetheart deal.
Cuman na mbun Scoil regularly played there.
Google is your friend.
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/finals-day-success-in-dublin-feile-na-ngael
Of course rovers got a good deal, undeservedly, but its unquestionably worked for the area and makes a profit. But the facility is in constant use from corporate gigs to car boot sales and loads of sports. I think the Gaels need to back off that one, history hasnt been kind to Thomas Davis on that one.
I think we all know what would happen if a local gaa club approached the council to use the place for a fundraiser.
Is this the municipal facility that is too small for a 15 a side football or hurling game to be played on? Is that inclusive or exclusive I wonder.
Thats smaller things can fit in bigger things and not vice versa.
The pount remains, the GAA have zero problem using other codes grounds while retaining rule 42. That in itself is an issue
An issue for whom?
Local GAA clubs not being able to use Tallaght stadium for an under 16 or adult game is exclusive. This was pointed out at time when council could have acted. Thomas Davis were correct to object being left outside the gate while a professional soccer team get a free stadium. How much fundraising did Rovers do to help fund said stadium? How much fundraising & borrowings did GAA provide for PuC reconstruction?
Was it the GAA that organised the fundraiser in Belfast? Is it the FAI that are organising the fundraiser in Cork?
When he says it the day of a meeting to find a resolution, and uses broad terms, such as 'gaelic people', it comes across as opportunistic.
Especially the bit about how it doesn't make a difference what the GAA do now, the damage is done.
Surely the objective here is to raise as much money as possible for cancer research?
"Hello, I want to use your house next weekend "
"I don't think I can let you have it"
"You're a fkn dinosaur"
Talk about scuppering you're chances!!!!
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 25, 2018, 12:17:24 PM
I live in rural Ireland. There is an underlying disdain for Soccer (among a large contingent). It is seen as a British game. I hear it all the time in idle comments and actions. I know lads who would never think of exposing their Sons and Daughters to playing Competitive Soccer even though they play the game week in week out in the school yard. Soccer is blamed for the bad things that happen in a game of Gaelic football.
We get asked ''Why doesn't Irealnd have a proper soccer structure like say Norway, Croatia or Sweeden? ''
Could be to do with the RC Church in the early days of our Nations foundation.The RC Churches ruled the Parishes and Schools. (John Giles talks of being made feel not Irish for playing Soccer in a Christian Brothers School). (Norway, Croatia or Sweeden don't have this problem)
Could be to do with the game being seen as British and our trying to move away from all things British (Norway, Croatia or Sweeden don't have this problem).
Could it have to do with the Ban up to the early 70's. 95% of Soccer Clubs in Mayo were founded in the 70's and 80's. In regards GAA Clubs. I'd say 5% were founded in 70's and 80's. (Norway, Croatia or Sweeden don't have this problem)
95% of Soccer in Ireland is AMATEUR! Bar a few clubs (20) in the Cities and big towns. All the Clubs in Mayo are AMATEUR. It bugs me when a multi-million organisation like the GAA play the Amateur Beal Biocht card, as if money is not an object needed to run their organisation. Some of the best volunteers in sporting organisations are involved in Soccer.
The Mayo FA has to be one of the best ran districts in the country. It has it's faults. But it more often than not punches above its weight for the structures and product it tries to promote. Much of it's work goes unnoticed as there are not many ways to gain the exposure that the Intercounty team gets for it counter part.
Soccer club very close to you are paying half their team. Is this considered AMATEUR? They sell a lot of lotto tickets, not sure where else they get money.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 25, 2018, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 25, 2018, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 11:04:25 AM
It won't make any difference to the outcome but I think we could have done without Damien Duff's comments yesterday.
I think it needed to be said!
This is not 1916! Time for the GAA to grow up!
What are they protecting anymore?
I think he just came out and getsaid what a lot of people are thinking. Looking at what has happened with this and the newbridge fiasco there's a disconnect between those at the top and those volunteering/involved at local level.
Kildare co board chairman was apparently giving out it was cian o'Neill doing the interviews/rte news and not him
Tell me about this disconnect. You do realise those people are members of clubs and do a huge amount of work in their local clubs. Are their clubs disconnected from the rest of the country? Where is this disconnect? You're just rehashing something you heard in the media 'about a disconnect'.
The GAA got the Newbridge thing wrong. But they rectified it.
Damien Duff went down hugely in my estimation. He came across very bitter.
Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
The rule is an ass. It always has been. It was an ass 20 years ago when the GAA made fools of themselves over the Omagh match and it is an ass now. It's an ass like "The Ban" was an ass.
What this needs is for people in Cork GAA to stand up and have a bit of courage and to take on and flagrantly break the rule. Let the GAA discipline them if they so wish. They'll just be proving Damien Duff 100% correct.
Read the statement from the club chairman in Wexford detailing how his club are constantly breaking the rules. Let the GAA go and discipline him and his club if they want to prove they are dinosaurs once and for all.
Love the way pro footballers like Andy Reid and Damien Duff are mouthing off to the newspapers about an amateur organisation.
Quote from: spuds on July 25, 2018, 12:42:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 11:49:30 AM
Quote from: spuds on July 25, 2018, 09:43:07 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 01:44:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 01:38:12 AM
Tell me about the GAA games in Tallaght Stadium.
Tell me Shamrocks haven't got a sweetheart deal.
Cuman na mbun Scoil regularly played there.
Google is your friend.
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/finals-day-success-in-dublin-feile-na-ngael
Of course rovers got a good deal, undeservedly, but its unquestionably worked for the area and makes a profit. But the facility is in constant use from corporate gigs to car boot sales and loads of sports. I think the Gaels need to back off that one, history hasnt been kind to Thomas Davis on that one.
I think we all know what would happen if a local gaa club approached the council to use the place for a fundraiser.
Is this the municipal facility that is too small for a 15 a side football or hurling game to be played on? Is that inclusive or exclusive I wonder.
Thats smaller things can fit in bigger things and not vice versa.
The pount remains, the GAA have zero problem using other codes grounds while retaining rule 42. That in itself is an issue
An issue for whom?
Local GAA clubs not being able to use Tallaght stadium for an under 16 or adult game is exclusive. This was pointed out at time when council could have acted. Thomas Davis were correct to object being left outside the gate while a professional soccer team get a free stadium. How much fundraising did Rovers do to help fund said stadium? How much fundraising & borrowings did GAA provide for PuC reconstruction?
Was it the GAA that organised the fundraiser in Belfast? Is it the FAI that are organising the fundraiser in Cork?
Do you object when under 16 games are not played in Croke Park?
Do you object to taxpayers' funds going towards building the new Lansdowne Road?
What about taxpayers funding a new indoor athletics track? Should that new indoor athletics track be expected to stage under 16 GAA games too?
Should any infrastructure funded by public money be expected to hold under 16 GAA games? How about the National Conference Centre, or motorways?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 12:43:46 PM
"Hello, I want to use your house next weekend "
"I don't think I can let you have it"
"You're a fkn dinosaur"
Talk about scuppering you're chances!!!!
Is that the best you can come up with?
I remember backwoodsmen like yourself using the same dumb, failed analogy during the Rule 42 debate.
No offence, but only people with an IQ of under 70 resort to such tripe.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:15:47 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
The rule is an ass. It always has been. It was an ass 20 years ago when the GAA made fools of themselves over the Omagh match and it is an ass now. It's an ass like "The Ban" was an ass.
What this needs is for people in Cork GAA to stand up and have a bit of courage and to take on and flagrantly break the rule. Let the GAA discipline them if they so wish. They'll just be proving Damien Duff 100% correct.
Read the statement from the club chairman in Wexford detailing how his club are constantly breaking the rules. Let the GAA go and discipline him and his club if they want to prove they are dinosaurs once and for all.
You say the gaa made a fool of themselves 20 years ago over Omagh. Did the soccer match not go ahead and there was issues over money going missing and very little if anything went to charity? On the other hand the gaa donated the full gate receipts from an All Ireland semi final replay which amounted to a substantial amount?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 12:43:46 PM
"Hello, I want to use your house next weekend "
"I don't think I can let you have it"
"You're a fkn dinosaur"
Talk about scuppering you're chances!!!!
Thats special needs.
If the state paid you 40% of the build cost on the explicit understanding you share it one weekend a year, then yes, you are at fault
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:15:47 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
The rule is an ass. It always has been. It was an ass 20 years ago when the GAA made fools of themselves over the Omagh match and it is an ass now. It's an ass like "The Ban" was an ass.
What this needs is for people in Cork GAA to stand up and have a bit of courage and to take on and flagrantly break the rule. Let the GAA discipline them if they so wish. They'll just be proving Damien Duff 100% correct.
Read the statement from the club chairman in Wexford detailing how his club are constantly breaking the rules. Let the GAA go and discipline him and his club if they want to prove they are dinosaurs once and for all.
You say the gaa made a fool of themselves 20 years ago over Omagh. Did the soccer match not go ahead and there was issues over money going missing and very little if anything went to charity? On the other hand the gaa donated the full gate receipts from an All Ireland semi final replay which amounted to a substantial amount?
Of course the GAA made fools of themselves over Omagh. The match couldn't be played in Healy Park because of a backward rule which is an absolute embarrassment to the GAA.
Tyrone brought a motion the next year and it got nowhere.
This isn't about taxpayers' money, or what happened to charity money, or idiotic supermarket analogies.
It's about not being d**kheads.
It's about the complete stupidity of a rule that refuses to allow local GAA units and local communities to decide what is best for them and their communities.
Until the GAA as a whole admits the futility and stupidity of the rule, they will continue to be d**kheads.
Quote from: spuds on July 25, 2018, 12:42:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 11:49:30 AM
Quote from: spuds on July 25, 2018, 09:43:07 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 01:44:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 01:38:12 AM
Tell me about the GAA games in Tallaght Stadium.
Tell me Shamrocks haven't got a sweetheart deal.
Cuman na mbun Scoil regularly played there.
Google is your friend.
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/finals-day-success-in-dublin-feile-na-ngael
Of course rovers got a good deal, undeservedly, but its unquestionably worked for the area and makes a profit. But the facility is in constant use from corporate gigs to car boot sales and loads of sports. I think the Gaels need to back off that one, history hasnt been kind to Thomas Davis on that one.
I think we all know what would happen if a local gaa club approached the council to use the place for a fundraiser.
Is this the municipal facility that is too small for a 15 a side football or hurling game to be played on? Is that inclusive or exclusive I wonder.
Thats smaller things can fit in bigger things and not vice versa.
The pount remains, the GAA have zero problem using other codes grounds while retaining rule 42. That in itself is an issue
An issue for whom?
Local GAA clubs not being able to use Tallaght stadium for an under 16 or adult game is exclusive. This was pointed out at time when council could have acted. Thomas Davis were correct to object being left outside the gate while a professional soccer team get a free stadium. How much fundraising did Rovers do to help fund said stadium? How much fundraising & borrowings did GAA provide for PuC reconstruction?
Was it the GAA that organised the fundraiser in Belfast? Is it the FAI that are organising the fundraiser in Cork?
An adult pitch doesnt fit. To make it fit would have had to reduce the capacity bu 70% and triple the costs. Waste of everyone's time and money. If I recall Rovers had put a million in, it was far from 'free'. But thats done and gone.
But the hypocrisy, which is now being played out in the media and politicians are jumping in, is that the GAA are happy to use soccer and rugby grounds, to the point of demanding free access on their terms in court, but wont share their venues. This becomes amplified when its a no to charity in apparant violation of the agreement over funding.
This should have all been put to bed after the Omagh debacle
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:15:47 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
The rule is an ass. It always has been. It was an ass 20 years ago when the GAA made fools of themselves over the Omagh match and it is an ass now. It's an ass like "The Ban" was an ass.
What this needs is for people in Cork GAA to stand up and have a bit of courage and to take on and flagrantly break the rule. Let the GAA discipline them if they so wish. They'll just be proving Damien Duff 100% correct.
Read the statement from the club chairman in Wexford detailing how his club are constantly breaking the rules. Let the GAA go and discipline him and his club if they want to prove they are dinosaurs once and for all.
You say the gaa made a fool of themselves 20 years ago over Omagh. Did the soccer match not go ahead and there was issues over money going missing and very little if anything went to charity? On the other hand the gaa donated the full gate receipts from an All Ireland semi final replay which amounted to a substantial amount?
Of course the GAA made fools of themselves over Omagh. The match couldn't be played in Healy Park because of a backward rule which is an absolute embarrassment to the GAA.
Tyrone brought a motion the next year and it got nowhere.
This isn't about taxpayers' money, or what happened to charity money, or idiotic supermarket analogies.
It's about not being d**kheads.
It's about the complete stupidity of a rule that refuses to allow local GAA units and local communities to decide what is best for them and their communities.
Until the GAA as a whole admits the futility and stupidity of the rule, they will continue to be d**kheads.
When you consider what happened with the money from the "charity" game in Omagh you'd wonder how much benefit it would have been opening it up.
Who is this gaa that you keep calling dickheads? You do know that the gaa is made up of tens of thousands of members and clubs giving their time voluntarily to promote the sport. This includes thousands of hours keeping children active and providing them with multiple qualities including discipline.
So what if the gaa members don't want to promote rival sports. That is their prerogative. There is plenty of sports grounds around the country that gaa wouldn't be welcome in and it's not an issue. Other sports have put money into paying players (some potential gaa players) and boys like Delaney instead of having adequate facilities. Again that is up to them but you can't come crying to what is essentially a rival demanding the use of their facilities.
In terms of this game it probably should have gone ahead as I assume it is a genuine charity game. But you can't go round demanding the use of something that isn't yours.
Shamrock Rovers put FKN ZERO into Tallaght Stadium.
Damien Duff is a typical soccer freeloader.
I presume Sid and the Brigin Buck are making sizeable contributions to the fund?
Or is it just cheaper and more populist to engage in Gahbashing?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 01:39:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 12:43:46 PM
"Hello, I want to use your house next weekend "
"I don't think I can let you have it"
"You're a fkn dinosaur"
Talk about scuppering you're chances!!!!
Thats special needs.
If the state paid you 40% of the build cost on the explicit understanding you share it one weekend a year, then yes, you are at fault
If I heard a 12 year old kid say that I'd tell him to grow up and cop himself on.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:15:47 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
The rule is an ass. It always has been. It was an ass 20 years ago when the GAA made fools of themselves over the Omagh match and it is an ass now. It's an ass like "The Ban" was an ass.
What this needs is for people in Cork GAA to stand up and have a bit of courage and to take on and flagrantly break the rule. Let the GAA discipline them if they so wish. They'll just be proving Damien Duff 100% correct.
Read the statement from the club chairman in Wexford detailing how his club are constantly breaking the rules. Let the GAA go and discipline him and his club if they want to prove they are dinosaurs once and for all.
You say the gaa made a fool of themselves 20 years ago over Omagh. Did the soccer match not go ahead and there was issues over money going missing and very little if anything went to charity? On the other hand the gaa donated the full gate receipts from an All Ireland semi final replay which amounted to a substantial amount?
Of course the GAA made fools of themselves over Omagh. The match couldn't be played in Healy Park because of a backward rule which is an absolute embarrassment to the GAA.
Tyrone brought a motion the next year and it got nowhere.
This isn't about taxpayers' money, or what happened to charity money, or idiotic supermarket analogies.
It's about not being d**kheads.
It's about the complete stupidity of a rule that refuses to allow local GAA units and local communities to decide what is best for them and their communities.
Until the GAA as a whole admits the futility and stupidity of the rule, they will continue to be d**kheads.
When you consider what happened with the money from the "charity" game in Omagh you'd wonder how much benefit it would have been opening it up.
Who is this gaa that you keep calling d**kheads? You do know that the gaa is made up of tens of thousands of members and clubs giving their time voluntarily to promote the sport. This includes thousands of hours keeping children active and providing them with multiple qualities including discipline.
So what if the gaa members don't want to promote rival sports. That is their prerogative. There is plenty of sports grounds around the country that gaa wouldn't be welcome in and it's not an issue. Other sports have put money into paying players (some potential gaa players) and boys like Delaney instead of having adequate facilities. Again that is up to them but you can't come crying to what is essentially a rival demanding the use of their facilities.
In terms of this game it probably should have gone ahead as I assume it is a genuine charity game. But you can't go round demanding the use of something that isn't yours.
1. What grounds are the GAA not welcome in?
2. You missed the bit where as a condition of funding the GAA agreed to allow these events.
3. Do you understand that the GAA for decades got every cent of public sports funding and still get most of it? Do you think thats a factor in the standards of facilities?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 02:02:33 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 01:39:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 12:43:46 PM
"Hello, I want to use your house next weekend "
"I don't think I can let you have it"
"You're a fkn dinosaur"
Talk about scuppering you're chances!!!!
Thats special needs.
If the state paid you 40% of the build cost on the explicit understanding you share it one weekend a year, then yes, you are at fault
If I heard a 12 year old kid say that I'd tell him to grow up and cop himself on.
He made a braindead analogy and got called on it
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 02:01:12 PM
Shamrock Rovers put FKN ZERO into Tallaght Stadium.
Damien Duff is a typical soccer freeloader.
I presume Sid and the Brigin Buck are making sizeable contributions to the fund?
Or is it just cheaper and more populist to engage in Gahbashing?
Thats just not true. Im an active gaa volunteer and entitled to call management on a bad decision based on a bad strategy.
So we're to beleive a soccer club that went bankrupt several times (no doubt leaving plenty stung for casth) put a million euro of their own money into Tallaght Stadium? There's been some fanciful BS written on this and related threads but that takes the biscuit.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.
They seem to have been able to rent Páirc Uí Chaoimh to Michael Jackson and Ed Sheeran.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 02:04:22 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:15:47 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
The rule is an ass. It always has been. It was an ass 20 years ago when the GAA made fools of themselves over the Omagh match and it is an ass now. It's an ass like "The Ban" was an ass.
What this needs is for people in Cork GAA to stand up and have a bit of courage and to take on and flagrantly break the rule. Let the GAA discipline them if they so wish. They'll just be proving Damien Duff 100% correct.
Read the statement from the club chairman in Wexford detailing how his club are constantly breaking the rules. Let the GAA go and discipline him and his club if they want to prove they are dinosaurs once and for all.
You say the gaa made a fool of themselves 20 years ago over Omagh. Did the soccer match not go ahead and there was issues over money going missing and very little if anything went to charity? On the other hand the gaa donated the full gate receipts from an All Ireland semi final replay which amounted to a substantial amount?
Of course the GAA made fools of themselves over Omagh. The match couldn't be played in Healy Park because of a backward rule which is an absolute embarrassment to the GAA.
Tyrone brought a motion the next year and it got nowhere.
This isn't about taxpayers' money, or what happened to charity money, or idiotic supermarket analogies.
It's about not being d**kheads.
It's about the complete stupidity of a rule that refuses to allow local GAA units and local communities to decide what is best for them and their communities.
Until the GAA as a whole admits the futility and stupidity of the rule, they will continue to be d**kheads.
When you consider what happened with the money from the "charity" game in Omagh you'd wonder how much benefit it would have been opening it up.
Who is this gaa that you keep calling d**kheads? You do know that the gaa is made up of tens of thousands of members and clubs giving their time voluntarily to promote the sport. This includes thousands of hours keeping children active and providing them with multiple qualities including discipline.
So what if the gaa members don't want to promote rival sports. That is their prerogative. There is plenty of sports grounds around the country that gaa wouldn't be welcome in and it's not an issue. Other sports have put money into paying players (some potential gaa players) and boys like Delaney instead of having adequate facilities. Again that is up to them but you can't come crying to what is essentially a rival demanding the use of their facilities.
In terms of this game it probably should have gone ahead as I assume it is a genuine charity game. But you can't go round demanding the use of something that isn't yours.
1. What grounds are the GAA not welcome in?
2. You missed the bit where as a condition of funding the GAA agreed to allow these events.
3. Do you understand that the GAA for decades got every cent of public sports funding and still get most of it? Do you think thats a factor in the standards of facilities?
I'm not arguing with anyone who makes things up. Point 3 is so far from factual it's not even funny.
Do you actually think the GAA doesn't hoover up a huge majority of grant money? :o
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:15:47 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
The rule is an ass. It always has been. It was an ass 20 years ago when the GAA made fools of themselves over the Omagh match and it is an ass now. It's an ass like "The Ban" was an ass.
What this needs is for people in Cork GAA to stand up and have a bit of courage and to take on and flagrantly break the rule. Let the GAA discipline them if they so wish. They'll just be proving Damien Duff 100% correct.
Read the statement from the club chairman in Wexford detailing how his club are constantly breaking the rules. Let the GAA go and discipline him and his club if they want to prove they are dinosaurs once and for all.
You say the gaa made a fool of themselves 20 years ago over Omagh. Did the soccer match not go ahead and there was issues over money going missing and very little if anything went to charity? On the other hand the gaa donated the full gate receipts from an All Ireland semi final replay which amounted to a substantial amount?
Of course the GAA made fools of themselves over Omagh. The match couldn't be played in Healy Park because of a backward rule which is an absolute embarrassment to the GAA.
Tyrone brought a motion the next year and it got nowhere.
This isn't about taxpayers' money, or what happened to charity money, or idiotic supermarket analogies.
It's about not being d**kheads.
It's about the complete stupidity of a rule that refuses to allow local GAA units and local communities to decide what is best for them and their communities.
Until the GAA as a whole admits the futility and stupidity of the rule, they will continue to be d**kheads.
When you consider what happened with the money from the "charity" game in Omagh you'd wonder how much benefit it would have been opening it up.
Who is this gaa that you keep calling d**kheads? You do know that the gaa is made up of tens of thousands of members and clubs giving their time voluntarily to promote the sport. This includes thousands of hours keeping children active and providing them with multiple qualities including discipline.
So what if the gaa members don't want to promote rival sports. That is their prerogative. There is plenty of sports grounds around the country that gaa wouldn't be welcome in and it's not an issue. Other sports have put money into paying players (some potential gaa players) and boys like Delaney instead of having adequate facilities. Again that is up to them but you can't come crying to what is essentially a rival demanding the use of their facilities.
In terms of this game it probably should have gone ahead as I assume it is a genuine charity game. But you can't go round demanding the use of something that isn't yours.
Who's demanding the use of Pairc Ui Chaoimh?
There is a wide acceptance in Cork across everybody, most importantly in the GAA community there, that the appropriate venue for this game is Pairc Ui Chaoimh.
Can you name me one good reason why the GAA in Cork should not be allowed make the decision for themselves to offer the use of Pairc Ui Chaoimh for the game?
Can you tell me the difference between this game and the Michael Jackson, Prince or Oasis concerts at the venue, or holding American football in Croke Park?
Can you tell me the difference between the proposed Omagh charity game and Omagh GAA club renting out their hall for an Anthrax concert?
Can you name me one good reason why this rule which bans local GAA units and local communities from deciding what is best for themselves, should still be in place?
Can anybody actually offer a positive defence of the rule?
Can anybody say why it is
not narrow minded?
Every single person who supports this rule is a d**khead, and rightly or wrongly it tarnishes the whole of the GAA as d**kheads by association until it goes.
Nobody has picked one hole in what Damien Duff said.
Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 02:08:35 PM
So we're to beleive a soccer club that went bankrupt several times (no doubt leaving plenty stung for casth) put a million euro of their own money into Tallaght Stadium? There's been some fanciful BS written on this and related threads but that takes the biscuit.
Thats why they went bust. But i dont really care
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 02:10:45 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 02:04:22 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:15:47 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
The rule is an ass. It always has been. It was an ass 20 years ago when the GAA made fools of themselves over the Omagh match and it is an ass now. It's an ass like "The Ban" was an ass.
What this needs is for people in Cork GAA to stand up and have a bit of courage and to take on and flagrantly break the rule. Let the GAA discipline them if they so wish. They'll just be proving Damien Duff 100% correct.
Read the statement from the club chairman in Wexford detailing how his club are constantly breaking the rules. Let the GAA go and discipline him and his club if they want to prove they are dinosaurs once and for all.
You say the gaa made a fool of themselves 20 years ago over Omagh. Did the soccer match not go ahead and there was issues over money going missing and very little if anything went to charity? On the other hand the gaa donated the full gate receipts from an All Ireland semi final replay which amounted to a substantial amount?
Of course the GAA made fools of themselves over Omagh. The match couldn't be played in Healy Park because of a backward rule which is an absolute embarrassment to the GAA.
Tyrone brought a motion the next year and it got nowhere.
This isn't about taxpayers' money, or what happened to charity money, or idiotic supermarket analogies.
It's about not being d**kheads.
It's about the complete stupidity of a rule that refuses to allow local GAA units and local communities to decide what is best for them and their communities.
Until the GAA as a whole admits the futility and stupidity of the rule, they will continue to be d**kheads.
When you consider what happened with the money from the "charity" game in Omagh you'd wonder how much benefit it would have been opening it up.
Who is this gaa that you keep calling d**kheads? You do know that the gaa is made up of tens of thousands of members and clubs giving their time voluntarily to promote the sport. This includes thousands of hours keeping children active and providing them with multiple qualities including discipline.
So what if the gaa members don't want to promote rival sports. That is their prerogative. There is plenty of sports grounds around the country that gaa wouldn't be welcome in and it's not an issue. Other sports have put money into paying players (some potential gaa players) and boys like Delaney instead of having adequate facilities. Again that is up to them but you can't come crying to what is essentially a rival demanding the use of their facilities.
In terms of this game it probably should have gone ahead as I assume it is a genuine charity game. But you can't go round demanding the use of something that isn't yours.
1. What grounds are the GAA not welcome in?
2. You missed the bit where as a condition of funding the GAA agreed to allow these events.
3. Do you understand that the GAA for decades got every cent of public sports funding and still get most of it? Do you think thats a factor in the standards of facilities?
I'm not arguing with anyone who makes things up. Point 3 is so far from factual it's not even funny.
The GAA get about 85% of capital grants in the 26, although that level is falling. Thats billions over the years. Is this in dispute?
Are you jusr going to ignore 1 and 2?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 02:18:40 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 02:10:45 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 02:04:22 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:15:47 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
The rule is an ass. It always has been. It was an ass 20 years ago when the GAA made fools of themselves over the Omagh match and it is an ass now. It's an ass like "The Ban" was an ass.
What this needs is for people in Cork GAA to stand up and have a bit of courage and to take on and flagrantly break the rule. Let the GAA discipline them if they so wish. They'll just be proving Damien Duff 100% correct.
Read the statement from the club chairman in Wexford detailing how his club are constantly breaking the rules. Let the GAA go and discipline him and his club if they want to prove they are dinosaurs once and for all.
You say the gaa made a fool of themselves 20 years ago over Omagh. Did the soccer match not go ahead and there was issues over money going missing and very little if anything went to charity? On the other hand the gaa donated the full gate receipts from an All Ireland semi final replay which amounted to a substantial amount?
Of course the GAA made fools of themselves over Omagh. The match couldn't be played in Healy Park because of a backward rule which is an absolute embarrassment to the GAA.
Tyrone brought a motion the next year and it got nowhere.
This isn't about taxpayers' money, or what happened to charity money, or idiotic supermarket analogies.
It's about not being d**kheads.
It's about the complete stupidity of a rule that refuses to allow local GAA units and local communities to decide what is best for them and their communities.
Until the GAA as a whole admits the futility and stupidity of the rule, they will continue to be d**kheads.
When you consider what happened with the money from the "charity" game in Omagh you'd wonder how much benefit it would have been opening it up.
Who is this gaa that you keep calling d**kheads? You do know that the gaa is made up of tens of thousands of members and clubs giving their time voluntarily to promote the sport. This includes thousands of hours keeping children active and providing them with multiple qualities including discipline.
So what if the gaa members don't want to promote rival sports. That is their prerogative. There is plenty of sports grounds around the country that gaa wouldn't be welcome in and it's not an issue. Other sports have put money into paying players (some potential gaa players) and boys like Delaney instead of having adequate facilities. Again that is up to them but you can't come crying to what is essentially a rival demanding the use of their facilities.
In terms of this game it probably should have gone ahead as I assume it is a genuine charity game. But you can't go round demanding the use of something that isn't yours.
1. What grounds are the GAA not welcome in?
2. You missed the bit where as a condition of funding the GAA agreed to allow these events.
3. Do you understand that the GAA for decades got every cent of public sports funding and still get most of it? Do you think thats a factor in the standards of facilities?
I'm not arguing with anyone who makes things up. Point 3 is so far from factual it's not even funny.
The GAA get about 85% of capital grants in the 26, although that level is falling. Thats billions over the years. Is this in dispute?
Any sources for this?
Nothing near that in the last few years anyway.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 02:18:40 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 02:10:45 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 02:04:22 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 25, 2018, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:15:47 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
The rule is an ass. It always has been. It was an ass 20 years ago when the GAA made fools of themselves over the Omagh match and it is an ass now. It's an ass like "The Ban" was an ass.
What this needs is for people in Cork GAA to stand up and have a bit of courage and to take on and flagrantly break the rule. Let the GAA discipline them if they so wish. They'll just be proving Damien Duff 100% correct.
Read the statement from the club chairman in Wexford detailing how his club are constantly breaking the rules. Let the GAA go and discipline him and his club if they want to prove they are dinosaurs once and for all.
You say the gaa made a fool of themselves 20 years ago over Omagh. Did the soccer match not go ahead and there was issues over money going missing and very little if anything went to charity? On the other hand the gaa donated the full gate receipts from an All Ireland semi final replay which amounted to a substantial amount?
Of course the GAA made fools of themselves over Omagh. The match couldn't be played in Healy Park because of a backward rule which is an absolute embarrassment to the GAA.
Tyrone brought a motion the next year and it got nowhere.
This isn't about taxpayers' money, or what happened to charity money, or idiotic supermarket analogies.
It's about not being d**kheads.
It's about the complete stupidity of a rule that refuses to allow local GAA units and local communities to decide what is best for them and their communities.
Until the GAA as a whole admits the futility and stupidity of the rule, they will continue to be d**kheads.
When you consider what happened with the money from the "charity" game in Omagh you'd wonder how much benefit it would have been opening it up.
Who is this gaa that you keep calling d**kheads? You do know that the gaa is made up of tens of thousands of members and clubs giving their time voluntarily to promote the sport. This includes thousands of hours keeping children active and providing them with multiple qualities including discipline.
So what if the gaa members don't want to promote rival sports. That is their prerogative. There is plenty of sports grounds around the country that gaa wouldn't be welcome in and it's not an issue. Other sports have put money into paying players (some potential gaa players) and boys like Delaney instead of having adequate facilities. Again that is up to them but you can't come crying to what is essentially a rival demanding the use of their facilities.
In terms of this game it probably should have gone ahead as I assume it is a genuine charity game. But you can't go round demanding the use of something that isn't yours.
1. What grounds are the GAA not welcome in?
2. You missed the bit where as a condition of funding the GAA agreed to allow these events.
3. Do you understand that the GAA for decades got every cent of public sports funding and still get most of it? Do you think thats a factor in the standards of facilities?
I'm not arguing with anyone who makes things up. Point 3 is so far from factual it's not even funny.
The GAA get about 85% of capital grants in the 26, although that level is falling. Thats billions over the years. Is this in dispute?
That's a big difference to sports funding including for example tax breaks.
Unreal too that in the past soccer and rugby etc got no capital funding at all. Fair play them for building the Aviva and Shamrock Rovers grounds etc without it.
Quote from: trailer on July 25, 2018, 12:51:03 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 25, 2018, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 25, 2018, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 11:04:25 AM
It won't make any difference to the outcome but I think we could have done without Damien Duff's comments yesterday.
I think it needed to be said!
This is not 1916! Time for the GAA to grow up!
What are they protecting anymore?
I think he just came out and getsaid what a lot of people are thinking. Looking at what has happened with this and the newbridge fiasco there's a disconnect between those at the top and those volunteering/involved at local level.
Kildare co board chairman was apparently giving out it was cian o'Neill doing the interviews/rte news and not him
Tell me about this disconnect. You do realise those people are members of clubs and do a huge amount of work in their local clubs. Are their clubs disconnected from the rest of the country? Where is this disconnect? You're just rehashing something you heard in the media 'about a disconnect'.
The GAA got the Newbridge thing wrong. But they rectified it.
Damien Duff went down hugely in my estimation. He came across very bitter.
Have you been living under a rock for the last few months. If so, then (if you have access to the internet) go to youtube and look up off the ball newbridge. It has interviews with Ned Quinn, Sean Kelly and Alan Milton from the GAA among others. I was listening to them being interviewed yesterday evening and it was car crash stuff.
Ned Quinn head of the CCCC: Basically said we set the fixtures and we are in charge. Did you tell Kildare the game was being moved to Croke Park before telling the media...... awkward silence, meaning no. Kept saying rules of the competition that said Kildare were entitled to a home fixture was irrelevant, we (the CCCC) can change it if we want!
Sean Quinn (former president): When asked can we do to solve it. Without even thinking his answer was Kildare players/management have made there point. Play in croker and let kildare co. board/croke park sort out compensation and everybody's happy. Just assumed money would make Co. Board happy and didn't even consider the player/management point of view.
Alan Milton: (GAA "communications officer") When interviewed after game was refixed for newbridge kept insisting it was gardai's fault for not giving more detailed H&S details to croke park and that's why game was moved. At one point was shouting down the phone at the presenter for not agreeing with him. Completely unprofessional and he was lucky the host actually showed some professionalism and didn't react or it could have got nasty.
Cork co board are obviously desperate to get games into PuC. For the CCCC to choose PuC as the venue for Wexford v Clare had to be a political decision influenced by Cork co. board and/or GAA top brass. Thurles was closer for both teams and the fact the attendance barely scraped past 10K shows what the general public thought of the decision. Minimum 4 hours drive for wexford fans/team there and back in that heat on a saturday afternoon when they could have played it in Thurles as part of a double header (which was closer for both Wexford & Clare) shows how little they care about the ordinary fan/players and were lucky to get 10K
Then there was what I believe was the key line in last week's official statement issued by the GAA about not opening PuC:
The GAA has sought legal advice around funding received towards the redevelopment of Páirc Uí Chaoimh and believes it is compliant with the terms and conditions laid down in September 2016"So a community organisation sought legal advice to confirm they were right not to open the ground rather look for a way to get around the rules. Imagine Liam Miller's family reading/hearing that. I'm a bit surprised they didn't tel the GAA to f**k off and keep their stadium there and then for such a ignorant, heartless statement.
Now if you think all those decisions/comments/opinions are the same views as the majority of joe public, then I'm sorry it's you with your head up your ass, not everybody else, especially Damien Duff
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The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
The rule is an ass. It always has been. It was an ass 20 years ago when the GAA made fools of themselves over the Omagh match and it is an ass now. It's an ass like "The Ban" was an ass.
What this needs is for people in Cork GAA to stand up and have a bit of courage and to take on and flagrantly break the rule. Let the GAA discipline them if they so wish. They'll just be proving Damien Duff 100% correct.
Read the statement from the club chairman in Wexford detailing how his club are constantly breaking the rules. Let the GAA go and discipline him and his club if they want to prove they are dinosaurs once and for all.
You say the gaa made a fool of themselves 20 years ago over Omagh. Did the soccer match not go ahead and there was issues over money going missing and very little if anything went to charity? On the other hand the gaa donated the full gate receipts from an All Ireland semi final replay which amounted to a substantial amount?
Of course the GAA made fools of themselves over Omagh. The match couldn't be played in Healy Park because of a backward rule which is an absolute embarrassment to the GAA.
Tyrone brought a motion the next year and it got nowhere.
This isn't about taxpayers' money, or what happened to charity money, or idiotic supermarket analogies.
It's about not being d**kheads.
It's about the complete stupidity of a rule that refuses to allow local GAA units and local communities to decide what is best for them and their communities.
Until the GAA as a whole admits the futility and stupidity of the rule, they will continue to be d**kheads.
When you consider what happened with the money from the "charity" game in Omagh you'd wonder how much benefit it would have been opening it up.
Who is this gaa that you keep calling d**kheads? You do know that the gaa is made up of tens of thousands of members and clubs giving their time voluntarily to promote the sport. This includes thousands of hours keeping children active and providing them with multiple qualities including discipline.
So what if the gaa members don't want to promote rival sports. That is their prerogative. There is plenty of sports grounds around the country that gaa wouldn't be welcome in and it's not an issue. Other sports have put money into paying players (some potential gaa players) and boys like Delaney instead of having adequate facilities. Again that is up to them but you can't come crying to what is essentially a rival demanding the use of their facilities.
In terms of this game it probably should have gone ahead as I assume it is a genuine charity game. But you can't go round demanding the use of something that isn't yours.
1. What grounds are the GAA not welcome in?
2. You missed the bit where as a condition of funding the GAA agreed to allow these events.
3. Do you understand that the GAA for decades got every cent of public sports funding and still get most of it? Do you think thats a factor in the standards of facilities?
I'm not arguing with anyone who makes things up. Point 3 is so far from factual it's not even funny.
The GAA get about 85% of capital grants in the 26, although that level is falling. Thats billions over the years. Is this in dispute?
That's a big difference to sports funding including for example tax breaks.
Unreal too that in the past soccer and rugby etc got no capital funding at all. Fair play them for building the Aviva and Shamrock Rovers grounds etc without it.
what bit of the ratio is falling was too complicated for you?
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The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
The rule is an ass. It always has been. It was an ass 20 years ago when the GAA made fools of themselves over the Omagh match and it is an ass now. It's an ass like "The Ban" was an ass.
What this needs is for people in Cork GAA to stand up and have a bit of courage and to take on and flagrantly break the rule. Let the GAA discipline them if they so wish. They'll just be proving Damien Duff 100% correct.
Read the statement from the club chairman in Wexford detailing how his club are constantly breaking the rules. Let the GAA go and discipline him and his club if they want to prove they are dinosaurs once and for all.
You say the gaa made a fool of themselves 20 years ago over Omagh. Did the soccer match not go ahead and there was issues over money going missing and very little if anything went to charity? On the other hand the gaa donated the full gate receipts from an All Ireland semi final replay which amounted to a substantial amount?
Of course the GAA made fools of themselves over Omagh. The match couldn't be played in Healy Park because of a backward rule which is an absolute embarrassment to the GAA.
Tyrone brought a motion the next year and it got nowhere.
This isn't about taxpayers' money, or what happened to charity money, or idiotic supermarket analogies.
It's about not being d**kheads.
It's about the complete stupidity of a rule that refuses to allow local GAA units and local communities to decide what is best for them and their communities.
Until the GAA as a whole admits the futility and stupidity of the rule, they will continue to be d**kheads.
When you consider what happened with the money from the "charity" game in Omagh you'd wonder how much benefit it would have been opening it up.
Who is this gaa that you keep calling d**kheads? You do know that the gaa is made up of tens of thousands of members and clubs giving their time voluntarily to promote the sport. This includes thousands of hours keeping children active and providing them with multiple qualities including discipline.
So what if the gaa members don't want to promote rival sports. That is their prerogative. There is plenty of sports grounds around the country that gaa wouldn't be welcome in and it's not an issue. Other sports have put money into paying players (some potential gaa players) and boys like Delaney instead of having adequate facilities. Again that is up to them but you can't come crying to what is essentially a rival demanding the use of their facilities.
In terms of this game it probably should have gone ahead as I assume it is a genuine charity game. But you can't go round demanding the use of something that isn't yours.
1. What grounds are the GAA not welcome in?
2. You missed the bit where as a condition of funding the GAA agreed to allow these events.
3. Do you understand that the GAA for decades got every cent of public sports funding and still get most of it? Do you think thats a factor in the standards of facilities?
I'm not arguing with anyone who makes things up. Point 3 is so far from factual it's not even funny.
The GAA get about 85% of capital grants in the 26, although that level is falling. Thats billions over the years. Is this in dispute?
That's a big difference to sports funding including for example tax breaks.
Unreal too that in the past soccer and rugby etc got no capital funding at all. Fair play them for building the Aviva and Shamrock Rovers grounds etc without it.
what bit of the ratio is falling was too complicated for you?
You said that for decades the gaa got nearly every cent of public sports funding (you didn't mention capital). This was hugely inaccurate.
You've now changed it to capital funding and are still saying the gaa got nearly every cent of capital funding in the past. Again this can't be true as the likes of the Aviva was built in the past and I'm pretty sure they got a large portion of government money.
Interestingly Bertie wanted a new stadium built that could be used for soccer rugby and gaa. However it was shot down as they said the gaa pitch was too big.
The 3 organisations - association soccer, rugby, GAA - operate independently of each other with next to no cooperation. In Galway the Connacht rugby team has outgrown the Sportsground but there would be no question of the team commandeering either the GAA stadium, the soccer stadium or the racecourse .
Part of this state of affairs is political. Everything is uber centralised . Regional cities have zero power. All the money goes to Dublin. Everything, everything
In more advanced polities the local political leadership might be responsible for sports development including stadium funding and the stadium might be designed for use by several sports . But Ireland is not at that stage yet.
Each sport has to fund its own infrastructure and the FAI takes this less seriously than the GAA.
The Jackson and other concert money went into infrastructure. Where did the World Cup money go ?
The Irish political system is backward. The GAA operates in a backward system. It is not the problem.
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2018, 02:54:33 PM
The 3 organisations - association soccer, rugby, GAA - operate independently of each other with next to no cooperation. In Galway the Connacht rugby team has outgrown the Sportsground but there would be no question of the team commandeering either the GAA stadium, the soccer stadium or the racecourse .
Connacht actually have a stadium that is pretty much perfect for their needs. It holds around 8k and the average attendance is around 6k. It generally creates a smashing atmosphere. It's five minutes walk to Eyre Square.
Only once in the blue moon would they want something bigger than that. No reason why that shouldn't be Pearse Stadium though if they reached a Heineken Cup quarter-final or semi-final.
The new Thomond Park is a fine stadium but it's too big for most Munster games and the atmosphere gets lost.
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It won't make any difference to the outcome but I think we could have done without Damien Duff's comments yesterday.
I think it needed to be said!
This is not 1916! Time for the GAA to grow up!
What are they protecting anymore?
I think he just came out and getsaid what a lot of people are thinking. Looking at what has happened with this and the newbridge fiasco there's a disconnect between those at the top and those volunteering/involved at local level.
Kildare co board chairman was apparently giving out it was cian o'Neill doing the interviews/rte news and not him
Tell me about this disconnect. You do realise those people are members of clubs and do a huge amount of work in their local clubs. Are their clubs disconnected from the rest of the country? Where is this disconnect? You're just rehashing something you heard in the media 'about a disconnect'.
The GAA got the Newbridge thing wrong. But they rectified it.
Damien Duff went down hugely in my estimation. He came across very bitter.
Have you been living under a rock for the last few months. If so, then (if you have access to the internet) go to youtube and look up off the ball newbridge. It has interviews with Ned Quinn, Sean Kelly and Alan Milton from the GAA among others. I was listening to them being interviewed yesterday evening and it was car crash stuff.
Ned Quinn head of the CCCC: Basically said we set the fixtures and we are in charge. Did you tell Kildare the game was being moved to Croke Park before telling the media...... awkward silence, meaning no. Kept saying rules of the competition that said Kildare were entitled to a home fixture was irrelevant, we (the CCCC) can change it if we want!
Sean Quinn (former president): When asked can we do to solve it. Without even thinking his answer was Kildare players/management have made there point. Play in croker and let kildare co. board/croke park sort out compensation and everybody's happy. Just assumed money would make Co. Board happy and didn't even consider the player/management point of view.
Alan Milton: (GAA "communications officer") When interviewed after game was refixed for newbridge kept insisting it was gardai's fault for not giving more detailed H&S details to croke park and that's why game was moved. At one point was shouting down the phone at the presenter for not agreeing with him. Completely unprofessional and he was lucky the host actually showed some professionalism and didn't react or it could have got nasty.
Cork co board are obviously desperate to get games into PuC. For the CCCC to choose PuC as the venue for Wexford v Clare had to be a political decision influenced by Cork co. board and/or GAA top brass. Thurles was closer for both teams and the fact the attendance barely scraped past 10K shows what the general public thought of the decision. Minimum 4 hours drive for wexford fans/team there and back in that heat on a saturday afternoon when they could have played it in Thurles as part of a double header (which was closer for both Wexford & Clare) shows how little they care about the ordinary fan/players and were lucky to get 10K
Then there was what I believe was the key line in last week's official statement issued by the GAA about not opening PuC: The GAA has sought legal advice around funding received towards the redevelopment of Páirc Uí Chaoimh and believes it is compliant with the terms and conditions laid down in September 2016"
So a community organisation sought legal advice to confirm they were right not to open the ground rather look for a way to get around the rules. Imagine Liam Miller's family reading/hearing that. I'm a bit surprised they didn't tel the GAA to f**k off and keep their stadium there and then for such a ignorant, heartless statement.
Now if you think all those decisions/comments/opinions are the same views as the majority of joe public, then I'm sorry it's you with your head up your ass, not everybody else, especially Damien Duff
You keep going on about the Wexford v Clare game being in PUC. With the greatest of respect someone from Dublin has no right to be pontificating about decisions on where games are played.
Having said that I fully agree with the rest of your post.
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The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
The rule is an ass. It always has been. It was an ass 20 years ago when the GAA made fools of themselves over the Omagh match and it is an ass now. It's an ass like "The Ban" was an ass.
What this needs is for people in Cork GAA to stand up and have a bit of courage and to take on and flagrantly break the rule. Let the GAA discipline them if they so wish. They'll just be proving Damien Duff 100% correct.
Read the statement from the club chairman in Wexford detailing how his club are constantly breaking the rules. Let the GAA go and discipline him and his club if they want to prove they are dinosaurs once and for all.
You say the gaa made a fool of themselves 20 years ago over Omagh. Did the soccer match not go ahead and there was issues over money going missing and very little if anything went to charity? On the other hand the gaa donated the full gate receipts from an All Ireland semi final replay which amounted to a substantial amount?
Of course the GAA made fools of themselves over Omagh. The match couldn't be played in Healy Park because of a backward rule which is an absolute embarrassment to the GAA.
Tyrone brought a motion the next year and it got nowhere.
This isn't about taxpayers' money, or what happened to charity money, or idiotic supermarket analogies.
It's about not being d**kheads.
It's about the complete stupidity of a rule that refuses to allow local GAA units and local communities to decide what is best for them and their communities.
Until the GAA as a whole admits the futility and stupidity of the rule, they will continue to be d**kheads.
When you consider what happened with the money from the "charity" game in Omagh you'd wonder how much benefit it would have been opening it up.
Who is this gaa that you keep calling d**kheads? You do know that the gaa is made up of tens of thousands of members and clubs giving their time voluntarily to promote the sport. This includes thousands of hours keeping children active and providing them with multiple qualities including discipline.
So what if the gaa members don't want to promote rival sports. That is their prerogative. There is plenty of sports grounds around the country that gaa wouldn't be welcome in and it's not an issue. Other sports have put money into paying players (some potential gaa players) and boys like Delaney instead of having adequate facilities. Again that is up to them but you can't come crying to what is essentially a rival demanding the use of their facilities.
In terms of this game it probably should have gone ahead as I assume it is a genuine charity game. But you can't go round demanding the use of something that isn't yours.
1. What grounds are the GAA not welcome in?
2. You missed the bit where as a condition of funding the GAA agreed to allow these events.
3. Do you understand that the GAA for decades got every cent of public sports funding and still get most of it? Do you think thats a factor in the standards of facilities?
I'm not arguing with anyone who makes things up. Point 3 is so far from factual it's not even funny.
The GAA get about 85% of capital grants in the 26, although that level is falling. Thats billions over the years. Is this in dispute?
That's a big difference to sports funding including for example tax breaks.
Unreal too that in the past soccer and rugby etc got no capital funding at all. Fair play them for building the Aviva and Shamrock Rovers grounds etc without it.
what bit of the ratio is falling was too complicated for you?
You said that for decades the gaa got nearly every cent of public sports funding (you didn't mention capital). This was hugely inaccurate.
You've now changed it to capital funding and are still saying the gaa got nearly every cent of capital funding in the past. Again this can't be true as the likes of the Aviva was built in the past and I'm pretty sure they got a large portion of government money.
Interestingly Bertie wanted a new stadium built that could be used for soccer rugby and gaa. However it was shot down as they said the gaa pitch was too big.
Enter strawman....
Thats not why the Bertiebowl was nixed.
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Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 02:08:35 PM
So we're to beleive a soccer club that went bankrupt several times (no doubt leaving plenty stung for casth) put a million euro of their own money into Tallaght Stadium? There's been some fanciful BS written on this and related threads but that takes the biscuit.
Thats why they went bust. But i dont really care
Which time? Such nonsense.
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The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
The rule is an ass. It always has been. It was an ass 20 years ago when the GAA made fools of themselves over the Omagh match and it is an ass now. It's an ass like "The Ban" was an ass.
What this needs is for people in Cork GAA to stand up and have a bit of courage and to take on and flagrantly break the rule. Let the GAA discipline them if they so wish. They'll just be proving Damien Duff 100% correct.
Read the statement from the club chairman in Wexford detailing how his club are constantly breaking the rules. Let the GAA go and discipline him and his club if they want to prove they are dinosaurs once and for all.
You say the gaa made a fool of themselves 20 years ago over Omagh. Did the soccer match not go ahead and there was issues over money going missing and very little if anything went to charity? On the other hand the gaa donated the full gate receipts from an All Ireland semi final replay which amounted to a substantial amount?
Of course the GAA made fools of themselves over Omagh. The match couldn't be played in Healy Park because of a backward rule which is an absolute embarrassment to the GAA.
Tyrone brought a motion the next year and it got nowhere.
This isn't about taxpayers' money, or what happened to charity money, or idiotic supermarket analogies.
It's about not being d**kheads.
It's about the complete stupidity of a rule that refuses to allow local GAA units and local communities to decide what is best for them and their communities.
Until the GAA as a whole admits the futility and stupidity of the rule, they will continue to be d**kheads.
When you consider what happened with the money from the "charity" game in Omagh you'd wonder how much benefit it would have been opening it up.
Who is this gaa that you keep calling d**kheads? You do know that the gaa is made up of tens of thousands of members and clubs giving their time voluntarily to promote the sport. This includes thousands of hours keeping children active and providing them with multiple qualities including discipline.
So what if the gaa members don't want to promote rival sports. That is their prerogative. There is plenty of sports grounds around the country that gaa wouldn't be welcome in and it's not an issue. Other sports have put money into paying players (some potential gaa players) and boys like Delaney instead of having adequate facilities. Again that is up to them but you can't come crying to what is essentially a rival demanding the use of their facilities.
In terms of this game it probably should have gone ahead as I assume it is a genuine charity game. But you can't go round demanding the use of something that isn't yours.
1. What grounds are the GAA not welcome in?
2. You missed the bit where as a condition of funding the GAA agreed to allow these events.
3. Do you understand that the GAA for decades got every cent of public sports funding and still get most of it? Do you think thats a factor in the standards of facilities?
Where is that condition specified ? IMHO the government should never of given that amount of money without a cast iron agreement that other events could take place there. Our government imho have been very slack with taking care of our money here !
In regards to sports funding the GAA have received a lot on money but for a lot of these projects it might add up to only 25% of the funding.
Shamrock Rovers got a grant of c IR£1.5m.
When that ran out they stopped paying the Builder who saw what was coming and got out fast.
They then went bust owing Revenue and the Builder.
A group of fans established a new club and called it Shamrock Rovers.
Eventually the Council restarted Tallaght Stadium , paid the arrears to the builder, bought back the lease on their own land (€1 2m!!) from some smoke and mirror off shore Company who had owned Shamrock Rovers.
Whole shebang cost €14m of taxpayer money and they point blank refused to leave space to extend the playing area for Gaelic games.
Didn't the taxpayer also pay 2 thirds of the cost of rebuilding Lansdowne Road?
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Shamrock Rovers got a grant of c IR£1.5m.
When that ran out they stopped paying the Builder who saw what was coming and got out fast.
They then went bust owing Revenue and the Builder.
A group of fans established a new club and called it Shamrock Rovers.
Eventually the Council restarted Tallaght Stadium , paid the arrears to the builder, bought back the lease on their own land (€1 2m!!) from some smoke and mirror off shore Company who had owned Shamrock Rovers.
Whole shebang cost €14m of taxpayer money and they point blank refused to leave space to extend the playing area for Gaelic games.
Didn't the taxpayer also pay 2 thirds of the cost of rebuilding Lansdowne Road?
And both those stadia are multi sport.
I cant help but feel you are going back 10 years to avoid the topic in hand.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 05:33:33 PM
Shamrock Rovers got a grant of c IR£1.5m.
When that ran out they stopped paying the Builder who saw what was coming and got out fast.
They then went bust owing Revenue and the Builder.
A group of fans established a new club and called it Shamrock Rovers.
Eventually the Council restarted Tallaght Stadium , paid the arrears to the builder, bought back the lease on their own land (€1 2m!!) from some smoke and mirror off shore Company who had owned Shamrock Rovers.
Whole shebang cost €14m of taxpayer money and they point blank refused to leave space to extend the playing area for Gaelic games.
Didn't the taxpayer also pay 2 thirds of the cost of rebuilding Lansdowne Road?
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Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 01:15:47 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
The rule is an ass. It always has been. It was an ass 20 years ago when the GAA made fools of themselves over the Omagh match and it is an ass now. It's an ass like "The Ban" was an ass.
What this needs is for people in Cork GAA to stand up and have a bit of courage and to take on and flagrantly break the rule. Let the GAA discipline them if they so wish. They'll just be proving Damien Duff 100% correct.
Read the statement from the club chairman in Wexford detailing how his club are constantly breaking the rules. Let the GAA go and discipline him and his club if they want to prove they are dinosaurs once and for all.
You say the gaa made a fool of themselves 20 years ago over Omagh. Did the soccer match not go ahead and there was issues over money going missing and very little if anything went to charity? On the other hand the gaa donated the full gate receipts from an All Ireland semi final replay which amounted to a substantial amount?
Of course the GAA made fools of themselves over Omagh. The match couldn't be played in Healy Park because of a backward rule which is an absolute embarrassment to the GAA.
Tyrone brought a motion the next year and it got nowhere.
This isn't about taxpayers' money, or what happened to charity money, or idiotic supermarket analogies.
It's about not being d**kheads.
It's about the complete stupidity of a rule that refuses to allow local GAA units and local communities to decide what is best for them and their communities.
Until the GAA as a whole admits the futility and stupidity of the rule, they will continue to be d**kheads.
When you consider what happened with the money from the "charity" game in Omagh you'd wonder how much benefit it would have been opening it up.
Who is this gaa that you keep calling d**kheads? You do know that the gaa is made up of tens of thousands of members and clubs giving their time voluntarily to promote the sport. This includes thousands of hours keeping children active and providing them with multiple qualities including discipline.
So what if the gaa members don't want to promote rival sports. That is their prerogative. There is plenty of sports grounds around the country that gaa wouldn't be welcome in and it's not an issue. Other sports have put money into paying players (some potential gaa players) and boys like Delaney instead of having adequate facilities. Again that is up to them but you can't come crying to what is essentially a rival demanding the use of their facilities.
In terms of this game it probably should have gone ahead as I assume it is a genuine charity game. But you can't go round demanding the use of something that isn't yours.
1. What grounds are the GAA not welcome in?
2. You missed the bit where as a condition of funding the GAA agreed to allow these events.
3. Do you understand that the GAA for decades got every cent of public sports funding and still get most of it? Do you think thats a factor in the standards of facilities?
Where is that condition specified ? IMHO the government should never of given that amount of money without a cast iron agreement that other events could take place there. Our government imho have been very slack with taking care of our money here !
In regards to sports funding the GAA have received a lot on money but for a lot of these projects it might add up to only 25% of the funding.
Its linked on about the third page of this thread. Its in the media reporting.
How is Lansdowne Road multi sport when the playing area isn't big enough for Gaelic games? (Like the ' free" Tallaght Stadium).
It was built for soccer and rugby only.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2018, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2018, 10:40:04 AM
I don't think Melbourne or Sydney are relevant to the GAA. Sport in Ireland has been politicised for over 100 years and relations between the GAA and soccer/rugby have always had a bit of needle even after Croke Park was open to soccer and rugby. You can see it now on twitter.
Irish soccer has always had a parasitical side. Feeding off England. Never developing its infrastructure. Also very short sighted. Selling Glenmalure park.
And extremely complacent.
It's always soccer asking.
The 3 organisations are like siblings.The GAA is the oldest and has always paid his way. The IRFU married a foreigner and has concussion . The FAI is the youngest, was always spoilt, and never paid for anything. She thinks the GAA should provide for her.
It's a lot easier to "pay your way" when you've never had to pay your players.
Association football in 26 county Ireland has never developed a strong domestic game because i) it had and has English football on its doorstep and ii) the whole official culture of the Irish Free State was against it, including the GAA's ban. Before 1922, the game was controlled from Belfast.
The League of Ireland is like a corner shop trying to survive with a Tesco superstore 50 yards down the road from it.
If anything, English football has acted as a parasite on Irish football, taking all its best players and the vast majority of Irish public interest in the game.
A lot of your points relate to structural issues within soccer. Most small countries say population less than 15m struggle with their domestic leagues because the best players are hoovered up to play with Bayern, Juve, Real or whoever. Soccer is a money game and money controls what happens. Even the Dutch League has problems. Reginal teams do not have the money to buy the players that might make make their games interesting. The top 10 European clubs spent an average of Euro 250m on transfers last season. the top Swiss team spent EUR 7m . The 5th wealthiest Swiss team spent EUR 1m. And Swiss soccer is relatively well managed.
A lot of soccer players are overpaid as well.
Maybe it would be better to put the money into infrastructure.
The corner shop could be expanded and start offering organic products that Tesco don't sell.
Management in the FAI has been substandard for a number of decades.
There aren't many association football players in Ireland who are overpaid. Some aren't even paid at all. Look at Bray Wanderers.
As I said, when you don't have to pay players, and have a lot bigger attendances, as is the case in the GAA, it's a lot easier to invest in infrastructure.
Even the modest improvements which have taken place in Irish association football in recent times in that regard, such as the new Lansdowne Road, Turner's Cross, Tallaght and Terryland Park, have been fraught with difficulty.
Irish soccer is not like GAA. It's part of a bigger system where the players are all overpriced. So the cost of getting in the sort of players that might make the game more attractive is out of reach. This is a huge problem all over Europe. Punters prefer to watch the galacticos on TV rather than go to their local stadium to watch slower, less talented players who can't hack it anywhere else.
The best players leave.
In GAA they don't.
The GAA gets bigger crowds.
Soccer doesn't care about Ireland either.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 06:50:21 PM
How is Lansdowne Road multi sport when the playing area isn't big enough for Gaelic games? (Like the ' free" Tallaght Stadium).
It was built for soccer and rugby only.
thats multi sport by definition.
Your definition of multi sport is including a specific sport. Thats not how the world works
I'm firmly in favour of this game being played in PUC.
I see a lot of points being raised and those that raise them being accused of being GAA bashers and responses that accuse third parties of being GAA bashers. But very little actual responses to the points being raised. Is the GAA bashing accusation just a red herring?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 07:34:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 06:50:21 PM
How is Lansdowne Road multi sport when the playing area isn't big enough for Gaelic games? (Like the ' free" Tallaght Stadium).
It was built for soccer and rugby only.
thats multi sport by definition.
Your definition of multi sport is including a specific sport. Thats not how the world works
Grand, all GAA stadia are multi sport then, Hurling & Football.
This is why I said Duff's comments were unhelpful.
It wasn't what he said so much as the aggressive tone he used.
Plenty of people within and outside the GAA 'family' have articulated the view that the hierarchy needs to get with the times over the last week.
There was a level of vitriol from Duff, that echoed a lot of the 'grab all association' guff on social media, and that really got peoples backs up.
The fact that he's affiliated with Shamrock Rovers, whose fan base seem to be virulently anti-GAA, doesn't help with the perception that this was an opportunity to stick the knife in, safe in the knowledge that popular opinion would be behind him.
It's not hypocritical to take issue with that while agreeing that the game should be in PUC and acknowledging that HQ have dropped the ball AGAIN.
Quote from: trailer on July 25, 2018, 08:22:20 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 07:34:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2018, 06:50:21 PM
How is Lansdowne Road multi sport when the playing area isn't big enough for Gaelic games? (Like the ' free" Tallaght Stadium).
It was built for soccer and rugby only.
thats multi sport by definition.
Your definition of multi sport is including a specific sport. Thats not how the world works
Grand, all GAA stadia are multi sport then, Hurling & Football.
Don't forget the Camógs and Ladies Peil.
Jaysus Monaghan would love to play in Tallagh stadium, Rory Beggan would point all his kickouts.
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2018, 06:58:27 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2018, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2018, 10:40:04 AM
I don't think Melbourne or Sydney are relevant to the GAA. Sport in Ireland has been politicised for over 100 years and relations between the GAA and soccer/rugby have always had a bit of needle even after Croke Park was open to soccer and rugby. You can see it now on twitter.
Irish soccer has always had a parasitical side. Feeding off England. Never developing its infrastructure. Also very short sighted. Selling Glenmalure park.
And extremely complacent.
It's always soccer asking.
The 3 organisations are like siblings.The GAA is the oldest and has always paid his way. The IRFU married a foreigner and has concussion . The FAI is the youngest, was always spoilt, and never paid for anything. She thinks the GAA should provide for her.
It's a lot easier to "pay your way" when you've never had to pay your players.
Association football in 26 county Ireland has never developed a strong domestic game because i) it had and has English football on its doorstep and ii) the whole official culture of the Irish Free State was against it, including the GAA's ban. Before 1922, the game was controlled from Belfast.
The League of Ireland is like a corner shop trying to survive with a Tesco superstore 50 yards down the road from it.
If anything, English football has acted as a parasite on Irish football, taking all its best players and the vast majority of Irish public interest in the game.
A lot of your points relate to structural issues within soccer. Most small countries say population less than 15m struggle with their domestic leagues because the best players are hoovered up to play with Bayern, Juve, Real or whoever. Soccer is a money game and money controls what happens. Even the Dutch League has problems. Reginal teams do not have the money to buy the players that might make make their games interesting. The top 10 European clubs spent an average of Euro 250m on transfers last season. the top Swiss team spent EUR 7m . The 5th wealthiest Swiss team spent EUR 1m. And Swiss soccer is relatively well managed.
A lot of soccer players are overpaid as well.
Maybe it would be better to put the money into infrastructure.
The corner shop could be expanded and start offering organic products that Tesco don't sell.
Management in the FAI has been substandard for a number of decades.
There aren't many association football players in Ireland who are overpaid. Some aren't even paid at all. Look at Bray Wanderers.
As I said, when you don't have to pay players, and have a lot bigger attendances, as is the case in the GAA, it's a lot easier to invest in infrastructure.
Even the modest improvements which have taken place in Irish association football in recent times in that regard, such as the new Lansdowne Road, Turner's Cross, Tallaght and Terryland Park, have been fraught with difficulty.
Irish soccer is not like GAA. It's part of a bigger system where the players are all overpriced. So the cost of getting in the sort of players that might make the game more attractive is out of reach. This is a huge problem all over Europe. Punters prefer to watch the galacticos on TV rather than go to their local stadium to watch slower, less talented players who can't hack it anywhere else.
The best players leave.
In GAA they don't.
The GAA gets bigger crowds.
Soccer doesn't care about Ireland either.
Indeed, the GAA gets bigger crowds because they are watching the highest level of GAA. In Ireland, when you watch association football, you are watching a standard that is far below the best, and unsurprisingly the public don't turn out in their droves for this.
None of this is the FAIs's fault. It's because Ireland is a small peripheral country whose best players have always left it, meaning the club game here could never get off the ground in a major way. It's just the way it is.
But it's therefore futile to ask why association football doesn't have good infrastructure. The game in this country is down on its uppers because it is small fry in a wider European context, and because Ireland is almost unique in Europe, certainly among small countries, in having two other major field sport organisations competing against association football. Norway, Croatia, Denmark and the likes do not have GAA or rugby.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 08:22:45 PM
This is why I said Duff's comments were unhelpful.
It wasn't what he said so much as the aggressive tone he used.
Plenty of people within and outside the GAA 'family' have articulated the view that the hierarchy needs to get with the times over the last week.
There was a level of vitriol from Duff, that echoed a lot of the 'grab all association' guff on social media, and that really got peoples backs up.
The fact that he's affiliated with Shamrock Rovers, whose fan base seem to be virulently anti-GAA, doesn't help with the perception that this was an opportunity to stick the knife in, safe in the knowledge that popular opinion would be behind him.
It's not hypocritical to take issue with that while agreeing that the game should be in PUC and acknowledging that HQ have dropped the ball AGAIN.
Any idea why that might be?
Yeah, the Thomas Davis affair.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
Yeah, the Thomas Davis affair.
So its ok to pop at them 10 years later, but its an outrage when they do the same?
"Free Stadium or nowhere"
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/comment-the-backlash-to-damien-duffs-backlash-over-pirc-u-chaoimh-controversy-has-been-fierce-37153374.html
What a twerp he is.
Epitomises the soccer (&rugby for that matter) crowd for me....seething with an underlying resentment at the GAA.
Ordinarily they can keep their mouth shut about what they really feel most of the time but when they think they have the opportune moment it all comes blurting out.
Numerous incidents from various people who loathe the GAA letting their mouths getting the better of them. seems to stem in a large part from Dublin.
Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
Incompetent thinking, breathtaking in it's arrogance.
This thread is having the unintended consequence of proving that some of the horrible stereotypes about the GAA are very much alive in some of the vocal minority trying to find a hundred whataboutisms to absolve the GAA of terrible behaviour around a fûcking charity match. If you are so myopic you have to pin your hatred of other sports on your chest, have the good sense not to die on this particular cross.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 10:47:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2018, 06:58:27 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2018, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 25, 2018, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 25, 2018, 10:40:04 AM
I don't think Melbourne or Sydney are relevant to the GAA. Sport in Ireland has been politicised for over 100 years and relations between the GAA and soccer/rugby have always had a bit of needle even after Croke Park was open to soccer and rugby. You can see it now on twitter.
Irish soccer has always had a parasitical side. Feeding off England. Never developing its infrastructure. Also very short sighted. Selling Glenmalure park.
And extremely complacent.
It's always soccer asking.
The 3 organisations are like siblings.The GAA is the oldest and has always paid his way. The IRFU married a foreigner and has concussion . The FAI is the youngest, was always spoilt, and never paid for anything. She thinks the GAA should provide for her.
It's a lot easier to "pay your way" when you've never had to pay your players.
Association football in 26 county Ireland has never developed a strong domestic game because i) it had and has English football on its doorstep and ii) the whole official culture of the Irish Free State was against it, including the GAA's ban. Before 1922, the game was controlled from Belfast.
The League of Ireland is like a corner shop trying to survive with a Tesco superstore 50 yards down the road from it.
If anything, English football has acted as a parasite on Irish football, taking all its best players and the vast majority of Irish public interest in the game.
A lot of your points relate to structural issues within soccer. Most small countries say population less than 15m struggle with their domestic leagues because the best players are hoovered up to play with Bayern, Juve, Real or whoever. Soccer is a money game and money controls what happens. Even the Dutch League has problems. Reginal teams do not have the money to buy the players that might make make their games interesting. The top 10 European clubs spent an average of Euro 250m on transfers last season. the top Swiss team spent EUR 7m . The 5th wealthiest Swiss team spent EUR 1m. And Swiss soccer is relatively well managed.
A lot of soccer players are overpaid as well.
Maybe it would be better to put the money into infrastructure.
The corner shop could be expanded and start offering organic products that Tesco don't sell.
Management in the FAI has been substandard for a number of decades.
There aren't many association football players in Ireland who are overpaid. Some aren't even paid at all. Look at Bray Wanderers.
As I said, when you don't have to pay players, and have a lot bigger attendances, as is the case in the GAA, it's a lot easier to invest in infrastructure.
Even the modest improvements which have taken place in Irish association football in recent times in that regard, such as the new Lansdowne Road, Turner's Cross, Tallaght and Terryland Park, have been fraught with difficulty.
Irish soccer is not like GAA. It's part of a bigger system where the players are all overpriced. So the cost of getting in the sort of players that might make the game more attractive is out of reach. This is a huge problem all over Europe. Punters prefer to watch the galacticos on TV rather than go to their local stadium to watch slower, less talented players who can't hack it anywhere else.
The best players leave.
In GAA they don't.
The GAA gets bigger crowds.
Soccer doesn't care about Ireland either.
Indeed, the GAA gets bigger crowds because they are watching the highest level of GAA. In Ireland, when you watch association football, you are watching a standard that is far below the best, and unsurprisingly the public don't turn out in their droves for this.
None of this is the FAIs's fault. It's because Ireland is a small peripheral country whose best players have always left it, meaning the club game here could never get off the ground in a major way. It's just the way it is.
But it's therefore futile to ask why association football doesn't have good infrastructure. The game in this country is down on its uppers because it is small fry in a wider European context, and because Ireland is almost unique in Europe, certainly among small countries, in having two other major field sport organisations competing against association football. Norway, Croatia, Denmark and the likes do not have GAA or rugby.
Sid, I don't think the global state of soccer is the.GAA's fault. Switzerland is wealthy, doesn't have hurling or rugby and has a semi professional league. There are lovely stadia.The Swiss are good administrators. In the last 10 years Servette and Neuchatel Xamax both went bankrupt and had to do a Rangers. FC Sion had 10 or 15 points dropped for something the chairman did. That is 3 teams out of the 10 in the first division. St Gallen are first division. They might get 3000 for home games.
Mayo footballers get a lot more for league matches.
Basel play in that league. They developed Mo Salah. They try to make things work for them and they have a big money bags sponsor. Most of the other teams don't.
Even if there was no gah in Oireland , even if the FAI was world class, soccer would struggle.
2 of the biggest issues are the quality drain and competition with TV.
The GAA has its own problems but one of its strengths is the focus on the local. Brian Fenton is never compared negatively with someone who plays for Madrid. Because he is the standard.
Quote from: Syferus on July 26, 2018, 12:58:25 AM
This thread is having the unintended consequence of proving that some of the horrible stereotypes about the GAA are very much in some of the vocal minority trying to find a hundred whatabputisms to absolve the GAA of terrible behaviour around a fûcking charity match. If you are so myopic you have to pin your hatred of other sports on your chest, have the good sense not to die on this particular cross.
If it was a charity match for Paddy Jackson how would feel? Would it matter?
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 08:08:06 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 26, 2018, 12:58:25 AM
This thread is having the unintended consequence of proving that some of the horrible stereotypes about the GAA are very much in some of the vocal minority trying to find a hundred whatabputisms to absolve the GAA of terrible behaviour around a fûcking charity match. If you are so myopic you have to pin your hatred of other sports on your chest, have the good sense not to die on this particular cross.
If it was a charity match for Paddy Jackson how would feel? Would it matter?
What has this to with Paddy Jackson??
You're being so small minded and petty in relation to opening PuC you could parachute out of a snake's arse.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 11:43:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
Yeah, the Thomas Davis affair.
So its ok to pop at them 10 years later, but its an outrage when they do the same?
I don't follow you.
Quote from: stephenite on July 26, 2018, 12:20:43 AM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
Incompetent thinking, breathtaking in it's arrogance.
Just because you say something it doesn't mean it is the case. Make your argument against what I've said. Don't resort to playground insults of the person like Damian Duff for example.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 09:45:59 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 11:43:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
Yeah, the Thomas Davis affair.
So its ok to pop at them 10 years later, but its an outrage when they do the same?
I don't follow you.
You are rehashing the argumebts of 10 years ago online and then giving out about Rovers fans doing the same. The penny will drop in time.
As predicted, politicians now threatening future funding.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaa-warned-about-state-funding-after-liam-miller-match-fiasco-37155963.html
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:19:55 AM
As predicted, politicians now threatening future funding.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaa-warned-about-state-funding-after-liam-miller-match-fiasco-37155963.html
Shane Ross, who gave millions to a private college in Dublin. He should be careful taking on the GAA on this issue.
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:19:55 AM
As predicted, politicians now threatening future funding.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaa-warned-about-state-funding-after-liam-miller-match-fiasco-37155963.html
Shane Ross, who gave millions to a private college in Dublin. He should be careful taking on the GAA on this issue.
And anyone can use the pitch in Wesley.
This was my point. The GAA mismanaged this so badly the minister is openly saber rattling, and it wont cost him a vote.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:30:45 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:19:55 AM
As predicted, politicians now threatening future funding.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaa-warned-about-state-funding-after-liam-miller-match-fiasco-37155963.html
Shane Ross, who gave millions to a private college in Dublin. He should be careful taking on the GAA on this issue.
And anyone can use the pitch in Wesley.
This was my point. The GAA mismanaged this so badly the minister is openly saber rattling, and it wont cost him a vote.
Really? Free of charge?
Quote from: TheClubman on July 26, 2018, 09:57:46 AM
Quote from: stephenite on July 26, 2018, 12:20:43 AM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
Incompetent thinking, breathtaking in it's arrogance.
Just because you say something it doesn't mean it is the case. Make your argument against what I've said. Don't resort to playground insults of the person like Damian Duff for example.
Happily;
You state rules are rules, and tried to equate this issue to body politic of Ireland (which in and of itself demonstrates a narrow and incompetent mindset)
The rule states that use of GAA grounds must adhere to the aims of the organisation. In this instance the event does not conflict with the aims of the GAA, but it's a charity event?
You've seen or heard no motion to further relax the rules since Rule 42? Check out the motions proposed by Milltown Malbay that have been defeated twice since.
This is not about rules of the GAA, there have been two massive own goals this year that have done more to hinder the aims of the organisation and have been completely self inflicted.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:11:30 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 09:45:59 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 11:43:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
Yeah, the Thomas Davis affair.
So its ok to pop at them 10 years later, but its an outrage when they do the same?
I don't follow you.
You are rehashing the argumebts of 10 years ago online and then giving out about Rovers fans doing the same. The penny will drop in time.
I still don't follow you.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 10:42:12 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:11:30 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 09:45:59 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2018, 11:43:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
Yeah, the Thomas Davis affair.
So its ok to pop at them 10 years later, but its an outrage when they do the same?
I don't follow you.
You are rehashing the argumebts of 10 years ago online and then giving out about Rovers fans doing the same. The penny will drop in time.
I still don't follow you.
Deliberately so i think.
You are mirror images of each other.
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:30:45 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:19:55 AM
As predicted, politicians now threatening future funding.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaa-warned-about-state-funding-after-liam-miller-match-fiasco-37155963.html
Shane Ross, who gave millions to a private college in Dublin. He should be careful taking on the GAA on this issue.
And anyone can use the pitch in Wesley.
This was my point. The GAA mismanaged this so badly the minister is openly saber rattling, and it wont cost him a vote.
Really? Free of charge?
Of course not. What sports facility anywhere is free rental?
Wesley was a mess, but at least the broader community can use it. This is not the case for GAA facilities, qs we have seen this week. We now have the Minister and Minister for State openly threatening the current funding model and they will have support from within the GAA. Thats how badly this has been handled.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:46:45 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:30:45 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:19:55 AM
As predicted, politicians now threatening future funding.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaa-warned-about-state-funding-after-liam-miller-match-fiasco-37155963.html
Shane Ross, who gave millions to a private college in Dublin. He should be careful taking on the GAA on this issue.
And anyone can use the pitch in Wesley.
This was my point. The GAA mismanaged this so badly the minister is openly saber rattling, and it wont cost him a vote.
Really? Free of charge?
Of course not. What sports facility anywhere is free rental?
Wesley was a mess, but at least the broader community can use it. This is not the case for GAA facilities, qs we have seen this week. We now have the Minister and Minister for State openly threatening the current funding model and they will have support from within the GAA. Thats how badly this has been handled.
Don't get carried away with yourself. Most GAA people would be fine with Liam Miller event taking place in PUC.
It will be a different story if Lord Ross and his merry men trying to twist their arm on funding and access.
These 'community' arrangements are hardly going to be very reciprocal, since soccer and rugby playing fields are of little use for gaelic games.
That won't work. The ground is still controlled by the GAA. If they don't want to rent it to some crowd they can still refuse. Lifting the rule is one thing, letting any amount of other games in is an entirely different issue.
As with Wesley if I wanted to run a fundraising match for Paddy Jackson they can still refuse to let me rent the pitch.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:46:45 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:30:45 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:19:55 AM
As predicted, politicians now threatening future funding.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaa-warned-about-state-funding-after-liam-miller-match-fiasco-37155963.html
Shane Ross, who gave millions to a private college in Dublin. He should be careful taking on the GAA on this issue.
And anyone can use the pitch in Wesley.
This was my point. The GAA mismanaged this so badly the minister is openly saber rattling, and it wont cost him a vote.
Really? Free of charge?
Of course not. What sports facility anywhere is free rental?
Wesley was a mess, but at least the broader community can use it. This is not the case for GAA facilities, qs we have seen this week. We now have the Minister and Minister for State openly threatening the current funding model and they will have support from within the GAA. Thats how badly this has been handled.
Full of fool nonsense.
Why would anyone come on a GAA board to do nothing but criticize the GAA and claim to be a GAA person when you are so obviously not.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:43:13 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 10:42:12 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:11:30 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 09:45:59 AM
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
Yeah, the Thomas Davis affair.
So its ok to pop at them 10 years later, but its an outrage when they do the same?
I don't follow you.
You are rehashing the argumebts of 10 years ago online and then giving out about Rovers fans doing the same. The penny will drop in time.
I still don't follow you.
Deliberately so i think.
You are mirror images of each other.
Point out to me where I rehashed the arguments of 10 years ago.
I'm always suspicious of the one agenda posters.
Picking on this one small issue to bash the GAA and overlooking everything else the GAA does. He's definitely not a GAA person.
Meanwhile I read that Louth Co Council are to develop a soccer complex to include a new "home" for the Drogheda professional club.
A great day for Louth "football" says John Delaney.
Wonder will there be any full sized GAA pitch included?
How many Social houses could be built for the cost of this soccer handout?
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
That won't work. The ground is still controlled by the GAA. If they don't want to rent it to some crowd they can still refuse. Lifting the rule is one thing, letting any amount of other games in is an entirely different issue.
As with Wesley if I wanted to run a fundraising match for Paddy Jackson they can still refuse to let me rent the pitch.
Why do you keep trying to compare the Liam Miller charity match with Paddy Jackson?
Of course any organisation/individual has the right to say no to anyone who wants to use their property. The issue here is why would you say no to game were the proceeds will go to a widow, children and a hospice?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2018, 11:36:25 AM
Meanwhile I read that Louth Co Council are to develop a soccer complex to include a new "home" for the Drogheda professional club.
A great day for Louth "football" says John Delaney.
Wonder will there be any full sized GAA pitch included?
How many Social houses could be built for the cost of this soccer handout?
How many could you build with €30m?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2018, 11:09:11 AM
I'm always suspicious of the one agenda posters.
..like yourself?
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 11:44:06 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2018, 11:36:25 AM
Meanwhile I read that Louth Co Council are to develop a soccer complex to include a new "home" for the Drogheda professional club.
A great day for Louth "football" says John Delaney.
Wonder will there be any full sized GAA pitch included?
How many Social houses could be built for the cost of this soccer handout?
How many could you build with €30m?
Not as many as the €190m that Lansdowne Road received
Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2018, 11:36:25 AM
Meanwhile I read that Louth Co Council are to develop a soccer complex to include a new "home" for the Drogheda professional club.
A great day for Louth "football" says John Delaney.
Wonder will there be any full sized GAA pitch included?
How many Social houses could be built for the cost of this soccer handout?
10k capacity. That'll be full every other week so..
Quote from: clonadmad on July 26, 2018, 12:37:13 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 11:44:06 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2018, 11:36:25 AM
Meanwhile I read that Louth Co Council are to develop a soccer complex to include a new "home" for the Drogheda professional club.
A great day for Louth "football" says John Delaney.
Wonder will there be any full sized GAA pitch included?
How many Social houses could be built for the cost of this soccer handout?
How many could you build with €30m?
Not as many as the €190m that Lansdowne Road received
Who 'owns' Lansdowne Road?
IRFU.
As far as I know its leased to a "Company" of FAI/IRFU/Dept of Sport until debts are cleared.
Then IRFU have total ownership again.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2018, 01:20:57 PM
IRFU.
As far as I know its leased to a "Company" of FAI/IRFU/Dept of Sport until debts are cleared.
Then IRFU have total ownership again.
As i understand it, IRFU own the land, FAI and IRFU co own the building.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 26, 2018, 11:04:03 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:46:45 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:30:45 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 10:19:55 AM
As predicted, politicians now threatening future funding.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaa-warned-about-state-funding-after-liam-miller-match-fiasco-37155963.html
Shane Ross, who gave millions to a private college in Dublin. He should be careful taking on the GAA on this issue.
And anyone can use the pitch in Wesley.
This was my point. The GAA mismanaged this so badly the minister is openly saber rattling, and it wont cost him a vote.
Really? Free of charge?
Of course not. What sports facility anywhere is free rental?
Wesley was a mess, but at least the broader community can use it. This is not the case for GAA facilities, qs we have seen this week. We now have the Minister and Minister for State openly threatening the current funding model and they will have support from within the GAA. Thats how badly this has been handled.
Full of fool nonsense.
Why would anyone come on a GAA board to do nothing but criticize the GAA and claim to be a GAA person when you are so obviously not.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
This board is 98% dissent ffs.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
That won't work. The ground is still controlled by the GAA. If they don't want to rent it to some crowd they can still refuse. Lifting the rule is one thing, letting any amount of other games in is an entirely different issue.
As with Wesley if I wanted to run a fundraising match for Paddy Jackson they can still refuse to let me rent the pitch.
Why do you keep trying to compare the Liam Miller charity match with Paddy Jackson?
Of course any organisation/individual has the right to say no to anyone who wants to use their property. The issue here is why would you say no to game were the proceeds will go to a widow, children and a hospice?
It's an extreme example. But I have to say the fact that it is essentially a gather up for a man's family (who earned over £10m in his career) does stick in my throat a little bit. Granted, it's not popular to say that.
Furthermore the way some Soccer people have attacked the GAA and called them 'f**king dinosaurs' for example also got my back up.
I am broadly in favour of GAA pitches being opened up for other uses. I just feel some people who don't have the best interests in the GAA at heart have latched onto this issue. I am sure Liam nor his family would want that.
If you build it the FAI will come.
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
That won't work. The ground is still controlled by the GAA. If they don't want to rent it to some crowd they can still refuse. Lifting the rule is one thing, letting any amount of other games in is an entirely different issue.
As with Wesley if I wanted to run a fundraising match for Paddy Jackson they can still refuse to let me rent the pitch.
Why do you keep trying to compare the Liam Miller charity match with Paddy Jackson?
Of course any organisation/individual has the right to say no to anyone who wants to use their property. The issue here is why would you say no to game were the proceeds will go to a widow, children and a hospice?
It's an extreme example. But I have to say the fact that it is essentially a gather up for a man's family (who earned over £10m in his career) does stick in my throat a little bit. Granted, it's not popular to say that.
Furthermore the way some Soccer people have attacked the GAA and called them 'f**king dinosaurs' for example also got my back up.
I am broadly in favour of GAA pitches being opened up for other uses. I just feel some people who don't have the best interests in the GAA at heart have latched onto this issue. I am sure Liam nor his family would want that.
So because he earned money the hospice he died in isn't worthy of funds?
Thats not popular because its borderline sociopathic
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
That won't work. The ground is still controlled by the GAA. If they don't want to rent it to some crowd they can still refuse. Lifting the rule is one thing, letting any amount of other games in is an entirely different issue.
As with Wesley if I wanted to run a fundraising match for Paddy Jackson they can still refuse to let me rent the pitch.
Why do you keep trying to compare the Liam Miller charity match with Paddy Jackson?
Of course any organisation/individual has the right to say no to anyone who wants to use their property. The issue here is why would you say no to game were the proceeds will go to a widow, children and a hospice?
It's an extreme example. But I have to say the fact that it is essentially a gather up for a man's family (who earned over £10m in his career) does stick in my throat a little bit. Granted, it's not popular to say that.
Furthermore the way some Soccer people have attacked the GAA and called them 'f**king dinosaurs' for example also got my back up.
I am broadly in favour of GAA pitches being opened up for other uses. I just feel some people who don't have the best interests in the GAA at heart have latched onto this issue. I am sure Liam nor his family would want that.
So because he earned money the hospice he died in isn't worthy of funds?
Thats not popular because its borderline sociopathic
Why not just raise money for the Hospice? Look, I really don't care, but the organisers have thrown everything out into the open with their actions around PUC and then enrolling high profile soccer players to do their dirty work in the media.
The guy had a very good career and reportedly earned £10m. It's a genuine question. But if you ask it you're just a heartless soul, or a sociopath.
I see it as a gather up for the family with a charity tagged on to give it a bit of cover.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
That won't work. The ground is still controlled by the GAA. If they don't want to rent it to some crowd they can still refuse. Lifting the rule is one thing, letting any amount of other games in is an entirely different issue.
As with Wesley if I wanted to run a fundraising match for Paddy Jackson they can still refuse to let me rent the pitch.
Why do you keep trying to compare the Liam Miller charity match with Paddy Jackson?
Of course any organisation/individual has the right to say no to anyone who wants to use their property. The issue here is why would you say no to game were the proceeds will go to a widow, children and a hospice?
It's an extreme example. But I have to say the fact that it is essentially a gather up for a man's family (who earned over £10m in his career) does stick in my throat a little bit. Granted, it's not popular to say that.
Furthermore the way some Soccer people have attacked the GAA and called them 'f**king dinosaurs' for example also got my back up.
I am broadly in favour of GAA pitches being opened up for other uses. I just feel some people who don't have the best interests in the GAA at heart have latched onto this issue. I am sure Liam nor his family would want that.
So because he earned money the hospice he died in isn't worthy of funds?
Thats not popular because its borderline sociopathic
How do you have such a social conscience with regard to this fundraiser and then accuse a poster here of having special needs?
Quote from: spuds on July 26, 2018, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
That won't work. The ground is still controlled by the GAA. If they don't want to rent it to some crowd they can still refuse. Lifting the rule is one thing, letting any amount of other games in is an entirely different issue.
As with Wesley if I wanted to run a fundraising match for Paddy Jackson they can still refuse to let me rent the pitch.
Why do you keep trying to compare the Liam Miller charity match with Paddy Jackson?
Of course any organisation/individual has the right to say no to anyone who wants to use their property. The issue here is why would you say no to game were the proceeds will go to a widow, children and a hospice?
It's an extreme example. But I have to say the fact that it is essentially a gather up for a man's family (who earned over £10m in his career) does stick in my throat a little bit. Granted, it's not popular to say that.
Furthermore the way some Soccer people have attacked the GAA and called them 'f**king dinosaurs' for example also got my back up.
I am broadly in favour of GAA pitches being opened up for other uses. I just feel some people who don't have the best interests in the GAA at heart have latched onto this issue. I am sure Liam nor his family would want that.
So because he earned money the hospice he died in isn't worthy of funds?
Thats not popular because its borderline sociopathic
How do you have such a social conscience with regard to this fundraiser and then accuse a poster here of having special needs?
Whataboutry at its finest. You should be pulling up the other poster.
Quote from: Syferus on July 26, 2018, 03:01:05 PM
Quote from: spuds on July 26, 2018, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
That won't work. The ground is still controlled by the GAA. If they don't want to rent it to some crowd they can still refuse. Lifting the rule is one thing, letting any amount of other games in is an entirely different issue.
As with Wesley if I wanted to run a fundraising match for Paddy Jackson they can still refuse to let me rent the pitch.
Why do you keep trying to compare the Liam Miller charity match with Paddy Jackson?
Of course any organisation/individual has the right to say no to anyone who wants to use their property. The issue here is why would you say no to game were the proceeds will go to a widow, children and a hospice?
It's an extreme example. But I have to say the fact that it is essentially a gather up for a man's family (who earned over £10m in his career) does stick in my throat a little bit. Granted, it's not popular to say that.
Furthermore the way some Soccer people have attacked the GAA and called them 'f**king dinosaurs' for example also got my back up.
I am broadly in favour of GAA pitches being opened up for other uses. I just feel some people who don't have the best interests in the GAA at heart have latched onto this issue. I am sure Liam nor his family would want that.
So because he earned money the hospice he died in isn't worthy of funds?
Thats not popular because its borderline sociopathic
How do you have such a social conscience with regard to this fundraiser and then accuse a poster here of having special needs?
Whataboutry at its finest. You should be pulling up the other poster.
Do you believe it is fine to say another poster has special needs?
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
That won't work. The ground is still controlled by the GAA. If they don't want to rent it to some crowd they can still refuse. Lifting the rule is one thing, letting any amount of other games in is an entirely different issue.
As with Wesley if I wanted to run a fundraising match for Paddy Jackson they can still refuse to let me rent the pitch.
Why do you keep trying to compare the Liam Miller charity match with Paddy Jackson?
Of course any organisation/individual has the right to say no to anyone who wants to use their property. The issue here is why would you say no to game were the proceeds will go to a widow, children and a hospice?
It's an extreme example. But I have to say the fact that it is essentially a gather up for a man's family (who earned over £10m in his career) does stick in my throat a little bit. Granted, it's not popular to say that.
Furthermore the way some Soccer people have attacked the GAA and called them 'f**king dinosaurs' for example also got my back up.
I am broadly in favour of GAA pitches being opened up for other uses. I just feel some people who don't have the best interests in the GAA at heart have latched onto this issue. I am sure Liam nor his family would want that.
So because he earned money the hospice he died in isn't worthy of funds?
Thats not popular because its borderline sociopathic
Why not just raise money for the Hospice? Look, I really don't care, but the organisers have thrown everything out into the open with their actions around PUC and then enrolling high profile soccer players to do their dirty work in the media.
The guy had a very good career and reportedly earned £10m. It's a genuine question. But if you ask it you're just a heartless soul, or a sociopath.
I see it as a gather up for the family with a charity tagged on to give it a bit of cover.
The family apparently spent quite alot of money on medical treatment and it's not like they are keeping all of it. People are capable of thinking for themselves (even footballers). Damien Duff would have played alongside Liam Miller and known him so for you to think he was in some way encouraged to bad mouth the GAA as part of some sinister campaign it says more about the way you think than it does about him.
Quote from: spuds on July 26, 2018, 03:05:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 26, 2018, 03:01:05 PM
Quote from: spuds on July 26, 2018, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
That won't work. The ground is still controlled by the GAA. If they don't want to rent it to some crowd they can still refuse. Lifting the rule is one thing, letting any amount of other games in is an entirely different issue.
As with Wesley if I wanted to run a fundraising match for Paddy Jackson they can still refuse to let me rent the pitch.
Why do you keep trying to compare the Liam Miller charity match with Paddy Jackson?
Of course any organisation/individual has the right to say no to anyone who wants to use their property. The issue here is why would you say no to game were the proceeds will go to a widow, children and a hospice?
It's an extreme example. But I have to say the fact that it is essentially a gather up for a man's family (who earned over £10m in his career) does stick in my throat a little bit. Granted, it's not popular to say that.
Furthermore the way some Soccer people have attacked the GAA and called them 'f**king dinosaurs' for example also got my back up.
I am broadly in favour of GAA pitches being opened up for other uses. I just feel some people who don't have the best interests in the GAA at heart have latched onto this issue. I am sure Liam nor his family would want that.
So because he earned money the hospice he died in isn't worthy of funds?
Thats not popular because its borderline sociopathic
How do you have such a social conscience with regard to this fundraiser and then accuse a poster here of having special needs?
Whataboutry at its finest. You should be pulling up the other poster.
Do you believe it is fine to say another poster has special needs?
I asked had he, i didn't say he had.
He was talking garbage, i pulled him on it. If its too strong, noted. But you don't seem to take issue with the brutality of some opinions, just the reaction.
Quote from: spuds on July 26, 2018, 03:05:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 26, 2018, 03:01:05 PM
Quote from: spuds on July 26, 2018, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
That won't work. The ground is still controlled by the GAA. If they don't want to rent it to some crowd they can still refuse. Lifting the rule is one thing, letting any amount of other games in is an entirely different issue.
As with Wesley if I wanted to run a fundraising match for Paddy Jackson they can still refuse to let me rent the pitch.
Why do you keep trying to compare the Liam Miller charity match with Paddy Jackson?
Of course any organisation/individual has the right to say no to anyone who wants to use their property. The issue here is why would you say no to game were the proceeds will go to a widow, children and a hospice?
It's an extreme example. But I have to say the fact that it is essentially a gather up for a man's family (who earned over £10m in his career) does stick in my throat a little bit. Granted, it's not popular to say that.
Furthermore the way some Soccer people have attacked the GAA and called them 'f**king dinosaurs' for example also got my back up.
I am broadly in favour of GAA pitches being opened up for other uses. I just feel some people who don't have the best interests in the GAA at heart have latched onto this issue. I am sure Liam nor his family would want that.
So because he earned money the hospice he died in isn't worthy of funds?
Thats not popular because its borderline sociopathic
How do you have such a social conscience with regard to this fundraiser and then accuse a poster here of having special needs?
Whataboutry at its finest. You should be pulling up the other poster.
Do you believe it is fine to say another poster has special needs?
Of course I fûcking don't. But this is like focusing on a single ant while your house is infested with rats.
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
That won't work. The ground is still controlled by the GAA. If they don't want to rent it to some crowd they can still refuse. Lifting the rule is one thing, letting any amount of other games in is an entirely different issue.
As with Wesley if I wanted to run a fundraising match for Paddy Jackson they can still refuse to let me rent the pitch.
Why do you keep trying to compare the Liam Miller charity match with Paddy Jackson?
Of course any organisation/individual has the right to say no to anyone who wants to use their property. The issue here is why would you say no to game were the proceeds will go to a widow, children and a hospice?
It's an extreme example. But I have to say the fact that it is essentially a gather up for a man's family (who earned over £10m in his career) does stick in my throat a little bit. Granted, it's not popular to say that.
Furthermore the way some Soccer people have attacked the GAA and called them 'f**king dinosaurs' for example also got my back up.
I am broadly in favour of GAA pitches being opened up for other uses. I just feel some people who don't have the best interests in the GAA at heart have latched onto this issue. I am sure Liam nor his family would want that.
So because he earned money the hospice he died in isn't worthy of funds?
Thats not popular because its borderline sociopathic
Why not just raise money for the Hospice? Look, I really don't care, but the organisers have thrown everything out into the open with their actions around PUC and then enrolling high profile soccer players to do their dirty work in the media.
The guy had a very good career and reportedly earned £10m. It's a genuine question. But if you ask it you're just a heartless soul, or a sociopath.
I see it as a gather up for the family with a charity tagged on to give it a bit of cover.
This story started with and was propigated by GAA folk. Duff offered his opinion as a participant.
To suggest this is some sort of scam is disgraceful. Talk about working backwards from your position.
There has been a pronounced shift in the general tone of the conversation since Duff's comments.
The longer it goes on the more it will be reduced to 'gaelic people' (as he calls us) vs. 'soccer people'.
I don't think his comments will influence the ultimate decision but maybe HQ aren't the only people mixed up in this affair that could do with some PR lessons.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 03:54:33 PM
There has been a pronounced shift in the general tone of the conversation since Duff's comments.
The longer it goes on the more it will be reduced to 'gaelic people' (as he calls us) vs. 'soccer people'.
I don't think his comments will influence the ultimate decision but maybe HQ aren't the only people mixed up in this affair that could do with some PR lessons.
True, but Duffer is speaking for himself. He isnt a vastly paid PR manager.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 03:54:33 PM
There has been a pronounced shift in the general tone of the conversation since Duff's comments.
The longer it goes on the more it will be reduced to 'gaelic people' (as he calls us) vs. 'soccer people'.
I don't think his comments will influence the ultimate decision but maybe HQ aren't the only people mixed up in this affair that could do with some PR lessons.
Duff's comments are totally in keeping with his no-nonsense public persona you see on other topics. When the GAA have pull its pants down and laid down in front of the public it's hard to blame him for giving it a kick up the arse.
Why is this debacle still on-going a week later? Every hour that passes hurts the GAA even more.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 03:53:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
That won't work. The ground is still controlled by the GAA. If they don't want to rent it to some crowd they can still refuse. Lifting the rule is one thing, letting any amount of other games in is an entirely different issue.
As with Wesley if I wanted to run a fundraising match for Paddy Jackson they can still refuse to let me rent the pitch.
Why do you keep trying to compare the Liam Miller charity match with Paddy Jackson?
Of course any organisation/individual has the right to say no to anyone who wants to use their property. The issue here is why would you say no to game were the proceeds will go to a widow, children and a hospice?
It's an extreme example. But I have to say the fact that it is essentially a gather up for a man's family (who earned over £10m in his career) does stick in my throat a little bit. Granted, it's not popular to say that.
Furthermore the way some Soccer people have attacked the GAA and called them 'f**king dinosaurs' for example also got my back up.
I am broadly in favour of GAA pitches being opened up for other uses. I just feel some people who don't have the best interests in the GAA at heart have latched onto this issue. I am sure Liam nor his family would want that.
So because he earned money the hospice he died in isn't worthy of funds?
Thats not popular because its borderline sociopathic
Why not just raise money for the Hospice? Look, I really don't care, but the organisers have thrown everything out into the open with their actions around PUC and then enrolling high profile soccer players to do their dirty work in the media.
The guy had a very good career and reportedly earned £10m. It's a genuine question. But if you ask it you're just a heartless soul, or a sociopath.
I see it as a gather up for the family with a charity tagged on to give it a bit of cover.
This story started with and was propigated by GAA folk. Duff offered his opinion as a participant.
To suggest this is some sort of scam is disgraceful. Talk about working backwards from your position.
Disgraceful? Holy over-reaction Batman! Catch a grip. Do you expect us to believe Duff (who never has an opinion on anything else) just weighed in off his own back? I think it's just a little coincidental.
The story didn't start with GAA folk.
You never addressed that this is essentially a gather up for a Millionaire's family.
If you want to discuss issues around GAA facilities and bash the GAA, then lets discuss everything around this charity match.
Has he a no-nonsense public persona, Syf?
I've never been that aware of him making public statements about anything until now.
I'd be curious to read some of his stuff if you've any links.
Given the ineptitude of the FAI and the disastrous state of the domestic league in this country, I'm guessing he has given John Delaney and the higher echelons of the FAI both barrels at some stage.
Duff was the highest profile person that they could wheel out. I might be wrong, but I feel it's all a little orchestrated. Including our friend from Balbriggan. paul kimmage
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 04:02:24 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 03:53:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
That won't work. The ground is still controlled by the GAA. If they don't want to rent it to some crowd they can still refuse. Lifting the rule is one thing, letting any amount of other games in is an entirely different issue.
As with Wesley if I wanted to run a fundraising match for Paddy Jackson they can still refuse to let me rent the pitch.
Why do you keep trying to compare the Liam Miller charity match with Paddy Jackson?
Of course any organisation/individual has the right to say no to anyone who wants to use their property. The issue here is why would you say no to game were the proceeds will go to a widow, children and a hospice?
It's an extreme example. But I have to say the fact that it is essentially a gather up for a man's family (who earned over £10m in his career) does stick in my throat a little bit. Granted, it's not popular to say that.
Furthermore the way some Soccer people have attacked the GAA and called them 'f**king dinosaurs' for example also got my back up.
I am broadly in favour of GAA pitches being opened up for other uses. I just feel some people who don't have the best interests in the GAA at heart have latched onto this issue. I am sure Liam nor his family would want that.
So because he earned money the hospice he died in isn't worthy of funds?
Thats not popular because its borderline sociopathic
Why not just raise money for the Hospice? Look, I really don't care, but the organisers have thrown everything out into the open with their actions around PUC and then enrolling high profile soccer players to do their dirty work in the media.
The guy had a very good career and reportedly earned £10m. It's a genuine question. But if you ask it you're just a heartless soul, or a sociopath.
I see it as a gather up for the family with a charity tagged on to give it a bit of cover.
This story started with and was propigated by GAA folk. Duff offered his opinion as a participant.
To suggest this is some sort of scam is disgraceful. Talk about working backwards from your position.
Disgraceful? Holy over-reaction Batman! Catch a grip. Do you expect us to believe Duff (who never has an opinion on anything else) just weighed in off his own back? I think it's just a little coincidental.
The story didn't start with GAA folk.
You never addressed that this is essentially a gather up for a Millionaire's family.
If you want to discuss issues around GAA facilities and bash the GAA, then lets discuss everything around this charity match.
Duff is a pundit ffs, his income is from opinion giving.
The stort started when the mayor of cork, a gaa man, was asked a question about had they asked about puc. He confirmed that was plan a, but they were turned down. The organisers didnt leak this out of badness.
I understand that a huge chunk of his estate went on medical bills. There is a nasty streak here, its a less worthy cause hecause he had a decent soccer career
You arent discussing, you are asking leading questions that infer malfesence.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 04:05:51 PM
Has he a no-nonsense public persona, Syf?
I've never been that aware of him making public statements about anything until now.
I'd be curious to read some of his stuff if you've any links.
Given the ineptitude of the FAI and the disastrous state of the domestic league in this country, I'm guessing he has given John Delaney and the higher echelons of the FAI both barrels at some stage.
He coaches, for free, the Irish u15s. I assume he has to be diplomatic to his employer.
Try google, he is regularly in the press
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
Duff was the highest profile person that they could wheel out. I might be wrong, but I feel it's all a little orchestrated. Including our friend from Balbriggan. paul kimmage
Are you seriously suggesting i am paul kimmage? For real like?
Personally, I don't care who you are.
Maybe mix it up a bit though by posting about actual games once in a while.
Just the odd one like.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 04:10:40 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 04:05:51 PM
Has he a no-nonsense public persona, Syf?
I've never been that aware of him making public statements about anything until now.
I'd be curious to read some of his stuff if you've any links.
Given the ineptitude of the FAI and the disastrous state of the domestic league in this country, I'm guessing he has given John Delaney and the higher echelons of the FAI both barrels at some stage.
He coaches, for free, the Irish u15s. I assume he has to be diplomatic to his employer.
Try google, he is regularly in the press
???
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 04:11:19 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
Duff was the highest profile person that they could wheel out. I might be wrong, but I feel it's all a little orchestrated. Including our friend from Balbriggan. paul kimmage
Are you seriously suggesting i am paul kimmage? For real like?
The more you look the more you see.
Anyway the GAA is looking at it. Lets see what they do. I trust the process. I would encourage you to do so too.
Quote from: Syferus on July 26, 2018, 03:52:52 PM
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
That won't work. The ground is still controlled by the GAA. If they don't want to rent it to some crowd they can still refuse. Lifting the rule is one thing, letting any amount of other games in is an entirely different issue.
As with Wesley if I wanted to run a fundraising match for Paddy Jackson they can still refuse to let me rent the pitch.
Why do you keep trying to compare the Liam Miller charity match with Paddy Jackson?
Of course any organisation/individual has the right to say no to anyone who wants to use their property. The issue here is why would you say no to game were the proceeds will go to a widow, children and a hospice?
It's an extreme example. But I have to say the fact that it is essentially a gather up for a man's family (who earned over £10m in his career) does stick in my throat a little bit. Granted, it's not popular to say that.
Furthermore the way some Soccer people have attacked the GAA and called them 'f**king dinosaurs' for example also got my back up.
I am broadly in favour of GAA pitches being opened up for other uses. I just feel some people who don't have the best interests in the GAA at heart have latched onto this issue. I am sure Liam nor his family would want that.
So because he earned money the hospice he died in isn't worthy of funds?
Thats not popular because its borderline sociopathic
How do you have such a social conscience with regard to this fundraiser and then accuse a poster here of having special needs?
Whataboutry at its finest. You should be pulling up the other poster.
Do you believe it is fine to say another poster has special needs?
Of course I fûcking don't. But this is like focusing on a single ant while your house is infested with rats.
d's
It calls the poster's integrity into question when he is called out by Jinxy (?) and he refuses to pull the specials needs slagging. It demeans further his opinions and untruths about capital grants etc.
I am on record earlier on this thread advocating for the game to be played in PuC.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 03:56:27 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 03:54:33 PM
There has been a pronounced shift in the general tone of the conversation since Duff's comments.
The longer it goes on the more it will be reduced to 'gaelic people' (as he calls us) vs. 'soccer people'.
I don't think his comments will influence the ultimate decision but maybe HQ aren't the only people mixed up in this affair that could do with some PR lessons.
True, but Duffer is speaking for himself. He isnt a vastly paid PR manager.
I think Duff's comments have done more harm than good. I know a lot of people in GAA some in high positions in club and county. They are on the road, home late, taking calls during the day, late at night, organising, sorting, arranging. Giving up their time. To be labelled 'Dinosaurs' by some indulged millionaire just pisses me right off.
In short, whether he was told to do it, or did it off his own accord, it hasn't helped.
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
Duff was the highest profile person that they could wheel out. I might be wrong, but I feel it's all a little orchestrated. Including our friend from Balbriggan. paul kimmage
Duff was doing a press launch for an autism charity he does work for and was asked by a journalist what did he think of the PuC situation. To say he was "wheeled out" as some sort of stooge is an insult to the organisers of the Liam Miller event and also Damien Duff.
The reason this has become such an issue is when Roy Keane was launching the game for Turners Cross one of the journalists asked why aren't you playing it in PuC. Organisers told them they asked Cork county board but were told they couldn't use the ground. It's the journalists and GAA's ability to keep shooting themselves in the foot that has turned this into such a story.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 04:40:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
Duff was the highest profile person that they could wheel out. I might be wrong, but I feel it's all a little orchestrated. Including our friend from Balbriggan. paul kimmage
Duff was doing a press launch for an autism charity he does work for and was asked by a journalist what did he think of the PuC situation. To say he was "wheeled out" as some sort of stooge is an insult to the organisers of the Liam Miller event and also Damien Duff.
The reason this has become such an issue is when Roy Keane was launching the game for Turners Cross one of the journalists asked why aren't you playing it in PuC. Organisers told them they asked Cork county board but were told they couldn't use the ground. It's the journalists and GAA's ability to keep shooting themselves in the foot that has turned this into such a story.
But, but, but...
Dont bring facts into it.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 04:40:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
Duff was the highest profile person that they could wheel out. I might be wrong, but I feel it's all a little orchestrated. Including our friend from Balbriggan. paul kimmage
Duff was doing a press launch for an autism charity he does work for and was asked by a journalist what did he think of the PuC situation. To say he was "wheeled out" as some sort of stooge is an insult to the organisers of the Liam Miller event and also Damien Duff.
The reason this has become such an issue is when Roy Keane was launching the game for Turners Cross one of the journalists asked why aren't you playing it in PuC. Organisers told them they asked Cork county board but were told they couldn't use the ground. It's the journalists and GAA's ability to keep shooting themselves in the foot that has turned this into such a story.
Also it's the summer which is the silly season for journalists. There aren't many other stories with people on holidays.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 04:40:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
Duff was the highest profile person that they could wheel out. I might be wrong, but I feel it's all a little orchestrated. Including our friend from Balbriggan. paul kimmage
Duff was doing a press launch for an autism charity he does work for and was asked by a journalist what did he think of the PuC situation. To say he was "wheeled out" as some sort of stooge is an insult to the organisers of the Liam Miller event and also Damien Duff.
The reason this has become such an issue is when Roy Keane was launching the game for Turners Cross one of the journalists asked why aren't you playing it in PuC. Organisers told them they asked Cork county board but were told they couldn't use the ground. It's the journalists and GAA's ability to keep shooting themselves in the foot that has turned this into such a story.
Well then he should have said I don't know much about it, which would reflect his knowledge on the issue better, rather than getting laid into a load of volunteers.
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 04:30:58 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 03:56:27 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 03:54:33 PM
There has been a pronounced shift in the general tone of the conversation since Duff's comments.
The longer it goes on the more it will be reduced to 'gaelic people' (as he calls us) vs. 'soccer people'.
I don't think his comments will influence the ultimate decision but maybe HQ aren't the only people mixed up in this affair that could do with some PR lessons.
True, but Duffer is speaking for himself. He isnt a vastly paid PR manager.
I think Duff's comments have done more harm than good. I know a lot of people in GAA some in high positions in club and county. They are on the road, home late, taking calls during the day, late at night, organising, sorting, arranging. Giving up their time. To be labelled 'Dinosaurs' by some indulged millionaire just pisses me right off.
In short, whether he was told to do it, or did it off his own accord, it hasn't helped.
Kildare co board after the newbridge fiasco fixed club games last weekend at the same time as their U20 team was playing in an All Ireland semi final. My dad knows the kildare co board chairman and he was giving out that Cian O'Neill was doing all the press/rte news about newbridge. He felt as chairman he should be the one doing all that.
Meath co board sent an e-mail to clubs that had dual players that player welfare is the clubs responsibility not the county board and fixtures will have to played. If they are worried about playing too many games, then don't pick the players for the team!!!
I'm sure some of the delegates who attend congress have been involved in GAA for 20/30 years, but I do believe they are out touch with today's players.
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 04:46:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 04:40:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
Duff was the highest profile person that they could wheel out. I might be wrong, but I feel it's all a little orchestrated. Including our friend from Balbriggan. paul kimmage
Duff was doing a press launch for an autism charity he does work for and was asked by a journalist what did he think of the PuC situation. To say he was "wheeled out" as some sort of stooge is an insult to the organisers of the Liam Miller event and also Damien Duff.
The reason this has become such an issue is when Roy Keane was launching the game for Turners Cross one of the journalists asked why aren't you playing it in PuC. Organisers told them they asked Cork county board but were told they couldn't use the ground. It's the journalists and GAA's ability to keep shooting themselves in the foot that has turned this into such a story.
Well then he should have said I don't know much about it, which would reflect his knowledge on the issue better, rather than getting laid into a load of volunteers.
As someone who knew and played with Liam Miller I think he has every right to have an opinion. It's amazing how you seem to think Damien duff is the bad guy in all this despite everything the GAA have done in relation to this to date.
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 04:46:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 04:40:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
Duff was the highest profile person that they could wheel out. I might be wrong, but I feel it's all a little orchestrated. Including our friend from Balbriggan. paul kimmage
Duff was doing a press launch for an autism charity he does work for and was asked by a journalist what did he think of the PuC situation. To say he was "wheeled out" as some sort of stooge is an insult to the organisers of the Liam Miller event and also Damien Duff.
The reason this has become such an issue is when Roy Keane was launching the game for Turners Cross one of the journalists asked why aren't you playing it in PuC. Organisers told them they asked Cork county board but were told they couldn't use the ground. It's the journalists and GAA's ability to keep shooting themselves in the foot that has turned this into such a story.
Well then he should have said I don't know much about it, which would reflect his knowledge on the issue better, rather than getting laid into a load of volunteers.
He knows enough to have an opinion, and is involved with the event.
Has he said anything that controversial? The top table in the GAA are disconnected from members.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 04:55:08 PM
It's amazing how you seem to think Damien duff is the bad guy in all this despite everything the GAA have done in relation to this to date.
Quite true. As a GAA member I don't particularly care about Duff's opinion but I can see why he said it.
As a GAA member I have issues with how the association top brass have handled things since the story broke:
1) They release a statement saying they support the charity but are hamstrung by their rules. Why hadn't they have the judgement to use ambiguity in rules to avoid this?
2) Why if the GAA are determined not to let it go ahead (to the extent of releasing a statement that they had sought legal advice on the matter) did they then go and have a meeting with organizers. A meeting that drags the controversy on another while. Then no result from the meeting except the GAA will consider the matter. What did the meeting add to this, given that the GAA state that this is about their rules, not the event itself.
3) They do this at a time when the Department of Sport have just released a document stating that best value for sporting investment is multi-use stadia and such projects should get priority. What a time to suggest you are heading in the opposite direction! The 3 big ticket items in for capital funding this year are RDS, Tolka Park and Pairc Tailteann. Precedent suggests that the GAA would get the largest share here. I wonder how this will impact on department officials decisions now.
Regardless on one's view on sharing of facilities, no GAA member can be happy with the handling of this incident.
/Jim.
Just on the 'multi-use' stadia thing, it would be interesting to look at the number of different sports, across different age grades and genders that are played in GAA stadiums & facilities when compared with those owned/run by other bodies.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 05:27:50 PM
Just on the 'multi-use' stadia thing, it would be interesting to look at the number of different sports, across different age grades and genders that are played in GAA stadiums & facilities when compared with those owned/run by other bodies.
What is equally interesting is to step out of the single association box and look at the macro picture. Kieran Shannon gives a good example in today's examiner of Limerick. Look at Thomond Park and Gaelic grounds, two stadia within sight of each other. Neither filled to capacity that often and both got government funding. From a government point of view it would have been better to develop one stadium for use for big Munster championship games and big European rugby games. A smaller 15K stadium would do for most GAA and rugby pro-12 games.
Instead you end up splitting your funding for under-used 25k and 50k stadia that are not quite the fit for either group.
When spending in sport is limited then that is the picture that the department are looking at and this is what they are talking about in their policy paper. Also you might find that the likes of rugby and soccer do have all age groups and genders using their facilities.
/Jim.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 05:27:50 PM
Just on the 'multi-use' stadia thing, it would be interesting to look at the number of different sports, across different age grades and genders that are played in GAA stadiums & facilities when compared with those owned/run by other bodies.
A comparison of ones that are cross-organisation rather than cross-sports wild give a fairer reflection, Jinxy. Ladies football/hurling being counted as different sports would be a serious fudge if that's what you're thinking, too.
Why though?
They're different sports.
I played football all my life and wouldn't know one end of a hurley from the other.
Plenty of people for whom the opposite is true.
I've been to one game of hurling in my entire life.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 05:43:28 PM
Why though?
They're different sports.
I played football all my life and wouldn't know one end of a hurley from the other.
Plenty of people for whom the opposite is true.
I've been to one game of hurling in my entire life.
But isn't it obvious why hurling and football use the same grounds. The parent organisation is the same.
If FIFA were the parent organisation of international rugby don't you think there would be a lot more ground shares between those two sports? It's like comparing an apple and an orange, to my eyes.
That's my point re the definition of 'multi-use'.
If rugby and soccer were governed by FIFA, they'd still be two different sports.
If the GAA decided to ban hurling tomorrow, the players and administrators would go away and set up their own association, they wouldn't all take up gaelic football.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 05:43:28 PM
Why though?
They're different sports.
I played football all my life and wouldn't know one end of a hurley from the other.
Plenty of people for whom the opposite is true.
I've been to one game of hurling in my entire life.
If you look at the example I gave you, the point is that they are not chasing "multi-use" as a point of principle but really to get "maxi-use". While many GAA clubs are well used, their higher-profile capital investments are not.
Take PuC and forget about charity events and other sports. Waterford hurling fans had no home games in the round robin and for Limerick game Cusack Park Ennis had no toilet facilities for 3/4 of the ground. From a Munster hurling point of view why did the Munster Council sanction investment in a ground to compete with Thurles ahead of getting all county grounds up to a basic level first? The All-Ireland quarter-final got 10k at it because it didn't suit Clare and Wexford fans. That is two years running that hurling quarter-finals were fcuked around with to "pay back" for PuC.
Myopic stuff when you sit on the boundary and look at it.
Equally the Department of Sport are saying that they don't want to split the limit pot to develop under-utilized stadia. One could argue this is quiet-wise. Go back to the Limerick example. Who loses out if Munster rugby used Gaelic grounds for big games outside of summer? Especially if they had reciprocated by giving the old smaller Thomond over to Limerick GAA for Limerick football games or as a smaller more atmospheric spot for club championships?
/Jim.
I agree with you Jim that 'maxi-use' is more appropriate than 'multi-use'.
Where there is excess capacity and a mutually beneficial arrangement can be entered into with the agreement of all parties, that is the way to go.
Best wishes,
Jinxy.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 05:10:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 04:46:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 04:40:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
Duff was the highest profile person that they could wheel out. I might be wrong, but I feel it's all a little orchestrated. Including our friend from Balbriggan. paul kimmage
Duff was doing a press launch for an autism charity he does work for and was asked by a journalist what did he think of the PuC situation. To say he was "wheeled out" as some sort of stooge is an insult to the organisers of the Liam Miller event and also Damien Duff.
The reason this has become such an issue is when Roy Keane was launching the game for Turners Cross one of the journalists asked why aren't you playing it in PuC. Organisers told them they asked Cork county board but were told they couldn't use the ground. It's the journalists and GAA's ability to keep shooting themselves in the foot that has turned this into such a story.
Well then he should have said I don't know much about it, which would reflect his knowledge on the issue better, rather than getting laid into a load of volunteers.
He knows enough to have an opinion, and is involved with the event.
Has he said anything that controversial? The top table in the GAA are disconnected from members.
I think he has said something controversial.
.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 04:51:42 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 04:30:58 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 26, 2018, 03:56:27 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 03:54:33 PM
There has been a pronounced shift in the general tone of the conversation since Duff's comments.
The longer it goes on the more it will be reduced to 'gaelic people' (as he calls us) vs. 'soccer people'.
I don't think his comments will influence the ultimate decision but maybe HQ aren't the only people mixed up in this affair that could do with some PR lessons.
True, but Duffer is speaking for himself. He isnt a vastly paid PR manager.
I think Duff's comments have done more harm than good. I know a lot of people in GAA some in high positions in club and county. They are on the road, home late, taking calls during the day, late at night, organising, sorting, arranging. Giving up their time. To be labelled 'Dinosaurs' by some indulged millionaire just pisses me right off.
In short, whether he was told to do it, or did it off his own accord, it hasn't helped.
Kildare co board after the newbridge fiasco fixed club games last weekend at the same time as their U20 team was playing in an All Ireland semi final. My dad knows the kildare co board chairman and he was giving out that Cian O'Neill was doing all the press/rte news about newbridge. He felt as chairman he should be the one doing all that.
Meath co board sent an e-mail to clubs that had dual players that player welfare is the clubs responsibility not the county board and fixtures will have to played. If they are worried about playing too many games, then don't pick the players for the team!!!
I'm sure some of the delegates who attend congress have been involved in GAA for 20/30 years, but I do believe they are out touch with today's players.
Another point that's been raised is this disconnect or being out of touch. Where is it, as the same people taking decisions in Croke Park are members of GAA clubs up and down the country. They follow their clubs, volunteer etc, so how are they exactly disconnected? This is just repeating something that has been said in the media by lazy journalists.
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 26, 2018, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 05:43:28 PM
Why though?
They're different sports.
I played football all my life and wouldn't know one end of a hurley from the other.
Plenty of people for whom the opposite is true.
I've been to one game of hurling in my entire life.
If you look at the example I gave you, the point is that they are not chasing "multi-use" as a point of principle but really to get "maxi-use". While many GAA clubs are well used, their higher-profile capital investments are not.
Take PuC and forget about charity events and other sports. Waterford hurling fans had no home games in the round robin and for Limerick game Cusack Park Ennis had no toilet facilities for 3/4 of the ground. From a Munster hurling point of view why did the Munster Council sanction investment in a ground to compete with Thurles ahead of getting all county grounds up to a basic level first? The All-Ireland quarter-final got 10k at it because it didn't suit Clare and Wexford fans. That is two years running that hurling quarter-finals were fcuked around with to "pay back" for PuC.
Myopic stuff when you sit on the boundary and look at it.
Equally the Department of Sport are saying that they don't want to split the limit pot to develop under-utilized stadia. One could argue this is quiet-wise. Go back to the Limerick example. Who loses out if Munster rugby used Gaelic grounds for big games outside of summer? Especially if they had reciprocated by giving the old smaller Thomond over to Limerick GAA for Limerick football games or as a smaller more atmospheric spot for club championships?
/Jim.
Totally agree, multi use Stadia are the way to go. But that would require joined up thinking at Government, and at the head of these organisations. The ROI has a history of supporting projects in the ministers constituency. In NI we just don't get on which makes things a bit trickier.
I want to also say again clearly. I have no issue with the game going ahead in PUC. My issue is with the berating of the GAA by people from inside and outside the organisation.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2018, 04:05:51 PM
Has he a no-nonsense public persona, Syf?
I've never been that aware of him making public statements about anything until now.
I'd be curious to read some of his stuff if you've any links.
Given the ineptitude of the FAI and the disastrous state of the domestic league in this country, I'm guessing he has given John Delaney and the higher echelons of the FAI both barrels at some stage.
Again, I'd love to read some of the previous instances where Duff has had a go at the FAI, Syf.
I've heard him speak in general terms about the coaching culture but I've never seen him have a go at anyone.
It's particularly relevant at the moment, with the ongoing row between the PFAI and the FAI regarding the 'wage assistance' fund to support LOI clubs who can't pay their players; 50% of which would be provided by, wait for it, the players...
Go get 'em, Duffer.
We've had a lot of "backlash" against Duff's comments but still nothing of substance to dispute the accuracy of them.
If I wanted "backlash" which doesn't deal with reality, I'd read a Daily Mail comment section.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
We've had a lot of "backlash" against Duff's comments but still nothing of substance to dispute the accuracy of them.
If I wanted "backlash" which doesn't deal with reality, I'd read a Daily Mail comment section.
That's just rdiciculous. Any fair minded person would have to agree that the GAA is a reasonably well run organisation and contributes handsomely to Irish society. Calling the people who run it "dinosaurs" is completely over the top and at best childish. You may not like some of the rules but overall, it's a strong, sustainable and self sufficient organisation.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2018, 04:40:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
Duff was the highest profile person that they could wheel out. I might be wrong, but I feel it's all a little orchestrated. Including our friend from Balbriggan. paul kimmage
Duff was doing a press launch for an autism charity he does work for and was asked by a journalist what did he think of the PuC situation. To say he was "wheeled out" as some sort of stooge is an insult to the organisers of the Liam Miller event and also Damien Duff.
The reason this has become such an issue is when Roy Keane was launching the game for Turners Cross one of the journalists asked why aren't you playing it in PuC. Organisers told them they asked Cork county board but were told they couldn't use the ground. It's the journalists and GAA's ability to keep shooting themselves in the foot that has turned this into such a story.
So why is this even a debate? The game was fixed for Turners Cross, media asked about PUC and now its the GAA's fault for saying no? Why didnt the same person ask for the Aviva? As there is more money for the family and some for the charity.. That journalist must be laughing his head off at the reaction
Until the rule is changed then the GAA should stick to their rules, it needs to be talked about at congress and passed..
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 06:58:58 PM
Totally agree, multi use Stadia are the way to go. But that would require joined up thinking at Government, and at the head of these organisations.
Ireland has pretty much all the stadiums it needs at this point so there is no point in building new white elephants, only in improving what is already there.
Dublin alone has the following:
Croke Park
Lansdowne Road
RDS
Dalymount Park
Tolka Park
Tallaght Stadium
Richmond Park
Donnybrook
Morton Stadium, Santry
Each fits the need of the sports/teams which use it.
Here in Galway, there are three stadiums - Pearse Stadium, the Sportsground and Terryland Park aka Eamon Deacy Park.
Each suits the particular need of each sport. The Sportsground and Terryland Park are an excellent locations and while there's always grumbling about Pearse Stadium's location and particularly the traffic, it's still within walking distance of the city and in a nice area - traffic is a problem in the whole of Galway city.
25k is around right for the GAA, which can fill or go close to filling Pearse Stadium for Galway v Mayo or Roscommon games in football and for Galway v Kilkenny or maybe Wexford in hurling.
8k in the Sportsground is perfect for Connacht rugby. You get a smashing atmosphere there for most matches. Anything bigger would be too big.
3-4k in Terryland is perfect for Galway United. Again, anything bigger would be too big.
The last thing Galway needs is a new, "multi-use" stadium in an inconvenient location on the outskirts of the city.
What is needed is for the GAA to get rid of the ridiculous rule which bans other sports from GAA venues, in order to facilitate occasional fixtures which might warrant being played at a GAA venue - for example if Cork City reached the group stages of the Europa League, Pairc Ui Chaoimh could be the venue, or if Connacht had a home Heineken Cup quarter-final, Pearse Stadium could host it.
This is basic common sense and would benefit everybody, including the GAA.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 10:32:12 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 06:58:58 PM
Totally agree, multi use Stadia are the way to go. But that would require joined up thinking at Government, and at the head of these organisations.
Ireland has pretty much all the stadiums it needs at this point so there is no point in building new white elephants, only in improving what is already there.
Dublin alone has the following:
Croke Park
Lansdowne Road
RDS
Dalymount Park
Tolka Park
Tallaght Stadium
Richmond Park
Donnybrook
Morton Stadium, Santry
Each fits the need of the sports/teams which use it.
Here in Galway, there are three stadiums - Pearse Stadium, the Sportsground and Terryland Park aka Eamon Deacy Park.
Each suits the particular need of each sport. The Sportsground and Terryland Park are an excellent locations and while there's always grumbling about Pearse Stadium's location and particularly the traffic, it's still within walking distance of the city and in a nice area - traffic is a problem in the whole of Galway city.
25k is around right for the GAA, which can fill or go close to filling Pearse Stadium for Galway v Mayo or Roscommon games in football and for Galway v Kilkenny or maybe Wexford in hurling.
8k in the Sportsground is perfect for Connacht rugby. You get a smashing atmosphere there for most matches. Anything bigger would be too big.
3-4k in Terryland is perfect for Galway United. Again, anything bigger would be too big.
The last thing Galway needs is a new, "multi-use" stadium in an inconvenient location on the outskirts of the city.
What is needed is for the GAA to get rid of the ridiculous rule which bans other sports from GAA venues, in order to facilitate occasional fixtures which might warrant being played at a GAA venue - for example if Cork City reached the group stages of the Europa League, Pairc Ui Chaoimh could be the venue, or if Connacht had a home Heineken Cup quarter-final, Pearse Stadium could host it.
This is basic common sense and would benefit everybody, including the GAA.
Is there not an issue with regards to soccer in a gaa sized pitch. As in the distance from the pitch to the supporters is quite large and takes away from the atmosphere? Or was that not a reason given as to why the IFA didn't want to go ahead with the maze site (I know that can be taken with a pinch of salt). But is it a genuine concern?
Quote from: TheClubman on July 27, 2018, 10:29:28 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
We've had a lot of "backlash" against Duff's comments but still nothing of substance to dispute the accuracy of them.
If I wanted "backlash" which doesn't deal with reality, I'd read a Daily Mail comment section.
That's just rdiciculous. Any fair minded person would have to agree that the GAA is a reasonably well run organisation and contributes handsomely to Irish society. Calling the people who run it "dinosaurs" is completely over the top and at best childish. You may not like some of the rules but overall, it's a strong, sustainable and self sufficient organisation.
Who said the GAA wasn't largely a reasonably well run organisation which contributes handsomely to Irish society?
You'll have to quote me where anybody said otherwise.
The issue is that there is still a dinosaur attitude that pervades across much of the GAA in relation to "British" sports, and particularly in the shape of the blatantly hypocritical rule which allows Collins v Eubank as well as Michael Jackson, Prince and Oasis to use Pairc Ui Chaoimh, while it doesn't allow a charity association football game in memory of a recently deceased local hero to take place there.
And why? Because association football is perceived in the GAA and in its rulebook as a "British" sport - no other reason.
That is unquestionably a dinossur attitude.
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Quote from: TheClubman on July 26, 2018, 09:57:46 AM
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Quote from: TheClubman on July 25, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.
I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.
Incompetent thinking, breathtaking in it's arrogance.
Just because you say something it doesn't mean it is the case. Make your argument against what I've said. Don't resort to playground insults of the person like Damian Duff for example.
Happily;
You state rules are rules, and tried to equate this issue to body politic of Ireland (which in and of itself demonstrates a narrow and incompetent mindset)
The rule states that use of GAA grounds must adhere to the aims of the organisation. In this instance the event does not conflict with the aims of the GAA, but it's a charity event?
You've seen or heard no motion to further relax the rules since Rule 42? Check out the motions proposed by Milltown Malbay that have been defeated twice since.
This is not about rules of the GAA, there have been two massive own goals this year that have done more to hinder the aims of the organisation and have been completely self inflicted.
Thank you for being respectful and engaging in more than insults although there are still a few there.
On your first point - I'm at a loss to understand how I'm displaying a "narrow and incompetent mindset". Are you suggesting that we do not regularly bend rules in Irish society? Perhaps you accept that we do and think it's a good think? Personally, I don't believe it is as it creates and feeds a culture of mistrust and cynicism.
My personal belief is that the event does not further the aims of the GAA. Smarter people than me seem to agree. When soccer and rugby were let into Croke Park - yes, it was for the greater good - but the rules had to be changed as it didn't further the aims of the GAA. To simply ignore it's a soccer match involving huge names and say it's a charity event is disingenuos. I don't think any kids in Cork will be attending due to their charitable nature, do you?
I'm not saying that's right or wrong - but the rules are written as they are written and they're either upheld or ignored.
I wasn't aware of the Miltown Malbay motions. I stand corrected.
Equating the Newbridge situation with this is interesting, if an entirely false equivalence. In both situations, there's lots of controversy - i'll give you that. However, in both situations it looks like the GAA rules will be upheld, which obviously you don't want this time.
Have the GAA met the organising committee yet ?
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-look-set-to-allow-liam-miller-match-to-be-played-at-pirc-u-chaoimh-37160223.html
At least Delaney has more manners than prat Duff.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 27, 2018, 10:38:08 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 10:32:12 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 26, 2018, 06:58:58 PM
Totally agree, multi use Stadia are the way to go. But that would require joined up thinking at Government, and at the head of these organisations.
Ireland has pretty much all the stadiums it needs at this point so there is no point in building new white elephants, only in improving what is already there.
Dublin alone has the following:
Croke Park
Lansdowne Road
RDS
Dalymount Park
Tolka Park
Tallaght Stadium
Richmond Park
Donnybrook
Morton Stadium, Santry
Each fits the need of the sports/teams which use it.
Here in Galway, there are three stadiums - Pearse Stadium, the Sportsground and Terryland Park aka Eamon Deacy Park.
Each suits the particular need of each sport. The Sportsground and Terryland Park are an excellent locations and while there's always grumbling about Pearse Stadium's location and particularly the traffic, it's still within walking distance of the city and in a nice area - traffic is a problem in the whole of Galway city.
25k is around right for the GAA, which can fill or go close to filling Pearse Stadium for Galway v Mayo or Roscommon games in football and for Galway v Kilkenny or maybe Wexford in hurling.
8k in the Sportsground is perfect for Connacht rugby. You get a smashing atmosphere there for most matches. Anything bigger would be too big.
3-4k in Terryland is perfect for Galway United. Again, anything bigger would be too big.
The last thing Galway needs is a new, "multi-use" stadium in an inconvenient location on the outskirts of the city.
What is needed is for the GAA to get rid of the ridiculous rule which bans other sports from GAA venues, in order to facilitate occasional fixtures which might warrant being played at a GAA venue - for example if Cork City reached the group stages of the Europa League, Pairc Ui Chaoimh could be the venue, or if Connacht had a home Heineken Cup quarter-final, Pearse Stadium could host it.
This is basic common sense and would benefit everybody, including the GAA.
Is there not an issue with regards to soccer in a gaa sized pitch. As in the distance from the pitch to the supporters is quite large and takes away from the atmosphere? Or was that not a reason given as to why the IFA didn't want to go ahead with the maze site (I know that can be taken with a pinch of salt). But is it a genuine concern?
There is, to a large extent.
Mismatches between pitch sizes and stadium sizes have become an increasing issue in association football/rugby and there has been a big move internationally in the last 15/20 years or so away from stadiums with running tracks towards dedicated rectangular football stadiums - ie. the Luzhniki Stadium in Moscow was remodelled to move the stands closer to the pitch - the Olympic Stadium in Sydney is also soon to become rectangular after many years of complaints about the poor atmosphere. Juventus's rebuilding of the Delle Alpi stadium, with its running track, into the rectangular Juventus Arena was another good example of this.
The atmosphere at a lot of the Ireland international matches at Croke Park a decade ago was not great and the field being so much bigger than the pitch was definitely a contributory factor.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
We've had a lot of "backlash" against Duff's comments but still nothing of substance to dispute the accuracy of them.
If I wanted "backlash" which doesn't deal with reality, I'd read a Daily Mail comment section.
Sid, if a doctor sat you down and said, "You're absolutely f*cked, it's terminal cancer", would you take issue with his tone and language or would you say, "Thank you for accurately informing me that I am going to die!"
Quote from: TheClubman on July 27, 2018, 10:42:35 AM
My personal belief is that the event does not further the aims of the GAA. Smarter people than me seem to agree. When soccer and rugby were let into Croke Park - yes, it was for the greater good - but the rules had to be changed as it didn't further the aims of the GAA.
Just for the record, the first part of the text in Rule 5.1 reads " not in conflict with the Aims and Objects of the Association". So it doesn't say any event must "further the aims of the GAA". To me it's difficult to judge if other sports associations are "in conflict with the Aims and Objects of the Association".
The second part of text reads:
"Grounds controlled by Association units shall not be used or permitted to be used, for Horse Racing, Greyhound Racing, or for Field Games others than those sanctioned by Central Council."
So to me that reads that Central Council can sanction any games "not in conflict with the Aims and Objects of the Association". Hence they could allow American football into Croke Park without recourse to Congress.
In contrast for rugby and football they have always
chosen to recourse to congress. I believe that is because such games were seen as British and to be frank, that was fine in it's time but is not now.
The reality is that Central Council have always had control from a
rules point of view but chose not to exert it from a
policy point of view.
As I posted earlier it's not government policy to aim for multi-use, maximum-utilization projects. The GAA needs to strongly consider the advantage of their current policy versus access to government funding.
/Jim.
Edit: I see in article that Central Council have been told to be ready to vote on this tomorrow. This aligns with my belief that within the rules, it's up to them, not congress.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
We've had a lot of "backlash" against Duff's comments but still nothing of substance to dispute the accuracy of them.
If I wanted "backlash" which doesn't deal with reality, I'd read a Daily Mail comment section.
Sid, if a doctor sat you down and said, "You're absolutely f*cked, it's terminal cancer", would you take issue with his tone and language or would you say, "Thank you for accurately informing me that I am going to die!"
You want Damien Duff to speak like an oncologist?
Why on earth would you want him to do that?
And why the deflection?
The reason association football and rugby are not allowed to be played at GAA venues, while concerts, American football and boxing are allowed to take place, is because association football and rugby are perceived to be "British" sports.
Let's not beat around the bush - that is the reason. Because they are "British".
I'd love somebody to explain to me how that isn't a dinosaur attitude. Nobody has yet even had a go at doing so.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
We've had a lot of "backlash" against Duff's comments but still nothing of substance to dispute the accuracy of them.
If I wanted "backlash" which doesn't deal with reality, I'd read a Daily Mail comment section.
Sid, if a doctor sat you down and said, "You're absolutely f*cked, it's terminal cancer", would you take issue with his tone and language or would you say, "Thank you for accurately informing me that I am going to die!"
You want Damien Duff to speak like an oncologist?
Why on earth would you want him to do that?
And why the deflection?
The reason association football and rugby are not allowed to be played at GAA venues, while concerts, American football and boxing are allowed to take place, is because association football and rugby are perceived to be "British" sports.
Let's not beat around the bush - that is the reason. Because they are "British".
I'd love somebody to explain to me how that isn't a dinosaur attitude. Nobody has yet even had a go at doing so.
That is it! Case closed! Nothing more to see here!
I will have a bash at it so.
We are in direct competition with soccer and rugby. We don't want to give them a leg up by providing them with first class facilities that our volunteers, through dint of hard work, have managed to provide for our players ans supporters to avail of, whilst the professional sports, who are quick to sneer at us for being backward, have not a pot to piss in.
We are not in direct competition with Prince or Neil Diamond so much.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
We've had a lot of "backlash" against Duff's comments but still nothing of substance to dispute the accuracy of them.
If I wanted "backlash" which doesn't deal with reality, I'd read a Daily Mail comment section.
Sid, if a doctor sat you down and said, "You're absolutely f*cked, it's terminal cancer", would you take issue with his tone and language or would you say, "Thank you for accurately informing me that I am going to die!"
You want Damien Duff to speak like an oncologist?
Why on earth would you want him to do that?
And why the deflection?
The reason association football and rugby are not allowed to be played at GAA venues, while concerts, American football and boxing are allowed to take place, is because association football and rugby are perceived to be "British" sports.
Let's not beat around the bush - that is the reason. Because they are "British".
I'd love somebody to explain to me how that isn't a dinosaur attitude. Nobody has yet even had a go at doing so.
GAA is a uniquely Irish sport. You are showing a complete lack of understanding of this last 100 years and indeed the birth of the GAA.
Now I am in favour of opening up all grounds and fear nothing from Rugby or Soccer, but this labelling of GAA as 'dinosaurs' shows a complete lack of understanding of basic history. And is quiet frankly shocking.
Damien Duff is a spoilt, self indulged millionaire, who has forever tainted his legacy.
Liam Miller (former Footballer and Millionaire - £10m in career earnings) will get his fund raising game in PUC and I welcome that, if only just to shut up the soccer fraternity.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 11:27:25 AM
I will have a bash at it so.
We are in direct competition with soccer and rugby. We don't want to give them a leg up by providing them with first class facilities that our volunteers, through dint of hard work, have managed to provide for our players ans supporters to avail of, whilst the professional sports, who are quick to sneer at us for being backward, have not a pot to piss in.
We are not in direct competition with Prince or Neil Diamond so much.
So it is about best promoting our sports, rather than a point of principle?
If then the Irish government follows through on it's policy paper of prioritizing multi-use facilities and the rule becomes disadvantageous then we change it?
/Jim.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
We've had a lot of "backlash" against Duff's comments but still nothing of substance to dispute the accuracy of them.
If I wanted "backlash" which doesn't deal with reality, I'd read a Daily Mail comment section.
Sid, if a doctor sat you down and said, "You're absolutely f*cked, it's terminal cancer", would you take issue with his tone and language or would you say, "Thank you for accurately informing me that I am going to die!"
You want Damien Duff to speak like an oncologist?
Why on earth would you want him to do that?
And why the deflection?
The reason association football and rugby are not allowed to be played at GAA venues, while concerts, American football and boxing are allowed to take place, is because association football and rugby are perceived to be "British" sports.
Let's not beat around the bush - that is the reason. Because they are "British".
I'd love somebody to explain to me how that isn't a dinosaur attitude. Nobody has yet even had a go at doing so.
They aren't British any more. Sean O'Brien is not British.
The sports are in competition with each other. There is no joined up sports policy either because the State is quite weak.
The dinosaurs became extinct. So did a few League of Ireland clubs.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
We've had a lot of "backlash" against Duff's comments but still nothing of substance to dispute the accuracy of them.
If I wanted "backlash" which doesn't deal with reality, I'd read a Daily Mail comment section.
Sid, if a doctor sat you down and said, "You're absolutely f*cked, it's terminal cancer", would you take issue with his tone and language or would you say, "Thank you for accurately informing me that I am going to die!"
You want Damien Duff to speak like an oncologist?
Why on earth would you want him to do that?
And why the deflection?
The reason association football and rugby are not allowed to be played at GAA venues, while concerts, American football and boxing are allowed to take place, is because association football and rugby are perceived to be "British" sports.
Let's not beat around the bush - that is the reason. Because they are "British".
I'd love somebody to explain to me how that isn't a dinosaur attitude. Nobody has yet even had a go at doing so.
It's not deflection.
You can't seem to grasp why people are annoyed with Duff.
Plenty of individuals, both inside and outside the GAA, have made the same point as him, but they didn't use the same aggressive tone and they didn't refer to 'f*cking dinosaurs'.
A significant number of 'gaelic people' interpreted Duff's comments as an attack on all of us, not just the hierarchy.
Anyway, that's the last I'll say on this because it seems to me you've adopted the somewhat disingenuous position of 'it only matters what you say, it doesn't matter how you say it'.
If you want dinosaurs check out SOME of the soccer types in Athlone or Sligo Town ;)
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
We've had a lot of "backlash" against Duff's comments but still nothing of substance to dispute the accuracy of them.
If I wanted "backlash" which doesn't deal with reality, I'd read a Daily Mail comment section.
Sid, if a doctor sat you down and said, "You're absolutely f*cked, it's terminal cancer", would you take issue with his tone and language or would you say, "Thank you for accurately informing me that I am going to die!"
You want Damien Duff to speak like an oncologist?
Why on earth would you want him to do that?
And why the deflection?
The reason association football and rugby are not allowed to be played at GAA venues, while concerts, American football and boxing are allowed to take place, is because association football and rugby are perceived to be "British" sports.
Let's not beat around the bush - that is the reason. Because they are "British".
I'd love somebody to explain to me how that isn't a dinosaur attitude. Nobody has yet even had a go at doing so.
It's not deflection.
You can't seem to grasp why people are annoyed with Duff.
Plenty of individuals, both inside and outside the GAA, have made the same point as him, but they didn't use the same aggressive tone and they didn't refer to 'f*cking dinosaurs'.
A significant number of 'gaelic people' interpreted Duff's comments as an attack on all of us, not just the hierarchy.
Anyway, that's the last I'll say on this because it seems to me you've adopted the somewhat disingenuous position of 'it only matters what you say, it doesn't matter how you say it'.
You say interpreted. I say decided to become offended to change the narrative. He could have worded it better, but is obvious who he was criticising and why. Miller was his friend and teamate and he is involved in the game. Don't patronise us by pretending you don't get his anger and by putting words in his mouth.
Again, are you addressing that comment specifically to me, i.e. 'don't patronise us'?
Also, what words did I put in his mouth?
I think fixating on Duff is counter-productive and I have literally no sympathy for any GAA member who is offended by it while the GAA bumble their way towards proving him right. This horrible nonsense is still on-going.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 12:48:22 PM
Again, are you addressing that comment specifically to me, i.e. 'don't patronise us'?
Also, what words did I put in his mouth?
that his dinosaur comment was directed at the entire GAA. It clearly wasn't. You are chosing to be outraged to push the conversation away from the GAA. Not has he a point/is that how the rest of the world see us, instead its how dare he. And profound ignorance about him being a pundit follows.
Meanwhile the story continues. And Damien Duff aint the villian
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 27, 2018, 11:32:33 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 11:27:25 AM
I will have a bash at it so.
We are in direct competition with soccer and rugby. We don't want to give them a leg up by providing them with first class facilities that our volunteers, through dint of hard work, have managed to provide for our players ans supporters to avail of, whilst the professional sports, who are quick to sneer at us for being backward, have not a pot to piss in.
We are not in direct competition with Prince or Neil Diamond so much.
So it is about best promoting our sports, rather than a point of principle?
If then the Irish government follows through on it's policy paper of prioritizing multi-use facilities and the rule becomes disadvantageous then we change it?
/Jim.
I'd say the GAA has nothing to lose if the Irish Government decide to prioritise multi-use facilities as that would mean the likes of Tolka park as mentioned earlier would need developed to facilitate the largest sport played competitively on this island being Gaelic Games and I don't mean sticking a set of GAA goal posts at either end of a soccer or rugby sized pitch.
On the Liam Miller fund raiser I think it will go ahead in Páirc Uí Chaoimh and the GAA will take a PR battering either way.
Not sure what Damian Duff's issue is though. If he's concerned that the Miller family and the hospice will lose out then he and his multi millionaire mates can dig a bit deeper into those very deep pockets as we all know charity begins at home Damo.
Manners are easy carried.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
I'd say the GAA has nothing to lose if the Irish Government decide to prioritise multi-use facilities as that would mean the likes of Tolka park as mentioned earlier would need developed to facilitate the largest sport played competitively on this island being Gaelic Games and I don't mean sticking a set of GAA goal posts at either end of a soccer or rugby sized pitch.
So we should amend the rules so?
/Jim.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 01:07:54 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 12:48:22 PM
Again, are you addressing that comment specifically to me, i.e. 'don't patronise us'?
Also, what words did I put in his mouth?
that his dinosaur comment was directed at the entire GAA. It clearly wasn't. You are chosing to be outraged to push the conversation away from the GAA. Not has he a point/is that how the rest of the world see us, instead its how dare he. And profound ignorance about him being a pundit follows.
Meanwhile the story continues. And Damien Duff aint the villian
I think what you will find is that the guard often slips with the soccer fraternity towards the GAA, like the FAI officials singing on the bus when they qualified for the World Cup: "You can shove your GAA up your..." The "Dinosaur" insult is frequently thrown at GAA members, which is why you would expect a Damien Duff to be more circumspect in his use of language. I don't know of any GAA supporter that considers soccer a British game. Most GAA supporters tend to enjoy a wide variety of sports including soccer and I would say 99.9% want this game in PUC. The GAA will of course approve it. There has no need for all the insults to be flying or the dramatics from prima donna soccer stars and lowgrade hacks in the media... they talk about tax and never about the contribution of the GAA to economy, local business, to providing healthy activities for the young people when the state failed in this duty. It was a game originally organised for a soccer stadium and it felt like the insults started flying fairly quickly. Would you expect Wembley or MetLife stadium or any other stadia around the world to be approved immediately in similar circumstances? The GAA ultimately approved only Croke Park so that pressure would not be put on GAA grounds around the country from competitive games, which is why this has been delayed. We have seen now what pressure can look like and it is quite ugly.
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 27, 2018, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
I'd say the GAA has nothing to lose if the Irish Government decide to prioritise multi-use facilities as that would mean the likes of Tolka park as mentioned earlier would need developed to facilitate the largest sport played competitively on this island being Gaelic Games and I don't mean sticking a set of GAA goal posts at either end of a soccer or rugby sized pitch.
So we should amend the rules so?
/Jim.
Absolutely destroyed.
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 27, 2018, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
I'd say the GAA has nothing to lose if the Irish Government decide to prioritise multi-use facilities as that would mean the likes of Tolka park as mentioned earlier would need developed to facilitate the largest sport played competitively on this island being Gaelic Games and I don't mean sticking a set of GAA goal posts at either end of a soccer or rugby sized pitch.
So we should amend the rules so?
/Jim.
I'd have no problems with that.
Would the owners of Tolka park or a Wesley College like to be told, no grants unless such facilities can accomodate gaelic games?
I can only see win win for the GAA.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:38:38 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 27, 2018, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
I'd say the GAA has nothing to lose if the Irish Government decide to prioritise multi-use facilities as that would mean the likes of Tolka park as mentioned earlier would need developed to facilitate the largest sport played competitively on this island being Gaelic Games and I don't mean sticking a set of GAA goal posts at either end of a soccer or rugby sized pitch.
So we should amend the rules so?
/Jim.
I'd have no problems with that.
Would the owners of Tolka park or a Wesley College like to be told, no grants unless such facilities can accomodate gaelic games?
I can only see win win for the GAA.
No Johnnycool, you were...
Absolutely destroyed! according to the Syf that is
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2018, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:38:38 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 27, 2018, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
I'd say the GAA has nothing to lose if the Irish Government decide to prioritise multi-use facilities as that would mean the likes of Tolka park as mentioned earlier would need developed to facilitate the largest sport played competitively on this island being Gaelic Games and I don't mean sticking a set of GAA goal posts at either end of a soccer or rugby sized pitch.
So we should amend the rules so?
/Jim.
I'd have no problems with that.
Would the owners of Tolka park or a Wesley College like to be told, no grants unless such facilities can accomodate gaelic games?
I can only see win win for the GAA.
No Johnnycool, you were...
Absolutely destroyed! according to the Syf that is
Was I?
How am I meant to react, it's all new to me this getting destroyed malarkey.
Should I log off and lie down in a darkened room? For how long?
Can you offer me advise MR2 as you get destroyed regularly on here? ;D
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:38:38 PM
I'd have no problems with that.
Would the owners of Tolka park or a Wesley College like to be told, no grants unless such facilities can accomodate gaelic games?
I can only see win win for the GAA.
I think where it can be done, yes. Of course the problem lies in expecting a government department to continue their joined up thinking beyond a white-paper.
I don't think for example that IRFU/FAI should have been let off the hook so easy when Aviva plans were amended. However given the GAA rules at the time (not withstanding the one-off opening of Croker) they were not in a position of strength.
I think the GAA rules held them back when pushing for Tallaght to be a municipal stadium. Hard to argue for access when you could not offer a quid pro-quo. Boy did the SRFC crew latch on to it. If the rules were amended that crowd of hooligans could have been shown up for what they were.
As I said earlier in this thread I strongly believe that Limerick should have both a 50K and 15K stadium shared between GAA and IRFU. I think it would have been better for both IRFU and GAA. It would also have been better use of tax-payers money.
So I believe you amend the rules and play a straight card in dealing with the consequences.
/Jim.
I think soccer has suffered in this whole fiasco. Their poster boy, Duff is shown up for the nasty piece of work that he is. A professional game with no worthwhile stadia. People start wondering who's the professionals and who's the amatuers.
Another thing is I'd never have turned the fundraiser and what it was for, but now a lot of people are asking why a multi millionaire's family needs a gather up organised by a load of other multi millionaires. :o
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
I think soccer has suffered in this whole fiasco. Their poster boy, Duff is shown up for the nasty piece of work that he is. A professional game with no worthwhile stadia. People start wondering who's the professionals and who's the amatuers.
Another thing is I'd never have turned the fundraiser and what it was for, but now a lot of people are asking why a multi millionaire's family needs a gather up organised by a load of other multi millionaires. :o
No, they are not. You soundly lost this argument pages ago.
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
I think soccer has suffered in this whole fiasco. Their poster boy, Duff is shown up for the nasty piece of work that he is. A professional game with no worthwhile stadia. People start wondering who's the professionals and who's the amatuers.
Another thing is I'd never have turned the fundraiser and what it was for, but now a lot of people are asking why a multi millionaire's family needs a gather up organised by a load of other multi millionaires. :o
Damien Duff is the poster boy for soccer?
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 27, 2018, 02:14:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
I think soccer has suffered in this whole fiasco. Their poster boy, Duff is shown up for the nasty piece of work that he is. A professional game with no worthwhile stadia. People start wondering who's the professionals and who's the amatuers.
Another thing is I'd never have turned the fundraiser and what it was for, but now a lot of people are asking why a multi millionaire's family needs a gather up organised by a load of other multi millionaires. :o
Damien Duff is the poster boy for soccer?
Sorry perhaps I should say 'former poster boy'
Anyway he's lost a lot of respect across the country. He'll have to play in a lot more fundraisers to earn that back.
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:18:25 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 27, 2018, 02:14:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
I think soccer has suffered in this whole fiasco. Their poster boy, Duff is shown up for the nasty piece of work that he is. A professional game with no worthwhile stadia. People start wondering who's the professionals and who's the amatuers.
Another thing is I'd never have turned the fundraiser and what it was for, but now a lot of people are asking why a multi millionaire's family needs a gather up organised by a load of other multi millionaires. :o
Damien Duff is the poster boy for soccer?
Sorry perhaps I should say 'former poster boy'
Anyway he's lost a lot of respect across the country. He'll have to play in a lot more fundraisers to earn that back.
I see what you did there. You lost respect for him, therefore everyone did.
If the GAA community are split on whether he was right or wrong, I doubt soccer will turn on him.
You are, as the kids say, snowflaking here.
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2018, 02:13:36 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
I think soccer has suffered in this whole fiasco. Their poster boy, Duff is shown up for the nasty piece of work that he is. A professional game with no worthwhile stadia. People start wondering who's the professionals and who's the amatuers.
Another thing is I'd never have turned the fundraiser and what it was for, but now a lot of people are asking why a multi millionaire's family needs a gather up organised by a load of other multi millionaires. :o
No, they are not. You soundly lost this argument pages ago.
Who is he trying to convince...
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
I think soccer has suffered in this whole fiasco. Their poster boy, Duff is shown up for the nasty piece of work that he is. A professional game with no worthwhile stadia. People start wondering who's the professionals and who's the amatuers.
Another thing is I'd never have turned the fundraiser and what it was for, but now a lot of people are asking why a multi millionaire's family needs a gather up organised by a load of other multi millionaires. :o
Do you have access to this bank account? How do you know he is a millionaire?
Quote from: mup on July 27, 2018, 02:25:59 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
I think soccer has suffered in this whole fiasco. Their poster boy, Duff is shown up for the nasty piece of work that he is. A professional game with no worthwhile stadia. People start wondering who's the professionals and who's the amatuers.
Another thing is I'd never have turned the fundraiser and what it was for, but now a lot of people are asking why a multi millionaire's family needs a gather up organised by a load of other multi millionaires. :o
Do you have access to this bank account? How do you know he is a millionaire?
He earned over £10m in his career. He was on £25k a week at Utd. I'd say he was a multi millionaire.
Anyway I hope PUC is opened to them. And I wish them well with their fundraiser.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 02:25:18 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:18:25 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 27, 2018, 02:14:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
I think soccer has suffered in this whole fiasco. Their poster boy, Duff is shown up for the nasty piece of work that he is. A professional game with no worthwhile stadia. People start wondering who's the professionals and who's the amatuers.
Another thing is I'd never have turned the fundraiser and what it was for, but now a lot of people are asking why a multi millionaire's family needs a gather up organised by a load of other multi millionaires. :o
Damien Duff is the poster boy for soccer?
Sorry perhaps I should say 'former poster boy'
Anyway he's lost a lot of respect across the country. He'll have to play in a lot more fundraisers to earn that back.
I see what you did there. You lost respect for him, therefore everyone did.
If the GAA community are split on whether he was right or wrong, I doubt soccer will turn on him.
You are, as the kids say, snowflaking here.
No Soccer won't turn on him. They like his sort.
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
I think soccer has suffered in this whole fiasco. Their poster boy, Duff is shown up for the nasty piece of work that he is. A professional game with no worthwhile stadia. People start wondering who's the professionals and who's the amatuers.
If they have then it's an irrelevant side effect when it comes to GAA members deciding what should/shouldn't be in GAA rule book. FAI amateurism is well known for a long time.
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
Another thing is I'd never have turned the fundraiser and what it was for, but now a lot of people are asking why a multi millionaire's family needs a gather up organised by a load of other multi millionaires. :o
Again from a GAA point of view that's irrelevant. The GAA made it amply clear in their first statement on this matter. They stated they were
fully supportive of this charity venture but the issue lay within their rulebook. So they defined the issue as being wholly about the GAA, not about FAI, not about Liam Miller's wealth and not about the worthiness of this charity venture versus others. Agenda firmly set by GAA that this is a GAA-only matter.
/Jim.
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 02:25:18 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:18:25 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 27, 2018, 02:14:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
I think soccer has suffered in this whole fiasco. Their poster boy, Duff is shown up for the nasty piece of work that he is. A professional game with no worthwhile stadia. People start wondering who's the professionals and who's the amatuers.
Another thing is I'd never have turned the fundraiser and what it was for, but now a lot of people are asking why a multi millionaire's family needs a gather up organised by a load of other multi millionaires. :o
Damien Duff is the poster boy for soccer?
Sorry perhaps I should say 'former poster boy'
Anyway he's lost a lot of respect across the country. He'll have to play in a lot more fundraisers to earn that back.
I see what you did there. You lost respect for him, therefore everyone did.
If the GAA community are split on whether he was right or wrong, I doubt soccer will turn on him.
You are, as the kids say, snowflaking here.
No Soccer won't turn on him. They like his sort.
His sort?
Like many others I think the game should go ahead. However, the entitlement of the soccer crew is ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with asking someone to use their facilities. But when you are politely declined and offered other help I'm not sure you are in a position to launch a full scale public assault on the people you are asking a favour of. Especially when you are competing with that organisation, including some of your clubs banning underage players from playing gaa.
If cork had wanted to avoid this they easily could have said the ground was in use. The likes of duff shouldn't be using a charity game or someone's memory to take a go at the gaa.
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 27, 2018, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
I think soccer has suffered in this whole fiasco. Their poster boy, Duff is shown up for the nasty piece of work that he is. A professional game with no worthwhile stadia. People start wondering who's the professionals and who's the amatuers.
If they have then it's an irrelevant side effect when it comes to GAA members deciding what should/shouldn't be in GAA rule book. FAI amateurism is well known for a long time.
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
Another thing is I'd never have turned the fundraiser and what it was for, but now a lot of people are asking why a multi millionaire's family needs a gather up organised by a load of other multi millionaires. :o
Again from a GAA point of view that's irrelevant. The GAA made it amply clear in their first statement on this matter. They stated they were fully supportive of this charity venture but the issue lay within their rulebook. So they defined the issue as being wholly about the GAA, not about FAI, not about Liam Miller's wealth and not about the worthiness of this charity venture versus others. Agenda firmly set by GAA that this is a GAA-only matter.
/Jim.
Agreed. But you also have to agree that media spotlight illuminates everything and not just one issue. It's no concern for me a GAA person, but as an ordinary person, I think it's fair question.
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 27, 2018, 01:56:28 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:38:38 PM
I'd have no problems with that.
Would the owners of Tolka park or a Wesley College like to be told, no grants unless such facilities can accomodate gaelic games?
I can only see win win for the GAA.
I think where it can be done, yes. Of course the problem lies in expecting a government department to continue their joined up thinking beyond a white-paper.
I don't think for example that IRFU/FAI should have been let off the hook so easy when Aviva plans were amended. However given the GAA rules at the time (not withstanding the one-off opening of Croker) they were not in a position of strength.
I think the GAA rules held them back when pushing for Tallaght to be a municipal stadium. Hard to argue for access when you could not offer a quid pro-quo. Boy did the SRFC crew latch on to it. If the rules were amended that crowd of hooligans could have been shown up for what they were.
As I said earlier in this thread I strongly believe that Limerick should have both a 50K and 15K stadium shared between GAA and IRFU. I think it would have been better for both IRFU and GAA. It would also have been better use of tax-payers money.
So I believe you amend the rules and play a straight card in dealing with the consequences.
/Jim.
We're in agreement then Jim.
As for Tallaght, I don't think the rules within the GAA were an issue back then as no matter what legal arguments Thomas Davis put forward they were always shot down.
South Dublin County Council wanted it as a soccer pitch and that was that.
In saying that I think Thomas Davis got very little support from DCB and Croke Park IIRC. May stand corrected but has been a while.
If all the people who are getting hot and bothered about this sent in £50 to the fund instead of griping on Social Media platforms there would be a fortune raised for the family and the charity. The Duffer could easily afford a cool million I would say.
Syf and Baile Brigin can show the way as they are really exercised about this.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
If all the people who are getting hot and bothered about this sent in £50 to the fund instead of griping on Social Media platforms there would be a fortune raised for the family and the charity. The Duffer could easily afford a cool million I would say.
Syf and Baile Brigin can show the way as they are really exercised about this.
Why would you assume we haven't? I don't think this post came across as smart as you intended it to.
The GAA messed up here and haven't a leg to stand on. I have no time for people like you try to distract from that fact and focusing instead on being offended. It's a fûcking charity match for a man who died of pancreatic cancer in his mid-30s. That's the bigger picture here.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
If all the people who are getting hot and bothered about this sent in £50 to the fund instead of griping on Social Media platforms there would be a fortune raised for the family and the charity. The Duffer could easily afford a cool million I would say.
Syf and Baile Brigin can show the way as they are really exercised about this.
Be interesting to see how much is raised. That is if they release the figures.
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
If all the people who are getting hot and bothered about this sent in £50 to the fund instead of griping on Social Media platforms there would be a fortune raised for the family and the charity. The Duffer could easily afford a cool million I would say.
Syf and Baile Brigin can show the way as they are really exercised about this.
Be interesting to see how much is raised. That is if they release the figures.
Again with the below the belt dig - implying they are up to no good.
You need watching.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 03:13:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
If all the people who are getting hot and bothered about this sent in £50 to the fund instead of griping on Social Media platforms there would be a fortune raised for the family and the charity. The Duffer could easily afford a cool million I would say.
Syf and Baile Brigin can show the way as they are really exercised about this.
Be interesting to see how much is raised. That is if they release the figures.
Again with the below the belt dig - implying they are up to no good.
You need watching.
Eh? You've lost me.
How much has Syf and Brigín contributed?
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:51:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2018, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:38:38 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 27, 2018, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
I'd say the GAA has nothing to lose if the Irish Government decide to prioritise multi-use facilities as that would mean the likes of Tolka park as mentioned earlier would need developed to facilitate the largest sport played competitively on this island being Gaelic Games and I don't mean sticking a set of GAA goal posts at either end of a soccer or rugby sized pitch.
So we should amend the rules so?
/Jim.
I'd have no problems with that.
Would the owners of Tolka park or a Wesley College like to be told, no grants unless such facilities can accomodate gaelic games?
I can only see win win for the GAA.
No Johnnycool, you were...
Absolutely destroyed! according to the Syf that is
Was I?
How am I meant to react, it's all new to me this getting destroyed malarkey.
Should I log off and lie down in a darkened room? For how long?
Can you offer me advise MR2 as you get destroyed regularly on here? ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm surprised I can function
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 03:14:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 03:13:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
If all the people who are getting hot and bothered about this sent in £50 to the fund instead of griping on Social Media platforms there would be a fortune raised for the family and the charity. The Duffer could easily afford a cool million I would say.
Syf and Baile Brigin can show the way as they are really exercised about this.
Be interesting to see how much is raised. That is if they release the figures.
Again with the below the belt dig - implying they are up to no good.
You need watching.
Eh? You've lost me.
You are consistently hinting that the organisers are up to no good. That's nasty and feeds exactly into the soccer narrative that the GAA is full of cantankerous old gits who have a holier than though attitude.
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2018, 03:02:39 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
If all the people who are getting hot and bothered about this sent in £50 to the fund instead of griping on Social Media platforms there would be a fortune raised for the family and the charity. The Duffer could easily afford a cool million I would say.
Syf and Baile Brigin can show the way as they are really exercised about this.
Why would you assume we haven't? I don't think this post came across as smart as you intended it to.
The GAA messed up here and haven't a leg to stand on. I have no time for people like you try to distract from that fact and focusing instead on being offended. It's a fûcking charity match for a man who died of pancreatic cancer in his mid-30s. That's the bigger picture here.
You are making it sound like you have in fact made a contribution so go on and prove you have already done so and I will match it with a similar contribution to the hospice!!
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 03:21:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 03:14:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 03:13:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
If all the people who are getting hot and bothered about this sent in £50 to the fund instead of griping on Social Media platforms there would be a fortune raised for the family and the charity. The Duffer could easily afford a cool million I would say.
Syf and Baile Brigin can show the way as they are really exercised about this.
Be interesting to see how much is raised. That is if they release the figures.
Again with the below the belt dig - implying they are up to no good.
You need watching.
Eh? You've lost me.
You are consistently hinting that the organisers are up to no good. That's nasty and feeds exactly into the soccer narrative that the GAA is full of cantankerous old gits who have a holier than though attitude.
You took that meaning, that's your interpretation not mine.
Out of interest are you going to the game?
He's probably involved in his GAA activities that day ::) ;D
"When Damien Duff called the GAA committee dinosaurs, he was doing dinosaurs a disservice" - Stephen Kenny
Quote from: JoG2 on July 27, 2018, 03:40:12 PM
"When Damien Duff called the GAA committee dinosaurs, he was doing dinosaurs a disservice" - Stephen Kenny
But, but, but they are! Have you not read Baile Brigin's posts?
Quote from: JoG2 on July 27, 2018, 03:40:12 PM
"When Damien Duff called the GAA committee dinosaurs, he was doing dinosaurs a disservice" - Stephen Kenny
Not untrue.
So neither of the 2 main posters rabidly criticizing the GAA for not being charitable enough have even thought of making a wee contribution to the fund.
Well I suppose at least you're not dinosaurs. Though maybe there are other words to describe the type of people you are.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 04:08:47 PM
So neither of the 2 main posters rabidly criticizing the GAA for not being charitable enough have even thought of making a wee contribution to the fund.
Well I suppose at least you're not dinosaurs. Though maybe there are other words to describe the type of people you are.
Infantile.
I take it you are happy with how this has been handled?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 04:11:23 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 04:08:47 PM
So neither of the 2 main posters rabidly criticizing the GAA for not being charitable enough have even thought of making a wee contribution to the fund.
Well I suppose at least you're not dinosaurs. Though maybe there are other words to describe the type of people you are.
Infantile.
I take it you are happy with how this has been handled?
I am not happy with how u are handling it you windbag.
It is clear you are happy to continually use this issue, about you clearly do not have even enough empathy to make a contribution to the cause, as a vehicle to criticise the GAA.
It's amazing how windbags can be deflated when asked to put paw in póca.
A bit like Soccer in general >:(
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 01:07:54 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 12:48:22 PM
Again, are you addressing that comment specifically to me, i.e. 'don't patronise us'?
Also, what words did I put in his mouth?
that his dinosaur comment was directed at the entire GAA. It clearly wasn't. You are chosing to be outraged to push the conversation away from the GAA. Not has he a point/is that how the rest of the world see us, instead its how dare he. And profound ignorance about him being a pundit follows.
Meanwhile the story continues. And Damien Duff aint the villian
I'm not outraged.
Even slightly.
You keep banging on about the 'backlash' to Duff's comments.
I'm telling you why there was a backlash.
This was my original comment.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 11:04:25 AM
It won't make any difference to the outcome but I think we could have done without Damien Duff's comments yesterday.
I think the last few days have very clearly demonstrated that we could have done without Damien Duff's comments.
The tone of the conversation in traditional media and social media was unified and supportive of the cause before then.
It is undoubtedly less unified and less supportive since.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 04:08:47 PM
So neither of the 2 main posters rabidly criticizing the GAA for not being charitable enough have even thought of making a wee contribution to the fund.
Well I suppose at least you're not dinosaurs. Though maybe there are other words to describe the type of people you are.
I said the exact opposite of what you're suggesting but this is your response. I suppose closing your ears when your tactic falls flat on its face is preferable to admitting you were wrong in your eyes.
Again, a charity match for a man who died in his mid-30s of cancer with a young family and this is the type of contribution you're making to the discussion. Truly pathetic.
Also Jinxy, the 'backlash' long predates Duff's comments. This very thread proves that. The GAA or its members has no right to be offended on this one. They walked themselves into this disaster by not just opening up all grounds in the wake of the Croke Park opening ten years ago. Dinosaurs is being kind to the suits on this one.
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2018, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 04:08:47 PM
So neither of the 2 main posters rabidly criticizing the GAA for not being charitable enough have even thought of making a wee contribution to the fund.
Well I suppose at least you're not dinosaurs. Though maybe there are other words to describe the type of people you are.
I said the exact opposite of what you're suggesting but this is your response. I suppose closing your ears when your tactic falls flat on its face is preferable to admitting you were wrong in your eyes.
Again, a charity match for a man who died in his mid-30s of cancer with a young family and this is the type of contribution you're making to the discussion. Truly pathetic.
So you
thought about making a contribution....go you..
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 04:38:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2018, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 04:08:47 PM
So neither of the 2 main posters rabidly criticizing the GAA for not being charitable enough have even thought of making a wee contribution to the fund.
Well I suppose at least you're not dinosaurs. Though maybe there are other words to describe the type of people you are.
I said the exact opposite of what you're suggesting but this is your response. I suppose closing your ears when your tactic falls flat on its face is preferable to admitting you were wrong in your eyes.
Again, a charity match for a man who died in his mid-30s of cancer with a young family and this is the type of contribution you're making to the discussion. Truly pathetic.
So you thought about making a contribution....go you..
Still haven't got it right, and still pathetic.
I think we all should donate to this multi millionaire's family. It's the least we could do given how badly we've treated soccer and it's other multi millionaire's who haven't got a decent stadium to play in order to raise money for this multi millionaire.
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2018, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 04:38:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2018, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 04:08:47 PM
So neither of the 2 main posters rabidly criticizing the GAA for not being charitable enough have even thought of making a wee contribution to the fund.
Well I suppose at least you're not dinosaurs. Though maybe there are other words to describe the type of people you are.
I said the exact opposite of what you're suggesting but this is your response. I suppose closing your ears when your tactic falls flat on its face is preferable to admitting you were wrong in your eyes.
Again, a charity match for a man who died in his mid-30s of cancer with a young family and this is the type of contribution you're making to the discussion. Truly pathetic.
So you thought about making a contribution....go you..
Still haven't got it right, and still pathetic.
Well I asked you for proof of your donation and said I would match any donation you had already made and you failed to provide said proof, so still waiting to be proved wrong.
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 04:45:45 PM
I think we all should donate to this multi millionaire's family. It's the least we could do given how badly we've treated soccer and it's other multi millionaire's who haven't got a decent stadium to play in order to raise money for this multi millionaire.
I'm a big beliver in karma and what goes around comes around. You think the GAA are somehow right, I and the vast majority don't. Fair enough. You've moved on from there to slatting Damien Duff as he has somehow become the bad guy and now you make a joke out a man's death. How can a person be so full of hate?? It's not normal
It is starting to become a joke - all these soccer players and managers coming out to slag the GAA.
F*ck em, let them find their own venue.
It is sad that a player has died under tragic circumstances but at the same time he was not from the GAA code.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 27, 2018, 05:20:07 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 04:45:45 PM
I think we all should donate to this multi millionaire's family. It's the least we could do given how badly we've treated soccer and it's other multi millionaire's who haven't got a decent stadium to play in order to raise money for this multi millionaire.
I'm a big beliver in karma and what goes around comes around. You think the GAA are somehow right, I and the vast majority don't. Fair enough. You've moved on from there to slatting Damien Duff as he has somehow become the bad guy and now you make a joke out a man's death. How can a person be so full of hate?? It's not normal
I'm not making a joke out of his death. But I am making a joke out of the people who bash the GAA.
I'm glad you wish me well.
I am not full of hate and I will gladly make a donation to the hospice in cork. Please post the link.
I've made my point. I hope the match does go ahead in PUC and I hope it raising an absolute fortune for everyone involved.
Quote from: Solo_run on July 27, 2018, 05:23:43 PM
It is starting to become a joke - all these soccer players and managers coming out to slag the GAA.
F*ck em, let them find their own venue.
It is sad that a player has died under tragic circumstances but at the same time he was not from the GAA code.
Except he was....
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2018, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 04:38:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2018, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 04:08:47 PM
So neither of the 2 main posters rabidly criticizing the GAA for not being charitable enough have even thought of making a wee contribution to the fund.
Well I suppose at least you're not dinosaurs. Though maybe there are other words to describe the type of people you are.
I said the exact opposite of what you're suggesting but this is your response. I suppose closing your ears when your tactic falls flat on its face is preferable to admitting you were wrong in your eyes.
Again, a charity match for a man who died in his mid-30s of cancer with a young family and this is the type of contribution you're making to the discussion. Truly pathetic.
So you thought about making a contribution....go you..
Still haven't got it right, and still pathetic.
Well I asked you for proof of your donation and said I would match any donation you had already made and you failed to provide said proof, so still waiting to be proved wrong.
I'm not playing your rather pathetic game. The very premise that you assumed people hadn't donated is so incredibly myopic I'm amazed you're still trying to push it. You made a bad assumption. And one that used a charity match as a prop in an online argument. Well done.
If you want to make a donation, why don't you do it of your own volition and not tie it to what others do for you?
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2018, 05:36:47 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2018, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 04:38:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2018, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 27, 2018, 04:08:47 PM
So neither of the 2 main posters rabidly criticizing the GAA for not being charitable enough have even thought of making a wee contribution to the fund.
Well I suppose at least you're not dinosaurs. Though maybe there are other words to describe the type of people you are.
I said the exact opposite of what you're suggesting but this is your response. I suppose closing your ears when your tactic falls flat on its face is preferable to admitting you were wrong in your eyes.
Again, a charity match for a man who died in his mid-30s of cancer with a young family and this is the type of contribution you're making to the discussion. Truly pathetic.
So you thought about making a contribution....go you..
Still haven't got it right, and still pathetic.
Well I asked you for proof of your donation and said I would match any donation you had already made and you failed to provide said proof, so still waiting to be proved wrong.
I'm not playing your rather pathetic game. The very premise that you assumed people hadn't donated is so incredibly myopic I'm amazed you're still trying to push it. You made a bad assumption. And one that used a charity match as a prop in an online argument. Well done.
If you want to make a donation, why don't you do it of your own volition and not tie it to what others do for you?
I assumed u had given ur strongly expressed sentiments. It appears that I was wrong about that. But sure u know what they say about about assuming.
Looks like I made an ass out of me. And u have made an ass out of yourself. Again.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
We've had a lot of "backlash" against Duff's comments but still nothing of substance to dispute the accuracy of them.
If I wanted "backlash" which doesn't deal with reality, I'd read a Daily Mail comment section.
Sid, if a doctor sat you down and said, "You're absolutely f*cked, it's terminal cancer", would you take issue with his tone and language or would you say, "Thank you for accurately informing me that I am going to die!"
You want Damien Duff to speak like an oncologist?
Why on earth would you want him to do that?
And why the deflection?
The reason association football and rugby are not allowed to be played at GAA venues, while concerts, American football and boxing are allowed to take place, is because association football and rugby are perceived to be "British" sports.
Let's not beat around the bush - that is the reason. Because they are "British".
I'd love somebody to explain to me how that isn't a dinosaur attitude. Nobody has yet even had a go at doing so.
It's not deflection.
You can't seem to grasp why people are annoyed with Duff.
Plenty of individuals, both inside and outside the GAA, have made the same point as him, but they didn't use the same aggressive tone and they didn't refer to 'f*cking dinosaurs'.
A significant number of 'gaelic people' interpreted Duff's comments as an attack on all of us, not just the hierarchy.
Anyway, that's the last I'll say on this because it seems to me you've adopted the somewhat disingenuous position of 'it only matters what you say, it doesn't matter how you say it'.
I can. It's because he's told a home truth that has touched a raw nerve.
It has touched a raw nerve because deep down, those complaining know it to be true.
But instead of accepting the truth of what he said, some people prefer to close ranks.
It's a classic case of denial.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 06:03:52 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
We've had a lot of "backlash" against Duff's comments but still nothing of substance to dispute the accuracy of them.
If I wanted "backlash" which doesn't deal with reality, I'd read a Daily Mail comment section.
Sid, if a doctor sat you down and said, "You're absolutely f*cked, it's terminal cancer", would you take issue with his tone and language or would you say, "Thank you for accurately informing me that I am going to die!"
You want Damien Duff to speak like an oncologist?
Why on earth would you want him to do that?
And why the deflection?
The reason association football and rugby are not allowed to be played at GAA venues, while concerts, American football and boxing are allowed to take place, is because association football and rugby are perceived to be "British" sports.
Let's not beat around the bush - that is the reason. Because they are "British".
I'd love somebody to explain to me how that isn't a dinosaur attitude. Nobody has yet even had a go at doing so.
It's not deflection.
You can't seem to grasp why people are annoyed with Duff.
Plenty of individuals, both inside and outside the GAA, have made the same point as him, but they didn't use the same aggressive tone and they didn't refer to 'f*cking dinosaurs'.
A significant number of 'gaelic people' interpreted Duff's comments as an attack on all of us, not just the hierarchy.
Anyway, that's the last I'll say on this because it seems to me you've adopted the somewhat disingenuous position of 'it only matters what you say, it doesn't matter how you say it'.
I can. It's because he's told a home truth that has touched a raw nerve.
It has touched a raw nerve because deep down, those complaining know it to be true.
But instead of accepting the truth of what he said, some people prefer to close ranks.
It's a classic case of denial.
I don't agree.
And as a negotiating tactic it is League of Ireland standard.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:38:38 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 27, 2018, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
I'd say the GAA has nothing to lose if the Irish Government decide to prioritise multi-use facilities as that would mean the likes of Tolka park as mentioned earlier would need developed to facilitate the largest sport played competitively on this island being Gaelic Games and I don't mean sticking a set of GAA goal posts at either end of a soccer or rugby sized pitch.
So we should amend the rules so?
/Jim.
I'd have no problems with that.
Would the owners of Tolka park or a Wesley College like to be told, no grants unless such facilities can accomodate gaelic games?
I can only see win win for the GAA.
Could you flesh out this proposal?
You're saying the GAA should pay to buy up the properties around Tolka Park in order to demolish them for a "multi-purpose" stadium nobody needs?
Yes?
Are you proposing they pay to divert the River Tolka too? Because that would also need to happen in order to install a GAA-length pitch there.
Quote from: seafoid on July 27, 2018, 06:12:30 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 06:03:52 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
We've had a lot of "backlash" against Duff's comments but still nothing of substance to dispute the accuracy of them.
If I wanted "backlash" which doesn't deal with reality, I'd read a Daily Mail comment section.
Sid, if a doctor sat you down and said, "You're absolutely f*cked, it's terminal cancer", would you take issue with his tone and language or would you say, "Thank you for accurately informing me that I am going to die!"
You want Damien Duff to speak like an oncologist?
Why on earth would you want him to do that?
And why the deflection?
The reason association football and rugby are not allowed to be played at GAA venues, while concerts, American football and boxing are allowed to take place, is because association football and rugby are perceived to be "British" sports.
Let's not beat around the bush - that is the reason. Because they are "British".
I'd love somebody to explain to me how that isn't a dinosaur attitude. Nobody has yet even had a go at doing so.
It's not deflection.
You can't seem to grasp why people are annoyed with Duff.
Plenty of individuals, both inside and outside the GAA, have made the same point as him, but they didn't use the same aggressive tone and they didn't refer to 'f*cking dinosaurs'.
A significant number of 'gaelic people' interpreted Duff's comments as an attack on all of us, not just the hierarchy.
Anyway, that's the last I'll say on this because it seems to me you've adopted the somewhat disingenuous position of 'it only matters what you say, it doesn't matter how you say it'.
I can. It's because he's told a home truth that has touched a raw nerve.
It has touched a raw nerve because deep down, those complaining know it to be true.
But instead of accepting the truth of what he said, some people prefer to close ranks.
It's a classic case of denial.
I don't agree.
And as a negotiating tactic it is League of Ireland standard.
It's not a negotiating tactic.
It's somebody being asked a question and giving an opinion, an opinion that is objectively correct.
Quote from: seafoid on July 27, 2018, 06:12:30 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 06:03:52 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 27, 2018, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
We've had a lot of "backlash" against Duff's comments but still nothing of substance to dispute the accuracy of them.
If I wanted "backlash" which doesn't deal with reality, I'd read a Daily Mail comment section.
Sid, if a doctor sat you down and said, "You're absolutely f*cked, it's terminal cancer", would you take issue with his tone and language or would you say, "Thank you for accurately informing me that I am going to die!"
You want Damien Duff to speak like an oncologist?
Why on earth would you want him to do that?
And why the deflection?
The reason association football and rugby are not allowed to be played at GAA venues, while concerts, American football and boxing are allowed to take place, is because association football and rugby are perceived to be "British" sports.
Let's not beat around the bush - that is the reason. Because they are "British".
I'd love somebody to explain to me how that isn't a dinosaur attitude. Nobody has yet even had a go at doing so.
It's not deflection.
You can't seem to grasp why people are annoyed with Duff.
Plenty of individuals, both inside and outside the GAA, have made the same point as him, but they didn't use the same aggressive tone and they didn't refer to 'f*cking dinosaurs'.
A significant number of 'gaelic people' interpreted Duff's comments as an attack on all of us, not just the hierarchy.
Anyway, that's the last I'll say on this because it seems to me you've adopted the somewhat disingenuous position of 'it only matters what you say, it doesn't matter how you say it'.
I can. It's because he's told a home truth that has touched a raw nerve.
It has touched a raw nerve because deep down, those complaining know it to be true.
But instead of accepting the truth of what he said, some people prefer to close ranks.
It's a classic case of denial.
I don't agree.
And as a negotiating tactic it is League of Ireland standard.
What makes you think its a negotiation tactic as opposed to his sincerely held opinion?
If Central Council gives this event the go ahead at kea st 50% of the soccer crowd will be disgusted.
Talking of Cork things -I wonder has Brigín and my thoughts on the Hurling semi final?
Great to see bullshitter Syf called out again -this time on making a donation.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2018, 06:47:25 PM
If Central Council gives this event the go ahead at kea st 50% of the soccer crowd will be disgusted.
Talking of Cork things -I wonder has Brigín and my thoughts on the Hurling semi final?
Great to see bullshitter Syf called out again -this time on making a donation.
Thats paranoid to an alarming degree.
Of course i do. Limerick by 10.
Duffs comments have got my back up I have to admit and now Shane Ross in on the act I hear .
How about fook off and mind your own .
From the Jaws of victory, Soccer has managed to extract defeat. If only Duff and Kenny had a wee bit of manners...
A win all round for the GAA.
Talk it's going ahead with a Gaelic football game before hand and a percentage going to an injured players fund.
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 08:20:20 PM
From the Jaws of victory, Soccer has managed to extract defeat. If only Duff and Kenny had a wee bit of manners...
A win all round for the GAA.
You are deluding yourself.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 08:40:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 08:20:20 PM
From the Jaws of victory, Soccer has managed to extract defeat. If only Duff and Kenny had a wee bit of manners...
A win all round for the GAA.
You are deluding yourself.
Au contriaire
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 27, 2018, 08:28:53 PM
Talk it's going ahead with a Gaelic football game before hand and a percentage going to an injured players fund.
A very worthy cause, which will make a real difference. Iontach maith.
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 08:20:20 PM
From the Jaws of victory, Soccer has managed to extract defeat. If only Duff and Kenny had a wee bit of manners...
A win all round for the GAA.
men in tracksuits
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 06:18:07 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:38:38 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 27, 2018, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
I'd say the GAA has nothing to lose if the Irish Government decide to prioritise multi-use facilities as that would mean the likes of Tolka park as mentioned earlier would need developed to facilitate the largest sport played competitively on this island being Gaelic Games and I don't mean sticking a set of GAA goal posts at either end of a soccer or rugby sized pitch.
So we should amend the rules so?
/Jim.
I'd have no problems with that.
Would the owners of Tolka park or a Wesley College like to be told, no grants unless such facilities can accomodate gaelic games?
I can only see win win for the GAA.
Could you flesh out this proposal?
You're saying the GAA should pay to buy up the properties around Tolka Park in order to demolish them for a "multi-purpose" stadium nobody needs?
Yes?
Are you proposing they pay to divert the River Tolka too? Because that would also need to happen in order to install a GAA-length pitch there.
If tolka isn't suitable to be used as a multi functional stadium then no government funds, simples.
If the stick used to beat the GAA up is that government funding was pumped into a stadium not being used for other sports and the threat of not funding Navan for the same reasons then its only fair those same rules apply to all sporting organisations looking government funding.
Do you think Louth GAA should be allowed to use this new stadium in Drogheda?
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 09:30:23 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 06:18:07 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:38:38 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 27, 2018, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
I'd say the GAA has nothing to lose if the Irish Government decide to prioritise multi-use facilities as that would mean the likes of Tolka park as mentioned earlier would need developed to facilitate the largest sport played competitively on this island being Gaelic Games and I don't mean sticking a set of GAA goal posts at either end of a soccer or rugby sized pitch.
So we should amend the rules so?
/Jim.
I'd have no problems with that.
Would the owners of Tolka park or a Wesley College like to be told, no grants unless such facilities can accomodate gaelic games?
I can only see win win for the GAA.
Could you flesh out this proposal?
You're saying the GAA should pay to buy up the properties around Tolka Park in order to demolish them for a "multi-purpose" stadium nobody needs?
Yes?
Are you proposing they pay to divert the River Tolka too? Because that would also need to happen in order to install a GAA-length pitch there.
If tolka isn't suitable to be used as a multi functional stadium then no government funds, simples.
If the stick used to beat the GAA up is that government funding was pumped into a stadium not being used for other sports and the threat of not funding Navan for the same reasons then its only fair those same rules apply to all sporting organisations looking government funding.
Do you think Louth GAA should be allowed to use this new stadium in Drogheda?
Tolka is multi functional. Isnt rugby played there?
The issue is, as you know, the ban and its compatibility with state aid and competition law.
The idea that every sport can be played in every venue the state gives a geant to is so impractical you are being delivmberately obtuse.
Asked this question before not sure if it was answered but if the state give money to the GAA they know about rule 42, don't they?
So knowing they know, then they have accepted that soccer and rugby won't be played until the rule is changed
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2018, 10:07:51 PM
Asked this question before not sure if it was answered but if the state give money to the GAA they know about rule 42, don't they?
So knowing they know, then they have accepted that soccer and rugby won't be played until the rule is changed
Rule 42 doesnt trump EU law. The question you should be asking is did the GAA realise accepting the funds negate rule 42 and if so what was the point of this weeks noise
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 10:09:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2018, 10:07:51 PM
Asked this question before not sure if it was answered but if the state give money to the GAA they know about rule 42, don't they?
So knowing they know, then they have accepted that soccer and rugby won't be played until the rule is changed
Rule 42 doesnt trump EU law. The question you should be asking is did the GAA realise accepting the funds negate rule 42 and if so what was the point of this weeks noise
If you really cared about rule 42, you think you would have joined a GAA club and brought forward a motion to have it removed.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 10:09:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2018, 10:07:51 PM
Asked this question before not sure if it was answered but if the state give money to the GAA they know about rule 42, don't they?
So knowing they know, then they have accepted that soccer and rugby won't be played until the rule is changed
Rule 42 doesnt trump EU law. The question you should be asking is did the GAA realise accepting the funds negate rule 42 and if so what was the point of this weeks noise
Trump EU law? Ffs lad, you've lost it now
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 10:04:38 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 09:30:23 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 27, 2018, 06:18:07 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:38:38 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 27, 2018, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
I'd say the GAA has nothing to lose if the Irish Government decide to prioritise multi-use facilities as that would mean the likes of Tolka park as mentioned earlier would need developed to facilitate the largest sport played competitively on this island being Gaelic Games and I don't mean sticking a set of GAA goal posts at either end of a soccer or rugby sized pitch.
So we should amend the rules so?
/Jim.
I'd have no problems with that.
Would the owners of Tolka park or a Wesley College like to be told, no grants unless such facilities can accomodate gaelic games?
I can only see win win for the GAA.
Could you flesh out this proposal?
You're saying the GAA should pay to buy up the properties around Tolka Park in order to demolish them for a "multi-purpose" stadium nobody needs?
Yes?
Are you proposing they pay to divert the River Tolka too? Because that would also need to happen in order to install a GAA-length pitch there.
If tolka isn't suitable to be used as a multi functional stadium then no government funds, simples.
If the stick used to beat the GAA up is that government funding was pumped into a stadium not being used for other sports and the threat of not funding Navan for the same reasons then its only fair those same rules apply to all sporting organisations looking government funding.
Do you think Louth GAA should be allowed to use this new stadium in Drogheda?
Tolka is multi functional. Isnt rugby played there?
The issue is, as you know, the ban and its compatibility with state aid and competition law.
The idea that every sport can be played in every venue the state gives a geant to is so impractical you are being delivmberately obtuse.
It's not strictly multi functional if it can't accommodate one of the most popular field games in Ireland, is that not a fair statement to make?
Why should the IRFU, the FAI and their affiliated clubs get away scot free on the multi functional requirement because their pitch requirements are less?
I am being obtuse but its in response to the stick being used to beat the GAA accepting government aid for stadium development irrespective of the ban which I hope is rescinded in some form.
Taking that logic to the nth degree means that Tolka and Drogheda shouldn't get government aid as they too won't meet this multi functional criteria being bandied about.
If you don't agree with that criteria being used for all applications then you can't complain about a rule that the GAA have had for decades wrt the use of their own property.
I wish the Millers all the best in their fundraising endeavours.
Cork GAA have put themselves in a huge debt underwritten by Croke park so it's only right their rules are respected and due process is followed.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2018, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 10:09:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2018, 10:07:51 PM
Asked this question before not sure if it was answered but if the state give money to the GAA they know about rule 42, don't they?
So knowing they know, then they have accepted that soccer and rugby won't be played until the rule is changed
Rule 42 doesnt trump EU law. The question you should be asking is did the GAA realise accepting the funds negate rule 42 and if so what was the point of this weeks noise
Trump EU law? Ffs lad, you've lost it now
On the other thread is a document that the EU insisted on its use for community events as a condition of funding. This is why the politicians are involved
Plesse keep up.
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I'd say the GAA has nothing to lose if the Irish Government decide to prioritise multi-use facilities as that would mean the likes of Tolka park as mentioned earlier would need developed to facilitate the largest sport played competitively on this island being Gaelic Games and I don't mean sticking a set of GAA goal posts at either end of a soccer or rugby sized pitch.
So we should amend the rules so?
/Jim.
I'd have no problems with that.
Would the owners of Tolka park or a Wesley College like to be told, no grants unless such facilities can accomodate gaelic games?
I can only see win win for the GAA.
Could you flesh out this proposal?
You're saying the GAA should pay to buy up the properties around Tolka Park in order to demolish them for a "multi-purpose" stadium nobody needs?
Yes?
Are you proposing they pay to divert the River Tolka too? Because that would also need to happen in order to install a GAA-length pitch there.
If tolka isn't suitable to be used as a multi functional stadium then no government funds, simples.
If the stick used to beat the GAA up is that government funding was pumped into a stadium not being used for other sports and the threat of not funding Navan for the same reasons then its only fair those same rules apply to all sporting organisations looking government funding.
Do you think Louth GAA should be allowed to use this new stadium in Drogheda?
Tolka is multi functional. Isnt rugby played there?
The issue is, as you know, the ban and its compatibility with state aid and competition law.
The idea that every sport can be played in every venue the state gives a geant to is so impractical you are being delivmberately obtuse.
It's not strictly multi functional if it can't accommodate one of the most popular field games in Ireland, is that not a fair statement to make?
Why should the IRFU, the FAI and their affiliated clubs get away scot free on the multi functional requirement because their pitch requirements are less?
I am being obtuse but its in response to the stick being used to beat the GAA accepting government aid for stadium development irrespective of the ban which I hope is rescinded in some form.
Taking that logic to the nth degree means that Tolka and Drogheda shouldn't get government aid as they too won't meet this multi functional criteria being bandied about.
If you don't agree with that criteria being used for all applications then you can't complain about a rule that the GAA have had for decades wrt the use of their own property.
I wish the Millers all the best in their fundraising endeavours.
Cork GAA have put themselves in a huge debt underwritten by Croke park so it's only right their rules are respected and due process is followed.
I take your point and agree in part. But you can't say gyms dont get funding if they cant accomodate a hurling pitch. Thats nonsense.
The reality is the pitch dimensions are the issue. Soccer and rugby fit in Gaelic games venues. Adult gaelic games dont fit in soccer and rugby pitches. Banning state funding of all non gaelic games venues is silly talk.
But at least you concede the principle that multi sports facilities are the way to go.
Bernard O'Byrne
@BernardOByrne
Damien Duff should shut his mouth. I agree that the Liam Millar game should go ahead in PUC but Duff's input is insulting and ill-formed. Back off DD and let serious people GAA and football sort it out.
https://twitter.com/BernardOByrne/status/1022930633499320320 (https://twitter.com/BernardOByrne/status/1022930633499320320)
Current CEO of Basketball Ireland.
Former CEO of the FAI.
The GAA ain't acting particularly seriously here. Still don't get this desire to be offended when most GAA members know very well the suits are in the wrong here.
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Asked this question before not sure if it was answered but if the state give money to the GAA they know about rule 42, don't they?
So knowing they know, then they have accepted that soccer and rugby won't be played until the rule is changed
Rule 42 doesnt trump EU law. The question you should be asking is did the GAA realise accepting the funds negate rule 42 and if so what was the point of this weeks noise
Trump EU law? Ffs lad, you've lost it now
On the other thread is a document that the EU insisted on its use for community events as a condition of funding. This is why the politicians are involved
Plesse keep up.
The rule has been in place before the EU was set up? So when this process was put together did no one in government or as you say the EU not see a problem?
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 10:13:09 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 10:09:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2018, 10:07:51 PM
Asked this question before not sure if it was answered but if the state give money to the GAA they know about rule 42, don't they?
So knowing they know, then they have accepted that soccer and rugby won't be played until the rule is changed
Rule 42 doesnt trump EU law. The question you should be asking is did the GAA realise accepting the funds negate rule 42 and if so what was the point of this weeks noise
If you really cared about rule 42, you think you would have joined a GAA club and brought forward a motion to have it removed.
i am a member of a club... perhaps you are right, maybe i should
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2018, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 10:09:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2018, 10:07:51 PM
Asked this question before not sure if it was answered but if the state give money to the GAA they know about rule 42, don't they?
So knowing they know, then they have accepted that soccer and rugby won't be played until the rule is changed
Rule 42 doesnt trump EU law. The question you should be asking is did the GAA realise accepting the funds negate rule 42 and if so what was the point of this weeks noise
Trump EU law? Ffs lad, you've lost it now
On the other thread is a document that the EU insisted on its use for community events as a condition of funding. This is why the politicians are involved
Plesse keep up.
The rule has been in place before the EU was set up? So when this process was put together did no one in government or as you say the EU not see a problem?
MR2 not understanding the law, again.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2018, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 10:09:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2018, 10:07:51 PM
Asked this question before not sure if it was answered but if the state give money to the GAA they know about rule 42, don't they?
So knowing they know, then they have accepted that soccer and rugby won't be played until the rule is changed
Rule 42 doesnt trump EU law. The question you should be asking is did the GAA realise accepting the funds negate rule 42 and if so what was the point of this weeks noise
Trump EU law? Ffs lad, you've lost it now
On the other thread is a document that the EU insisted on its use for community events as a condition of funding. This is why the politicians are involved
Plesse keep up.
The rule has been in place before the EU was set up? So when this process was put together did no one in government or as you say the EU not see a problem?
Did the rule not go in the day the ban on players playing other sports go? So 70s? The EU saw the problem, thats the whole point. They explicitly flagged that PuC had to be made available for community events. This has been referenced in most newspaper coverage of the story.
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Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 27, 2018, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
I'd say the GAA has nothing to lose if the Irish Government decide to prioritise multi-use facilities as that would mean the likes of Tolka park as mentioned earlier would need developed to facilitate the largest sport played competitively on this island being Gaelic Games and I don't mean sticking a set of GAA goal posts at either end of a soccer or rugby sized pitch.
So we should amend the rules so?
/Jim.
I'd have no problems with that.
Would the owners of Tolka park or a Wesley College like to be told, no grants unless such facilities can accomodate gaelic games?
I can only see win win for the GAA.
Could you flesh out this proposal?
You're saying the GAA should pay to buy up the properties around Tolka Park in order to demolish them for a "multi-purpose" stadium nobody needs?
Yes?
Are you proposing they pay to divert the River Tolka too? Because that would also need to happen in order to install a GAA-length pitch there.
If tolka isn't suitable to be used as a multi functional stadium then no government funds, simples.
If the stick used to beat the GAA up is that government funding was pumped into a stadium not being used for other sports and the threat of not funding Navan for the same reasons then its only fair those same rules apply to all sporting organisations looking government funding.
Do you think Louth GAA should be allowed to use this new stadium in Drogheda?
Can you tell me:
Should an indoor athletics stadium, such as the one in Nenagh, receive government funding if GAA isn't played in it?
What about an outdoor athletics stadium such as Santry?
What about the National Aquatics Centre?
Should that be capable of hosting GAA too?
Can you tell me under what circumstances the GAA would ever want to use Tolka Park, given that there's a 9k capacity stadium available to it up the road in Donnycarney - one which I don't ever recall any other sporting body looking to use.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2018, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2018, 10:09:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 27, 2018, 10:07:51 PM
Asked this question before not sure if it was answered but if the state give money to the GAA they know about rule 42, don't they?
So knowing they know, then they have accepted that soccer and rugby won't be played until the rule is changed
Rule 42 doesnt trump EU law. The question you should be asking is did the GAA realise accepting the funds negate rule 42 and if so what was the point of this weeks noise
Trump EU law? Ffs lad, you've lost it now
On the other thread is a document that the EU insisted on its use for community events as a condition of funding. This is why the politicians are involved
Plesse keep up.
The rule has been in place before the EU was set up? So when this process was put together did no one in government or as you say the EU not see a problem?
MR2 not understanding the law, again.
So when the law decide things through the courts you're happy enough about that? ???
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Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:38:38 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 27, 2018, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 27, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
I'd say the GAA has nothing to lose if the Irish Government decide to prioritise multi-use facilities as that would mean the likes of Tolka park as mentioned earlier would need developed to facilitate the largest sport played competitively on this island being Gaelic Games and I don't mean sticking a set of GAA goal posts at either end of a soccer or rugby sized pitch.
So we should amend the rules so?
/Jim.
I'd have no problems with that.
Would the owners of Tolka park or a Wesley College like to be told, no grants unless such facilities can accomodate gaelic games?
I can only see win win for the GAA.
Could you flesh out this proposal?
You're saying the GAA should pay to buy up the properties around Tolka Park in order to demolish them for a "multi-purpose" stadium nobody needs?
Yes?
Are you proposing they pay to divert the River Tolka too? Because that would also need to happen in order to install a GAA-length pitch there.
If tolka isn't suitable to be used as a multi functional stadium then no government funds, simples.
If the stick used to beat the GAA up is that government funding was pumped into a stadium not being used for other sports and the threat of not funding Navan for the same reasons then its only fair those same rules apply to all sporting organisations looking government funding.
Do you think Louth GAA should be allowed to use this new stadium in Drogheda?
Tolka is multi functional. Isnt rugby played there?
The issue is, as you know, the ban and its compatibility with state aid and competition law.
The idea that every sport can be played in every venue the state gives a geant to is so impractical you are being delivmberately obtuse.
It's not strictly multi functional if it can't accommodate one of the most popular field games in Ireland, is that not a fair statement to make?
Why should the IRFU, the FAI and their affiliated clubs get away scot free on the multi functional requirement because their pitch requirements are less?
I am being obtuse but its in response to the stick being used to beat the GAA accepting government aid for stadium development irrespective of the ban which I hope is rescinded in some form.
Taking that logic to the nth degree means that Tolka and Drogheda shouldn't get government aid as they too won't meet this multi functional criteria being bandied about.
If you don't agree with that criteria being used for all applications then you can't complain about a rule that the GAA have had for decades wrt the use of their own property.
I wish the Millers all the best in their fundraising endeavours.
Cork GAA have put themselves in a huge debt underwritten by Croke park so it's only right their rules are respected and due process is followed.
The GAA were only too happy to receive €60m in 2001 with the string attached to it that they would keep Rule 42 so as to faciliate Bertie Ahern's Vanity Bowl project.
Maybe the FAI and the IRFU could both get whatever the interest-adjusted 2018 equivalent of that 2001 €60m is, in order to keep their stadiums shut to GAA?
Seems fair to me.
They got €190m for a Stadium that is shut to "GAA" as you incorrectly call Hurling and Gaelic Football.
So the Brigíns and Sids of this world want no State grants to the GAA unless they let soccer and rugby be played in the grounds getting the aid but OK to give State aid to Rugby and Soccer and no requirement to have Gaelic games there.
I wonder if Louth CC approached Louth Co Board offering them a free site for a new Stadium?
Or to jointly build one on the taxpayers land with the FAI?
Well done to all!
As it looks like this will happen.
There is no losers here.
Everybody is a winner.
Time for the GAA to open up stadia to special large crowd events over the off season and make a few quid and put the money to good use.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2018, 11:48:01 PM
They got €190m for a Stadium that is shut to "GAA" as you incorrectly call Hurling and Gaelic Football.
So the Brigíns and Sids of this world want no State grants to the GAA unless they let soccer and rugby be played in the grounds getting the aid but OK to give State aid to Rugby and Soccer and no requirement to have Gaelic games there.
I wonder if Louth CC approached Louth Co Board offering them a free site for a new Stadium?
Or to jointly build one on the taxpayers land with the FAI?
I never said that I don't think the GAA should get grant aid for stadium redevelopment.
I think the GAA should abolish Rule 42 ASAP because it belongs to a dinosaur mindset which might have been understandable 100 years ago, but not since.
It makes the GAA look like a small, petty minded organisation.
We decide who can use our property is small minded and out of date?
OK.
Next time I and family go to Galway we want your house for the weekend.
You'll hardly be small minded and old fashioned by not letting us have it???
Any club once it receives significant public funding should be available to other organisations to hire.
Simple as.
And I include private schools in South Dublin in that
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2018, 12:21:04 AM
We decide who can use our property is small minded and out of date?
OK.
Next time I and family go to Galway we want your house for the weekend.
You'll hardly be small minded and old fashioned by not letting us have it???
Read the first line of your post back to yourself.
Rule 42 denies GAA units that very right.
Those in Cork GAA want to give the use of their stadium to others, like Ulster Rugby did for the Anto Finnegan game.
But the likes of you don't want to let them, you want your backward ideology to be imposed on everybody else, just like the No campaign in the 8th Amendment referendum.
As for the rest of your post, please try and come up with analogies that actually function as analogies, rather than merely as a showcase for your defiant ignorance.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2018, 11:48:01 PM
They got €190m for a Stadium that is shut to "GAA" as you incorrectly call Hurling and Gaelic Football.
So the Brigíns and Sids of this world want no State grants to the GAA unless they let soccer and rugby be played in the grounds getting the aid but OK to give State aid to Rugby and Soccer and no requirement to have Gaelic games there.
I wonder if Louth CC approached Louth Co Board offering them a free site for a new Stadium?
Or to jointly build one on the taxpayers land with the FAI?
I never said that. And its not 'shut' to GAA in the sense its not shut to canoing or rock climbing.
My point is twofold.
1. Its unfair that Croker as an asset can be used for anything at any time, but struggling clubs get fined for renting tbe astro to the neighbours. But we have no oroblem rentunf their facilities. It needs to be looked at
2. Taking that much money from the state and refusing to allow a charity game for a week was morally repugnant, strategically moronic and anti community. The tacking on of a GAA component has gone down like a sh1te sandwich. We used to be led exceptionally well. Recently is one debacle after another.
But you just carry on ignoring that and put words in my mouth
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 28, 2018, 12:30:35 AM
Any club once it receives significant public funding should be available to other organisations to hire.
Simple as.
And I include private schools in South Dublin in that
The latter is to be fair. It stank, but amyone can rent it
Quote from: sid waddell on July 28, 2018, 12:34:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2018, 12:21:04 AM
We decide who can use our property is small minded and out of date?
OK.
Next time I and family go to Galway we want your house for the weekend.
You'll hardly be small minded and old fashioned by not letting us have it???
Read the first line of your post back to yourself.
Rule 42 denies GAA units that very right.
Those in Cork GAA want to give the use of their stadium to others, like Ulster Rugby did for the Anto Finnegan game.
But the likes of you don't want to let them, you want your backward ideology to be imposed on everybody else, just like the No campaign in the 8th Amendment referendum.
As for the rest of your post, please try and come up with analogies that actually function as analogies, rather than merely as a showcase for your defiant ignorance.
The old personal abuse so beloved of those who think themselves modern "liberals".
A case if "You don't agree with me therefore you're ignorant, backward, dinosaur. ...etc etc"
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2018, 12:48:41 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 28, 2018, 12:34:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2018, 12:21:04 AM
We decide who can use our property is small minded and out of date?
OK.
Next time I and family go to Galway we want your house for the weekend.
You'll hardly be small minded and old fashioned by not letting us have it???
Read the first line of your post back to yourself.
Rule 42 denies GAA units that very right.
Those in Cork GAA want to give the use of their stadium to others, like Ulster Rugby did for the Anto Finnegan game.
But the likes of you don't want to let them, you want your backward ideology to be imposed on everybody else, just like the No campaign in the 8th Amendment referendum.
As for the rest of your post, please try and come up with analogies that actually function as analogies, rather than merely as a showcase for your defiant ignorance.
The old personal abuse so beloved of those who think themselves modern "liberals".
A case if "You don't agree with me therefore you're ignorant, backward, dinosaur. ...etc etc"
Quit while you're behind.
You two lads still on here spouting your faux outrage whilst not putting ur hand in your own pocket to support something u cherish so deeply. The type of lads hiding behind the sofa when they hear there's ticket sellers doing the rounds for some club.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2018, 12:48:41 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 28, 2018, 12:34:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2018, 12:21:04 AM
We decide who can use our property is small minded and out of date?
OK.
Next time I and family go to Galway we want your house for the weekend.
You'll hardly be small minded and old fashioned by not letting us have it???
Read the first line of your post back to yourself.
Rule 42 denies GAA units that very right.
Those in Cork GAA want to give the use of their stadium to others, like Ulster Rugby did for the Anto Finnegan game.
But the likes of you don't want to let them, you want your backward ideology to be imposed on everybody else, just like the No campaign in the 8th Amendment referendum.
As for the rest of your post, please try and come up with analogies that actually function as analogies, rather than merely as a showcase for your defiant ignorance.
The old personal abuse so beloved of those who think themselves modern "liberals".
A case if "You don't agree with me therefore you're ignorant, backward, dinosaur. ...etc etc"
The old "play the victim" card when your "argument" gets destroyed.
The go to card of the Trump/Brexit swivel-eyed loons.
When you post, one could almost be reading a much less articulate version of John Waters - and I make the comparison not to one of his Irish Times columns from back in the day but to his expletive-laden rant on Eamon Dunphy's podcast a couple of months ago.
So how much have you contributed Sid?
I see I've joined the "destroyed" now as well😀
Must be saying something right so.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 28, 2018, 10:07:53 AM
So how much have you contributed Sid?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2018, 10:11:09 AM
I see I've joined the "destroyed" now as well😀
Must be saying something right so.
You'd get better attempts at debate in the comment sections of The Sun, you really would.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 28, 2018, 10:16:12 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 28, 2018, 10:07:53 AM
So how much have you contributed Sid?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2018, 10:11:09 AM
I see I've joined the "destroyed" now as well😀
Must be saying something right so.
You'd get better attempts at debate in the comment sections of The Sun, you really would.
So SFA from u as well ... another windbag.
I think is was one of the 1st people to comment on this thread and have read it everyday since without further comment. I'm staggered by amount of people that have come on here and claimed to be GAA people but seem to hate the GAA with an absolute passion...
A great result. The GAA proving to be the forward thinking organisation that it is.
Well done to all those 'dinosaurs' I would expect an apology from messers Duff and Kenny. Not to mention the other contributors on this thread who've constantly berated the GAA.
I wish the organisers the best of luck, and hope it is well supported and raises a lot of money for the hospice.
Super. well done all.
Quote from: Boycey on July 28, 2018, 11:33:34 AM
I think is was one of the 1st people to comment on this thread and have read it everyday since without further comment. I'm staggered by amount of people that have come on here and claimed to be GAA people but seem to hate the GAA with an absolute passion...
Me too.
Quote from: Boycey on July 28, 2018, 11:33:34 AM
I think is was one of the 1st people to comment on this thread and have read it everyday since without further comment. I'm staggered by amount of people that have come on here and claimed to be GAA people but seem to hate the GAA with an absolute passion...
Bull.
Go onto a soccer forum. They will be laying into the FAI and FIFA. Nobody accuses them of hating soccer. Its been a bad few months for the Assosciation and trying to pretend otherwise keeps the problems mounting.
In fairness Michael o'flynn played this very fairly and dealt privately with the power brokers. Ryan and Horan had a difficulty in trying to keep the local logically challenged administrators sweet while coming to a publicly and ethically acceptable and enforceable decision. Both deserve credit as a undotted I would have left the door open for a dying sting from Frank.......
Duff came across as an entitled bollix but in the week dunphy leaves RTE it was a case of he saying it before sadlier did.... I wouldn't dwell on either pundits opinion.......
But as long as concerts, American football etc can be hosted, it's very hard to argue against other sports at fair market rate irrespective of any rule book. And that's a different issue to hosting this charity event
There's a guy in our club who sits at the corner of the bar. He is a complete whinging f**ker, forever complaining about everything under the sun. If u deal a different game of poker "that's shite" even before u explain how it goes. If you put a song on "that's shite" no matter what song it might be ...ad nauseum about every single thing u could think about. And if u say well sure u put on a song he refuses :D. Just like he puts zero effort into the club in any way shape or fashion...if somebody asked him to buy a lotto ticket he would sicken their hole whinging a million reasons why he wouldnt buy it.
Social media has given arseholes like this an unrestrained forum to spout their bile. In the bar we can tell the slabber to shut his big mouth as he is nothing but a whinging dose and he invariably ends up sitting on his own with noone near him. I suspect a lot of the posters on here spouting the loudest are just like him in real life, unfortunately it is nigh impossible to move away from them and not hear them on a board such as this.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 28, 2018, 01:02:05 PM
Quote from: Boycey on July 28, 2018, 11:33:34 AM
I think is was one of the 1st people to comment on this thread and have read it everyday since without further comment. I'm staggered by amount of people that have come on here and claimed to be GAA people but seem to hate the GAA with an absolute passion...
Bull.
Go onto a soccer forum. They will be laying into the FAI and FIFA. Nobody accuses them of hating soccer. Its been a bad few months for the Assosciation and trying to pretend otherwise keeps the problems mounting.
You're that guy in the club. The poison, the cancer. Everything is wrong but won't lend a hand. Snipes from the sideline. If you really cared, you'd have done something about it. Instead you've registered on this forum to berate the GAA and those fine people who do trojan work within it. Unfortuantely you weren't ready for the backlash you've received. Your one stable mate, is himself from Roscommon. That's tells you all you need to know.
If you call yourself a GAA man you'd want to have a look at yourself.
Quote from: Orchard park on July 28, 2018, 01:07:13 PM
In fairness Michael o'flynn played this very fairly and dealt privately with the power brokers. Ryan and Horan had a difficulty in trying to keep the local logically challenged administrators sweet while coming to a publicly and ethically acceptable and enforceable decision. Both deserve credit as a undotted I would have left the door open for a dying sting from Frank.......
Duff came across as an entitled bollix but in the week dunphy leaves RTE it was a case of he saying it before sadlier did.... I wouldn't dwell on either pundits opinion.......
But as long as concerts, American football etc can be hosted, it's very hard to argue against other sports at fair market rate irrespective of any rule book. And that's a different issue to hosting this charity event
The GAA has these overly under used venues dotted all over the country. Put them up for rent wisely. Reinvest some of the money on upgrading facilities. For 9 months you can see the tumbleweed blowing across pitches. Be proud of being Irish and forget about this anti-British stuff.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 28, 2018, 01:29:54 PM
There's a guy in our club who sits at the corner of the bar. He is a complete whinging f**ker, forever complaining about everything under the sun. If u deal a different game of poker "that's shite" even before u explain how it goes. If you put a song on "that's shite" no matter what song it might be ...ad nauseum about every single thing u could think about. And if u say well sure u put on a song he refuses :D. Just like he puts zero effort into the club in any way shape or fashion...if somebody asked him to buy a lotto ticket he would sicken their hole whinging a million reasons why he wouldnt buy it.
Social media has given arseholes like this an unrestrained forum to spout their bile. In the bar we can tell the slabber to shut his big mouth as he is nothing but a whinging dose and he invariably ends up sitting on his own with noone near him. I suspect a lot of the posters on here spouting the loudest are just like him in real life, unfortunately it is nigh impossible to move away from them and not hear them on a board such as this.
100% correct.
The difference is that in real life nobody pays any heed to him.
On social media, regular normal people feel they have to engage with him.
Irish twitter isn't a big place, and you can see these lads popping up on a regular basis on whatever the issue of the day is.
Everything is a disgrace, everyone is corrupt etc.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 28, 2018, 01:02:05 PM
Quote from: Boycey on July 28, 2018, 11:33:34 AM
I think is was one of the 1st people to comment on this thread and have read it everyday since without further comment. I'm staggered by amount of people that have come on here and claimed to be GAA people but seem to hate the GAA with an absolute passion...
Bull.
Go onto a soccer forum. They will be laying into the FAI and FIFA. Nobody accuses them of hating soccer. Its been a bad few months for the Assosciation and trying to pretend otherwise keeps the problems mounting.
True.
They'll probably express the odd bit of interest in the actual game of soccer as well though, to be fair.
Thank fcuk thats over. Now best of luck to the organisers and supporters. Hopefully it will be a great occasion.
A wise man told me 8 years ago that following the fall of the church and Fianna Fail, that unfortunately in the crossfire the GAA would come under pressure from an Ireland looking to throw off all its old clothes.
The GAA has been the most positive social structure in Ireland, but liberalisation often targets all structures both good and bad.
It is not the head office GAA that controls stadia with an Iron fist and who are more interested in inter county than club, but it is the GAA that improves, motivates and glues communities and gets plenty wrong. Unfortunately we are all called the GAA.
Paul Kimmage - a great writer and a deep thinker... I enjoy his writing. In fairness Paul doesnt have to think too deep when he attacks the GAA (and I have sensed crusade for a while now) he has smelt that it will be the next popular target. Indeed I think plenty of us expected this would be the case and in many ways we can handle this.
On another strand of argument recently put forward.., the GAA builds, owns and nurtures its facilities with traditionally the bare minimum of taxpayers money asked for - a flaw in their armoury as we are not scroungers or takers. We are givers. Many other sports often with professional basis or top tables took proportionately more from the taxpayer for their level of return to community. The FAI need to be taken to task on the state of Irish soccor, whilst they promote a profession and not a sport at times. The IRFU should have been taken to task for holding back the development of Rugby in Connaught. In the North, we look on in awe as we watch an orchestrated campaign prevent a GAA stadium being built in Belfast. No such campaign was orchestrated for Rugby or soccor. In my understanding when you look over all the facts and you cut away the emotions of Casement, there is a concerted effort to prevent a tax payer funded stadium being built. In the South you get to build it and then the begrudgery occurs. I would take that..
Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2018, 02:07:54 PM
Thank fcuk thats over. Now best of luck to the organisers and supporters. Hopefully it will be a great occasion.
+1000
Quote from: rrhf on July 28, 2018, 02:07:54 PM
Thank fcuk thats over. Now best of luck to the organisers and supporters. Hopefully it will be a great occasion.
A wise man told me 8 years ago that following the fall of the church and Fianna Fail, that unfortunately in the crossfire the GAA would come under pressure from an Ireland looking to throw off all its old clothes.
The GAA has been the most positive social structure in Ireland, but liberalisation often targets all structures both good and bad.
It is not the head office GAA that controls stadia with an Iron fist and who are more interested in inter county than club, but it is the GAA that improves, motivates and glues communities and gets plenty wrong. Unfortunately we are all called the GAA.
Paul Kimmage - a great writer and a deep thinker... I enjoy his writing. In fairness Paul doesnt have to think too deep when he attacks the GAA (and I have sensed crusade for a while now) he has smelt that it will be the next popular target. Indeed I think plenty of us expected this would be the case and in many ways we can handle this.
On another strand of argument recently put forward.., the GAA builds, owns and nurtures its facilities with traditionally the bare minimum of taxpayers money asked for - a flaw in their armoury as we are not scroungers or takers. We are givers. Many other sports often with professional basis or top tables took proportionately more from the taxpayer for their level of return to community. The FAI need to be taken to task on the state of Irish soccor, whilst they promote a profession and not a sport at times. The IRFU should have been taken to task for holding back the development of Rugby in Connaught. In the North, we look on in awe as we watch an orchestrated campaign prevent a GAA stadium being built in Belfast. No such campaign was orchestrated for Rugby or soccor. In my understanding when you look over all the facts and you cut away the emotions of Casement, there is a concerted effort to prevent a tax payer funded stadium being built. In the South you get to build it and then the begrudgery occurs. I would take that..
I'm delighted there's f all rugby in Connacht.
The whole debate as I've followed it tells me two things...
1- The gaa needs to allow it's county boards and clubs control their own grounds and let them do what they want bar allowing neo Nazi groups etc parade on them
2- The sense of entitlement from the soccer crowd is breath taking. They put a fund of 300k on place for player wages which less than half Delaneys wages. They think they pay tax so they should have access to anything they want. They really are a bunch of useless c***ts.
All that said I'm glad the game can go ahead in puc.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 28, 2018, 10:33:32 AM
So SFA from u as well ... another windbag.
You need to stop projecting, mate.
You've made zero substantive contribution to the thread.
Quote from: Boycey on July 28, 2018, 11:33:34 AM
I think is was one of the 1st people to comment on this thread and have read it everyday since without further comment. I'm staggered by amount of people that have come on here and claimed to be GAA people but seem to hate the GAA with an absolute passion...
That's the exact same attitude taken by Trumpbots. "Any criticism of America is un-American." This isn't Fox News.
Did you utter the same opinions during the Newbridge controversy when the GAA was being rounded on, left, right and centre for its "disconnect" with the ordinary membership?
Quote from: trailer on July 28, 2018, 12:28:44 PM
A great result. The GAA proving to be the forward thinking organisation that it is.
Well done to all those 'dinosaurs' I would expect an apology from messers Duff and Kenny. Not to mention the other contributors on this thread who've constantly berated the GAA.
I wish the organisers the best of luck, and hope it is well supported and raises a lot of money for the hospice.
Why should there be any apology for anything?
Social media pressure filtering into the mainstream is why this game will take place at Pairc Ui Chaoimh.
This is actually an example of where social media can be a positive force for change, minor as it might be in the grand scheme of things.
The GAA have been embarrassed into staging it by accurate comments like Duff's. It certainly isn't happening because of attitudes like yours or that of others here who have sought to protect the GAA at all costs.
The bigger issue is that Rule 42 remains in place - that is very much a dinosaur rule and remains so.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 28, 2018, 01:29:54 PM
There's a guy in our club who sits at the corner of the bar. He is a complete whinging f**ker, forever complaining about everything under the sun. If u deal a different game of poker "that's shite" even before u explain how it goes. If you put a song on "that's shite" no matter what song it might be ...ad nauseum about every single thing u could think about. And if u say well sure u put on a song he refuses :D. Just like he puts zero effort into the club in any way shape or fashion...if somebody asked him to buy a lotto ticket he would sicken their hole whinging a million reasons why he wouldnt buy it.
Social media has given arseholes like this an unrestrained forum to spout their bile. In the bar we can tell the slabber to shut his big mouth as he is nothing but a whinging dose and he invariably ends up sitting on his own with noone near him. I suspect a lot of the posters on here spouting the loudest are just like him in real life, unfortunately it is nigh impossible to move away from them and not hear them on a board such as this.
Having read your comments on this thread, you'd certainly be one I'd want to avoid were I ever in the same bar as you.
You should probably have read back over what you wrote there before hitting "post", because if anybody comes across as an obnoxious loudmouth on this thread, it's definitely yourself.
All mouth and no money like them other 2 A holes.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 28, 2018, 03:21:59 PM
All mouth and no money like them other 2 A holes.
Did you read back over what you wrote?
Because it's the very definition of "all mouth".
All mouth but nothing to say.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 28, 2018, 03:21:59 PM
All mouth and no money like them other 2 A holes.
Thats rich. You have contributed nothing other than abusing people who disagree with you. Literally nobody seems to support the position and behaviour of Croke Oark here. You are contriving a row so you get to avoid commenting on the topic in hand.
John Horan said on RTE radio a minute ago that no money from the event will be going to any GAA causes such as an injured players fund.
More or less said, "We're well able to take care of our own players".
Also said the broader issue of using facilities for 'non-GAA' purposes will be on the clar for congress.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 28, 2018, 03:43:42 PM
John Horan said on RTE radio a minute ago that no money from the event will be going to any GAA causes such as an injured players fund.
More or less said, "We're well able to take care of our own players".
Also said the broader issue of using facilities for 'non-GAA' purposes will be on the clar for congress.
And it continues. Contradicting yesterdays press release. What is going on in Croker?
Where's the contradiction?
I didn't see the official statement.
No u three guys are just like that dick in our club that sits whinging interminably but never contributes a red cent of his money or a second of his time.
All this faux outrage and high moral ground stance but not one of you even gave a single penny to the cause about which you were so rabidly spoofing. Hyprocrites of the highest order the lot of ye.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 28, 2018, 03:53:57 PM
Where's the contradiction?
I didn't see the official statement.
Yesterday the workaround was the players fund got 1/3 of the gate. Today they arent taking money. The president overuling his press office. Just when it was settling down
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 28, 2018, 03:55:37 PM
No u three guys are just like that dick in our club that sits whinging interminably but never contributes a red cent of his money or a second of his time.
All this faux outrage and high moral ground stance but not one of you even gave a single penny to the cause about which you were so rabidly spoofing. Hyprocrites of the highest order the lot of ye.
How would we donate? Tickets are all sold out. Even your lies are lies.
I have to say congratulations are in order for keyser soze and trailer - on a thread with both Syferus and MR2 posting - you both have been proven to be bigger arseholes than the both of them. Some going - well done.
Well, what he said today was that the organising committee kindly offered to make a donation to some GAA related cause and the GAA politely declined.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 28, 2018, 04:00:04 PM
Well, what he said today was that the organising committee kindly offered to make a donation to some GAA related cause and the GAA politely declined.
and thats fine.
But thats not what his press office said yesterday
Do you have a link to the press release?
I've only seen the official joint-statement which makes no reference to any donation to a GAA fund.
I did see that the management committee recommended that a donation be made to an injure players fund, but if it's just a recommendation then presumably it's not a requirement.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 28, 2018, 03:46:00 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 28, 2018, 03:43:42 PM
John Horan said on RTE radio a minute ago that no money from the event will be going to any GAA causes such as an injured players fund.
More or less said, "We're well able to take care of our own players".
Also said the broader issue of using facilities for 'non-GAA' purposes will be on the clar for congress.
And it continues. Contradicting yesterdays press release. What is going on in Croker?
You're just making stuff up at this stage.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 28, 2018, 04:05:35 PM
Do you have a link to the press release?
I've only seen the official joint-statement which makes no reference to any donation to a GAA fund.
I did see that the management committee recommended that a donation be made to an injure players fund, but if it's just a recommendation then presumably it's not a requirement.
You are correct. The media are reoprting that, but no official line anwhere. My own fault for not looking for a direct source behind tbe headlines.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 28, 2018, 03:59:25 PM
I have to say congratulations are in order for keyser soze and trailer - on a thread with both Syferus and MR2 posting - you both have been proven to be bigger arseholes than the both of them. Some going - well done.
Thank you for your well thought out and deep contribution.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 28, 2018, 03:57:27 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 28, 2018, 03:55:37 PM
No u three guys are just like that dick in our club that sits whinging interminably but never contributes a red cent of his money or a second of his time.
All this faux outrage and high moral ground stance but not one of you even gave a single penny to the cause about which you were so rabidly spoofing. Hyprocrites of the highest order the lot of ye.
How would we donate? Tickets are all sold out. Even your lies are lies.
Easy to wait till all the tickets are sold and then say u have no way of donating. It is clear it never even occurred to you to make a contribution. U really are a monstrous turd. Tho surely a thoroughly modern fellow like yourself could still find a way to make a contribution if u put 10th of the effort into doing so as u have into slagging off the Gaa
I'd say a lot of people will buy tickets by way of making a donation, without actually attending.
If the game is on a weekday afternoon, a crowd of 20,000 would be doing well.
It was a week late but the GAA finally made the right decision. Only issue I would have is that John Horan refused to accept they made any mistakes just like they did with the newbridge u-turn when they stuck to the company line it was improved H&S standards. A bit more humility would be in order
Quote from: trailer on July 28, 2018, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 28, 2018, 03:59:25 PM
I have to say congratulations are in order for keyser soze and trailer - on a thread with both Syferus and MR2 posting - you both have been proven to be bigger arseholes than the both of them. Some going - well done.
Thank you for your well thought out and deep contribution.
As opposed to your excellent contributions ::)
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 02:32:56 PMHe earned over £10m in his career. He was on £25k a week at Utd. I'd say he was a multi millionaire.
Anyway I hope PUC is opened to them. And I wish them well with their fundraiser.
Quote from: trailer on July 27, 2018, 05:24:29 PMI've made my point. I hope the match does go ahead in PUC and I hope it raising an absolute fortune for everyone involved.
Quote from: trailer on July 28, 2018, 12:28:44 PMI wish the organisers the best of luck, and hope it is well supported and raises a lot of money for the hospice.
It genuinely seems impossible for full-time GAA officials to be fired for incompetence.
Which full time officials were incompetent?
On the main evening news, Marty Morrissey was very keen to stress that the GAA's decision to allow this game to take place would not "open the floodgates".
"Open the floodgates" to what?
Are there hordes of screaming, bloodthristy association football barbarians and rugby Barbarians with their eyeballs popping at the prospect of the rape and pillage of GAA people and GAA facilities all over Ireland, or something?
What do you think?
Quote from: currychip on July 28, 2018, 10:08:11 PM
Which full time officials were incompetent?
Exactly.
It must irritate a lot of critics that the GAA Hierarchy and the Liam Miller Committee sorted things out quietly and amicably in a dignified manner.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2018, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: currychip on July 28, 2018, 10:08:11 PM
Which full time officials were incompetent?
Exactly.
It must irritate a lot of critics that the GAA Hierarchy and the Liam Miller Committee sorted things out quietly and amicably in a dignified manner.
If you think this was sorted out quietly I'm lost for words. Just because you say something it doesn't mean it's true.
Quote from: currychip on July 28, 2018, 11:38:31 PM
What do you think?
I can't read Marty Morissey's mind, but the words "open the floodgates" would seem to strongly imply that there could be some sort of threatening force looming and just waiting for its moment to strike in devastating fashion against the GAA.
I've no idea what that threatening force could be - I certainly don't see too many on the horizon.
Is it obesity, perhaps?
What do you think?
It does beg the question why there are never testimonials for GAA players who have suffered misfortune, without a lucrative professional career
Quote from: befair on July 29, 2018, 01:47:27 PM
It does beg the question why there are never testimonials for GAA players who have suffered misfortune, without a lucrative professional career
Jez, that would be some tin of worms! Then again Gooch had his own testimonial. What ever misfortune he had as an excuse. Maybe his misfortune was that Dublin came at the tail end of career. And hastened his chances of soft All Irelands against sides like Mayo and Cork!
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Harlequins Belfast have rented out their ground for years to Naomi Brid, never any news story about it as it's normal... nobody makes a big deal about it..
This Journalist is very poor at his job, plus a new club opened in Antrim about 3 years ago, again poor journalism
You could nearly reword that newspaper heading, without gaa grounds they couldn't have bid for the rugby World Cup! People have short memories! Was there fundraisers for M Mccarthy and J Keirns family after their misfortune?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2018, 09:59:55 PM
Harlequins Belfast have rented out their ground for years to Naomi Brid, never any news story about it as it's normal... nobody makes a big deal about it..
This Journalist is very poor at his job, plus a new club opened in Antrim about 3 years ago, again poor journalism
Amazing, isn't it, how those in other sports don't talk about "opening the floodgates" when other sports use their premises?
Well actually, it's not amazing at all, but it is that some in the GAA talk about such.
Why is the journalist poor at his job?
Why is a new club opening in Antrim poor journalism? How is opening a new club journalism at all? ;D
Quote from: sid waddell on July 29, 2018, 10:12:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2018, 09:59:55 PM
Harlequins Belfast have rented out their ground for years to Naomi Brid, never any news story about it as it's normal... nobody makes a big deal about it..
This Journalist is very poor at his job, plus a new club opened in Antrim about 3 years ago, again poor journalism
Amazing, isn't it, how those in other sports don't talk about "opening the floodgates" when other sports use their premises?
Well actually, it's not amazing at all, but it is that some in the GAA talk about such.
Why is the journalist poor at his job?
Why is a new club opening in Antrim poor journalism? How is opening a new club journalism at all? ;D
You read the piece?
172 votes so far, 70% in favour, 22% against and 8% who used to be indecisive but now are not too sure😀😀.
Glad to see the GAA did the right thing, but they do need to be able to make decisions (even if temporary), a little quicker and they do need to shed some of the shackles and mindset of long ago..
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2018, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: currychip on July 28, 2018, 10:08:11 PM
Which full time officials were incompetent?
Exactly.
It must irritate a lot of critics that the GAA Hierarchy and the Liam Miller Committee sorted things out quietly and amicably in a dignified manner.
Amicible and dignified? Seriously?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 12:56:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2018, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: currychip on July 28, 2018, 10:08:11 PM
Which full time officials were incompetent?
Exactly.
It must irritate a lot of critics that the GAA Hierarchy and the Liam Miller Committee sorted things out quietly and amicably in a dignified manner.
Amicible and dignified? Seriously?
The whole thing has been a PR catastrophe for the GAA.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 30, 2018, 01:04:27 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 12:56:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2018, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: currychip on July 28, 2018, 10:08:11 PM
Which full time officials were incompetent?
Exactly.
It must irritate a lot of critics that the GAA Hierarchy and the Liam Miller Committee sorted things out quietly and amicably in a dignified manner.
Amicible and dignified? Seriously?
The whole thing has been a PR catastrophe for the GAA.
Aye, they will have lost a few cranky old farts over the head of this.. especially the ones who never played and have an negative opinion on everything... so all in all a WIN WIN
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 30, 2018, 12:37:46 PM
Glad to see the GAA did the right thing, but they do need to be able to make decisions (even if temporary), a little quicker and they do need to shed some of the shackles and mindset of long ago..
Whether they've done the right thing or not will be determined over the next few decades.
The right thing in this instance being disregarding the rules of Congress.
Does this mean the GAA is no longer a democratic organisation?
Does it mean the rules of the GAA are no longer worth the paper they are written on?
While I agree that *in this instance* the majority of members would have been in favour of PUC opening - that might not always be the case - yet now there is precedent for ignoring the rules and doing whatever pleases you.
What if, at some point in the future, a soccer club with a "glamour" European fixture asks the local county board to play the game in the county ground - at a generous rent price. County board says yes - and kicks a couple of underage finals that were meant to be held that night off the county pitch. Is that OK?
Or maybe more worryingly - if clubs that are finding it hard to make ends meet start renting out their grounds to local soccer clubs in the evenings and forcing their own teams off the pitch(es)?
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
This goes beyond sport into illness, bereavement, family & community.
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 30, 2018, 01:04:27 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 12:56:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2018, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: currychip on July 28, 2018, 10:08:11 PM
Which full time officials were incompetent?
Exactly.
It must irritate a lot of critics that the GAA Hierarchy and the Liam Miller Committee sorted things out quietly and amicably in a dignified manner.
Amicible and dignified? Seriously?
The whole thing has been a PR catastrophe for the GAA.
Whilst I don't think you are wrong, what impact going forward will this PR disaster have on the GAA?
Will sponsors pull out?
Will the attendances drop?
'PR catastrophe' is hyperbole.
Now that the venom has been taken out of the conversation, the only people who will bear a grudge about this going forward are the people who had a grudge before this ever even happened.
And, if it turns out to be a catalyst for change at the next Congress, it will have done the association some service.
All the GAA-related social media chatter today is about how,
a) 'The hurling at the weekend was unbelievable',
and,
b) 'I can't get tickets for Thurles, the GAA are a shambles/disgrace'.
As I said this going ahead has ruined a lot of people's "outrage".,
Including 3 here.
How many of those outraged will buy a ticket or make a contribution?
Will Ross or Martin or Griffin?
As J says most talk in GAA circles is now about the hurley and 3 of next weekends football matches.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2018, 02:48:03 PM
As I said this going ahead has ruined a lot of people's "outrage".,
Including 3 here.
How many of those outraged will buy a ticket or make a contribution?
Will Ross or Martin or Griffin?
As J says most talk in GAA circles is now about the hurley and 3 of next weekends football matches.
Most of the talk the week before the AISFs was about how the GAA were gobshites. If you think that was a success you are as daft as usual. It sounds like yesterday's game underwhelmed in terms of attendance too. Telling.
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 02:54:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2018, 02:48:03 PM
As I said this going ahead has ruined a lot of people's "outrage".,
Including 3 here.
How many of those outraged will buy a ticket or make a contribution?
Will Ross or Martin or Griffin?
As J says most talk in GAA circles is now about the hurley and 3 of next weekends football matches.
Most of the talk the week before the AISFs was about how the GAA were gobshites. If you think that was a success you are as daft as usual. It sounds like yesterday's game underwhelmed in terms of attendance too. Telling.
No it didn't. WUM fail.
There was no bad PR! The GAA went against it's rules for the game to happen. If anything it shows that the GAA are becoming more adaptable.
As a person who has as much vested in Soccer as Gaelic football/Hurling at underage. It makes me happy to see old boundaries gradually vanish.
My kids wear Irish Soccer Shirts to Gaelic training and Mayo Jerseys to soccer training! Why? Because they don't see any divide. They just see the game and the connection!
Well done to the GAA again. It's not easy going against old, ingrained values. (I know because i have plenty of old ingrained values).
This is not the end. It's the beginning. There will be similar situations down the road. So the GAA need to get their house in order to deal with this coming down the road. And it will come again because of opening this can of worms. With careful consideration money is there to be made wisely.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
Quote from: Franko on July 30, 2018, 02:57:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 02:54:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2018, 02:48:03 PM
As I said this going ahead has ruined a lot of people's "outrage".,
Including 3 here.
How many of those outraged will buy a ticket or make a contribution?
Will Ross or Martin or Griffin?
As J says most talk in GAA circles is now about the hurley and 3 of next weekends football matches.
Most of the talk the week before the AISFs was about how the GAA were gobshites. If you think that was a success you are as daft as usual. It sounds like yesterday's game underwhelmed in terms of attendance too. Telling.
No it didn't. WUM fail.
Someone wasn't listening to the commentary.. too quick on the trigger and you've managed to embarrass yourself again. I usually leave you on ignore but this was too good an opportunity to pass up.
PUC would definitely be the designated stadium for Munster.
a) Location makes sense for rugby (core support is Limerick/Cork),
b) It has to be paid for,
c) No foreign game savages are getting anywhere near Semple Stadium. :)
I'm sound with the one off game going ahead ,no bother .
But I find it bizzare that there is a feeling in here of a want of a free for all . GAA needs to promote GAA not f**king helping rival organisations at every turn. Absolute freaks some of ye.
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 03:17:15 PM
Quote from: Franko on July 30, 2018, 02:57:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 02:54:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2018, 02:48:03 PM
As I said this going ahead has ruined a lot of people's "outrage".,
Including 3 here.
How many of those outraged will buy a ticket or make a contribution?
Will Ross or Martin or Griffin?
As J says most talk in GAA circles is now about the hurley and 3 of next weekends football matches.
Most of the talk the week before the AISFs was about how the GAA were gobshites. If you think that was a success you are as daft as usual. It sounds like yesterday's game underwhelmed in terms of attendance too. Telling.
No it didn't. WUM fail.
Someone wasn't listening to the commentary.. too quick on the trigger and you've managed to embarrass yourself again. I usually leave you on ignore but this was too good an opportunity to pass up.
What was underwhelming in terms of attendance yesterday? It was over 70,000 I think? That's very healthy for a semi final.
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 03:17:15 PM
Quote from: Franko on July 30, 2018, 02:57:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 02:54:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2018, 02:48:03 PM
As I said this going ahead has ruined a lot of people's "outrage".,
Including 3 here.
How many of those outraged will buy a ticket or make a contribution?
Will Ross or Martin or Griffin?
As J says most talk in GAA circles is now about the hurley and 3 of next weekends football matches.
Most of the talk the week before the AISFs was about how the GAA were gobshites. If you think that was a success you are as daft as usual. It sounds like yesterday's game underwhelmed in terms of attendance too. Telling.
No it didn't. WUM fail.
Someone wasn't listening to the commentary.. too quick on the trigger and you've managed to embarrass yourself again. I usually leave you on ignore but this was too good an opportunity to pass up.
Repeating your mistake and throwing in an attack on me doesn't undo it. If you'd like to post some evidence of your assertion, I'll consider it - but you won't and hence, will continue to be wrong.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Quote from: johnnycool on July 30, 2018, 02:32:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 30, 2018, 01:04:27 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 12:56:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2018, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: currychip on July 28, 2018, 10:08:11 PM
Which full time officials were incompetent?
Exactly.
It must irritate a lot of critics that the GAA Hierarchy and the Liam Miller Committee sorted things out quietly and amicably in a dignified manner.
Amicible and dignified? Seriously?
The whole thing has been a PR catastrophe for the GAA.
Whilst I don't think you are wrong, what impact going forward will this PR disaster have on the GAA?
Will sponsors pull out?
Will the attendances drop?
Unlikely, not to any significant degree and propably not lot. Its more ammo for the usuals.
However the political side has been damaged. Funding model may change and not to the GAA's benefit.
Breheney in the Indo going on a ludicrious rampage against the state hasn't helped either.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
People weren't outraged about the Liam Miller game because they are such huge soccer fans.
If it was just soccer fans, we wouldn't be where we are now.
Look at the example below, which is pretty much the scenario you are describing.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/serious-gaa-and-soccer-fall-out-up-north-as-derry-city-are-sent-to-donegal-105692 (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/serious-gaa-and-soccer-fall-out-up-north-as-derry-city-are-sent-to-donegal-105692)
Plenty of anger on social media, but because it is predominantly coming from Derry City fans, it's not a big story.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2018, 03:36:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 03:17:15 PM
Quote from: Franko on July 30, 2018, 02:57:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 02:54:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2018, 02:48:03 PM
As I said this going ahead has ruined a lot of people's "outrage".,
Including 3 here.
How many of those outraged will buy a ticket or make a contribution?
Will Ross or Martin or Griffin?
As J says most talk in GAA circles is now about the hurley and 3 of next weekends football matches.
Most of the talk the week before the AISFs was about how the GAA were gobshites. If you think that was a success you are as daft as usual. It sounds like yesterday's game underwhelmed in terms of attendance too. Telling.
No it didn't. WUM fail.
Someone wasn't listening to the commentary.. too quick on the trigger and you've managed to embarrass yourself again. I usually leave you on ignore but this was too good an opportunity to pass up.
What was underwhelming in terms of attendance yesterday? It was over 70,000 I think? That's very healthy for a semi final.
The forecasts where higher, AZ. A Dublin AISF could grab 70,000 and still be underwhelming - it's less about the gross and more about what is expected. The fact Cork was one of the two teams involved yesterday should not be ignored either.
70,000 is a massive crowd for a hurling semi final. All the projections I heard during the week were for 60-70,000.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 03:47:48 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Look at the example below, which is pretty much the scenario you are describing.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/serious-gaa-and-soccer-fall-out-up-north-as-derry-city-are-sent-to-donegal-105692 (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/serious-gaa-and-soccer-fall-out-up-north-as-derry-city-are-sent-to-donegal-105692)
Plenty of anger on social media, but because it is predominantly coming from Derry City fans, it's not a big story.
Exactly my point.
Derry's a bit of a bad example as most (of the GAA persuasion) wouldn't want to play a game in Celtic Park anyway - but, since its a bit of a theoretical argument right now, lets say they did.
If the county board did decide to rent out the ground to Derry FC - what happens if the gaelic, hurling and camogie finals are f**ked around to suit the fixtures of the LOI? The social media campaign obviously fell on deaf ears. Would it be any different if it were just the few affected clubs up in arms?
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 03:49:50 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2018, 03:36:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 03:17:15 PM
Quote from: Franko on July 30, 2018, 02:57:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 02:54:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2018, 02:48:03 PM
As I said this going ahead has ruined a lot of people's "outrage".,
Including 3 here.
How many of those outraged will buy a ticket or make a contribution?
Will Ross or Martin or Griffin?
As J says most talk in GAA circles is now about the hurley and 3 of next weekends football matches.
Most of the talk the week before the AISFs was about how the GAA were gobshites. If you think that was a success you are as daft as usual. It sounds like yesterday's game underwhelmed in terms of attendance too. Telling.
No it didn't. WUM fail.
Someone wasn't listening to the commentary.. too quick on the trigger and you've managed to embarrass yourself again. I usually leave you on ignore but this was too good an opportunity to pass up.
What was underwhelming in terms of attendance yesterday? It was over 70,000 I think? That's very healthy for a semi final.
The forecasts where higher, AZ. A Dublin AISF could grab 70,000 and still be underwhelming - it's less about the gross and more about what is expected. The fact Cork was one of the two teams involved yesterday should not be ignored either.
I had no idea what the expected attendance was prior to the game and when I was driving through town yesterday morning I couldn't get over the number of red & green jersies around the place.
This was hours before the game.
Anything over 70,000 is a massive crowd for any sporting event.
I think in general (not you specifically, Syf) we'd do well to stop using the attendances we got during 'the good times' as a benchmark for how good/bad a crowd is.
The country was drowning in cheap money and disposable incomes were way bigger than they are now.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2018, 03:50:56 PM
70,000 is a massive crowd for a hurling semi final. All the projections I heard during the week were for 60-70,000.
Just for shits and giggles I checked the semi final attendances for AIH semi finals over the last 5 years. Football, especially with the Dubs in it, attracts bigger crowds normally.
2017 Semi Finals - Galway v Tipp 68,184; Cork v Waterford 72,022
2016 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Waterford 34,432 (replay 30,058); Tipperary v Galway 54,227
2015 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Waterford 41,112; Tipperary v Galway 58,495
2014 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Limerick 45,478; Cork v Tipperary 68,728
2013 Semi Finals - Dublin v Cork 62,092; Limerick v Clare 62,962
So only the 2017 Semi Final between Cork and Waterford has had more, and that was by less than a thousand.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:58:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 03:47:48 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Look at the example below, which is pretty much the scenario you are describing.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/serious-gaa-and-soccer-fall-out-up-north-as-derry-city-are-sent-to-donegal-105692 (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/serious-gaa-and-soccer-fall-out-up-north-as-derry-city-are-sent-to-donegal-105692)
Plenty of anger on social media, but because it is predominantly coming from Derry City fans, it's not a big story.
Exactly my point.
Derry's a bit of a bad example as most (of the GAA persuasion) wouldn't want to play a game in Celtic Park anyway - but, since its a bit of a theoretical argument right now, lets say they did.
If the county board did decide to rent out the ground to Derry FC - what happens if the gaelic, hurling and camogie finals are f**ked around to suit the fixtures of the LOI? The social media campaign obviously fell on deaf ears. Would it be any different if it were just the few affected clubs up in arms?
From speaking to someone from Co board at the time, Derry City were far too late in applying for CP as a temp home ground.
In reality there are very few games that would have a need for access to GAA grounds. Imagine the Derry City crowd roughly 1500 in Celtic park, would pay them to rent the stadium. Open them up, offer them for rent where it suits with the GAA calendar. There won't be any amount of uptake. Even local club pitches would have no capacity for additional sports.
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 03:49:50 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2018, 03:36:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 03:17:15 PM
Quote from: Franko on July 30, 2018, 02:57:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 02:54:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2018, 02:48:03 PM
As I said this going ahead has ruined a lot of people's "outrage".,
Including 3 here.
How many of those outraged will buy a ticket or make a contribution?
Will Ross or Martin or Griffin?
As J says most talk in GAA circles is now about the hurley and 3 of next weekends football matches.
Most of the talk the week before the AISFs was about how the GAA were gobshites. If you think that was a success you are as daft as usual. It sounds like yesterday's game underwhelmed in terms of attendance too. Telling.
No it didn't. WUM fail.
Someone wasn't listening to the commentary.. too quick on the trigger and you've managed to embarrass yourself again. I usually leave you on ignore but this was too good an opportunity to pass up.
What was underwhelming in terms of attendance yesterday? It was over 70,000 I think? That's very healthy for a semi final.
The forecasts where higher, AZ. A Dublin AISF could grab 70,000 and still be underwhelming - it's less about the gross and more about what is expected. The fact Cork was one of the two teams involved yesterday should not be ignored either.
Do you believe a lot of Cork hurling fans didn't travel yesterday because of how the charity game was handled by the GAA?
I wouldn't know for sure as its hard to quantify but there were more at this years semi-final featuring Cork than there were at last years also featuring Cork.
Might be down to the opposition but I don't think you can make that assertion and back it up with facts.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2018, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2018, 03:50:56 PM
70,000 is a massive crowd for a hurling semi final. All the projections I heard during the week were for 60-70,000.
Just for shits and giggles I checked the semi final attendances for AIH semi finals over the last 5 years. Football, especially with the Dubs in it, attracts bigger crowds normally.
2017 Semi Finals - Galway v Tipp 68,184; Cork v Waterford 72,022
2016 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Waterford 34,432 (replay 30,058); Tipperary v Galway 54,227
2015 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Waterford 41,112; Tipperary v Galway 58,495
2014 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Limerick 45,478; Cork v Tipperary 68,728
2013 Semi Finals - Dublin v Cork 62,092; Limerick v Clare 62,962
So only the 2017 Semi Final between Cork and Waterford has had more, and that was by less than a thousand.
Destroyed I believe is the term......
The motion before Congress has to be worded in such a way that leaves delegates in no doubt that we will go 'this far and no further'.
Initially designate a small number of grounds, and then put in place a system whereby provincial/county boards can apply to have a ground added to the list, after canvassing club delegates.
That way, nobody is being forced into anything (I'm looking at you Ulster!)
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Is this the community aspect you are talking about?
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2018, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2018, 03:50:56 PM
70,000 is a massive crowd for a hurling semi final. All the projections I heard during the week were for 60-70,000.
Just for shits and giggles I checked the semi final attendances for AIH semi finals over the last 5 years. Football, especially with the Dubs in it, attracts bigger crowds normally.
2017 Semi Finals - Galway v Tipp 68,184; Cork v Waterford 72,022
2016 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Waterford 34,432 (replay 30,058); Tipperary v Galway 54,227
2015 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Waterford 41,112; Tipperary v Galway 58,495
2014 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Limerick 45,478; Cork v Tipperary 68,728
2013 Semi Finals - Dublin v Cork 62,092; Limerick v Clare 62,962
So only the 2017 Semi Final between Cork and Waterford has had more, and that was by less than a thousand.
And the truth shall set you free. Yet again Syferus is made look like a fool by the facts. Made even more hilarious by his repeated doubling down on his mistake. Of course, he won't see this post because he has me on ignore (but managed to see my original). ;D ;) He'll see AZ's though.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:38:17 PM
'PR catastrophe' is hyperbole.
Now that the venom has been taken out of the conversation, the only people who will bear a grudge about this going forward are the people who had a grudge before this ever even happened.
And, if it turns out to be a catalyst for change at the next Congress, it will have done the association some service.
All the GAA-related social media chatter today is about how,
a) 'The hurling at the weekend was unbelievable',
and,
b) 'I can't get tickets for Thurles, the GAA are a shambles/disgrace'.
My suspicion is that a lot of the folk talking the good talk about sporting ecumenism last week were actually folk who simply wanted to see 'de gah' given a bloodied nose out of this whole affair.
The fudge that has been arrived at is a pretty outcome given the obstacles.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2018, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2018, 03:50:56 PM
70,000 is a massive crowd for a hurling semi final. All the projections I heard during the week were for 60-70,000.
Just for shits and giggles I checked the semi final attendances for AIH semi finals over the last 5 years. Football, especially with the Dubs in it, attracts bigger crowds normally.
2017 Semi Finals - Galway v Tipp 68,184; Cork v Waterford 72,022
2016 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Waterford 34,432 (replay 30,058); Tipperary v Galway 54,227
2015 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Waterford 41,112; Tipperary v Galway 58,495
2014 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Limerick 45,478; Cork v Tipperary 68,728
2013 Semi Finals - Dublin v Cork 62,092; Limerick v Clare 62,962
So only the 2017 Semi Final between Cork and Waterford has had more, and that was by less than a thousand.
The expected attendance was lower than what actually turned up. I don't really know what bearing other games have on that statement, AZ. The hype Limerick generated from beating Kilkenny and Cork has come off winning Munster made this a very attractive tie on paper.
It's impossible to tell but I wouldn't be surprised if some bandwagon fans in Cork decided to stay at home in part because of this shïtshow.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 30, 2018, 04:20:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Is this the community aspect you are talking about?
Yes, obviously.
Only our embarrassing village eejit could call an attendance of 71,036 at an Irish sporting event "underwhelming ".
It is likely to be the 4th biggest crowd at a sporting event in Ireland in 2018.
I wonder have Liam Miller's former Multi National Employers Manchester United and Celtic contributed anything?
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 05:12:22 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2018, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2018, 03:50:56 PM
70,000 is a massive crowd for a hurling semi final. All the projections I heard during the week were for 60-70,000.
Just for shits and giggles I checked the semi final attendances for AIH semi finals over the last 5 years. Football, especially with the Dubs in it, attracts bigger crowds normally.
2017 Semi Finals - Galway v Tipp 68,184; Cork v Waterford 72,022
2016 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Waterford 34,432 (replay 30,058); Tipperary v Galway 54,227
2015 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Waterford 41,112; Tipperary v Galway 58,495
2014 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Limerick 45,478; Cork v Tipperary 68,728
2013 Semi Finals - Dublin v Cork 62,092; Limerick v Clare 62,962
So only the 2017 Semi Final between Cork and Waterford has had more, and that was by less than a thousand.
The expected attendance was lower than what actually turned up. I don't really know what bearing other games have on that statement, AZ. The hype Limerick generated from beating Kilkenny and Cork has come off winning Munster made this a very attractive tie on paper.
It's impossible to tell but I wouldn't be surprised if some bandwagon fans in Cork decided to stay at home in part because of this shïtshow.
Lol. State of this.
As I said he's a total embarrassment :-[
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 05:12:22 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2018, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2018, 03:50:56 PM
70,000 is a massive crowd for a hurling semi final. All the projections I heard during the week were for 60-70,000.
Just for shits and giggles I checked the semi final attendances for AIH semi finals over the last 5 years. Football, especially with the Dubs in it, attracts bigger crowds normally.
2017 Semi Finals - Galway v Tipp 68,184; Cork v Waterford 72,022
2016 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Waterford 34,432 (replay 30,058); Tipperary v Galway 54,227
2015 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Waterford 41,112; Tipperary v Galway 58,495
2014 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Limerick 45,478; Cork v Tipperary 68,728
2013 Semi Finals - Dublin v Cork 62,092; Limerick v Clare 62,962
So only the 2017 Semi Final between Cork and Waterford has had more, and that was by less than a thousand.
The expected attendance was lower than what actually turned up. I don't really know what bearing other games have on that statement, AZ. The hype Limerick generated from beating Kilkenny and Cork has come off winning Munster made this a very attractive tie on paper.
It's impossible to tell but I wouldn't be surprised if some bandwagon fans in Cork decided to stay at home in part because of this shïtshow.
Straws have been clutched.
You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.
Quote from: Syferus on July 30, 2018, 05:12:22 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2018, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2018, 03:50:56 PM
70,000 is a massive crowd for a hurling semi final. All the projections I heard during the week were for 60-70,000.
Just for shits and giggles I checked the semi final attendances for AIH semi finals over the last 5 years. Football, especially with the Dubs in it, attracts bigger crowds normally.
2017 Semi Finals - Galway v Tipp 68,184; Cork v Waterford 72,022
2016 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Waterford 34,432 (replay 30,058); Tipperary v Galway 54,227
2015 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Waterford 41,112; Tipperary v Galway 58,495
2014 Semi Finals - Kilkenny v Limerick 45,478; Cork v Tipperary 68,728
2013 Semi Finals - Dublin v Cork 62,092; Limerick v Clare 62,962
So only the 2017 Semi Final between Cork and Waterford has had more, and that was by less than a thousand.
The expected attendance was lower than what actually turned up. I don't really know what bearing other games have on that statement, AZ. The hype Limerick generated from beating Kilkenny and Cork has come off winning Munster made this a very attractive tie on paper.
It's impossible to tell but I wouldn't be surprised if some bandwagon fans in Cork decided to stay at home in part because of this shïtshow.
Just some more numbers for the town clown. He won't see them ;) but everyone else will. And that's all that really matters. It would seem that the attendances were similar, if not slightly higher than expected.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/bumper-crowds-expected-at-croke-park-as-hurling-returns-1.3574170
Croke Park is poised for its first properly bumper attendance of the summer - with this weekend's All-Ireland hurling semi-finals set to draw in excess of 120,000 between them.
Sunday's showdown between Munster champions Cork and Limerick (3.30pm) is proving particularly attractive and with 35,000 tickets sold in Limerick already that game now likely to draw over 70,000; All-Ireland champions Galway face Clare in the other semi-final on Saturday evening (5pm) and that game is expected to attract a crowd of over 50,000.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
What about them? Largely irrelevant as far as I can see.
Does that mean that any sporting organisation in receipt of EU funds *have* to rent out their stadia to any group for any amount of money at any time that suits them?
I don't see how that can possibly be legally ensconced within any agreement (between any sporting organisation, not just the GAA).
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 02:15:12 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 30, 2018, 12:37:46 PM
Glad to see the GAA did the right thing, but they do need to be able to make decisions (even if temporary), a little quicker and they do need to shed some of the shackles and mindset of long ago..
Whether they've done the right thing or not will be determined over the next few decades.
The right thing in this instance being disregarding the rules of Congress.
Does this mean the GAA is no longer a democratic organisation?
Does it mean the rules of the GAA are no longer worth the paper they are written on?
While I agree that *in this instance* the majority of members would have been in favour of PUC opening - that might not always be the case - yet now there is precedent for ignoring the rules and doing whatever pleases you.
What if, at some point in the future, a soccer club with a "glamour" European fixture asks the local county board to play the game in the county ground - at a generous rent price. County board says yes - and kicks a couple of underage finals that were meant to be held that night off the county pitch. Is that OK?
Or maybe more worryingly - if clubs that are finding it hard to make ends meet start renting out their grounds to local soccer clubs in the evenings and forcing their own teams off the pitch(es)?
What exactly would the problem be with clubs renting out their premises to whoever they want? What is worrying about it? Why should local GAA units be prevented from makng their own decisions by a draconian, broad brush, inflexible rule?
What exactly would be the problem with the Cork County Board renting out Pairc Ui Chaoimh to Cork City for a European tie, for example, if they play Celtic in the next round of the Europa League, as they would do should Celtic lose to Rosenborg?
I'm not taking about whether it will happen - we all know it won't until Rule 42 is abolished.
I'm talking about
why these things should be prevented.
Why does this rule remain in place?
What is the case for retaining it?
Can you make a positive case for why such a draconian rule should remain in place?
I see no positive case whatsoever.
The only rationale I see from anybody is to "stick one" to other sports.
Nobody will be "kicked off" any GAA pitch because a very occasional fixture in another sport takes place.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 30, 2018, 02:32:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 30, 2018, 01:04:27 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 12:56:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2018, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: currychip on July 28, 2018, 10:08:11 PM
Which full time officials were incompetent?
Exactly.
It must irritate a lot of critics that the GAA Hierarchy and the Liam Miller Committee sorted things out quietly and amicably in a dignified manner.
Amicible and dignified? Seriously?
The whole thing has been a PR catastrophe for the GAA.
Whilst I don't think you are wrong, what impact going forward will this PR disaster have on the GAA?
Will sponsors pull out?
Will the attendances drop?
Who ever said anything about attendances dropping or sponsors pulling out?
I'm really not sure of your point here.
The Jackson/Olding trial was a PR disaster for Ulster and Irish rugby but sponsors didn't pull out and crowds are not going to drop as a result.
The Newbridge fiasco was a PR disaster for the GAA too - Kildare and Mayo supporters were effectively painted as hooligans by the GAA - but interest in the match only heightened as a result.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 30, 2018, 03:33:15 PM
I'm sound with the one off game going ahead ,no bother .
But I find it bizzare that there is a feeling in here of a want of a free for all . GAA needs to promote GAA not f**king helping rival organisations at every turn. Absolute freaks some of ye.
Were you OK with the Rugby World Cup bid including several GAA stadiums?
Were you OK with Croke Park being opened?
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
What about them? Largely irrelevant as far as I can see.
Does that mean that any sporting organisation in receipt of EU funds *have* to rent out their stadia to any group for any amount of money at any time that suits them?
I don't see how that can possibly be legally ensconced within any agreement (between any sporting organisation, not just the GAA).
The conditions of funding of PuC are irrelevant?
You really need to do your homework here
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:58:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 03:47:48 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Look at the example below, which is pretty much the scenario you are describing.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/serious-gaa-and-soccer-fall-out-up-north-as-derry-city-are-sent-to-donegal-105692 (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/serious-gaa-and-soccer-fall-out-up-north-as-derry-city-are-sent-to-donegal-105692)
Plenty of anger on social media, but because it is predominantly coming from Derry City fans, it's not a big story.
Exactly my point.
Derry's a bit of a bad example as most (of the GAA persuasion) wouldn't want to play a game in Celtic Park anyway - but, since its a bit of a theoretical argument right now, lets say they did.
If the county board did decide to rent out the ground to Derry FC - what happens if the gaelic, hurling and camogie finals are f**ked around to suit the fixtures of the LOI? The social media campaign obviously fell on deaf ears. Would it be any different if it were just the few affected clubs up in arms?
League of Ireland fixtures take place on Friday nights and the occasional Monday night from March to October.
Last year's League of Ireland was 33 games so you have either 16 or 17 home games. Throw in a few cup games to bring that to 20.
You think 20 free dates over eight months couldn't have been arranged for one season only?
It's not Brexit they'd have been negotiating.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 04:13:19 PM
The motion before Congress has to be worded in such a way that leaves delegates in no doubt that we will go 'this far and no further'.
Initially designate a small number of grounds, and then put in place a system whereby provincial/county boards can apply to have a ground added to the list, after canvassing club delegates.
That way, nobody is being forced into anything (I'm looking at you Ulster!)
Why would anybody be forced into anything?
The whole point about abolishing Rule 42 is that local GAA units could make their own decisions about their own premises in their own best interests.
Currently, they can't.
They're being
forced to abide by a broad brush, inflexible rule even in situations where it would clearly be in the best interests of both themselves and their local communities.
It's quite similar to the 8th Amendment debate.
Those who advocate the abolition of Rule 42 are proposing choice. Those who advocate it being kept are against choice.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 05:40:04 PM
You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.
Was the reaction to Damien Duff's comments here "pretend outrage"?
Quote from: sid waddell on July 30, 2018, 07:03:31 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 02:15:12 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 30, 2018, 12:37:46 PM
Glad to see the GAA did the right thing, but they do need to be able to make decisions (even if temporary), a little quicker and they do need to shed some of the shackles and mindset of long ago..
Whether they've done the right thing or not will be determined over the next few decades.
The right thing in this instance being disregarding the rules of Congress.
Does this mean the GAA is no longer a democratic organisation?
Does it mean the rules of the GAA are no longer worth the paper they are written on?
While I agree that *in this instance* the majority of members would have been in favour of PUC opening - that might not always be the case - yet now there is precedent for ignoring the rules and doing whatever pleases you.
What if, at some point in the future, a soccer club with a "glamour" European fixture asks the local county board to play the game in the county ground - at a generous rent price. County board says yes - and kicks a couple of underage finals that were meant to be held that night off the county pitch. Is that OK?
Or maybe more worryingly - if clubs that are finding it hard to make ends meet start renting out their grounds to local soccer clubs in the evenings and forcing their own teams off the pitch(es)?
What exactly would the problem be with clubs renting out their premises to whoever they want? What is worrying about it? Why should local GAA units be prevented from makng their own decisions by a draconian, broad brush, inflexible rule?
What exactly would be the problem with the Cork County Board renting out Pairc Ui Chaoimh to Cork City for a European tie, for example, if they play Celtic in the next round of the Europa League, as they would do should Celtic lose to Rosenborg?
I'm not taking about whether it will happen - we all know it won't until Rule 42 is abolished.
I'm talking about why these things should be prevented.
Why does this rule remain in place?
What is the case for retaining it?
Can you make a positive case for why such a draconian rule should remain in place?
I see no positive case whatsoever.
The only rationale I see from anybody is to "stick one" to other sports.
Nobody will be "kicked off" any GAA pitch because a very occasional fixture in another sport takes place.
The rules are there to block two British games Rugby and Soccer! It's a carry over from the ban.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 05:40:04 PM
You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.
Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.
No, I wasn't outraged by Duff's comments.
You really seem to struggle with comprehension.
I explained multiple times why Duff's comments had taken the conversation in a very unhelpful direction.
You could sum up my reaction as, 'We could have done without his comments'.
That's hardly outrage.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 05:13:13 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 30, 2018, 04:20:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Is this the community aspect you are talking about?
Yes, obviously.
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 30, 2018, 07:26:00 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 04:13:19 PM
The motion before Congress has to be worded in such a way that leaves delegates in no doubt that we will go 'this far and no further'.
Initially designate a small number of grounds, and then put in place a system whereby provincial/county boards can apply to have a ground added to the list, after canvassing club delegates.
That way, nobody is being forced into anything (I'm looking at you Ulster!)
Why would anybody be forced into anything?
The whole point about abolishing Rule 42 is that local GAA units could make their own decisions about their own premises in their own best interests.
Currently, they can't.
They're being forced to abide by a broad brush, inflexible rule even in situations where it would clearly be in the best interests of both themselves and their local communities.
It's quite similar to the 8th Amendment debate.
Those who advocate the abolition of Rule 42 are proposing choice. Those who advocate it being kept are against choice.
Whatever about the 8th Amendment ::) the reasoning behind the current rule is clear and logical. Without it, a club could be flooded with new members, who can join simply by paying a modest annual membership fee, and who could then vote to let the club grounds to a competing sporting code.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 05:40:04 PM
You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.
Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.
Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol
Quote from: five points on July 31, 2018, 10:20:08 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 30, 2018, 07:26:00 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 04:13:19 PM
The motion before Congress has to be worded in such a way that leaves delegates in no doubt that we will go 'this far and no further'.
Initially designate a small number of grounds, and then put in place a system whereby provincial/county boards can apply to have a ground added to the list, after canvassing club delegates.
That way, nobody is being forced into anything (I'm looking at you Ulster!)
Why would anybody be forced into anything?
The whole point about abolishing Rule 42 is that local GAA units could make their own decisions about their own premises in their own best interests.
Currently, they can't.
They're being forced to abide by a broad brush, inflexible rule even in situations where it would clearly be in the best interests of both themselves and their local communities.
It's quite similar to the 8th Amendment debate.
Those who advocate the abolition of Rule 42 are proposing choice. Those who advocate it being kept are against choice.
Whatever about the 8th Amendment ::) the reasoning behind the current rule is clear and logical. Without it, a club could be flooded with new members, who can join simply by paying a modest annual membership fee, and who could then vote to let the club grounds to a competing sporting code.
Jaysus. Entryism. The daft excuses get even dafter.
Can you tell me why this isn't happening in any other sporting clubs up and down the country?
What exactly is your problem with local GAA units giving the use of premises as they see fit, ie. in the way Leinster rugby did with Ranelagh Gaels or as Ulster Rugby did for the Anto Finnegan game when the organisers had no stadium to play it in?
Monageer-Boolavogue GAA club in Wexford have admitted to flagrantly breaking the rules of the GAA by giving the use of their premises to others. What do you think should be done about that?
Given that the GAA was set up at a time when landlords were doing immense harm to Irish people, and was set up as the sporting element of a widespread reaction against such, it's deeply ironic that so many "fior gaels" have such a landlord mentality.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 07:47:42 PM
No, I wasn't outraged by Duff's comments.
You really seem to struggle with comprehension.
I explained multiple times why Duff's comments had taken the conversation in a very unhelpful direction.
You could sum up my reaction as, 'We could have done without his comments'.
That's hardly outrage.
Those defending the GAA's stance and clinging to the rulebook are the people who have brought the concept of the projection of "fake outrage" onto others into this thread.
I find that when people do that, it's always an attempt to deflect and to delegitimise the views of those they are debating with, because they know they're losing the debate.
As it is here.
It's a full on Trumpism.
You could say we could have done without that sort of thing.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 31, 2018, 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 05:40:04 PM
You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.
Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.
Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol
If you can't debate on a level above that of a ten year-old, and on the evidence of this thread, you're quite obviously incapable of doing so, my best advice to you would be to stop posting.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 31, 2018, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 31, 2018, 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 05:40:04 PM
You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.
Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.
Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol
If you can't debate on a level above that of a ten year-old, and on the evidence of this thread, you're quite obviously incapable of doing so, my best advice to you would be to stop posting.
Calling you, [and those other 2 windbags] charlatans, is not debating, it is just stating a fact.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 28, 2018, 03:59:25 PM
I have to say congratulations are in order for keyser soze and trailer - on a thread with both Syferus and MR2 posting - you both have been proven to be bigger arseholes than the both of them. Some going - well done.
3 days later - soze still going strong
Time for Sligoman to lock this thread.
If people want to debate the use of GAA property let them open another thread.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 31, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
Can you tell me why this isn't happening in any other sporting clubs up and down the country?
Maybe because most of them haven't gotten a blade of grass to their name. But nip down to the local golf club and ask them can you kick a bit of ball on their turf and you'll be told where to go
Quote from: sid waddell on July 31, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
What exactly is your problem with local GAA units giving the use of premises as they see fit, ie. in the way Leinster rugby did with Ranelagh Gaels or as Ulster Rugby did for the Anto Finnegan game when the organisers had no stadium to play it in?
This isn't really about what I think. As my earlier post states, the GAA has very lax membership rules. Basically anyone can join, for whatever reason. That suits us fine. Many golf clubs require you to be nominated by existing members and there are all sorts of waiting periods and other terms and conditions.
But once you become a GAA member, you have full voting rights in your club. The quid-pro-quo of that is that you're not empowered to make big decisions like the selling of land or renting it to competing sports.
On balance, I think that's fair enough. The alternative could be worse.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 31, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
Monageer-Boolavogue GAA club in Wexford have admitted to flagrantly breaking the rules of the GAA by giving the use of their premises to others. What do you think should be done about that?
Have they? Their facebook account claimed as much, but I haven't seen a club statement confirm that. And its not my job to police them.
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Given that the GAA was set up at a time when landlords were doing immense harm to Irish people, and was set up as the sporting element of a widespread reaction against such, it's deeply ironic that so many "fior gaels" have such a landlord mentality.
::) How many "fior gaels" lock their doors at night?
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 09:51:25 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 05:13:13 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 30, 2018, 04:20:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Is this the community aspect you are talking about?
Yes, obviously.
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.
Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.
You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 31, 2018, 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 05:40:04 PM
You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.
Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.
Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol
You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 31, 2018, 01:42:00 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 31, 2018, 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 05:40:04 PM
You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.
Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.
Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol
You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.
Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.
Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.
I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.
Quote from: five points on July 31, 2018, 01:28:45 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 31, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
Can you tell me why this isn't happening in any other sporting clubs up and down the country?
Maybe because most of them haven't gotten a blade of grass to their name. But nip down to the local golf club and ask them can you kick a bit of ball on their turf and you'll be told where to go
Quote from: sid waddell on July 31, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
What exactly is your problem with local GAA units giving the use of premises as they see fit, ie. in the way Leinster rugby did with Ranelagh Gaels or as Ulster Rugby did for the Anto Finnegan game when the organisers had no stadium to play it in?
This isn't really about what I think. As my earlier post states, the GAA has very lax membership rules. Basically anyone can join, for whatever reason. That suits us fine. Many golf clubs require you to be nominated by existing members and there are all sorts of waiting periods and other terms and conditions.
But once you become a GAA member, you have full voting rights in your club. The quid-pro-quo of that is that you're not empowered to make big decisions like the selling of land or renting it to competing sports.
On balance, I think that's fair enough. The alternative could be worse.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 31, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
Monageer-Boolavogue GAA club in Wexford have admitted to flagrantly breaking the rules of the GAA by giving the use of their premises to others. What do you think should be done about that?
Have they? Their facebook account claimed as much, but I haven't seen a club statement confirm that. And its not my job to police them.
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Given that the GAA was set up at a time when landlords were doing immense harm to Irish people, and was set up as the sporting element of a widespread reaction against such, it's deeply ironic that so many "fior gaels" have such a landlord mentality.
::) How many "fior gaels" lock their doors at night?
Why would anybody want to kick a football on a golf course? Have you got any other red herring deflections?
GAA clubs frequently buy and sell land. How do you think Parnell's sold their land, or Castleknock or acquired their site?
Take Castleknock. Their members were the ones who raised the finances to acquire their site. If, for argument's sake, they wanted to raise extra revenue by sometimes renting it out to other parties, why the hell shouldn't they be able to? It's their site.
If your post is not about what you think, why are you posting?
Can you explain to me how you envisage "hostile actors" infiltrating a club in order to take it over and make decisions that the existing membership don't want to make?
How would it happen? Would it be an organised campaign by the dastardly "soccer crowd"?
In the fantastical scenario you envisage, such a club would end up pretty wealthy from all those juicy extra membership fees and renting out of premises.
Would this be something you lie awake at night worrying about, or are you just scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for fantastical reasons to justify Rule 42?
The reality is that up and down the country, many people are already involved in clubs across different sports. People who play GAA during the summer often play association football or rugby during the winter. Few people who play association football haven't played GAA at some stage, and vice versa. Many of the same people who are involved in GAA clubs are the same people who follow Ireland in association football or rugby or follow Liverpool or Manchester United. Sean Cox for example.
The Monageer-Boolavogue statement was from the chairman of that club. If you have an opinion on Rule 42 or on the Liam Miller match or have a fantastical idea of "entryism" by people involved in other sports, I'm amazed you wouldn't have a view on the chairman of that club stating that they are flagrantly breaking the rules of the GAA and will continue to do so.
Of course I lock my doors at night. Is this another hair-brained attempt at a failed analogy to go with the golf course one and the supermarket one?
You didn't answer the central question. What exactly is the problem with local GAA units giving the use of premises as they see fit, ie. in the way Leinster rugby did with Ranelagh Gaels or as Ulster Rugby did for the Anto Finnegan game when the organisers had no stadium to play it in? Ranelagh would have found things very difficult without such help, and there would have bene no place to play the Anto Finnegan game.
Clubs in other sports are allowed to do so for the benefit of GAA clubs and teams. Why should the GAA not allow its clubs and county boards to do so if they see fit?
What all this about is simple. It's about being good neighbours, creating community, allowing a generosity of spirit to prevail, and basically not acting the dickhead.
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You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.
Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.
Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol
You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.
Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.
Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.
I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.
You are just abusing other posters because you have nothing to add. The tickets for TC and the dinner are long gone, the tickets for PUC are not up yet. There is no fund to pay into. So even your nonsense is nonsense.
I am perfectly entitled to criticise the people 'who do the work' if they do it as badly as they did this week. That doesn't make me an enemy of the GAA. Its a curious attitude that you think it is.
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You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.
Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.
Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol
You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.
Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.
Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.
I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.
You are just abusing other posters because you have nothing to add. The tickets for TC and the dinner are long gone, the tickets for PUC are not up yet. There is no fund to pay into. So even your nonsense is nonsense.
I am perfectly entitled to criticise the people 'who do the work' if they do it as badly as they did this week. That doesn't make me an enemy of the GAA. Its a curious attitude that you think it is.
Well before this thread you had a serious bee in your bonnet about some other issue that didn't meet your high standards. And I am not abusing other posters, I am pointing out facts, unpalatable as they may be to you.
Speaking of facts where did I say you were an enemy of the GAA?
I just pointed out that you are atypical of the lad in every club in the country who makes zero contribution but loudly criticises everything that goes on around him. Though I am sure you don't limit your condemnation solely to GAA matters but can criticise at length other bodies to which you also do not make any contribution.
It appears though that you are not so are not so understanding of others rights to criticise you.
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I have to say congratulations are in order for keyser soze and trailer - on a thread with both Syferus and MR2 posting - you both have been proven to be bigger arseholes than the both of them. Some going - well done.
3 days later - soze still going strong
Hey knob head, i didnt really post on this thread, but sure carry on
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Is this the community aspect you are talking about?
Yes, obviously.
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.
Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.
You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.
Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?
Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?
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You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.
Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.
Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol
You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.
Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.
Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.
I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.
You are just abusing other posters because you have nothing to add. The tickets for TC and the dinner are long gone, the tickets for PUC are not up yet. There is no fund to pay into. So even your nonsense is nonsense.
I am perfectly entitled to criticise the people 'who do the work' if they do it as badly as they did this week. That doesn't make me an enemy of the GAA. Its a curious attitude that you think it is.
It isn't a curious attitude when all you do is criticise the GAA. You haven't posted on one other thread ffs. You're that cancer in a club. An arsehole. Someone who mouths off and has plenty to say, but no time to do anything.
There's nothing in this story. When the GAA was approached through the proper channels and not some informal phone call, they had a number of meetings and accommodated this gather up. It's a great PR story for the GAA. Shows them up for the proud progressive organisation that it is.
You're using this gather up for the family as angle to simply slate the GAA.
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 05:40:04 PM
You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.
Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.
Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol
You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.
Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.
Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.
I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.
You are just abusing other posters because you have nothing to add. The tickets for TC and the dinner are long gone, the tickets for PUC are not up yet. There is no fund to pay into. So even your nonsense is nonsense.
I am perfectly entitled to criticise the people 'who do the work' if they do it as badly as they did this week. That doesn't make me an enemy of the GAA. Its a curious attitude that you think it is.
Well before this thread you had a serious bee in your bonnet about some other issue that didn't meet your high standards. And I am not abusing other posters, I am pointing out facts, unpalatable as they may be to you.
Speaking of facts where did I say you were an enemy of the GAA?
I just pointed out that you are atypical of the lad in every club in the country who makes zero contribution but loudly criticises everything that goes on around him. Though I am sure you don't limit your condemnation solely to GAA matters but can criticise at length other bodies to which you also do not make any contribution.
It appears though that you are not so are not so understanding of others rights to criticise you.
When the criticism is so ridiculous/petty then he has a right to call you out. How do you know what either poster does in his own life. You clearly don't like/want to hear this but in Ireland today as sid pointed out the majority of GAA players/members are not just GAA followers but support/play other sports such as football and/or rugby as well. Is it really such a bad thing that GAA clubs be allowed rent out their facilities to other organisations/sports? I imagine in a lot of cases the funds for local GAA clubhouses/pitches etc were raised thanks to contributions from the local community, many of whom wouldn't be a member of the club. Are you saying they shouldn't be allowed take advantage of the facilities unless they sign up as a member? As an amateur organisation (at local level anyway) community spirit is one of the core tenets of the GAA also in particularly rural areas I'm sure the GAA clubs could use the income.
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 05:40:04 PM
You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.
Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.
Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol
You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.
Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.
Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.
I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.
You are just abusing other posters because you have nothing to add. The tickets for TC and the dinner are long gone, the tickets for PUC are not up yet. There is no fund to pay into. So even your nonsense is nonsense.
I am perfectly entitled to criticise the people 'who do the work' if they do it as badly as they did this week. That doesn't make me an enemy of the GAA. Its a curious attitude that you think it is.
It isn't a curious attitude when all you do is criticise the GAA. You haven't posted on one other thread ffs. You're that cancer in a club. An arsehole. Someone who mouths off and has plenty to say, but no time to do anything.
There's nothing in this story. When the GAA was approached through the proper channels and not some informal phone call, they had a number of meetings and accommodated this gather up. It's a great PR story for the GAA. Shows them up for the proud progressive organisation that it is.
You're using this gather up for the family as angle to simply slate the GAA.
It's quite a leap to claim this has been positive PR for the GAA. Comical Ali would have been proud to issue a statement like that.
It's been a terrible month for the GAA PR wise between this and the Newbridge fiasco. Only a fool would deny that. However that doesn't mean they can't come out stronger for it. If the one benefit of the Liam Miller saga is the relaxing of the archaic Rule 42 and a move towards a position on opening grounds that better reflects the views of the majority in modern Ireland today, then that would be a positive sign of progression.
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You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.
Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.
Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol
You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.
Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.
Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.
I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.
You are just abusing other posters because you have nothing to add. The tickets for TC and the dinner are long gone, the tickets for PUC are not up yet. There is no fund to pay into. So even your nonsense is nonsense.
I am perfectly entitled to criticise the people 'who do the work' if they do it as badly as they did this week. That doesn't make me an enemy of the GAA. Its a curious attitude that you think it is.
It isn't a curious attitude when all you do is criticise the GAA. You haven't posted on one other thread ffs. You're that cancer in a club. An arsehole. Someone who mouths off and has plenty to say, but no time to do anything.
There's nothing in this story. When the GAA was approached through the proper channels and not some informal phone call, they had a number of meetings and accommodated this gather up. It's a great PR story for the GAA. Shows them up for the proud progressive organisation that it is.
You're using this gather up for the family as angle to simply slate the GAA.
It's quite a leap to claim this has been positive PR for the GAA. Comical Ali would have been proud to issue a statement like that.
It's been a terrible month for the GAA PR wise between this and the Newbridge fiasco. Only a fool would deny that. However that doesn't mean they can't come out stronger for it. If the one benefit of the Liam Miller saga is the relaxing of the archaic Rule 42 and a move towards a position on opening grounds that better reflects the views of the majority in modern Ireland today, then that would be a positive sign of progression.
Utter bollocks. Read any of yesterday's papers. GAA all over the back pages. If that's not good PR, I don't know what is. The ordinary everyday GAA is happy with the PUC outcome and especially happy in professional way it has been dealt with.
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 05:40:04 PM
You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.
Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.
Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol
You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.
Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.
Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.
I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.
You are just abusing other posters because you have nothing to add. The tickets for TC and the dinner are long gone, the tickets for PUC are not up yet. There is no fund to pay into. So even your nonsense is nonsense.
I am perfectly entitled to criticise the people 'who do the work' if they do it as badly as they did this week. That doesn't make me an enemy of the GAA. Its a curious attitude that you think it is.
It isn't a curious attitude when all you do is criticise the GAA. You haven't posted on one other thread ffs. You're that cancer in a club. An arsehole. Someone who mouths off and has plenty to say, but no time to do anything.
There's nothing in this story. When the GAA was approached through the proper channels and not some informal phone call, they had a number of meetings and accommodated this gather up. It's a great PR story for the GAA. Shows them up for the proud progressive organisation that it is.
You're using this gather up for the family as angle to simply slate the GAA.
It's quite a leap to claim this has been positive PR for the GAA. Comical Ali would have been proud to issue a statement like that.
It's been a terrible month for the GAA PR wise between this and the Newbridge fiasco. Only a fool would deny that. However that doesn't mean they can't come out stronger for it. If the one benefit of the Liam Miller saga is the relaxing of the archaic Rule 42 and a move towards a position on opening grounds that better reflects the views of the majority in modern Ireland today, then that would be a positive sign of progression.
Utter bollocks. Read any of yesterday's papers. GAA all over the back pages. If that's not good PR, I don't know what is. The ordinary everyday GAA is happy with the PUC outcome and especially happy in professional way it has been dealt with.
Its very early in the day to be on the sauce.
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Is this the community aspect you are talking about?
Yes, obviously.
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.
Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.
You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.
Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?
Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?
Yes, explicitly and unambiguously. To paraphrase, we have no intention of making you share the venue with professional sports/competitors, but you take this money you make the venue available on a reasonable basis for community events. Black and white, so the whole 'we have to go to congress/get legal advise' bit was dubious.
I would be surprised if Gaelic Games, especially underage stuff, aren't accommodated given the lack of decent GAA facilities in Louth in general, Glenn Emmets aside. The question is will a soccer facility be structurally altered at significant cost and capacity reduction to accomodate adult Gaelic Games. Thats a different question.
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 05:40:04 PM
You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to people on social media who threaten to stop buying things, subscribing to things, going to things etc. on the back of the latest thing they're pretending to be outraged about.
Were you not outraged by Duffs comments? Let me guess, thats differenr.
Syferus, Sid and BB are so outraged that they won't make a contribution to the Liam Miller fund lol
You throw up the link to the fund, I'll make a contribution. In the meantime, change the record, you are boring.
Well maybe it is boring pointing out your absolute hypocrisy, on here ad nauseum criticising the GAA for not helping Liam Millar , when you patently do not give a single flying f**k about him or his family, and then getting miffed when someone draws attention to that.
Yourself, Syferus and Sid are just the kind of people who have zero positive input into the GGA as you are too busy criticising the people who do put in the work. There's a load of hoors like ye in every club in the land and you should be called out for your hypocrisy at every available opportunity.
I would have thought a man who knows so much about the intricacies of this situation would be able to find a link to make a contribution, but as I said above you are just the type to sit back and expect someone else to do the work for you.
You are just abusing other posters because you have nothing to add. The tickets for TC and the dinner are long gone, the tickets for PUC are not up yet. There is no fund to pay into. So even your nonsense is nonsense.
I am perfectly entitled to criticise the people 'who do the work' if they do it as badly as they did this week. That doesn't make me an enemy of the GAA. Its a curious attitude that you think it is.
It isn't a curious attitude when all you do is criticise the GAA. You haven't posted on one other thread ffs. You're that cancer in a club. An arsehole. Someone who mouths off and has plenty to say, but no time to do anything.
There's nothing in this story. When the GAA was approached through the proper channels and not some informal phone call, they had a number of meetings and accommodated this gather up. It's a great PR story for the GAA. Shows them up for the proud progressive organisation that it is.
You're using this gather up for the family as angle to simply slate the GAA.
This is pathetic trailer, absolutey cretinous. You don't know the first thing about me, and your inability to check my posting is more proof you are a specimin?
Whats more dangerous to the GAA? Yes men like you abusing Gaels you disagree with or people having a discussion about whether things could have been done better?
Apart from 2 or 3 in this thread the world in general and the GAA have moved on from this subject.
It's been dealt with get over it.
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Is this the community aspect you are talking about?
Yes, obviously.
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.
Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.
You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.
Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?
Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?
Yes, explicitly and unambiguously. To paraphrase, we have no intention of making you share the venue with professional sports/competitors, but you take this money you make the venue available on a reasonable basis for community events. Black and white, so the whole 'we have to go to congress/get legal advise' bit was dubious.
I would be surprised if Gaelic Games, especially underage stuff, aren't accommodated given the lack of decent GAA facilities in Louth in general, Glenn Emmets aside. The question is will a soccer facility be structurally altered at significant cost and capacity reduction to accomodate adult Gaelic Games. Thats a different question.
It's a green field site and if it isn't designed to facilitate adult Gaelic games then it doesn't meet the EU criteria we both espouse.
If the additional cost is deemed prohibitive by the sponsor /sitting tenant then paddle your own canoe.
If you make it only suitable for U12 games then that doesn't cut it IMO.
Louth GAA should be on to Shane Ross and whoever else was hammering the GAA last week for the very same rule infraction.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 31, 2018, 05:27:04 PM
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 31, 2018, 01:41:14 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 09:51:25 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 05:13:13 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 30, 2018, 04:20:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Is this the community aspect you are talking about?
Yes, obviously.
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.
Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.
You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.
Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?
Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?
Yes, explicitly and unambiguously. To paraphrase, we have no intention of making you share the venue with professional sports/competitors, but you take this money you make the venue available on a reasonable basis for community events. Black and white, so the whole 'we have to go to congress/get legal advise' bit was dubious.
I would be surprised if Gaelic Games, especially underage stuff, aren't accommodated given the lack of decent GAA facilities in Louth in general, Glenn Emmets aside. The question is will a soccer facility be structurally altered at significant cost and capacity reduction to accomodate adult Gaelic Games. Thats a different question.
It's a green field site and if it isn't designed to facilitate adult Gaelic games then it doesn't meet the EU criteria we both espouse.
If the additional cost is deemed prohibitive by the sponsor /sitting tenant then paddle your own canoe.
If you make it only suitable for U12 games then that doesn't cut it IMO.
Louth GAA should be on to Shane Ross and whoever else was hammering the GAA last week for the very same rule infraction.
What about adult cricket?
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Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 31, 2018, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 31, 2018, 01:41:14 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 09:51:25 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 05:13:13 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 30, 2018, 04:20:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Is this the community aspect you are talking about?
Yes, obviously.
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.
Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.
You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.
Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?
Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?
Yes, explicitly and unambiguously. To paraphrase, we have no intention of making you share the venue with professional sports/competitors, but you take this money you make the venue available on a reasonable basis for community events. Black and white, so the whole 'we have to go to congress/get legal advise' bit was dubious.
I would be surprised if Gaelic Games, especially underage stuff, aren't accommodated given the lack of decent GAA facilities in Louth in general, Glenn Emmets aside. The question is will a soccer facility be structurally altered at significant cost and capacity reduction to accomodate adult Gaelic Games. Thats a different question.
It's a green field site and if it isn't designed to facilitate adult Gaelic games then it doesn't meet the EU criteria we both espouse.
If the additional cost is deemed prohibitive by the sponsor /sitting tenant then paddle your own canoe.
If you make it only suitable for U12 games then that doesn't cut it IMO.
Louth GAA should be on to Shane Ross and whoever else was hammering the GAA last week for the very same rule infraction.
What about adult cricket?
Not sure of the demand for cricket in Louth, but in principle yes.
Not my rules, it's an EU rule which must be adhered to in the strictest form.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 11:35:53 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 31, 2018, 11:14:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 31, 2018, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 31, 2018, 01:41:14 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 09:51:25 AM
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Quote from: johnnycool on July 30, 2018, 04:20:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Is this the community aspect you are talking about?
Yes, obviously.
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.
Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.
You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.
Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?
Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?
Yes, explicitly and unambiguously. To paraphrase, we have no intention of making you share the venue with professional sports/competitors, but you take this money you make the venue available on a reasonable basis for community events. Black and white, so the whole 'we have to go to congress/get legal advise' bit was dubious.
I would be surprised if Gaelic Games, especially underage stuff, aren't accommodated given the lack of decent GAA facilities in Louth in general, Glenn Emmets aside. The question is will a soccer facility be structurally altered at significant cost and capacity reduction to accomodate adult Gaelic Games. Thats a different question.
It's a green field site and if it isn't designed to facilitate adult Gaelic games then it doesn't meet the EU criteria we both espouse.
If the additional cost is deemed prohibitive by the sponsor /sitting tenant then paddle your own canoe.
If you make it only suitable for U12 games then that doesn't cut it IMO.
Louth GAA should be on to Shane Ross and whoever else was hammering the GAA last week for the very same rule infraction.
What about adult cricket?
Not sure of the demand for cricket in Louth, but in principle yes.
Not my rules, it's an EU rule which must be adhered to in the strictest form.
Cricket is Ireland's fifth most popular field sport. Ireland recently attained test status and have competed at each of the last three World Cups, giving an excellent account of themselves at all three, beating Pakistan, England and the West Indies.
Drogheda is not a million miles away from the cricket heartlands of Fingal.
So, any future publicly-funded playing field facility in Ireland with spectator room, or any existing stadium which is improved with public money, must come with the stipulation that the stadium be able to host cricket?
Is that what we're saying?
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 11:35:53 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 31, 2018, 11:14:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 31, 2018, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 31, 2018, 01:41:14 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 09:51:25 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 05:13:13 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 30, 2018, 04:20:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Is this the community aspect you are talking about?
Yes, obviously.
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.
Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.
You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.
Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?
Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?
Yes, explicitly and unambiguously. To paraphrase, we have no intention of making you share the venue with professional sports/competitors, but you take this money you make the venue available on a reasonable basis for community events. Black and white, so the whole 'we have to go to congress/get legal advise' bit was dubious.
I would be surprised if Gaelic Games, especially underage stuff, aren't accommodated given the lack of decent GAA facilities in Louth in general, Glenn Emmets aside. The question is will a soccer facility be structurally altered at significant cost and capacity reduction to accomodate adult Gaelic Games. Thats a different question.
It's a green field site and if it isn't designed to facilitate adult Gaelic games then it doesn't meet the EU criteria we both espouse.
If the additional cost is deemed prohibitive by the sponsor /sitting tenant then paddle your own canoe.
If you make it only suitable for U12 games then that doesn't cut it IMO.
Louth GAA should be on to Shane Ross and whoever else was hammering the GAA last week for the very same rule infraction.
What about adult cricket?
Not sure of the demand for cricket in Louth, but in principle yes.
Not my rules, it's an EU rule which must be adhered to in the strictest form.
there is a differene between a facility getting a large amount of public funds being available where practical to the broader community and redesigning every sports facility that gets any funding to accomodate a sport that wont share it's grounds. Multi sport does not automatically include anyone.
As has been said, why not replace gaelic games with cricket? This line of argument cost the GAA a million in legal fees 10 years ago. Nothing has changed.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2018, 01:04:35 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 11:35:53 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 31, 2018, 11:14:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 31, 2018, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 31, 2018, 01:41:14 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 31, 2018, 09:51:25 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 05:13:13 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 30, 2018, 04:20:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Is this the community aspect you are talking about?
Yes, obviously.
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.
Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.
You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.
Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?
Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?
Yes, explicitly and unambiguously. To paraphrase, we have no intention of making you share the venue with professional sports/competitors, but you take this money you make the venue available on a reasonable basis for community events. Black and white, so the whole 'we have to go to congress/get legal advise' bit was dubious.
I would be surprised if Gaelic Games, especially underage stuff, aren't accommodated given the lack of decent GAA facilities in Louth in general, Glenn Emmets aside. The question is will a soccer facility be structurally altered at significant cost and capacity reduction to accomodate adult Gaelic Games. Thats a different question.
It's a green field site and if it isn't designed to facilitate adult Gaelic games then it doesn't meet the EU criteria we both espouse.
If the additional cost is deemed prohibitive by the sponsor /sitting tenant then paddle your own canoe.
If you make it only suitable for U12 games then that doesn't cut it IMO.
Louth GAA should be on to Shane Ross and whoever else was hammering the GAA last week for the very same rule infraction.
What about adult cricket?
Not sure of the demand for cricket in Louth, but in principle yes.
Not my rules, it's an EU rule which must be adhered to in the strictest form.
there is a differene between a facility getting a large amount of public funds being available where practical to the broader community and redesigning every sports facility that gets any funding to accomodate a sport that wont share it's grounds. Multi sport does not automatically include anyone.
As has been said, why not replace gaelic games with cricket? This line of argument cost the GAA a million in legal fees 10 years ago. Nothing has changed.
Entirely agree with this statement.
Cork GAA do share their grounds. With the Ladies Gaelic football association and the Camogie Association.
Does that not cover the EU's community aspect coupled with the fact you yourself agree that multi-sport does not automatically include anyone or maybe everyone.
Maybe you'll answer this question when you are at it;
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2018, 08:58:22 AM
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
I don't know if full plans have been lodged so I won't comment on main pitch dimensions. However even a half-arsed outfit like the FAI play the game by announcing that they will have several full sized pitches that are available to all the community. They can point that they have no rules precluding use of the facilities.
Now if the plans when lodged with Louth County Council don't have a sufficiently large pitch and the GAA want to raise this an issue they need to be careful how the handle it.
Louth County Council previously wanted to develop a multi-use facility at Dundalk IT with the GAA on board. The Louth County Board pulled out over concerns of "not wholly owning" a facility they were investing in. They then decided to redevelop of the County Grounds but after 5 years of to'ing and fro'ing they decided not to in April of this year. So that's two developments the council will point to that crashed and burned due to GAA messing about. In the meantime they feel they have lost business to Dublin when Dundalk had big European soccer nights. Twice bitten, they might want to drive on this time without the GAA.
So taken in isolation, I see your point. However, if Louth County Council feels burned by GAA and wants to proceed without them or their requirements I suspect it won't raise much of a whimper.
/Jim.
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it's an EU rule
No it isn't
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which must be adhered to in the strictest form.
No it musn't
I'm only quoting your man from Balbriggan
Well quote me properly. I never said there was an EU rule. I said there was an EU findimg specific to this project.
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Is this the community aspect you are talking about?
Yes, obviously.
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.
Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.
You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.
Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?
Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?
Yes, explicitly and unambiguously. To paraphrase, we have no intention of making you share the venue with professional sports/competitors, but you take this money you make the venue available on a reasonable basis for community events. Black and white, so the whole 'we have to go to congress/get legal advise' bit was dubious.
I would be surprised if Gaelic Games, especially underage stuff, aren't accommodated given the lack of decent GAA facilities in Louth in general, Glenn Emmets aside. The question is will a soccer facility be structurally altered at significant cost and capacity reduction to accomodate adult Gaelic Games. Thats a different question.
It's a green field site and if it isn't designed to facilitate adult Gaelic games then it doesn't meet the EU criteria we both espouse.
If the additional cost is deemed prohibitive by the sponsor /sitting tenant then paddle your own canoe.
If you make it only suitable for U12 games then that doesn't cut it IMO.
Louth GAA should be on to Shane Ross and whoever else was hammering the GAA last week for the very same rule infraction.
What about adult cricket?
Not sure of the demand for cricket in Louth, but in principle yes.
Not my rules, it's an EU rule which must be adhered to in the strictest form.
there is a differene between a facility getting a large amount of public funds being available where practical to the broader community and redesigning every sports facility that gets any funding to accomodate a sport that wont share it's grounds. Multi sport does not automatically include anyone.
As has been said, why not replace gaelic games with cricket? This line of argument cost the GAA a million in legal fees 10 years ago. Nothing has changed.
Entirely agree with this statement.
Cork GAA do share their grounds. With the Ladies Gaelic football association and the Camogie Association.
Does that not cover the EU's community aspect coupled with the fact you yourself agree that multi-sport does not automatically include anyone or maybe everyone.
Maybe you'll answer this question when you are at it;
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
I dont agree that a soccer facility can only be considered to have a community aspect if it is modelled specifically for adult Gaelic games. And nor do you.
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Is this the community aspect you are talking about?
Yes, obviously.
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.
Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.
You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.
Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?
Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?
Yes, explicitly and unambiguously. To paraphrase, we have no intention of making you share the venue with professional sports/competitors, but you take this money you make the venue available on a reasonable basis for community events. Black and white, so the whole 'we have to go to congress/get legal advise' bit was dubious.
I would be surprised if Gaelic Games, especially underage stuff, aren't accommodated given the lack of decent GAA facilities in Louth in general, Glenn Emmets aside. The question is will a soccer facility be structurally altered at significant cost and capacity reduction to accomodate adult Gaelic Games. Thats a different question.
It's a green field site and if it isn't designed to facilitate adult Gaelic games then it doesn't meet the EU criteria we both espouse.
If the additional cost is deemed prohibitive by the sponsor /sitting tenant then paddle your own canoe.
If you make it only suitable for U12 games then that doesn't cut it IMO.
Louth GAA should be on to Shane Ross and whoever else was hammering the GAA last week for the very same rule infraction.
What about adult cricket?
Not sure of the demand for cricket in Louth, but in principle yes.
Not my rules, it's an EU rule which must be adhered to in the strictest form.
there is a differene between a facility getting a large amount of public funds being available where practical to the broader community and redesigning every sports facility that gets any funding to accomodate a sport that wont share it's grounds. Multi sport does not automatically include anyone.
As has been said, why not replace gaelic games with cricket? This line of argument cost the GAA a million in legal fees 10 years ago. Nothing has changed.
Entirely agree with this statement.
Cork GAA do share their grounds. With the Ladies Gaelic football association and the Camogie Association.
Does that not cover the EU's community aspect coupled with the fact you yourself agree that multi-sport does not automatically include anyone or maybe everyone.
Maybe you'll answer this question when you are at it;
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
I dont agree that a soccer facility can only be considered to have a community aspect if it is modelled specifically for adult Gaelic games. And nor do you.
But the rules are the rules are they not?
I don't agree that a GAA facility can only be considered to have a community aspect if it is modelled specifically for soccer games.
The converse should also be true or it's double standards.
So Soccer is a "Community" activity but Gaelic games aren't.?
The GAA can only meet a "Community aspect" if they allow soccer in their grounds but soccer clubs can ensure there won't be Gaelic games in their grounds and that's fine.
And alleged "GAA volunteers" are here pushing that, one at least who has hardly a post on any other subject.
Reminds me a bit of the 6 Cos 1922 to recent years where GAA people paid taxes like everyone else but weren't given any public funds.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 01, 2018, 12:33:28 PM
So Soccer is a "Community" activity but Gaelic games aren't.?
The GAA can only meet a "Community aspect" if they allow soccer in their grounds but soccer clubs can ensure there won't be Gaelic games in their grounds and that's fine.
And alleged "GAA volunteers" are here pushing that, one at least who has hardly a post on any other subject.
Reminds me a bit of the 6 Cos 1922 to recent years where GAA people paid taxes like everyone else but weren't given any public funds.
How could you you possibly come to that conclusion from what i wrote?
How are soccer clubs ensuring there wont be GAA on their grounds? By playing on soccer pitches?
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Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Is this the community aspect you are talking about?
Yes, obviously.
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.
Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.
You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.
Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?
Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?
Yes, explicitly and unambiguously. To paraphrase, we have no intention of making you share the venue with professional sports/competitors, but you take this money you make the venue available on a reasonable basis for community events. Black and white, so the whole 'we have to go to congress/get legal advise' bit was dubious.
I would be surprised if Gaelic Games, especially underage stuff, aren't accommodated given the lack of decent GAA facilities in Louth in general, Glenn Emmets aside. The question is will a soccer facility be structurally altered at significant cost and capacity reduction to accomodate adult Gaelic Games. Thats a different question.
It's a green field site and if it isn't designed to facilitate adult Gaelic games then it doesn't meet the EU criteria we both espouse.
If the additional cost is deemed prohibitive by the sponsor /sitting tenant then paddle your own canoe.
If you make it only suitable for U12 games then that doesn't cut it IMO.
Louth GAA should be on to Shane Ross and whoever else was hammering the GAA last week for the very same rule infraction.
What about adult cricket?
Not sure of the demand for cricket in Louth, but in principle yes.
Not my rules, it's an EU rule which must be adhered to in the strictest form.
there is a differene between a facility getting a large amount of public funds being available where practical to the broader community and redesigning every sports facility that gets any funding to accomodate a sport that wont share it's grounds. Multi sport does not automatically include anyone.
As has been said, why not replace gaelic games with cricket? This line of argument cost the GAA a million in legal fees 10 years ago. Nothing has changed.
Entirely agree with this statement.
Cork GAA do share their grounds. With the Ladies Gaelic football association and the Camogie Association.
Does that not cover the EU's community aspect coupled with the fact you yourself agree that multi-sport does not automatically include anyone or maybe everyone.
Maybe you'll answer this question when you are at it;
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
I dont agree that a soccer facility can only be considered to have a community aspect if it is modelled specifically for adult Gaelic games. And nor do you.
But the rules are the rules are they not?
I don't agree that a GAA facility can only be considered to have a community aspect if it is modelled specifically for soccer games.
The converse should also be true or it's double standards.
Name one GAA ground, anywhere, ever, designed with soccer in mind?
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
I think this is a pretty unique case.
To take the example of the soccer team wanting to use a GAA stadium with a bigger capacity for a competitive game, it wouldn't have anything like the groundswell of support that the Miller charity game has had, and could be easily shot down if necessary.
Who would shoot it down?
If the county board decided to - do you think the social media warriors would wade in supporting the U-14s whose final was that night?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Cancer is in the news every day of the week, so when you refuse access to a stadium for a fundraising game on the basis that 'rules is rules', you're pulling in a massive constituency that has no real interest in sport, but cannot understand why everything is not being done to support a charity game for a young husband and father who died of cancer.
But rules *are* rules - the most recent query on this rule would have been Clare's motion on opening up grounds that were not Croke Park. Defeated by approx 77% to 23%.
The best ad-hoc the GAA could have done would have been a telephone vote of county delegates on a one-off opening of PUC for this game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
As I have said before, congress should separate Croke Park, PUC and a stadium in each of Connacht and Ulster, from the rest of the GAA grounds in the official guide.
Let them run any event they see fit.
If Munster need more capacity for a big European game, let them use PUC.
If Connacht need more capacity, let them use Pearse stadium.
The reality is that there are not a massive amount of big sporting events that would be able to make use of the additional capacity, outside of European Cup rugby games.
That suggestion makes sense. However, to take this case, would PUC have been the designated Munster stadium? Or would it have been Semple Stadium?
What about the rules the GAA agreed with the EU over the funding? You seem to have avoided that
Is this the community aspect you are talking about?
Yes, obviously.
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
If the GAA can't have their cake and eat it (BTW I do agree on multi functional facilities when government funding is used) then neither should the FAI and the IRFU.
Gaelic games, or any other sport, will not be banned from the project. If they can be accommodated they will be. This argument was used in relation to Tallaght and its false.
You are very disingenuously not making a distinction between Rule 42 type bans on sports and a sport not being logistically appropriate in a venue.
Does this European lCommunity requirement make this distinction?
Is there any reason Gaelic games cannot be accommodated on this green field development in Drogheda?
Yes, explicitly and unambiguously. To paraphrase, we have no intention of making you share the venue with professional sports/competitors, but you take this money you make the venue available on a reasonable basis for community events. Black and white, so the whole 'we have to go to congress/get legal advise' bit was dubious.
I would be surprised if Gaelic Games, especially underage stuff, aren't accommodated given the lack of decent GAA facilities in Louth in general, Glenn Emmets aside. The question is will a soccer facility be structurally altered at significant cost and capacity reduction to accomodate adult Gaelic Games. Thats a different question.
It's a green field site and if it isn't designed to facilitate adult Gaelic games then it doesn't meet the EU criteria we both espouse.
If the additional cost is deemed prohibitive by the sponsor /sitting tenant then paddle your own canoe.
If you make it only suitable for U12 games then that doesn't cut it IMO.
Louth GAA should be on to Shane Ross and whoever else was hammering the GAA last week for the very same rule infraction.
What about adult cricket?
Not sure of the demand for cricket in Louth, but in principle yes.
Not my rules, it's an EU rule which must be adhered to in the strictest form.
there is a differene between a facility getting a large amount of public funds being available where practical to the broader community and redesigning every sports facility that gets any funding to accomodate a sport that wont share it's grounds. Multi sport does not automatically include anyone.
As has been said, why not replace gaelic games with cricket? This line of argument cost the GAA a million in legal fees 10 years ago. Nothing has changed.
Entirely agree with this statement.
Cork GAA do share their grounds. With the Ladies Gaelic football association and the Camogie Association.
Does that not cover the EU's community aspect coupled with the fact you yourself agree that multi-sport does not automatically include anyone or maybe everyone.
Maybe you'll answer this question when you are at it;
I see this new stadium in Drogheda is on a green field site owned by Louth County Council. Surely it will need to meet this community requirement and be fit to hold GAA games to get Government funding, no?
I dont agree that a soccer facility can only be considered to have a community aspect if it is modelled specifically for adult Gaelic games. And nor do you.
But the rules are the rules are they not?
I don't agree that a GAA facility can only be considered to have a community aspect if it is modelled specifically for soccer games.
The converse should also be true or it's double standards.
Name one GAA ground, anywhere, ever, designed with soccer in mind?
I'd image it's the same number as soccer grounds designed with GAA in mind.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2018, 01:28:42 PM
I'd image it's the same number as soccer grounds designed with GAA in mind.
Correct. So what exactly are you arguing here?
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Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2018, 01:28:42 PM
I'd image it's the same number as soccer grounds designed with GAA in mind.
Correct. So what exactly are you arguing here?
A few salient points:
1. GAA rules preclude more sports than just soccer.
2. GAA rules preclude other sports from more than just their pitches.
3. No other sporting organization has a written rule precluding other sports from using their facilities.
4. Nothing in the government policy paper states that any particular sport must design with another sport in mind.
5. Policy paper does not propose to preclude any sporting organisation from funding on grounds of single use
6. What the policy paper does state is infrastructure with multi-use and potential for high utilization will receive
priority in funding.
7. The specific clauses related to PuC come from an EU paper. This is because the volume of funding relative to overall sports capital funding program was very high. The government thought based on precedent set they could be accused of granting state aid to one organisation to extent that is provide unfair advantage. The government themselves asked for EU recommendation to avoid a third party raising the case. So this "community" clause is specific to PuC.
8. Looking at last years capital funding the GAA are doing very well relative to other sports.
Based on these points, I don't believe it's disloyal or inappropriate for GAA members to take a discussion on the relative benefit gained from points 1-3 in light of points 4-8. The documents referred to above can be found online:
Sports Policy: http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/files/publications/sport/english/national-sports-policy-2018-2027/national-sports-policy-2018.pdf
EU Ruling on Pairc Ui Chaoimh: http://ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/cases/262741/262741_1832940_137_2.pdf
GAA Official Guide Part 1: https://learning.gaa.ie/sites/default/files/2016%20Official%20Guide%20-%20Part%201%20(1).pdf
Local sports capital allocations 2017: http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/files/publications/sport/english/sports-capital-programme-2017-local-allocations/2017-scp-list-grants-publication.pdf
Non local sports capital allocations 2017: http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/files/publications/sport/english/successful-and-unsuccessful-non-local-applications-sports-capital-programme-2017/successful-regional-projectsallocationssports-capital-programme-2017.pdf
Other sports capital allocations 2017: http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/files/publications/sport/english/2017-special-allocations/special-allocations-2017.pdf
/Jim.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2018, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2018, 01:28:42 PM
I'd image it's the same number as soccer grounds designed with GAA in mind.
Correct. So what exactly are you arguing here?
I'm saying that because Cork GAA availed of Government funding for PuC they can't be forced to open it up to soccer just like Drogheda and Louth CC don't have to make their facilities suit GAA before they too also can avail of Government funding. If one is to be forced to then so must the other. I can see where the high percentage of capital funding may cause problems though and the community aspect was the Irish Government covering themselves for future challenges.
Yes, multi use facilities should receive preference but not being multi use either by pitch dimensions or association rules shouldn't preclude either and saying that a basic soccer pitch supports GAA is just plain bullshit.
If the GAA want to open up their facilities then it should be on their own terms. I personally think they should but only under license from Croke Park using transparent policies and procedures.
Jim,
Those capital funding grants you mention, do they require matched funding by the clubs like some grants here in the North?
I know when the National Lottery funding here in the North was initially rolled out, two prerequisites were matched funding and owning your own premises which meant a lot of the soccer clubs using council facilities and not able to scratch their own arses couldn't avail and a lot of GAA clubs did. This was initially viewed as a perceived GAA bias when it was nothing of the sort.
I've been involved in grants applications with my own club and also challenging our local council on providing a multi functional 3G pitch which was a glorified soccer pitch which we've challenged and will continue to do so, hence some of my irksome responses with people making similar claims on here.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2018, 02:58:50 PM
Jim,
Those capital funding grants you mention, do they require matched funding by the clubs like some grants here in the North?
For a department grant you must match with 5% of the amount you are requesting. (That can be in the form of a cash or a loan approval)
Also at the moment the sharing of facilities has a low weighting in the scoring system. If that was adjusted it could skew matters greatly. Note that the scoring is only awarded if evidence is provided. (ie written agreement or license between particular sports).
I am not giving the figure to portray a bias towards GAA. My point is if you total up the money the GAA get it is a lot and would be hard to replace if jeopardized.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2018, 02:58:50 PM
If the GAA want to open up their facilities then it should be on their own terms. I personally think they should but only under license from Croke Park using transparent policies and procedures.
That would be my view too. I think it's time to develop and publish such policies for the distribution to all clubs for discussion. That way if a vote comes to congress on this (I feel that is inevitable) people have a context for the vote. So when a GAA club or county apply for a grant they will have a standard template and licensing agreement to submit outlining what the terms and conditions of sharing any facilities.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2018, 02:58:50 PM
I'm saying that because Cork GAA availed of Government funding for PuC they can't be forced to open it up to soccer just like Drogheda and Louth CC don't have to make their facilities suit GAA before they too also can avail of Government funding. If one is to be forced to then so must the other. I can see where the high percentage of capital funding may cause problems though and the community aspect was the Irish Government covering themselves for future challenges.
I know you are fond of this example but there are many differences.
1.The GAA voluntarily opened PuC, nobody forced them. The government may have rattled their sabre but remember the GAA claim that they had legal advice that they had fulfilled State Aid requirements.
2. This is about relative priority and share of the money. If the Dundalk come in with signed agreements with local rugby, hockey club, athletics or other community groups it will count for a whole lot more than the dimensions of the playing area. The scoring system, appeals process etc.. for the department is all published and subject to legal review.
3. As you acknowledge, the amount of the government funding for a specific project, relative to overall grants to various organisation determines whether a grant can be considered state aid. Whether or not there is joint ownership is also relevant. That is what brought PuC investment into spotlight. So whether the FAI own the new development in it's entirety and how much money they get will be significant.
So while you may feel that some kind of quid pro-quo between the GAA and soccer (and I can see your point), it just will not really come into play that often.
/Jim.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2018, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2018, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 01, 2018, 01:28:42 PM
I'd image it's the same number as soccer grounds designed with GAA in mind.
Correct. So what exactly are you arguing here?
I'm saying that because Cork GAA availed of Government funding for PuC they can't be forced to open it up to soccer just like Drogheda and Louth CC don't have to make their facilities suit GAA before they too also can avail of Government funding. If one is to be forced to then so must the other. I can see where the high percentage of capital funding may cause problems though and the community aspect was the Irish Government covering themselves for future challenges.
Yes, multi use facilities should receive preference but not being multi use either by pitch dimensions or association rules shouldn't preclude either and saying that a basic soccer pitch supports GAA is just plain bullshit.
If the GAA want to open up their facilities then it should be on their own terms. I personally think they should but only under license from Croke Park using transparent policies and procedures.
Jim,
Those capital funding grants you mention, do they require matched funding by the clubs like some grants here in the North?
I know when the National Lottery funding here in the North was initially rolled out, two prerequisites were matched funding and owning your own premises which meant a lot of the soccer clubs using council facilities and not able to scratch their own arses couldn't avail and a lot of GAA clubs did. This was initially viewed as a perceived GAA bias when it was nothing of the sort.
I've been involved in grants applications with my own club and also challenging our local council on providing a multi functional 3G pitch which was a glorified soccer pitch which we've challenged and will continue to do so, hence some of my irksome responses with people making similar claims on here.
You seem to have deliberately ignored the point. The size of the grant for PuC caused an EU investigation under state funding/competition law. And a condition was opening for community events. If you want 'own terms' cut a cheque for €30m and give it back.
If Louth co co and the FAI get similar conditions do you think they will blink an eye?
Again, if you think from a sports funding persective that rule 42 is the same thing as soccer pitches being smaller you are being stunningly naive or mischievous
Baile Brigín 2 Is your gripe about rule 42? Do you realise there is a perfectly democratic way in which it can be removed?
You'd have to be a paid up GAA Club nember to set that rolling ;)
An effort to overturn 42 a year or 2 ago attracted 24% support.
Quote from: trailer on August 01, 2018, 06:54:01 PM
Baile Brigín 2 Is your gripe about rule 42? Do you realise there is a perfectly democratic way in which it can be removed?
Yes, but i accept that it was defeated recently. My gripe is more however the blatant hypocricy the Milker debacle shone a light on. The right to refuse to shate but insist on sharing other sports grounds.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2018, 07:32:53 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 01, 2018, 06:54:01 PM
Baile Brigín 2 Is your gripe about rule 42? Do you realise there is a perfectly democratic way in which it can be removed?
Yes, but i accept that it was defeated recently. My gripe is more however the blatant hypocricy the Milker debacle shone a light on. The right to refuse to shate but insist on sharing other sports grounds.
When has the GAA insisted on sharing other grounds?
Quote from: trailer on August 01, 2018, 08:13:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2018, 07:32:53 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 01, 2018, 06:54:01 PM
Baile Brigín 2 Is your gripe about rule 42? Do you realise there is a perfectly democratic way in which it can be removed?
Yes, but i accept that it was defeated recently. My gripe is more however the blatant hypocricy the Milker debacle shone a light on. The right to refuse to shate but insist on sharing other sports grounds.
When has the GAA insisted on sharing other grounds?
Tallaght. Landsdowne Road.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2018, 09:01:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 01, 2018, 08:13:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2018, 07:32:53 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 01, 2018, 06:54:01 PM
Baile Brigín 2 Is your gripe about rule 42? Do you realise there is a perfectly democratic way in which it can be removed?
Yes, but i accept that it was defeated recently. My gripe is more however the blatant hypocricy the Milker debacle shone a light on. The right to refuse to shate but insist on sharing other sports grounds.
When has the GAA insisted on sharing other grounds?
Tallaght. Landsdowne Road.
Is this documented somewhere? Sure neither of those grounds are suitable for GAA.
Quote from: trailer on August 01, 2018, 09:40:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2018, 09:01:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 01, 2018, 08:13:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2018, 07:32:53 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 01, 2018, 06:54:01 PM
Baile Brigín 2 Is your gripe about rule 42? Do you realise there is a perfectly democratic way in which it can be removed?
Yes, but i accept that it was defeated recently. My gripe is more however the blatant hypocricy the Milker debacle shone a light on. The right to refuse to shate but insist on sharing other sports grounds.
When has the GAA insisted on sharing other grounds?
Tallaght. Landsdowne Road.
Is this documented somewhere? Sure neither of those grounds are suitable for GAA.
They wanted it for rounders didnt they
Quote from: trailer on August 01, 2018, 09:40:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2018, 09:01:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 01, 2018, 08:13:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2018, 07:32:53 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 01, 2018, 06:54:01 PM
Baile Brigín 2 Is your gripe about rule 42? Do you realise there is a perfectly democratic way in which it can be removed?
Yes, but i accept that it was defeated recently. My gripe is more however the blatant hypocricy the Milker debacle shone a light on. The right to refuse to shate but insist on sharing other sports grounds.
When has the GAA insisted on sharing other grounds?
Tallaght. Landsdowne Road.
Is this documented somewhere? Sure neither of those grounds are suitable for GAA.
Are you being serious?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0814/985007-liam-miller-tribute-match-a-complete-sellout/
45,000 sell-out
Looking forward to the reception Duffer gets!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 15, 2018, 03:05:08 PM
Looking forward to the reception Duffer gets!
I'd imagine he'll get a great reception along with all the other players who volunteered their time.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 15, 2018, 03:05:08 PM
Looking forward to the reception Duffer gets!
Are you expecting anything other than a good reception for him?
I met him a few years ago. He gave up his time to come to meet my eldest fellas football team,all the kids have special needs.
He spent the guts of 2 hours posing for photos with the kids and talking to them. Couldn't meet a nicer fella imo.
So he made a few comments regarding this chairty game,maybe he was right and that's what people don't like about it. The truth hurts sometimes.
Quote from: laoislad on August 16, 2018, 09:30:54 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 15, 2018, 03:05:08 PM
Looking forward to the reception Duffer gets!
Are you expecting anything other than a good reception for him?
I met him a few years ago. He gave up his time to come to meet my eldest fellas football team,all the kids have special needs.
He spent the guts of 2 hours posing for photos with the kids and talking to them. Couldn't meet a nicer fella imo.
So he made a few comments regarding this chairty game,maybe he was right and that's what people don't like about it. The truth hurts sometimes.
I am looking forward to it because he will get a great reception.
Yes I would say his comments were naive and in the heat of the moment and he regrets them thoroughly. There have been enough veiled apologies since from others. Best left at that. Hope this is a great event.
Quote from: rrhf on August 16, 2018, 10:39:21 AM
Yes I would say his comments were naive and in the heat of the moment and he regrets them thoroughly. There have been enough veiled apologies since from others. Best left at that. Hope this is a great event.
His comments were what the common man on the street were thinking! Fair dues to Cork GAA for letting a British game to be played in PUC! The only other place it has been let play is Croker! But sure we all know Croker is British Soil from Lincolnshire. So that British game did not really play on Irish Soil.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 18, 2018, 01:35:20 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 16, 2018, 10:39:21 AM
Yes I would say his comments were naive and in the heat of the moment and he regrets them thoroughly. There have been enough veiled apologies since from others. Best left at that. Hope this is a great event.
His comments were what the common man on the street were thinking! Fair dues to Cork GAA for letting a British game to be played in PUC! The only other place it has been let play is Croker! But sure we all know Croker is British Soil from Lincolnshire. So that British game did not really play on Irish Soil.
Not any more;
https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/agri-food/why-the-gaa-bought-a-700k-farm-36555417.html (https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/agri-food/why-the-gaa-bought-a-700k-farm-36555417.html)
So it's Dublin soil now?
More bias.
Was getting a Cork view on the whole thing at the weekend. Now in fairness these ones are not GAA folk but they ain't happy with how things went.. they wouldnt even be sport people but the vibe wasnt good, they asked me my opinion, from a GAA perspective, and I tried to play a few opinions on it from both sides and it didnt go down well!
So f**k the GAA ;)
Nobody cares what Cork people think about anything.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 20, 2018, 03:14:33 PM
Nobody cares what Cork people think about anything.
Especially non GAA Cork folk ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 20, 2018, 03:05:43 PM
Was getting a Cork view on the whole thing at the weekend. Now in fairness these ones are not GAA folk but they ain't happy with how things went.. they wouldnt even be sport people but the vibe wasnt good, they asked me my opinion, from a GAA perspective, and I tried to play a few opinions on it from both sides and it didnt go down well!
So f**k the GAA ;)
Bet they enjoyed swooning after Prince Charles tho
I'm sure those non-GAA Cork folk will be rolling out the red carpet for Roy Carroll too.
Quote from: NAG1 on August 28, 2018, 04:20:17 PM
I'm sure those non-GAA Cork folk will be rolling out the red carpet for Roy Carroll too.
How many of tbe punters going even know what a Cliftonville is?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 28, 2018, 04:57:26 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 28, 2018, 04:20:17 PM
I'm sure those non-GAA Cork folk will be rolling out the red carpet for Roy Carroll too.
How many of tbe punters going even know what a Cliftonville is?
Kind of proves the general point that a lot of posters on here had on this whole episode in the first place. Uninformed people shouting the loudest.
But hear its all settled now, let them at it.
Quote from: NAG1 on August 29, 2018, 11:56:54 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 28, 2018, 04:57:26 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 28, 2018, 04:20:17 PM
I'm sure those non-GAA Cork folk will be rolling out the red carpet for Roy Carroll too.
How many of tbe punters going even know what a Cliftonville is?
Kind of proves the general point that a lot of posters on here had on this whole episode in the first place. Uninformed people shouting the loudest.
But hear its all settled now, let them at it.
The fact that tbe majority of the punters at the game won't be aware of or care about Carroll being a Linfield player is irrelevant to the bags the GAA made of this