Joe Brolly

[Rossfan]

Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

[Throw ball]

Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

What did i do?

[rosnarun]

since when did it become accepted wisdom that McGuinness invented defensive football.
Mageeney was doing the same thing ain Kildare at the same time.
Not that it needed inventing anyway seeing as its just using soccer tactics to play football nor was it very successful for the Donegal one in a row team

[Fuzzman]

Not successful for Donegal. Are you serious?

They went from not winning a first round game for years to be Ulster champions in 3 out of the last 5 years and AI contenders most years. McGuinness was the first manager to play with 13 men behind the ball for most of the match to make them hard to beat in their first year and then add more attacking variation from there on.

I think Joe's point is that there are too many teams who try to play the Donegal way and can't do it very well.
It's like a smaller soccer club coming to Chelsea top park the bus and try to use damage limitation.

[omagh_gael]

How will history judge this Donegal team? If 2012 is their only AI title then what is the difference with them and Cork in 2010? Surely Jim is no better than Counihan.

[screenexile]

How will history judge this Donegal team? If 2012 is their only AI title then what is the difference with them and Cork in 2010? Surely Jim is no better than Counihan.

Come on now even you know better than that.

Given that Tyrone never beat Donegal in McGuinness' term surely he's proven himself a better manager than Harte!

[Maroon Manc]

Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

Ban handpassing in your own half

[blewuporstuffed]

Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

Ban handpassing in your own half

Sometimes i do despair 

[Beffs]

How will history judge this Donegal team? If 2012 is their only AI title then what is the difference with them and Cork in 2010? Surely Jim is no better than Counihan.

Year 1: 2 pt semifinal loss to the AI champs.
Year 2: AI champs
Year 3: QF loss to beaten AI finalists
Year 4: Beaten AI finalists.

That is a better record than Counihan's imo. Only one county can win the AI every year, so you can't use winning the AI as the sole criteria for judging a managers achievements. If you did, there would be one good manager in the country every year & 31 crap ones. That is an over simplification.

[BennyHarp]

How will history judge this Donegal team? If 2012 is their only AI title then what is the difference with them and Cork in 2010? Surely Jim is no better than Counihan.

Year 1: 2 pt semifinal loss to the AI champs.
Year 2: AI champs
Year 3: QF loss to beaten AI finalists
Year 4: Beaten AI finalists.

That is a better record than Counihan's imo. Only one county can win the AI every year, so you can't use winning the AI as the sole criteria for judging a managers achievements. If you did, there would be one good manager in the country every year & 31 crap ones. That is an over simplification.

Yes, but does it not take an exceptional manager to win more than one?

[smelmoth]

Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

Restrict the numbers in the defensive half. And to support the mark restrict the numbers within 45s at kick outs.

Teams would pay a big price for sendings off via either the red or black cards.

Definitely worth a trial.

Make the jersey pull a black card.

Hand passing has its place. Leave it as is but incentivise teams to kick

[Beffs]

How will history judge this Donegal team? If 2012 is their only AI title then what is the difference with them and Cork in 2010? Surely Jim is no better than Counihan.

Year 1: 2 pt semifinal loss to the AI champs.
Year 2: AI champs
Year 3: QF loss to beaten AI finalists
Year 4: Beaten AI finalists.

That is a better record than Counihan's imo. Only one county can win the AI every year, so you can't use winning the AI as the sole criteria for judging a managers achievements. If you did, there would be one good manager in the country every year & 31 crap ones. That is an over simplification.

Yes, but does it not take an exceptional manager to win more than one?[/.b]

Not necessarily. Given McGuinnesses starting point (no Ulster title in 19 years, no back to back Ulster wins in years, only one AI title in the counties history etc) I think his achievements with that squad over a 4 year term, were exceptional. I was not a fan of his tactics, especially in the first couple of years, but you can't argue with his overall achievements, given the overall context. We haven't even mentioned his ambush job of the Dubs in 2014 either. Did Counihan's Cork ever pull off a win like that, in Croke Park?

[Rossfan]

Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

Restrict the numbers in the defensive half.

How and who would police this?
Who'd be penalised, where would the free be from?
And dont say only nos 1-7 can be in their own half - what about subs  jersey nos??

[smelmoth]

Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

Restrict the numbers in the defensive half.

How and who would police this?
Who'd be penalised, where would the free be from?
And dont say only nos 1-7 can be in their own half - what about subs  jersey nos??

In county football the 4th official. He is on the halfway line and can presumably count.

[Rossfan]

Well said Joe.
So much brain dead throwball boredom
Ban/restrict the fcukn handpassthrow

Restrict the numbers in the defensive half.

How and who would police this?
Who'd be penalised, where would the free be from?
And dont say only nos 1-7 can be in their own half - what about subs  jersey nos??

In county football the 4th official. He is on the halfway line and can presumably count.

Like the lad in Portlaoise
He's the 8th offeeshul actually.