The Many Faces of US Politics...

[nifan]

So what are the true figures stew? is there any evidence that these are fakes?

Is Jack Welch a political commentator? Or just a very wealthy republican.

[Rossfan]

Stew is somethig else 
If "figures" say what he likes then he uses them to back up his arguments.
Then when "figures" dispel his argument it's " You can't beieve those figures".
It seems like all Empires the US one is starting on its end game as it goes broke --- like the USSR, Brits, Romans etc etc. down the centuries.

[J70]

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

2008   5.0   4.9   5.1   5.0   5.4   5.6   5.8   6.1   6.1   6.5   6.8   7.3   
2009   7.8   8.3   8.7   8.9   9.4   9.5   9.5   9.6   9.8   10.0   9.9   9.9   
2010   9.7   9.8   9.8   9.9   9.6   9.4   9.5   9.6   9.5   9.5   9.8   9.4   
2011   9.1   9.0   8.9   9.0   9.0   9.1   9.1   9.1   9.0   8.9   8.7   8.5   
2012   8.3   8.3   8.2   8.1   8.2   8.2   8.3   8.1   7.8               

Over the course of Bushes last year unemployment went up from 4.9% to 7.8%. Less than a year into Obama's term it had maxed out in October 2009 and has been falling slowly since. It is now back down to where it was in Bush's last month January 2009.

Do you actually believe those figures, as one political commentator said this morning "These Chicago guys cannot be trusted" in other words they are political gangsters and his figures simply don't add up.

Oh great. It's not just that he's a Kenyan Muslim with a fake birth cert intent on the destruction of the US, now he's got them producing fake jobs figures!

I'd expect thw right conspiracy theorizing from TO. Stop embarrassing yourself.

[deiseach]

Is Jack Welch a political commentator? Or just a very wealthy republican.

The downsizer-in-chief is now "a political commentator". War is peace...

[The Iceman]

Maybe he didn't have time as they were allocated 2 minutes. Maybe he thought educated people would check the figures and find out and see Romney was blowing smoke. Maybe he understood that these debates won't really change that many people's votes.
Put up your hands lad and  admit you were wrong. For a man who can't even vote you are completely indoctrinated.....

And you Mr liberal are not??? you are one arrogant hombre!

I don't believe any figures out there by either party, you watch CNN and they dole out figures and the one  pro republican news outlet gives completely another. What was interesting is that the Prez never once called Romney out on his numbers, why not??? is he capable of saying "Governor, those figures are wrong" in two minutes? is that two much to ask Iceman?

The job figures are interesting, the majority of these newly created jobs are government jobs according to CNN, a lot of them were also part time jobs out of these new positions.

Then there is the stink over the figures, I dont think he will be able to fudge the figures on November 2nd because the republicans think he is a lying bastid, and he is.

Two minutes my hole, he was running for far longer than that, yer man that hosted the debate let them go for four minutes before he called them out, and still they both droned on.

Should the president not have known the figures??? was that too much to ask of the leader of the USA, I tell you he is a nightmare.

Obamanation will get elected, unlike that liberal p***k redandblack and his missus I wont yap when he is elected again and threaten to go back home, i will suck it up and hate the fact that this tit is going to completely destroy the economy for future generations.

By the way, his running mate, that chube Biden must not even hav e listened to the debate as he is not on the same page with the prez......................... he said they were going to raise one trillion in taxes from the American people despite the prez saying differently, he is a real liability but not to the point were he will cost the prez the election.

I just hope that enough  republicans get the majority of the house/senate to stop Obamacare from raping the economy, by the way, the prez does not even understand it.

Stew I can sit back and see the bigger picture and I'm not swayed by one side or the other. You come on here ranting and raving about politics and are so passionate about it but you can't even vote. It doesn't make much sense to me. There is a bigger world out there than America and other things more important. Maybe you should check the death notices on the board before you go calling names....

[The Iceman]

And for the record I'm very far from Liberal. I actually agree with Republicans on their moral issues, just not their horrible politics. If you paid more attention to conversations instead of throwing mud you would probably know that...

[Hardy]

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

2008   5.0   4.9   5.1   5.0   5.4   5.6   5.8   6.1   6.1   6.5   6.8   7.3   
2009   7.8   8.3   8.7   8.9   9.4   9.5   9.5   9.6   9.8   10.0   9.9   9.9   
2010   9.7   9.8   9.8   9.9   9.6   9.4   9.5   9.6   9.5   9.5   9.8   9.4   
2011   9.1   9.0   8.9   9.0   9.0   9.1   9.1   9.1   9.0   8.9   8.7   8.5   
2012   8.3   8.3   8.2   8.1   8.2   8.2   8.3   8.1   7.8                

Over the course of Bushes last year unemployment went up from 4.9% to 7.8%. Less than a year into Obama's term it had maxed out in October 2009 and has been falling slowly since. It is now back down to where it was in Bush's last month January 2009.

Do you actually believe those figures, as one political commentator said this morning "These Chicago guys cannot be trusted" in other words they are political gangsters and his figures simply don't add up.

I posted this data yesterday. Didn't you notice? They are the official figures from the Bureau Of Labor Statistics not "these Chicago guys".

Romney mentioned 23 Million unemployed or under-employed or having stopped looking for work, relying on people to misinterpret these numbers versus the reality of 12 million unemployed and an INCREASE in the numbers at work in the last two years. And, right on cue, you came on here announcing this as "23 million jobs LOST". That's just about as spectacular a misinterpretation as Romney's spinners could have hoped for.

[Tony Baloney]

Maybe he didn't have time as they were allocated 2 minutes. Maybe he thought educated people would check the figures and find out and see Romney was blowing smoke. Maybe he understood that these debates won't really change that many people's votes.
Put up your hands lad and  admit you were wrong. For a man who can't even vote you are completely indoctrinated.....

And you Mr liberal are not??? you are one arrogant hombre!

I don't believe any figures out there by either party, you watch CNN and they dole out figures and the one  pro republican news outlet gives completely another. What was interesting is that the Prez never once called Romney out on his numbers, why not??? is he capable of saying "Governor, those figures are wrong" in two minutes? is that two much to ask Iceman?

The job figures are interesting, the majority of these newly created jobs are government jobs according to CNN, a lot of them were also part time jobs out of these new positions.

Then there is the stink over the figures, I dont think he will be able to fudge the figures on November 2nd because the republicans think he is a lying bastid, and he is.

Two minutes my hole, he was running for far longer than that, yer man that hosted the debate let them go for four minutes before he called them out, and still they both droned on.

Should the president not have known the figures??? was that too much to ask of the leader of the USA, I tell you he is a nightmare.

Obamanation will get elected, unlike that liberal p***k redandblack and his missus I wont yap when he is elected again and threaten to go back home, i will suck it up and hate the fact that this tit is going to completely destroy the economy for future generations.

By the way, his running mate, that chube Biden must not even hav e listened to the debate as he is not on the same page with the prez......................... he said they were going to raise one trillion in taxes from the American people despite the prez saying differently, he is a real liability but not to the point were he will cost the prez the election.

I just hope that enough  republicans get the majority of the house/senate to stop Obamacare from raping the economy, by the way, the prez does not even understand it.

Did that "liberal p***k" pass away lately or am I thinking of someone else?

[Minder]

Maybe he didn't have time as they were allocated 2 minutes. Maybe he thought educated people would check the figures and find out and see Romney was blowing smoke. Maybe he understood that these debates won't really change that many people's votes.
Put up your hands lad and  admit you were wrong. For a man who can't even vote you are completely indoctrinated.....

And you Mr liberal are not??? you are one arrogant hombre!

I don't believe any figures out there by either party, you watch CNN and they dole out figures and the one  pro republican news outlet gives completely another. What was interesting is that the Prez never once called Romney out on his numbers, why not??? is he capable of saying "Governor, those figures are wrong" in two minutes? is that two much to ask Iceman?

The job figures are interesting, the majority of these newly created jobs are government jobs according to CNN, a lot of them were also part time jobs out of these new positions.

Then there is the stink over the figures, I dont think he will be able to fudge the figures on November 2nd because the republicans think he is a lying bastid, and he is.

Two minutes my hole, he was running for far longer than that, yer man that hosted the debate let them go for four minutes before he called them out, and still they both droned on.

Should the president not have known the figures??? was that too much to ask of the leader of the USA, I tell you he is a nightmare.

Obamanation will get elected, unlike that liberal p***k redandblack and his missus I wont yap when he is elected again and threaten to go back home, i will suck it up and hate the fact that this tit is going to completely destroy the economy for future generations.

By the way, his running mate, that chube Biden must not even hav e listened to the debate as he is not on the same page with the prez......................... he said they were going to raise one trillion in taxes from the American people despite the prez saying differently, he is a real liability but not to the point were he will cost the prez the election.

I just hope that enough  republicans get the majority of the house/senate to stop Obamacare from raping the economy, by the way, the prez does not even understand it.

Did that "liberal p***k" pass away lately or am I thinking of someone else?

His wife did, mrsredandblack.

[Arthur_Friend]

Stew....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RV4K6YHTfg

[J70]

Maybe he didn't have time as they were allocated 2 minutes. Maybe he thought educated people would check the figures and find out and see Romney was blowing smoke. Maybe he understood that these debates won't really change that many people's votes.
Put up your hands lad and  admit you were wrong. For a man who can't even vote you are completely indoctrinated.....

And you Mr liberal are not??? you are one arrogant hombre!

I don't believe any figures out there by either party, you watch CNN and they dole out figures and the one  pro republican news outlet gives completely another. What was interesting is that the Prez never once called Romney out on his numbers, why not??? is he capable of saying "Governor, those figures are wrong" in two minutes? is that two much to ask Iceman?

The job figures are interesting, the majority of these newly created jobs are government jobs according to CNN, a lot of them were also part time jobs out of these new positions.

Then there is the stink over the figures, I dont think he will be able to fudge the figures on November 2nd because the republicans think he is a lying bastid, and he is.

Two minutes my hole, he was running for far longer than that, yer man that hosted the debate let them go for four minutes before he called them out, and still they both droned on.

Should the president not have known the figures??? was that too much to ask of the leader of the USA, I tell you he is a nightmare.

Obamanation will get elected, unlike that liberal p***k redandblack and his missus I wont yap when he is elected again and threaten to go back home, i will suck it up and hate the fact that this tit is going to completely destroy the economy for future generations.

By the way, his running mate, that chube Biden must not even hav e listened to the debate as he is not on the same page with the prez......................... he said they were going to raise one trillion in taxes from the American people despite the prez saying differently, he is a real liability but not to the point were he will cost the prez the election.

I just hope that enough  republicans get the majority of the house/senate to stop Obamacare from raping the economy, by the way, the prez does not even understand it.

I read on several places that 10,000 of them were government jobs. The rest were private sector.

[Eamonnca1]

Lads, please try to avoid feeding the troll. He's not worth it.

[deiseach]

This is shocking:

[heganboy]

You're lying Governor:

thought this was great from the weekend edition of the NY Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/opinion/sunday/dowd-two-presidents-smoking-and-scheming.html

Two Presidents, Smoking and Scheming
By MAUREEN DOWD



AFTER the debate, I was talking to Aaron Sorkin, who was a little down. Or, as he put it, "nonverbal, shouting incoherently at a squirrel, angrier than when the Jets lost to the 49ers last Sunday without ever really being on the field."


Aaron was mollified when he learned that President Obama, realizing things were dire, privately sought the counsel of a former Democratic president known for throwing down in debates. I asked Aaron if he knew how the conversation between the two presidents had gone and, as it happened, he did. This is his account.



•

The lights from the presidential motorcade illuminate a New Hampshire farmhouse at night in the sprawling New England landscape. JED BARTLET steps out onto his porch as the motorcade slows to a stop.

BARTLET (calling out) Don't even get out of the car!

BARACK OBAMA (opening the door of his limo) Five minutes, that's all I want.

BARTLET Were you sleepy?

OBAMA Jed —

BARTLET Was that the problem? Had you just taken allergy medication? General anesthesia?

OBAMA I had an off night.

BARTLET What makes you say that? The fact that the Cheesecake Factory is preparing an ad campaign boasting that it served Romney his pre-debate meal? Law school graduates all over America are preparing to take the bar exam by going to the freakin' Cheesecake Factory!

OBAMA (following Bartlet inside) I can understand why you're upset, Jed.

BARTLET Did your staff let you know the debate was gonna be on television?

OBAMA (looking in the other room) Is that Jeff Daniels?

BARTLET That's Will McAvoy, he just looks like Jeff Daniels.

OBAMA Why's he got Jim Lehrer in a hammerlock?

BARTLET That's called an Apache Persuasion Hold. McAvoy thinks it's the responsibility of the moderator to expose — what are they called? — lies.

WILL (shouting) Did Obama remove the work requirement from Welfare-to-Work?!

LEHRER No!

WILL And you didn't want to ask Romney about that because? It would've been impolite?!

BARTLET Let's go in another room, Mr. President. You want a cigarette?

OBAMA I stopped smoking.

BARTLET Start again. (Leading the way into his study) I'm a father of daughters, you're a father of daughters. It looked to me like right before you went on stage, Sasha told you she likes a boy in her class who has a tattoo.

OBAMA That's not what hap —

BARTLET Here's what you do. You invite the boy over for dinner, you have a couple of fellas from your detail brush their suit coats back just enough so the lad can see the .44 Magnums — problem solved. You have what every father of a daughter dreams of — an army and a good dog.

OBAMA The girls are fine, that wasn't the problem. In the debate prep we —

BARTLET Whoa ... there was prep?

OBAMA (shouting) Enough! (taking a cigarette and lighting it) I appreciate that the view's pretty good from the cheap seats. Gore chalked up my debate performance to the altitude. He debated at sea level — what was his excuse?

BARTLET They told you to make sure you didn't seem condescending, right? They told you, "First, do no harm," and in your case that means don't appear condescending, and you bought it. 'Cause for the American right, condescension is the worst crime you can commit.

OBAMA What's your suggestion?

BARTLET Appear condescending. Now it comes naturally to me —

OBAMA I know.

BARTLET It's a gift, but I'm likable and you're likable enough. Thirty straight months of job growth — blown off. G.M. showing record profits — unmentioned. "Governor, would you still let Detroit go bankrupt as you urged us to do four years ago?" — unasked. (shouting) I'm talkin' to you, too, Lehrer!

WILL (in the other room) I got him, sir!

BARTLET All right! (back to OBAMA) And that was quite a display of hard-nosed, fiscal conservatism when he slashed one one-hundredth of 1 percent from the federal budget by canceling "Sesame Street" and "Downton Abbey." I think we're halfway home. Mr. President, your prep for the next debate need not consist of anything more than learning to pronounce three words: "Governor, you're lying." Let's replay some of Wednesday night's more jaw-dropping visits to the Land Where Facts Go to Die. "I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. I don't have a tax cut of a scale you're talking about."

OBAMA The Tax Policy Center analysis of your proposal for a 20 percent across-the-board tax cut in all federal income tax rates, eliminating the Alternative Minimum Tax, the estate tax and other reductions, says it would be a $5 trillion tax cut.

BARTLET In other words ...

OBAMA You're lying, Governor.

BARTLET "I saw a study that came out today that said you're going to raise taxes by $3,000 to $4,000 on middle-income families."

OBAMA The American Enterprise Institute found my budget actually would reduce the share of taxes that each taxpayer pays to
BARTLET Which is another way of saying ...

OBAMA You're lying, Governor.

BARTLET "I want to take that $716 billion you've cut and put it back into Medicare."

OBAMA The $716 billion I've cut is from the providers, not the beneficiaries. I think that's a better idea than cutting the exact same $716 billion and replacing it with a gift certificate, which is what's contained in the plan that's named for your running mate.

BARTLET "Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan."

OBAMA Not unless you've come up with a new plan since this afternoon.

BARTLET "You doubled the deficit."

OBAMA When I took office in 2009, the deficit was 1.4 trillion. According to the C.B.O., the deficit for 2012 will be 1.1 trillion. Either you have the mathematics aptitude of a Shetland pony or, much more likely, you're lying.

BARTLET "All of the increase in natural gas has happened on private land, not on government land. On government land, your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half."

OBAMA Maybe your difficulty is with the words "half" and "double." Oil production on federal land is higher, not lower. And the oil and gas industry are currently sitting on 7,000 approved permits to drill on government land that they've not yet begun developing.

BARTLET "I think about half the green firms you've invested in have gone out of business."

OBAMA Yeah, your problem's definitely with the word "half." As of this moment there have been 26 recipients of loan guarantees — 23 of which are very much in business. What was Bain's bankruptcy record again?

BARTLET And finally?

OBAMA Governor, if your ideas are the right ideas for our country, if you have a plan and it's the best plan for our future, if your vision is the best vision for all of us and not 53 percent of us, why aren't you able to make that case in the same ZIP code as the truth?

BARTLET And?

OBAMA Tell John Sununu anytime he wants to teach me how to be more American he knows my address for the next four years. He used to have an office there before he was fired.

BARTLET You picked a bad night to have a bad night, that's all. You've got two more chances to change the scoreboard, and Joe unplugged should be pretty good television too. Make Romney your cabana boy in New York.

OBAMA Got it.

BARTLET (taking the cigarette out of OBAMA's hand and stubbing it out) These things'll kill you. Pull McAvoy off Lehrer on your way out.

[Declan]

Enjoyed that