Just read paper from yesterday that Artur Boruc will have armed guards when Poland play N.I next week. What's that all about???
Will/should he bless himself at Windsor park next Saturday?
Personally i think he will bless himself at Windsor as he does before every game but in this instance with the way things are at the minute he should do it in the dressing room away from the crowds.
Surely with all the protection he's getting he's bound to know what sort of reaction he's going to get...
I think he should be able to do it if he wants without any sort of reaction but Hope he's the bigger man here and doesn't!
What do you all think?
I think Boruc needs protection from himself.
He needs to lay off the burgers
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on March 21, 2009, 09:13:54 AM
Just read paper from yesterday that Artur Boruc will have armed guards when Poland play N.I next week. What's that all about???
Will/should he bless himself at Windsor park next Saturday?
Personally i think he will bless himself at Windsor as he does before every game but in this instance with the way things are at the minute he should do it in the dressing room away from the crowds.
Surely with all the protection he's getting he's bound to know what sort of reaction he's going to get...
I think he should be able to do it if he wants without any sort of reaction but Hope he's the bigger man here and doesn't!
What do you all think?
why shouldn't he bless himself if he does it for every match?it's like saying they shouldn't have played god save the queen in croke park in case of offence,although it was a tuff pill to swallow i believe the Irish showed there dignity in respecting it,should the n.ireland crowd not do the same?ifa profess to be anti sectarian so they should except other peoples views and traditions.
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on March 21, 2009, 09:53:12 AM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on March 21, 2009, 09:13:54 AM
Just read paper from yesterday that Artur Boruc will have armed guards when Poland play N.I next week. What's that all about???
Will/should he bless himself at Windsor park next Saturday?
Personally i think he will bless himself at Windsor as he does before every game but in this instance with the way things are at the minute he should do it in the dressing room away from the crowds.
Surely with all the protection he's getting he's bound to know what sort of reaction he's going to get...
I think he should be able to do it if he wants without any sort of reaction but Hope he's the bigger man here and doesn't!
What do you all think?
why shouldn't he bless himself if he does it for every match?it's like saying they shouldn't have played god save the queen in croke park in case of offence,although it was a tuff pill to swallow i believe the Irish showed there dignity in respecting it,should the n.ireland crowd not do the same?ifa profess to be anti sectarian so they should except other peoples views and traditions.
Im on his side here...What i'm saying is that if it saves any trouble he shouldn't..He will come out of it looking better...
Obviously dont know how people will reat - though others have blessed themselves coming on with no problems.
Boruc of course is higher profile, and is certainly a very unpopular figure among rangers fans, who there will be plenty of. I imagine he will get the usual rough touch that visiting keepers get, with a bit extra due to his unpopularity amongst some people.
aye may be so but thats what catholics have been doing for years in this country,"incase we offend our unionist neighbours" yet when the shoe is on the other foot they ram it down our throat and if we show disdain we are told "it's our tradition",.it's ok for healy to play the flute (i know it was only meant as a joke) but if boruc dare to bless himself it is classed as provocation.
I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them. Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.
At that rate i think he should wear a green goalkeeper top white shorts and yellow socks and then bless himself.
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 11:02:17 AM
I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them. Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.
theres no doubt boruc certainly has been provocative towards rangers fans but if he genuinely bless himself before every match why should he not in winsor park?
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on March 21, 2009, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 11:02:17 AM
I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them. Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.
theres no doubt boruc certainly has been provocative towards rangers fans but if he genuinely bless himself before every match why should he not in winsor park?
If he genuinely blesses himself before every match then I don't see any problem with that, but if he does it just to provoke trouble from Rangers and followers of the north of Ireland soccer team then hes wrong.
If he has armed guards with him he could do what ever he like i would say. ;D
o absolutely,if he does it just to provoke he's way out of order (as he has done in the past)but if he genuinely blesses himself coming out of the tunnel i see no problem and in fact i am sure when Spain came to play many of there players blessed themselves,my argument is a player should not have to stop from doing something he does week in week out just because it might offend a few bigots
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on March 21, 2009, 11:48:43 AM
o absolutely,if he does it just to provoke he's way out of order (as he has done in the past)but if he genuinely blesses himself coming out of the tunnel i see no problem and in fact i am sure when Spain came to play many of there players blessed themselves,my argument is a player should not have to stop from doing something he does week in week out just because it might offend a few bigots
Yeah I fully agree, and there will be enough bigots there to give him a hard time. Of course these bigots who care so much about being offended will go out of their way to shout abuse at him!
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 11:02:17 AM
I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them. Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.
He does it in front of every goalposts, every game. If Rangers fans are offended by someone blessing themselves then they shouldn't be allowed inside a f**king stadium.
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on March 21, 2009, 11:48:43 AM
o absolutely,if he does it just to provoke he's way out of order (as he has done in the past)but if he genuinely blesses himself coming out of the tunnel i see no problem and in fact i am sure when Spain came to play many of there players blessed themselves,my argument is a player should not have to stop from doing something he does week in week out just because it might offend a few bigots
Yeah I fully agree, and there will be enough bigots there to give him a hard time. Of course these bigots who care so much about being offended will go out of their way to shout abuse at him!
yeah and some will go out of there way to be offended,just wait for mr campbell to make his feeling known to stephen nolan
Quote from: stibhan on March 21, 2009, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 11:02:17 AM
I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them. Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.
He does it in front of every goalposts, every game. If Rangers fans are offended by someone blessing themselves then they shouldn't be allowed inside a f**king stadium.
Well im sure next time he does it, he will turn hes back towards the Rangers fans and bless himself facing the field so as not to provoke a reaction. I never said there was anything wrong with him blessing himself.
shows that progress hasnt been too far if the north of Ireland fans are going to have a problem or cause problems with Boruc and whatever he does.
Speaks folumes for tony F's pet love ' soccer for all ' !
the scenario changes because the person is of higher profile - oh FFS ::)
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 12:21:33 PM
Quote from: stibhan on March 21, 2009, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 11:02:17 AM
I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them. Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.
He does it in front of every goalposts, every game. If Rangers fans are offended by someone blessing themselves then they shouldn't be allowed inside a f**king stadium.
Well im sure next time he does it, he will turn hes back towards the Rangers fans and bless himself facing the field so as not to provoke a reaction. I never said there was anything wrong with him blessing himself.
Have you ever been in a stadium? If you have, you might realise that it has four sides. No matter where he does it he will be doing it in front of Rangers fans. As a goalkeeper I'm fairly sure why he does it in front of the goalposts as well--it's a bit obvious, isn't it?
It's quite disgusting to see people become apologists for bigots in this day and age.
To be fair Northern Ireland fans has changed for the better over the years they only boo catholics when they go to ibrox now.
Quote from: stibhan on March 21, 2009, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 12:21:33 PM
Quote from: stibhan on March 21, 2009, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 11:02:17 AM
I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them. Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.
He does it in front of every goalposts, every game. If Rangers fans are offended by someone blessing themselves then they shouldn't be allowed inside a f**king stadium.
Well im sure next time he does it, he will turn hes back towards the Rangers fans and bless himself facing the field so as not to provoke a reaction. I never said there was anything wrong with him blessing himself.
Have you ever been in a stadium? If you have, you might realise that it has four sides. No matter where he does it he will be doing it in front of Rangers fans. As a goalkeeper I'm fairly sure why he does it in front of the goalposts as well--it's a bit obvious, isn't it?
It's quite disgusting to see people become apologists for bigots in this day and age.
You know what I mean. When the Rangers fans are behind his goal it would be best that he turns to face the PITCH before he does it, assumig the Rangers fans are behind hes goals of course. I'm sure Boruc would agree, as I dont doubt he is a man of faith, but hes faith does teach not to use prayer as a way to provoke other people nor to use it so as to showoff how religous you are.
If you actually read my earlier comments you would see I'm in no way an apologist for bigots, I have no problem with him blessing himself, as I stated that loads of times. He can bless himself coming on to the pitch or on the pitch itself, just like loads of other players have in the past and will do in the future, just as long as he dosent do it just to provoke others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMMX2r_v9dg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsTZd5BPr6s&feature=related
Spot the difference....
Love the guy shouting in the second clip..."oh you bigot"
Just curious, is it that Rangers fans have something against Boruc, obviously they dont like him, but lets say if another Celtic player were to bless themselves would that be the normal reaction? Obviously there is a huge percentage of their fans who are nothing but bigots, there is no denying that.
well there you are,he does the same thing every match it's only rangers who take offence ::)
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 01:10:38 PM
Just curious, is it that Rangers fans have something against Boruc, obviously they dont like him, but lets say if another Celtic player were to bless themselves would that be the normal reaction? Obviously there is a huge percentage of their fans who are nothing but bigots, there is no denying that.
Maybe he's just the most "high profile" or maybe just closer to the crowd when he does it....Or maybe because he got a reaction the first time he done it and the Celtic fans poke fun at them calling him "the holy goalie" therefore drawing more attention and reaction from it...Who knows I'm not a bigot so its hard to think like one or guess their reasons.
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: stibhan on March 21, 2009, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 12:21:33 PM
Quote from: stibhan on March 21, 2009, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 11:02:17 AM
I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them. Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.
He does it in front of every goalposts, every game. If Rangers fans are offended by someone blessing themselves then they shouldn't be allowed inside a f**king stadium.
Well im sure next time he does it, he will turn hes back towards the Rangers fans and bless himself facing the field so as not to provoke a reaction. I never said there was anything wrong with him blessing himself.
Have you ever been in a stadium? If you have, you might realise that it has four sides. No matter where he does it he will be doing it in front of Rangers fans. As a goalkeeper I'm fairly sure why he does it in front of the goalposts as well--it's a bit obvious, isn't it?
It's quite disgusting to see people become apologists for bigots in this day and age.
You know what I mean. When the Rangers fans are behind his goal it would be best that he turns to face the PITCH before he does it, assumig the Rangers fans are behind hes goals of course. I'm sure Boruc would agree, as I dont doubt he is a man of faith, but hes faith does teach not to use prayer as a way to provoke other people nor to use it so as to showoff how religous you are.
If you actually read my earlier comments you would see I'm in no way an apologist for bigots, I have no problem with him blessing himself, as I stated that loads of times. He can bless himself coming on to the pitch or on the pitch itself, just like loads of other players have in the past and will do in the future, just as long as he dosent do it just to provoke others.
How is he using prayer as a way to provoke people? If your idea of provocation is blessing yourself then you
are being an apologist for bigots. The video clearly shows that Boruc is blessing himself in the same manner he does for every game, home and away. On the continent this isn't even worth commenting on but in Scotland it's a major issue?
There was f**king less comment about Andy Goram wearing a black armband for Billy Wright for f**k's sake.
Quote from: stibhan on March 21, 2009, 03:13:35 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: stibhan on March 21, 2009, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 12:21:33 PM
Quote from: stibhan on March 21, 2009, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 11:02:17 AM
I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them. Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.
He does it in front of every goalposts, every game. If Rangers fans are offended by someone blessing themselves then they shouldn't be allowed inside a f**king stadium.
Well im sure next time he does it, he will turn hes back towards the Rangers fans and bless himself facing the field so as not to provoke a reaction. I never said there was anything wrong with him blessing himself.
Have you ever been in a stadium? If you have, you might realise that it has four sides. No matter where he does it he will be doing it in front of Rangers fans. As a goalkeeper I'm fairly sure why he does it in front of the goalposts as welt's a bit obvious, isn't it?
It's quite disgusting to see people become apologists for bigots in this day and age.
You know what I mean. When the Rangers fans are behind his goal it would be best that he turns to face the PITCH before he does it, assumig the Rangers fans are behind hes goals of course. I'm sure Boruc would agree, as I dont doubt he is a man of faith, but hes faith does teach not to use prayer as a way to provoke other people nor to use it so as to showoff how religous you are.
If you actually read my earlier comments you would see I'm in no way an apologist for bigots, I have no problem with him blessing himself, as I stated that loads of times. He can bless himself coming on to the pitch or on the pitch itself, just like loads of other players have in the past and will do in the future, just as long as he dosent do it just to provoke others.
How is he using prayer as a way to provoke people? If your idea of provocation is blessing yourself then you are being an apologist for bigots. The video clearly shows that Boruc is blessing himself in the same manner he does for every game, home and away. On the continent this isn't even worth commenting on but in Scotland it's a major issue?
There was f**king less comment about Andy Goram wearing a black armband for Billy Wright for f**k's sake.
Of course religion could be used to provoke, but if he does it in ever game then fair enough.
Your right it shouldn't be a major issue in Scotland, but when you have so many bigots on both sides of the Old Firm then nothing really surprises me.
Quote from: stibhan on March 21, 2009, 03:13:35 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: stibhan on March 21, 2009, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 12:21:33 PM
Quote from: stibhan on March 21, 2009, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 11:02:17 AM
I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them. Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.
He does it in front of every goalposts, every game. If Rangers fans are offended by someone blessing themselves then they shouldn't be allowed inside a f**king stadium.
Well im sure next time he does it, he will turn hes back towards the Rangers fans and bless himself facing the field so as not to provoke a reaction. I never said there was anything wrong with him blessing himself.
Have you ever been in a stadium? If you have, you might realise that it has four sides. No matter where he does it he will be doing it in front of Rangers fans. As a goalkeeper I'm fairly sure why he does it in front of the goalposts as well--it's a bit obvious, isn't it?
It's quite disgusting to see people become apologists for bigots in this day and age.
You know what I mean. When the Rangers fans are behind his goal it would be best that he turns to face the PITCH before he does it, assumig the Rangers fans are behind hes goals of course. I'm sure Boruc would agree, as I dont doubt he is a man of faith, but hes faith does teach not to use prayer as a way to provoke other people nor to use it so as to showoff how religous you are.
If you actually read my earlier comments you would see I'm in no way an apologist for bigots, I have no problem with him blessing himself, as I stated that loads of times. He can bless himself coming on to the pitch or on the pitch itself, just like loads of other players have in the past and will do in the future, just as long as he dosent do it just to provoke others.
How is he using prayer as a way to provoke people? If your idea of provocation is blessing yourself then you are being an apologist for bigots. The video clearly shows that Boruc is blessing himself in the same manner he does for every game, home and away. On the continent this isn't even worth commenting on but in Scotland it's a major issue?
There was f**king less comment about Andy Goram wearing a black armband for Billy Wright for f**k's sake.
Erm haven't you noticed the issues with sectarianism and religious intolerance in Scotland? Ref. Gazza playing the flute, Goram's connection with loyalism, singing of "party tunes" at club events by representatives of both Celtic and Rangers. So yes it's hardly surprising it is commented on.
Boruc is entitled to bless himself before the match, but if he deliberately uses it to antagonise opposition fans it cheapens any religious symbolism he attachs to it.
how anyone is offended is beyond me, but being offended is something that comes easy to sports fans, typically the ones giving the worst abuse.
I hope boric doesn't get any more abuse than any other visiting goalie (usualy the get booed on every touch) and I certainly hope the blessing won't cause a reaction, but I think some gob shites will gurn.
Quote from: nifan on March 21, 2009, 03:38:52 PM
how anyone is offended is beyond me, but being offended is something that comes easy to sports fans, typically the ones giving the worst abuse.
I hope boric doesn't get any more abuse than any other visiting goalie (usualy the get booed on every touch) and I certainly hope the blessing won't cause a reaction, but I think some gob shites will gurn.
The usual suspects on here will be gutted if he doesn't get booed though. Maybe Fearon will don the green and white of Norn Iron (again ;)) to sneak in and boo him so he has something to write to the papers about.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 21, 2009, 03:34:57 PM
Quote from: stibhan on March 21, 2009, 03:13:35 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: stibhan on March 21, 2009, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 12:21:33 PM
Quote from: stibhan on March 21, 2009, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 21, 2009, 11:02:17 AM
I could be wrong here, but did this lad "The Holy Goalie" not walk over towards the Rangers fans one day and bless himself right in front of them. Theres a huge difference between blessing yourself because its what you do and believe in and doing so just to provoke a reaction out of other fans.
He does it in front of every goalposts, every game. If Rangers fans are offended by someone blessing themselves then they shouldn't be allowed inside a f**king stadium.
Well im sure next time he does it, he will turn hes back towards the Rangers fans and bless himself facing the field so as not to provoke a reaction. I never said there was anything wrong with him blessing himself.
Have you ever been in a stadium? If you have, you might realise that it has four sides. No matter where he does it he will be doing it in front of Rangers fans. As a goalkeeper I'm fairly sure why he does it in front of the goalposts as well--it's a bit obvious, isn't it?
It's quite disgusting to see people become apologists for bigots in this day and age.
You know what I mean. When the Rangers fans are behind his goal it would be best that he turns to face the PITCH before he does it, assumig the Rangers fans are behind hes goals of course. I'm sure Boruc would agree, as I dont doubt he is a man of faith, but hes faith does teach not to use prayer as a way to provoke other people nor to use it so as to showoff how religous you are.
If you actually read my earlier comments you would see I'm in no way an apologist for bigots, I have no problem with him blessing himself, as I stated that loads of times. He can bless himself coming on to the pitch or on the pitch itself, just like loads of other players have in the past and will do in the future, just as long as he dosent do it just to provoke others.
How is he using prayer as a way to provoke people? If your idea of provocation is blessing yourself then you are being an apologist for bigots. The video clearly shows that Boruc is blessing himself in the same manner he does for every game, home and away. On the continent this isn't even worth commenting on but in Scotland it's a major issue?
There was f**king less comment about Andy Goram wearing a black armband for Billy Wright for f**k's sake.
Erm haven't you noticed the issues with sectarianism and religious intolerance in Scotland? Ref. Gazza playing the flute, Goram's connection with loyalism, singing of "party tunes" at club events by representatives of both Celtic and Rangers. So yes it's hardly surprising it is commented on.
Boruc is entitled to bless himself before the match, but if he deliberately uses it to antagonise opposition fans it cheapens any religious symbolism he attachs to it.
You are complaining about political intolerance. Boruc is a Polish Catholic--he's a little bit more removed from all of that than the likes of Gazza, Goram et al, who all knew what they were doing.
I think you can more or less take it for granted that those who sing rebel songs and things like that are attempting to antagonise people--those who bless themselves, however, are entitled to do so.
It will be interesting to see how the Brazil NI fans react, I'm sure he'll get a few jeers and that will be the end of it. I think its wise for any Polish national to enter loyalist south Belfast with some kind of protection :P
awful thread
Quote from: Chrisowc on March 22, 2009, 10:31:47 AM
awful thread
Why?? Not like to hear the truth?
Somethings are just indefensible!
About how and why a footballer has to have a armed guard when he comes here and just because he happens to be a practicing Catholic who's biggest crime is blessing himself in front of 50,000 bigots.
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on March 22, 2009, 11:16:28 AM
About how and why a footballer has to have a armed guard when he comes here and just because he happens to be a practicing Catholic who's biggest crime is blessing himself in front of 50,000 bigots.
So where did you read about this 'armed guard'? When the team gets a police escort from their hotel to the stadium they will have armed guards.
Personally, I couldn't give a f**k if he was a member of the Church of Maradona or a Jedi Knight, so if he chooses to bless himself fair play to him. Whatever floats his boat.
He is the Holy Goalie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsTZd5BPr6s&feature=related
Quote from: Chrisowc on March 22, 2009, 11:39:16 AM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on March 22, 2009, 11:16:28 AM
About how and why a footballer has to have a armed guard when he comes here and just because he happens to be a practicing Catholic who's biggest crime is blessing himself in front of 50,000 bigots.
So where did you read about this 'armed guard'? When the team gets a police escort from their hotel to the stadium they will have armed guards.
Personally, I couldn't give a f**k if he was a member of the Church of Maradona or a Jedi Knight, so if he chooses to bless himself fair play to him. Whatever floats his boat.
Hardly an 'awful thread' though- it was mentioned in the papers and its fair game for discussion... obviously sensible people will wait until there are any incidents (I hope their isn't) before we condemn NI fans or even a minority of them. Personally I think a minority will give him more booing and verbal abuse that other players (having been encouraged to do so by one of their players lets not forget) and some NI fans will probably be a bit embarassed by this.
Where is Tony? Shocked that he didn't start this thread and even more shocked he hasn't been on to put his considerable weight behind it.
Quote from: Rav67 on March 22, 2009, 11:55:12 AM
Quote from: Chrisowc on March 22, 2009, 11:39:16 AM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on March 22, 2009, 11:16:28 AM
About how and why a footballer has to have a armed guard when he comes here and just because he happens to be a practicing Catholic who's biggest crime is blessing himself in front of 50,000 bigots.
So where did you read about this 'armed guard'? When the team gets a police escort from their hotel to the stadium they will have armed guards.
Personally, I couldn't give a f**k if he was a member of the Church of Maradona or a Jedi Knight, so if he chooses to bless himself fair play to him. Whatever floats his boat.
Hardly an 'awful thread' though- it was mentioned in the papers and its fair game for discussion... obviously sensible people will wait until there are any incidents (I hope their isn't) before we condemn NI fans or even a minority of them. Personally I think a minority will give him more booing and verbal abuse that other players (having been encouraged to do so by one of their players lets not forget) and some NI fans will probably be a bit embarassed by this.
So it's ear plugs he needs rather than a 'Ring of Steel'
I've been at plenty Ireland soccer games in Lansdowne Rd where Rangers players playing for their country are booed everytime they touch the ball..
There is as many bigots go to Ireland soccer games as N.Ireland games
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 22, 2009, 12:03:19 PM
Where is Tony? Shocked that he didn't start this thread and even more shocked he hasn't been on to put his considerable weight behind it.
You always have plenty to say about Tony...Whats he got to do with it?
I started the thread and if you read the first post you will see that I said I hope he doesn't bless himself....
If you have nothing constructive to add then don't comment about someone else who hasn't posted in the thread, while at the same time trying to poke fun at him!
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 22, 2009, 12:21:43 PM
I've been at plenty Ireland soccer games in Lansdowne Rd where Rangers players playing for their country are booed everytime they touch the ball..
There is as many bigots go to Ireland soccer games as N.Ireland games
Did their FA need to hire armed guards to protect them?
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on March 22, 2009, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 22, 2009, 12:21:43 PM
I've been at plenty Ireland soccer games in Lansdowne Rd where Rangers players playing for their country are booed everytime they touch the ball..
There is as many bigots go to Ireland soccer games as N.Ireland games
Did their FA need to hire armed guards to protect them?
Who exactly is he allegedly being protected from?
Lunatic's....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1163337/Poland-hire-security-firm-Celtic-keeper-Borucs-trip-Belfast.html?ITO=1490
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on March 22, 2009, 01:01:20 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 22, 2009, 12:03:19 PM
Where is Tony? Shocked that he didn't start this thread and even more shocked he hasn't been on to put his considerable weight behind it.
You always have plenty to say about Tony...Whats he got to do with it?
I started the thread and if you read the first post you will see that I said I hope he doesn't bless himself....
If you have nothing constructive to add then don't comment about someone else who hasn't posted in the thread, while at the same time trying to poke fun at him!
Why shouldnt he bless himself?
If it helps keep the peace and prevents any trouble...
How depressing and pathetic that someone blessing themselves causes such discussion and possible security fears! ffs.
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on March 22, 2009, 01:17:38 PM
If it helps keep the peace and prevents any trouble...
Aye sure let the bigots win.
I would imagine the majority of N.Ireland fans would have the same opinion as Chrisowc and not give two fucks if he blesses himself or not.
Unfortunately you will always get a minority in every crowd,usually this minority don't know the first thing about the sport they are watching,as I said I have seen it in Lansdowne plenty of times
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 22, 2009, 01:24:52 PM
I would imagine the majority of N.Ireland fans would have the same opinion as Chrisowc and not give two f**ks if he blesses himself or not.
Unfortunately you will always get a minority in every crowd,usually this minority don't know the first thing about the sport they are watching,as I said I have seen it in Lansdowne plenty of times
Probably most don't care..My sisters b/f is a N.I fan and is going to the game....He says all the keepers get abuse but Boruc will get more from the bigot's at the match because he play's for Celtic and will get more again if he blesses himself.....
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 22, 2009, 01:24:52 PM
I would imagine the majority of N.Ireland fans would have the same opinion as Chrisowc and not give two f**ks if he blesses himself or not.
Unfortunately you will always get a minority in every crowd,usually this minority don't know the first thing about the sport they are watching,as I said I have seen it in Lansdowne plenty of times
When was the last time a rangers player got booed at LR? 2002?
when boos turned to cheers :)
The issue is that the talk of Boruc and the Polish team receiving "maximum security", whatever that means.
"Poland's football federation, along with the Northern Irish FA, have assured Boruc and Co they will receive maximum security before, during and after the game."
Does maximum security mean any more security than what a visiting team/player would normally get?
At least there is progress, they will not be throwing abuse at their own players
A complete non-story but the link provided does at least contain some comedy value -
The Polish FA could hire a team of gun-toting guards
Authorities in Boruc's homeland are now set to recruit top security firm, Agencja Zubrzycki, whose owner, Sylwester Zubrzycki, said: 'We will be prepared for anything that comes our way.
Ok then...Why should they even have to consider having more security?
In case he blesses himself? That,s why i didn't go to mass this morning...Hadn't the money to hire security!!
Has the guards thing been reported in a reputable paper?
I see today in the times Feeny has said he didnt say the quotes attributed to him - though bizarely he did say he told the journalist to make a few quotes for him thinking it would be the usual banal shite you get.
Hes a tube for doing that anyway.
Says he has been in touch with Boruc via willo flood, and boruc has said not to worry about it.
Also claims his brother in law is a big celtic fan - must be a lie we have all been told what his family is like.
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on March 22, 2009, 02:00:19 PM
Ok then...Why should they even have to consider having more security?
In case he blesses himself? That,s why i didn't go to mass this morning...Hadn't the money to hire security!!
You didn't go to mass incase Borat blesses himself next week? A sad state of affairs.
He could be worried about coming here because a Polish national was gunned down recently in the 'heightened sectarian tension' I suppose Polish footballers could be considered collaberators of the jack boot regime by recognising partition and playing a game against the statelet ::)
I think he should bless himself, recite the rossary and do a little jig while surrounded by a team of sharp shooting polish snipers.
Has anyone any word on Pat McCourts injury?
Only that it has ruled him out of the NI squad stiffler.
Had heard that his season was over, but havent seen it corroborated anywhere
Quote from: nifan on March 22, 2009, 05:04:32 PM
Has the guards thing been reported in a reputable paper?
I see today in the times Feeny has said he didnt say the quotes attributed to him - though bizarely he did say he told the journalist to make a few quotes for him thinking it would be the usual banal shite you get.
Hes a tube for doing that anyway.
Says he has been in touch with Boruc via willo flood, and boruc has said not to worry about it.
Also claims his brother in law is a big celtic fan - must be a lie we have all been told what his family is like.
Ah, the old bard of dunclug defence. Someone was pretending to be me.
Well I would anticipate that the journalist will either have to make an apology or will insist that feeny did indeed say it. Unlike the bard case we know thta there was at least another person involved ;)
Quote from: stiffler on March 22, 2009, 08:31:19 PM
Has anyone any word on Pat McCourts injury?
Afaik it's his back he has done in.
Personally I think he's done a Samson and got the hair chopped!
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 24, 2009, 11:46:14 AM
Quote from: stiffler on March 22, 2009, 08:31:19 PM
Has anyone any word on Pat McCourts injury?
Afaik it's his back he has done in.
Personally I think he's done a Samson and got the hair chopped!
A Derry man off work with a sore back? Theres a shock ::) ::), do Celtic pay DLA??
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 24, 2009, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 24, 2009, 11:46:14 AM
Quote from: stiffler on March 22, 2009, 08:31:19 PM
Has anyone any word on Pat McCourts injury?
Afaik it's his back he has done in.
Personally I think he's done a Samson and got the hair chopped!
A Derry man off work with a sore back? Theres a shock ::) ::), do Celtic pay DLA??
Shame doogie, next you'll be asking did Celtic provide kennels for Pat and Nialls greyhounds! ;)
Cue comment on Naka.
Hang on lads at least 30-40% of us derry wans are not off on the sick on any given day.
Quote from: nifan on March 24, 2009, 12:31:44 PM
Hang on lads at least 30-40% of us derry wans are not off on the sick on any given day.
Sure are you not an official free stater now nifan? ;)
Not unless someone moved Belfast and never told me GDA!
Quote from: nifan on March 24, 2009, 01:36:30 PM
Not unless someone moved Belfast and never told me GDA!
Thought you were still in Louth?
Nah, had the house there, but thanks be to god never moved down :)
She harbours ambitions but i will resist!
Quote from: nifan on March 24, 2009, 02:24:06 PM
Nah, had the house there, but thanks be to god never moved down :)
She harbours ambitions but i will resist!
Forget it man - just accept your fate.
RE Artur Boruc i mind reading an interview from him he was saying that he doesnt enjoy watching football outside of work!!!
He sees playing football as a job and never looks at results of other teams!
I remember Nakata saying the same thing a few years ago longball. Was quite surprising as most of us love watching sport.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 24, 2009, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 24, 2009, 11:46:14 AM
Quote from: stiffler on March 22, 2009, 08:31:19 PM
Has anyone any word on Pat McCourts injury?
Afaik it's his back he has done in.
Personally I think he's done a Samson and got the hair chopped!
A Derry man off work with a sore back? Theres a shock ::) ::), do Celtic pay DLA??
i know they do in portadown..
Quote from: longball on March 24, 2009, 05:00:04 PM
RE Artur Boruc i mind reading an interview from him he was saying that he doesnt enjoy watching football outside of work!!!
He sees playing football as a job and never looks at results of other teams!
Chris Sutton said he never watches much soccer either, prefers the cricket. Paul Telfer was the strangest, I heard a quote from him that he actually hates football! This was while he was a pro footballer. He said he never ever watches a game, he was just always getting picked for teams and thought he may as well make a good living out of it.
As for Boruc, I thought he was a big Legia Warsaw fan?
Drove through Sandy Row this morning and painted on a wall - Boruc RIP
Where's the condemnation?
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 25, 2009, 09:34:58 AM
Drove through Sandy Row this morning and painted on a wall - Boruc RIP
Where's the condemnation?
Hadnt heard that GDA.
Absolute scumbags, who I hope are nowhere near the stadium come Saturday.
Quote from: nifan on March 25, 2009, 09:45:55 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 25, 2009, 09:34:58 AM
Drove through Sandy Row this morning and painted on a wall - Boruc RIP
Where's the condemnation?
Hadnt heard that GDA.
Absolute scumbags, who I hope are nowhere near the stadium come Saturday.
Actually painted on the main road on a wall close to Reids shoe shop.
Quote from: nifan on March 22, 2009, 05:04:32 PM
Has the guards thing been reported in a reputable paper?
I see today in the times Feeny has said he didnt say the quotes attributed to him - though bizarely he did say he told the journalist to make a few quotes for him thinking it would be the usual banal shite you get.
Hes a tube for doing that anyway.
Says he has been in touch with Boruc via willo flood, and boruc has said not to worry about it.
Also claims his brother in law is a big celtic fan - must be a lie we have all been told what his family is like.
If Feeny didn't say the quotes then he should consider suing the newspaper involved. Looking at what has happened to Neil Lennon in Glasgow on more than one occasion, it only takes one nutter to attack Feeny walking down the street and blame the quotes wrongly attributed to him. If the 'journalist' involved did in fact 1. misquote Feeny and 2. make up quotes (very inflammatory quotes at that) then they should lose their job
Feeny is an eejit anyway if he told a journalist to make up a few quotes about an upcoming game.
Id be interested in how common that is - probably not that often or we might get some more interesting quotes than the usual shite
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 25, 2009, 09:55:24 AM
Quote from: nifan on March 25, 2009, 09:45:55 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 25, 2009, 09:34:58 AM
Drove through Sandy Row this morning and painted on a wall - Boruc RIP
Where's the condemnation?
Hadnt heard that GDA.
Absolute scumbags, who I hope are nowhere near the stadium come Saturday.
Actually painted on the main road on a wall close to Reids shoe shop.
I got my confirmation shoes there ;D
It's been in the paper.
I will almost certainly be writing to our sporting and culture minister in light of this, absolutely disgraceful. I'm no Fearon but whenever Gregory Campbell goes on about the GAA having to appease the unionist community I can't f**king stand any of this and will make sure he knows it. Where's the condemnation from our great minister of culture?!
What did Feeny say/allegedly say?
Cant find any links?
QuoteI got my confirmation shoes there
Quote from: stibhan on March 27, 2009, 01:07:13 PM
It's been in the paper.
I will almost certainly be writing to our sporting and culture minister in light of this, absolutely disgraceful. I'm no Fearon but whenever Gregory Campbell goes on about the GAA having to appease the unionist community I can't f**king stand any of this and will make sure he knows it. Where's the condemnation from our great minister of culture?!
Thats a bit harsh on Stephenite. I mean, perhaps its the only place where they had his shoe size?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/death-threat-to-celtic-star-boruc-before-windsor-game-14245780.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/death-threat-to-celtic-star-boruc-before-windsor-game-14245780.html)
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Polish groups in Northern Ireland have appealed for Northern Ireland football fans to show "sportsmanship and camaraderie" after sinister death threat graffiti appeared on a Belfast wall targeting Celtic goalkeeper Artur Boruc.
The Northern Ireland Supporters Club chairman has mirrored the call as Northern Ireland and Poland prepare to play a vital World Cup qualifier tomorrow evening at Windsor Park.
'Boruc RIP' was emblazoned on a wall at Sandy Row and there are fears that the Poland goalkeeper could be given a hostile reception during Saturday's match.
Boruc has long been a controversial figure for Rangers fans. In August 2006, he made religious signs during the Old Firm game. And in April 2008, he donned a T-shirt thrown from the Parkhead crowd, bearing an image of Pope John-Paul II and the message 'God Bless The Pope'.
Maciek Bator, a director of the Polish Association in Belfast asked fans "to look beyond club football" and for both sets of supporters to back their team "respect one another and enjoy the night".
Mr Bator added: "There is nothing the Polish residents in Northern Ireland want more than to integrate with the indigenous community, and the match is an ideal opportunity to enjoy an important occasion together. We love our football, as do the Northern Ireland fans. We know that Boruc was silly in some of his antics in matches against Rangers, but we do not want that to spill over and spoil this great occasion. We want the fans to be positive and sporting in their approach. We know that the graffiti is the work of a few and that most Northern Ireland fans will also view it as such."
Gary McAllister, chairman of the Amalgamation of NI Supporters Clubs, said: "The graffiti should not have happened, and let's concentrate on football and cheer on our team and forget about side issues.
"Northern Ireland is faced with two vital matches — against Poland on Saturday night and Slovenia on Wednesday — and they are must-win games if they are to qualify for South Africa. That's all that matters."
Northern Ireland are second in the Group Three table on seven points, behind Slovakia who have nine. Poland are third and Slovenia are fifth, both also on seven points, but have played just four games each, one fewer than Northern Ireland.
A spokesman for the Sandy Row Rangers Supporters Club dismissed the graffiti as "probably the work of kids — the height of nonsense, to be disregarded".
He added: "I see they at least spelt Boruc's name correctly, so I suppose that's progress!"
The whole thing has not been helped by the Belfast Telegraph during the week saying that Boruc is the player that everyone loves to hate outside of Parkhead (or wherever they play their soccer). The paper had no business in devoting a page to this topic.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/bhoy-to-beat-celticrsquos-boruc-can-be-the-man-to-end-the-dream-14241244.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/bhoy-to-beat-celticrsquos-boruc-can-be-the-man-to-end-the-dream-14241244.html)
Quote from: Orior on March 27, 2009, 01:25:37 PM
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/death-threat-to-celtic-star-boruc-before-windsor-game-14245780.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/death-threat-to-celtic-star-boruc-before-windsor-game-14245780.html)
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Gary McAllister, chairman of the Amalgamation of NI Supporters Clubs, said: "The graffiti should not have happened, and let's concentrate on football and cheer on our team and forget about side issues.
"Northern Ireland is faced with two vital matches — against Poland on Saturday night and Slovenia on Wednesday — and they are must-win games if they are to qualify for South Africa. That's all that matters."
"But I'll be fecked if that Fenian bastard thinks he can buy a house anywhere near mine", continued Mr McAllister enthusiastically. Probably.
How that man remains as spokeperson for the ANISC is beyond me.
Quote from: full back on March 27, 2009, 01:12:09 PM
What did Feeny say/allegedly say?
Cant find any links?
He quoted as urging the owc "to turn Windsor Park into a mini Ibrox" in order to rattle Boruc ... you can imagine the sectarian shite we'll have to listen to from the terraces tomorrow ... then again, we're always being told by owc that Windsor isn't like that anymore, so maybe we're in for a pleasant surprise
Some of the original quote
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/dundee-united/2009/03/03/dundee-united-ace-warren-feeney-in-wind-up-call-over-artur-boruc-86908-21167580/ (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/dundee-united/2009/03/03/dundee-united-ace-warren-feeney-in-wind-up-call-over-artur-boruc-86908-21167580/)
It was the sunday times where i read him saying the quotes where not his etc, but havent a link to it.
(http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00084/bor1_84521d.jpg)
Similar welcome as Lennon got...must be a celtic greeting :-\
Quote from: stiffler on March 27, 2009, 06:42:20 PM
(http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00084/bor1_84521d.jpg)
Similar welcome as Lennon got...must be a celtic greeting :-\
Legend Pat Praises Sandy Row Community Centre for Positive Action
Northern Ireland Goalkeeping legend, Pat Jennings, today praised the community in Sandy Row and in particular the young people from the Sandy Row Community Centre for the quick response they took removing sickening graffiti in relation to the Polish Goalkeeper Artur Boruc.
The sinister words, "Boruc RIP", appeared on walls in the Sandy Row area of South Belfast on Thursday ahead of the Northern Ireland V Poland World Cup qualifier at Windsor Park on Saturday. However young people from Sandy Row were quick to paint over the graffiti and condemn the culprit responsible for it.
Samuel Hillerby from the Sandy Row Youth Association said, "Whoever did this graffiti does not represent our community and is no Northern Ireland Football Fan. We painted over this because we want to welcome all the Polish Fans to Belfast and we want to make sure we show our community in the right light. We will be keeping an eye on the area to make sure there is no repeat".
Northern Ireland Football legend Pat Jennings, said, "I would like to praise the Sandy Row Community Forum, all the Volunteers at the Sandy Row Community Centre and in particular the young Northern Ireland Fans from the area who were instrumental in painting over this sinister graffiti. The IFA's Community Relations team has informed me of the good cross community and intercultural work that goes on in the area and I wanted to add my support to those people who are taking such positive action. The young people who ensured this sickening graffiti was painted out are a credit to their community and as true Northern Ireland Football Fans we value their support".
Quote from: Evil Genius on March 27, 2009, 10:46:25 PM
Quote from: stiffler on March 27, 2009, 06:42:20 PM
(http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00084/bor1_84521d.jpg)
Similar welcome as Lennon got...must be a celtic greeting :-\
Legend Pat Praises Sandy Row Community Centre for Positive Action
Northern Ireland Goalkeeping legend, Pat Jennings, today praised the community in Sandy Row and in particular the young people from the Sandy Row Community Centre for the quick response they took removing sickening graffiti in relation to the Polish Goalkeeper Artur Boruc.
The sinister words, "Boruc RIP", appeared on walls in the Sandy Row area of South Belfast on Thursday ahead of the Northern Ireland V Poland World Cup qualifier at Windsor Park on Saturday. However young people from Sandy Row were quick to paint over the graffiti and condemn the culprit responsible for it.
Samuel Hillerby from the Sandy Row Youth Association said, "Whoever did this graffiti does not represent our community and is no Northern Ireland Football Fan. We painted over this because we want to welcome all the Polish Fans to Belfast and we want to make sure we show our community in the right light. We will be keeping an eye on the area to make sure there is no repeat".
Northern Ireland Football legend Pat Jennings, said, "I would like to praise the Sandy Row Community Forum, all the Volunteers at the Sandy Row Community Centre and in particular the young Northern Ireland Fans from the area who were instrumental in painting over this sinister graffiti. The IFA's Community Relations team has informed me of the good cross community and intercultural work that goes on in the area and I wanted to add my support to those people who are taking such positive action. The young people who ensured this sickening graffiti was painted out are a credit to their community and as true Northern Ireland Football Fans we value their support".
If you go about 1ft each side of this photo you can see both goal posts!!!
I thought that was really a goal that was painted in...Is my eye sight going???
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=140299715&albumID=17536&imageID=12600829
He really does love the Pope he's not just winding people up....Also just noticed when i looked at this thread the views were 1690....Is this a omen??
Quote from: Evil Genius on March 27, 2009, 10:46:25 PM
Quote from: stiffler on March 27, 2009, 06:42:20 PM
(http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00084/bor1_84521d.jpg)
Similar welcome as Lennon got...must be a celtic greeting :-\
Legend Pat Praises Sandy Row Community Centre for Positive Action
Northern Ireland Goalkeeping legend, Pat Jennings, today praised the community in Sandy Row and in particular the young people from the Sandy Row Community Centre for the quick response they took removing sickening graffiti in relation to the Polish Goalkeeper Artur Boruc.
The sinister words, "Boruc RIP", appeared on walls in the Sandy Row area of South Belfast on Thursday ahead of the Northern Ireland V Poland World Cup qualifier at Windsor Park on Saturday. However young people from Sandy Row were quick to paint over the graffiti and condemn the culprit responsible for it.
Samuel Hillerby from the Sandy Row Youth Association said, "Whoever did this graffiti does not represent our community and is no Northern Ireland Football Fan. We painted over this because we want to welcome all the Polish Fans to Belfast and we want to make sure we show our community in the right light. We will be keeping an eye on the area to make sure there is no repeat".
Northern Ireland Football legend Pat Jennings, said, "I would like to praise the Sandy Row Community Forum, all the Volunteers at the Sandy Row Community Centre and in particular the young Northern Ireland Fans from the area who were instrumental in painting over this sinister graffiti. The IFA's Community Relations team has informed me of the good cross community and intercultural work that goes on in the area and I wanted to add my support to those people who are taking such positive action. The young people who ensured this sickening graffiti was painted out are a credit to their community and as true Northern Ireland Football Fans we value their support".
yeah- paint over your problems and they will disappear ::)
what would you suggest be done here stiffler?
Not paint over it? Leave it sitting there.
I really dont understand your complaint in this case
Bit of trouble in the city centre?
9 arrested. Mostly Poles. Have the NI fans met their match?
"I walked by Wetherspoon's and when I got to the front door the Polish ones were throwing chairs through the windows, beating people up and just wrecking the place," said one eye witness.
(from BBC)
You could say that on any given day!
Passed about 30 Poles on the Malone Road there about half an hour ago and they seemed a colourful peaceable bunch (well in so far as any group of soccer people can seem peaceable).
A mate of mine was in wetherspoons when it kicked off, apparently the poles stormed the place and where throwing bottles and chairs at the ni fans. He was a little shaken up.
Same guy went up to hunters then, and saw some ni fans attacking random polish fans wqalking past - so the police had to divert the poles to not walk down lisburn road - absolutely disgraceful.
I saw some polish fans come up tates avenue and there was some good natured banter from the ni fans to them - "who are you" etc, but some **** through a bottle at them, and it near hit me as i was making my way to the ground. A bit of an altercation ensued which i got out of ASAP.
I have since come home and will be watching from here. I am not interested in that shite, which as usual was a minority, but was more prevelant than at any game ive been at in many years.
It has annoyed me so much I am missing my first competative game at windsor park for at least 9 years.
Some start for Boruc! :o
whilst not everyone in the stadium is booing boruc hes still getting a fairly hostile reception.as expected but yet still a disgrace,you gotta love loyalist windsor!!!
Surprisingly, given the atmosphere before the game, boruc is getting no worse than any other keeper does at windsor.
If you think hes getting worse you shoul check some of our previous games - every touch by the keeper is always jeered, and every kick out gets "oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you fat bastard", no matter who the keeper is.
nothing to do with the fact he plays for celtic ::).id say mark robson gets a hard on every time boruc is booed,hes loving it!
Quote from: nifan on March 28, 2009, 05:01:38 PM
A mate of mine was in wetherspoons when it kicked off, apparently the poles stormed the place and where throwing bottles and chairs at the ni fans. He was a little shaken up.
Same guy went up to hunters then, and saw some ni fans attacking random polish fans wqalking past - so the police had to divert the poles to not walk down lisburn road - absolutely disgraceful.
I saw some polish fans come up tates avenue and there was some good natured banter from the ni fans to them - "who are you" etc, but some **** through a bottle at them, and it near hit me as i was making my way to the ground. A bit of an altercation ensued which i got out of ASAP.
I have since come home and will be watching from here. I am not interested in that shite, which as usual was a minority, but was more prevelant than at any game ive been at in many years.
It has annoyed me so much I am missing my first competative game at windsor park for at least 9 years.
You wouldnt get that kind of thing at a GAA game Nifan ;)
Still it's sad that a long standing follower of a team(even NEI) is forced to abandon ship and go home because of that sort of carry on.
Another post on a soccer thread rossfan ;)
get in there!!!now for 3 or 4 more :D
i suppose the change accidentally slipped out of someones pocket there,or a polish fan threw it from the far side of the ground....
Jesus they are a credit to their team! ::)
Quote from: Tommy Tight Lips on March 28, 2009, 05:45:22 PM
i suppose the change accidentally slipped out of someones pocket there,or a polish fan threw it from the far side of the ground....
You didn't expect anything else did you ??
Is the term tight lips supposed to be ironic?
Rossfan - I was just so annoyed at what I was seeing after all the time and effort people have put in to ensure matches are fun, family events. I was sickened and just didnt want to attend.
Ive heard a lot of stuff going on, and some of our fans and some polish fans need dealt with severly.
Boruc having a mare by the way. Hes luck not to have cost them a few more already.
i expected the abuse for boruc but i was naive enough to think the object throwing days were over :-[
boruc is having a mare surely.ironic it isnt.a dig at a friend of mines actually.he was at the ni game there but came home,feared for his safety ;)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 28, 2009, 05:41:14 PM
Another post on a soccer thread rossfan ;)
Why arent you on your way to despoil our Holy Ground with the rest of the "greatest fans in the World" ;D
Quote from: Tommy Tight Lips on March 28, 2009, 05:45:22 PM
i suppose the change accidentally slipped out of someones pocket there,or a polish fan threw it from the far side of the ground....
ah now lads its one idiot with a 10 pence piece, he does'nt speak for the magnificent masses of the best supporters in the world ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: The Subbie on March 28, 2009, 05:57:27 PM
Quote from: Tommy Tight Lips on March 28, 2009, 05:45:22 PM
i suppose the change accidentally slipped out of someones pocket there,or a polish fan threw it from the far side of the ground....
ah now lads its one idiot with a 10 pence piece, he does'nt speak for the magnificent masses of the best supporters in the world ::) ::) ::)
He doesnt. The majority of fans dont get involved in such shite.
He certainly doesnt speak for me.
forensics have found polish DNA amongst the OWC fans ::)
What's the score?
And don't say TommyTightLips 1 Nifan 1
1each.OWC should be a few up.1each,im coasting to victory!
Quote from: Tommy Tight Lips on March 28, 2009, 06:11:36 PM
1each,im coasting to victory!
Nonsense, you got one for your forensic one which was quite good, not sure about the rest :P
we can let the others decide!
2-1 evans :-\
Ah FFS! :(
Decent game strangely enough with NI the better team so far
Good to see Evans get a goal
The Polish defence is brutal, under pressure even when there is no-one near them although Feeny is working his balls off
The 'best supporters in the world' arent covering themselves in glory thats for sure
With the paintings, the fighting, bottle throwing, coin throwing it is more than a minority thats for sure
Belfast would be a tasty spot to be out & about in tonight :-\
BTW, is that Robson & Armstrong commentating?
They must be sick of pulling their wabs in the studio by now, I pity the poor cleaners when they leave.
The are f**king terrible & as impartial as you will ever see. Now I know it is difficult to keep your neutrality but it is ridiculous FFS >:(
"artur boruc,ur a w**ker,ur a w**ker" the best fans in the world passionately sing.wonder wheres got a bigger capacity,windsor,falkirk or inverness??
3-1 to the team with the 'greatest supporters in the world'
Back pass bounces over Boruc's foot
OG FFS
:D >:(
More sh1te from the commentators "that is great to see" ::)
The commentators are brutal - they always are on these games.
I could be sick.
Know a few NI supporters like yourself nifan who are decent
Pity there are so many w4nkers that follow them as well
boruc totally brutal.i would say this is mark robsons idea of hardcore porn!!!a celtic keeper having a game like this!think he referred to him as charlie chaplin!!
So a Czech-Slovenia draw would be a huge help to NI
How many advance from each group?
only the top team qualifies automatically.all the runners up in each group bar the runner up with the least points qualify for a playoff
Had been giving ni fans benefit of the doubt but hav showed they havnt changed a bit plenty of red white and blue and abusing the Celtic player, what ever anyone says they won't convince me that it's anything other than sectarian!firing stuff at players and officials is nice too
Polish fans are no angels but I have to say the abuse directed at Boruc is uncalled for. The Sky commentator is a tube, straight out of the Jackie Fullerton book of 5hit3 talk >:(
Quote from: lfdown2 on March 28, 2009, 06:47:51 PM
Had been giving ni fans benefit of the doubt but hav showed they havnt changed a bit plenty of red white and blue and abusing the Celtic player, what ever anyone says they won't convince me that it's anything other than sectarian!firing stuff at players and officials is nice too
I dont se that much read white and blue. Plenty of NI flags.
I expected worse for boruc - to me he got the same as every goalie gts, and in fact after his balls ups he was getting cheered when he touched it. As i say EVERY keeper gets it.
Much, much more concerned with the coin, and the fighting before hand.
wait for young mcginn to make a mistake and maybe norn ireland are getting beat then we will see what happens just anti catholic and anything that is remotely close to it.
Was the linesman hit with a coin during this game?
yes gbb, he was. Likely to have been thrown at the poland player who was taking the corner.
sc**bag whoever did it.
Quotewait for young mcginn to make a mistake and maybe norn ireland are getting beat then we will see what happens just anti catholic and anything that is remotely close to it.
eh?
i def heard boruc's name song in a song by the fans,nearly sure i heard his name in a few different songs one being along to the them of torres song but i could be wrong.does EVERY keeper get their name sang about in different songs?were the "best supporters in the world" singing about the san marino goalie or whoever they played in their last game....
Quote from: nifan on March 28, 2009, 07:11:04 PM
I expected worse for boruc - to me he got the same as every goalie gts, and in fact after his balls ups he was getting cheered when he touched it.
FFS, are you saying they were cheering for him? More like jeering at him
I thought the coin may have been thrown at the linesman for not giving offside against the Polish player for their goal. Either way scummy b4stards.
Painting, fighting, throwing bottles, throwing coins............football for all, even if you are a gypsy fcuker
Quote from: nifan on March 28, 2009, 07:16:18 PM
yes gbb, he was. Likely to have been thrown at the poland player who was taking the corner.
sc**bag whoever did it.
Quotewait for young mcginn to make a mistake and maybe norn ireland are getting beat then we will see what happens just anti catholic and anything that is remotely close to it.
eh?
What i mean is he will get the neill lennon treatment when the right time comes along that is for sure.
here here full back here here
Quote from: Tommy Tight Lips on March 28, 2009, 07:17:36 PM
i def heard boruc's name song in a song by the fans,nearly sure i heard his name in a few different songs one being along to the them of torres song but i could be wrong.does EVERY keeper get their name sang about in different songs?were the "best supporters in the world" singing about the san marino goalie or whoever they played in their last game....
Artur boruc, ulsters number one was sung after the poland own goal.
That was one isnt sung for every keeper, but few make enough mistakes to get it.
Also it helps that people know his name.
If he was getting sectarian abuse id have no problem saying it and condeming it, but i didnt hear anything tonight tbh.
Quote from: aroundincircles on March 28, 2009, 07:21:05 PM
What i mean is he will get the neill lennon treatment when the right time comes along that is for sure.
Lennon got the teatment for playing for celtic - was completely wrong, but it caused a lot of changes.
It was nothing to do with a ad game etc. McGinn nor McCourt have had the same issues.
They were singing "artur boruc! is a w@nker, is a w@nker!"
Do they think that of all opposition goalkeepers?
well since none of us appear to have been at the game we obviously cant confirm the exact words of any song that was directed at boruc but id seriously doubt it was light-hearted banter.mark robson is a joke of a commentator,i assume he'll be applying for a job now at rangers tv
Quote from: Tommy Tight Lips on March 28, 2009, 07:28:36 PM
well since none of us appear to have been at the game we obviously cant confirm the exact words of any song that was directed at boruc but id seriously doubt it was light-hearted banter.mark robson is a joke of a commentator,i assume he'll be applying for a job now at rangers tv
I heard it clear as day
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 28, 2009, 07:28:09 PM
They were singing "artur boruc! is a w@nker, is a w@nker!"
Do they think that of all opposition goalkeepers?
Usually it is the keeper is a w**ker, the referee is a w**ker etc.
Other players have been named when they have been high enough profile that their name is well known. He also got "who are you, who are you"
Also got you fat bastard which all keepers get.
nothing intelligent but nothing sectarian either as far as i could hear.
Best supporters in the world me arse. fighting before the kick off and throwing coins at players/officials is an absolute disgrace and I hope they find all those involved and ban them for life. Hoors all.
Well done on the win though, great result, I think that is 8 games without a home defeat for the north.
Quote from: full back on March 28, 2009, 06:40:55 PM
Know a few NI supporters like yourself nifan who are decent
Pity there are so many w4nkers that follow them as well
tho not an ni fan, i have to say nifan is one of the best posters on this board. the lesson for boruc is not to become the story in future because he ended up looking silly
QuoteI hope they find all those involved and ban them for life. Hoors all.
Agreed. Giving the standard of the stewarding (eventsec) i suspect the coin thrower would be down to cctv - wouldnt be sure how good the windsor cctv would be - hopefully good enough.
The fighting caused a number of people to be arrested - mostly poles at the whetherspoons i believe.
There is bound to be further footage of some involved in other locations.
Quote from: magickingdom on March 28, 2009, 08:53:31 PM
the lesson for boruc is not to become the story in future because he ended up looking silly
In this case i dont think boruc was at fault for becoming the story - he was forced into it by virtue of being a celtic player, and a particularly disliked player by rangers fans.
He did have a poor game and looked to be losing it (did you see the bit where the camera kept on him for a full minute and he was just spitting the entire time - wierd!) though the thing he will be remembered for s the back pass, which he was a bit unlucky with. Some will say he didnt have to take it first time, but it was an awful bobble - in the same goal mouth where taylor did something similar int he first half, though fortunately only a corner came from it.
Quote from: nifan on March 28, 2009, 07:33:09 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 28, 2009, 07:28:09 PM
They were singing "artur boruc! is a w@nker, is a w@nker!"
Do they think that of all opposition goalkeepers?
Usually it is the keeper is a w**ker, the referee is a w**ker etc.
Other players have been named when they have been high enough profile that their name is well known. He also got "who are you, who are you"
Also got you fat b**tard which all keepers get.
nothing intelligent but nothing sectarian either as far as i could hear.
Boruc is fat though......
Quote from: Minder on March 28, 2009, 09:07:31 PM
Boruc is fat though......
Just big boned.
The austrian keeper i think it was started turning round to the fans and grabbing his belly - shaking it in the direction of the fans. He was a bit "chunky" on it too.
One keeper was wearing a pink jersey and got gay instead of fat too - with a "woooo" at the end for good measure. Not really a family chant any of them in fairness...
Having a bit of friendly banter with the cops as well after the game!!
Quote from: Yes I Would on March 28, 2009, 09:25:36 PM
Having a bit of friendly banter with the cops as well after the game!!
Outside the stadium?
I had only heard of some polish fans climbing onto the (unused) terraces and causing the police to move in inside the stadium
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7969871.stm
Quote from: nifan on March 28, 2009, 08:54:59 PM
QuoteI hope they find all those involved and ban them for life. Hoors all.
Agreed. Giving the standard of the stewarding (eventsec) i suspect the coin thrower would be down to cctv - wouldnt be sure how good the windsor cctv would be - hopefully good enough.
The fighting caused a number of people to be arrested - mostly poles at the whetherspoons i believe.
There is bound to be further footage of some involved in other locations.
These louts do damage to the reputation to the Northern Ireland supporters clubs and the team themselves. There would be no excuse in my eyes for the IFA not to have quality CCTV given the troubkle at WP in the past.
It should not even come down to that, If i saw sc**bag throwing coins I would report him right away, he needs to be caught and jailed, fined and turfed out forever. as for the fighting, this does nothing to enhance the reputation of football fans and again i hope they get theirs.
QuoteThe Polish fans were kept inside the ground for nearly an hour after the match ended but have now left without incident.
Good news.
I was in poland for ni's last competitive game, and despite the large police presence there was no trouble at all, or at the last poland game in belfast.
I wont be going this time.
Quote from: nifan on March 28, 2009, 08:58:19 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on March 28, 2009, 08:53:31 PM
the lesson for boruc is not to become the story in future because he ended up looking silly
In this case i dont think boruc was at fault for becoming the story - he was forced into it by virtue of being a celtic player, and a particularly disliked player by rangers fans.
He did have a poor game and looked to be losing it (did you see the bit where the camera kept on him for a full minute and he was just spitting the entire time - wierd!) though the thing he will be remembered for s the back pass, which he was a bit unlucky with. Some will say he didnt have to take it first time, but it was an awful bobble - in the same goal mouth where taylor did something similar int he first half, though fortunately only a corner came from it.
if i were the polish manager i wouldnt have played boruc tonight, it was about him all week even tho it wasnt his fault as you say. you cant afford to have a goalie in that situtation
Quote from: Yes I Would on March 28, 2009, 09:32:34 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7969871.stm
It says fireworks now, but an hour ago it said petrol bomb. Which is it?
Was someone on to the BBC with PR damage limitation in mind?
Quote from: nifan on March 28, 2009, 07:33:09 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 28, 2009, 07:28:09 PM
They were singing "artur boruc! is a w@nker, is a w@nker!"
Do they think that of all opposition goalkeepers?
Usually it is the keeper is a w**ker, the referee is a w**ker etc.
Other players have been named when they have been high enough profile that their name is well known. He also got "who are you, who are you"
Also got you fat b**tard which all keepers get.
nothing intelligent but nothing sectarian either as far as i could hear.
You'd be naive to think he wasn't being singled out though. He's been the centre of media attention in the build up to this game, aswell as during it from the crowd and the commentator on Sky. As mentioned he maybe should have sat this game out. Good win for Little Northern Ireland though.
Fair enough - but i didnt hear much different than usual tonight, asde from the aformentioned use of his name.
As I said I didnt go tonight, so I only heard the television.
Quote from: nifan on March 28, 2009, 09:56:23 PM
Fair enough - but i didnt hear much different than usual tonight, asde from the aformentioned use of his name.
As I said I didnt go tonight, so I only heard the television.
Just like Ibrox then.
Windsor park more like a pigbox than ibrox must be the worst stadium in europe.
sure they could play their matches at casement whenever it gets revamped to 40,000 capacity ;D
Quote from: aroundincircles on March 28, 2009, 10:51:01 PM
Windsor park more like a pigbox than ibrox must be the worst stadium in europe.
I assume you havent been to many stadiums in eastern europe?
We could lend yous croke park for a small fee if yous could behave yourselves
Quote from: nifan on March 28, 2009, 11:00:30 PM
Quote from: aroundincircles on March 28, 2009, 10:51:01 PM
Windsor park more like a pigbox than ibrox must be the worst stadium in europe.
I assume you havent been to many stadiums in eastern europe?
I've been to Windsor recently enough and my impression were that it wouldn't look too out of place in eastern Europe. Couldn't believe how antiquated it was. Walking through the barbed wire tunnel to get in wasn't much fun either, shockingly uncomfortable place for away fans to visit I'd say :-\
that i doubt very much.you could just imagine them in around quinns for a pre match pint,abusing bar staff,singing the billy boys.on the issue of lending them croke park,considering the capacity of windsor park sure if we opened the hill,would that not be plenty of room??10 or 11000 or is the hill more?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 28, 2009, 05:56:14 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 28, 2009, 05:41:14 PM
Another post on a soccer thread rossfan ;)
Why arent you on your way to despoil our Holy Ground with the rest of the "greatest fans in the World" ;D
I was at it,I live in Dublin so it only takes me a half hour to get to Croke Park..
BTW there was 5 fellas beside me all from Roscommon,lucky not everyone from your god forsaken county is as bitter as you
Quote from: nifan on March 28, 2009, 07:33:09 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 28, 2009, 07:28:09 PM
They were singing "artur boruc! is a w@nker, is a w@nker!"
Do they think that of all opposition goalkeepers?
Usually it is the keeper is a w**ker, the referee is a w**ker etc.
Other players have been named when they have been high enough profile that their name is well known. He also got "who are you, who are you"
Also got you fat b**tard which all keepers get.
nothing intelligent but nothing sectarian either as far as i could hear.
Ah FFS Nifan get out of your bubble, clean the specs and smell the roses. Your fans are tripe.
Quote from: magickingdom on March 28, 2009, 08:53:31 PM
Quote from: full back on March 28, 2009, 06:40:55 PM
Know a few NI supporters like yourself nifan who are decent
Pity there are so many w4nkers that follow them as well
tho not an ni fan, i have to say nifan is one of the best posters on this board. the lesson for boruc is not to become the story in future because he ended up looking silly
That's just a f**king stupid post, you trying to blame Artur for the bigot fans of the sick counties! ::)
Quote from: nifan on March 28, 2009, 08:54:59 PM
QuoteI hope they find all those involved and ban them for life. Hoors all.
Agreed. Giving the standard of the stewarding (eventsec) i suspect the coin thrower would be down to cctv - wouldnt be sure how good the windsor cctv would be - hopefully good enough.
The fighting caused a number of people to be arrested - mostly poles at the whetherspoons i believe.
There is bound to be further footage of some involved in other locations.
FFS nifan are you for real, used to think that you were a sensibile lad but that is pure rubbish.
Your blaming the stewards, the CCTV and the the Poles!
Go to bed GDA
Quote from: ziggysego on March 29, 2009, 03:22:37 AM
Go to bed GDA
Ziggy your one lad who really does need to remove the fence from his arse.
Lad wee bit of advice- have an opinion about something!
Haven't a clue what went on tonight GDA, so no point me commenting.
Well don't tell me to go to bed, wee bit patronising don't you think?
I was just actually just mucking about. Didn't think you would take it to heart. For that, I do apologise and I hope you accept it in the sincerity it's intended.
Fair enough Ziggy, was probably being a bit too sensitive.
Just annoyed that Tyrone beat Derry, thinking of survival in Div 1.
Sounds like there were hooligans among both sets of fans.
Great result for Norn Iron to put them top. 3 points between the top 5 teams in the group, no outstanding team, all to play for.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7969871.stm
QuoteNorthern Ireland Sports Minister Gregory Campbell, who was at the game, told BBC News one confrontation began after some Polish supporters unfurled a republican flag.
He said: "There were some Polish fans who introduced one of the Irish republican flags, that are supportive of the group that killed the soldiers and the policeman a few weeks ago, which obviously then led to even more tension.
Anyone got any idea as to what flag he's talking about?
Was at the R.O.I match last nite...had a laugh and a drink with the Bulgarian fans before the match and seen a few after the match.....great craic...at least i can hold my head up high this morning! I didn't hit any one with a coin or fight with them in bars...
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 29, 2009, 09:32:34 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7969871.stm
QuoteNorthern Ireland Sports Minister Gregory Campbell, who was at the game, told BBC News one confrontation began after some Polish supporters unfurled a republican flag.
He said: "There were some Polish fans who introduced one of the Irish republican flags, that are supportive of the group that killed the soldiers and the policeman a few weeks ago, which obviously then led to even more tension.
Anyone got any idea as to what flag he's talking about?
I think it is safe to say Gregory is talking shite and apologising for the behaviour of the thugs representing owc. Goes to show Gregory is another in the long line of ministers that cannot put aside their prejudices long enough to do the job they are paid to do. The fans were so cut up about the dead policeman that they attacked and injured 11 of his colleagues!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5eBFUP5ynE
Oh dear.
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 29, 2009, 09:32:34 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7969871.stm
QuoteNorthern Ireland Sports Minister Gregory Campbell, who was at the game, told BBC News one confrontation began after some Polish supporters unfurled a republican flag.
He said: "There were some Polish fans who introduced one of the Irish republican flags, that are supportive of the group that killed the soldiers and the policeman a few weeks ago, which obviously then led to even more tension.
Anyone got any idea as to what flag he's talking about?
It was the Eirigi Flag
IS the flag the reason why the linesman was hit with the coin is this what we are trying to say????
QuoteNorthern Ireland Sports Minister Gregory Campbell, who was at the game, told BBC News one confrontation began after some Polish supporters unfurled a republican flag.
He said: "There were some Polish fans who introduced one of the Irish republican flags, that are supportive of the group that killed the soldiers and the policeman a few weeks ago, which obviously then led to even more tension.
Oh FFS ::)
Quote
Goes to show Gregory is another in the long line of ministers that cannot put aside their prejudices long enough to do the job they are paid to do. The fans were so cut up about the dead policeman that they attacked and injured 11 of his colleagues!
Spot on.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 29, 2009, 03:15:28 AM
FFS nifan are you for real, used to think that you were a sensibile lad but that is pure rubbish.
Your blaming the stewards, the CCTV and the the Poles!
I used to think you where a sensible lad, but you have obviously not read my posts at all.
who was norn ireland playing last year where they went into an irish bar and pulled down all the tri colours and put their own flags up and the locals were very upset there was trouble as well with police??
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 29, 2009, 03:28:59 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 29, 2009, 03:22:37 AM
Go to bed GDA
Ziggy your one lad who really does need to remove the fence from his arse.
Lad wee bit of advice- have an opinion about something!
wasting yer time GDA, the splinters are starting to grow there I think !
another wonderful night in the soccer history of the north of Ireland soccer team it seems !
good result for them though, pity their fans still to be a disgrace in large elements as opposed to 'the odd one or two' ::)
Northern Ireland fan on talksport there saying that the sectarian abuse of Boruc marred the occasion. Apparently there were Polish going buck mad on Tates Avenue last night. Would feel sorry for their fellow countrymen living in the area not involved in any trouble. No doubt they'll bear the brunt of it in the days and weeks to come.
QuoteNorthern Ireland fan on talksport there saying that the sectarian abuse of Boruc marred the occasion.
Fair enough. Didnt hear anything on the telly, but those in the ground would have heard more from smaller groups that would not come across on tv
Quote from: ONeill on March 29, 2009, 10:58:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5eBFUP5ynE
Oh dear.
That was cruel.
Still, its great that the occupied six have had their expectations raised, cause it will be more painful when they dont qualify.
Quote from: Maroon Heaven on March 29, 2009, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 29, 2009, 09:32:34 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7969871.stm
QuoteNorthern Ireland Sports Minister Gregory Campbell, who was at the game, told BBC News one confrontation began after some Polish supporters unfurled a republican flag.
He said: "There were some Polish fans who introduced one of the Irish republican flags, that are supportive of the group that killed the soldiers and the policeman a few weeks ago, which obviously then led to even more tension.
Anyone got any idea as to what flag he's talking about?
It was the Eirigi Flag
Right, I've no idea what that looks like. But I assume that OWC do know and took offence?
That's what I was thiking when I read that orior, first I heard of eirigi was on here a couple of weeks ago, I'm still not sure who exactly they are, didnt know they'd have a flag never mind what it looks like.
Who would have thought the NI fans knew never mind the poles!
Quote from: Orior on March 29, 2009, 01:00:15 PM
Quote from: Maroon Heaven on March 29, 2009, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 29, 2009, 09:32:34 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7969871.stm
QuoteNorthern Ireland Sports Minister Gregory Campbell, who was at the game, told BBC News one confrontation began after some Polish supporters unfurled a republican flag.
He said: "There were some Polish fans who introduced one of the Irish republican flags, that are supportive of the group that killed the soldiers and the policeman a few weeks ago, which obviously then led to even more tension.
Anyone got any idea as to what flag he's talking about?
It was the Eirigi Flag
Right, I've no idea what that looks like. But I assume that OWC do know and took offence?
The flag didn't offend me. I found it sadly ironic considering recent events.
What does the flag look like? Any pictures?
(http://www.eirigi.org/images/BS_behind%20banner.jpg)
Quote from: Chrisowc on March 29, 2009, 01:04:43 PM
Quote from: Orior on March 29, 2009, 01:00:15 PM
Quote from: Maroon Heaven on March 29, 2009, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 29, 2009, 09:32:34 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7969871.stm
QuoteNorthern Ireland Sports Minister Gregory Campbell, who was at the game, told BBC News one confrontation began after some Polish supporters unfurled a republican flag.
He said: "There were some Polish fans who introduced one of the Irish republican flags, that are supportive of the group that killed the soldiers and the policeman a few weeks ago, which obviously then led to even more tension.
Anyone got any idea as to what flag he's talking about?
It was the Eirigi Flag
Right, I've no idea what that looks like. But I assume that OWC do know and took offence?
The flag didn't offend me. I found it sadly ironic considering recent events.
What had Eirigi got to do with the killings?
are north of Irelan soccer fans now some way linked to being protectors of the psni and british army that they were that offended by some flag (I'd never seen that before at least - presume many others hadnt too).
strange.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 29, 2009, 01:09:16 PM
(http://www.eirigi.org/images/BS_behind%20banner.jpg)
Quote from: Chrisowc on March 29, 2009, 01:04:43 PM
Quote from: Orior on March 29, 2009, 01:00:15 PM
Quote from: Maroon Heaven on March 29, 2009, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 29, 2009, 09:32:34 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7969871.stm
QuoteNorthern Ireland Sports Minister Gregory Campbell, who was at the game, told BBC News one confrontation began after some Polish supporters unfurled a republican flag.
He said: "There were some Polish fans who introduced one of the Irish republican flags, that are supportive of the group that killed the soldiers and the policeman a few weeks ago, which obviously then led to even more tension.
Anyone got any idea as to what flag he's talking about?
It was the Eirigi Flag
Right, I've no idea what that looks like. But I assume that OWC do know and took offence?
The flag didn't offend me. I found it sadly ironic considering recent events.
What had Eirigi got to do with the killings?
What had the flag to do with Northern Ireland v Poland?
Why would polish fans have an eirgi flag?
And anyone who is going to start a riot over it needs their head examined anyway - whats a flag going to do to them
Quote
What had the flag to do with Northern Ireland v Poland?
Not a thing, but I thoguht the bigots were saying it caused the trouble and you said you found it sadly ironic in light of recent events so I'm asking YOU! what the flag had to do with the killings? I didnt think eirigi were linked to dissident republicans?
Did you see this flag yourself? are there any pictures of it at the game?
I'm amazed the poles (and the NI fans) knew what the flag was - if the poles wanted a flag to antagonise you'd think they'd just grab a tri colour. Even then I'd be surprised at the level of understanding they'd have of the situation in the north.
Quote from: Chrisowc on March 29, 2009, 01:18:24 PM
What had the flag to do with Northern Ireland v Poland?
Nothing - its a wind up. Like the Slovakians brandishing a UVF flag at the Ireland match in Bratislavia in the last campaign (true story!). Some sets of fans use it as an excuse to react. Some don't.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 29, 2009, 01:25:59 PM
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What had the flag to do with Northern Ireland v Poland?
Not a thing, but I thoguht the bigots were saying it caused the trouble and you said you found it sadly ironic in light of recent events so I'm asking YOU! what the flag had to do with the killings? I didnt think eirigi were linked to dissident republicans?
Did you see this flag yourself? are there any pictures of it at the game?
I'm amazed the poles (and the NI fans) knew what the flag was - if the poles wanted a flag to antagonise you'd think they'd just grab a tri colour. Even then I'd be surprised at the level of understanding they'd have of the situation in the north.
Gregory Campbell said it raised tensions but I would say that Polish hooligans wrecking a bar in Belfast City Centre was the catalyst for raised tensions and not a stupid flag. I found it ironic that the flag was displayed considering a mouthpiece (or should that be ex) for Erigi has been charged. I did see the flag at the game and new what it was because it said 'Eirigi' on it. Hardly rocket science.
From what I saw some the Poles weren't interested in antogonising. Head-cracking was more their style.
Quote from: Chrisowc on March 29, 2009, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 29, 2009, 01:25:59 PM
Quote
What had the flag to do with Northern Ireland v Poland?
Not a thing, but I thoguht the bigots were saying it caused the trouble and you said you found it sadly ironic in light of recent events so I'm asking YOU! what the flag had to do with the killings? I didnt think eirigi were linked to dissident republicans?
Did you see this flag yourself? are there any pictures of it at the game?
I'm amazed the poles (and the NI fans) knew what the flag was - if the poles wanted a flag to antagonise you'd think they'd just grab a tri colour. Even then I'd be surprised at the level of understanding they'd have of the situation in the north.
Gregory Campbell said it raised tensions but I would say that Polish hooligans wrecking a bar in Belfast City Centre was the catalyst for raised tensions and not a stupid flag. I found it ironic that the flag was displayed considering a mouthpiece (or should that be ex) for Erigi has been charged. I did see the flag at the game and new what it was because it said 'Eirigi' on it. Hardly rocket science.
From what I saw some the Poles weren't interested in antogonising. Head-cracking was more their style.
What like the 3 or 4 NI Fans that can be seen on news footage knocking a lone polish lad on the ground and kicking the shit out of him?
SOunds to me like yous met your match.
Yous?
Any of the 'big' lads attacking Polish fans were a disgrace. I've no time for any of that sh*te.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/kb80pf.jpg)
So he's the one made all those poor upset NI fans attack policemen.
Quote from: nifan on March 29, 2009, 01:19:03 PM
Why would polish fans have an eirgi flag?
And anyone who is going to start a riot over it needs their head examined anyway - whats a flag going to do to them
I read on another site that Eirgi were handing out leaflets before the match and they gave the flag to some Polish fans. Stupid idea if thats true. It was obviously going to cause tension but that makes no excuse for the trouble that happened, people can blame each other all they want, the Polish might have started it before the match, but the north of Ireland fans that continued on the trouble didn't need much of an excuse they get involved. A load of scumbags on both sides involved I would say.
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 29, 2009, 03:19:02 PM
A load of scumbags on both sides involved I would say.
No doubt. Normal people dont start this shit just because they are offended.
I doubt its the first time any of those boys giving the kickings where involved in altercations
Quote from: Chrisowc on March 29, 2009, 01:04:43 PM
The flag didn't offend me. I found it sadly ironic considering recent events.
Ironic in what way?
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 29, 2009, 03:28:59 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 29, 2009, 03:22:37 AM
Go to bed GDA
Ziggy your one lad who really does need to remove the fence from his arse.
Lad wee bit of advice- have an opinion about something!
Goo0d call! Have a opinion once in youir life yiu get too much splinters sitting on that fence!!h
Quote from: nifan on March 29, 2009, 01:19:03 PM
Why would polish fans have an eirgi flag?
And anyone who is going to start a riot over it needs their head examined anyway - whats a flag going to do to them
Probably for the same reason NI fans call Irish people beggars and tinkers or sing any number of their silly songs. As we've bee told here a thousand times, it's all a bit of harmless banter among soccer fans only is seems that the NI fans "don't like it up them" when the banter is directed the other way.
Sadly yesterdays events confirmed what we all suspected, in that once the veneer of 'Football For All' is scratched, the same old bigotry lies beneath. As Pints has suggested at least this time the OWC bigots met their match, though that will be no consolation for this young man who was caught up in it all (6 seconds in).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7970522.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7970522.stm)
Quote from: Donagh on March 29, 2009, 03:51:22 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on March 29, 2009, 01:04:43 PM
The flag didn't offend me. I found it sadly ironic considering recent events.
Ironic in what way?
One of the poor sods trying to earn a few quid the other saturday night was Polish.
f**k the lot of you.
Why are you so concerned about owc? You neither support them or ever will, so why kick up a f**king fuss when they fly the Union Flag or play God Save the Queen?
I am neither a supporter or never will. Norn Iron isn't very representative of me and even if they remove the flags and change to a more neutral anthem, I still wouldn't be supporting them. To be honest, soccer is a dull sport. I firmly believe that because the sport is so f**king dull, you get numbskulls like this out to cause trouble. I really couldn't give a damn about them, whatever said they are on.
All I'll say is, nifan is a decent fella and the rounding on him last night was a disgrace.
Cop yourselves on.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 29, 2009, 03:28:59 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 29, 2009, 03:22:37 AM
Go to bed GDA
Ziggy your one lad who really does need to remove the fence from his arse.
Lad wee bit of advice- have an opinion about something!
I think that Ziggy definately gave his opinion on things after his last effort on this thread. :D
As for me, I woud rather an Irish team won than lost, no matter what sport they play, I dont have to be a fan of cricket to hope that the irish cricketers win if they are playing against another country I have absolutely no affinity to, the same applies to Norn ireland soccer, i have about as much interest in them a I do the cricketers but they still play the game as Irishmen and thats good enough for me.
All that said, nifan has to admit that nortnern ireland has more than it's fair share of sc**bag supporters and even though I know they have fantastic support in the main they cannot seem to rid themselves of the scum element that drags them down.
As for WP, is is a shithole but is like croker compared to some of the stadia in romania and eastern europe.
Ziggy, this is a discussion board son, keep yer hair on, it's not worth getting all het up over.
Quote from: stew on March 29, 2009, 05:43:12 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 29, 2009, 03:28:59 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 29, 2009, 03:22:37 AM
Go to bed GDA
Ziggy your one lad who really does need to remove the fence from his arse.
Lad wee bit of advice- have an opinion about something!
I think that Ziggy definately gave his opinion on things after his last effort on this thread. :D
As for me, I woud rather an Irish team won than lost, no matter what sport they play, I dont have to be a fan of cricket to hope that the irish cricketers win if they are playing against another country I have absolutely no affinity to, the same applies to Norn ireland soccer, i have about as much interest in them a I do the cricketers but they still play the game as Irishmen and thats good enough for me.
All that said, nifan has to admit that nortnern ireland has more than it's fair share of sc**bag supporters and even though I know they have fantastic support in the main they cannot seem to rid themselves of the scum element that drags them down.
As for WP, is is a shithole but is like croker compared to some of the stadia in romania and eastern europe.
Ziggy, this is a discussion board son, keep yer hair on, it's not worth getting all het up over.
Good post, that I'd echo.
just saw some of the trouble on the news, i thought the slap some polish lad hit some guy at the end was classic.
and just to think never once has nifan sung " up to my knees in fenion blood" to sweet of the mouth for my liking.
Quote from: Chrisowc on March 29, 2009, 04:48:31 PM
Quote from: Donagh on March 29, 2009, 03:51:22 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on March 29, 2009, 01:04:43 PM
The flag didn't offend me. I found it sadly ironic considering recent events.
Ironic in what way?
One of the poor sods trying to earn a few quid the other saturday night was Polish.
Sorry I still don't get it. This was connected to éirÃgà how?
Quote from: aroundincircles on March 29, 2009, 06:51:26 PM
and just to think never once has nifan sung " up to my knees in fenion blood" to sweet of the mouth for my liking.
I honestly cant understand what you are saying.
Can you put it in words that make sense?
sure enough you are a bull shitter
If i take your comment as attempted sarcasm, I can say that i have never sang the sash in my life.
If you have any reason to think the contrary let us know why
Quote from: aroundincircles on March 29, 2009, 06:51:26 PM
and just to think never once has nifan sung " up to my knees in fenion blood" to sweet of the mouth for my liking.
and how would you know that? what about yourself, have you ever sung some shite you might think better of at another time?
He's spewed some shite here anyway.
how come 30-40,000 Poland fans were able to attend a game against ireland last november without incident?
you would know all about it hardy where you ever a victim of secterian abuse verbally or otherwise??
Quote from: stiffler on March 29, 2009, 09:38:19 PM
how come 30-40,000 Poland fans were able to attend a game against ireland last november without incident?
Dont know - there was no problem the last time ni played poland either - home or away.
Not sure why this time was different.
Quote from: aroundincircles on March 29, 2009, 09:49:04 PM
you would know all about it hardy where you ever a victim of secterian abuse verbally or otherwise??
if you were subjected to sectarian abuse then they were scumbags. i havent seen that on this thread tho
Aroundincircles for whatever reason went off at a tangent..
Both sets of fans were repsonsible, takes two to tango etc, Polish football has a significant hooligan element and I heard earlier a whole crowd of them travelled without tickets (presumably just for a row). SUrely the Polish authorities informed the PSNI of the threat of trouble?
the spiritual motherland. Polska. Never occurred to me though that the local poles could have been involved aswell
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 30, 2009, 12:00:23 AM
the spiritual motherland. Polska. Never occurred to me though that the local poles could have been involved aswell
Heard from a taxi driver last night that a flight from manchester was delayed Saturday because the Polish fans were going crazy. Pilot threatened to turn back and all. I'd say a big percentage of Polish fans there yesterday live in Britian or Ireland.
Quote from: aroundincircles on March 29, 2009, 06:51:26 PM
and just to think never once has nifan sung " up to my knees in fenion blood" to sweet of the mouth for my liking.
I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that that sort of rhetoric has never crossed his lips.
aroundincircles, you are aptly named.
This bullsh1t of castigating nifan is a joke
He is far from a bigot & anyone who says he is would do well to back up what they say
10 Polish homes damaged on Saturday night. The worlds greatest fans couldnt possibly be involved ::)
I see the politicians are weiging in behind the greatest fans ever. Disgrace
A shower of f**king knackers
Quote from: full back on March 30, 2009, 08:15:55 AM
This bullsh1t of castigating nifan is a joke
He is far from a bigot & anyone who says he is would do well to back up what they say
10 Polish homes damaged on Saturday night. The worlds greatest fans couldnt possibly be involved ::)
I see the politicians are weiging in behind the greatest fans ever. Disgrace
A shower of f**king knackers
If homes were attacked, it doesn't mean that football fans were involved. If there was someone shot in Blefast after a match earlier in Casement it doesn't automatically mean it was GAA fans.
Are you saying they werent involved?
Why do you think the homes were attacked?
Quote from: full back on March 30, 2009, 08:23:48 AM
Are you saying they werent involved?
Why do you think the homes were attacked?
1. I don't know who was involved, so I wouldn't speculate. You alluded to it being NI football fans involved. How do YOU know this?
2. Again I don't know. However I think it's fair to suggest they were attacked as an easy target for those who deemed Saturday anti-Poland day.
My colleague was at the match on Sat night. He's just told me that as he was making his way away from the ground towards the Donegall Rd after the match, they encountered a bunch of "hoods" who were coming from the opposite direction (ie not Windsor, and therefore not at the game) with crowbars and scarves round their faces who seemed to have the intention of putting in windows.
The homes where undoubtedly attacked due to the trouble after the game.
This was my worry after the game, as usual the innocent suffer the penalty for a crowd of yobs from both sides.
Some of them may not be football fans, some people would take any excuse to vent their racism. Given the actions of some of the boyos going to the match ive no doubt some of them would be involved.
As for the worlds greatest fans carry on, I hope those who use it catch themselves on. We have come a long way, but there is still a lot more work to do as is obvious. Ive always found it twee and embarasing, as i found it when some ROI fans used it. Self congratulatory bullshit.
Quote from: nifan on March 30, 2009, 08:28:42 AM
Some of them may not be football fans, some people would take any excuse to vent their racism. Given the actions of some of the boyos going to the match ive no doubt some of them would be involved.
Enough said
The greatest fans in the world statement is probably aimed at me nifan. Fair enough. Just using it as a stick to beat them with (if you know what I mean).
If people associated with the fans are happy to use it when things are going 'well' , then you have to accept it will be used when the true colours are shown
QuoteIf people associated with the fans are happy to use it when things are going 'well' , then you have to accept it will be used when the true colours are shown
Absolutely. Ive always told people to stop that shite when they came out with it.
Even if it where true id be embarrassed.
When the Poles scored the camera went to a Pole who was 'celebrating' with the aid of a loud speaker.
Is this allowed in a ground?
I dont know if it is allowed, but it isnt uncommon in football grounds.
Amongst the NI fans there is a person who leads many of the chants with a loud speaker. He did get in trouble during a spain u21 game in ballymena for a joke stadium announcement where he asked those in red to return to their dressing room - we where 3 or 4 down at this stage.
Ive seen it at other grounds too.
The lad who took the coin was identified and ejected at half time.
The IFA says appropriate action will now be taken.
Quote from: nifan on March 30, 2009, 09:47:38 AM
The lad who took the coin was identified and ejected at half time.
The IFA says appropriate action will now be taken.
fair play, btw i am not calling anyone on the board bigoted or sectarian, and i understand that opposition keepers get abuse, however, surely you cant deny that the level of abuse received by boruc was more than normal, and it was due to him playing for celtic, and no i have no facts before anyone asks just an opinion, i think if i had been mcginn or mccourt i would have felt at best slightly uncomfortable.
lfdown, fair enough.
I havent watched a home game on the telly in years, but i did not think it was much worse than usual, not as bad as i thought anyway.
Im sure that some people gave him some extra, theres no doubt that he is particularly unpopular amongst rangers fans. the fact that he is a goalkeeper perhaps has covered it for me a bit due to them usually getting more abuse, as ive detailed before.
I was listening to Nolan there.
Yer man of the Northern Ireland supporters club has been doing the rounds this morning on all radio channels. He claims that he never heard any sectarian chants or abuse towards Boruc.
Then a woman came on, saying that she was at the KOP and the amount of abuse was unreal. She said if it was one or two she would have confronted them but it was widespread.
Its amazing what some people will hear nad not hear to suit their agenda
FIFA/UEFA must now react accordingly. The FAI was sanctioned a few years ago on account of the simple booing of a Rangers player in Dublin. The very least must be expected for the IFA.
Also I would remind you that this scum will shortly be on their way to Dublin due to the intelligent actions of the FAI in hosting a four associations tournament involving the iFA squad.
Surely Paddy Mc Court and Niall Mc Ginn cannot remain part of the IFA set up?
Quote from: T Fearon on March 30, 2009, 11:08:21 AM
FIFA/UEFA must now react accordingly. The FAI was sanctioned a few years ago on account of the simple booing of a Rangers player in Dublin. The very least must be expected for the IFA.
Also I would remind you that this scum will shortly be on their way to Dublin due to the intelligent actions of the FAI in hosting a four associations tournament involving the iFA squad.
Surely Paddy Mc Court and Niall Mc Ginn cannot remain part of the IFA set up?
Why? So the yobs get their way? Or you get your way?
Quote from: muppet on March 30, 2009, 11:23:55 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on March 30, 2009, 11:08:21 AM
FIFA/UEFA must now react accordingly. The FAI was sanctioned a few years ago on account of the simple booing of a Rangers player in Dublin. The very least must be expected for the IFA.
Also I would remind you that this scum will shortly be on their way to Dublin due to the intelligent actions of the FAI in hosting a four associations tournament involving the iFA squad.
Surely Paddy Mc Court and Niall Mc Ginn cannot remain part of the IFA set up?
Why? So the yobs get their way? Or you get your way?
Sure Gerry Armstrong should never be allowed back up the Falls according to Tony.
Quote from: full back on March 30, 2009, 08:15:55 AM
This bullsh1t of castigating nifan is a joke
He is far from a bigot & anyone who says he is would do well to back up what they say
10 Polish homes damaged on Saturday night. The worlds greatest fans couldnt possibly be involved ::)
I see the politicians are weiging in behind the greatest fans ever. Disgrace
A shower of f**king knackers
I've no problem agreeing with you there, FB.
It's a puzzle to me that some posters go out of their way to try and find evidence to label nifan as a sectarian bigot. I noticed this soon after I came onto this board, so I made it a habit to read any of his posts that I'd come across- just to see what the problem was.
Now, I'm not from Norn Iron and I don't get emotionally tied up with carry-ons at Windsor Park or with the antics of Celtic/ Ranger fans either.
From what I read, nifan is one of the soundest posters on the board and the taunts directed at him say a lot about the mindset of those involved.
While I'm at it, I'd regard ChrisOWC and most of the OWC lads as solid posters as well.
FFS; this is a discussion board and one has to expect differences of opinion and opposing points of view at times!
Why I'm going on about this is because I'm afraid that the thread will soon be hijacked by the usual suspects.
Usually, whenever there is a topic that has a Nationalist/ Unionist dimension, the heavies line up on either side and very quickly the discussion degenerates into a tit for tat name-calling session. There aren't too many, I know, but the end result is usually the same; sensible posters from both sides head off and leave them at it.
Quote from: nifan on March 30, 2009, 08:28:42 AM
As for the worlds greatest fans carry on, I hope those who use it catch themselves on. We have come a long way, but there is still a lot more work to do as is obvious. Ive always found it twee and embarasing, as i found it when some ROI fans used it. Self congratulatory bullshit.
Couldn't agree more. This thing of proclaiming you're the best fans ever is crap - whether it's NI / RoI / GAA / Soccer / Rugby.
Was listening to some of the Radio Ulster programmes in the car this morning (Nolan and Talkback) and it was embarrassing listening to the point scoring of people ringing in to say "this never happens at GAA matches" or "why don't you tell everyone how great the GAA is and how bad soccer is". We all know what the reality is - the need to proclaim it and the need to have the general population see 'how great you are' is cringeworthy at times.
Boruc dropped from the Poland squad and sent back to Glasgow.
Quote from: Hound on March 30, 2009, 01:43:30 PM
Boruc dropped from the Poland squad and sent back to Glasgow.
Got caught smuggling the current girlfriend into the team hotel.
His heads away with it for the last 6-9 months, not sure what can be done to settle him back into the good player he was. A break from the team maybe a "blessing" in disguise.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 30, 2009, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 30, 2009, 01:43:30 PM
Boruc dropped from the Poland squad and sent back to Glasgow.
Got caught smuggling the current girlfriend into the team hotel.
His heads away with it for the last 6-9 months, not sure what can be done to settle him back into the good player he was. A break from the team maybe a "blessing" in disguise.
That would be a first ;D
Quote from: Chrisowc on March 30, 2009, 04:23:30 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 30, 2009, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 30, 2009, 01:43:30 PM
Boruc dropped from the Poland squad and sent back to Glasgow.
Got caught smuggling the current girlfriend into the team hotel.
His heads away with it for the last 6-9 months, not sure what can be done to settle him back into the good player he was. A break from the team maybe a "blessing" in disguise.
That would be a first ;D
Your on the ball there Chris...lol :D :D :D
Quote from: T Fearon on March 30, 2009, 11:08:21 AM
FIFA/UEFA must now react accordingly. The FAI was sanctioned a few years ago on account of the simple booing of a Rangers player in Dublin. The very least must be expected for the IFA.
AFAIA, The FAI were never sanctioned over booing.
FIFA were never bothered.
The crowd voluntarilly (and with good humour) stopped booing an "alleged" Rangers player in 2002 after just the one public announcement was made asking them to stop, at a friendly game against Denmark.
Ever since that game there has been no booing and therefore no public announce ments were needed asking them to stop.
Quote from: Main Street on March 30, 2009, 05:57:55 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on March 30, 2009, 11:08:21 AM
FIFA/UEFA must now react accordingly. The FAI was sanctioned a few years ago on account of the simple booing of a Rangers player in Dublin. The very least must be expected for the IFA.
AFAIA, The FAI were never sanctioned over booing.
FIFA were never bothered.
The crowd voluntarilly (and with good humour) stopped booing an "alleged" Rangers player in 2002 after just the one public announcement was made asking them to stop, at a friendly game against Denmark.
Ever since that game there has been no booing and therefore no public announce ments were needed asking them to stop.
Was there that night. Was good humoured but booing is booing.
Not everyone will get the "alleged" bit. :P
was at the bot sat night to watch r.o.i. got speaking few ni fans who said that there was poles in looking trouble in bot round 4 o clock. 5 or 6 big dogs came in to the bar banged fist of the bar demanding drink. feel sorry 4 the poles living in the village who got their houses wrecked sad state of affairs. read the mirror yday apparatly he heading to newcastle in the summer, he would fit in well with that newcastle defence after sat performance.lol
Quote from: charlie stubbs on March 30, 2009, 07:30:17 PM
feel sorry 4 the poles living in the village who got their houses wrecked sad state of affairs.
You have to feel even more sorry for the Lithuanians who have apparently also been attacked. The stupidity of thugs knows no bounds.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/24fa1vn.jpg)
:D
Quote from: full back on March 30, 2009, 08:55:14 AM
When the Poles scored the camera went to a Pole who was 'celebrating' with the aid of a loud speaker.
Is this allowed in a ground?
Megaphones are allowed in grounds all over the world
Quote from: hardstation on March 30, 2009, 07:41:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 30, 2009, 07:39:22 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on March 30, 2009, 07:30:17 PM
feel sorry 4 the poles living in the village who got their houses wrecked sad state of affairs.
You have to feel even more sorry for the Lithuanians who have apparently also been attacked. The stupidity of thugs knows no bounds.
Why?
Okay, not
more sorry,
equally sorry. Either way, innocent people are feeling the pain at the hands of knuckle-draggers. That foreigners of other nationalities have been dragged into this just emphasises the xenophobic tendencies of some people in certain areas.
Is this the same O'Neill that is on this board?
Court hears Belfast violence was organised
Monday, 30 March 2009 19:53
An organised gang of Polish football hooligans orchestrated violent clashes in a bar before a World Cup qualifying match, a court heard today.
Doors were ripped off their hinges and tables and chairs thrown through windows during the disturbances involving rival fans at Wetherspoons pub in Belfast ahead of Northern Ireland's 3-2 win over Poland on Saturday.
Three Polish nationals who are based in England pleaded guilty at Belfast Magistrates' Court today to charges of disorderly behaviour. They were all given two-month sentences, suspended for one year.
Another Pole, who lives in Belfast, admitted disorderly behaviour and possessing fireworks without a licence and will appear in court again next month for sentencing.
Tomasz Bobrowicz, 30, who lives in Suffolk, Przemyslaw Pawel Kusmierczyk, 28, from Liverpool, Lukasz Szwajda, 22, from London and Tomasz Maciej Jakobik, 26, from University Avenue in Belfast, were all arrested outside the city centre bar on Bedford Street during the unrest.
During the hearing a police officer, who said he could link the accused with the charges, told the court that the men had been on the periphery of the disturbances and had not been involved in organising the violence.
A prosecution lawyer added that the trouble had been started by a group of Polish supporters who planned to go into the bar with the express intention of starting trouble.
'A small number of organised Polish fans orchestrated disturbances within the bar,' she said.
The violence at the Wetherspoons was one of a number of clashes involving fans and riot police both before, during and after the match at Windsor Park. Eleven officers were injured in the incidents.
While Northern Ireland has a sizeable resident Polish population, police believe a hard core group of Poles travelled from elsewhere, without match tickets, in order to stir up trouble.
They are examining CCTV footage from across the city in an attempt to identify the ringleaders.
Passing sentence today, Magistrate Fiona Bagnall acknowledged that all four men were not part of the group that orchestrated the violence.
While Jakobik had been released on police bail ahead of today's appearance, the other three men had been in custody since Saturday afternoon. All appeared in the dock together alongside an interpreter.
Shaven headed Bobrowicz, who was wearing a navy hooded top, has been left with a 13 stitch wound across his forehead as a result of Saturday's fracas. His lawyer said he had got involved in the trouble after getting struck.
'He was angry but accepts that his behaviour was unacceptable,' he said.
The court heard that Szwajda, who appeared in a blue jacket and also had a shaven head, is a full time chef in London. His solicitor Shane O'Neill said drink had played a part in behaviour that he said was out of character.
'Alcohol played a role and he genuinely regrets his behaviour,' he said.
'Hopefully this is a one off.'
A lawyer for Kusmierczyk, who was wearing a grey sweatshirt and had short blonde hair, said he had only become embroiled in the trouble when it moved outside the bar.
He pointed out that his client had no previous criminal record.
Niall O'Neill, representing Jakobik, who wore a blue sweatshirt and also sported a shaven head, said he had lived in Northern Ireland for two years and had a good grasp of English.
Ms Bagnall ordered him to appear again in court on April 27th for sentencing. As well as the pre-game trouble at Wetherspoons, the Tates Avenue area near to the ground was sealed off as police came under attack from fireworks, traffic cones, bricks, bottles and other missiles both before and after the evening kick-off.
A number of homes were also targeted in what police described as racially motivated incidents. There was trouble inside Windsor Park as well, with the match held up during the first half when a linesman was hit by a missile thrown from a crowd of Northern Ireland supporters in the North Stand just after Poland scored.
Polish fans were also involved in disturbances in the closing stages of the game.
Several tried to climb the perimeter fence after leaving the South Stand to reach the terracing. But again police moved in to stop them.
Emphasising that the majority of the troublemakers on the Polish side were not locally based, the police have called for no reprisal attacks on Poles living and working in the region.
The Irish Football Association (IFA) has imposed a life ban on the fan who struck an assistant referee with a coin. Fifa has launched an investigation after receiving reports from the referee and match commissioner.
IFA president Raymond Kennedy expects the punishment to be a heavy fine.
Our Shane isn't a lawyer
Hes a Pig Man.
Quote from: nifan on March 28, 2009, 07:23:14 PM
Quote from: Tommy Tight Lips on March 28, 2009, 07:17:36 PM
i def heard boruc's name song in a song by the fans,nearly sure i heard his name in a few different songs one being along to the them of torres song but i could be wrong.does EVERY keeper get their name sang about in different songs?were the "best supporters in the world" singing about the san marino goalie or whoever they played in their last game....
Artur boruc, ulsters number one was sung after the poland own goal.
That was one isnt sung for every keeper, but few make enough mistakes to get it.
Also it helps that people know his name.
If he was getting sectarian abuse id have no problem saying it and condeming it, but i didnt hear anything tonight tbh.
Whilst it is fair to say that this season has seen a 'chunkier' Boruc, Tom Court he isn't. Yet.
Quote from: FL/MAYO on March 30, 2009, 08:49:54 PM
Is this the same O'Neill that is on this board?
The Shane O`Neill in that article is Martin O`Neills nephew. He is from Newry with obvious Derry connections.
Must've been a real sickener for Celtic fans and Boruc when he had the air kick, to be fair. Healy was doing some smirking.
UTV Late and Live on now.
I suppose the win for Norn Iron was all the more remarkable that they were missing Kyle Lafferty up front.
Quote from: hardstation on March 30, 2009, 10:54:06 PM
Mac from OWC.
The bird was reading out texts from viewers and one viewer said
'they are both to blame, you would never get this at GAA or rugby' and McAliisters eyes nearly popped out of his head, he could not have looked more disgusted if he tried. Poor representative of OWC IMO.
Was it mac or gary mcallister?
Gary McAllister (not the ex Leeds player :P)
You put your left hand up, you put your right hand down, the ball flies past and you look like a clown, you do the holy goalie and you turn around, next thing you're 3-1 down!!! Oh Arthur Boruc, Arthur, Arthur Boruc.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNMnkAYjOUo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNMnkAYjOUo)
Quote from: saffron sam2 on March 30, 2009, 09:36:11 PM
Quote from: nifan on March 28, 2009, 07:23:14 PM
Quote from: Tommy Tight Lips on March 28, 2009, 07:17:36 PM
i def heard boruc's name song in a song by the fans,nearly sure i heard his name in a few different songs one being along to the them of torres song but i could be wrong.does EVERY keeper get their name sang about in different songs?were the "best supporters in the world" singing about the san marino goalie or whoever they played in their last game....
Artur boruc, ulsters number one was sung after the poland own goal.
That was one isnt sung for every keeper, but few make enough mistakes to get it.
Also it helps that people know his name.
If he was getting sectarian abuse id have no problem saying it and condeming it, but i didnt hear anything tonight tbh.
Whilst it is fair to say that this season has seen a 'chunkier' Boruc, Tom Court he isn't. Yet.
It does look like he's taken to the battered mars bars. Either that or he lifted the girlfriend's shorts by mistake.
Slag boruc all yous want,the man has more medals than the whole N.Ireland team put together,how many of the mighty norn iron will even be playing champions league footy next year
Quote from: Family guy on March 31, 2009, 05:41:11 AM
how many of the mighty norn iron will even be playing champions league footy next year
one
whys that relevant?
Quote from: nifan on March 31, 2009, 08:34:05 AM
Quote from: Family guy on March 31, 2009, 05:41:11 AM
how many of the mighty norn iron will even be playing champions league footy next year
one
whys that relevant?
Evans?
What about Paddy McCourt and Niall McGinn when the mighty hoops win 4 in a row! ;D
Unfortunately I cant see them featuring much, but I hope they do.
Quote from: Family guy on March 31, 2009, 05:41:11 AM
Slag boruc all yous want,the man has more medals than the whole N.Ireland team put together,how many of the mighty norn iron will even be playing champions league footy next year
I predict Kyle Lafferty winning the Champions League Golden Boot ahead of Klose, Del Piero, Ibrahimovic, Rooney, Torres, Messi, Eto'o etc next year. Mark my words.
cant wait to tune into sky sports tomorrow nite and hear OWC's fans taunt the slovenian keeper with personal insults and various songs just as they normally do at home games.linesman might need to hear helmets the mora nite!
Since nobody knows his name id guess thats less likely.
He will get called a fat bastard though.
It appears likly to be "Samir Handanovič" from udinese
Quote from: nifan on March 31, 2009, 03:58:04 PM
It appears likly to be "Samir Handanovič" from udinese
Samir is injured so it will be his older cousin Jasmin Handanovič.
From Benny Tierney's column in the Irish News today.
'King Billy At large'
I would like to extend my sympathy to Artur Boruc, the Polish goalkeeper who endured a nightmare against Norn Iron at Windsor Park on Saturday evening.
Hailing from the goalkeepers' union, I felt for the poor Celtic goalkeeper, who had one of those days to forget and he must have thought King Billy rolled the pitch himself as the ball rolled over his foot and nestled in the net from a back pass.
I too can empathise with him on the jeering and abuse he would have taken from fans who despise his very being because of the team he plays for. But, fortunately for me, I will never have to play in Omagh again.
:PI'd say the boul Benny is some craic on a night out!
Was reading that this morning. Armagh's full of comedians ;) lol
Quote from: ziggysego on April 01, 2009, 05:42:25 PM
Was reading that this morning. Armagh's full of comedians ;) lol
Benny does raise the odd laugh with his column.
Christ we where lucky tonight. Awful awful performance In general I thought.
Whats the situation now nifan?
Do you reckon a playoff place is possible,what games have ye left?
Quote from: carribbear on March 31, 2009, 03:39:27 PM
Quote from: Family guy on March 31, 2009, 05:41:11 AM
Slag boruc all yous want,the man has more medals than the whole N.Ireland team put together,how many of the mighty norn iron will even be playing champions league footy next year
I predict Kyle Lafferty winning the Champions League Golden Boot ahead of Klose, Del Piero, Ibrahimovic, Rooney, Torres, Messi, Eto'o etc next year. Mark my words.
Good April fools there,more chance of everton playing champions league football next season
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 01, 2009, 11:29:54 PM
Whats the situation now nifan?
Do you reckon a playoff place is possible,what games have ye left?
It is possible LL, but while our home form is impressive, our away for is awful.
We have Poland and Czechs away, and in a tight group we probably need to get something out of them.
Aside from San Marino and Lichenstein we have struggled for years.
Listening to fat chops thsi morning, had to check the date to make sure i wasnt reliving April 1st.
Some numpty on claiming NI could not only make S. Africa but win the bloody thing!
Also how many times did Nolan need to comment on how well behaved NI Fans were last nite!!
Didnt hear it yes i would, but whoever thinks we can win it must have had done a bit too much celebrating last night. Considering the performance we where luck not to get beat.
At this stage I would consider 2nd in the group an achievement still
Nolan is a tube.
As Nifan says Norn Iron still have it all to do with 3 of our hardest fixtures yet to come. Away to Poland - home to Slovakia and then away to Czcech Republic. I was thinking 1 win and 2 draws would be minimum but might even need at least 2 wins.
The performance lastnight was laboured and Slovenia are a well organised team who look dangerous enough on the break. A fantastic win considering the goal came from the only chance created. Brilliant work from Sammy Clinghan to get the cross in.
What did you think of Craig Bellamy's assessment of OWC nifan? As unlikely a source of praise as you are likely to get given his performances in the Hatfield and Bot, he was saying that he wished Wales could make the Millenium Stadium more like Windsor...from the BBC
"You want to be part of the atmosphere at Windsor Park, when you watch Northern Ireland it hurts," he said.
Northern Ireland, whose estimated population of 1.75m is much less than Wales' 2.9m, beat Poland 3-2 at their Windsor Park fortress on Saturday to lead Group Three by a point from Slovakia.
Wales, though, were booed off by a section of their supporters following a dismal 2-0 Group Four qualifying defeat to an aging Finland side at a less than third full Millennium Stadium.
"We haven't got the atmosphere," admits Bellamy.
"We aren't generating anything. What a nice place to come and play at the moment. Opposition teams must be very comfortable here.
"You come to a nice city, a very good stadium. No pressure. No atmosphere.
"They go out there and just play against a team that, at the moment, isn't going to force the issue.
"You see the difference in Northern Ireland. Windsor Park is a tough old place. The pitch isn't good. The changing rooms are terrible. The atmosphere is fantastic.
"As a player I'm a bit envious of that."
The table minus the san marino matches (they don't look capable of taking a point)
Played points
Sloavakia 5 9
Slovenia 5 8
NI 5 7
Czech 5 5
Poland 5 4
Everything still up for grabs and the Czech and the Poles not as strong as you would think.
That table ain't right delboy
Having been to the Millennium I think id like to meet in the middle!
It is an amazing stadium, but its always hard to keep an atmosphere in a stadium like that unless it is rammed.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 02, 2009, 11:12:04 AM
That table ain't right delboy
Feel free to correct it :)
I remember Ryan Giggs saying that is was if 60,000 were in Windsor Park during the last World Cup qualifiers.
Can't at the moment, but haven't some teams played 7 games to date?
Quote from: ziggysego on April 02, 2009, 11:18:28 AM
Can't at the moment, but haven't some teams played 7 games to date?
Delboy has taken San Marino out of the group since they are useless and everyone will beat them.
Aaah, getcha now. Sorry delboy, I'm a plonker!