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Title: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Lar Naparka on August 27, 2016, 09:06:42 PM
This story has been around for a number of weeks. I'm surprised that no one on this board has picked it up before now.


http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/15m-gaa-funding-boost-for-east-leinster-project-34934104.html

So the gap between the haves and the have-nots continues to widen...
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: ashman on August 27, 2016, 09:13:36 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 27, 2016, 09:06:42 PM
This story has been around for a number of weeks. I'm surprised that no one on this board has picked it up before now.


http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/15m-gaa-funding-boost-for-east-leinster-project-34934104.html

So the gap between the haves and the have-nots continues to widen...

Croke Park needs to be filled .  Meath and Kildare will help that .  Makes sense . 
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Rossfan on August 27, 2016, 09:28:24 PM
First step in moving away from County to Regional teams?
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Jinxy on August 27, 2016, 09:29:59 PM
The flourbags won't be happy when they find out they have to share their half with Louth and Wicklow.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: OTF on August 27, 2016, 10:24:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 27, 2016, 09:28:24 PM
First step in moving away from County to Regional teams?

5 Super clubs east Leinster
2 Regional teams Ulster
2 Regionsl teams Munster
1 Connaght
In 20 years 70% of the populations will reside/work east Leinster the rest of the country will be like the north of England.
The 10 above teams will be professional.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Itchy on August 27, 2016, 10:27:07 PM
When are they going to do the same for Antrim? They are shite at football, hurling and building stadia. They have a huge population. Surely the GAA must give them a pile of dosh too?
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: seafoid on August 27, 2016, 10:49:52 PM
Flourbags and Meath were crap the last few years. Louth and Offaly are capable of a lot more. Wicklow I wouldn't bother with. There was something about Annalise Murphy coming back to Dun Laoghaire and the town having a party for the sailors and hockey players. Wicklow would be similar.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: johnpower on August 27, 2016, 11:59:23 PM
Sounds like a good idea but on big issue is the really poor participation levels by kids in commuter towns. This iniative will take time but  if you don't have the schools and parents involved it won't work. Another challenge is the proposed change to the soccer season
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Zulu on August 28, 2016, 01:13:06 AM
Are kids not engaged in GAA in commuter towns? From looking at some of the better minor club teams that wouldn't seem to be the case but I don't live in Ireland anymore so perhaps I have a false impression of things. If so, why would that be?
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: armaghniac on August 28, 2016, 01:20:21 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 27, 2016, 10:27:07 PM
When are they going to do the same for Antrim? They are shite at football, hurling and building stadia. They have a huge population. Surely the GAA must give them a pile of dosh too?

They offered them a stadium and they objected to it.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Rossfan on August 28, 2016, 08:55:24 AM
Probably because they felt they'd seldom get to play in it?
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: LeoMc on August 29, 2016, 08:58:22 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 28, 2016, 01:13:06 AM
Are kids not engaged in GAA in commuter towns? From looking at some of the better minor club teams that wouldn't seem to be the case but I don't live in Ireland anymore so perhaps I have a false impression of things. If so, why would that be?
So called commuter towns would typically be those which expanded rapidly with large housing developments due to their proximity to the new roads developed in the past 20 years and as such they would have a larger % of their population without the multi-generational ties to the local club.  As such the local GAA club has no moire pull than the local soccer club or rugby club.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on August 29, 2016, 05:44:32 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 29, 2016, 08:58:22 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 28, 2016, 01:13:06 AM
Are kids not engaged in GAA in commuter towns? From looking at some of the better minor club teams that wouldn't seem to be the case but I don't live in Ireland anymore so perhaps I have a false impression of things. If so, why would that be?
So called commuter towns would typically be those which expanded rapidly with large housing developments due to their proximity to the new roads developed in the past 20 years and as such they would have a larger % of their population without the multi-generational ties to the local club.  As such the local GAA club has no moire pull than the local soccer club or rugby club.

That's a key challenge facing a lot of these clubs alright.

Also lot of clubs in these areas which have seen a massive influx of new settlers simply aren't built to cater for the numbers. There's a lack of pitches, teams, coaches etc and a lot of people are turning to other codes.

There are a number of towns in north east Kildare which were no bigger than rural villages 40 years ago. They now have upwards of 20,000 people living in them yet there's still the same number of GAA clubs apart from in Leixlip where the Confey club was established in 1989.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Rossfan on August 29, 2016, 06:27:49 PM
Quote from: OTF on August 27, 2016, 10:24:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 27, 2016, 09:28:24 PM
First step in moving away from County to Regional teams?

5 Super clubs east Leinster
2 Regional teams Ulster
2 Regionsl teams Munster
1 Connaght

Hmmmmmmm.
North Dublin, South Dublin, North Leinster, East Leinster, South Leinster, West Munster, East Munster, Connacht, East Ulster, West Ulster.
Wont happen but would make for more even playing field compared to units of 30,000 trying to compete with 1.4m.
Also get a greater high standard of football.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 01, 2016, 04:25:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 29, 2016, 06:27:49 PM
Quote from: OTF on August 27, 2016, 10:24:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 27, 2016, 09:28:24 PM
First step in moving away from County to Regional teams?

5 Super clubs east Leinster
2 Regional teams Ulster
2 Regionsl teams Munster
1 Connaght

Hmmmmmmm.
North Dublin, South Dublin, North Leinster, East Leinster, South Leinster, West Munster, East Munster, Connacht, East Ulster, West Ulster.
Wont happen but would make for more even playing field compared to units of 30,000 trying to compete with 1.4m.
Also get a greater high standard of football.
Sooner or later, this present lopsided system will have to change- it's no longer fit for purpose. (Was it ever?)
According to Wikipedia;
"The population of the Dublin City, suburbs (Dublin City, Fingal, South Dublin & Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown) and Outer Greater Dublin (Meath, Kildare and Wicklow) as of Census 2016 was 1,904,806 persons.[2] This equates to 40.03% of Ireland's population. Estimates published by the Central Statistics Office suggest that the population will reach 2.1 million by 2021, and 2.4 million by 2026."
Pumping extra resources into this region  and leaving the rest of us to suck the hind tit is all very well but it's a short-sighted move.any counties outside the Pale are finding it hard enough to keep going  without any additional  problems not of their making.
Dublin's neighbours are running into problems of a different sort and it's not going to be easy finding a way around them.
I'm talking about the dormitory towns on Dublin's periphery, the likes of Ashbourne, Navan, Celbridge etc. The rapid increase in population here is made up mainly of Dubs moving out but continuing to commute to Dublin. They play little or no part in local activities and still support the Dublin team. Feral adolescents with more time and money than sense are more interested in fighting than in football and the rows are mainly along county allegiance lines.
Dunno what will be done but things can't go on as they are.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2016, 08:17:26 AM
All the 1,904,806 persons play Gaelic football? Wow.

Dublin senior football team = divisions 1-3, that's the playing population.

Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 02, 2016, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2016, 08:17:26 AM
All the 1,904,806 persons play Gaelic football? Wow.

Dublin senior football team = divisions 1-3, that's the playing population.
No son, they don't but sponsors do take not of the potential market and that's why Dublin will always find it easier to attract sponsors than, say, Mayo or Donegal and money comes in handy when you are preparing a team.
You've a better chance of finding top class players among a population of 1,904,806 than if you only had 130,425, which is the number in Mayo and that almost one tenth of Dublin's one.
Besides Dublin doesn't have the cost or the hassle associated with having to get players tp travel long distances to and from work/college either.
You may have only three divisions but you have 60 plus GDAs to ensure that those who get to senior club level are the pick of the crop and have been developed up through the ranks since juveniles.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: armaghniac on September 02, 2016, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2016, 08:17:26 AM
All the 1,904,806 persons play Gaelic football? Wow.

Dublin senior football team = divisions 1-3, that's the playing population.

Puerile comment. Not everyone plays in any county.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Rossfan on September 02, 2016, 02:37:09 PM
Looking ahead what percentage of the 1,9m are males aged 0-17?
Bet it's twice the percentage of Roscommon's 65,000.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2016, 02:50:29 PM
Gents gents gents, Divisions 1-3 maybe one or two from 4 and 5 Senior football leagues is Dublin Senior football team playing population.

Dublin have always had the population, why is it upsetting you all now?  We know why because they got their house in order and are winning all Irelands!



Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: armaghniac on September 02, 2016, 03:23:27 PM
As I pointed out here before,  when the GAA  was founded Dublin's population was only twice that of Mayo,  and a lot of those were in British army barracks etc.

So saying things like Dublin always had the population is also misleading.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2016, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 02, 2016, 03:23:27 PM
As I pointed out here before,  when the GAA  was founded Dublin's population was only twice that of Mayo,  and a lot of those were in British army barracks etc.

So saying things like Dublin always had the population is also misleading.

Understood but you know what I mean, last 50 years or so.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Zulu on September 02, 2016, 04:40:40 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 02, 2016, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2016, 08:17:26 AM
All the 1,904,806 persons play Gaelic football? Wow.

Dublin senior football team = divisions 1-3, that's the playing population.

You've a better chance of finding top class players among a population of 1,904,806 than if you only had 130,425, which is the number in Mayo and that almost one tenth of Dublin's one.

Not quite true, the research shows that there is a disproportionate number of elite athletes who come from areas with approx. 100,000 people. If you want your kid to be an elite athlete move to a city of 100,000!!

These discussions are pointless and unfairness is inbuilt in the GAA. Of course Dublin are dominating because of population and finance but also because of great work being done by an army of volunteers. No point in moaning about that when Mayo, Donegal, Cork, Tipp. Kerry etc. enjoy those advantages over Leitrim, Longford, Offaly etc.

You want a fair format, then scrap the counties, if you don't want to do that then suck it up. A lot of us have had to live in the shadows of the big counties for over 100 years.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Rossfan on September 02, 2016, 04:56:25 PM
My imagined ten regional teams based on more equal populations would at least ensure a more level playing field on that score anyway.
Can we see a future when we'll have both Counties and Regions??
Club Championships May/June, Inter County Championship July/August and Regional Championship September/October.
At least the Emlyn Mulligans of the future would get the chance of showcasing their talents to bigger audiences than at present.
His annual 9 or rare 10 competitive games hardly attract 15,000 people in total.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 03, 2016, 11:16:10 AM
Quote from: Zulu on September 02, 2016, 04:40:40 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 02, 2016, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2016, 08:17:26 AM
All the 1,904,806 persons play Gaelic football? Wow.

Dublin senior football team = divisions 1-3, that's the playing population.

You've a better chance of finding top class players among a population of 1,904,806 than if you only had 130,425, which is the number in Mayo and that almost one tenth of Dublin's one.

Not quite true, the research shows that there is a disproportionate number of elite athletes who come from areas with approx. 100,000 people. If you want your kid to be an elite athlete move to a city of 100,000!!

These discussions are pointless and unfairness is inbuilt in the GAA. Of course Dublin are dominating because of population and finance but also because of great work being done by an army of volunteers. No point in moaning about that when Mayo, Donegal, Cork, Tipp. Kerry etc. enjoy those advantages over Leitrim, Longford, Offaly etc.

You want a fair format, then scrap the counties, if you don't want to do that then suck it up. A lot of us have had to live in the shadows of the big counties for over 100 years.
Now, now no more of that!  ;D
My point still stands. I don't want my kids, or anyone else's, to be elite athletes; just GAA supporters and players if possible.
Here, the odds of Dublin having more players than Mayo is a given.
Anyway, as you say this hypothesising is pure daft. Other counties will aways be in with a shout because Dublin has to field just 15 layers at any one time and that's the same number as whoever opposes them and anything can happen on a given day.
But crucially Dublin will be there or thereabouts every third Sunday in September and the same can't be said of any of the others. I think the aim of the Dublin development plan was to see Dublin winning an average of one in every three AIs.
I'd shorten the odds to 2, or even 3, out of 5.

I've also said repeatedly that I have no personal grudge against Jim Gavin or his players. They are doing what any other county would do under the same circumstances. Good luck to them; they are not at fault but the intercounty model is.
Far too many counties have no realistic hope of winning Sam and the number is increasing.
My grouse is aimed at some (many?) Dublin supporters both here and elsewhere who go gung ho every time the Dubs win a match and won't accept that the odds are stacked in their favour every time.
According to them, Dublin's success can be put down to the sheer talent of the present squad alone and when Connolly, Brogan, Flynn etc. retire, Dublin will sink back into the peloton once more.
That just isn't going to happen because there's a hell of a lot more going for Dublin than the present team''s natural abilities.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: armaghniac on September 03, 2016, 11:39:32 AM
Quote from: Zulu on September 02, 2016, 04:40:40 PM
These discussions are pointless and unfairness is inbuilt in the GAA. Of course Dublin are dominating because of population and finance but also because of great work being done by an army of volunteers. No point in moaning about that when Mayo, Donegal, Cork, Tipp. Kerry etc. enjoy those advantages over Leitrim, Longford, Offaly etc.

Mayo enjoys a 4 fold advantage over Leitrim, not the 10 times Dublin has over Mayo. And of course Dublin enjoys a 40 fold advantage over Mayo, and growing.

Mayo is broadly similar in size to a large set of Irish counties. Dublin is a monster and a growing one.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Zulu on September 03, 2016, 12:01:09 PM
Using population is a false comparison. In terms of playing population we should be comparing underage playing populations and if we did that then the gap between Dublin and the rest narrows. Besides what are you saying, the Dublin advantage over Mayo, Kerry etc. is so big it's unfair but Mayo's advantages over Leitrim is reasonable so is not unfair?

Nobody is saying Dublin don't enjoy serious advantages over the rest of us but it is utter nonsense to moan about it unless you're advocating the abolishment of the county system. What difference is it to Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford and many more if you break up Dublin into 2, 4 or even 8 teams? Break up Cork, Kerry,
Mayo, Meath etc. and then everyone is plying from an even base but I think few want that.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: armaghniac on September 03, 2016, 12:10:53 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 03, 2016, 12:01:09 PM
Nobody is saying Dublin don't enjoy serious advantages over the rest of us but it is utter nonsense to moan about it unless you're advocating the abolishment of the county system. What difference is it to Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford and many more if you break up Dublin into 2, 4 or even 8 teams? Break up Cork, Kerry,
Mayo, Meath etc. and then everyone is plying from an even base but I think few want that.

It is for Leitrim to articulate whether they are unhappy with the present situation.
And while you might have a case with Cork, breaking up median sized counties is ridiculous.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Zulu on September 03, 2016, 12:30:06 PM
Why? How many Connacht titles have Leitrim won compared to Mayo? If we are talking about fairness surely the only reason Mayo have been so successful compared to Leitrim is population? They both are passionate about football and have very little hurling so population seems to be the clear difference.

Small counties have always been unhappy about the current situation but if they raised it they'd be laughed out of congress by the counties with 100,000 plus populations but now that Dublin are dominating the those counties they are crying foul.

Again, I'm not disagreeing that Dublin have major advantages and that if they dominate most years it won't be good for the sport. However, if we go down the route of changing the county format I see no reason why it's fair to weaken Dublin so the Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone's of the world can beat them while allowing those same counties retain their advantages over Leitrim etc.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 03, 2016, 12:42:37 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 03, 2016, 12:01:09 PM
Using population is a false comparison. In terms of playing population we should be comparing underage playing populations and if we did that then the gap between Dublin and the rest narrows. Besides what are you saying, the Dublin advantage over Mayo, Kerry etc. is so big it's unfair but Mayo's advantages over Leitrim is reasonable so is not unfair?

Nobody is saying Dublin don't enjoy serious advantages over the rest of us but it is utter nonsense to moan about it unless you're advocating the abolishment of the county system. What difference is it to Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford and many more if you break up Dublin into 2, 4 or even 8 teams? Break up Cork, Kerry,
Mayo, Meath etc. and then everyone is plying from an even base but I think few want that.
It most certainly does not!!
I don't know where you got your figures from but they are in variance with fact to put it delicately.
I have mentioned the report commissioned by Peter Quinn back in the early 90s that dealt in part with the numbers of underage players in Dulin and to a lesser extent those in other counties.
One of the key findings was that 5 Dublin clubs at that time could field a greater umber of juveniles than any of five different counties. Meanwhile, the number of mega clubs in Dublin has been increasing and the numbers of juvenile players in most counties has been dropping- you can blame rural depopulation for that.
I mentioned earlier that a Skerries Harps member told me that his club had a total of 70 (give or take maybe two) teams. Meanwhile in Mayo an Intermediate club bears the name of Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin.
No pfrizes for guessing why this club has such a long name.

BTW, out of curiosity, 'where did you get those juvenile numbers from?
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Rossfan on September 03, 2016, 01:07:20 PM
A couple of years ago Roscommon's most Northern club had 29 boys at Primary school in their parish area.
That's 8 classes!!!
There are a number of amalgamations at minor level here now and unless economic conditions improve massively and soon  this will become the norm at adult level too.
Apart from areas adjacent to Athlone, Sligo town and Galway this will be the norm over most of rural Connacht.
Meanwhile Dublin and " East Leinster" have so many young lads they can't handle them all.
I'm absolutely in favour of the GAA getting  stuck into the populated areas and getting loads of them playing Gaelic games.
However the implications for representative football ( currently Inter County) are ominous.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 03, 2016, 02:37:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 03, 2016, 01:07:20 PM
A couple of years ago Roscommon's most Northern club had 29 boys at Primary school in their parish area.
That's 8 classes!!!
There are a number of amalgamations at minor level here now and unless economic conditions improve massively and soon  this will become the norm at adult level too.
Apart from areas adjacent to Athlone, Sligo town and Galway this will be the norm over most of rural Connacht.
Meanwhile Dublin and " East Leinster" have so many young lads they can't handle them all.
I'm absolutely in favour of the GAA getting  stuck into the populated areas and getting loads of them playing Gaelic games.
However the implications for representative football ( currently Inter County) are ominous.

+1
And the story is the same for all most rural regions.
I've no problem either with the GAA helping populated counties to cater adequately for the assloads of kids who want to play Gaelic but right now, the rest of us can go suck the hind tit for all officialdom cares.
Meanwhile, as the divide between East and West continues to widen, those problems will grow.
I agree that the representative competitions need a restructuring of some sort.

Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: armaghniac on September 03, 2016, 02:39:51 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 03, 2016, 01:07:20 PM
I'm absolutely in favour of the GAA getting  stuck into the populated areas and getting loads of them playing Gaelic games.
However the implications for representative football ( currently Inter County) are ominous.

This is the point. We want the GAA to get everyone in Dublin playing GAA and criticism of efforts to do this are off the mark. But excessively sized clubs and county teams resulting from this cannot be allow distort national competitions.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Rossfan on September 03, 2016, 04:02:48 PM
As a Politician might put it - this is a conversation the GAA needs to be having.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 03, 2016, 04:21:42 PM
Urban areas need to get more kids playing GAA by going into schools and giving opportunities to play and make a connection to the local club

Rural areas need to ensure every available child is encouraged & enjoys playing in school and is involved with the local club from an early age.

Both are different issues, but both need funding in terms of full time or part time coaches.
The disparity between funding for the Pale and other counties is a problem.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Zulu on September 03, 2016, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 03, 2016, 12:42:37 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 03, 2016, 12:01:09 PM
Using population is a false comparison. In terms of playing population we should be comparing underage playing populations and if we did that then the gap between Dublin and the rest narrows. Besides what are you saying, the Dublin advantage over Mayo, Kerry etc. is so big it's unfair but Mayo's advantages over Leitrim is reasonable so is not unfair?

Nobody is saying Dublin don't enjoy serious advantages over the rest of us but it is utter nonsense to moan about it unless you're advocating the abolishment of the county system. What difference is it to Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford and many more if you break up Dublin into 2, 4 or even 8 teams? Break up Cork, Kerry,
Mayo, Meath etc. and then everyone is plying from an even base but I think few want that.
It most certainly does not!!
I don't know where you got your figures from but they are in variance with fact to put it delicately.
I have mentioned the report commissioned by Peter Quinn back in the early 90s that dealt in part with the numbers of underage players in Dulin and to a lesser extent those in other counties.
One of the key findings was that 5 Dublin clubs at that time could field a greater umber of juveniles than any of five different counties. Meanwhile, the number of mega clubs in Dublin has been increasing and the numbers of juvenile players in most counties has been dropping- you can blame rural depopulation for that.
I mentioned earlier that a Skerries Harps member told me that his club had a total of 70 (give or take maybe two) teams. Meanwhile in Mayo an Intermediate club bears the name of Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin.
No pfrizes for guessing why this club has such a long name.

BTW, out of curiosity, 'where did you get those juvenile numbers from?

No numbers Lar, just speculating that a higher number of kids in Kerry or Mayo would play, and stick with, football than in Dublin so while Dublin still have much more players it isn't as pronounced as the total populations would indicate.

The issue here isn't Dublin but the inter county representative competitions. If they are to be stuck with then there is nothing to be done but for everyone to do the best they can. If they are to be changed so Dublin become less dominant I don't see how you can argue it shouldn't be changed across the board to give the Leitrim's a chance too.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: seafoid on September 03, 2016, 05:27:16 PM
Ireland needs a different economic model that isn't Dublin centric.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Mayo4sam16 on September 14, 2016, 11:15:18 PM
well you would want to be naive to think that Dublin's structural footballing foundations emanating from the funding has had no bearing on your revival the last 7 years or so. You can't buy talent but you can nurture it, support it, maintain it etc.

Personally I think all county structures need funding, I know the secretary of Kildare GAA and there are many talented Kildare players who just don't have the support to nurture their talent. They are disillusioned and often unmotivated .

Look at Cork GAA. If your players haven't a good relationship with those who are running the board, disillusionment surfaces, any conflict in the camp will produce this.

Dublin players are under a great tent of support and fair play to them. You can't begrudge any team that dedicates over 9 months flat to the board training for having that structure and system and amenities.

It isn't about being bitter, for me anyway, its more frustration that we arent getting the best out of a lot of our players elsewhere in the country.

Put the whole Dubs against the world mindset behind and acknowledge other peoples opinions somewhat
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: armaghniac on September 16, 2016, 04:06:06 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 03, 2016, 05:08:18 PM
The issue here isn't Dublin but the inter county representative competitions. If they are to be stuck with then there is nothing to be done but for everyone to do the best they can. If they are to be changed so Dublin become less dominant I don't see how you can argue it shouldn't be changed across the board to give the Leitrim's a chance too.

There is a fair spread of counties in the middle who are more less competitive with each other. If Leitrim feel intimidated then they should allowed merge with a neighbour if they agree. The point is that Leitrim are mostly a problem to themselves, whereas Dublin are a problem for everyone else. Doing the best you can, doesn't really cut it
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 16, 2016, 08:24:26 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 03, 2016, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 03, 2016, 12:42:37 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 03, 2016, 12:01:09 PM
Using population is a false comparison. In terms of playing population we should be comparing underage playing populations and if we did that then the gap between Dublin and the rest narrows. Besides what are you saying, the Dublin advantage over Mayo, Kerry etc. is so big it's unfair but Mayo's advantages over Leitrim is reasonable so is not unfair?

Nobody is saying Dublin don't enjoy serious advantages over the rest of us but it is utter nonsense to moan about it unless you're advocating the abolishment of the county system. What difference is it to Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford and many more if you break up Dublin into 2, 4 or even 8 teams? Break up Cork, Kerry,
Mayo, Meath etc. and then everyone is plying from an even base but I think few want that.
It most certainly does not!!
I don't know where you got your figures from but they are in variance with fact to put it delicately.
I have mentioned the report commissioned by Peter Quinn back in the early 90s that dealt in part with the numbers of underage players in Dulin and to a lesser extent those in other counties.
One of the key findings was that 5 Dublin clubs at that time could field a greater umber of juveniles than any of five different counties. Meanwhile, the number of mega clubs in Dublin has been increasing and the numbers of juvenile players in most counties has been dropping- you can blame rural depopulation for that.
I mentioned earlier that a Skerries Harps member told me that his club had a total of 70 (give or take maybe two) teams. Meanwhile in Mayo an Intermediate club bears the name of Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin.
No pfrizes for guessing why this club has such a long name.

BTW, out of curiosity, 'where did you get those juvenile numbers from?

No numbers Lar, just speculating that a higher number of kids in Kerry or Mayo would play, and stick with, football than in Dublin so while Dublin still have much more players it isn't as pronounced as the total populations would indicate.

The issue here isn't Dublin but the inter county representative competitions. If they are to be stuck with then there is nothing to be done but for everyone to do the best they can. If they are to be changed so Dublin become less dominant I don't see how you can argue it shouldn't be changed across the board to give the Leitrim's a chance too.
The percentage of kids who stay with their clubs in, say, Mayo or Kerry is undoubtedly higher than is the case with their counterparts in Dublin but to go with that to prove anything else is very misleading.

To begin with, the total numbers playing in Dublin far outnumber those in any other county. If you recall, I quoted the findings of the report on the state of football in Dublin, commissioned during Peter Quinn's period as President. That was as far back as the early 90s.
One of the key findings was that 5 Dublin clubs (Bridgets, Thomas Davis, Vincents, St Annes and Ballyboden) could field as many juvenile players as any of 5 counties (Sligo, Leitrim, Fermanagh, Cavan and Roscommon) in the north west of the country.
The number of mega clubs in Dublin has grown in numbers since then, whereas the numbers of kids playing in those counties and a good few others are not increasing at anywhere near the same rate.
Superclubs are all well and good but they make very inefficient use of their players, which was one of the concerns of this report.
The number of sides fielded decreases dramatically as the age level increases and consequently large numbers of youngsters are unable to continue playing.
A club could field , say, up to five sides in football or hurling at u14 level but the number is reduced to 2 at minor level.
Some kids will inevitably drop out as they develop other interests but for many, it's a case of not being wanted anymore.
Those who leave such clubs tend not to remain involved in any way. (Except possibly drinking and socialising in the club bar.)
The major finding of this report was that more kids are being lost to the GAA in Dublin than in anywhere else. So success on the senior intercounty front is coming with a hefty price tag.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: CJ2017 on September 14, 2018, 07:18:13 AM
€1.5m Million East Leinster Project

John Horan - GAA President

"The programme we're putting in East Leinster [focusing on Louth, Meath, Kildare and Wicklow] will put that on the table for the counties and their bigger clubs: do they want to part-fund a position and, if they want to, they get a full coach like in Dublin. If they're not in a position to half-fund it, well then they can get a smaller contribution.

"The funding is expected to at least double and even treble the number of full-time coaching positions in some if not all four counties"

From the Leinster GAA Annual Report 2017

I reflected recently on a previous annual report booklet where a respected GAA official recalled Peig Sawyers and the practice of 'ag
bothantaíocht'. Michael Delaney was referring to the Urbanisation of East Leinster and the lack of action in trying to address this issue. Well
Michael, we have made considerable progress in this area in the last year.


In an attempt to close the obvious gaps, we made a proposal to management in Croke Park that an increase in funding into a four county
region in the province would be a great help. This was accepted and as a result a fund of 500K per year for 3 years is being put in place. This
was funded by 300K from central funds and 200k from Dublin's budget. The first of these appointments of a new coach occurred in
Dunboyne, to which the club make a contribution to the cost themselves. This, I feel, will have a huge impact on improving our performance
on the ground in the East Leinster region. Other areas in the province will not suffer as their positions will be under constant scrutiny in
relation to their needs


taken from Leinster GAA Annual Report 2017 available at the link
http://leinstergaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/2018/01/LConv_17_WEB-2.pdf (http://leinstergaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/2018/01/LConv_17_WEB-2.pdf)
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Jinxy on September 14, 2018, 09:08:50 AM
HQ needs to fund a programme to deradicalise the children of Dublin parents that have moved to the likes of Dunboyne, Ashbourne etc.
Break them down and build them back up in a culture of manliness.
Then deport their parents.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Rossfan on September 14, 2018, 10:03:03 AM
So as well as having a population of around 750k (100k more than the 11 BMW) these 4 lazy Counties are going to get loads of €s to try and make a competitive Leinster Championship.
Only Meath have any tradition
Kildare 3 Provincial titles in over 80 years
Wicklow none ever
Louth 1* on the last 60.
Maybe they should give all the cash to the Biffos -or is it simply recognition that only Counties with large young populations will be able to compete for AIs in future.

*awarded to Meath.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Jinxy on September 14, 2018, 10:09:15 AM
Because we're worth it.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: seafoid on September 14, 2018, 10:25:38 AM
If it is money and population based there is no point in reinventing the wheel.
The money should go to existing distribution points in the Pale, namely Dundalk, Drogheda United, St Patrick's Athletic, Bohemians, Shelbourne etc

There may be some problems with the style of football played but this shouldn't be a deal breaker especially with short kick outs. Over time the hand pass could be phased out.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 14, 2018, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 14, 2018, 10:03:03 AM
So as well as having a population of around 750k (100k more than the 11 BMW) these 4 lazy Counties are going to get loads of €s to try and make a competitive Leinster Championship.
Only Meath have any tradition
Kildare 3 Provincial titles in over 80 years
Wicklow none ever
Louth 1* on the last 60.
Maybe they should give all the cash to the Biffos -or is it simply recognition that only Counties with large young populations will be able to compete for AIs in future.

*awarded to Meath.

I'll bite

Louth and Kildare have more All-Irelands than Roscommon. Kildare have have also more quarter-final & semi-final appearances than Roscommon in the last 20 years. The All-Ireland series is probably the fairest barometer. So if Kildare no tradition, does that mean the moldy yougart in my fridge has more tradition that Roscommon?
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 14, 2018, 10:37:24 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 14, 2018, 10:03:03 AM
So as well as having a population of around 750k (100k more than the 11 BMW) these 4 lazy Counties are going to get loads of €s to try and make a competitive Leinster Championship.
Only Meath have any tradition
Kildare 3 Provincial titles in over 80 years
Wicklow none ever
Louth 1* on the last 60.
Maybe they should give all the cash to the Biffos -or is it simply recognition that only Counties with large young populations will be able to compete for AIs in future.

*awarded to Meath.

750k is a lot of potential 'customers'; Thats what they see them as!!
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Rossfan on September 14, 2018, 11:43:59 AM
I'll bite back Dinny :D
Kildare AIs were won at a time we were still recovering from the Famines  (last one 1879/80) here in the West as were 2 of Louth's (one a walkover as Kerry wouldn't pay increased train fares).
If you go decades without winning then an ancient tradition becomes irrelevant.
But seriously it seems the GAA's €€€s will be going where the young population is growing. Was reading the other day that Sallins has 2,000 children under 12!!
There's hardly that in Co Roscommon.
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 14, 2018, 12:10:17 PM
Sure we don't need any of that fancy highfalutin funding over on the western seaboard. We can survive on sea air and 'atin shtones!
Title: Re: “East Leinster Project” - Dublin’s Neighbours to get Enhanced Funding
Post by: Jinxy on September 14, 2018, 12:11:04 PM
Ye don't have to compete with the internet.