Who is the most bitter after Dubs do 5 in a row

[seafoid]

still think the situation can be fixed.

Of course it can.

There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.

And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.

It's not just about 30 players anymore.

Why not?

You have your best 30 or so, and replace 2 to 5 each year. No reason a number of counties can't be as good as Kerry.

Never more has it been about money and funding, and not the players.

In order to compete with Dublin, you need massive funding. You need it continually for 10-15 years, along with facilities, coaches, etc etc. Dublin are also at an advantage as their players live and work in a small area. Take larger counties like Cork, Galway, Donegal etc - players driving big distances to and from training. Plus, that's not counting players who are coming from other parts of the country (mainly Dublin), from college/work. All those hours in a car takes its toll. While Dublin players are resting, Donegal players have 2/3 hours driving ahead of them. Other county players either do the big miles or don't play county at all.

At a time when movement of people towards Dublin City is at an all time high, the rural population is rapidly declining, as is rural football, club and county. How great would it be for Offaly players to be all living and working in around Tullamore, short journey to training, up fresh for work next day. I'd say a lot of them lads are coming from Dublin/Galway etc, big miles from work/college, as the education/jobs just aren't there in Offaly. Same with a hell of a lot of counties.

Training weekends are vital now, that costs huge amounts. That costs money, money that would come from huge multi national brands sponsoring the team shirts. How many big insurance firms are in Longford? Leitrim? Carlow? There's few big companies in those counties. Dublin are paid £1m+ by AIG. How does other counties compete with that? They can't.

Years ago, the old adage that each county have 20 players as good as any other county, and could win an AI. While each county has as good a players as anyone else, most haven't a hope in hell of winning an AI.

The GAA financialised Gaelic Football

The Dubs have

a. EUR 1.2 m per annum
b. the biggest sponsorship deal
c. higher GDP per head than anywhere else
d a 15 year headstart

they could win the next 5, if not more 
The sport is broken

[Taylor]

I applaud Dublin for making the most of it.

Almost totally different starting 15 from the first of the five shows they are a superb group of players.

Interesting to note in the papers yesterday there was little to nothing about the huge financial gap between the Dubs and the rest of the counties. All rightly applauding the Dubs but missing the elephant in the room.

If the counties dont kick up a stink and the tabloid and TV journalists/pundits are ignoring it the game is totally fecked as we know it.

PS - Anthony Moyles making an arse of himself on Twitter saying the finances have been levelled out 

[Cunny Funt]

still think the situation can be fixed.

Of course it can.

There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.

And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.

That's funny, I could take you seriously if Kerry hadn't lost the All Ireland by the joint biggest margin since 2007 ( same as Tyrone last year ) .

Kerry 10 wides and missed a sitter of a goal chance, which would have levelled the scores. They did draw also previously! But even ignoring that, this was a far more competitive game than the Tyrone final.

The bare stats would say different.

Dublin in last years final scored 2-17 (23)
Dublin in the replay last Saturday scored 1-18 (21)

Tyrone last year scored 1-14 compared to Kerry's 0-15 on Saturday. Tyrone hit as many wides if not more than Kerry did last Saturday. We got a better 1st half on Saturday but in both finals Dublin won pulling up.

You came out with the view after the draw with 14 man Dublin that Kerry knew how to beat Dublin, i think the replay proved otherwise.

[Cunny Funt]

I applaud Dublin for making the most of it.

Almost totally different starting 15 from the first of the five shows they are a superb group of players.

Interesting to note in the papers yesterday there was little to nothing about the huge financial gap between the Dubs and the rest of the counties. All rightly applauding the Dubs but missing the elephant in the room.

If the counties dont kick up a stink and the tabloid and TV journalists/pundits are ignoring it the game is totally fecked as we know it.

PS - Anthony Moyles making an arse of himself on Twitter saying the finances have been levelled out 

Which is why Dublin should be classed as the greatest panel of all time than team. The Kerry team that almost won 5 in a row was more or less one same starting team in those five years and when you include subs brought on i think they only used 21 players a feat that won't ever be repeated as its more of squad game nowadays.

[Hound]

I applaud Dublin for making the most of it.

Almost totally different starting 15 from the first of the five shows they are a superb group of players.

Interesting to note in the papers yesterday there was little to nothing about the huge financial gap between the Dubs and the rest of the counties. All rightly applauding the Dubs but missing the elephant in the room.

If the counties dont kick up a stink and the tabloid and TV journalists/pundits are ignoring it the game is totally fecked as we know it.

PS - Anthony Moyles making an arse of himself on Twitter saying the finances have been levelled out 

Which is why Dublin should be classed as the greatest panel of all time than team. The Kerry team that almost won 5 in a row was more or less one same starting team in those five years and when you include subs brought on i think they only used 21 players a feat that won't ever be repeated as its more of squad game nowadays.

"almost totally different starting line up" is a bit of an exaggeration! We'd 7 lads who finished the game yesterday who played in the AI final 8 years ago (and another two on the bench). But, yep we've absolutely used more players in the 5 years than Kerry did in those 5 years.

[seafoid]

If it was soccer there would be financial fair play rules
Most sports encourage competitiveness to avoid one team dominating
the GAA is way out of its depth with this experiment

[Hound]

still think the situation can be fixed.

Of course it can.

There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.

And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.

It's not just about 30 players anymore.

Why not?

You have your best 30 or so, and replace 2 to 5 each year. No reason a number of counties can't be as good as Kerry.

Take larger counties like Cork, Galway, Donegal etc - players driving big distances to and from training. Plus, that's not counting players who are coming from other parts of the country (mainly Dublin), from college/work. All those hours in a car takes its toll. While Dublin players are resting, Donegal players have 2/3 hours driving ahead of them. Other county players either do the big miles or don't play county at all.

At a time when movement of people towards Dublin City is at an all time high, the rural population is rapidly declining, as is rural football, club and county. How great would it be for Offaly players to be all living and working in around Tullamore, short journey to training, up fresh for work next day. I'd say a lot of them lads are coming from Dublin/Galway etc, big miles from work/college, as the education/jobs just aren't there in Offaly. Same with a hell of a lot of counties.

Training weekends are vital now, that costs huge amounts. That costs money, money that would come from huge multi national brands sponsoring the team shirts. How many big insurance firms are in Longford? Leitrim? Carlow? There's few big companies in those counties. Dublin are paid £1m+ by AIG. How does other counties compete with that? They can't.

Years ago, the old adage that each county have 20 players as good as any other county, and could win an AI. While each county has as good a players as anyone else, most haven't a hope in hell of winning an AI.

Absolutely agree and I'v mentioned most of those points before.

The binning on McCreevy's decentralisation plan by culchie TDs who were upset at other counties/towns getting extra civil service jobs was a bad day for the GAA. The current administration are doing very little to stop the population drive towards Dublin.

Although just today I came across the following from the American Chamber of Commerce's budget submission:

Southern & Western Priorities: Building on the significant enhancements to the road network linking the capital with the main cities of the west and south, the following
projects within the Project 2040 are vitally important opportunities to enhance physical connectivity;
In Munster
• The delivery of the M20 project between Cork and Limerick would significantly enhance the Atlantic/Western economic corridor by linking population centres, industrial clusters, ports and air hubs and thus improving regional connectivity and competitiveness to retain and attract investment.
Proposals for the N28 Cork to Ringaskiddy motorway must be delivered in a timely manner to support high-tech life science investment in that important manufacturing and development hub.
In Galway
• Advancing the N6 Galway City Transport Project, especially  improved access to Parkmore's industrial zone

Northwest Accessibility: The American Chamber acknowledges the special attention that the Northwest Region received in the National Planning Framework considering the risks arising from Brexit. The region is not well connected to Dublin or international airports. The development of the A5/N2 between Derry and Dublin remains the priority for American Chamber members in the region. The American Chamber notes that the following are priority short to medium term projects:
• The N14 Letterkenny to Lifford route with connectivity to the A5 (with supporting improvement and bypass projects) to dual carriageway standard;
• In Sligo, while the N4-M4 route upgrade to dual carriageway standard remains the objective, the timely delivery of the N4 Collooney to Castlebaldwin development is greatly anticipated.
• A step forward in connectivity of the midlands and the West will be achieved with the completion of the N5 upgrade.

So maybe people are thinking about it.

Kerry manage to keep a lot of their players in and around the county. Would be interesting to examine how they manage it

[Rossfan]

A lot more businesses/jobs in Tralee and Killarney than the likes of Elphin and Frenchpark.

[Farrandeelin]

still think the situation can be fixed.

Of course it can.

There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.

And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.

It's not just about 30 players anymore.

Why not?

You have your best 30 or so, and replace 2 to 5 each year. No reason a number of counties can't be as good as Kerry.

Take larger counties like Cork, Galway, Donegal etc - players driving big distances to and from training. Plus, that's not counting players who are coming from other parts of the country (mainly Dublin), from college/work. All those hours in a car takes its toll. While Dublin players are resting, Donegal players have 2/3 hours driving ahead of them. Other county players either do the big miles or don't play county at all.

At a time when movement of people towards Dublin City is at an all time high, the rural population is rapidly declining, as is rural football, club and county. How great would it be for Offaly players to be all living and working in around Tullamore, short journey to training, up fresh for work next day. I'd say a lot of them lads are coming from Dublin/Galway etc, big miles from work/college, as the education/jobs just aren't there in Offaly. Same with a hell of a lot of counties.

Training weekends are vital now, that costs huge amounts. That costs money, money that would come from huge multi national brands sponsoring the team shirts. How many big insurance firms are in Longford? Leitrim? Carlow? There's few big companies in those counties. Dublin are paid £1m+ by AIG. How does other counties compete with that? They can't.

Years ago, the old adage that each county have 20 players as good as any other county, and could win an AI. While each county has as good a players as anyone else, most haven't a hope in hell of winning an AI.

Absolutely agree and I'v mentioned most of those points before.

The binning on McCreevy's decentralisation plan by culchie TDs who were upset at other counties/towns getting extra civil service jobs was a bad day for the GAA. The current administration are doing very little to stop the population drive towards Dublin.

Although just today I came across the following from the American Chamber of Commerce's budget submission:

Southern & Western Priorities: Building on the significant enhancements to the road network linking the capital with the main cities of the west and south, the following
projects within the Project 2040 are vitally important opportunities to enhance physical connectivity;
In Munster
• The delivery of the M20 project between Cork and Limerick would significantly enhance the Atlantic/Western economic corridor by linking population centres, industrial clusters, ports and air hubs and thus improving regional connectivity and competitiveness to retain and attract investment.
Proposals for the N28 Cork to Ringaskiddy motorway must be delivered in a timely manner to support high-tech life science investment in that important manufacturing and development hub.
In Galway
• Advancing the N6 Galway City Transport Project, especially  improved access to Parkmore's industrial zone

Northwest Accessibility: The American Chamber acknowledges the special attention that the Northwest Region received in the National Planning Framework considering the risks arising from Brexit. The region is not well connected to Dublin or international airports. The development of the A5/N2 between Derry and Dublin remains the priority for American Chamber members in the region. The American Chamber notes that the following are priority short to medium term projects:
• The N14 Letterkenny to Lifford route with connectivity to the A5 (with supporting improvement and bypass projects) to dual carriageway standard;
• In Sligo, while the N4-M4 route upgrade to dual carriageway standard remains the objective, the timely delivery of the N4 Collooney to Castlebaldwin development is greatly anticipated.
• A step forward in connectivity of the midlands and the West will be achieved with the completion of the N5 upgrade.

So maybe people are thinking about it.

Kerry manage to keep a lot of their players in and around the county. Would be interesting to examine how they manage it

Yippee!

But thinking about it and doing it are totally different things.

[seafoid]

Kevin McStay
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/kevin-mcstay-great-worry-is-that-dublin-are-unbeatable-1.4020060

Dublin therefore know they are athletically better conditioned than the other teams. That gives you an enormous weapon in any ball sport. So on Saturday night, Dublin went after the likes of David Clifford and Moran and they took them on tours of the park. They tested their aerobic capacity. They want to empty them of gas. It is no coincidence that Kerry stopped scoring in the last 15 minutes of both finals. It is Dublin's movement off the ball that staggers me. They have a near sadistic appetite for punishing running. And they tackle hard so you will be sore and sucking for oxygen when you get up. Again and again. Look at the domination of the All-Blacks. It is built on physical supremacy. It is built on pace and power. That is what Dublin are about now.

If Dublin win six, then the thing moves from historic to overwhelming. In public, Dublin talk about humility and community and family. And they mean it. Their public persona is that it is a huge privilege to wear that jersey. And it is. But when they get down to business, it is a hugely professional structure driven by people whose specialise in excellence.
So for the rest of the GAA family, the sight of six-in-a-row will be a bridge too far. They will begin to insist on intervention. Nobody within the official GAA has stepped out yet and said: we acknowledge that this is a problem. The tier-two system is just a band-aid to the issue. Most county boards are stretched financially. They don't have established annual income streams. A lot of the energy of officialdom is to try and churn out enough money just to keep their teams on the road."

[highorlow]

Good piece by McStay. Himself and Canavan are the only ex players so far (that I've heard) to sort of tell it as it is.

He says in his piece that it's no coincidence that Kerry didn't score in the last 15 minutes, any other opposition team rarely scores against them in the last 15 in the championship.

[seafoid]

Good piece by McStay. Himself and Canavan are the only ex players so far (that I've heard) to sort of tell it as it is.

He says in his piece that it's no coincidence that Kerry didn't score in the last 15 minutes, any other opposition team rarely scores against them in the last 15 in the championship.

The GAA doesn't want to talk about it
Next year might be the tipping point .

McStay again

" I remember Ciarán Whelan arguing that the massive GAA investment in Dublin has not influenced the current senior team. He felt that the roll-out and dividend of players from that huge GAA investment is just now beginning to emerge."

This is senior hurling

[Rossfan]

Last para by McStay sums it up well.
GAA HQ unleashed the Monster. It's up to the other 31 to force them to do something about it.

[Hound]

McStay's a waffler. When he's making a point that might be contentious, he doesn't have the gumption to make it himself, he puts the credit/blame on someone else, like Whelan and Canavan above. 

McStay was on one of the preview podcasts before the Mayo v Donegal game. Someone else suggested match-ups for Mayo defenders to pick up the Donegal forwards. McStay added a couple of comments to support the suggested match-ups. Then the presenter said to him, "what about the match-ups down the other end?". McStay himmmed and hawwed for a couple of seconds, then said "ah, I wouldn't know enough about the Donegal defenders". 

Like FFS. Not only a paid analyst, but he's just out of being an intercounty manager!!

Overall, it was a strange evening. An All-Ireland final on a Sunday at half-past three is a national occasion. It is a ceremony that dominates the day. A replay is different. Saturday night at six o'clock: the world is getting ready to go out on the town. There was no minor match, no crowd gathering in the stadium and the overall sense of the evening was: this very important game needs a resolution. But the sense of occasion was absent. So I have a strong, strong sense that the All-Irelands should go back to September and that any replay should be on a Sunday. The scale of Dublin's achievement deserved a bigger occasion.

As someone who was at the game, the above from his article today is complete and utter nonsense. Drivel.

[seafoid]

McStay's a waffler. When he's making a point that might be contentious, he doesn't have the gumption to make it himself, he puts the credit/blame on someone else, like Whelan and Canavan above. 

McStay was on one of the preview podcasts before the Mayo v Donegal game. Someone else suggested match-ups for Mayo defenders to pick up the Donegal forwards. McStay added a couple of comments to support the suggested match-ups. Then the presenter said to him, "what about the match-ups down the other end?". McStay himmmed and hawwed for a couple of seconds, then said "ah, I wouldn't know enough about the Donegal defenders". 

Like FFS. Not only a paid analyst, but he's just out of being an intercounty manager!!

Overall, it was a strange evening. An All-Ireland final on a Sunday at half-past three is a national occasion. It is a ceremony that dominates the day. A replay is different. Saturday night at six o'clock: the world is getting ready to go out on the town. There was no minor match, no crowd gathering in the stadium and the overall sense of the evening was: this very important game needs a resolution. But the sense of occasion was absent. So I have a strong, strong sense that the All-Irelands should go back to September and that any replay should be on a Sunday. The scale of Dublin's achievement deserved a bigger occasion.

As someone who was at the game, the above from his article today is complete and utter nonsense. Drivel.

Ad hom, Hound
Sign of a weak argument/unwillingness to engage

Address the points, not McStay.