I'm interested in collating how many clubs in Ireland are named after Republican figures, particularly those from the 1916 and 1798 rebellions. Feel free to add your own county.
Armagh folk may want to correct me, or add more...
PATRICK PEARSE
Annaghmore
SEAN McDERMOTT
Maghery
ROBERT EMMET
Clonmore
Dorsey
MICHAEL DWYER
Keady
WOLFE TONE
Derrymacash
O'DONOVAN ROSSA
Mullabrack
THE O'RAHILLY
Collegeland
SEAN SOUTH
Clady
Thomas Davis - Corringshego
Michael Davitt - Ballyhegan
Patrick Pearse - Pearse Óg
Dungannon Thomas Clarke
Ones I can think of in Galway
Sarsfields New Inn. Aughrim is in the parish I think
Pearses Gurteen
Liam Mellowes Galway
Tommie Larkins dunno
Mayo has Davitts. I think he was the greatest of all the revolutionaries.
Fantastic name for a club.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2016, 05:35:47 PM
I'm interested in collating how many clubs in Ireland are named after Republican figures, particularly those from the 1916 and 1798 rebellions. Feel free to add your own county.
Armagh folk may want to correct me, or add more...
PATRICK PEARSE
Annaghmore
SEAN McDERMOTT
Maghery
ROBERT EMMET
Clonmore
Dorsey
MICHAEL DWYER
Keady
WOLFE TONE
Derrymacash
O'DONOVAN ROSSA
Mullabrack
THE O'RAHILLY
Collegeland
SEAN SOUTH
Clady
How can you come up with Annaghmore Pearses amd not think of adding Pearse Og?
Must be a harps man.
Quote from: seafoid on October 05, 2016, 07:07:05 PM
Ones I can think of in Galway
Sarsfields New Inn. Aughrim is in the parish I think
Pearses Gurteen
Liam Mellowes Galway
Tommie Larkins dunno
Mayo has Davitts. I think he was the greatest of all the revolutionaries.
Fantastic name for a club.
Aughrim is Kiltormer??
Adamstown
Quote from: PW Nally on October 05, 2016, 07:43:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 05, 2016, 07:07:05 PM
Ones I can think of in Galway
Sarsfields New Inn. Aughrim is in the parish I think
Pearses Gurteen
Liam Mellowes Galway
Tommie Larkins dunno
Mayo has Davitts. I think he was the greatest of all the revolutionaries.
Fantastic name for a club.
Aughrim is Kiltormer??
Kiltormer is south of the county. Aughrim is between Loughrea and Ballinasloe
Ros - Padraig Pearses, Michael Gladys
Longford - Wolfe Tones, Sean Connelly's, Emmet Óg Killoe
Quote from: seafoid on October 05, 2016, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on October 05, 2016, 07:43:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 05, 2016, 07:07:05 PM
Ones I can think of in Galway
Sarsfields New Inn. Aughrim is in the parish I think
Pearses Gurteen
Liam Mellowes Galway
Tommie Larkins dunno
Mayo has Davitts. I think he was the greatest of all the revolutionaries.
Fantastic name for a club.
Aughrim is Kiltormer??
Kiltormer is south of the county. Aughrim is between Loughrea and Ballinasloe
10km apart according to Google map. Misinformed previously obviously.
Sarsfields used be referred to Bullaun - New Inn. Just curious what club Aughrim aligned to.
Quote from: ardchieftain on October 05, 2016, 07:35:49 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2016, 05:35:47 PM
I'm interested in collating how many clubs in Ireland are named after Republican figures, particularly those from the 1916 and 1798 rebellions. Feel free to add your own county.
Armagh folk may want to correct me, or add more...
PATRICK PEARSE
Annaghmore
SEAN McDERMOTT
Maghery
ROBERT EMMET
Clonmore
Dorsey
MICHAEL DWYER
Keady
WOLFE TONE
Derrymacash
O'DONOVAN ROSSA
Mullabrack
THE O'RAHILLY
Collegeland
SEAN SOUTH
Clady
How can you come up with Annaghmore Pearses amd not think of adding Pearse Og?
Must be a harps man.
Lol nah not a Harps man. I honestly never thought of it. Just slipped my mind.
Quote from: general_lee on October 05, 2016, 06:03:31 PM
Thomas Davis - Corringshego
Michael Davitt - Ballyhegan
Patrick Pearse - Pearse Óg
Had thought Davitt was more of a political figure with the Land League.
There would be a right few in Tyrone
Galbally Pearses
Fintona Pearses
Pomeroy Plunketts
Clonoe O'Rahillys
Ardboe O'Donavon Rossa
Derrylaughan Kevin Barrys
Brocagh Emmetts
Dungannon Thomas Clarkes
Kildress Wolfe Tones
Drumquin Wolfe Tones
Drumragh Sarsfields
And from a little bit earlier than 1798 or 1916
Brackaville Owen Roes
Owen Roe O'Neills
DOWN
RGU Downpatrick -Russell Gaelic Union. The Man From God Knows where - Thomas Russell
Glenn John Martins
Newry Mitchels
Have I missed any? Down lads??
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2016, 08:26:17 PM
DOWN
RGU Downpatrick -Russell Gaelic Union. The Man From God Knows where - Thomas Russell
Glenn John Martins
Newry Mitchels
Have I missed any? Down lads??
Kilcoo? Eoghan Rua ?
Jaysus, I forgot Sarsfields Derrytrasna.
Quote from: Samforever on October 05, 2016, 08:35:28 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2016, 08:26:17 PM
DOWN
RGU Downpatrick -Russell Gaelic Union. The Man From God Knows where - Thomas Russell
Glenn John Martins
Newry Mitchels
Have I missed any? Down lads??
Kilcoo? Eoghan Rua ?
Yep!
Kerry would have John Mitchells, Kerins O'Rahillys and Dromid Pearses. Tipperary has Kilruane McDonagh's and Sean Treacys. Newport's pitch is Lacken Park after Paddy Ryan Lacken who ran with Dan Breen for a bit. Limerick has a few like na Piarsaigh. Clare have Wolfe Tones. Off the top of my head.
Same exercise could be done with grounds named after rebels/patriots/revolutionaries/etc.
Pearse would have quite a few grounds named after him. Casement...two in Antrim
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2016, 08:10:33 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 05, 2016, 06:03:31 PM
Thomas Davis - Corringshego
Michael Davitt - Ballyhegan
Patrick Pearse - Pearse Óg
Had thought Davitt was more of a political figure with the Land League.
As would most people. However his involvement with the Fenians dated to 1865 when he joined the IRB. Two years later he was a full time organiser in the north of England. He was involved in the arms raid on Chester Castle in Feb 1867 and eventually arrested in 1870 as he was organising the delivery of arm. Sentenced to 15 years hard labour, he served 7 and a half. On his release he became a member of the Supreme Council of the IRB.
While the rest of his life was given to the agrarian revolution it was always felt that it was his standing in the eyes of the "physical force" brigade that allowed the Land League and Home Rule movements progress with the support of republicans at home and in the USA. He famously bailed out the GAA with a loan of £450 (modern value in excess of €250,000) which was never repaid despite his being declared bankrupt in 1903. He was well connected with the emerging labour movement in Britain, an ardent supporter of non-denominational school and an internationalist who wrote comprehensively on the mal-treatment of Boers, Maoris etc in the British Empire.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 05, 2016, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2016, 08:10:33 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 05, 2016, 06:03:31 PM
Thomas Davis - Corringshego
Michael Davitt - Ballyhegan
Patrick Pearse - Pearse Óg
Had thought Davitt was more of a political figure with the Land League.
As would most people. However his involvement with the Fenians dated to 1865 when he joined the IRB. Two years later he was a full time organiser in the north of England. He was involved in the arms raid on Chester Castle in Feb 1867 and eventually arrested in 1870 as he was organising the delivery of arm. Sentenced to 15 years hard labour, he served 7 and a half. On his release he became a member of the Supreme Council of the IRB.
While the rest of his life was given to the agrarian revolution it was always felt that it was his standing in the eyes of the "physical force" brigade that allowed the Land League and Home Rule movements progress with the support of republicans at home and in the USA. He famously bailed out the GAA with a loan of £450 (modern value in excess of €250,000) which was never repaid despite his being declared bankrupt in 1903. He was well connected with the emerging labour movement in Britain, an ardent supporter of non-denominational school and an internationalist who wrote comprehensively on the mal-treatment of Boers, Maoris etc in the British Empire.
But Davitt rejected violence while in prison.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 05, 2016, 09:22:08 PM
Kerry would have John Mitchells, Kerins O'Rahillys and Dromid Pearses. Tipperary has Kilruane McDonagh's and Sean Treacys. Newport's pitch is Lacken Park after Paddy Ryan Lacken who ran with Dan Breen for a bit. Limerick has a few like na Piarsaigh. Clare have Wolfe Tones. Off the top of my head.
JK Brackens in Templemore? Thurles Sarsfields from prior times also. MacDonagh has the pitches in both Cloughjordan and Nenagh named after him too.
None in Sligo, other than a flurry of Saints and Gaels no clubs here generally go for added names to the area name. Our own went by John Mitchels for a bit in the 70's but nothing besides.
Mayo:
Ballina Stephenites
Charlestown Sarsfields
I presume Castlebar Mitchells are named after John Mitchell?
If you count Davitt then Davitts and Moy Davitts
Henry Joy McCracken - Moneymore (and Belfast?)
Antrim, off the top of my head -
O Donovan Rossa
Sarsfiields
Davitts
Pearses
Mitchels - all Belfast
Robert Emmetts Cushendun
Roger Casements Portglenone
Shane O Neills Glenarm if Gaelic Chieftans count?
McQuillans Ballycastle, more Gaelic Chieftans
Can anyone tell me why so many down clubs aren't named after anyone at all?
Quote from: general_lee on October 05, 2016, 11:09:58 PM
Can anyone tell me why so many down clubs aren't named after anyone at all?
A lot of them are named after Saints....does that not count...Bosco, St Johns, Burren, Mayobridge, St Pauls, St Michaels, Glasdrumman, Darragh Cross, Drumgath, Drumaness, Cumann Peadar Naofa, Castlewellan, Ballymartin, Ballycran. Whats your point??
Quote from: macdanger2 on October 05, 2016, 10:43:27 PM
Mayo:
Ballina Stephenites
Charlestown Sarsfields
I presume Castlebar Mitchells are named after John Mitchell?
If you count Davitt then Davitts and Moy Davitts
Ardnaree Sarsfields too.
No republicans in Meath.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 11:38:07 PM
No republicans in Meath.
Unless they're buried in a bog ;)
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2016, 05:35:47 PM
I'm interested in collating how many clubs in Ireland are named after Republican figures, particularly those from the 1916 and 1798 rebellions. Feel free to add your own county.
Armagh folk may want to correct me, or add more...
PATRICK PEARSE
Annaghmore
SEAN McDERMOTT
Maghery
ROBERT EMMET
Clonmore
Dorsey
MICHAEL DWYER
Keady
WOLFE TONE
Derrymacash
O'DONOVAN ROSSA
Mullabrack
THE O'RAHILLY
Collegeland
SEAN SOUTH
Clady
Not strictly a figure as such, but would Madden Raparees count. Guerrilla fighters back in the day.
Warwickshire GAA has John Mitchel's, Sean McDermott's, James Connolly's and Roger Casement's, while London has Thomas MacCurtain's, Michael Cusack and Robert Emmet's.
Here in Australia we have two Michael Cusack's (Sydney and Perth), while Melbourne has Padraig Pearse and Dan Breen.
Quote from: keep her low this half on October 05, 2016, 11:00:12 PM
Antrim, off the top of my head -
O Donovan Rossa
Sarsfiields
Davitts
Pearses
Mitchels - all Belfast
Robert Emmetts Cushendun
Roger Casements Portglenone
Shane O Neills Glenarm if Gaelic Chieftans count?
McQuillans Ballycastle, more Gaelic Chieftans
Add to that,
Ardoyne Kickhams
and if you're going with cheftians and clans I suppose O'Donnells Belfast, Oisins Glenarrife, Loch Mor Dal Cais Crumlin and Cuchuillans Dunloy
Quote from: barelegs on October 05, 2016, 08:24:17 PM
There would be a right few in Tyrone
Galbally Pearses
Fintona Pearses
Pomeroy Plunketts
Clonoe O'Rahillys
Ardboe O'Donavon Rossa
Derrylaughan Kevin Barrys
Brocagh Emmetts
Dungannon Thomas Clarkes
Kildress Wolfe Tones
Drumquin Wolfe Tones
Drumragh Sarsfields
And from a little bit earlier than 1798 or 1916
Brackaville Owen Roes
Owen Roe O'Neills
Eskra Emmetts
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2016, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: Samforever on October 05, 2016, 08:35:28 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2016, 08:26:17 PM
DOWN
RGU Downpatrick -Russell Gaelic Union. The Man From God Knows where - Thomas Russell
Glenn John Martins
Newry Mitchels
Have I missed any? Down lads??
Kilcoo? Eoghan Rua ?
Yep!
Cad mar gheall ar an Riocht? Ca as a thagann a ainm ?
Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 10:33:08 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 05, 2016, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2016, 08:10:33 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 05, 2016, 06:03:31 PM
Thomas Davis - Corringshego
Michael Davitt - Ballyhegan
Patrick Pearse - Pearse Óg
Had thought Davitt was more of a political figure with the Land League.
As would most people. However his involvement with the Fenians dated to 1865 when he joined the IRB. Two years later he was a full time organiser in the north of England. He was involved in the arms raid on Chester Castle in Feb 1867 and eventually arrested in 1870 as he was organising the delivery of arm. Sentenced to 15 years hard labour, he served 7 and a half. On his release he became a member of the Supreme Council of the IRB.
While the rest of his life was given to the agrarian revolution it was always felt that it was his standing in the eyes of the "physical force" brigade that allowed the Land League and Home Rule movements progress with the support of republicans at home and in the USA. He famously bailed out the GAA with a loan of £450 (modern value in excess of €250,000) which was never repaid despite his being declared bankrupt in 1903. He was well connected with the emerging labour movement in Britain, an ardent supporter of non-denominational school and an internationalist who wrote comprehensively on the mal-treatment of Boers, Maoris etc in the British Empire.
But Davitt rejected violence while in prison.
We need someone like him today
Quote from: MoChara on October 06, 2016, 08:48:55 AM
Quote from: keep her low this half on October 05, 2016, 11:00:12 PM
Antrim, off the top of my head -
O Donovan Rossa
Sarsfiields
Davitts
Pearses
Mitchels - all Belfast
Robert Emmetts Cushendun
Roger Casements Portglenone
Shane O Neills Glenarm if Gaelic Chieftans count?
McQuillans Ballycastle, more Gaelic Chieftans
Add to that,
Ardoyne Kickhams
and if you're going with cheftians and clans I suppose O'Donnells Belfast, Oisins Glenarrife, Loch Mor Dal Cais Crumlin and Cuchuillans Dunloy
Kickhams Creggan
Quote from: Owenmoresider on October 05, 2016, 10:34:42 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 05, 2016, 09:22:08 PM
Kerry would have John Mitchells, Kerins O'Rahillys and Dromid Pearses. Tipperary has Kilruane McDonagh's and Sean Treacys. Newport's pitch is Lacken Park after Paddy Ryan Lacken who ran with Dan Breen for a bit. Limerick has a few like na Piarsaigh. Clare have Wolfe Tones. Off the top of my head.
JK Brackens in Templemore? Thurles Sarsfields from prior times also. MacDonagh has the pitches in both Cloughjordan and Nenagh named after him too.
None in Sligo, other than a flurry of Saints and Gaels no clubs here generally go for added names to the area name. Our own went by John Mitchels for a bit in the 70's but nothing besides.
Correct, JK Brackens. Also Kickhams in Knockavilla. And the field in Tipp Town is Sean Treacy Park as well.
I can't think of any in Offaly at all. Generally speaking we go just for the name of the town/area, or else a Saint. Saint Rynaghs, Saint Vincents, Ferbane, Clara, Tullamore, Birr, Rhode etc etc.
Quote from: PW Nally on October 05, 2016, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 05, 2016, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on October 05, 2016, 07:43:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 05, 2016, 07:07:05 PM
Ones I can think of in Galway
Sarsfields New Inn. Aughrim is in the parish I think
Pearses Gurteen
Liam Mellowes Galway
Tommie Larkins dunno
Mayo has Davitts. I think he was the greatest of all the revolutionaries.
Fantastic name for a club.
Aughrim is Kiltormer??
Kiltormer is south of the county. Aughrim is between Loughrea and Ballinasloe
10km apart according to Google map. Misinformed previously obviously.
Sarsfields used be referred to Bullaun - New Inn. Just curious what club Aughrim aligned to.
2 separate parishes
http://beaghrootsgalway.weebly.com/uploads/9/0/7/1/9071267/8141729.jpg?871
Quote from: seafoid on October 06, 2016, 09:00:53 AM
Cad mar gheall ar an Riocht? Ca as a thagann a ainm ?
Bfèidir go creideann siadsan but Stáit neamhspleàch iad??
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2016, 11:33:18 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 05, 2016, 11:09:58 PM
Can anyone tell me why so many down clubs aren't named after anyone at all?
A lot of them are named after Saints....does that not count...Bosco, St Johns, Burren, Mayobridge, St Pauls, St Michaels, Glasdrumman, Darragh Cross, Drumgath, Drumaness, Cumann Peadar Naofa, Castlewellan, Ballymartin, Ballycran. Whats your point??
Aghaderg, Ardglass, An Riocht, Attical, Aughlisnafin, Ballyvarley, Ballykinlar, Bright, Bredagh, Bryansford, Carryduff, Castlewellan, Clonduff, Dromara, Dundrum, Longstone, Loughinisland, Saval, Teconnaught, Tullylish.
I may be mistaken but none of those clubs are named after anything which I found unusual as every club in Armagh is named after something or other which would have been my point
Castlebar Mitchels, Charlestown Sarsfields, Ardnaree Sarsfields, Lacken Sarsfields, Davitts, Moy Davitts, Ballina Stephenites off the top of my head in Mayo.
Any Fenians clubs? Apart from the one in Kilkenny?
Wexford has 1798 names like Rapparees, Fr O Regans and Boolavogue (OK it is also the name of the parish)
http://www.wexfordgaa.ie/clubs/
Quote from: seafoid on October 06, 2016, 09:00:53 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2016, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: Samforever on October 05, 2016, 08:35:28 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2016, 08:26:17 PM
DOWN
RGU Downpatrick -Russell Gaelic Union. The Man From God Knows where - Thomas Russell
Glenn John Martins
Newry Mitchels
Have I missed any? Down lads??
Kilcoo? Eoghan Rua ?
Yep!
Cad mar gheall ar an Riocht? Ca as a thagann a ainm ?
Kingdom of Mourne..Ríocht an Mhúrna. Its an amalgamation of a couple of clubs in the district.
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2016, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: Samforever on October 05, 2016, 08:35:28 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2016, 08:26:17 PM
DOWN
RGU Downpatrick -Russell Gaelic Union. The Man From God Knows where - Thomas Russell
Glenn John Martins
Newry Mitchels
Have I missed any? Down lads??
Kilcoo? Eoghan Rua ?
Yep!
Our full title is Sheán Ui Mhisteall, Ballygalget, hardly ever used other than on our club crest and the pitch being named Mitchell park.
Quote from: hardstation on October 06, 2016, 11:10:01 AM
Quote from: MoChara on October 06, 2016, 08:48:55 AM
Quote from: keep her low this half on October 05, 2016, 11:00:12 PM
Antrim, off the top of my head -
O Donovan Rossa
Sarsfiields
Davitts
Pearses
Mitchels - all Belfast
Robert Emmetts Cushendun
Roger Casements Portglenone
Shane O Neills Glenarm if Gaelic Chieftans count?
McQuillans Ballycastle, more Gaelic Chieftans
Add to that,
Ardoyne Kickhams
and if you're going with cheftians and clans I suppose O'Donnells Belfast, Oisins Glenarrife, Loch Mor Dal Cais Crumlin and Cuchuillans Dunloy
That would be be myths, legends and you even have a Catholic Church cardinal in there.
So at least Mayo aren't the only county that has a member of the Catholic Church in a club name - Lahardane MacHales probably the only one naming a County ground after one.
Father Casey's in Abbeyfeale would be another I suppose.
Fr Rocks in Cookstown also.
John Mitchells Glenullin
John Mitchells Claudy
O'Donovan Rossa Magherafelt
Pearses Doire Trasna
Eoghan Rua Coleraine
Michael Davitts Swatragh
Robert Emmetts Slaughtneil
Sean Dolans
Padraig Pearse Kilrea
Wolfe Tones Bellaghy
Sarsfields Ballerin
Kevin Lynchs Dungiven
Henry Joy McCrackens Moneymore
O'Briens Foreglen
O'Connors Glack
Watty Grahams Glen Maghera
Think that's the majority of them in Derry.
Glenageary Trumps
Malahide Cheneys
Quote from: seafoid on October 05, 2016, 07:07:05 PM
Sarsfields New Inn.
Technicality: Sarsfield wasn't a republican, he was a Jacobite. I don't know if there was even such a thing as a republic in his day, the concept had been dormant since the fall of classical civilization.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 05, 2016, 09:22:08 PM
Kerry would have John Mitchells, Kerins O'Rahillys and Dromid Pearses. Tipperary has Kilruane McDonagh's and Sean Treacys. Newport's pitch is Lacken Park after Paddy Ryan Lacken who ran with Dan Breen for a bit. Limerick has a few like na Piarsaigh. Clare have Wolfe Tones. Off the top of my head.
Mullinahone CJ Kickhams , Tipp . Club in Kilruane before McDonaghs was called Lahorna De Wets , De Wet was a South African Boer leader who got stuck into the Brits :D !
Quote from: Horse Box on October 06, 2016, 05:01:52 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 05, 2016, 09:22:08 PM
Kerry would have John Mitchells, Kerins O'Rahillys and Dromid Pearses. Tipperary has Kilruane McDonagh's and Sean Treacys. Newport's pitch is Lacken Park after Paddy Ryan Lacken who ran with Dan Breen for a bit. Limerick has a few like na Piarsaigh. Clare have Wolfe Tones. Off the top of my head.
Mullinahone CJ Kickhams , Tipp . Club in Kilruane before McDonaghs was called Lahorna De Wets , De Wet was a South African Boer leader who got stuck into the Brits :D !
Athenry had a de Wets team as well but once the locals earned their stripes there was no need to remember him
In Cavan you have Lavey Joe Biggar and Denn is named after Daniel O Connell I think. He's on the crest. An intersting one is Mullahoran Dreadnoughts, a battle ship in the British navy.
Smith O'Brien's of Clare and of course Parnells in various counties would remember Nationalist leaders of a more political hue say. The Wicklow Hurling Final is between Carnew Emmetts and Bray Emmetts, which must be fairly unusual.
Good call on Mullinahone as well, I forgot they were called Kickhams.
Cashel King Cormacs would be named after a man from fadó fadó as well.
On a very loosely related topic, is Rangers the most common moniker for All Ireland Club Winners? Given that we have 3 different winners in Crossmaglen, Nemo and Laune? Does any other name have as many discrete winners?
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 06, 2016, 05:15:55 PM
On a very loosely related topic, is Rangers the most common moniker for All Ireland Club Winners? Given that we have 3 different winners in Crossmaglen, Nemo and Laune? Does any other name have as many discrete winners?
Good question.
'Saint'?
Saint is too general, but Saint Mary's or Saint Finbarrs would count if there were a few of them.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 06, 2016, 05:13:36 PM
Smith O'Brien's of Clare and of course Parnells in various counties would remember Nationalist leaders of a more political hue say. The Wicklow Hurling Final is between Carnew Emmetts and Bray Emmetts, which must be fairly unusual.
Good call on Mullinahone as well, I forgot they were called Kickhams.
Cashel King Cormacs would be named after a man from fadó fadó as well.
Aodh Rua in Donegal
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 06, 2016, 05:10:03 PM
In Cavan you have Lavey Joe Biggar and Denn is named after Daniel O Connell I think. He's on the crest. An intersting one is Mullahoran Dreadnoughts, a battle ship in the British navy.
Clogherhead Dreadnoughts also county Louth
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2016, 08:26:17 PM
DOWN
RGU Downpatrick -Russell Gaelic Union. The Man From God Knows where - Thomas Russell
Glenn John Martins
Newry Mitchels
Have I missed any? Down lads??
Not exactly Republican, but you could include Laitroim Fontenoys.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 11:38:07 PM
No republicans in Meath.
Hence the name Royal county...
What about O'Mahonys?
Eire Og Craigavon Co Armagh. (Young Irelanders)
Quote from: rionach 4 on October 09, 2016, 07:57:24 PM
Eire Og Craigavon Co Armagh. (Young Irelanders)
Ballela in Down are also Eire Og
Starlights in Enniscorthy ? Whats the craic with that name ?
Not forgetting Sean Treacys hurling club in Lurgan.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on October 10, 2016, 02:35:34 PM
Not forgetting Sean Tracey's hurling club in Lurgan.
Who is that named after? ;)
Quote from: seafoid on October 05, 2016, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on October 05, 2016, 07:43:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 05, 2016, 07:07:05 PM
Ones I can think of in Galway
Sarsfields New Inn. Aughrim is in the parish I think
Pearses Gurteen
Liam Mellowes Galway
Tommie Larkins dunno
Mayo has Davitts. I think he was the greatest of all the revolutionaries.
Fantastic name for a club.
Aughrim is Kiltormer??
Kiltormer is south of the county. Aughrim is between Loughrea and Ballinasloe
Aughrim falls in with Cappataggle
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 10, 2016, 02:47:22 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on October 10, 2016, 02:35:34 PM
Not forgetting Sean Tracey's hurling club in Lurgan.
Who is that named after? ;)
Pedant! I really should turn off autocorrect.
There is also Feargal O'Hanlons in Monaghan.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 05, 2016, 08:01:34 PM
Ros - Padraig Pearses, Michael Gladys
Longford - Wolfe Tones, Sean Connelly's, Emmet Óg Killoe
How 'bout Tulsk Lord Edwards?
Spotted it for the first time yesterday.
I object to many of the club names being branded as Republican.
For example, Redmond O'Hanlon (Poyntzpass) lived in the 17th century whose ancestors built Tandragee (Tayto) Castle and were displaced by O'Neill and then the english. Why would that make him a republican?
John Martin (Glen Co Down) and John Mitchell (Newry) were patriots, not republican.
Will just leave this here
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Will just leave this here
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Fantastic!
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I object to many of the club names being branded as Republican.
For example, Redmond O'Hanlon (Poyntzpass) lived in the 17th century whose ancestors built Tandragee (Tayto) Castle and were displaced by O'Neill and then the english. Why would that make him a republican?
John Martin (Glen Co Down) and John Mitchell (Newry) were patriots, not republican.
that would rile out all the parnells and davits , Collins etc
There is a school in Louth called Bush that has a few GAA teams
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2016, 08:26:17 PM
DOWN
RGU Downpatrick -Russell Gaelic Union. The Man From God Knows where - Thomas Russell
Glenn John Martins
Newry Mitchels
Have I missed any? Down lads??
Killyleagh Wolfe Tones
Ballybay Pearse Brothers,
a love supreme.
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Ballybay Pearse Brothers,
a love supreme.
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What a Crest! Who ever designed it deserves huge credit. Nice to remember Willie Pearse as well.
In Chicago we have clubs called "Padraig Pearse"- "Parnells"- "Wolfetones "-"Michael Cusack's "-"Harry Bolands"-"McBrides".
Sean Dolan's, Doire. Founded 1942.
Sean Dolan was a prominent republican,Gael and musician who resided in Derry city. He died in October 1941 at the age of 28 due to the " treatment" he received whilst interned by British crown forces earlier that year.
Michael Glaveys
Padraig Pearses
Éire Óg.
But we prefer Saints to S(h)inners with 9 Clubs with saints names.
In Ireland there are:
252 clubs named after saints
32 after figures in the rising
18 after robert emmet
51 named Gael
Read that a while back, made a note of it. How accurate it is im not sure
Kevin lynch hurling club dungiven
The O'Rahilly must have struck a chord with the general public post 1916.
Louth - O'Raghallaighs
Monaghan (already mentioned Ballybay Pearse Brothers and Feargal O'Hanlons)
Latton O'Rahilly, Aghabog Emmets, Carrick Emmets (hurling) Sean McDermotts (Threemilehouse)
We are equally hardcore in Cavan...
Belturbet Rory o Moore - He was only one of the lads that started the brutal 1641 rebellion
Killeshandra Leaguers - Generally named after the land league effort
Mullarhoran Dreadnoughts - Dreadnouht was some form of battleship. I think the Mullahs were going to invade the north but the Erne wasnt deep enough. So they just fought with anyone else they met
Ramor United - cos they want a united Ireland
Laragh United - as above
Kill - They will Kill anyone who stops a united Ireland
Kingscourt Stars - f**k knows what that's about
Would the ratio of heroes to
Saints in the naming of clubs be higher in Ulster?
Quote from: seafoid on October 28, 2018, 09:24:51 PM
Would the ratio of heroes to
Saints in the naming of clubs be higher in Ulster?
No catholic saints in club names in Monaghan, only rebel saints.
There should be a few clubs named after real republicans, like the Portlaoise Paines or the Rooskey Robespierres or perhaps the Crosshaven Ciceros.
Any club named after a woman.... other than a saint?
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 30, 2018, 01:54:39 AM
Any club named after a woman.... other than a saint?
I can't think of any. Strange, considering there's even one named after a British prime minister.
Quote from: Hardy on October 30, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 30, 2018, 01:54:39 AM
Any club named after a woman.... other than a saint?
I can't think of any. Strange, considering there's even one named after a British prime minister.
Who's the British pm
Quote from: Itchy on October 28, 2018, 08:18:37 PM
We are equally hardcore in Cavan...
Belturbet Rory o Moore - He was only one of the lads that started the brutal 1641 rebellion
Killeshandra Leaguers - Generally named after the land league effort
Mullarhoran Dreadnoughts - Dreadnouht was some form of battleship. I think the Mullahs were going to invade the north but the Erne wasnt deep enough. So they just fought with anyone else they met
Ramor United - cos they want a united Ireland
Laragh United - as above
Kill - They will Kill anyone who stops a united Ireland
Kingscourt Stars - f**k knows what that's about
Drumlane Sons of O'Connell - honouring the Liberator's vast horde of illegitimate children.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 30, 2018, 09:20:53 AM
Quote from: Hardy on October 30, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 30, 2018, 01:54:39 AM
Any club named after a woman.... other than a saint?
I can't think of any. Strange, considering there's even one named after a British prime minister.
Who's the British pm
Call it a quiz.
Culloville Blues - big music fans in south Armagh
Quote from: BennyCake on October 30, 2018, 09:20:53 AM
Quote from: Hardy on October 30, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 30, 2018, 01:54:39 AM
Any club named after a woman.... other than a saint?
I can't think of any. Strange, considering there's even one named after a British prime minister.
Who's the British pm
Churchill?
Going by hardys previous attempts at humour, I'll take a guess at st margarets.
What about the Heath ?
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Quote from: Hardy on October 30, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 30, 2018, 01:54:39 AM
Any club named after a woman.... other than a saint?
I can't think of any. Strange, considering there's even one named after a British prime minister.
Who's the British pm
Churchill?
Correct
Where's that
I had thought churchhill in Donegal but the club is Glenswilly
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Kerry
Churchill Pearse Bros. to give full name.
Located near Fenit, just outside Tralee.
Quote from: Hardy on October 30, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 30, 2018, 01:54:39 AM
Any club named after a woman.... other than a saint?
I can't think of any. Strange, considering there's even one named after a British prime minister.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Castleblayney Faughs were once called Gladstonians!
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on October 31, 2018, 03:38:52 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 30, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 30, 2018, 01:54:39 AM
Any club named after a woman.... other than a saint?
I can't think of any. Strange, considering there's even one named after a British prime minister.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Castleblayney Faughs were once called Gladstonians!
Used that little known online tool called google and it states that there was a team called Gladstonians in Blayney but that they were actually a different club as such and folded in the late 19th century and the Faughs were founded in 1905
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 31, 2018, 05:38:13 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on October 31, 2018, 03:38:52 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 30, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 30, 2018, 01:54:39 AM
Any club named after a woman.... other than a saint?
I can't think of any. Strange, considering there's even one named after a British prime minister.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Castleblayney Faughs were once called Gladstonians!
Used that little known online tool called google and it states that there was a team called Gladstonians in Blayney but that they were actually a different club as such and folded in the late 19th century and the Faughs were founded in 1905
I was close enough, I think I read that on Blayney's website a long time ago and used it in a quiz. My father-in-law told once that in the early years of the GAA Cross refused to travel to play Keady because it was full of Fenians!
Interesting thread.
Were any of these figures involved in Gaelic games?
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on October 31, 2018, 08:38:39 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 31, 2018, 05:38:13 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on October 31, 2018, 03:38:52 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 30, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 30, 2018, 01:54:39 AM
Any club named after a woman.... other than a saint?
I can't think of any. Strange, considering there's even one named after a British prime minister.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Castleblayney Faughs were once called Gladstonians!
Used that little known online tool called google and it states that there was a team called Gladstonians in Blayney but that they were actually a different club as such and folded in the late 19th century and the Faughs were founded in 1905
I was close enough, I think I read that on Blayney's website a long time ago and used it in a quiz. My father-in-law told once that in the early years of the GAA Cross refused to travel to play Keady because it was full of Fenians!
I'd have refused to play in Keady as it's full of pure hallions 🤣
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 31, 2018, 10:07:17 PM
Interesting thread.
Were any of these figures involved in Gaelic games?
Kevin Lynch definitely was. I'm sure you could google the rest. Obviously any of the clubs named after participants in the 1798 rebellion would not have been involved in the GAA
What also would be interesting is to determine how many clubs are actually named after republicans from a Protestant background....Wolfe Tone, Robert Emmett, Henry Joy McCracken, William Orr....there's plenty more I'm sure.
Ok, it was a leading question. Other than Lynch, which is another days work, none were. Open to be disproven
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:22:49 AM
Ok, it was a leading question. Other than Lynch, which is another days work, none were. Open to be disproven
Probably not but you have to consider the time that many of the clubs were created. Many of them were founded during a period of history where their language, games and customs were openly prohibited. Naming a club after a local rebel would have been a way to recognise the fight at a time where here was no other way. Would you for instance be critical of James Stephens for naming their club after a local Fenian way back in the 1880's? Of course not. Historically, whether we accept it or not, GAA clubs have been closely associated with the history of the revolutions within our country. The organisation may have moved forward but history cannot be changed.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 01, 2018, 10:38:22 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:22:49 AM
Ok, it was a leading question. Other than Lynch, which is another days work, none were. Open to be disproven
Probably not but you have to consider the time that many of the clubs were created. Many of them were founded during a period of history where their language, games and customs were openly prohibited. Naming a club after a local rebel would have been a way to recognise the fight at a time where here was no other way. Would you for instance be critical of James Stephens for naming their club after a local Fenian way back in the 1880's? Of course not. Historically, whether we accept it or not, GAA clubs have been closely associated with the history of the revolutions within our country. The organisation may have moved forward but history cannot be changed.
I understand all that. Soccer was equally involved in the revolutionary period, certainly moreso in the rising, and they didnt go down that route.
The principle is not the issue. But it could be classed as presumptive. Would lobg dead figure x want to be assosciated with a club in an area and sport that had nothing to do eith them? What had Rodger Casement got to do with Belfast, Gaelic Games (in fact sport in general)and dodgy planning applications?
Its food for thought.
Only if you're slow.
Why was the GAA set up?
Quote from: haranguerer on November 01, 2018, 10:49:15 AM
Only if you're slow.
Why was the GAA set up?
The same reasons dozens of organisations were set up. Cultural nationalism. Did any others chose catholic saints and specific historical figures to name their units?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:45:16 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 01, 2018, 10:38:22 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:22:49 AM
Ok, it was a leading question. Other than Lynch, which is another days work, none were. Open to be disproven
Probably not but you have to consider the time that many of the clubs were created. Many of them were founded during a period of history where their language, games and customs were openly prohibited. Naming a club after a local rebel would have been a way to recognise the fight at a time where here was no other way. Would you for instance be critical of James Stephens for naming their club after a local Fenian way back in the 1880's? Of course not. Historically, whether we accept it or not, GAA clubs have been closely associated with the history of the revolutions within our country. The organisation may have moved forward but history cannot be changed.
I understand all that. Soccer was equally involved in the revolutionary period, certainly moreso in the rising, and they didnt go down that route.
The principle is not the issue. But it could be classed as presumptive. Would lobg dead figure x want to be assosciated with a club in an area and sport that had nothing to do eith them? What had Rodger Casement got to do with Belfast, Gaelic Games (in fact sport in general)and dodgy planning applications?
Its food for thought.
The same argument could be made in respect of the myriad of clubs name after Saints and members of the Catholic religion. Given the secularisation of society and the scandals that have surrounded the church should all clubs named after a Saint be asked to question the name of their club, and that includes many soccer clubs also. The reality is that clubs were named to reflect the societies at the time. Society has changed and always will. There's no welders left in Harland and Wolff these days but the team still plays under that name....should they be called something like Tillysburn United as there's no welders left? Maybe Arsenal should change their name seeing as they're named so because it originated from an armaments factory in Woolwich where no doubt there were bombs and bullets manufactures that maimed and killed millions?
Food for thought .....
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 01, 2018, 11:06:14 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:45:16 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 01, 2018, 10:38:22 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:22:49 AM
Ok, it was a leading question. Other than Lynch, which is another days work, none were. Open to be disproven
Probably not but you have to consider the time that many of the clubs were created. Many of them were founded during a period of history where their language, games and customs were openly prohibited. Naming a club after a local rebel would have been a way to recognise the fight at a time where here was no other way. Would you for instance be critical of James Stephens for naming their club after a local Fenian way back in the 1880's? Of course not. Historically, whether we accept it or not, GAA clubs have been closely associated with the history of the revolutions within our country. The organisation may have moved forward but history cannot be changed.
I understand all that. Soccer was equally involved in the revolutionary period, certainly moreso in the rising, and they didnt go down that route.
The principle is not the issue. But it could be classed as presumptive. Would lobg dead figure x want to be assosciated with a club in an area and sport that had nothing to do eith them? What had Rodger Casement got to do with Belfast, Gaelic Games (in fact sport in general)and dodgy planning applications?
Its food for thought.
The same argument could be made in respect of the myriad of clubs name after Saints and members of the Catholic religion. Given the secularisation of society and the scandals that have surrounded the church should all clubs named after a Saint be asked to question the name of their club, and that includes many soccer clubs also. The reality is that clubs were named to reflect the societies at the time. Society has changed and always will. There's no welders left in Harland and Wolff these days but the team still plays under that name....should they be called something like Tillysburn United as there's no welders left? Maybe Arsenal should change their name seeing as they're named so because it originated from an armaments factory in Woolwich where no doubt there were bombs and bullets manufactures that maimed and killed millions?
Food for thought .....
Agreed. But as I couldnt care less about IFA and English soccer, Im not joining a site to debate it with them.
But my point is at least the names of the two examples you gave were the history of the clubs. I think its fair to say that the naming convention in the GAA of catholic and republican figures was an excercise in branding, and it has arkward elements to where the GAA is trying to position itself now, especially in the 6. If there was even a local link to most of the names, but there isnt.
I'm not quoting your post as it becomes to unwieldy! The thing is the naming process was reflective of the day. What local connection do St Patrick have to where St Pats are based in Dublin? Very few GAA clubs have any connection to any of the Saints they are named after. It is what it is and maybe instead of being offended by names etc people should look at the bigger picture and realise that the world today is significantly different than it was 100 odd years ago when many of these clubs were established
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 01, 2018, 11:40:36 AM
I'm not quoting your post as it becomes to unwieldy! The thing is the naming process was reflective of the day. What local connection do St Patrick have to where St Pats are based in Dublin? Very few GAA clubs have any connection to any of the Saints they are named after. It is what it is and maybe instead of being offended by names etc people should look at the bigger picture and realise that the world today is significantly different than it was 100 odd years ago when many of these clubs were established
St Patricks hospital down the road from them I would wager.
But what was it reflecting? And why did no other organisation do this?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 01, 2018, 11:40:36 AM
I'm not quoting your post as it becomes to unwieldy! The thing is the naming process was reflective of the day. What local connection do St Patrick have to where St Pats are based in Dublin? Very few GAA clubs have any connection to any of the Saints they are named after. It is what it is and maybe instead of being offended by names etc people should look at the bigger picture and realise that the world today is significantly different than it was 100 odd years ago when many of these clubs were established
St Patricks hospital down the road from them I would wager.
But what was it reflecting? And why did no other organisation do this?
At the time that the GAA was established and, consequently, many of these clubs the Gaelic games were a clear expression of the Irish identity. Soccer wasn't, rugby wasn't, hence why these types of clubs were never going to be called after Wolfe Tone et al. Our organisation is intrinsically linked with the political and cultural struggle and that's a fact. What's the big deal in this?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 01, 2018, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 01, 2018, 11:40:36 AM
I'm not quoting your post as it becomes to unwieldy! The thing is the naming process was reflective of the day. What local connection do St Patrick have to where St Pats are based in Dublin? Very few GAA clubs have any connection to any of the Saints they are named after. It is what it is and maybe instead of being offended by names etc people should look at the bigger picture and realise that the world today is significantly different than it was 100 odd years ago when many of these clubs were established
St Patricks hospital down the road from them I would wager.
But what was it reflecting? And why did no other organisation do this?
At the time that the GAA was established and, consequently, many of these clubs the Gaelic games were a clear expression of the Irish identity. Soccer wasn't, rugby wasn't, hence why these types of clubs were never going to be called after Wolfe Tone et al. Our organisation is intrinsically linked with the political and cultural struggle and that's a fact. What's the big deal in this?
Who says its a big deal?
Soccer absolutely was, moreso in 1916 as it was a Dublin party. They had a huge growth in clubs at the time as well.
But yiu answered my question. Linking the GAA to revolutionary actuvity they had limited or no involvement in to make the sports appear more puritanically catholic and Irish, regardless of reality on the ground.
This seems fairly inaccurate from what I have read. The GAA were intrinsically linked to revolutionary activity from it's set up to the Easter rising and beyond. It may have over stated it's official role over time but there were many IRA men playing county GAA and a number of Collins squad (in Dublin) were GAA men.
Quote from: Zulu on November 01, 2018, 12:08:52 PM
This seems fairly inaccurate from what I have read. The GAA were intrinsically linked to revolutionary activity from it's set up to the Easter rising and beyond. It may have over stated it's official role over time but there were many IRA men playing county GAA and a number of Collins squad (in Dublin) were GAA men.
The organisation? Was 1918 and the protest games not the first stance?
Nobody is saying members weren't involved, but somone claimed soccer players werent, thats ahistorical nonsense.
I think the wave of name changes was an attempt at catchup
I see "Soccer good Gah bad" man is in full flow today ;D
Most Divisional or County Board Meetings 1916-21 usually doubled up as Volunteer Brigade meetings (held after the GAA business was concluded).
There were even clubs called after Boer generals around the turn of the Century e.g De Wets in Roscommon (or was it Elphin?)
Oscar Traynor is one of the few who were associated with socceryball.
Any sources for that?
Who is the GAA equivalent of Traynor though?
There is a soccer club in Argentina called velez sarsfield
Quote from: Rossfan on November 01, 2018, 12:22:54 PM
I see "Soccer good Gah bad" man is in full flow today ;D
Most Divisional or County Board Meetings 1916-21 usually doubled up as Volunteer Brigade meetings (held after the GAA business was concluded).
There were even clubs called after Boer generals around the turn of the Century e.g De Wets in Roscommon (or was it Elphin?)
Oscar Traynor is one of the few who were associated with socceryball.
Athenry de Wets were very successful amongst the Herrins back in the day
Wasn't there Tuam Krugers too?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 31, 2018, 10:07:17 PM
Interesting thread.
Were any of these figures involved in Gaelic games?
Yeh - Longford Slashers were names after Myles O Reilly, a revolutionary from 1640's. I believe he played centre half back on the Finea GAA county champions of 1640 and won an all star.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 12:51:51 PM
Any sources for that?
Who is the GAA equivalent of Traynor though?
There is no direct GAA equivalent of Oscar Traynor, the commander of the IRA in Dublin. He was a hard core republican who loved soccer, just as Kevin Barry played rugby and cricket.
Oscar who became president of the FAI claimed "the game a man played did not influence his convictions one iota".
"some of the highest executive officers of the Republican movement, from 1916 onwards, played the despised foreign games and I never heard any of them apologizing for doing so."
Dev attended Irish internationals at Dalymount alongside Oscar.
What's your point though? For the most part republicans were involved with GAA. The GAA and the early 20C militant republican movement against british rule was an assimilated concept.
Quote from: Main Street on November 01, 2018, 11:26:13 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 12:51:51 PM
Any sources for that?
Who is the GAA equivalent of Traynor though?
There is no direct GAA equivalent of Oscar Traynor, the commander of the IRA in Dublin. He was a hard core republican who loved soccer, just as Kevin Barry played rugby and cricket.
Oscar who became president of the FAI claimed "the game a man played did not influence his convictions one iota".
"some of the highest executive officers of the Republican movement, from 1916 onwards, played the despised foreign games and I never heard any of them apologizing for doing so."
Dev attended Irish internationals at Dalymount alongside Oscar.
What's your point though? For the most part republicans were involved with GAA. The GAA and the early 20C militant republican movement against british rule was an assimilated concept.
My point is that it was a popular uprising. To say the GAA or GAA members were more or less involved than other sports is bad history.
Do you not think it odd that not one prominent figure from that period was involved in any meaningful way with Gaelic Games? Especially as you claim they were twinned organisation's
Quote from: Itchy on November 01, 2018, 07:07:12 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 31, 2018, 10:07:17 PM
Interesting thread.
Were any of these figures involved in Gaelic games?
Yeh - Longford Slashers were names after Myles O Reilly, a revolutionary from 1640's. I believe he played centre half back on the Finea GAA county champions of 1640 and won an all star.
Maolmordha o Raghallaigh was his actual name
Myles was an Anglicisation that had no link to his actual name
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board
Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.
In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
Quote from: Sean3 on November 02, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board
Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.
In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
Game, Set, Match.
And not to our shit-stirring friend from North Dublin
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 01, 2018, 10:38:22 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 10:22:49 AM
Ok, it was a leading question. Other than Lynch, which is another days work, none were. Open to be disproven
Probably not but you have to consider the time that many of the clubs were created. Many of them were founded during a period of history where their language, games and customs were openly prohibited. Naming a club after a local rebel would have been a way to recognise the fight at a time where here was no other way. Would you for instance be critical of James Stephens for naming their club after a local Fenian way back in the 1880's? Of course not. Historically, whether we accept it or not, GAA clubs have been closely associated with the history of the revolutions within our country. The organisation may have moved forward but history cannot be changed.
I understand all that. Soccer was equally involved in the revolutionary period, certainly moreso in the rising, and they didnt go down that route.
The principle is not the issue. But it could be classed as presumptive. Would lobg dead figure x want to be assosciated with a club in an area and sport that had nothing to do eith them? What had Rodger Casement got to do with Belfast, Gaelic Games (in fact sport in general)and dodgy planning applications?
Its food for thought.
Food for thought if your mind requires little feeding. Which in this case it seems to.
Reinventing history to try and fit a "Soccer good Gah bad" agenda isn't the brightest of ideas ::)
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 01, 2018, 11:40:36 AM
I'm not quoting your post as it becomes to unwieldy! The thing is the naming process was reflective of the day. What local connection do St Patrick have to where St Pats are based in Dublin? Very few GAA clubs have any connection to any of the Saints they are named after. It is what it is and maybe instead of being offended by names etc people should look at the bigger picture and realise that the world today is significantly different than it was 100 odd years ago when many of these clubs were established
St Patricks hospital down the road from them I would wager.
But what was it reflecting? And why did no other organisation do this?
OK then, what connection did he have to the hospital? There are plenty of angles from which to aim a genuine kick at the GAA. But, if you'll pardon the pun, this one seems particularly obtuse.
Quote from: Franko on November 02, 2018, 05:29:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 01, 2018, 11:40:36 AM
I'm not quoting your post as it becomes to unwieldy! The thing is the naming process was reflective of the day. What local connection do St Patrick have to where St Pats are based in Dublin? Very few GAA clubs have any connection to any of the Saints they are named after. It is what it is and maybe instead of being offended by names etc people should look at the bigger picture and realise that the world today is significantly different than it was 100 odd years ago when many of these clubs were established
St Patricks hospital down the road from them I would wager.
But what was it reflecting? And why did no other organisation do this?
OK then, what connection did he have to the hospital? There are plenty of angles from which to aim a genuine kick at the GAA. But, if you'll pardon the pun, this one seems particularly obtuse.
Who is kicking?
Quote from: Sean3 on November 02, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board
Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.
In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
. The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.
But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
(https://www.historyireland.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/EamondeValeraDouglasHydeOscarTraynorWatchingIrelandVPoland_large-1024x555.jpg)
Oscar Traynor (right), with Taoiseach Éamon de Valera and President Douglas Hyde, watching the Irish Free State soccer team
beat Poland 3–2 at Dalymount Park in November 1938. Applying Rule 27, the ban on 'foreign games', the GAA in the following month
controversially removed Hyde as a patron of the organisation.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2018, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Sean3 on November 02, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board
Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.
In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.
But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.
Quote from: Main Street on November 04, 2018, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2018, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Sean3 on November 02, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board
Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.
In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.
But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.
20%?
Jesus wept.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 04, 2018, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 04, 2018, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2018, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Sean3 on November 02, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board
Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.
In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.
But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.
20%?
Jesus wept.
So, you don't have anything of substance to back up your suppositions and fancies, just a sneer.
Quote from: Main Street on November 05, 2018, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 04, 2018, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 04, 2018, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2018, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Sean3 on November 02, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board
Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.
In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.
But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.
20%?
Jesus wept.
So, you don't have anything of substance to back up your suppositions and fancies, just a sneer.
obligation is on you to back up that stat
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 05, 2018, 02:43:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 05, 2018, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 04, 2018, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 04, 2018, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2018, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Sean3 on November 02, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board
Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.
In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.
But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.
20%?
Jesus wept.
So, you don't have anything of substance to back up your suppositions and fancies, just a sneer.
obligation is on you to back up that stat
Which stat?
What obligation?
I have already given the source of information, Tim pat Coogan's book, which is richly and impeccably sourced..
If you have other sources to counter any information I have given, then please give them, don't hesitate, just provide exact sourced information, inane ramblings are not fit for this purpose.
So far, you have given bullshit, with no sources.
Quote from: Main Street on November 05, 2018, 10:15:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 05, 2018, 02:43:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 05, 2018, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 04, 2018, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 04, 2018, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2018, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Sean3 on November 02, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board
Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.
In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.
Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.
But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.
20%?
Jesus wept.
So, you don't have anything of substance to back up your suppositions and fancies, just a sneer.
obligation is on you to back up that stat
Which stat?
What obligation?
I have already given the source of information, Tim pat Coogan's book, which is richly and impeccably sourced..
If you have other sources to counter any information I have given, then please give them, don't hesitate, just provide exact sourced information, inane ramblings are not fit for this purpose.
So far, you have given bullshit, with no sources.
Which book ffs.
20% my arse. And you know it.
https://www.irishnews.com/arts/2018/10/25/news/historian-tim-pat-coogan-on-his-book-the-gaa-and-the-war-of-independence-1465710/
If you've got a better source, please present it.
Failing that, we'll all have to conclude that, yet again, you've been caught out talking tosh.
He wasn't a Republican but Ruairí Óg Gaelic Athletic Club in Cushendall is named after him. Ruairí Óg Ó Mórdha from Laois led the Catholic side in the Irish Rebellion of 1641.
Great call there by Cushendall