The DUP thread

[imtommygunn]

Thing here is I would say that most people wouldn't have known this at all (I certainly wouldn't) and now this clampit has shone a light on it 

[TyroneOnlooker]

is having lists of who has and who has not voted a very dangerous thing


what happens if it comes to a united ireland vote and someone does not vote could sinn fein order masked men to beat them up. or the dup order loyalists to beast someone up whos not voted in the shankill

There's no lists of who has or hasn't voted. The Electoral Register is a public document that can be viewed at the ER headquarters and lists who is registered to vote at each address. So you can easily check someone's address to see if they are registered. Not registered then clearly didn't vote.

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is having lists of who has and who has not voted a very dangerous thing


what happens if it comes to a united ireland vote and someone does not vote could sinn fein order masked men to beat them up. or the dup order loyalists to beast someone up whos not voted in the shankill

There's no lists of who has or hasn't voted. The Electoral Register is a public document that can be viewed at the ER headquarters and lists who is registered to vote at each address. So you can easily check someone's address to see if they are registered. Not registered then clearly didn't vote.

Not strictly true. Parties who have the army of help... they can keep a record as they have people in every polling station. Like what did people think all those randomers are doing sitting at different tables in the polling stations?

[north_antrim_hound]

Pity Jeffery didn't

is having lists of who has and who has not voted a very dangerous thing


what happens if it comes to a united ireland vote and someone does not vote could sinn fein order masked men to beat them up. or the dup order loyalists to beast someone up whos not voted in the shankill

Yeah that'll happen.

Pity Jeffery didn't acknowledge when looking at voting electoral info that 79% of people that did vote didn't vote for the DUP.

[Keyser soze]

I am pretty sure you cannot sit in the polling station regardless of what political party you come from.

Observers can sit in on the count at the count centre though to verify numbers of votes though the voting process is confidential and a vote can not be linked to an individual.

[Saffrongael]

I am pretty sure you cannot sit in the polling station regardless of what political party you come from.

Observers can sit in on the count at the count centre though to verify numbers of votes though the voting process is confidential and a vote can not be linked to an individual.

It's been happening for years - parties know who has & hasn't voted. None of this stuff is new

[Eire90]

wasnt there not reports of shinners or duppers  outside polling stations last year intimidating people

[RedHand88]

I am pretty sure you cannot sit in the polling station regardless of what political party you come from.

Observers can sit in on the count at the count centre though to verify numbers of votes though the voting process is confidential and a vote can not be linked to an individual.

You can surely. SF have always done this at my local one. I'm sure the DUP do the same in Unionist areas. They will be sitting at a table by themselves and when the clerk calls out your name and address, the party official will score you off on their copy of the register. They take this back to party HQ where it is input into a database so that when they are canvassing next time round, they will know if you are a likely voter/nonvoter before you've even answered the door (though they won't know who you voted for unless you've told them when they canvassed last time round)

For the real staunch areas it's useful on polling day as around 6pm the database is able to produce a list of people who
1) Indicted in canvassing they would vote for your candidate
AND
2) Have not voted that day yet.
From this they can go door to door on the evening of polling day offering lifts, encouraging them to go to vote etc.

Nothing explicitly illegal any of this EXCEPT the fact they are technically storing data on you which you have not consented to. This caused a ruckus a while back with SF. Other parties kept remarkably quiet because they know they all do the exact same thing.

[LeoMc]

All those lists at each polling station are collated and the marked list (who has and has not voted) is available to anyone for a small fee.

[Keyser soze]

I am pretty sure you cannot sit in the polling station regardless of what political party you come from.

Observers can sit in on the count at the count centre though to verify numbers of votes though the voting process is confidential and a vote can not be linked to an individual.

You can surely. SF have always done this at my local one. I'm sure the DUP do the same in Unionist areas. They will be sitting at a table by themselves and when the clerk calls out your name and address, the party official will score you off on their copy of the register. They take this back to party HQ where it is input into a database so that when they are canvassing next time round, they will know if you are a likely voter/nonvoter before you've even answered the door (though they won't know who you voted for unless you've told them when they canvassed last time round)

For the real staunch areas it's useful on polling day as around 6pm the database is able to produce a list of people who
1) Indicted in canvassing they would vote for your candidate
AND
2) Have not voted that day yet.
From this they can go door to door on the evening of polling day offering lifts, encouraging them to go to vote etc.

Nothing explicitly illegal any of this EXCEPT the fact they are technically storing data on you which you have not consented to. This caused a ruckus a while back with SF. Other parties kept remarkably quiet because they know they all do the exact same thing.

Never seen anyone other than the Electoral office officials in a poll centre,  am sure that this is  against the regs.

Found this:


1 http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/179741/Code-of-conduct-for␂campaigners-2015.pdf
2 Tellers are an established part of the democratic process although they have no standing in law.
Tellers are usually volunteers for candidates, parties or campaigns who are positioned outside a
polling station to ask voters for their elector number to see whether their supporters have turned out..
This activity is not illegal and may help to increase turnout by allowing campaigners to contact
electors who have not voted. However, tellers may be seen as impeding, obstructing or intimidating
electors on their way into the polling station/place. Any decision regarding the location or behaviour of
tellers is a matter for the Presiding Officer and RO, and tellers must comply with their instructions.
3 See Erlam & Ors v Rahman & Anor [2015] EWHC 1215 (QB) paragraphs 163 – 169 and 575 – 624.

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All those lists at each polling station are collated and the marked list (who has and has not voted) is available to anyone for a small fee.

All the parties and candidates who run I think can get a copy. In short all parties know if you voted or not.

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I am pretty sure you cannot sit in the polling station regardless of what political party you come from.

Observers can sit in on the count at the count centre though to verify numbers of votes though the voting process is confidential and a vote can not be linked to an individual.

You can surely. SF have always done this at my local one. I'm sure the DUP do the same in Unionist areas. They will be sitting at a table by themselves and when the clerk calls out your name and address, the party official will score you off on their copy of the register. They take this back to party HQ where it is input into a database so that when they are canvassing next time round, they will know if you are a likely voter/nonvoter before you've even answered the door (though they won't know who you voted for unless you've told them when they canvassed last time round)

For the real staunch areas it's useful on polling day as around 6pm the database is able to produce a list of people who
1) Indicted in canvassing they would vote for your candidate
AND
2) Have not voted that day yet.
From this they can go door to door on the evening of polling day offering lifts, encouraging them to go to vote etc.

Nothing explicitly illegal any of this EXCEPT the fact they are technically storing data on you which you have not consented to. This caused a ruckus a while back with SF. Other parties kept remarkably quiet because they know they all do the exact same thing.

Never seen anyone other than the Electoral office officials in a poll centre,  am sure that this is  against the regs.

No it isn't. But it should be.

[tbrick18]

wasnt there not reports of shinners or duppers  outside polling stations last year intimidating people

A few years back in Dungannon. Polling station was a PS on the edge of Moygashel and the knuckle draggers where at the gates of the school waving flags and just gathering in numbers.
The venue was objected to going forward and the electoral commission moved it to the leisure centre instead, which is more central in the town, but cause uproar from the unionists in the area.

[SaffronSports]

I am pretty sure you cannot sit in the polling station regardless of what political party you come from.

Observers can sit in on the count at the count centre though to verify numbers of votes though the voting process is confidential and a vote can not be linked to an individual.

You can surely. SF have always done this at my local one. I'm sure the DUP do the same in Unionist areas. They will be sitting at a table by themselves and when the clerk calls out your name and address, the party official will score you off on their copy of the register. They take this back to party HQ where it is input into a database so that when they are canvassing next time round, they will know if you are a likely voter/nonvoter before you've even answered the door (though they won't know who you voted for unless you've told them when they canvassed last time round)

For the real staunch areas it's useful on polling day as around 6pm the database is able to produce a list of people who
1) Indicted in canvassing they would vote for your candidate
AND
2) Have not voted that day yet.
From this they can go door to door on the evening of polling day offering lifts, encouraging them to go to vote etc.

Nothing explicitly illegal any of this EXCEPT the fact they are technically storing data on you which you have not consented to. This caused a ruckus a while back with SF. Other parties kept remarkably quiet because they know they all do the exact same thing.

Never seen anyone other than the Electoral office officials in a poll centre,  am sure that this is  against the regs.

Found this:


1 http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/179741/Code-of-conduct-for␂campaigners-2015.pdf
2 Tellers are an established part of the democratic process although they have no standing in law.
Tellers are usually volunteers for candidates, parties or campaigns who are positioned outside a
polling station to ask voters for their elector number to see whether their supporters have turned out..
This activity is not illegal and may help to increase turnout by allowing campaigners to contact
electors who have not voted. However, tellers may be seen as impeding, obstructing or intimidating
electors on their way into the polling station/place. Any decision regarding the location or behaviour of
tellers is a matter for the Presiding Officer and RO, and tellers must comply with their instructions.
3 See Erlam & Ors v Rahman & Anor [2015] EWHC 1215 (QB) paragraphs 163 – 169 and 575 – 624.

It's 100% allowed and the parties have to give a list in advance of who will be there. They take it in shifts a few hours at a time. 

[Keyser soze]

I am pretty sure you cannot sit in the polling station regardless of what political party you come from.

Observers can sit in on the count at the count centre though to verify numbers of votes though the voting process is confidential and a vote can not be linked to an individual.

You can surely. SF have always done this at my local one. I'm sure the DUP do the same in Unionist areas. They will be sitting at a table by themselves and when the clerk calls out your name and address, the party official will score you off on their copy of the register. They take this back to party HQ where it is input into a database so that when they are canvassing next time round, they will know if you are a likely voter/nonvoter before you've even answered the door (though they won't know who you voted for unless you've told them when they canvassed last time round)

For the real staunch areas it's useful on polling day as around 6pm the database is able to produce a list of people who
1) Indicted in canvassing they would vote for your candidate
AND
2) Have not voted that day yet.
From this they can go door to door on the evening of polling day offering lifts, encouraging them to go to vote etc.

Nothing explicitly illegal any of this EXCEPT the fact they are technically storing data on you which you have not consented to. This caused a ruckus a while back with SF. Other parties kept remarkably quiet because they know they all do the exact same thing.

Never seen anyone other than the Electoral office officials in a poll centre,  am sure that this is  against the regs.

Found this:


1 http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/179741/Code-of-conduct-for␂campaigners-2015.pdf
2 Tellers are an established part of the democratic process although they have no standing in law.
Tellers are usually volunteers for candidates, parties or campaigns who are positioned outside a
polling station to ask voters for their elector number to see whether their supporters have turned out..
This activity is not illegal and may help to increase turnout by allowing campaigners to contact
electors who have not voted. However, tellers may be seen as impeding, obstructing or intimidating
electors on their way into the polling station/place. Any decision regarding the location or behaviour of
tellers is a matter for the Presiding Officer and RO, and tellers must comply with their instructions.
3 See Erlam & Ors v Rahman & Anor [2015] EWHC 1215 (QB) paragraphs 163 – 169 and 575 – 624.

It's 100% allowed and the parties have to give a list in advance of who will be there. They take it in shifts a few hours at a time. 

I have just quoted you the electoral commission regulations which states that it is 100% not allowed.