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playwiththewind1st

I see good old Jacob Rees Mogg is in town tonight for a DUP dinner. Hope the small talk between courses doesn't stray on to the topic of religion.

weareros

Quote from: playwiththewind1st on January 31, 2019, 09:10:11 PM
I see good old Jacob Rees Mogg is in town tonight for a DUP dinner. Hope the small talk between courses doesn't stray on to the topic of religion.

That's like 1690 views meeting the 1890's look.

playwiththewind1st

He is known as the "honourable member for the 18th century" but even that would be a bit too trendy & modern for the antediluvians of the DUP.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: playwiththewind1st on January 31, 2019, 09:10:11 PM
I see good old Jacob Rees Mogg is in town tonight for a DUP dinner. Hope the small talk between courses doesn't stray on to the topic of religion.

Fish and chips dinner?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Rossfan

Quote from: playwiththewind1st on January 31, 2019, 09:10:11 PM
I see good old Jacob Rees Mogg is in town tonight for a DUP dinner. Hope the small talk between courses doesn't stray on to the topic of religion.
The DUPUDA obviously don't know he's a Taig ::)
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

playwiththewind1st

#6230
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2019, 10:05:57 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on January 31, 2019, 09:10:11 PM
I see good old Jacob Rees Mogg is in town tonight for a DUP dinner. Hope the small talk between courses doesn't stray on to the topic of religion.

Fish and chips dinner?

Apparently he sent the cod back & asked Sammy W for lobster & caviar instead.

playwiththewind1st

Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:47:12 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on January 31, 2019, 09:10:11 PM
I see good old Jacob Rees Mogg is in town tonight for a DUP dinner. Hope the small talk between courses doesn't stray on to the topic of religion.
The DUPUDA obviously don't know he's a Taig ::)

If they do, he will be going back to Westminster in a Belfast City Council wheely bin.

seafoid

Senior hurling

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/noel-whelan-may-u-turn-reinforces-need-for-backstop-1.3777708


Noel Whelan: May U-turn reinforces need for backstop

Ireland now knows that the British prime minister is not to be trusted

Theresa May's deal is suddenly not her deal any more. This week the British prime minister with whom Ireland and 26 other countries negotiated, in good faith, an agreement for the UK to withdraw from the European Union disowned that deal.

She did this even though she had spent the best of part two years negotiating it, had persuaded her cabinet to support it despite ministerial resignations, had proposed it to parliament and had argued for it repeatedly.

Her actions represent an extraordinary breach of constitutional and diplomatic norms. Usually government leaders negotiate with other countries until they feel they have secured the best deal possible.

Then they bring this negotiated outcome to their parliaments for ratification. If they fail to secure parliamentary endorsement they resign.
"When historians get to look back at the fuller picture, they are likely to commend Varadkar, Coveney and their colleagues for their extraordinary restraint
May has simply ignored the centuries of logic behind those precedents. When her deal was rejected she carried on regardless. Now in order to survive and create a veneer of unity in the Conservative Party she has executed a massive U-turn.

Her actions were disingenuous. She stood at the Westminster dispatch box and promised to renegotiate with Brussels on the backstop even though previously she had repeatedly told parliament the EU would not alter the legal text.  She didn't tell parliament that European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker had reiterated this to her over the phone a couple of hours earlier.

Diplomatic insult

The scale of her diplomatic insult to Ireland also needs to be appreciated. Having expressly abandoned the text of the agreement May then whipped her own parliamentarians to vote for a strategy which specifically targets that aspect of the deal which is of most importance to Ireland. It's a strategy pointedly designed to maximise pressure on Ireland.

In so doing she has given free rein to those Brexiteers and Conservative cheerleaders who wish to frame Ireland as being responsible for Europe's refusal to give them Brexit on their fanciful terms. More dangerously, May has contravened the spirit of the last treaty the British government negotiated with this country, the Belfast Agreement, and in so doing has imperilled our peace.

"When she chose to leave herself beholden to those of the minority opinion on Brexit in Northern Ireland we knew it couldn't end well
There was an understandable edge to Tánaiste Simon Coveney's tone when he responded to May's U-turn on radio on Wednesday. One had a sense of great anger unexpressed.
Many in the media here in Ireland have been busy microanalysing the public utterances of Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and his Ministers in recent weeks seeking to generate a narrative about gaffes or mixed messaging.
When, in the future, historians get to look back at the fuller picture, however, they are likely to commend Varadkar, Coveney and their colleagues for the extraordinary restraint they have shown in the face of intense British provocation, especially this week.
For centuries the suggestion that "you can't trust the British" has been a stereotypical view in Ireland nationalism. Over the last three decades much has been done to displace this presumption.

This has included the work of Tony Blair on the Belfast Agreement, the work of John Major on the Downing Street Declaration, and the work done even earlier by Margaret Thatcher and her officials on the Anglo-Irish Agreement. All their work is now endangered.

Warning signs

Ireland now knows that May is not to be trusted. In fairness, there were warning signs. They go right back to that rushed summit with Enda Kenny in late January 2017 when a jet-lagged May came to Dublin, after high-profile visits to the new president of United States and then to Turkey.
As I wrote then, it had all the hallmarks of a round of consultative photo calls before the Westminster parliament debated the Brexit Bill later that week.
More importantly there was her decision to enter a confidence-and-supply agreement with the Democratic Unionist Party after her disastrous election in 2017. When she chose to leave herself beholden to those of the minority opinion on Brexit in Northern Ireland we knew it couldn't end well.

Less than six weeks ago, in a passionate defence of the text of the withdrawal agreement, May spoke in Westminster about how the backstop was "a necessary guarantee to the people of Ireland" and of how "whichever future relationship you want there is no deal available which does not include the backstop". The facts haven't changed but May has changed her mind.
This week she asked MPs to send her to Brussels to seek a backstop with a time limit or with a unilateral withdrawal clause, neither of which is a backstop at all.

These events in Westminster represent a new low after several recent lows and blows to Anglo- Irish relations. The implications for our relationship will endure long after Brexit is resolved.
We have been reminded that we can't always trust British politicians to act in the interest of this island. That's why we need a backstop.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Keyser soze

The British still think they can exercise gunboat diplomacy to enforce their view on the wider world. 

Itchy

Who would ever trust the British, not a hope. They have centuries of evidence to show they cannot be trusted to act in good faith on anything.

johnnycool

Quote from: Itchy on February 01, 2019, 10:45:39 AM
Who would ever trust the British, not a hope. They have centuries of evidence to show they cannot be trusted to act in good faith on anything.

Whoever coined the term perfidious albion summed them up to a tee.

The German Justice minister Katarina Barley is also in town today as well it seems and was interviewed by the lovely but lightweight Wendy Auston this morning and Barley was adamant that the backstop is not for renegotiating as the UK parliament have not produced anything substantial to replace it, pooh poohing the trusted trader schemes which she says May didn't even offer as an alternative.

Who blinks first it seems to be but UK businesses aren't keen on that game by the looks of it.

mouview

Quote from: playwiththewind1st on January 31, 2019, 09:10:11 PM
I see good old Jacob Rees Mogg is in town tonight for a DUP dinner. Hope the small talk between courses doesn't stray on to the topic of religion.

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. Maybot will soon start scratching now too.

seafoid

Quote from: johnnycool on February 01, 2019, 11:17:58 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 01, 2019, 10:45:39 AM
Who would ever trust the British, not a hope. They have centuries of evidence to show they cannot be trusted to act in good faith on anything.

Whoever coined the term perfidious albion summed them up to a tee.

The German Justice minister Katarina Barley is also in town today as well it seems and was interviewed by the lovely but lightweight Wendy Auston this morning and Barley was adamant that the backstop is not for renegotiating as the UK parliament have not produced anything substantial to replace it, pooh poohing the trusted trader schemes which she says May didn't even offer as an alternative.

Who blinks first it seems to be but UK businesses aren't keen on that game by the looks of it.
The Euros have taken a very dim view of May voting against the deal they negotiated with her in good faith .

Her word is worthless.
The Tories need funding for a GE but won't get any with her in charge.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

imtommygunn

End the toxicity says Arlene.

Every word that comes out of her mouth is toxic.

You couldn't make it up.