So sick of politicians use spin and distraction in interviews (along with large sections of the media) instead of tackling issues at hand so it was very refreshing to hear Mick Lynch of RMT speak the truth to cut through all the BS. More of this please.
https://twitter.com/joepagnelli/status/1539299047567245312 (https://twitter.com/joepagnelli/status/1539299047567245312)
Another one here
https://twitter.com/supertanskiii/status/1539169829248188417 (https://twitter.com/supertanskiii/status/1539169829248188417)
Have watched a few of these. The guy is brilliant.
Kay Burley tweeting she had him flustered when it was plain to see he was calm as you like.
The hero we need. Wish there was more. Has red up a few these past couple days
She was blatantly just trying to get him to say they were forcibly going to stop people going to work. Jesus you'd get more sense out of a small child than you would with her line of questioning.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 02:25:28 PM
She was blatantly just trying to get him to say they were forcibly going to stop people going to work. Jesus you'd get more sense out of a small child than you would with her line of questioning.
The media are using the divide a conquer technique of saying the Rail workers earn more than nurses, teachers etc etc and if morons buy into that without realising that they too are vastly underpaid then that tells you all you need about the power of the media in the UK.
More strikes in the offing with the postoffice workers, nurses and teachers due ballots shortly as the Gov offers them 3%...
The line that payrises will cause more inflation is a cracker too.
There was and is going to be a period of civil unrest with the way the cost of living is going vs wages. Wait until winter and people need to pay for heating too and with petrol fast approaching 2 pound sterling a litre plus.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 02:43:04 PM
The line that payrises will cause more inflation is a cracker too.
There was and is going to be a period of civil unrest with the way the cost of living is going vs wages. Wait until winter and people need to pay for heating too and with petrol fast approaching 2 pound sterling a litre plus.
They do.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2022, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 02:43:04 PM
The line that payrises will cause more inflation is a cracker too.
There was and is going to be a period of civil unrest with the way the cost of living is going vs wages. Wait until winter and people need to pay for heating too and with petrol fast approaching 2 pound sterling a litre plus.
They do.
How?
We're talking about people here on the breadline, not increasing someones already large disposable income.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2022, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 02:43:04 PM
The line that payrises will cause more inflation is a cracker too.
There was and is going to be a period of civil unrest with the way the cost of living is going vs wages. Wait until winter and people need to pay for heating too and with petrol fast approaching 2 pound sterling a litre plus.
They do.
Yes they may do. Who's peddling the line though? The MPs who voted to give themselves a payrise by any chance?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 03:40:26 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2022, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 02:43:04 PM
The line that payrises will cause more inflation is a cracker too.
There was and is going to be a period of civil unrest with the way the cost of living is going vs wages. Wait until winter and people need to pay for heating too and with petrol fast approaching 2 pound sterling a litre plus.
They do.
Yes they may do. Who's peddling the line though? The MPs who voted to give themselves a payrise by any chance?
It's an independent body that decides on politicians salaries I believe
The problem with this strike from an "optics" point of view is train drivers earn £50k plus, median salary is £59k so RMT are framing it that it's about all the lower paid staff, cleaners etc. Thats why there isn't the same goodwill
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 03:40:26 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2022, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 02:43:04 PM
The line that payrises will cause more inflation is a cracker too.
There was and is going to be a period of civil unrest with the way the cost of living is going vs wages. Wait until winter and people need to pay for heating too and with petrol fast approaching 2 pound sterling a litre plus.
They do.
Yes they may do. Who's peddling the line though? The MPs who voted to give themselves a payrise by any chance?
It's an independent body that decides on politicians salaries I believe
So it is. Post 2009 apparently. Ipsa.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 03:40:26 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2022, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 02:43:04 PM
The line that payrises will cause more inflation is a cracker too.
There was and is going to be a period of civil unrest with the way the cost of living is going vs wages. Wait until winter and people need to pay for heating too and with petrol fast approaching 2 pound sterling a litre plus.
They do.
Yes they may do. Who's peddling the line though? The MPs who voted to give themselves a payrise by any chance?
It's not really a line. Wage Push Inflation is a thing. Pay workers more > increase price of goods and services to maintain your profitability due to wage increases > inflation rises > never-ending circle of wage increases chasing increasing inflation.
I have ZERO time for the Tories but the line that "if people had been getting better wages over the last 10 years they wouldn't be striking" is a crock of shit too. People inevitably adjust their lifestyles to their income, so the inflation rate of 11% on a train driver on 54k versus if they were now on 64k living a 64 grand lifestyle, would still cause them to strike.
"Wage/price spiral"
That doesn't mean people shouldn't demand wage increases though, and be prepared to fight for them. Some try to take the piss too much though. Is it true that the lads at the Caterpillar site turned down a 9% increase?
Quote from: gallsman on June 22, 2022, 04:35:43 PM
"Wage/price spiral"
That doesn't mean people shouldn't demand wage increases though, and be prepared to fight for them. Some try to take the piss too much though. Is it true that the lads at the Caterpillar site turned down a 9% increase?
Absolutely. If a company is raking in money (profit not turnover) and times are tough then I'd say they should be looking after the people who are making the money. Not easy if you are a company where shareholders are looking for their slice.
The train drivers are a very tiny proportion of the membership of the RMT, most of the train drivers who are in a union are in ASLEF. The media, including the BBC, are twisting the narrative by adding in train drivers salaries to make the average salary of those striking look much higher than it actually is.
As for inflation in the current circumstances it is supply led inflation that is driving it rather than demand as a result of people having more money to spend which most clearly don't due to energy prices etc. No easy solution to it though but higher interest rates are penalising people whilst rewarding bankers.
Mick Lynch is a cool customer, took Burley to town and also Richard Madeley.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 22, 2022, 02:52:01 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2022, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 02:43:04 PM
The line that payrises will cause more inflation is a cracker too.
There was and is going to be a period of civil unrest with the way the cost of living is going vs wages. Wait until winter and people need to pay for heating too and with petrol fast approaching 2 pound sterling a litre plus.
They do.
How?
We're talking about people here on the breadline, not increasing someones already large disposable income.
A ticket collector getting 33k is not on the breadline ffs.
Quote from: blasmere on June 22, 2022, 05:10:31 PM
The train drivers are a very tiny proportion of the membership of the RMT, most of the train drivers who are in a union are in ASLEF. The media, including the BBC, are twisting the narrative by adding in train drivers salaries to make the average salary of those striking look much higher than it actually is.
As for inflation in the current circumstances it is supply led inflation that is driving it rather than demand as a result of people having more money to spend which most clearly don't due to energy prices etc. No easy solution to it though but higher interest rates are penalising people whilst rewarding bankers.
Mick Lynch is a cool customer, took Burley to town and also Richard Madeley.
The median average salary of the strikers (excluding train drivers) is £36k which is £5k more than the UK equivalent.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 22, 2022, 06:01:33 PM
Quote from: blasmere on June 22, 2022, 05:10:31 PM
The train drivers are a very tiny proportion of the membership of the RMT, most of the train drivers who are in a union are in ASLEF. The media, including the BBC, are twisting the narrative by adding in train drivers salaries to make the average salary of those striking look much higher than it actually is.
As for inflation in the current circumstances it is supply led inflation that is driving it rather than demand as a result of people having more money to spend which most clearly don't due to energy prices etc. No easy solution to it though but higher interest rates are penalising people whilst rewarding bankers.
Mick Lynch is a cool customer, took Burley to town and also Richard Madeley.
The median average salary of the strikers (excluding train drivers) is £36k which is £5k more than the UK equivalent.
According to the RMT it's £31k, excluding train drivers. A good number of those striking will be on a lot less than £31k. There's more to than just pay, conditions of employment, cutbacks on maintenance staff and probably other things. I'm not necessarily in favour of the strikes but what does annoy me is the hatchet job the fascist press are doing on this, calling out Starmer when the incompetent and corrupt government are making no discernible efforts to even attempt to solve this, they love it, yet another example of divide and rule.
The uk media are a joke these days. They are blatantly mostly Tory, or Tory crony, owned. They should be calling out the lies of Johnson daily and the leaving of the eu for the disaster it is but instead nonsense like this.
I just watched the Piers Morgan interview where Morgan wasted two minutes going on about why Mick uses The Hood from Thunderbirds as his FB profile pic. Utterly hilarious!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 22, 2022, 04:18:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 03:40:26 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2022, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 02:43:04 PM
The line that payrises will cause more inflation is a cracker too.
There was and is going to be a period of civil unrest with the way the cost of living is going vs wages. Wait until winter and people need to pay for heating too and with petrol fast approaching 2 pound sterling a litre plus.
They do.
Yes they may do. Who's peddling the line though? The MPs who voted to give themselves a payrise by any chance?
It's not really a line. Wage Push Inflation is a thing. Pay workers more > increase price of goods and services to maintain your profitability due to wage increases > inflation rises > never-ending circle of wage increases chasing increasing inflation.
This is where your argument fell over Tony
A lot of these companies are immensely profitable and pay generous dividends to shareholders
The railways have been subsidized for years while shareholders make a packet. Rail privatization in GB has been one big ongoing transfer of wealth from the public purse to private pockets.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 22, 2022, 07:56:21 PM
The railways have been subsidized for years while shareholders make a packet. Rail privatization in GB has been one big ongoing transfer of wealth from the public purse to private pockets.
Absolutely
Another thing - anyone using the term 'wage-price spiral' (in a serious way) has already been indoctrinated with the latest Tory/Murdoch propaganda phrase
Major red flag
Indeed. Inflation was sorted out years ago. The current inflation is a one-off because the world economy's adapting to the pandemic coming and going. It's a flash in the pan that has damn all to do with wage increases. Working people moving from barely-getting-by to actually-getting-by is not going to drive any excessive demand, certainly not enough to trigger an inflationary spiral.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 22, 2022, 09:00:22 PM
Indeed. Inflation was sorted out years ago. The current inflation is a one-off because the world economy's adapting to the pandemic coming and going. It's a flash in the pan that has damn all to do with wage increases. Working people moving from barely-getting-by to actually-getting-by is not going to drive any excessive demand, certainly not enough to trigger an inflationary spiral.
Inflation was nearly 10% last month and its getting worse. What planet are you living on?
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2022, 09:31:45 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 22, 2022, 09:00:22 PM
Indeed. Inflation was sorted out years ago. The current inflation is a one-off because the world economy's adapting to the pandemic coming and going. It's a flash in the pan that has damn all to do with wage increases. Working people moving from barely-getting-by to actually-getting-by is not going to drive any excessive demand, certainly not enough to trigger an inflationary spiral.
Inflation was nearly 10% last month and its getting worse. What planet are you living on?
The one where people read all sentences before hitting the reply button.
Quote from: Franko on June 22, 2022, 08:01:07 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 22, 2022, 07:56:21 PM
The railways have been subsidized for years while shareholders make a packet. Rail privatization in GB has been one big ongoing transfer of wealth from the public purse to private pockets.
Absolutely
Another thing - anyone using the term 'wage-price spiral' (in a serious way) has already been indoctrinated with the latest Tory/Murdoch propaganda phrase
Major red flag
Or, you know, has taken some basic Economics classes at GCSE or above.
Quote from: gallsman on June 22, 2022, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: Franko on June 22, 2022, 08:01:07 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 22, 2022, 07:56:21 PM
The railways have been subsidized for years while shareholders make a packet. Rail privatization in GB has been one big ongoing transfer of wealth from the public purse to private pockets.
Absolutely
Another thing - anyone using the term 'wage-price spiral' (in a serious way) has already been indoctrinated with the latest Tory/Murdoch propaganda phrase
Major red flag
Or, you know, has taken some basic Economics classes at GCSE or above.
Genuinely wasn't a dig at you - I didn't think you were using it seriously as you had it in inverted commas
I'm aware that this is an economic phenomenon
But watch the Tories throw this line out along with their 'delivered for the people' and 'got Brexit done' etc etc
It's pure propaganda to try to beat the unions back by turning public opinion against them
They know that if they don't put a lid on things shortly, they could be looking at a general strike come winter
Watch the hit pieces on Mick Lynch start to roll out soon as he's becoming someone who could amass a following
And also. Settle down. Not everyone wants to fight you all the time.
"Hypocrite Mick Lynch stayed at millionaires holiday home in 1993" incoming I'd say.
Named his hero as James Connolly. The man can do no wrong! ;D
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2022, 01:37:45 AM
"Hypocrite Mick Lynch stayed at millionaires holiday home in 1993" incoming I'd say.
He's already had that he looks like a bad thunderbird and has it as his social media picture. I rarely listen to that tool Morgan but wanted to listen to him interviewing this guy to see him being made a tit of and that he was.
Quote from: GJL on June 23, 2022, 06:27:42 AM
Named his hero as James Connolly. The man can do no wrong! ;D
With his surname he obviously has Irish ancestry.
Edit : parents Irish
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2022, 05:38:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 22, 2022, 02:52:01 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2022, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 02:43:04 PM
The line that payrises will cause more inflation is a cracker too.
There was and is going to be a period of civil unrest with the way the cost of living is going vs wages. Wait until winter and people need to pay for heating too and with petrol fast approaching 2 pound sterling a litre plus.
After tax, NIC, mortgage/food/heat/light etc etc etc I wouldn't say they lead too lavish a lifestyle
They do.
How?
We're talking about people here on the breadline, not increasing someones already large disposable income.
A ticket collector getting 33k is not on the breadline ffs.
Quote from: GJL on June 23, 2022, 06:27:42 AM
Named his hero as James Connolly. The man can do no wrong! ;D
He's still an unrepentant Brexiteer!!!
Nationalising the railways would be a huge step in the right direction. The sell off was just a good old transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich. The railways in the UK are extremely expensive and poorly run.
I wouldn't want to be trying to make ends meet on £33k especially in Britain with house prices / rents and the increased cost of living.
Quote from: GJL on June 23, 2022, 06:27:42 AM
Named his hero as James Connolly. The man can do no wrong! ;D
No doubt the Daily Mail will go to town on him being an Irish Republican Terrorist sympathiser now.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2022, 05:38:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 22, 2022, 02:52:01 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2022, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 02:43:04 PM
The line that payrises will cause more inflation is a cracker too.
There was and is going to be a period of civil unrest with the way the cost of living is going vs wages. Wait until winter and people need to pay for heating too and with petrol fast approaching 2 pound sterling a litre plus.
They do.
How?
We're talking about people here on the breadline, not increasing someones already large disposable income.
A ticket collector getting 33k is not on the breadline ffs.
In London you would.
How about platform staff on £20K a year?
Two economists on Newsnight stipulated that the current inflation spike isn't being caused by wage growth (unit labour which is very low at the minute) but the non labour input costs which is driving the current spike in inflation as well as excess corporate profits which they talk about and is something the government can make changes to but have so far chosen not to.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0018lt0/newsnight-22062022 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0018lt0/newsnight-22062022)
13 minutes in.
The lady in particular who had no ties to the Tory's or Boris made it clear that the raising of interest rates was entirely the wrong thing to do as this current spike isn't caused by excess spending.
Have a listen yourself.
You can also watch Mick cut Robert Jenrick a new one on Peston by explaining basic facts that the Gov set the fare rises against the RPI, yet wages aren't and allowing £100M of profit be stripped out of the business during Covid.
Quote from: screenexile on June 23, 2022, 09:45:23 AM
Quote from: GJL on June 23, 2022, 06:27:42 AM
Named his hero as James Connolly. The man can do no wrong! ;D
He's still an unrepentant Brexiteer!!!
A very short sighted strategy to keep the labour pool down and protect members by limiting immigration!
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Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2022, 05:38:09 PM
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Quote from: RedHand88 on June 22, 2022, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 02:43:04 PM
The line that payrises will cause more inflation is a cracker too.
There was and is going to be a period of civil unrest with the way the cost of living is going vs wages. Wait until winter and people need to pay for heating too and with petrol fast approaching 2 pound sterling a litre plus.
They do.
How?
We're talking about people here on the breadline, not increasing someones already large disposable income.
A ticket collector getting 33k is not on the breadline ffs.
In London you would.
How about platform staff on £20K a year?
Two economists on Newsnight stipulated that the current inflation spike isn't being caused by wage growth (unit labour which is very low at the minute) but the non labour input costs which is driving the current spike in inflation as well as excess corporate profits which they talk about and is something the government can make changes to but have so far chosen not to.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0018lt0/newsnight-22062022 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0018lt0/newsnight-22062022)
13 minutes in.
The lady in particular who had no ties to the Tory's or Boris made it clear that the raising of interest rates was entirely the wrong thing to do as this current spike isn't caused by excess spending.
Have a listen yourself.
I have been saying that for a while.
The BoE puts interest rates down to discourage saving and encourage spending. Kick start the economy.
The BOE puts interest rates up to discourage spending and encourage saving. Rein in rampant consumer spending.
However it is not people going mad and buying TV's and holidays that is causing inflation.
When your only tool is a hammer every problem looks like a nail.
Quote from: screenexile on June 23, 2022, 09:45:23 AM
Quote from: GJL on June 23, 2022, 06:27:42 AM
Named his hero as James Connolly. The man can do no wrong! ;D
He's still an unrepentant Brexiteer!!!
Big supporter of the the protocol; the biggest issue with brexit is the way it is being implemented.
I think he is wrong in the point he was making this morning on RTE1 on the NHS, but for me the issue is the hard vrexitxthat was decided and the refusal to implement the NIP in an attempt to drag Ireland out of the Single Market that is the biggest issue.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2022, 08:40:32 AM
Quote from: GJL on June 23, 2022, 06:27:42 AM
Named his hero as James Connolly. The man can do no wrong! ;D
With his surname he obviously has Irish ancestry.
Edit : parents Irish
Mother from Crossmaglen and father from Cork! No wonder he's the way he is round the Brits ;D
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 25, 2022, 01:17:15 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2022, 08:40:32 AM
Quote from: GJL on June 23, 2022, 06:27:42 AM
Named his hero as James Connolly. The man can do no wrong! ;D
With his surname he obviously has Irish ancestry.
Edit : parents Irish
Mother from Crossmaglen and father from Cork! No wonder he's the way he is round the Brits ;D
Planning a trip to Turners Cross in August for City v "whatever Limerick are called now, Treaty United or something"
Expect the IRA sympathiser rethoric from the Murdock press very shortly
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 25, 2022, 01:17:15 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2022, 08:40:32 AM
Quote from: GJL on June 23, 2022, 06:27:42 AM
Named his hero as James Connolly. The man can do no wrong! ;D
With his surname he obviously has Irish ancestry.
Edit : parents Irish
Mother from Crossmaglen and father from Cork! No wonder he's the way he is round the Brits ;D
True. Despite the Cork connections.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp (https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp)
Rejecting a 4% pay rise backdated to January may cost them alot of support...
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2022, 01:43:01 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp (https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp)
Rejecting a 4% pay rise backdated to January may cost them alot of support...
With inflation hitting 10%, why would they?
Quote from: johnnycool on July 14, 2022, 01:58:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2022, 01:43:01 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp (https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp)
Rejecting a 4% pay rise backdated to January may cost them alot of support...
With inflation hitting 10%, why would they?
How many people get anywhere close to a 10% payrise this year?
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Quote from: johnnycool on July 14, 2022, 01:58:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2022, 01:43:01 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp (https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp)
Rejecting a 4% pay rise backdated to January may cost them alot of support...
With inflation hitting 10%, why would they?
How many people get anywhere close to a 10% payrise this year?
Medical sales people
When was the last time they got a pay rise though? Is this not a cumulative thing?(could be wrong but thought it was?)
Doctors are going to ask for 30% rise over 5 years to combat inflation since 2008. Will they get the same sympathy?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/15/nhs-doctors-strike-is-inevitable-says-new-bma-chair (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/15/nhs-doctors-strike-is-inevitable-says-new-bma-chair)
Doctors have been getting effective pay decreases for years. It turns a lot of them to private. Not as lucrative as some would have you believe.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/labour-frontbencher-sam-tarry-sacked-after-appearing-on-picket-line-during-rail-strike-12660158 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/labour-frontbencher-sam-tarry-sacked-after-appearing-on-picket-line-during-rail-strike-12660158)
The bin men of Mid Ulster council are currently on a 4 week strike which started this week.
The council have just started using the new fleet of the new fancy side lifting lorries so only one man is needed to do the job instead of the 2.
The driver doesn't have to get out of the lorry and there is no manual labour whatsoever, the job has been made easier and they are looking more money.
Quote from: Hereiam on July 27, 2022, 09:36:39 PM
The bin men of Mid Ulster council are currently on a 4 week strike which started this week.
The council have just started using the new fleet of the new fancy side lifting lorries so only one man is needed to do the job instead of the 2.
The driver doesn't have to get out of the lorry and there is no manual labour whatsoever, the job has been made easier and they are looking more money.
Maybe the bin lorry won't leave the f**king bin in the middle of the road every week now
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2022, 01:43:01 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp (https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp)
Rejecting a 4% pay rise backdated to January may cost them alot of support...
Lose support of a lot of which people and what exactly are you basing that on?
I do accept that supposed neutrals such as BBC are overly focused on the negative side effects of rail disruptions, applying responsibility for such effects onto Mad Mike and not onto the various rail bosses and the various tory warts and tumors who refuse to negotiate a deal with the Unions.
I should add the Labour party are about as effective as a fleabag.
The media just focus on the negative from employee perspective . All these private firms just want profit growth year on year and aren't prepared to put any profit back into employees. You then get two arguments against the employees - prices will need to go up to cover the pay rises and pay rises will actually increase inflation. People seem to fall for these but they are both bullshit. Less profit, but still significant profit, would pay for it and a pay rise to cover inflation will not bring up inflation!
The whole thing is exactly how tories, and parties of their ilk, want to run the place.
I hope Starmer goes tbh. One of the worst governments in history- definitely the most corrupt- and still making no headway.
I don't know why anyone would want to be part of the "union" with these c**ts - nationalist or unionist.
Quote from: Hereiam on July 27, 2022, 09:36:39 PM
The bin men of Mid Ulster council are currently on a 4 week strike which started this week.
The council have just started using the new fleet of the new fancy side lifting lorries so only one man is needed to do the job instead of the 2.
The driver doesn't have to get out of the lorry and there is no manual labour whatsoever, the job has been made easier and they are looking more money.
If your employer lands beside you tomorrow and says he/she has got some new device that will make your job easier - but because of this you will now have to accept a de facto real terms pay cut... would you accept that?
Because if you would you're a right pushover
Technology is changing all the time and jobs will become easier to do with less manpower..
I was speaking to the shop assistant the other day and the place has brought in 4 self scanning machines, I was curious to know if they had let people go as they don't need to really serve people anymore, nope, gives them more time to stack shelves and do all the other crap they had to do on top of serving..
Be difficult enough to lose your job for the council I'm sure with that binman job they'll shift him to another sector within the council
Will we see a lot of places (public sector) going on strike action? seems to be a trend
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:49:50 AM
Technology is changing all the time and jobs will become easier to do with less manpower..
I was speaking to the shop assistant the other day and the place has brought in 4 self scanning machines, I was curious to know if they had let people go as they don't need to really serve people anymore, nope, gives them more time to stack shelves and do all the other crap they had to do on top of serving..
Be difficult enough to lose your job for the council I'm sure with that binman job they'll shift him to another sector within the council
Will we see a lot of places (public sector) going on strike action? seems to be a trend
I don't buy the Retail example for a second, the staff that were working on tills are redeployed to other duties surely but when ANY member of staff leaves down the line they are not replaced and the 2.5 till operator staff that was built into overall staff compliment disappears over time and the shop eventually operates with 2.5 fewer people. Self scanners are & will do away with jobs, may take a bit of time but it's a long term play. If I was a small business owner I'd call it progress but if I was a TU Rep I wouldn't.
Public Sector strikes can be headed off with decent pay rises, I doubt anyone is genuinely expecting an 8-10% pay rise but Government has to meet the Public Sector half way in the current circumstances.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 28, 2022, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:49:50 AM
Technology is changing all the time and jobs will become easier to do with less manpower..
I was speaking to the shop assistant the other day and the place has brought in 4 self scanning machines, I was curious to know if they had let people go as they don't need to really serve people anymore, nope, gives them more time to stack shelves and do all the other crap they had to do on top of serving..
Be difficult enough to lose your job for the council I'm sure with that binman job they'll shift him to another sector within the council
Will we see a lot of places (public sector) going on strike action? seems to be a trend
I don't buy the Retail example for a second, the staff that were working on tills are redeployed to other duties surely but when ANY member of staff leaves down the line they are not replaced and the 2.5 till operator staff that was built into overall staff compliment disappears over time and the shop eventually operates with 2.5 fewer people. Self scanners are & will do away with jobs, may take a bit of time but it's a long term play. If I was a small business owner I'd call it progress but if I was a TU Rep I wouldn't.
Public Sector strikes can be headed off with decent pay rises, I doubt anyone is genuinely expecting an 8-10% pay rise but Government has to meet the Public Sector half way in the current circumstances.
It's not the government who pays for these pay increases. It's non PS tax payers who do. More money for the PS means less money for private sector workers.
Quote from: StephenC on July 28, 2022, 04:29:54 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 28, 2022, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:49:50 AM
Technology is changing all the time and jobs will become easier to do with less manpower..
I was speaking to the shop assistant the other day and the place has brought in 4 self scanning machines, I was curious to know if they had let people go as they don't need to really serve people anymore, nope, gives them more time to stack shelves and do all the other crap they had to do on top of serving..
Be difficult enough to lose your job for the council I'm sure with that binman job they'll shift him to another sector within the council
Will we see a lot of places (public sector) going on strike action? seems to be a trend
I don't buy the Retail example for a second, the staff that were working on tills are redeployed to other duties surely but when ANY member of staff leaves down the line they are not replaced and the 2.5 till operator staff that was built into overall staff compliment disappears over time and the shop eventually operates with 2.5 fewer people. Self scanners are & will do away with jobs, may take a bit of time but it's a long term play. If I was a small business owner I'd call it progress but if I was a TU Rep I wouldn't.
Public Sector strikes can be headed off with decent pay rises, I doubt anyone is genuinely expecting an 8-10% pay rise but Government has to meet the Public Sector half way in the current circumstances.
It's not the government who pays for these pay increases. It's non PS tax payers who do. More money for the PS means less money for private sector workers.
Takes us back the same old argument though
For the UK anyway - there's always a few billions under the mattress when some middle eastern country needs bombed or we need another couple of nuclear submarines
Listen to David McWilliams on this stuff - the Thatcherite line that a government budget and a home budget require handling in the same way is a myth
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2022, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 14, 2022, 01:58:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2022, 01:43:01 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp (https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp)
Rejecting a 4% pay rise backdated to January may cost them alot of support...
With inflation hitting 10%, why would they?
How many people get anywhere close to a 10% payrise this year?
HMRC got a 13% payrise recently
Quote from: StephenC on July 28, 2022, 04:29:54 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 28, 2022, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:49:50 AM
Technology is changing all the time and jobs will become easier to do with less manpower..
I was speaking to the shop assistant the other day and the place has brought in 4 self scanning machines, I was curious to know if they had let people go as they don't need to really serve people anymore, nope, gives them more time to stack shelves and do all the other crap they had to do on top of serving..
Be difficult enough to lose your job for the council I'm sure with that binman job they'll shift him to another sector within the council
Will we see a lot of places (public sector) going on strike action? seems to be a trend
I don't buy the Retail example for a second, the staff that were working on tills are redeployed to other duties surely but when ANY member of staff leaves down the line they are not replaced and the 2.5 till operator staff that was built into overall staff compliment disappears over time and the shop eventually operates with 2.5 fewer people. Self scanners are & will do away with jobs, may take a bit of time but it's a long term play. If I was a small business owner I'd call it progress but if I was a TU Rep I wouldn't.
Public Sector strikes can be headed off with decent pay rises, I doubt anyone is genuinely expecting an 8-10% pay rise but Government has to meet the Public Sector half way in the current circumstances.
It's not the government who pays for these pay increases. It's non PS tax payers who do. More money for the PS means less money for private sector workers.
Also - a point of order
The railways (this bit of them anyway) are no longer in public ownership
So the strikes that this thread refers to specifically are not by public sector workers
Quote from: StephenC on July 28, 2022, 04:29:54 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 28, 2022, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:49:50 AM
Technology is changing all the time and jobs will become easier to do with less manpower..
I was speaking to the shop assistant the other day and the place has brought in 4 self scanning machines, I was curious to know if they had let people go as they don't need to really serve people anymore, nope, gives them more time to stack shelves and do all the other crap they had to do on top of serving..
Be difficult enough to lose your job for the council I'm sure with that binman job they'll shift him to another sector within the council
Will we see a lot of places (public sector) going on strike action? seems to be a trend
I don't buy the Retail example for a second, the staff that were working on tills are redeployed to other duties surely but when ANY member of staff leaves down the line they are not replaced and the 2.5 till operator staff that was built into overall staff compliment disappears over time and the shop eventually operates with 2.5 fewer people. Self scanners are & will do away with jobs, may take a bit of time but it's a long term play. If I was a small business owner I'd call it progress but if I was a TU Rep I wouldn't.
Public Sector strikes can be headed off with decent pay rises, I doubt anyone is genuinely expecting an 8-10% pay rise but Government has to meet the Public Sector half way in the current circumstances.
It's not the government who pays for these pay increases. It's non PS tax payers who do. More money for the PS means less money for private sector workers.
This post makes little or no sense. Firstly all Public Sector workers are Tax Payers, Tax payers money is managed by the Government, so it's generally their call on pay awards. Private Sector workers are not paid by the Government.
Quote from: Main Street on July 28, 2022, 12:38:11 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2022, 01:43:01 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp (https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp)
Rejecting a 4% pay rise backdated to January may cost them alot of support...
Lose support of a lot of which people and what exactly are you basing that on?
I do accept that supposed neutrals such as BBC are overly focused on the negative side effects of rail disruptions, applying responsibility for such effects onto Mad Mike and not onto the various rail bosses and the various tory warts and tumors who refuse to negotiate a deal with the Unions.
I should add the Labour party are about as effective as a fleabag.
Starmer is a neoliberal. He sacked shadow Transport Minister Sam Tarry for joining a picket about rail safety .
The UK is in crisis. An Tuaisceart doesn't even have a Parliament that's open
Quote from: bennydorano on July 28, 2022, 06:25:07 PM
Quote from: StephenC on July 28, 2022, 04:29:54 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 28, 2022, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:49:50 AM
Technology is changing all the time and jobs will become easier to do with less manpower..
I was speaking to the shop assistant the other day and the place has brought in 4 self scanning machines, I was curious to know if they had let people go as they don't need to really serve people anymore, nope, gives them more time to stack shelves and do all the other crap they had to do on top of serving..
Be difficult enough to lose your job for the council I'm sure with that binman job they'll shift him to another sector within the council
Will we see a lot of places (public sector) going on strike action? seems to be a trend
I don't buy the Retail example for a second, the staff that were working on tills are redeployed to other duties surely but when ANY member of staff leaves down the line they are not replaced and the 2.5 till operator staff that was built into overall staff compliment disappears over time and the shop eventually operates with 2.5 fewer people. Self scanners are & will do away with jobs, may take a bit of time but it's a long term play. If I was a small business owner I'd call it progress but if I was a TU Rep I wouldn't.
Public Sector strikes can be headed off with decent pay rises, I doubt anyone is genuinely expecting an 8-10% pay rise but Government has to meet the Public Sector half way in the current circumstances.
It's not the government who pays for these pay increases. It's non PS tax payers who do. More money for the PS means less money for private sector workers.
This post makes little or no sense. Firstly all Public Sector workers are Tax Payers, Tax payers money is managed by the Government, so it's generally their call on pay awards. Private Sector workers are not paid by the Government.
Really ... it makes no sense? PS workers do not make a net contribution to the tax take (the givernment pay them money and then they give some back to the government). I agree that tax payers money is managed by the government (that's what we elect them to do), and also agree that we expect the givernment to manage pay awards to the PS. I also agree that private sector workers are not paid by the government.
So with all that said, my 2 points remain:
- It's not the government who pays for these pay increases. It's non PS tax payers who do.
- More money for the PS means less money for private sector workers.
Quote from: StephenC on July 29, 2022, 09:01:48 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 28, 2022, 06:25:07 PM
Quote from: StephenC on July 28, 2022, 04:29:54 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 28, 2022, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:49:50 AM
Technology is changing all the time and jobs will become easier to do with less manpower..
I was speaking to the shop assistant the other day and the place has brought in 4 self scanning machines, I was curious to know if they had let people go as they don't need to really serve people anymore, nope, gives them more time to stack shelves and do all the other crap they had to do on top of serving..
Be difficult enough to lose your job for the council I'm sure with that binman job they'll shift him to another sector within the council
Will we see a lot of places (public sector) going on strike action? seems to be a trend
I don't buy the Retail example for a second, the staff that were working on tills are redeployed to other duties surely but when ANY member of staff leaves down the line they are not replaced and the 2.5 till operator staff that was built into overall staff compliment disappears over time and the shop eventually operates with 2.5 fewer people. Self scanners are & will do away with jobs, may take a bit of time but it's a long term play. If I was a small business owner I'd call it progress but if I was a TU Rep I wouldn't.
Public Sector strikes can be headed off with decent pay rises, I doubt anyone is genuinely expecting an 8-10% pay rise but Government has to meet the Public Sector half way in the current circumstances.
It's not the government who pays for these pay increases. It's non PS tax payers who do. More money for the PS means less money for private sector workers.
This post makes little or no sense. Firstly all Public Sector workers are Tax Payers, Tax payers money is managed by the Government, so it's generally their call on pay awards. Private Sector workers are not paid by the Government.
Really ... it makes no sense? PS workers do not make a net contribution to the tax take (the givernment pay them money and then they give some back to the government). I agree that tax payers money is managed by the government (that's what we elect them to do), and also agree that we expect the givernment to manage pay awards to the PS. I also agree that private sector workers are not paid by the government.
So with all that said, my 2 points remain:
- It's not the government who pays for these pay increases. It's non PS tax payers who do.
- More money for the PS means less money for private sector workers.
The Kool-aid has been consumed
Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2022, 10:01:18 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 28, 2022, 12:38:11 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2022, 01:43:01 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp (https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp)
Rejecting a 4% pay rise backdated to January may cost them alot of support...
Lose support of a lot of which people and what exactly are you basing that on?
I do accept that supposed neutrals such as BBC are overly focused on the negative side effects of rail disruptions, applying responsibility for such effects onto Mad Mike and not onto the various rail bosses and the various tory warts and tumors who refuse to negotiate a deal with the Unions.
I should add the Labour party are about as effective as a fleabag.
Starmer is a neoliberal. He sacked shadow Transport Minister Sam Tarry for joining a picket about rail safety .
The UK is in crisis. An Tuaisceart doesn't even have a Parliament that's open
Incorrect. He sacked him for opening his mouth to deviate from agreed shadow cabinet policy when not authorised to do so.
Quote from: CiKe on July 29, 2022, 10:01:34 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2022, 10:01:18 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 28, 2022, 12:38:11 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2022, 01:43:01 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp (https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp)
Rejecting a 4% pay rise backdated to January may cost them alot of support...
Lose support of a lot of which people and what exactly are you basing that on?
I do accept that supposed neutrals such as BBC are overly focused on the negative side effects of rail disruptions, applying responsibility for such effects onto Mad Mike and not onto the various rail bosses and the various tory warts and tumors who refuse to negotiate a deal with the Unions.
I should add the Labour party are about as effective as a fleabag.
Starmer is a neoliberal. He sacked shadow Transport Minister Sam Tarry for joining a picket about rail safety .
The UK is in crisis. An Tuaisceart doesn't even have a Parliament that's open
Incorrect. He sacked him for opening his mouth to deviate from agreed shadow cabinet policy when not authorised to do so.
That may be true but the Labour front bench got their knickers in a twist when cornered by Tory's asking whether they supported the RMT strikes.
FFS where are Labour going when it's difficult to say they do support them considering they have taken pay cuts for years and the companies are paying record dividends and salaries at the top end?
Quote from: CiKe on July 29, 2022, 10:01:34 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 28, 2022, 10:01:18 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 28, 2022, 12:38:11 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2022, 01:43:01 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp (https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-strike-27-july-network-trains-b2122302.html?amp)
Rejecting a 4% pay rise backdated to January may cost them alot of support...
Lose support of a lot of which people and what exactly are you basing that on?
I do accept that supposed neutrals such as BBC are overly focused on the negative side effects of rail disruptions, applying responsibility for such effects onto Mad Mike and not onto the various rail bosses and the various tory warts and tumors who refuse to negotiate a deal with the Unions.
I should add the Labour party are about as effective as a fleabag.
Starmer is a neoliberal. He sacked shadow Transport Minister Sam Tarry for joining a picket about rail safety .
The UK is in crisis. An Tuaisceart doesn't even have a Parliament that's open
Incorrect. He sacked him for opening his mouth to deviate from agreed shadow cabinet policy when not authorised to do so.
Semantics
The obvious issue here is that this was shadow cabinet policy for the Labour party in the first place
It's not semantics. It's two entirely different things. The second of which - the actual policy - you may entirely disagree with.
However what he did was tantamount to insubordination. If Starmer hadn't reacted strongly, he would have basically said "I am a weak leader" and opened himself up to more of same.
Quote from: CiKe on July 29, 2022, 11:10:56 AM
It's not semantics. It's two entirely different things. The second of which - the actual policy - you may entirely disagree with.
However what he did was tantamount to insubordination. If Starmer hadn't reacted strongly, he would have basically said "I am a weak leader" and opened himself up to more of same.
Being a strong leader with weak policies isn't a good look and the reason Sam Tarry probably felt he'd to show some sort of solidarity with striking workers is that the Labour party under Starmer is weak in this regard and a few other areas.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 29, 2022, 11:35:24 AM
Quote from: CiKe on July 29, 2022, 11:10:56 AM
It's not semantics. It's two entirely different things. The second of which - the actual policy - you may entirely disagree with.
However what he did was tantamount to insubordination. If Starmer hadn't reacted strongly, he would have basically said "I am a weak leader" and opened himself up to more of same.
Being a strong leader with weak policies isn't a good look and the reason Sam Tarry probably felt he'd to show some sort of solidarity with striking workers is that the Labour party under Starmer is weak in this regard and a few other areas.
Couldn't have put it better.
Starmer hasn't much chance of winning back the old red wall seats with nonsense like this
Actions like this show him to be what a lot suspected he is - a man without the stomach for the big fights (that he should be fighting - IMO) but who'll happily wield the axe when the opposition is weaker
Quote from: StephenC on July 29, 2022, 09:01:48 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 28, 2022, 06:25:07 PM
Quote from: StephenC on July 28, 2022, 04:29:54 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 28, 2022, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:49:50 AM
Technology is changing all the time and jobs will become easier to do with less manpower..
I was speaking to the shop assistant the other day and the place has brought in 4 self scanning machines, I was curious to know if they had let people go as they don't need to really serve people anymore, nope, gives them more time to stack shelves and do all the other crap they had to do on top of serving..
Be difficult enough to lose your job for the council I'm sure with that binman job they'll shift him to another sector within the council
Will we see a lot of places (public sector) going on strike action? seems to be a trend
I don't buy the Retail example for a second, the staff that were working on tills are redeployed to other duties surely but when ANY member of staff leaves down the line they are not replaced and the 2.5 till operator staff that was built into overall staff compliment disappears over time and the shop eventually operates with 2.5 fewer people. Self scanners are & will do away with jobs, may take a bit of time but it's a long term play. If I was a small business owner I'd call it progress but if I was a TU Rep I wouldn't.
Public Sector strikes can be headed off with decent pay rises, I doubt anyone is genuinely expecting an 8-10% pay rise but Government has to meet the Public Sector half way in the current circumstances.
It's not the government who pays for these pay increases. It's non PS tax payers who do. More money for the PS means less money for private sector workers.
This post makes little or no sense. Firstly all Public Sector workers are Tax Payers, Tax payers money is managed by the Government, so it's generally their call on pay awards. Private Sector workers are not paid by the Government.
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Really ... it makes no sense? PS workers do not make a net contribution to the tax take (the givernment pay them money and then they give some back to the government). I agree that tax payers money is managed by the government (that's what we elect them to do), and also agree that we expect the givernment to manage pay awards to the PS. I also agree that private sector workers are not paid by the government.
So with all that said, my 2 points remain:
- It's not the government who pays for these pay increases. It's non PS tax payers who do.
- More money for the PS means less money for private sector workers.
WTF. Never one to stick up for PS workers but you seem to be forgetting about the little fact that they are still doing a job. Many are doing jobs that I would not like to take on. And many are on cushy numbers. Either way, your statement is nonsense. PS workers pay as much tax as everyone else ( more than some self employed). Who their employer is, is irrelevant.
Quote from: Franko on July 29, 2022, 12:06:35 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 29, 2022, 11:35:24 AM
Quote from: CiKe on July 29, 2022, 11:10:56 AM
It's not semantics. It's two entirely different things. The second of which - the actual policy - you may entirely disagree with.
However what he did was tantamount to insubordination. If Starmer hadn't reacted strongly, he would have basically said "I am a weak leader" and opened himself up to more of same.
Being a strong leader with weak policies isn't a good look and the reason Sam Tarry probably felt he'd to show some sort of solidarity with striking workers is that the Labour party under Starmer is weak in this regard and a few other areas.
Couldn't have put it better.
Starmer hasn't much chance of winning back the old red wall seats with nonsense like this
Actions like this show him to be what a lot suspected he is - a man without the stomach for the big fights (that he should be fighting - IMO) but who'll happily wield the axe when the opposition is weaker
I don't disagree with either of you.
Quote from: StephenC on July 29, 2022, 09:01:48 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 28, 2022, 06:25:07 PM
Quote from: StephenC on July 28, 2022, 04:29:54 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 28, 2022, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:49:50 AM
Technology is changing all the time and jobs will become easier to do with less manpower..
I was speaking to the shop assistant the other day and the place has brought in 4 self scanning machines, I was curious to know if they had let people go as they don't need to really serve people anymore, nope, gives them more time to stack shelves and do all the other crap they had to do on top of serving..
Be difficult enough to lose your job for the council I'm sure with that binman job they'll shift him to another sector within the council
Will we see a lot of places (public sector) going on strike action? seems to be a trend
I don't buy the Retail example for a second, the staff that were working on tills are redeployed to other duties surely but when ANY member of staff leaves down the line they are not replaced and the 2.5 till operator staff that was built into overall staff compliment disappears over time and the shop eventually operates with 2.5 fewer people. Self scanners are & will do away with jobs, may take a bit of time but it's a long term play. If I was a small business owner I'd call it progress but if I was a TU Rep I wouldn't.
Public Sector strikes can be headed off with decent pay rises, I doubt anyone is genuinely expecting an 8-10% pay rise but Government has to meet the Public Sector half way in the current circumstances.
It's not the government who pays for these pay increases. It's non PS tax payers who do. More money for the PS means less money for private sector workers.
This post makes little or no sense. Firstly all Public Sector workers are Tax Payers, Tax payers money is managed by the Government, so it's generally their call on pay awards. Private Sector workers are not paid by the Government.
Really ... it makes no sense? PS workers do not make a net contribution to the tax take (the givernment pay them money and then they give some back to the government). I agree that tax payers money is managed by the government (that's what we elect them to do), and also agree that we expect the givernment to manage pay awards to the PS. I also agree that private sector workers are not paid by the government.
So with all that said, my 2 points remain:
- It's not the government who pays for these pay increases. It's non PS tax payers who do.
- More money for the PS means less money for private sector workers.
No, what you think you're saying and what you're actually saying are likely 2 different things.
Royal Mail staff (a Public Sector organisation) will be disappointed to learn you dont think they contribute to the Tax take of the UK Government. Just like BT, British Gas and the Railways all did too before they were sold off for buttons. The Railway networks exist in a hybrid state where the Public Sector bears a lot of the infrastructure costs and the franchise holders of networks reap the profits.
More money for Public Sector workers means less money for Private Sector workers??? You're going to have to explain that one
Also, my original point was the Government can avoid strikes by compromising on Public Sector pay, not sure why that set you off in the first place? Dont believe the Tories ffs, Maybe you'd prefer your Tax £ to go on defence? Liz Truss is promising to increase Defence spending by near 1% of UK GDP (UK GDP in 2021 was £2.2trillion)
Unfortunately the Daily Mail-esque propaganda machine has found a willing recipient here
Strikes at Oil refineries in Scotland and England today...
Shíts getting real.....
https://twitter.com/i/status/1557260008232034304 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1557260008232034304)
Quote from: johnnycool on August 10, 2022, 12:44:20 PM
Strikes at Oil refineries in Scotland and England today...
Shíts getting real.....
https://twitter.com/i/status/1557260008232034304 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1557260008232034304)
More power to them.
Companies making millions every year and screwing the workers over.
Companies like these and the Tories are a bad combination.
tories and media will probably label the strikers woke soon
You're either for us or woke is the new motto :o
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2022, 03:15:47 PM
You're either for us or woke is the new motto :o
Is being "Woke" a derisory term now?