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« Last post by manfromdelmonte on Today at 03:02:28 PM »I often do two weeks of courses during the summerHa so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!
The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,
So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?
You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.
Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.
Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year. So, their pay is limited. They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.
They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave.
Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year. Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse. This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days. So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.
Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker. A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.
However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay. They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts. They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year. They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.
In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.
Semantics.
They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.
Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.
It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.
I think you meant underpaid and overworked. If you know nothing about a topic bomber you really shouldn't comment on it. As for people go into teaching for the holidays, wrong again. I never met a teacher who did that. In fact, I know quite a few, including myself, who got out of teaching despite the holidays
No I didn't. I've worked and lived with teachers so I do have my own insights to what they do. You said you never knew a teacher got it in for the holidays. Brilliant, so there should be no objection if teachers were put to working during the school breaks with community based projects.
Teachers live in a bubble. They are overpaid and underworked.
Are you a teacher or married to one?
So you have no first hand experience of teaching do you? Why would they do community based projects? Although I know quite a few who do that kind of work during holidays, running summer camps etc, but why would they? Would you put a doctor onto community based projects during thir time off? A binman? A solicitor? So why a teacher
I will say it again, with first hand experience, unlike you. Teachers are overworked and underpaid
Why would they do community based projects? Because for one quarter of the working year they do nothing. Teachers are like unionists in that they feel a sense of entitlement to perks that others don't have and never will
It's quite simple really. If the very generous holidays that teachers get are not a reason or incentive for people pursuing that career then it shouldn't be a problem scrapping that entitlement and bringing it in line with other, already generous, public sector employment.
Teachers are very defensive about their 3 months holidays. They feel a sense of entitlement to them. Why do they feel they deserve them in contrast with other workers?
I might also help on our GAA summer camp for a week (voluntary)
Some summers I've gone off teaching in the Gaeltacht. the money isn't great but it gives me a chance to put some fheabhas on my Irish which I need all year long.
other summers I've just disappeared on the first day off and not come back until a day or two before the school resumes.
every teacher is different.
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