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Anyone know when was our last victory over Dublin in Omagh? Iím thinking back through the league matches and we lost to them this year and also the battle of Omagh ( well on the scoreboard anyway).

Iím not being defeatist itís the populist attitude that gets me. We were hyped to the hilt last year mostly by those in the media then we lost to the best Dublin side to ever take the field and all of a sudden weíre shite, players not good enough, managers a bollix, systems all wrong. That permeated through a league where we played quite well at times but still the analysts in the media and observers here were writing us off. We played very positively against Monaghan and lost due to the excellence of Mc manus and again those supposedly in the know saw it as our final demise. The gusty display against a wounded Meath was wrote off as being very lucky. The demolition of Cork was put down to them being shite despite it being our best performance of the season. Then a similar result against Ros suddenly leapfrogs us ahead of Donegal in the rankings and gets us talked up to defeat a Dublin side wiping away all before them.

Thereís just such poor analysis of teams at present that it f**ks me off. Iíd look forward to us playing against Kerry, Galway, Monaghan on any pitch on any day but it just the way people donít realise how teams are trailing in Dublinís wake at the minute. Donegal played very little beneath themselves the last day and Dublin tore them up even allowing themselves to be sloppy in front of goal and loose with a few passes. They demolished Donegalís game plan but all media analysts can reach for us the ould ďah these dongeal boys didnít turn up.Ē

Tbf bar that first 5 minute burst, Tyrone never looked like beating Monaghan.

Promises to be a massive test for Tyrone, I'm not particularly impressed by any of the recent wins - I expected Tyrone to get to the Super 8's by hook or crook, that they have. The nature of the win over Roscommon however has got some people in Tyrone a little bit over excited I believe. It was a very high score against a team that surprisingly folded. Obviously Dublin don't do that sort of thing. Although they aren't exactly firing on all cylinders themselves right now.

Straight up, I don't see anyway in which Tyrone can beat Dublin - Omagh might not actually be to their advantage in this endeavour either as it's hardly been a fortress - Dublin will know well, and have arguably better players to do so with how Monaghan made the pitch so wide in the Ulster Championship game - this will be the first time since Monaghan this team has played a team on or above their level hence my caution despite the high scoring wins since (bar Meath).

It will take an almighty off day for Dublin for Tyrone to win, I don't think they have the aggression or physiques to go after the Dubs like Mayo have so that route is out, it's building up to a packed defence repeat of last summer, something which I'll need a few beers beforehand if so.  Dublin weren't brilliant against Donegal, missed plenty and still racked up 2-15. They'll make changes as well they can too.

Overall quite negative on Tyrone's chances here - still think it comes down to a shootout v Donegal in Ballybofey.

General discussion / Re: Ireland does Narcos
« on: July 11, 2018, 01:01:45 PM »
20+ years ago, there were plenty of people heading to the arena, exit 15, circus circus and other places were they could take their drugs of choice fairly openly.  These places don't really exist any more so people are doing it in their local pubs and are probably more noticeable.

Also, the security staff in a lot of these places would have had republican connection so to suggest that the IRA was responsible for keeping drugs out of rural tyrone is laughable.


Is most of the republican connection not out in Bulgaria these days..... :o :-X

General discussion / Re: Steroids
« on: July 10, 2018, 12:39:39 PM »
Most fellas in gyms are on some sort of steroid or pro-hormone, plus firing away at up to 10 tablets (fat burners) a day

Huge, huge generalisation. I go to the gym as much as anyone - never took a pro hormone in my life / nor a fat burner for that matter.

Depends what gym you're in!! If you go to a specialist weightlifting/bodybuilding gym there's a good chance there will be a few steroids flying around the place. The more generic gyms there will of course be a few meatheads but they would be the minority I would think!

Depends on the owners of the gyms - they usually set the tone, even then - bodybuilding is not necessarily one with steroids - there are natural bodybuilding competitions and well, the other type. I'm not exactly sure how they are defined by rules - presumably there is testing etc.

It's like everything in life, if you are into 'the look' and aren't involved in any kind of physical contact etc and say this substance helps you get there, go for it - work away and knock yourself out in my book. I don't really see an issue with steroid use for that particular role - but if you are a tube, you are a tube - roids never made you that way nor is it an excuse.

Steroids in sport is entirely different.

The new big craze is crossfit - think the fella finished 3rd in last years games OD'd and was caught and now all I hear about is how crossfitters are all juicing - I know quite a few go to local crossfit speciality gyms and they most certainly are not taking anything.

Most people that go to a gym regularly or have an interest in sports know the telltale signs, but I wouldn't say its an epidemic by any means - I'm sure there's plenty of men and women taking a bit of ephedrine or clenbuterol daily to keep lean, that'll be virtually unnoticeable to the common eye but put a lad in a tight white t-shirt with ridiculously overtrained biceps and you'll get your stereotype. The only difference might be the type of gym they train in or even the way they hold themselves which owes to a certain generalisation, doesn't mean they are taking roids.

General discussion / Re: Ireland does Narcos
« on: July 10, 2018, 12:25:45 PM »
Sadly, rural Tyrone is saturated by this poison among our young people. I have zero sympathy for any little toerag that ever indulges in the stuff. Aside from the decision to let themselves down by taking it, they are also letting down their families and their communities down, because drugs destroy these things. Anyone in rural mid-Tyrone will know of the stories of devastation that cocaine has brought to a number of families in recent times. And aside form letting down themselves and their families, they are also lining the pockets of drug dealing vermin. While it's great to have a peace process, it has to be acknowledged that in rural Republican areas like mid Tyrone, there was a proudly zero tolerance attitude to drug users and dealers, and people here grew up through those times proud to live in areas free from the poison. To any young person using cocaine - take a good f***ing look at yourself.

Was that the same republicans dealing the stuff out to the young people while adopting a zero tolerance attitude to their competition?

Was going to say that, plenty 'Ra men' would be dabbling in coke, and blow..

 plenty poison out there being sold to people thats legal! Drink and cigs cause as much death if not more that Coke! I suppose that's a different story

Completely agree, lets not forget that alcohol and tobacco are indeed drugs - they are just seen as morally acceptable drugs all the while they cause more deaths more than kind of illegal drug known to man. It's a strange set up. I've often heard ones talk about sc**bag druggies sipping on a pint, rarely bother to get into it to be honest.

General discussion / Re: Steroids
« on: July 10, 2018, 09:53:36 AM »
Most fellas in gyms are on some sort of steroid or pro-hormone, plus firing away at up to 10 tablets (fat burners) a day

Huge, huge generalisation. I go to the gym as much as anyone - never took a pro hormone in my life / nor a fat burner for that matter.

General discussion / Re: Ireland does Narcos
« on: July 09, 2018, 01:48:18 PM »
10 - 15 years ago along Queen Street, Castle Street and round Primark it was all young ones and their bags of glue, now itís Coke. Itís no coincidence that the biggest criminal law firms in the city also have their main offices there. Which came first I wonder? ;D. Seriously though itís a mental problem and I do get the idea of legalisation of it. The thing is though that legalisation doesnít mean that cheaper, dodgier and therefore illegal shit wonít be sold by the criminal gangs. Can you imagine Knee Breaker Billy having a legit Coke distribution shop on the Shankhill?

But would it be checked regulated and tested? Rather than the stuff people are getting now?

The heroin is far worse than the coke IMO, yes the coke is an easier drug and probably on the face of it more people using it but the heroin will just wipe people out after a while, your typical coke heads are young people, clubbers with a job! the Crack/heroin ones are generally skid row alcoholics or ex glue heads (or both) and seriously fucked up mentally, with poor family background and no support, other that the toe rags that are constanly making the heroin available to them..

Obviously there are ones from decent backgrounds and great families, but in the main thats what i see through Belfast.

Sad, seen a lad that was in school with me, lost to the world, couldn't recognise me when i tried to say hello

If it was regulated by the government at least there would be an immense taxation on it so some good could be made of it. Drugs are in, simply nothing you can do about them anymore - Ireland and most countries like it or not, consume and consume big.

I get Brokencrossbar1 point on there'll be those that undercut, i.e. criminal elements but surely if you have Product A for sale, 'clean' and legally bought at wherever they would have these clinics. There would be no need / less need for Product B sold by the Lithuanian lads the Sunday World seem to love calling "The Russians". Maybe I'm being too naive when it comes to cutting corners for costs?

Coke isn't really a "bad" drug....but that's why it's so dangerous, so easy to get hooked on a substance that really promotes a good time - lets be honest, that's why its so massive. If it wasn't, people wouldn't be mad for it all over the world, dare I say it - it's more of a social drug.

For the life of me I don't get why anyone would give Heroin / Crystal Meth etc a go - surely there must be that thought when you inject that for the first time that you know your life is on countdown from that moment on? But there again, maybe this is the problem - do people turn to that drug as their way out of life knowing what it will do? Is it calls for help that go too far? I'm really not too educated on heroin - to be honest the scenes of injection on trainspotting make me turn away sometimes  ;D

General discussion / Re: Ireland does Narcos
« on: July 09, 2018, 12:14:00 PM »
Seen / smelt a few ones cooking up heroin, presumably a few weeks ago in Belfast City Centre, literally yards from Castlecourt behind a few industrial bins. Saying that....anything past Primark going up Royal Ave to North Street in the city is away to the dogs altogether.

Dublin has always had the problem unfortunately but in saying that, last few times I've been down - have really seen nothing untoward wit regards to people on streets etc.

Coke doesn't have the effects that half the ones commenting here talk of, slumped over etc. Those lads are either on the Heroin and gone forever or messing about with drink and prescription substances. Mess altogether. You'd be safer on coke.

Agree with the GAA clubs drug of choice though,  - very little we can do to curb it at this stage. I've always been in favour of a legalised system, government regulated so at least it cuts the legs off criminal gangs which have a further and more depressing outreach in this country moreso than others.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: July 09, 2018, 11:18:20 AM »
Tyrone have got to where most realistic people thought they would. Cork offered little issues, they have badly fallen by the wayside in footballing terms unfortunately - however Tyrone will have expended little energy getting past them which will be a massive positive.

Now we'll see just what this team is made of. Has it improved? Has it regressed - further? AI Quarter Finals are the benchmark of serious teams, the Super 8s offer the chance over three games for teams to battle out for Semi's without excuses, anything can happen in a one off, over three games now you'll see just who the best teams are. Not enough points, you don't deserve to be in the All Ireland Semis.

I don't expect Tyrone to get out of the group to be honest, obviously Dublin will run away with it likely with 3 wins. Leaving the other 3 teams in a race to get 4 points. Can't see Tyrone getting anything out of Ballybofey but could see them beating Roscommon which would leave Donegal presumably as the other qualifier.

Would that be what most people think the group stage has in store? McBrearty is a massive loss to Donegal but with the game being away, I just fear for Tyrone there at a ground they've had big issues with.

All in all, going out of the Super 8s at this stage wouldn't be a surprise - however it will be the performances during the next phase that will really dictate how Tyrone are viewed from here.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: July 05, 2018, 05:06:02 PM »
Another incident caught on camera in Dromore last night. Dromore v Dungannon minor championship trouble on sideline and in wonder these things are happening all too frequently when nobody ever seems to get punished. And when they do a la Under 20 final the majority of people get off!

Correct course of action regardless of circumstances when a crowd becomes involved in an on field incident is that the pitch should be closed for a considerable period of time. Dromore has form and the only way they will ever cope on is if there are consequences .

The Rangers of Tyrone football.

I thought Coalisland played at Ibrox?

GAA Discussion / Re: Fawning over Mayo
« on: July 03, 2018, 02:09:02 PM »
Am I the only person thinks that, assuming the Mayo Club Championship will be in full slow / League resolved early. This could be the first break that a lot of these guys get for maybe 3/4 years?

They might not be done just yet....

Obviously logistical issues will mean they meander along in the league as they seem to normally do, but they suffered badly with injury this year, nobody bar Dublin could have coped. There might be more left in the tank after a bit of time off.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: July 03, 2018, 09:44:21 AM »
Cork are 3/1, find that extremely generous. Tyrone as pointed out prior, looked like a team out on their feet.

It was a hot day. Wouldn't read into it.

I didn't get the impression Tyrone were out on their feet at all. I thought we cruised away from Cavan towards the end after their good spell at the start of the second half and looked like we had another gear if required. Although it has been noticeable in the last two games that we have been slow to use our bench which is strange considering we are playing games week on week as well as the heat that these matches have been played in.

Are you not worried about facing a team (while coming off the back of a bad loss) has had a few weeks to freshen up, get the heads right and go again? It's only a matter of time I think until Tyrone completely buckle - I agree they looked as if they had another level v Cavan, but why remain so cautious even with the superior players, would it not have been in Tyrone's interest to explode out of the blocks and manage the game from there? (Best case scenario)

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: July 02, 2018, 05:25:55 PM »
Agreed that something needs to be done about reserve fixtures but I thought things this year, from what I've seen with my own club (Division 1), every fixture has been played thus far?

I don't think it's a coincidence that reserve championship was only played last week - for alot of teams, that essentially ended their season....into July, Belsonic, Holidays, Football's inevitable every year.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: July 02, 2018, 01:00:38 PM »
Cork are 3/1, find that extremely generous. Tyrone as pointed out prior, looked like a team out on their feet.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: July 02, 2018, 12:58:27 PM »
That all clubs on lockdown now until mid August ?

Assuming Tyrone beat Cork?

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