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Title: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on November 18, 2016, 01:47:15 AM
O' Moore Park must have got bigger since last year as it was said it wouldn't be big enough to accommodate all the Dublin supporters. This year it is deemed big enough because if Carlow beat Wexford they will play Dublin in O'Moore Park.....   ::)
 
REIGNING Leinster senior football champions Dublin will open the defence of the Delaney Cup at a provincial venue in 2017.
Either O’Moore Park or Innovate Wexford Park will be the setting when the Dubs begin a quest to win a record breaking seventh Leinster title in a row.
Wexford and Carlow meet in a first round tie at Netwatch Cullen Park on Sunday May 21 for the right to face Dublin in a quarter final, which will take place on Saturday or Sunday, 3rd or 4th June.
If Wexford win, they will have the added incentive of entertaining the Dubs at home in Wexford Park. Should Carlow triumph, the game will take place at O’Moore Park, Portlaoise because the capacity of Netwatch Cullen Park would be insufficient.
Last June the Dubs played a Leinster SFC tie outside of Croke Park for the first time in 10 years when they took on Laois in Kilkenny’s Nowlan Park.
A meeting of Comhairle Laighean last night agreed to keep Jim Gavin’s Dubs ‘on the road’ for their opening fixture of the 2017 campaign.
The potential for concerts taking place at Croke Park has been another factor in deliberating on where matches will be played next summer.
Leinster Senior Hurling Championship games will commence on Sunday, 23rd April with the first series of matches in the round robin section, which next year involves Laois, Westmeath, Meath and Kerry.
Kilkenny will begin the defence of the Bob O’Keeffe Cup in a semi-final tie versus Wexford or one of the qualifiers from the round-robin group.
The Leinster senior hurling final has been confirmed for Sunday, July 2 and the senior football decider has been fixed for Sunday, July 16 at Croke Park.
 


LEINSTER GAA SENIOR CHAMPIONSHIPS 2017

23rd April (Sunday)
Leinster SHC Round Robin  -  Round One
Meath v Kerry  - Pairc Tailteann, Navan
Laois v Westmeath – O’Moore Park, Portlaoise
 
30th April (Sunday)
Leinster SHC Round Robin  -  Round Two
Westmeath v Kerry – TEG Cusack Park, Mullingar
Meath v Laois – Pairc Tailteann, Navan
 
14th May (Sunday)
Leinster SHC Round Robin  -  Round Three
Westmeath v Meath – TEG Cusack Park, Mullingar
Kerry v Laois – Austin Stack Park, Tralee
 
21st May (Sunday)
Leinster SFC  -  Round One
Louth v Wicklow - Parnell Park, Dublin
Laois v Longford – O’Moore Park, Portlaoise
Carlow  v  Wexford – Netwatch Cullen Park
 
27th May (Saturday) /28th May (Sunday)
Leinster SHC Quarter Finals
Round Robin Team  v  Offaly
Round Robin Team  v  Wexford
Both Q-Finals are home games for round-robin teams except for Kerry - that Q-Final be played at a Leinster venue.
 
28th  May (Sunday)
Leinster SHC Quarter Final 
Galway  v  Dublin – O’Connor Park, Tullamore
 
3rd June (Saturday)
Leinster SFC Quarter Final
Kildare  v  Laois/Longford – O’Connor Pk, Tullamore
IF Meath v Louth – Parnell Park, Dublin
 
3rd June (Saturday) or 4th June (Sunday)
Leinster SFC Quarter Final
Carlow/Wexford v Dublin – O'Moore Pk, Portlaoise/Innovate Wexford Park
 
4th June (Sunday)
Leinster SFC Quarter Final
IF Meath v Wicklow – Aughrim
 
10th June (Saturday) / 11th June (Sunday)
Leinster SHC Semi Final   
Kilkenny   v   RR Team/Wexford -     /Wexford
Leinster SFC Quarter Final   
Offaly  v  Westmeath – O’Connor Park, Tullamore
 
17th June (Sat)/18th June (Sun)
Leinster SHC Semi Final 
Galway/Dublin  v  RR Team/Offaly – TBC
 
25th June (Sunday)
Leinster SFC Semi Finals (investigating the feasibility of moving
the Louth/Wicklow/Meath v Longford/Laois/Kildare S-Final to previous weekend)

 
2nd July (Sunday)
Leinster SHC & MHC Final
 
16th July (Sunday)
Leinster SFC & MFC Final
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BobbyBoucherJr on November 18, 2016, 10:53:13 AM
Leinster Council chairman John Horan has defended the decision to fix Dublin to play in Portlaoise next summer - despite previously ruling the venue unsuitable.
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Should Carlow beat Wexford in their 2017 championship opener, the All-Ireland champions will travel to O'Moore Park to start the defence of their Leinster Championship on June 3/4.
The decision piqued interest in Laois who were unhappy they weren't permitted to face the Dubs at their home venue last summer and instead travelled to Kilkenny's Nowlan Park.

But Horan explained that they took the "cautious" decision in moving that game to the province's second largest stadium.
Read more: On the road again: Dublin to be taken out of Croke Park for Leinster opener in 2017

"Last year (2016) we done it on the basis that we were going to the biggest venue to test it out, and we were taking a cautious step," he said.
"It hadn't been done in 10 years, the Dublin that's there now is a different Dublin that was there 10 years ago. They have four All-Irelands under their belt in that sense, so we felt that we had to take that cautious step last year and test the market and we tested the market.

"Now we feel we can take another step forward and spread the actual base that Dublin would use. You'd be talking about Wexford, Portlaoise and Tullamore as possible venues, but again it'll be reviewed every year and just see how it goes.
"If there are problems out of it this year, we'll obviously have to review them. But we had no problems last year, Kilkenny did a great job and there was a great atmosphere for anyone that was there."

Leinster took a small financial hit that weekend but Horan puts that down to the fact that their double-header was moved to Saturday night from Sunday due to a Bruce Springsteen concert. And he hinted the arrangement will remain in place for the foreseeable future.
"I think once we had taken the step to take Dublin out, I think going forward that it's a good idea," he said.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Andy06 on November 18, 2016, 12:37:02 PM
What utter BS!!
"We assumed that more people would come to Nowlan Park to line our pockets, as this didnt happen we are now willing to put matches elsewhere. Those expensive salaries of the upper GAA have to be paid somehow ya know!"

All seeded teams in the Quarter Finals should be made travel to their opponents home ground, it would level the playing field to some degree and give the weaker counties a sniff of a chance in most cases.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on November 18, 2016, 08:58:38 PM
Absolute rubish of the highest order.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Heshs Umpire on November 18, 2016, 09:15:25 PM
What a load of shite. Did Portlaoise magically get a bigger stand in the last few months to seat all those Dublin season ticket holders who can't be expected to stand at a game?
I hope that lying f***er gets no votes in his GAA president campaign.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: muppet on November 18, 2016, 11:28:12 PM
Lads, I reckon Nolan Park was used this year to prove its worth for the 2023 Rugby bid. Nothing else made sense then or makes sense now.





Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: seafoid on November 19, 2016, 01:04:46 AM
Trump has threatened to bomb Kilkenny back to the confederation days unless the County board takes football seriously. Trumps cabinet is full of hard core corned beef Irish American white nationalist alt right neoconservative Gaelic football purists.And they are determined to destroy Obama''s legacy including the black card and the GPA Obamacare plan. Even thought Trump is a fan of manliness he has reached the end of his tether with Cody and his contempt for the big ball.  Trump has offered Kilkenny positive coverage on Breitbart and for Thurles to  to be dissed as a kip across the dark Internet.  The Tipp lads think it is all above board but this is the post fact world lads.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on November 19, 2016, 09:07:59 AM
Trump has threatened to bomb Kilkenny back to the confederation days unless the County board takes football seriously. Trumps cabinet is full of hard core corned beef Irish American white nationalist alt right neoconservative Gaelic football purists.And they are determined to destroy Obama''s legacy including the black card and the GPA Obamacare plan. Even thought Trump is a fan of manliness he has reached the end of his tether with Cody and his contempt for the big ball.  Trump has offered Kilkenny positive coverage on Breitbart and for Thurles to  to be dissed as a kip across the dark Internet.  The Tipp lads think it is all above board but this is the post fact world lads.

Hard to argue with any of that.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 06, 2017, 12:38:06 AM
Just updating this thread as its almost here now. Didn't think we'd be going into our first game coming from a disastrous league showing but as they say, "we are where we are" and we have to get behind the lads now and try to salvage something from this year.
It's now more important than ever that we put in a few good performances in the championship because if moral falls any lower we could be in real trouble with lads not committing to the panel for our stint in Div.4.
We have to put everything into the Longford game and just playing Kildare will bring out the best in us, whether that will be good enough I don't know but we have to go out and give it everything.
I still think we have the ability to pull of at least one good performance so lets get behind the lads and give it a real good go....
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 06, 2017, 08:53:32 AM
Are we still going to field? Would not be as well just ask them to excuse us for this year maybe? That we're not feeling up to it, and we'll be back in 2018.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on April 06, 2017, 09:31:14 AM
It's hard to see anything other than a short summer.

If we manage to beat Longford our neighbours will do a number on us and as we've seen in recent years we have no appetite for the qualifiers. The lads will then have 4 or 5 weeks off before the start of the club championship.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 06, 2017, 10:00:27 AM
Are we still going to field? Would not be as well just ask them to excuse us for this year maybe? That we're not feeling up to it, and we'll be back in 2018.

I know you said that tongue in cheek, but it's about all that's left for us to do. We're closer to not fielding than we are to winning anything, so why not? I'd be the sort of person who would never enter into anything if you can't win it, and I think that attitude is already out there. I heard an interview with Johnny Magee earlier in the year, and he as good as said he was laughed at by Wicklow lads when he invited them in. I wonder if some of the lads who come in and out of our own panel don't feel the same? Let's call a spade a spade, Croke Park don't give a bollix about us. We could drop off the map and they'd be happy as long as Dublin and Kerry are around. Our own CB are probably waiting for the Leinster position to come up, so who is actually fighting our corner? You wouldn't put a boxer into a contest three divisions above his weight, and that essentially is what Leinster and the All Ireland series has become. Dublin's second team would undoubtedly beat us, so I have to wonder what are we even at. It'd be some craic to ring up Aogan O Monkeycrap or whatever his name is and say we're opting out for a few years to get the house in order. Fanciful maybe, but it might get a proper debate started. It's souls destroying dropping further and further down the ladder.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 06, 2017, 10:02:18 AM
Our CB is even more deluded than I thought if they think one of them is getting a Leinster position.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 06, 2017, 12:04:55 PM
I'm actually looking forward to the championship - based purely on the fact that surely it can't get any worse than the league and there's a small chance we'll perform.

We never have a chance of actually winning it, High Fielder. We're always at least a division below the heavyweights (and 2-3 behind them now). Even in 2003 - 2006 we never really challenged the real top teams when it mattered and didn't get beyond quarters.

I'm not into the whole waving the white flag business - I know most of what you're saying is in jest but I'm of the opinion that we have to do the best we can, regardless of who commits or injuries etc..

For sure, we might lose to Longford and then Leitrim in the qualifiers, but there's ALWAYS that small chance that we can pull something off. Much like the Monaghan game a few years back, the 2-12 to 0-12 (when we were written off completely or the match or Tyrone in 06 after being written off vs the dubs.

Sometimes when Laois are written off the most, we come out with the best displays (just look at recent matches of us vs Dublin - being the extreme underdog seems to bring out the best in Laois teams. Yes we lost to Dubs but the displays were never embarrassing - in fact we put it up to them for large spells.) And for that reason and the 10% chance that well do well, I'm looking forward to it. We expect the worst anyway. Something just tells me that when our injuried parties return and we (fingers crossed) have almost all fit and ready, and we get serious about the task ahead, that we might actually have an ok championship.

I wonder is there any chance of Cahir coming back this year. I know he said he's likely back in 2018 but we could really need him in FB line.

Brody,
Healy, Timmons, Booth.

Now there's a fb line you can set your watch to.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Clubber Lang on April 06, 2017, 12:56:46 PM
I have constantly questioned the commitment of a couple our county players who remained on the panel/team year in year out and never committed to doing the hard work on the field of tackling and sacrificing themselves to cover back, win dirty ball etc.. It's that determination to win and give it your all for your county that has been sadly lacking. Due to serous lack of competition for places over the years these lads have got away with it and been pampered to their whole careers. If pulled up on their lack of appetite/commitment/work-rate their response has been generally to tell management to f**k off. In their eyes they are never to blame when teams like Tipperary, Antrim, Clare outwork us and show more desire to win in championship games. Now that we have been relegated to Division 4, maybe some soul searching might finally take place and that these lads might realise what is needed in order to complete at this level and hopefully we will get some response come the championship. I have read a number of posters on this forum questioning why Healy commits to the hurlers over the footballers. The last two performances by our hurlers against Wexford and Kerry showed huge heart, commitment and desire-while they mightn't win a Leinster championship there is still huge satisfaction knowing that you as a team have given everything to the cause on the field of play. Could all our footballers say the same after Sunday's game. I'm probably being naive but surely these lads will want to restore some self pride and put in a respectable championship run.     
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 06, 2017, 01:10:36 PM
I don't know Clubber Lang.

I think if the heart wasn't there, why would they even show up for training for Laois.

It's a mighty commitment for anyone, even a single man without a family. You wouldn't do that unless you really wanted to play for the jersey.

As for work-rate. I do see work-rate, I just don't see amazing ability with some of our players.

Ability or lack of natural athleticism sometimes seems like lack of effort but I don't subscribe to that. Haven't you ever been in a match where you're trying your heart out but you're failing because you're not good enough?

Any time I see Carlow play for example, they always run their guts out but they're rarely successful due to ability and lack of natural talent. I think the big question of someone's desire to play for their county is giving 6-8 months of commitment in training when they could be doing something else.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 06, 2017, 01:40:57 PM
I couldn't agree more Clubber Lang. I think you've hit the nail on the head on a number of fronts there. Just because you do the training and wear the jersey does not make you committed or good enough. It's like the Celtic banner that was held up there a while back which said "The Celtic jersey has shrunk to fit inferior players". You can see the lads who leave every ounce on the pitch. I could count them on one hand last Sunday.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 07, 2017, 12:54:46 AM
I agree with Tony, these lads, simply by turning up for training have shown they are interested and committed to playing for Laois. I thought only two or three looked liked they didn't want to work hard to win last Sunday but the majority worked their socks off. The ability is still lacking in some of them but there were a lot of young players on the team and that game was as much a championship match as you are likely to see. We also had some walking wounded out there and lads just back from injury who were far from the required fitness levels.
I say give them time and then make up your mind about the management, players and the skill and commitment of all of them. We know most of the squad but Creedon is still learning about them and he's not going to do it all in his first year.


Having said that I cant see too many turning up for the game against Longford at these prices....

LEINSTER S.F.C.  – LAOIS V LONGFORD -  21ST MAY 2017
O’MOORE PARK, PORTLAOISE @ 3.00PM

GENERAL
Stand - €20
Terrace - €15

FAMILY TICKETS:-
1 Adult and 2 Juveniles etc.
Family Tickets are available for Stand
Stand:- Adults €20 Juveniles €5 each
1 Adult and 2 Juveniles etc.
Family Tickets are available for Terrace

Terrace:- Adults €15 Juveniles €5 each
Senior Citizens & Students (Stand & Terrace):- Purchase full price tickets and on the day of the match they can claim a rebate of  €5 (when they produce appropriate I.D. at Stiles No: 2 (Stand) and Stiles No:20 (Terrace) PRIOR TO ENTRY INTO THE STADIUM.

Wheelchair Tickets:-
The Wheelchair Tickets is free of charge and the Assistant's ticket is €20
GROUP PASSES:- GROUP PASSES (Under 16's) –  STAND/TERRACE
Groups Passes are provided for groups of Juveniles U-16 - €3 each (Terrace) & €5 (Stand) (you are permitted to bring 1 adult free with every ten Juveniles) any additional adults pay full price for their tickets.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 09, 2017, 07:36:58 PM
Great to see Kerry beat Dublin earlier. Can anyone in Leinster come close...Kildare?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 09, 2017, 09:14:15 PM
Dublin are fucked. Leinster is ours for the taking
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Helix on April 09, 2017, 09:17:53 PM
Dublin are fucked. Leinster is ours for the taking

That O'Byrne Cup win went to their heads 8).
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 10, 2017, 09:53:35 AM
Dublin are clearly in great shape but I think Kildare could get close to them. By close I mean 5 points or so. That's if they beat the mightly Laois or Longford along the way,
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 10, 2017, 09:58:37 AM
Dublin are clearly in great shape but I think Kildare could get close to them. By close I mean 5 points or so. That's if they beat the mightly Laois or Longford along the way,
I think we shouldn't get caught up focusing on the likes of Kildare or Longford, we should be working on the plan to take down Dublin this very week.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 10, 2017, 10:39:55 AM
Good man Don. Any opinions on the point or? This is the Leinster senior football forum. Do you have any opinion on if anyone can get close to Dublin in Leinster? Or you just going to troll all day. You're So funny; hilarious, Don trolling again, omg somebody stop me laughing  ;D
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 10, 2017, 10:43:58 AM
Good man Don. Any opinions on the point or? This is the Leinster senior football forum. Do you have any opinion on if anyone can get close to Dublin in Leinster? Or you just going to troll all day. You're So funny; hilarious, Don trolling again, omg somebody stop me laughing  ;D
Thanks, I put a lot of thought into that last one, its nice to be appreciated.

Any thoughts on why S&C expert CO'N is so heavy? Seems odd to me.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 10, 2017, 11:17:32 AM
We seem to be the only team that Kildare put away properly. They had so many chances yesterday and in general are very wasteful. Forwards wouldn't be up to much with the exception of Niall Kelly. Half back line and midfield work well too. No reason why they lost that one yesterday other than an inability at times to see it through. most of their problems seem to be mental. Maybe they should imagine the teams they are playing wear the blue and white. Seems to be their red rag.....

Dublin can win Leinster in second gear. Great thing about having a good team is that you can afford to let them down for a while now before working towards August. Kerry impressed but I still think the Dubs will win the big one.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Heshs Umpire on April 10, 2017, 10:09:55 PM
Kerry impressed but I still think the Dubs will win the big one.
So do I. That game yesterday, good and all as it was to look at, was still a league game.
McCaffrey, Small, Lowndes, Cooper, McManamon, O'Donoghue, Enright, Young, Donaghy, Buckley all missing and probably a few more I've forgotten.
September is what counts - no-one remembers league titles (particularly in Kerry!).
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on April 10, 2017, 10:26:10 PM
Kerry impressed but I still think the Dubs will win the big one.
So do I. That game yesterday, good and all as it was to look at, was still a league game.
McCaffrey, Small, Lowndes, Cooper, McManamon, O'Donoghue, Enright, Young, Donaghy, Buckley all missing and probably a few more I've forgotten.
September is what counts - no-one remembers league titles (particularly in Kerry!).


I think this league meant the world to Kerry

Reactions at the end said it all
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Heshs Umpire on April 10, 2017, 10:37:02 PM
Kerry impressed but I still think the Dubs will win the big one.
So do I. That game yesterday, good and all as it was to look at, was still a league game.
McCaffrey, Small, Lowndes, Cooper, McManamon, O'Donoghue, Enright, Young, Donaghy, Buckley all missing and probably a few more I've forgotten.
September is what counts - no-one remembers league titles (particularly in Kerry!).


I think this league meant the world to Kerry

Reactions at the end said it all

I think it was beating Dublin they were getting a bit excited about - the league title was almost secondary to that.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 11, 2017, 10:11:37 PM
Yeah, Bomber Liston was on the radio yesterday and articulated himself well. Kerry were celebrating mostly because they beat Dublin as they've come close over the last few years but couldn't get over the line. This will be a big psychological boost for them. The league title was secondary. Kerry have some nice younger footballers coming through, too. Themselves, Mayo, Donegal and Dublin are the only teams who can win the whole job.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on April 12, 2017, 01:42:30 PM
Word is training has stepped up a notch and Creedon has got a lot harder on the lads(maybe realising the soft mearsured approach hadn't worked) but they are responding well and the vibe is up beat ..To quote a player "we were on the floor the first tuesday after the Offaly game and even the next session was torture with hardly a word spoken among the lads but the last week has been good hard very hard but good."

Everybody still involved and rumor of a few coming back as well ...I'm presuming its lads that left of were let go from the panel earlier in the year?Maybe Farrell Hanrahan?

They have a friendly game lined up next week I heard as well.


Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 12, 2017, 09:19:57 PM
Any thoughts on why S&C expert CO'N is so heavy? Seems odd to me.

Classic ;D
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 12, 2017, 10:18:41 PM
Any word on Mark Timmons unlaoised? I heard he was expected back for may/June but that was the last I heard in March.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 12, 2017, 11:58:56 PM
Any word on Mark Timmons unlaoised? I heard he was expected back for may/June but that was the last I heard in March.

Mark was in the Graiguecullen squad last Sunday against St. Joseph's but didn't get a run.
He was out kicking the ball around at half time and looked a bit stiff but in reasonable shape..
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Behindthefence on April 13, 2017, 12:26:22 AM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on April 13, 2017, 08:47:55 AM
Any word on Mark Timmons unlaoised? I heard he was expected back for may/June but that was the last I heard in March.
He's back doing light training with Laois. I'd imagine he's a non runner for the Longford game - he'd be too far off the pace.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 13, 2017, 09:07:34 AM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
That'd explain it so. He was doing fierce traveling there for a while.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on April 13, 2017, 02:56:19 PM
Any word on Mark Timmons unlaoised? I heard he was expected back for may/June but that was the last I heard in March.

Back doing a light bit in training hopes to step it up a bit in the coming weeks but its early to say if he will be available for a few weeks yet.

Will Prob play a club game first to try it out but at least he is back on the field and in around the squad which gives a boost to everyone as he is well liked and respected by young and old in the panel!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on April 13, 2017, 09:36:38 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on April 16, 2017, 02:12:37 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.

I think it was required. Don had a fit a few weeks ago, when someone mistyped "artistic" as "austistic".

Yet, he seems happy enough to throw jibes at others, when he feels like it.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 16, 2017, 03:04:55 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.

I think it was required. Don had a fit a few weeks ago, when someone mistyped "artistic" as "austistic".

Yet, he seems happy enough to throw jibes at others, when he feels like it.
Odd use of the phrase fit and autistic in that context. It was a valid query given the use of the term autistic at the time in question. The OP had no issue with explaining himself in due course.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on April 16, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.

I think it was required. Don had a fit a few weeks ago, when someone mistyped "artistic" as "austistic".

Yet, he seems happy enough to throw jibes at others, when he feels like it.
Spot on....attention seeking elf comes to mind
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 16, 2017, 03:38:01 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.

I think it was required. Don had a fit a few weeks ago, when someone mistyped "artistic" as "austistic".

Yet, he seems happy enough to throw jibes at others, when he feels like it.
Spot on....attention seeking elf comes to mind
You've really hurt my feelings there. You cut me real deep Shrek.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 16, 2017, 03:57:27 PM
An apology is too classy for you don? That's what I hate about anon forums. If you said that in person to any of his friends or family you'd get a lovely smack in the mouth.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on April 16, 2017, 04:58:57 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.

I think it was required. Don had a fit a few weeks ago, when someone mistyped "artistic" as "austistic".

Yet, he seems happy enough to throw jibes at others, when he feels like it.
Spot on....attention seeking elf comes to mind
You've really hurt my feelings there. You cut me real deep Shrek.
Your welcome Thelonious .
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 16, 2017, 05:06:14 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.

I think it was required. Don had a fit a few weeks ago, when someone mistyped "artistic" as "austistic".

Yet, he seems happy enough to throw jibes at others, when he feels like it.
Spot on....attention seeking elf comes to mind
You've really hurt my feelings there. You cut me real deep Shrek.
Your welcome Thelonious .
"Don't blame me" is a great track. RIP Monk.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on April 17, 2017, 04:49:41 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.

I think it was required. Don had a fit a few weeks ago, when someone mistyped "artistic" as "austistic".

Yet, he seems happy enough to throw jibes at others, when he feels like it.
Odd use of the phrase fit and autistic in that context. It was a valid query given the use of the term autistic at the time in question. The OP had no issue with explaining himself in due course.

You're reading things into posts that aren't there Donny boy.

Anyway, my post was clearly directed at your hypocrisy and not the other poster's apology, which you seem to think vindicates your original objection. However, it's your subsequent post, sneering at someone's weight, that de-bases your level of butt-hurt at the 'autistic' typo.

I, myself, will reserve the right to call anyone autistic, artistic, hypocritical or whatever. If you don't like one area of society referenced in a post, don't single anyone else out for cheap laughs in your own.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on April 17, 2017, 07:42:48 PM
Back to topic in hand ...

Laois played a v b game at the weekend anyone here how players went
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 17, 2017, 10:29:54 PM
S & C expert C O' N as you put it Don had a very bad car accident a few years ago and had two discs removed from his back. I would imagine that would impact on his ability to exercise
Personally i wouldnt have bothered giving the question/remark an answer.

I think it was required. Don had a fit a few weeks ago, when someone mistyped "artistic" as "austistic".

Yet, he seems happy enough to throw jibes at others, when he feels like it.
Odd use of the phrase fit and autistic in that context. It was a valid query given the use of the term autistic at the time in question. The OP had no issue with explaining himself in due course.

You're reading things into posts that aren't there Donny boy.

Anyway, my post was clearly directed at your hypocrisy and not the other poster's apology, which you seem to think vindicates your original objection. However, it's your subsequent post, sneering at someone's weight, that de-bases your level of butt-hurt at the 'autistic' typo.

I, myself, will reserve the right to call anyone autistic, artistic, hypocritical or whatever. If you don't like one area of society referenced in a post, don't single anyone else out for cheap laughs in your own.
I find it disconcerting that you would see it to be ok to use Autistic as a term of abuse or amusement at such, but hey, its the internet, knock yourself out.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 17, 2017, 10:30:28 PM
Back to topic in hand ...

Laois played a v b game at the weekend anyone here how players went
All things considered, the fact that we have a B team is positive news at least.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 18, 2017, 04:08:27 PM
Any thoughts on why S&C expert CO'N is so heavy? Seems odd to me.
Are you seriously not going to apologise for that? Where's Ed when you need him. Disgraceful stuff about a well liked and respected gent.

In relation to Laois, bumped into a panel member over Easter. Things positive in the camp all things considered but still a lot of injuries not cleared up. Apparently VERY heavy going also. Looking back at games in the McNulty era, or even MO'D / Kearns era, we looked in far better condition and fitter compared to last few seasons. We're out of shape this season also, I doubt a heavy April is going to get us up to required speed in May but here we are. Season looks a write off but hoping for the minor chance that we can do something half decent in Summer. Apparently also Timmons has been doing other forms of training for last 2 months to keep up his cardio fitness / strength conditioning so he's likely not too far off the pace, just not at all match fit. He'll get some game time in challenge matches before Longford. We'll need him.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 18, 2017, 04:12:05 PM
Any thoughts on why S&C expert CO'N is so heavy? Seems odd to me.
Are you seriously not going to apologise for that? Where's Ed when you need him. Disgraceful stuff about a well liked and respected gent.

In relation to Laois, bumped into a panel member over Easter. Things positive in the camp all things considered but still a lot of injuries not cleared up. Apparently VERY heavy going also. Looking back at games in the McNulty era, or even MO'D / Kearns era, we looked in far better condition and fitter compared to last few seasons. We're out of shape this season also, I doubt a heavy April is going to get us up to required speed in May but here we are. Season looks a write off but hoping for the minor chance that we can do something half decent in Summer. Apparently also Timmons has been doing other forms of training for last 2 months to keep up his cardio fitness / strength conditioning so he's likely not too far off the pace, just not at all match fit. He'll get some game time in challenge matches before Longford. We'll need him.

I wonder are they working on defending and tackling!

No amount of heavy work is going to put pace into the team.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 18, 2017, 04:23:30 PM
Any thoughts on why S&C expert CO'N is so heavy? Seems odd to me.
Are you seriously not going to apologise for that? Where's Ed when you need him. Disgraceful stuff about a well liked and respected gent.

In relation to Laois, bumped into a panel member over Easter. Things positive in the camp all things considered but still a lot of injuries not cleared up. Apparently VERY heavy going also. Looking back at games in the McNulty era, or even MO'D / Kearns era, we looked in far better condition and fitter compared to last few seasons. We're out of shape this season also, I doubt a heavy April is going to get us up to required speed in May but here we are. Season looks a write off but hoping for the minor chance that we can do something half decent in Summer. Apparently also Timmons has been doing other forms of training for last 2 months to keep up his cardio fitness / strength conditioning so he's likely not too far off the pace, just not at all match fit. He'll get some game time in challenge matches before Longford. We'll need him.

I wonder are they working on defending and tackling!

No amount of heavy work is going to put pace into the team.
Fitness work sadly lacking, 2 years in a row written off. Talk of needing Timmons, Mark is a great servant, but by the sounds of it Tommy Murphy will be needed at this rate.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Clubber Lang on April 18, 2017, 07:11:28 PM
I was hoping that some of Laois' poor league performances were down to them being heavy-legged due to putting in serious training sessions between league games but that it would ultimately pay off come the Summer. Sadly that's not the case and it's worrying to hear that they only stepping up training now. It might pay dividends but it feels like a last roll of the dice from the management in the hope that something positive will come of it.

Great to have a player of Timmons caliber back playing. One of few true leaders that we have. Realistically, he's not going to be 100% by the Summer but even at 80% would be well worth his place. I think management need to work on tweeking the zonal approach to defending that Laois teams seem to have adopted the last number of years-players happy enough to 'be in their zone' rather than fighting tooth and nail to win the ball ahead of their opponent and making life as difficult as possible for their direct opponent. I'd be happy if our backs put 100% concentration into defending/winning ball as opposed to making runs up the field and constantly looking to get on ball and provide a score. Too often when attacks break down (which they often do) we are left totally exposed on the counter attack and provide our opposition with too much space and room to run in to. We have a talented full-forward line in Kingston, O'Carroll and Walsh. Let's get the ball in to them quick and early and see what they can produce rather than having our half-backs/midfield carrying the ball up the field and allowing the opposition funnel back players who ultimately crowd out and break down our attacks. Kerry provided a blue print against Dublin of what can be achieved by moving ball quickly into your chief score getters.         
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on April 18, 2017, 08:40:14 PM
I was hoping that some of Laois' poor league performances were down to them being heavy-legged due to putting in serious training sessions between league games but that it would ultimately pay off come the Summer. Sadly that's not the case and it's worrying to hear that they only stepping up training now. It might pay dividends but it feels like a last roll of the dice from the management in the hope that something positive will come of it.

Great to have a player of Timmons caliber back playing. One of few true leaders that we have. Realistically, he's not going to be 100% by the Summer but even at 80% would be well worth his place. I think management need to work on tweeking the zonal approach to defending that Laois teams seem to have adopted the last number of years-players happy enough to 'be in their zone' rather than fighting tooth and nail to win the ball ahead of their opponent and making life as difficult as possible for their direct opponent. I'd be happy if our backs put 100% concentration into defending/winning ball as opposed to making runs up the field and constantly looking to get on ball and provide a score. Too often when attacks break down (which they often do) we are left totally exposed on the counter attack and provide our opposition with too much space and room to run in to. We have a talented full-forward line in Kingston, O'Carroll and Walsh. Let's get the ball in to them quick and early and see what they can produce rather than having our half-backs/midfield carrying the ball up the field and allowing the opposition funnel back players who ultimately crowd out and break down our attacks. Kerry provided a blue print against Dublin of what can be achieved by moving ball quickly into your chief score getters.         

It's Laois we're taking about here, we don't do defending, we love our wing backs to bomb forward.
This defending thing is for much lesser counties, you do realise a manager was hauled before an EGM not so long ago for attempting such heresy.
Seriously we had some notions back then" bullocks notions" perhaps but non the less we had notions.
What's real is we don't do defending that's now part of our culture.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unison on April 19, 2017, 10:18:08 AM
How can a well paid team manager, justify only now getting his team fit? What was he doing all winter? What is he being paid for?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 19, 2017, 02:26:57 PM
How can a well paid team manager, justify only now getting his team fit? What was he doing all winter? What is he being paid for?

Working on discipline  :D
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 19, 2017, 06:00:08 PM
It takes more than a few months to get proper fit, you absolute donkeys.

 :)

Creedon was dealt a very poor hand, not sure why you can't see that. He doesn't have a magic wand - our players have been out of shape / not fit enough since we kicked Justin McNulty out. You can't get back to that shape in a few months.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 19, 2017, 10:11:14 PM
Not a happy camp in there at the minute,,,,our players are treating it like a club team and have been all year
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 19, 2017, 10:41:30 PM
It takes more than a few months to get proper fit, you absolute donkeys.

What are you basing this on?
The more you post here the more obvious it is that you know absolutely NOTHING about team preparation, management responsibilities, management function and a whole host of other things that are intrinsic to preparation and performance.

Laois are training since last November (I assume?).
You have seen more of Laois than I have this year. It is who claim they are not fit enough. What excuse is there for this? His own backroom team, county board support and the new pitches beside O' Moore Park.

Watch the "donkey" talk. You don't seem particularly knowledgeable in the area you are trying to hold court in.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: les Antiques on April 20, 2017, 12:08:10 AM
What I am hearing is that things are not going well at all at the moment . Training has changed but there is a distinct lack of professionalism to the set up and lot of players are just going through the motions which is disappointing to hear.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 20, 2017, 07:56:40 AM
It takes more than a few months to get proper fit, you absolute donkeys.

What are you basing this on?
The more you post here the more obvious it is that you know absolutely NOTHING about team preparation, management responsibilities, management function and a whole host of other things that are intrinsic to preparation and performance.

Laois are training since last November (I assume?).
You have seen more of Laois than I have this year. It is who claim they are not fit enough. What excuse is there for this? His own backroom team, county board support and the new pitches beside O' Moore Park.

Watch the "donkey" talk. You don't seem particularly knowledgeable in the area you are trying to hold court in.
What you're doing is just copying what others have posted and taking that as fact. "Oh they've upped the training in April so that means they weren't training properly before that". That is false. For Laois to make a right go of this season, we'd need to have a very good base fitness coming into the season. That was not present. Do you think Dublin, Mayo or Donegal lads or the top 8-12 counties came into December as unfit as our lads? Course not. It's just the culture in smaller unsuccessful counties. Not the players fault but to blame Creedon exposes your ignorance on the topic. Fitness = cardio, strength and conditioning. These can be improved in a few months but it takes YEARS to build up the levels that the top 8 - 12 teams in the country have. We're way off that required level but it seems that your only answer for that is Creedon. My opinion is that some posters are not looking at the whole picture and basing their opinion on a few posts on a forum.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Giovanni on April 20, 2017, 10:21:42 AM
As a matter of interest, how many years do you think it takes to achieve inter-county fitness levels?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 20, 2017, 12:55:42 PM
Tony, are you Peter Creedon or a member of the committee that appointed him?

When he was appointed we were being told by posters on here that he was here to save the day.
It just about stopped short of "he knows everything- long live Peter".

Now the excuses have rolled since.
1) Players out injured
2) We are not good enough anyways
3) Players being stupid and getting sent off (and again....and again)
4) Division 4 is about our level anyways
5) They are not fit because of the last two managers.
6) Leave him alone, you're so mean to Peter. I like Peter. Peter is lovely.

As a matter of interest what championship games did we lose last year because the other team were fitter than us?
We didn't look any less fit than Armagh for example last July. (peak season for both Armagh and Laois). So if McGeeney is as thorough in his preparations and particularly in terms of fitness as we think he is, and we didn't look any less fit than Armagh last July.......it sounds like our fitness side of things weren't exactly disastrous last year.
Creedon wasn't coming in to Fat Club or to try and coach the Underdogs to play Kerry.

What you're doing is just copying what others have posted and taking that as fact. "Oh they've upped the training in April so that means they weren't training properly before that". That is false.
I think you will find that you are the only poster that I referenced in my post- and your assertion that Laois are not fit enough. Unless of course you are saying that what you posted is "false"?

Fitness = cardio, strength and conditioning. These can be improved in a few months but it takes YEARS to build up the levels that the top 8 - 12 teams in the country have. We're way off that required level but it seems that your only answer for that is Creedon.

2 things.
1) I think you will find that I used the term "preparation" and not the term "fitness".There is a whole lot more to this than "fitness".
2) Why are you talking about the top 8-12 teams in the country? All we had to do was be as "fit" and well prepared as teams 20 & 21- in this years league Offaly and Longford- hardly powerhouses. Along with Louth, Antrim and Sligo they didn't exactly kick until late August in 2016. They haven't exactly been renowned for their incredible fitness levels for the past 3 years. What fantastic base did Colin Kelly have to work with in Louth? Or Pat Flanagan in Offaly?
NOBODY is asking for Laois to suddenly be as "fit" and well prepared as the top 8-12 teams. Stop deflecting.

but it seems that your only answer for that is Creedon.

Wrong, again. I have never stated that the only problem is Creedon. BUT the failings of this management team are at some stage going to have to be accepted for what they are.
How long more can everything be the fault of TOF and ML?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 20, 2017, 08:57:43 PM
Let's forget about Creedon for now.

The players aren't there. Simple as. We were exposed in the league as we've no strength in depth especially with the injuries. The seagulls in the sky could see that. Could you not see it? As you say I guess, you were hardly at any matches.

And yeah I was one of those delighted that Creedon got the job last autumn. But with this league and the last 10 seasons of poor performances : I finally realised: you know what, the players are not there in Laois at the moment and everyone knows we weren't helped with injuries. Division 3 is about our standard. When will you realise that too Keyser? Took me a while I must admit. And we don't have any beanos or joe higgins or tom kellys coming through can't you see that also? Creedon is irrelevant. He's doing the same job as the next man would. We are just not good and Jim Gavin wouldn't have us much better.

Still, on a positive note: I genuinely believe that even if your players have the ability of an average Junior B side, if they're trying their best, it's always a joy to support them win or lose. We'll likely just have to get used to the latter in the next 5 years anyway. Quite a lot of it I'd say.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 20, 2017, 09:28:29 PM
Let's forget about Creedon for now.

The players aren't there. Simple as. We were exposed in the league as we've no strength in depth especially with the injuries. The seagulls in the sky could see that. Could you not see it? As you say I guess, you were hardly at any matches.

And yeah I was one of those delighted that Creedon got the job last autumn. But with this league and the last 10 seasons of poor performances : I finally realised: you know what, the players are not there in Laois at the moment and everyone knows we weren't helped with injuries. Division 3 is about our standard. When will you realise that too Keyser? Took me a while I must admit. And we don't have any beanos or joe higgins or tom kellys coming through can't you see that also? Creedon is irrelevant. He's doing the same job as the next man would. We are just not good and Jim Gavin wouldn't have us much better.

Still, on a positive note: I genuinely believe that even if your players have the ability of an average Junior B side, if they're trying their best, it's always a joy to support them win or lose. We'll likely just have to get used to the latter in the next 5 years anyway. Quite a lot of it I'd say.

You just don't get it.
I give up.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on April 20, 2017, 10:47:34 PM
Depressing  if thats true about the players going thru the motions.

No matter what the level of ability in the squad the least they deserve is a  professional setup.

Very disappointing to hear . . .
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 20, 2017, 11:24:20 PM
Depressing  if thats true about the players going thru the motions.

No matter what the level of ability in the squad the least they deserve is a  professional setup.

Very disappointing to hear . . .

Don't believe all you hear.....
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 21, 2017, 10:08:01 AM
Hearsay is annoying.

The players DID NOT say "We're going through the motions".

You heard that quote interpretation from a poster who was talking to someone who knew a lad who knew a player once.

Take that quote with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 21, 2017, 10:22:53 AM
keyser soze some great points i think you are showing up tony here,,his lack of gaa knowledge def comming to the fore
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 21, 2017, 10:55:18 AM
This forum has become so ridiculously puerile. Really miss the Laoistalk forum which had editorial control to put managers on people.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on April 21, 2017, 11:25:51 AM
Unfortunately the forum cannot be self moderated but I would agree with you some of the posts are getting very childish which takes from decent discussion on the subject.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on April 21, 2017, 12:04:07 PM
This forum has become so ridiculously puerile. Really miss the Laoistalk forum which had editorial control to put managers on people.

Ye, Hogan Standish
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 21, 2017, 01:30:09 PM
Lads can't accept we're not good enough - at all levels. We do things particularly badly in Laois and we are where we are because of it. Whose precise fault it is remains unclear. I personally think everyone should shoulder some of the blame - even supporters, who have shown that they don't care. Maybe Peter Creedon is no good. I don't know enough about his methods to say that with certainty. I do know our players fairly well, and I don't think they are good enough. I don't think some of them are anywhere near county standard, and are only there because others don't fancy it. As for going through the motions, you'd wonder at any lad who commits time to a county panel and then swans about. Going back to Tullamore, I walked away thinking that a lad who did no training could be as effective as some of them who played. That's nothing to do with training. That's a lack of effort. Time to face the undeniable facts. Nobody wants to coach a very ordinary panel of footballers in a county where so many lads (be they on the panel or otherwise) don't put in the required effort. And, because nobody wants to coach a panel of ordinary footballers in a county where nobody gives a shite any more, you can't expect too much.

We are a patchwork quilt of a football team just now. So many lads out of position and so many lads not good enough. To me, they are beyond criticism. I can see the problems with my own two eyes. Young James Kelly and Strong got run over the entire league, targeted and passed on countless occasions. They are not corner backs. Hanrahan, Kehoe, Seale and Healy are. Problems that can't be fixed by Creedon. Square pegs in round holes.Not our only problem, but certainly one of our biggest. Creedon might be a problem, and again I can't say that with certainty, but he has what he has, and in my opinion he hasn't got what he should have, and what he does have, is not good enough.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 21, 2017, 04:46:36 PM
I don't think we are Div 1 team, but we certainly have the players to be mid table Div 2.  This is the sort of bollox talk of crap management in any business, or team.   I am not saying we would beat Kerry but we certainly have the players to beat Offaly, Antrim or Sligo.  It's childish that we pointed out the manager was a joke even before he started, but it is not childish to in the face of bare faced logic stand behind this farce.   
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 21, 2017, 05:35:23 PM
I just posted the names of four corner backs who have been replaced by half backs at best. Analyse the thing properly instead of spouting this half baked crap about being a division two team. We're not the f**king colour of it apart from when you're dreaming.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on April 21, 2017, 06:03:53 PM
You need good corner backs. Would we have won anything without the likes of Joe and Aidan Fennelly in the corners?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 21, 2017, 06:22:22 PM
You need players playing in their natural position at the very least. You also need the best available person in each position. Lads on here don't care about the turnover of players or injuries and availability. They keep peddling this ridiculous notion that we can suck it up. Well here's the headline. We can't. Ballyroan saying we're Division 2 is the cherry. Even his own man McMahon is a long way shy of what's needed these days. Sad but true. Can we blame Peter Creedon for a lad getting older too? Dung. Absolute dung
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 21, 2017, 07:44:27 PM
Unbelievable, from the very beginning I said this management choice was uninspired it turned out even worse.  At the beginning I was called an idiot and stupid.  So we are back full circle again I am an idiot and stupid, however I will say it now our players and clubs are no worse than 24 other counties.   We continually knock our own, be it managers or players.   We bring in clowns, pay them and then are shocked when it goes wrong.  Peter Creedon will have no success in Laois because he is a moderate, uninspired choice who has little knowledge of Laois football.   This county is a political minefield I said months ago that Creedon would get us relegated and even after relegation things will get worse.  This county is afraid of doing the right thing.  If you think knocking McMahon is the thing to do go right ahead,  I never said he had a divine right to be on the county team.   We would gladly have him back in Ballyroan where he is appreciated.   
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 21, 2017, 08:47:29 PM
I didn't knock the lad. He doesn't have the legs he once had. Neither do I. Just a fact of life. Nobody's fault, and of course I appreciate his commitment.

As for your ridiculous overrating of Laois football, I'll forgive your obvious bias. Your own club couldn't beat a one man team last year in the Championship. It is low grade football played in the main by poor footballers and poor teams. Start being realistic. If it was as good as all that, and let us suppose Peter Creedon was the class clown, we still wouldn't be in Division 4. There's much more to all this than the Senior management.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 22, 2017, 08:43:01 AM
I think you will find quite a few County Teams had trouble with him too.


Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 22, 2017, 11:38:07 AM
Nobody who is anybody wanted the Laois job Ballyroan. I think you know that. Nobody in Laois has the CV to get the job. I think you know that too. I don't know what your expectations are built on, but to me you can't see the glaringly obvious. A lot of the players on the panel are not good enough. Analyse the games. Look at the fault lines. Don't be as naive to say we have 15 players , we are Laois and I expect better. It doesn't work like that. We're more than a good senior coach away from turning the corner.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 22, 2017, 11:55:46 AM
I do think the players we have are talented enough to be knocking around Div 2,  Laois Football is no longer at a crossroads it's actually quite abit down the road to a desperate state.  At the core of this is the County Board & The Clubs.  Like it or lump we are not professional in our business (it's not easy when you are depending on volunteers).  I am with you on we cannot afford a huge Hollywood type manager but we could of went down the road of creating one.  We need inspiration and what's going on is a a never ending circle of downward performance.   We don't have a strategy or hope to take us out of this we are just waiting for it to happen.  Unfortunately as I get older this just does not happen you have to make it happen.  My thoughts on getting one of our own Club Managers to take the team is A) They are cheaper B) They know the task they face & C) One of them may just be the man.  This in turn would "hopefully pick up performances" leading to improvements off the pitch.  Maybe it's a fairy tale but I gasp in horror with the hurlers celebrating beating Kerry (should be a matter of fact) and the footballers heading for likewise scenario's.  I happened upon this article from 2009 this morning it was interesting.

ends
   
What happened the promising Laois minors?

Quote:
Laois kids' futures all in the past

They never built on their massive underage success and now there are too many egos and not enough honest effort to haul them to the top
Ewan MacKenna

Whitewash: Laois's 15-point defeat against Kildare in the Leinster SFC semi-final was one in a series of heavy losses they have suffered this year Back in 2005, as Laois made their way to Croke Park for an All Ireland quarter-final against Armagh, the first enemy outpost they reached was Athy. There was no hiding the fact either. The south Kildare town was draped with election-style posters, each one reading "Ulster Says No To The Queen's County". They were the work of one local man who'd spent dawn on a rickety stepladder but they encapsulated the sentiments of many in Kildare. There was a jealousy and bitterness that came from not just how well their rivals are doing, but how successful they could be.

Just four years on and Laois should be in a stronger position still, yet all that's left is the wreckage from last Saturday's Leinster semi-final against Kildare and there is very little to salvage from that. As good as their one provincial title and handful of years challenging as a top-eight team were, this is an underage superpower now acting like an irritating rogue state. Since 1996 they have won three All Ireland minor titles. That's more than Dublin, Galway, Mayo, Cork, Kerry and Armagh combined and only Tyrone have achieved more. They've won six Leinster minor titles in that same period too and have won three provincial under-21 titles since 1998.

Yet 40 minutes into last Saturday's clash with Kildare, Laois fans were deserting O'Connor Park and with all that has gone on, the side are in danger of being known as the Queens' County.

It's not a new phenomenon either. In fact it's the fourth time Laois have been embarrassed this year. Bernard Flynn may have talked about the ferocity of a training session he witnessed in the build-up to the game but that masked a side packed with too many egos and that had already been blitzed by Kildare, Monaghan and Cork in the league by an average of 12 points.

The problem is rooted in the past and it's developed into a culture of arrogance that's gone on too long to change. Mick O'Dwyer recently said of the side in this confession box, "He [Fergal Byron] was speaking from his heart because he gave me a wonderful commitment while I was there. Others couldn't say that. There was marvellous material in Laois but they were never as willing to give the same commitment as I got in Kildare. They didn't have the commitment or the same drive." But others there during O'Dwyer's four-year stint put that down as an understatement.

"Micko didn't care after a while because there was nothing he could do about what was going on," says a source familiar with what went on at the time. "But in Kildare guys would run up mountains for that man just because he said so. In Laois they needed explanations. Now that wasn't all of them but there were boys there who would fake injury during laps just to get out of them. All the talent in the world and most of it wasted in that place."

During O'Dwyer's final year, the most successful manager of them all was questioned by a side with just a single provincial title to their name. They ridiculed his methods, demanded change and modernisation and got the beating of a lifetime against Dublin. They didn't learn from that either though because O'Dwyer was far from the only manager to suffer at their hands. When Liam Kearns came to the county in 2007, it was to move forward a career that had seen him take Limerick to the brink of a Munster title. But there was a stage when he couldn't even find a player able to captain Laois. Ross Munnelly was said to be too selfish on the ball, Joe Higgins and Tom Kelly didn't show up for the league and after that there was a void when it came to finding a leader.

And Kearns faced far more startling problems than finding a recipient for an armband. Two players in the side had tried to move towards professionalism, refusing to play for Laois until they were sponsored to do so. What had once been ripe and vibrant was rotten to the core. A member of the Laois set-up at the time who wishes to remain nameless takes it further.

"They were put on a pedestal in Laois after winning those minor titles. If you go in to a pub there are pictures on the wall, there's someone there to buy them a pint and remind them of when they won underage All Irelands. You get that respect for winning senior titles in other counties. And they are making the same mistakes. Before it was Beano and Munnelly, now it's Donie Kingston and Tierney who are elevated too high. Some young guys go into the dressing room and think they rule it. The older guys never put them in their place. No leadership. It's gone too far in Laois and there's no going back. Mentally it's frightening just how weak they are."

Even current manager Seán Dempsey has experienced it and he's only in his first year. A former under-21 manager who dropped Donie Brennan before a 2006 All Ireland semi-final, he was forced to do it again this season officially for alcohol-related breaches of discipline but unofficially for a lack of effort in training. Yet within days, Brennan's club manager Nicky McGrath wrote to a local paper. "If this is correct then I would suggest that at least 50 per cent of the panel should have been dropped," he said.

It's not a coincidence that the only times Laois managed to act as a normal group of footballers were in '03 and '05, the year they captured Leinster and the year they peaked. Since then things have been out of control.

Late last year the players were all given gym membership, as was the case in Kildare, but last Saturday it was clear which group had been pushing themselves to the limit eight months ago. On top of that, three nights training each week doesn't cover for three nights socialising in the same week and while such accusations are aimed at limited numbers on the panel, last Saturday also showed that you can't cover for a colleague at the highest level.

In truth Dempsey neither commanded nor demanded respect from this side but if they weren't willing to respect O'Dwyer, then who will they respect? And when Dempsey realises he'd be better off doing pretty much anything else, who will want to take over such a group? After all, you can't force heart and dedication on a team and it appears they aren't going to force it upon themselves.

Not until Friday did the panel get back into training after their mauling six days previous. In the intervening period many had seen their pictures on the walls and glimpsed back at better days. They might have realised then that their future is buried deeply in the past.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on April 22, 2017, 12:12:50 PM
Ewan McKenna who wrote that is a Kildare c*** who hates Laois so I'm not sure it's unbiased.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 22, 2017, 01:34:53 PM
high fielder apart from portlaoise what other team in the last 4 year beat arles killeen??or do you no,,thats a cheap shot at ballyroan abu,,on tha article for me is a load of horshite from a kildare man yes,,,micko is gone what ten year now ,,,the players dont care about the management anyone that that is local knows how much there out and about socialising flat out every weekend,,as stated they treat it like a club team,,they dont care anymore they just like the thought of been recognised as a laois player in my eyes,,div 4 is an absolute disgrace,,,from top to bottom laois football stinks at the minute,
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on April 22, 2017, 02:02:29 PM
Ewan McKenna who wrote that is a Kildare c*** who hates Laois so I'm not sure it's unbiased.
The same Ewan Mckenna who now resides in Brazil this week wrote a damning article about his own town , Athy and got slated for it locally.So anything he writes about laois is always tinged with an underlying hatred and jealously of laois people.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 22, 2017, 02:55:26 PM
high fielder apart from portlaoise what other team in the last 4 year beat arles killeen??or do you no,,thats a cheap shot at ballyroan abu,,on tha article for me is a load of horshite from a kildare man yes,,,micko is gone what ten year now ,,,the players dont care about the management anyone that that is local knows how much there out and about socialising flat out every weekend,,as stated they treat it like a club team,,they dont care anymore they just like the thought of been recognised as a laois player in my eyes,,div 4 is an absolute disgrace,,,from top to bottom laois football stinks at the minute,

Arles Killeen are a one man team. On the subject of Portlaoise, why do so.many players out out? Some of the best players in the county too. Are they moral objectors, because Laois football is an "absolute disgrace"?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on April 22, 2017, 03:28:30 PM
How much of what McKenna wrote in that article is actually untrue?

A lot of what goes on here,wouldn't be tolerated in any mildly successful county
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on April 22, 2017, 03:51:01 PM
Ewan McKenna who wrote that is a Kildare c*** who hates Laois so I'm not sure it's unbiased.
The same Ewan Mckenna who now resides in Brazil this week wrote a damning article about his own town , Athy and got slated for it locally.So anything he writes about laois is always tinged with an underlying hatred and jealously of laois people.

Jealous of what exactly?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 22, 2017, 04:50:35 PM
High Fielder be fair.
Michael Leigh (prob get on most teams in the county)
Donie Brennan(better that what we have)
Jason Enright (decent enough)
O Sheas Decent at club level
Shane Julian decent at club level
Paul Kingston (County Player)

BallyroanAbbey
McMahon, Conroy and Tierney & alot of chaps U19

I thought we did ok
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 22, 2017, 07:18:58 PM
They were a one man team that day and they're a one man team today. I'm going to end my exchanges with you Ballyroan by asking you this question. Do you think the panel that Creedon has available to him is good enough to be a Division 2 team?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 22, 2017, 07:23:17 PM
High fielder I'm asking you who was the last club team to beat Arles Killeen apart from portlaoise????????
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 22, 2017, 08:35:21 PM
I haven't a clue. Your question is designed to put Killeen in a good light. I don't rate Killeen. I don't rate Stradbally and for what it's worth, I think Portlaoise dropped the ball in a big way by not winning 10 in a row in a piss poor county. There is little if no talent coming out of Laois at the moment. We can't tackle, we can't defend and we don't like hard work. In short, we are wasting our time. You and your buddy blame Creedon for all this, which to me is a joke. Do you know why Portlaoise players swerve the county set up? Can you tell me who is meant to replace them? And should we place the same expectations on players even though we know they are inferior from the get go? Look closer to home if you want to know why Laois is REALLY failing as a county.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 22, 2017, 08:42:50 PM
I like the way you said you haven't a clue ,, in Leinster club championship portlaoise we're mostly beaten by Dublin teams who had a load of imported county players other than that they would have had a hat of Leinster crowns,,, you think our club foootball is bad? Go to an Offaly Kildare Wexford Meath club game there all poor,,, there is players in every county ,,, Meath beat Laois by 20-25 points in 2002,,2003 we win Leinster 2004 unlucky 2005 unlucky 20007 best team won,,, same players so yes high fielder you haven't a clue
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 22, 2017, 08:45:40 PM
And how many Portlaoise players are on the county panel?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 22, 2017, 08:48:34 PM
Brody ....Dillon..Lilis... that makes 3
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 22, 2017, 08:56:16 PM
Exactly. 3. Two subs and a goalie. How can a team as dominant as Portlaoise not have at least one outfield starter on the Laois team? Something badly wrong there don't you think? You and Ballyroan just love analysing things without facts. And these are the facts town180.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 22, 2017, 09:01:20 PM
Is that  not a management issue??? Dillon for me ide start yes,, Lilis is hurt at the minute with his ankle and is he good enough to start i  have my doubts... cahaline does not want to commit Conor Boyle is up in Dundalk has played fek all league games it's his club and Healy is hurling so,,, tell me
Who else is good enough to play senior inter COUNTY in that club????????
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 22, 2017, 09:08:28 PM
Ha ha. You keep tripping yourself up. You're basically saying that the most dominant team in Laois has nothing much to offer the county. That Peter Creedon is some bollix alright. Enjoy your football lad. You're not my cup of tea but Ballyroan Abu and yourself, assuming you're not friends or related already, will make good buddies
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 22, 2017, 09:39:30 PM
Ewan McKenna who wrote that is a Kildare c*** who hates Laois so I'm not sure it's unbiased.
The same Ewan Mckenna who now resides in Brazil this week wrote a damning article about his own town , Athy and got slated for it locally.So anything he writes about laois is always tinged with an underlying hatred and jealously of laois people.
And spends his days getting into twitter rages with random sports people. An odd individual.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 22, 2017, 10:16:39 PM
I haven't a clue. Your question is designed to put Killeen in a good light. I don't rate Killeen. I don't rate Stradbally and for what it's worth, I think Portlaoise dropped the ball in a big way by not winning 10 in a row in a piss poor county. There is little if no talent coming out of Laois at the moment. We can't tackle, we can't defend and we don't like hard work. In short, we are wasting our time. You and your buddy blame Creedon for all this, which to me is a joke. Do you know why Portlaoise players swerve the county set up? Can you tell me who is meant to replace them? And should we place the same expectations on players even though we know they are inferior from the get go? Look closer to home if you want to know why Laois is REALLY failing as a county.

Can you tell me a club team in Leinster you do rate outside of Dublin so we can get a comparison.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on April 22, 2017, 10:29:24 PM
I've a better idea Ballyroan. Let's just leave it. We don't agree. We're never likely to agree, and people probably just want to talk about the team. You and town are right about everything you say. We should burn Peter Creedon at the stake and Padraig Clancy should get the job immediately. Thank you both for showing us the light.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on April 22, 2017, 10:44:03 PM
Ewan McKenna who wrote that is a Kildare c*** who hates Laois so I'm not sure it's unbiased.
The same Ewan Mckenna who now resides in Brazil this week wrote a damning article about his own town , Athy and got slated for it locally.So anything he writes about laois is always tinged with an underlying hatred and jealously of laois people.
And spends his days getting into twitter rages with random sports people. An odd individual.
Odd is kind. He's deranged.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 22, 2017, 11:58:08 PM
But just for arguments sake can you name a club you admire outside of Dublin in Leinster to get a feel for how bad the players are in Laois.

I don't think we have particularly bad players I just think the overall strategy behind football development and preparation (if we have one) is dreadful.

I am open to any young Laois Man getting the job not particularly tied to anyone.   

Creedon is been paid which has sucked money from everywhere else as well as this to add insult to injury he has probably lost us quite abit in revenue as nobody is going to bothered going to Laois Matches except the die hards.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 23, 2017, 12:33:44 AM
Creedon is been paid which has sucked money from everywhere else as well as this to add insult to injury he has probably lost us quite abit in revenue as nobody is going to bothered going to Laois Matches except the die hards.

This is it.
You can be sure he is being well remunerated, along with his own extensive backroom team.

Meanwhile the overall problems with Laois football are not being addressed. Some extra money to spend on projects related to this would be handy!
We were told that this appointment would prove good value as it would be one that influence all facets of Laois football. He doesn't even appear to be doing the primary role of his job particularly well.

If we are shite anyway, well then stop wasting money on Creedon and his band of helpers. Give it to someone cheaper from within Laois and use the money saved to develop from the bottom up.
We can't exactly fall any further.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 23, 2017, 12:52:40 AM
Since 03 my high fielder give me the names from the town who av dominated our county team,,, i nvr said who to replace creedon,,, a good united club team yes ,,,don't have some quality to play inter county that's plain to be seen ,,, there lucky they get gimps like us who follow them to county finals and beyond but does that make inter county material my sir nooooooooo,,, Aidan fennelly yeees Kevin fitz yessss Ian fitz gave up early due to work after that give me names u clown ????????ur football knowledge is limited sir ,, I want our Laois lads full of pride and yes high fielder there's none there... because no manager can inspire our teams FACT or make them BELIEVE they can achieve that's why we're div 4....
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 23, 2017, 01:01:15 AM
Oh and you have 14 years there to give me the names high fielder??? I'll be waiting
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on April 23, 2017, 12:21:51 PM
I wouldn't waste my time High Fielder. These lads are a right headache. Not acknowledging the clear facts. We at least acknowledge that Creedon isn't the best manager in the country by a long shot. But these other lads don't seem to acknowledge the state that laois football is in, in general, and seem to focus ONLY on creedon + his backround team. If it's so bad, why no players have left setup? I hear they have faith in setup and are determined to redeem themselves come championship. Anyway, Is a lose lose argument. Let's leave it there. I'll be tuning out until championship time. My prediction for what it's worth:

Laois to beat Longford by 4 - 6 points.
Laois to lose to Kildare by 5-7 points.
Laois to win 1 or 2 qualifiers.
The end.
See ye's in summer.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Nameless on April 24, 2017, 06:22:29 PM
First post here so go easy on me. I used to post on the old Laoistalk forum. Recognise some old names here and I recognise some who have changed their usernames.

I think a lot of my posts on the old forum were defending Justin McNulty and also saying what a mistake it was to get rid of him. I think everyone accepts at this stage that it was a huge blunder and the results before and after his reign proves this. We had a team that was fit, strong, organised and most of all competitive. It wasn't all perfect but it was a lot better than what we have now.

He was ran out of the county because we in Laois were too good for that 'Northern style' football, we have natural, classy footballers, let's go out and attack teams! Well how did that go for us? We're now in division 4 instead of competing in division 1 or the higher part of division 2 and we've been knocked out by Clare, Antrim and Tipperary instead of running the reigning All Ireland champions Dublin and Donegal to a few points.

It's been a complete disaster of a move and let's not fool ourselves into thinking we had better players then. A lot of the players were the same and we didn't even have Donie when we were beating Monaghan and Meath in 2012. What would be the score against those teams now?

We have also seen in the last few years that everyone has accepted that you must organise yourselves defensively to compete, everyone! Dublin thought they could outscore teams at will and Donegal taught them a lesson, Kerry have had 'the blanket defense' for a good few years now. It's time we in Laois copped ourselves on.

Despite the myth that it's not in Laois players psyche to play defensive football, it clearly is the best method for us to compete. Defending in numbers and counter attacking at pace with Donie and another player playing inside is what we're best suited too. Our best performances in the past few years have all been when using this system.

We have the players to do this. With O'Connor, Attride (when fit), Begley, O'Loughlin, O'Carroll, Donagher, McMahon, Meaney, Strong etc we have the mixture of power and pace to cause teams trouble. We are also struggling with quality backs so an organised defensive system is an obvious solution. If we can get everyone fit and focused we could even do well in this years championship.

Creedon hasn't made a good start but we should give him the championship to make a judgement. It's obvious to all that we don't have many players coming through but that's a separate issue to the current senior team. The development of players has to be done at a young age and we need serious change to how we go about this but the manager of the senior team has to work with what he has and Creedon has to do better than he has up to this.

There have been a lot of injuries though, get them right for the championship and implement the right system and I think we'll have a similar campaign to what Tony thinks above.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 25, 2017, 10:48:21 AM
We have the players to do this. With O'Connor, Attride (when fit), Begley, O'Loughlin, O'Carroll, Donagher, McMahon, Meaney, Strong etc we have the mixture of power and pace to cause teams trouble. We are also struggling with quality backs so an organised defensive system is an obvious solution. If we can get everyone fit and focused we could even do well in this years championship.

Welcome (back) nameless. I agree with almost everything you say except the pace part. We have power for sure but too many players that get burned too easily. O'Connor, Attride and Donagher have plenty of pace but after that, we are a pretty slow team. An organized defence also requires pace to get lads tracking back and disrupting runs. We let players run through us because we simply can't catch them. I too was a big McNulty fan. He never got the attacking system working but always said that you had to build a cultural foundation of defensive structure before evolving to that.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 25, 2017, 11:30:54 AM
We have the players to do this. With O'Connor, Attride (when fit), Begley, O'Loughlin, O'Carroll, Donagher, McMahon, Meaney, Strong etc we have the mixture of power and pace to cause teams trouble. We are also struggling with quality backs so an organised defensive system is an obvious solution. If we can get everyone fit and focused we could even do well in this years championship.

Welcome (back) nameless. I agree with almost everything you say except the pace part. We have power for sure but too many players that get burned too easily. O'Connor, Attride and Donagher have plenty of pace but after that, we are a pretty slow team. An organized defence also requires pace to get lads tracking back and disrupting runs. We let players run through us because we simply can't catch them. I too was a big McNulty fan. He never got the attacking system working but always said that you had to build a cultural foundation of defensive structure before evolving to that.
First post here so go easy on me. I used to post on the old Laoistalk forum. Recognise some old names here and I recognise some who have changed their usernames.

I think a lot of my posts on the old forum were defending Justin McNulty and also saying what a mistake it was to get rid of him. I think everyone accepts at this stage that it was a huge blunder and the results before and after his reign proves this. We had a team that was fit, strong, organised and most of all competitive. It wasn't all perfect but it was a lot better than what we have now.

He was ran out of the county because we in Laois were too good for that 'Northern style' football, we have natural, classy footballers, let's go out and attack teams! Well how did that go for us? We're now in division 4 instead of competing in division 1 or the higher part of division 2 and we've been knocked out by Clare, Antrim and Tipperary instead of running the reigning All Ireland champions Dublin and Donegal to a few points.

It's been a complete disaster of a move and let's not fool ourselves into thinking we had better players then. A lot of the players were the same and we didn't even have Donie when we were beating Monaghan and Meath in 2012. What would be the score against those teams now?

We have also seen in the last few years that everyone has accepted that you must organise yourselves defensively to compete, everyone! Dublin thought they could outscore teams at will and Donegal taught them a lesson, Kerry have had 'the blanket defense' for a good few years now. It's time we in Laois copped ourselves on.

Despite the myth that it's not in Laois players psyche to play defensive football, it clearly is the best method for us to compete. Defending in numbers and counter attacking at pace with Donie and another player playing inside is what we're best suited too. Our best performances in the past few years have all been when using this system.

We have the players to do this. With O'Connor, Attride (when fit), Begley, O'Loughlin, O'Carroll, Donagher, McMahon, Meaney, Strong etc we have the mixture of power and pace to cause teams trouble. We are also struggling with quality backs so an organised defensive system is an obvious solution. If we can get everyone fit and focused we could even do well in this years championship.

Creedon hasn't made a good start but we should give him the championship to make a judgement. It's obvious to all that we don't have many players coming through but that's a separate issue to the current senior team. The development of players has to be done at a young age and we need serious change to how we go about this but the manager of the senior team has to work with what he has and Creedon has to do better than he has up to this.

There have been a lot of injuries though, get them right for the championship and implement the right system and I think we'll have a similar campaign to what Tony thinks above.

Sense at last, don't know if you wanted to be associated with me but I think these two are on point.  Pace is key but you don't have to be overly skilful to be good defensively just organised,fit, hardworking and willing. 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on April 25, 2017, 12:17:11 PM
Welcome back Nameless...you'll be fine. Just trying to figure out who Huey is.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on April 25, 2017, 12:27:15 PM
Reading Jack Nolans column on Laoistoday.ie and he makes a point of having a go at underage coaching standards in the county over the past few years.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on April 25, 2017, 12:55:06 PM
Welcome back Nameless...you'll be fine. Just trying to figure out who Huey is.

High fielder   ?

I cant figure anyone else except the obvious
 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on April 27, 2017, 04:01:44 PM
Any word on injuries and how things are going I was away there so im out of sync
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Laoisabu on April 27, 2017, 11:43:00 PM
We hammered Sligo in our last challenge game. Not sure of the score. Hopefully things have improved since the Offaly game.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 28, 2017, 01:38:51 AM
We hammered Sligo in our last challenge game. Not sure of the score. Hopefully things have improved since the Offaly game.

Things MUST have improved, it's been a long time since we hammered anyone... :)
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on April 28, 2017, 08:57:15 AM
It was a B Laois team who played Sligo so can only imagine
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 28, 2017, 09:00:00 AM
We hammered Sligo in our last challenge game. Not sure of the score. Hopefully things have improved since the Offaly game.

Things MUST have improved, it's been a long time since we hammered anyone... :)
How long has it been since we played Carlow, thats usually our go to hammering.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on April 28, 2017, 10:09:22 PM
Just out of o Moore park wher we played Carlow in a practice... we won 1-11 to 11.... in one of the worst games I have seen,,, Shocking shocking shocking stuff
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 28, 2017, 10:26:34 PM
Just out of o Moore park wher we played Carlow in a practice... we won 1-11 to 11.... in one of the worst games I have seen,,, Shocking shocking shocking stuff

Full teams?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Faugheen on April 29, 2017, 12:16:38 PM
How much of that was down to Carlow's blanket defence under Stephen Poacher,or was any of it ???
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Gmac on April 29, 2017, 05:05:44 PM
We are a div 4 team same as Carlow why should we expect to beat them by a cricket score ? Because we are Laois ? That means nothing to any teams ,  this mentality has a lot to do with where we are at now .our teams have an inflated opinion of themselves and find it hard to cope when teams out work us or things go wrong in games . It's a must fix for all Laois football teams and has been a problem on a lot of teams over the years.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on April 30, 2017, 03:15:57 AM
I heard we hammered them with nearly a 2nd string
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on April 30, 2017, 06:42:56 AM
I heard we hammered them with nearly a 2nd string
Town1980 can barely spell, so it's entirely possible he can't count either perhaps?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 30, 2017, 10:46:53 AM
We are a div 4 team same as Carlow why should we expect to beat them by a cricket score ? Because we are Laois ? That means nothing to any teams ,  this mentality has a lot to do with where we are at now .our teams have an inflated opinion of themselves and find it hard to cope when teams out work us or things go wrong in games . It's a must fix for all Laois football teams and has been a problem on a lot of teams over the years.

Well we are certainly doing a fantastic job in lowering expectations.
The cheek of people expecting to be able to compete in Division 3 (Teams 17-24 in the country).
It's like listening to David Moyes for the last 8 months.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on April 30, 2017, 11:01:51 AM
We are a division4 team now.. same as Carlow .. these are the facts ..
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 30, 2017, 03:49:15 PM
We are a division4 team now.. same as Carlow .. these are the facts ..

Indeed they are.
At least we are getting good value for money from our investment in the management and preparation of our Senior Football team. Excellent value.
Let's hope we manage to maintain our status as a Senior Football team into the future, and don't slip down the ranks like Kilkenny.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 01, 2017, 10:45:10 AM
Yeah because if we slip further down the ranks, like we've been doing clearly at all levels from Minor to Senior for the past 10 years, it's all the new senior management teams fault, even though they've just been there for months.

That makes loads of sense. You've cracked it Keyser.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on May 01, 2017, 11:46:00 AM
We are a division4 team now.. same as Carlow .. these are the facts ..

Indeed they are.
At least we are getting good value for money from our investment in the management and preparation of our Senior Football team. Excellent value.
Let's hope we manage to maintain our status as a Senior Football team into the future, and don't slip down the ranks like Kilkenny.

unlike Laois who are so successful in both Hurling and Football.

Laois will have a larger population than KK by 2030,I wonder what excuse will we use then?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on May 01, 2017, 12:02:52 PM
I believe (pub talk) big Donie has a leg ligament injury that could sideline him for awhile....anyone else hear the rumour
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: les Antiques on May 01, 2017, 01:34:35 PM
Don't think it's as serious as first feared . Will be touch or go for Longford though .
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on May 01, 2017, 06:26:06 PM
Yeah because if we slip further down the ranks, like we've been doing clearly at all levels from Minor to Senior for the past 10 years, it's all the new senior management teams fault, even though they've just been there for months.

That makes loads of sense. You've cracked it Keyser.

I thought you were gone till Championship
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 01, 2017, 07:25:34 PM
Yeah because if we slip further down the ranks, like we've been doing clearly at all levels from Minor to Senior for the past 10 years, it's all the new senior management teams fault, even though they've just been there for months.

That makes loads of sense. You've cracked it Keyser.

Don't see where I said that.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on May 01, 2017, 09:46:28 PM
Champo Looming  and most of the panel clearly enjoying themselves at the weekend,,, great preparation ,,,, the whole lot is a joke
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on May 01, 2017, 09:57:51 PM
Champo Looming  and most of the panel clearly enjoying themselves at the weekend,,, great preparation ,,,, the whole lot is a joke

Tell on.....and if possible stick to English not txt speek
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 01, 2017, 11:17:51 PM
Champo Looming  and most of the panel clearly enjoying themselves at the weekend,,, great preparation ,,,, the whole lot is a joke
Champo? Who the f**k calls it Champo this side of Newlands Cross? Have a look at yourself there.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ollie12 on May 01, 2017, 11:29:25 PM
 Most of the panel clearly enjoying themselves......who was enjoying themselves? Did you see these lads out enjoying themselves over the weekend?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on May 02, 2017, 07:59:14 AM
Champo Looming  and most of the panel clearly enjoying themselves at the weekend,,, great preparation ,,,, the whole lot is a joke
Stop throwing up unsubstantiated rubbish please.
Unless you saw at least 16 lads out "enjoying themselves" which I doubt.
Anyway, define "enjoying themselves"? Out for a bite with the missus? A walk in Heywood Gardens? 20 pints with the lads? You're very vague there.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Laois fan on May 02, 2017, 08:31:12 AM
Hate these stupid gossip tales,its still three weeks from match and lads are entitled to a private life which is none of our business,they all have partners etc who hardly want to stay housed all bank holiday wend
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 02, 2017, 08:51:14 AM
Hate these stupid gossip tales,its still three weeks from match and lads are entitled to a private life which is none of our business,they all have partners etc who hardly want to stay housed all bank holiday wend
He's got an agenda to pursue, dont think he'll stop at anything to pursue it either.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ollie12 on May 02, 2017, 09:22:02 AM
He won't give an answer either and if he does it won't be a clear answer of what he saw or thinks he saw.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on May 02, 2017, 10:21:07 AM
They are allowed out for a few drinks ffs.. its 3 weeks til the championship
We do not own these players
They are amatuers
Is there any wonder why so many wont commit
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Catch and Kick on May 02, 2017, 09:54:35 PM
They are allowed out for a few drinks ffs.. its 3 weeks til the championship
We do not own these players
They are amatuers
Is there any wonder why so many wont commit

Well said. Anyone playing for their county should be applauded, encouraged and appreciated. Too easy to come on a forum, anonymously, and cast aspersions on their character, their commitment, their ability. One sure thing these critics wouldn't lace their boots and wouldn't last long of they had to read such tripe
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on May 02, 2017, 10:40:22 PM
I can't believe what some off yee are saying,, get your head out of the sand,,, are any top team doing the kinda stuff our lads are at?? I'm not going to mention names but intercounty automatically means no drink creedon  has a beer ban in the last 3 weeks and some of yee eejits,,, think awe hey a few pints is ok????they have went against managements wishes so yes it's all feked up,,, so before yee slate me get out of yere  homes and witness the lack of manners and commitment in there at the minute ,,, advocating drinking this is the best I have ever heard,,, there is a difference to playing for Laois and been totally committed to the cause off the field that good fellas is our big problem,,, we are a club team at the minute fact
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 02, 2017, 10:45:17 PM
I can't believe what some off yee are saying,, get your head out of the sand,,, are any top team doing the kinda stuff our lads are at?? I'm not going to mention names but intercounty automatically means no drink creedon  has a beer ban in the last 3 weeks and some of yee eejits,,, think awe hey a few pints is ok????they have went against managements wishes so yes it's all feked up,,, so before yee slate me get out of yere  homes and witness the lack of manners and commitment in there at the minute ,,, advocating drinking this is the best I have ever heard,,, there is a difference to playing for Laois and been totally committed to the cause off the field that good fellas is our big problem,,, we are a club team at the minute fact
I've come to the conclusion that you're a very nasty individual
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 02, 2017, 10:56:27 PM
Isn't town1980 the same lad who said he saw Billy sheehan drunk a few years ago when he doesn't even drink at all? I'd take what he says as complete nonsense to be honest and the lads are entitled to go out. Were u inspecting their drinks?if I go out I can have a whole lot of drinks but u wouldn't know if they were alcoholic unless you came up and smelled me and the drink. Were u smelling players again now town1980. On a side note, whoever thought him to punctuate with ,,,. Needs to be shot at dawn. Jesus wept and wept.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Butch Cassidy on May 02, 2017, 11:30:09 PM
Why are we in the GAA obsessed with drink bans? Rooney was out drinking a week before a premier league game at the weekend and scored. Rugby players have drinks after games. What you eat is way more important than a few drinks.

Why do we have to go months without a drink at county and club level when we are the 'amateur' players?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Nameless on May 02, 2017, 11:32:37 PM
Wasn't this Town1980 fella the same lad that would continually suggest Lillis/Kavanagh for the Laois job on the Laoistalk forum? Well Lillis eventually did get the job. Turned out well!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on May 03, 2017, 12:18:07 AM
Don't know if anyone has been drinking or not drinking this weekend.  However I think that it is an honor to play for your county that a few not all in this county take for granted.  I personally think that some players with Laois are happy to wear the county jersey but are not all that bothered about the commitment to that jersey.  Also the same people on here who are defending Creedon will now here nothing against any player on the Laois panel.  Well there is a personal responsibility on players to behave and act in a way that befits there standing within our communities.  These chaps are wrongly or rightly looked up to by young people throughout the county.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ollie12 on May 03, 2017, 09:54:25 AM
The question hasn't been answered yet. Where and when and how many were out drinking? Was this witnessed. I for one would like to know if there is any truth to the rumour.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: GAA-SMART on May 03, 2017, 10:05:57 AM
Lads get over it, 3 weeks out, wouldn't be at all surprised if Creedon gave them the go ahead to have a night out and come back Tuesday with a fresh run for Longford in 3 weeks. From what I hear the atmosphere has improved within the camp and they are preparing well. Not sure about the Carlow game but who cares, if your interested in beating Carlow in April well then your priorities are in a shocking state of order. Some of yee can sit there and slate the lads or you can wait and see how we do against Longford, if we are beaten well then alot of people here will get their wish, I for one don't think we will be beaten. 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 03, 2017, 12:04:59 PM
I personally think that some players with Laois are happy to wear the county jersey but are not all that bothered about the commitment to that jersey.  Also the same people on here who are defending Creedon will now here nothing against any player on the Laois panel.  Well there is a personal responsibility on players to behave and act in a way that befits there standing within our communities.  These chaps are wrongly or rightly looked up to by young people throughout the county.

What exactly are you talking about? When you look at the current Laois players, we could certainly do with a few more stars, but lack of commitment from the current panel is hardly something that they can be charged with. Even some of the poor games this year, and there were plenty of them, they generally ran themselves into the ground. Look at how hard some of them have worked their way back from injuries - Donie, Johno, Evan, Mark Timmons etc. etc. etc. Did you see how the Offaly loss affected the players?

Also I don't think people on here are defending Creedon necessarily. Most people, myself included, would say that you have to be fair to the guy and judge him with how he does with a full panel and over time. Likewise, it is ludicrous to blame him for the slide in our fortunes - it was telegraphed for years, well before Creedon's name was associated with Laois.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 03, 2017, 01:20:43 PM
There's a difference between backing Creedon and standing up for the players from horseshit abuse from a fella who once claimed he saw a tetotaller on the beer.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on May 03, 2017, 01:34:36 PM
Well said blueandwhite

These drinking/socialising bans are a load of bollox.
Professional soccer and rugby players are allowed out for a few drinks regularly.
Otherwise your a f**king prisoner to the game.
I dont really care if lads were or werent drinking at the weekend. Longford is 3 weeks away.
Go out and enjoy yourselves. They make plenty of sacrifices as it is.
Come back and get the heads down for the next three weeks now.
Longford will be a battle. They survived in division 3, we didnt. But if we get most of the injuries sorted we have a good chance.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on May 03, 2017, 08:34:25 PM
Ollie 12 if I started a list you would be very unhappy,,,, I for one can't stand the attitude of some posters thinking it's ok to drink this close to championship, the fact is creedon put in place a ban his idea not mine and countless lads disobeyed his rule, it's a massive problem when the players don't obey his command but no eejits here think intercounty is like a club way of going on, I'm not naming one player I just stated that a lot are guilty of this, and I never ever stated billy sheehan drank go look at my posts Tony that's how much of gobshite you are,,, billy sheehan an unreal committed player for Laois never drank in his life
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on May 03, 2017, 09:11:10 PM
Name names or stfu

If you can't back up the allegation,don't make it
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 03, 2017, 09:17:31 PM
Ollie 12 if I started a list you would be very unhappy,,,, I for one can't stand the attitude of some posters thinking it's ok to drink this close to championship, the fact is creedon put in place a ban his idea not mine and countless lads disobeyed his rule, it's a massive problem when the players don't obey his command but no eejits here think intercounty is like a club way of going on, I'm not naming one player I just stated that a lot are guilty of this, and I never ever stated billy sheehan drank go look at my posts Tony that's how much of gobshite you are,,, billy sheehan an unreal committed player for Laois never drank in his life
You're full of shit.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Gmac on May 03, 2017, 09:27:25 PM
Ollie 12 if I started a list you would be very unhappy,,,, I for one can't stand the attitude of some posters thinking it's ok to drink this close to championship, the fact is creedon put in place a ban his idea not mine and countless lads disobeyed his rule, it's a massive problem when the players don't obey his command but no eejits here think intercounty is like a club way of going on, I'm not naming one player I just stated that a lot are guilty of this, and I never ever stated billy sheehan drank go look at my posts Tony that's how much of gobshite you are,,, billy sheehan an unreal committed player for Laois never drank in his life
billy Sheehan was leading a march of another club team from another county through the streets of portlaoise in the county for which he was playing maybe u thought he was drunk .
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 03, 2017, 09:37:50 PM
Ollie 12 if I started a list you would be very unhappy,,,, I for one can't stand the attitude of some posters thinking it's ok to drink this close to championship, the fact is creedon put in place a ban his idea not mine and countless lads disobeyed his rule, it's a massive problem when the players don't obey his command but no eejits here think intercounty is like a club way of going on, I'm not naming one player I just stated that a lot are guilty of this, and I never ever stated billy sheehan drank go look at my posts Tony that's how much of gobshite you are,,, billy sheehan an unreal committed player for Laois never drank in his life
billy Sheehan was leading a march of another club team from another county through the streets of portlaoise in the county for which he was playing maybe u thought he was drunk .
He was leading the club team in which he grew up. Say what you like about Sheehan, but he had more dedication to playing for this county than quite a few. He could do what he f**king liked on his own time.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 03, 2017, 09:54:13 PM
Whether fellas were out drinking or not I have no idea, but I'd be fairly sure if Town1980 or any poster starting naming players that there would be an outcry from some of the same posters for doing so!
It would hardly be an appropriate thing to do!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 03, 2017, 10:06:18 PM
Whether fellas were out drinking or not I have no idea, but I'd be fairly sure if Town1980 or any poster starting naming players that there would be an outcry from some of the same posters for doing so!
It would hardly be an appropriate thing to do!
I know, next time he should confront the player himself and express his displease in person.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ollie12 on May 03, 2017, 10:12:43 PM
I never said it was ok to drink three weeks before championship. I think it would show very poor attitude and discipline if they were out drinking but I don't believe like you previously posted that most of the panel were out over the weekend. If you don want to name names then that's fair enough but did you personally see these guys out drinking? Were they all out together?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on May 03, 2017, 11:10:29 PM
Whether fellas were out drinking or not I have no idea, but I'd be fairly sure if Town1980 or any poster starting naming players that there would be an outcry from some of the same posters for doing so!
It would hardly be an appropriate thing to do!

No,starting an unfounded rumor is a much better idea.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 03, 2017, 11:15:37 PM
Whether fellas were out drinking or not I have no idea, but I'd be fairly sure if Town1980 or any poster starting naming players that there would be an outcry from some of the same posters for doing so!
It would hardly be an appropriate thing to do!

No,starting an unfounded rumor is a much better idea.

So do you think naming is a good idea?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 04, 2017, 12:21:32 AM
Don't name anyone. Any player named as a drinker could end up suing for libel. It might not be a hugely serious issue in the greater scheme of things - that a player has a few drinks - but a court could see it as besmirching his good name. So, unless you have €30k packed away somewhere, I wouldn't.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 04, 2017, 07:21:31 AM
Town1980 said most of the panel were out drinking. I call bs on that one. Nobody else saw it or heard it and we're all around the county. Complete bs. If "most of the panel were out drinking", we'd all have heard about it. Nobody has heard a thing apart from this attention seeker.

 I was out till 3 last Sunday night but I wasn't drinking, I'm on anti biotics the last week. Anyone seeing me out would assume I was drinking.

What I'd say that little town1980 saw was a player or two out after their bedtime and so he assumed they were out drinking. Get a life town1980 seriously. You know that's what happened. You're enjoying the little limelight there but you know you're talking bs.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on May 04, 2017, 08:40:25 AM
Don't name anyone. Any player named as a drinker could end up suing for libel. It might not be a hugely serious issue in the greater scheme of things - that a player has a few drinks - but a court could see it as besmirching his good name. So, unless you have €30k packed away somewhere, I wouldn't.

Yeah maybe if town1980 and other clowns who spread unsubstantiated rumors considered this before they started typing.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on May 04, 2017, 09:32:09 AM
if yee think im talking bullshit lads i couldnt care less,,,if you were out in town TONY you would have seen alot out in fact,,,why would i even bring this subject up,,,creedon put in a ban after the easter bank holiday weekend as players never showed up for training ,,,all players agreed so there was a drinking ban in place FACT,at the weekend alot of our players didobeyed this again and WERE out drinking enjoying themselves and in JUST MY OPINION i think that is not right,,we have been so bad in the league and me as a supporter is hoping for an upturn in performance see this shit happening it riles me,,its never said on this forum but i question the commitment club players train do gym sessions and yes ENJOY the weekends county players are supposed to be a different breed they are supposed to live breath GAA,,dublin mayo tyrone donegal list goes on,,i will use  Ross Mullaney as an example of what a model GAA person is and i see alot in there that just are not  commited like he is was,,sorry if yee dont like me opening the can of worms but good fellas its a fact,our county team is like a club team at the minute
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 04, 2017, 09:38:04 AM
I agree. Some posters are morons.

Players are expected to act like complete professionals, when they give up their lives. A pint or two won't affect them much.

It's easier for say, the Dubs, to do so, as there's an All Ireland medal in the offing. Along with a huge pick, there's the carrot of the medal and the 'stick' of being dropped. Counties like Laois won't be seeing Croke Park in September for a long time and expecting players.

You can argue that drinking and poor discipline is why we won't see it, but it's not fair on them.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 04, 2017, 10:02:39 AM
Is Ross Mullaney anything to Paddy?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: GAA-SMART on May 04, 2017, 10:37:50 AM
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=269810

This looks great, get rid of 2 lads and pay for Mc Conville to come down. Nonsesne.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on May 04, 2017, 12:44:06 PM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/05/04/injury-worry-key-players-laois-senior-footballers/ (http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/05/04/injury-worry-key-players-laois-senior-footballers/)

Update on the state of things with the senior squad.
Guinness was a bit off in O'Loughlins over the weekend, apparently!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 04, 2017, 01:34:47 PM
“There’s a saying in GAA that after a couple of championship games, the league is quickly forgotten about and I think the last 12 or last 8 is a realistic ambition.” - Peter Creedon.

Haha, if we come anywhere near the last 12 or 8 I will eat my hat live in top square portlaoise. But stranger things have happened and I admire the high goal standard that we're trying to achieve. Great to have Timmons, Brendan and Stephen back. If we have JOL, Donie and Padraig back too, we might have a decent looking team come the Longford game. As the man says, things can only get better. . . Surely.

Respect again to all the lads who've put in very heavy training since the League. Not long now till the Longford game. We can't afford any more injuries though as we don't have the strength in depth to cope with it as we witnessed in the League. IF IF IF we do pull off a result against Longford and IFFFF we somehow do something against Kildare, Creedon is right : we most certainly will have forgotten about the league.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 04, 2017, 04:00:07 PM
Not sure about the drink ban but I did see two or three lads on the beer on sunday night last.

I'm not one for these ban a player should know how to look after himself leading up to a championship game.

It will be all decided on the day if they want it enough or not.


If we had a team like

Brody
Attride
Timmons
Kelly
Strong
Lillis
Begley
Quigley
Meaney
Walsh
O'Loughlin
O Carroll
Kingston
Kingston
Conway

I think we will beat Longofrd!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on May 04, 2017, 05:07:05 PM
Jaysus Unlaoised would you start Meaney after 2 stupid sending offs that were pivotal in how things panned out in the league
Id much prefer to see buggie or dillon starting and JOL in the middle
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Nameless on May 04, 2017, 05:31:18 PM
It's great to hear that Attride is back. Pace is key in the modern game and I think we need him and O'Connor on the starting team. The problem is that we are very short on corner backs and these 2 are better suited out the field. We have to play defensive with numbers back and then play on the counter with the option of the long ball into Kingston. It's the game that suits our players best. Number one because we don't have great tacklers or tight man to man markers. Also with our lack of pace around the middle, we can't be chasing back after players, we have to keep our spine solid.
Our attack should be based on the combination of powerful runners and pacey runners and then the King as our ex factor. I would put either Walsh or O'Carroll in beside him. A strong player who can win their own ball. Our wing backs and wing forwards should be interchangeable. I think there's only room for two out of three of Quigley, O'Loughlin and Meaney so whoever is showing best in training. If Timmons gets his match sharpness soon he has to start and I think Booth in one corner mainly because we have no one. Kelly might have to stay in the other but he wouldn't be as exposed with a proper defensive structure. Something like this:

___________Brody___________
Booth_____Timmons______Kelly
__________Strong___________
Attride_____Begley____McMahon
____Quigley______O'Loughlin___
O'Connor___O'Carroll___Donagher
_____Kingston_____Walsh_____
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Helix on May 04, 2017, 08:01:00 PM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/05/04/laois-gaa-decline-comment-reports-hurling-football-coaches-axed/

Interesting article to see just weeks before championship.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Gmac on May 04, 2017, 08:21:03 PM
If that is true better start the search for the next manager soon ,  I'd be pretty sure he will walk after championship exit.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 04, 2017, 08:22:41 PM
If that is true better start the search for the next manager soon ,  I'd be pretty sure he will walk after championship exit.

They will be queuing up with job offers no doubt!

It'd be interesting to know where the story came from, smacks of getting your excuses in early to me!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 05, 2017, 09:36:50 AM
Beginning to think the Laois job is a bit of a poisoned chalice to be honest. Justin McNulty had the makings of a great manager - where is he now post Laois? Dempsey was good at underage but his stock has gone way down after his stint. TOF wasn't great anyway but nobody will take him on now. Kearns spell was dissappointing & he was in the wilderness for a bit before making a return to form now. MO'D himself even complained that he was unhappy with the setup in Laois and wanted out after the players pretty much kicked him out. Not even mentioning Mick Lillis as we all know what happened there. Now Peter Creedon - a well respected manager after his work with Tipp, could be out within a year and god knows where he'll go.

That could all change of course, pending the championship. But for the CB to kick a background coach like McGeehin out because of "costs" midway through a season is disgraceful in my opinion.

Trying to remain positive though and hoping for a turnaround come summer..
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Zooming around on May 05, 2017, 11:30:36 AM
Is it definitely a cost cutting exercise? That seems a bit strange. Who said it was to do with costs?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on May 05, 2017, 12:50:22 PM
Its depressing to see an article like that in the national media ..

Maybe the CB are broke ..
There couldnt have been anymore than 300 at the last home match against Longford
No one is going to support the county fooyballers anymore ..
Its a knockon effect .. team doing badly .. some lads not committing .. very little support .. no money in the coffers ..

We need a 10 year plan .. everything else is band aids

There was 25-30k tipp fans in croker for the semi final last year .. the supporters will come back if the team started to have some success but it took tipp 10 yrears to get there ..
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on May 05, 2017, 12:51:18 PM
Is it definitely a cost cutting exercise? That seems a bit strange. Who said it was to do with costs?

The article says that  but nor confirmed by the chairman, hurling coach gone as well for same reason, yet  McConville has being brought in.
Must be doing it for nothing.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Zooming around on May 05, 2017, 01:04:07 PM
Is it definitely a cost cutting exercise? That seems a bit strange. Who said it was to do with costs?

The article says that  but nor confirmed by the chairman, hurling coach gone as well for same reason, yet  McConville has being brought in.
Must be doing it for nothing.

The McConville thing is what's throwing me. There's no way he's any less than Kelly or McGeehan so I doubt very much that it is cost cutting. It just doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on May 05, 2017, 01:55:09 PM
tony I am going to pick you up on your last musings on this thread, and gather up a few overall thoughts.

firstly tony, you now declare Laois football a poisoned chalice, during the entire league, you offered the excuse of "missing players" for poor performances.....you have been an apologist from day 1 for this management.

I will tell you my views on the most recent(8-10 years of laois managements).
Justin McNulty I met 2 weeks ago....I was a big fan of him as a manager....style marks would have been low, but he kept us organised and competitive(possibly even punching above our weight).....he told me he is giving total commitment to his job at Stormont and has minimal involvement in GAA management now.........if he did leave politics and return to GAA, there would be a queue to offer him an intercounty role.

Liam kearns is a canny operator: a decent manager, not top class.....he was part of the Roscommon set up under John Evans and now with Tipp.....canny because he only moves to counties with the talent already at his disposal....you will not see him at a Carlow for instance.

O Flaherty, at best a selector, a 5 star spoofer as a manager.
Mick Lillis a good man at club management and was fighting a losing battle from day 1 at the helm of the seniors as most saw him as a sticking plaster arrangement.

Now for your view Tony, that Creedon was well respected.......if he was so well respected why was he rejected out of hand for his native Cork job when that position was vacant last summer?

I posted on the football league thread at half time in the opening league game against Louth....I said then what I was watching was a disaster and my prediction of relegation unfortunately materialised.

A management team can be unlucky with missing players....BUT......
(1)  a proper management will have a definite game plan and in the modern game such plans if adhered to can dilute the effect of missing players...............from day 1 against Louth this Laois team has had no plan whatsoever.

(2)  during the league campaign this squad has lacked fitness compared to other sides..........one must then question the fitness coach

(3) the lack of fitness and lack of gameplan/style, items 1 and 2 have been cruelly exposed in Division 3.....yes 3....doubtful if any of the 7 other teams in the division will grace an all Ireland quarter final in 2017...........if you are found out in division 3, imagine how bad things would have been against the quality sides.

(4) little or no discipline. 

the only people I hear defending this management are those that appointed them and their close friends......if a senior club side in laois brought an outside coach in with these results in a club league campaign, said coach would be sacked before the championship and someone else brought in to try and give the set up a shot in the arm and at least some level of renewed optimism.


How many of the 16 senior clubs sides in laois would offer Creedon a job judged on his results to date with this county?



Look the big picture was this executive in Laois have been out of their depth for some time....on the credit side, they have developed the training facility.....but on the pitch, they have overseen the plummeting in standards of laois inter county football from underage to senior, and little of late has happened to address that trend. 

The executive appointed and stood by a dud like O Flaterty for 2 years, then appointed Lillis in a panic.  To appease the masses last Autumn Creedon and his "top class backroom team" were appointed in a publicity blitz as a measure to quell the anger that was bubbling with Laois football supporters.
Apart from Tipperary underage, Creedon was in essence an unproven quantity, and that aspect meant he deserved time to prove himself as well as buying time for the executive. In a results and performance business, we now know, that Mick Lillis was every bit as good as Creedon and co., and once again the executive failed.

A speedy exit from the championship is desired, and what is required is a special conference of all those concerned about Laois football, and a plan for intercounty from Under 14 to Senior needs to be detailed, not a piecemeal job covering cracks.

The above said, we may beat Longford, but we will fail the moment we encounter a half decent team this summer.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 05, 2017, 06:48:46 PM
tony I am going to pick you up on your last musings on this thread, and gather up a few overall thoughts.

firstly tony, you now declare Laois football a poisoned chalice, during the entire league, you offered the excuse of "missing players" for poor performances.....you have been an apologist from day 1 for this management.

I will tell you my views on the most recent(8-10 years of laois managements).
Justin McNulty I met 2 weeks ago....I was a big fan of him as a manager....style marks would have been low, but he kept us organised and competitive(possibly even punching above our weight).....he told me he is giving total commitment to his job at Stormont and has minimal involvement in GAA management now.........if he did leave politics and return to GAA, there would be a queue to offer him an intercounty role.

Liam kearns is a canny operator: a decent manager, not top class.....he was part of the Roscommon set up under John Evans and now with Tipp.....canny because he only moves to counties with the talent already at his disposal....you will not see him at a Carlow for instance.

O Flaherty, at best a selector, a 5 star spoofer as a manager.
Mick Lillis a good man at club management and was fighting a losing battle from day 1 at the helm of the seniors as most saw him as a sticking plaster arrangement.

Now for your view Tony, that Creedon was well respected.......if he was so well respected why was he rejected out of hand for his native Cork job when that position was vacant last summer?

I posted on the football league thread at half time in the opening league game against Louth....I said then what I was watching was a disaster and my prediction of relegation unfortunately materialised.

A management team can be unlucky with missing players....BUT......
(1)  a proper management will have a definite game plan and in the modern game such plans if adhered to can dilute the effect of missing players...............from day 1 against Louth this Laois team has had no plan whatsoever.

(2)  during the league campaign this squad has lacked fitness compared to other sides..........one must then question the fitness coach

(3) the lack of fitness and lack of gameplan/style, items 1 and 2 have been cruelly exposed in Division 3.....yes 3....doubtful if any of the 7 other teams in the division will grace an all Ireland quarter final in 2017...........if you are found out in division 3, imagine how bad things would have been against the quality sides.

(4) little or no discipline. 

the only people I hear defending this management are those that appointed them and their close friends......if a senior club side in laois brought an outside coach in with these results in a club league campaign, said coach would be sacked before the championship and someone else brought in to try and give the set up a shot in the arm and at least some level of renewed optimism.


How many of the 16 senior clubs sides in laois would offer Creedon a job judged on his results to date with this county?



Look the big picture was this executive in Laois have been out of their depth for some time....on the credit side, they have developed the training facility.....but on the pitch, they have overseen the plummeting in standards of laois inter county football from underage to senior, and little of late has happened to address that trend. 

The executive appointed and stood by a dud like O Flaterty for 2 years, then appointed Lillis in a panic.  To appease the masses last Autumn Creedon and his "top class backroom team" were appointed in a publicity blitz as a measure to quell the anger that was bubbling with Laois football supporters.
Apart from Tipperary underage, Creedon was in essence an unproven quantity, and that aspect meant he deserved time to prove himself as well as buying time for the executive. In a results and performance business, we now know, that Mick Lillis was every bit as good as Creedon and co., and once again the executive failed.

A speedy exit from the championship is desired, and what is required is a special conference of all those concerned about Laois football, and a plan for intercounty from Under 14 to Senior needs to be detailed, not a piecemeal job covering cracks.

The above said, we may beat Longford, but we will fail the moment we encounter a half decent team this summer.

Very well put.

It's not a witch hunt against Creedon, and there is no vested interest (from me anyways, and I'd suspect not from this poster).
There is only so much apologising and excuse making that people can bear.
Intercounty managers are renowned for having "mouthpieces" in the media, particularly outsiders in middle tier counties. Whatever happens now the excuses have been well established- "The County Board just didn't back Creedon. It wasn't his fault,and sure anyways those players can't be managed!"
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Stradism on May 05, 2017, 07:37:22 PM
Cant remember a time when expectations were as low as they are now coming into this Leinster campaign.
2 weeks to go and so much disinterest, I hope CB does something to promote this game and get a respectable home crowd!

Would like to see a team like this, but I expect Kelly, P.Kingston and Walsh all to start.

Brody

Timmons
Booth
O' Connor

Attride
Lillis
Begley

JOL
Quigley

Donoher
EOC
Farrell

Moore
Kingston
Conway
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 05, 2017, 09:22:42 PM
I don't think Moore is ready to go in corner forward on a big physical match like this. Also why mark timmons in the corner? When he's fit he's one of the top natural full backs in the country. Lillis at cb doesn't have enough pace. Anyway each to their opinion Stradism!

I for one am really looking forward to the championship. I have a strange funny feeling that when expectations are as low as they are, we might actually do something impressive in summer.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship
Post by: town1980 on May 05, 2017, 10:22:05 PM
Tony you talk some -----,,, why are lads on here picking Timmons full back he hasn't played all year? He will be no where near the team this year ,creedon was hauled into the county board office and was asked what the hell was going on he got rid of mcgeehan, scapegoat maybe he had to act blame some one, there is no settled team at the minute the mood is down best as the players haven't a clue what's happening Donnie is still hurt and will be fit but could lack that sharpness,another poster seen 3/4 lads out boozing last weekend so that's has the panel complaining in house, we need 24 Ross mulaneys, billy sheehans if we're gonna bring pride back but at the minute we don't have that
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on May 05, 2017, 10:43:54 PM
tony I am going to pick you up on your last musings on this thread, and gather up a few overall thoughts.

firstly tony, you now declare Laois football a poisoned chalice, during the entire league, you offered the excuse of "missing players" for poor performances.....you have been an apologist from day 1 for this management.

I will tell you my views on the most recent(8-10 years of laois managements).
Justin McNulty I met 2 weeks ago....I was a big fan of him as a manager....style marks would have been low, but he kept us organised and competitive(possibly even punching above our weight).....he told me he is giving total commitment to his job at Stormont and has minimal involvement in GAA management now.........if he did leave politics and return to GAA, there would be a queue to offer him an intercounty role.

Liam kearns is a canny operator: a decent manager, not top class.....he was part of the Roscommon set up under John Evans and now with Tipp.....canny because he only moves to counties with the talent already at his disposal....you will not see him at a Carlow for instance.

O Flaherty, at best a selector, a 5 star spoofer as a manager.
Mick Lillis a good man at club management and was fighting a losing battle from day 1 at the helm of the seniors as most saw him as a sticking plaster arrangement.

Now for your view Tony, that Creedon was well respected.......if he was so well respected why was he rejected out of hand for his native Cork job when that position was vacant last summer?

I posted on the football league thread at half time in the opening league game against Louth....I said then what I was watching was a disaster and my prediction of relegation unfortunately materialised.

A management team can be unlucky with missing players....BUT......
(1)  a proper management will have a definite game plan and in the modern game such plans if adhered to can dilute the effect of missing players...............from day 1 against Louth this Laois team has had no plan whatsoever.

(2)  during the league campaign this squad has lacked fitness compared to other sides..........one must then question the fitness coach

(3) the lack of fitness and lack of gameplan/style, items 1 and 2 have been cruelly exposed in Division 3.....yes 3....doubtful if any of the 7 other teams in the division will grace an all Ireland quarter final in 2017...........if you are found out in division 3, imagine how bad things would have been against the quality sides.

(4) little or no discipline. 

the only people I hear defending this management are those that appointed them and their close friends......if a senior club side in laois brought an outside coach in with these results in a club league campaign, said coach would be sacked before the championship and someone else brought in to try and give the set up a shot in the arm and at least some level of renewed optimism.


How many of the 16 senior clubs sides in laois would offer Creedon a job judged on his results to date with this county?



Look the big picture was this executive in Laois have been out of their depth for some time....on the credit side, they have developed the training facility.....but on the pitch, they have overseen the plummeting in standards of laois inter county football from underage to senior, and little of late has happened to address that trend. 

The executive appointed and stood by a dud like O Flaterty for 2 years, then appointed Lillis in a panic.  To appease the masses last Autumn Creedon and his "top class backroom team" were appointed in a publicity blitz as a measure to quell the anger that was bubbling with Laois football supporters.
Apart from Tipperary underage, Creedon was in essence an unproven quantity, and that aspect meant he deserved time to prove himself as well as buying time for the executive. In a results and performance business, we now know, that Mick Lillis was every bit as good as Creedon and co., and once again the executive failed.

A speedy exit from the championship is desired, and what is required is a special conference of all those concerned about Laois football, and a plan for intercounty from Under 14 to Senior needs to be detailed, not a piecemeal job covering cracks.

The above said, we may beat Longford, but we will fail the moment we encounter a half decent team this summer.

Very well put.

It's not a witch hunt against Creedon, and there is no vested interest (from me anyways, and I'd suspect not from this poster).
There is only so much apologising and excuse making that people can bear.
Intercounty managers are renowned for having "mouthpieces" in the media, particularly outsiders in middle tier counties. Whatever happens now the excuses have been well established- "The County Board just didn't back Creedon. It wasn't his fault,and sure anyways those players can't be managed!"

Thats telling you wholeheartedly agree with original poster, we won't beat Longford by the way.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 05, 2017, 10:48:15 PM
He's been training and playing well with graige the past few weeks, of course he has to slot back into full back. That's talking sense. Booth works hard but has been found out at full back with the harder ground for years. Mark has to be fb, he's fit and will have a few challenge games to be match fit. Put Dennis in the corner maybe. We don't have the luxury a la Dublin or kerry to rest our big players if they're not 100%sharp. We just don't have the strength in depth for that. Mark has to start and to start in his best position.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 05, 2017, 11:25:21 PM
Thats telling you wholeheartedly agree with original poster, we won't beat Longford by the way.

Don't understand this remark?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on May 06, 2017, 03:52:10 AM
I was at the Carlow challenge game TONY whoever is filling your head with this info is way off,, mark timmons will not start he might not be brought on in any game in fact his major operation I think will see him end his Laois senior career, his 32 and a double hip operation with him playing 2-3 club games means you start an intercounty game,, there's a reason lads start training in October to be ready for the summer, Tony good fellow your actually clueless and mr Broanabu has just proved it to all of us
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 06, 2017, 06:53:46 AM
If we've no money in the coffers for on-the-field stuff, then why has the CB undertaken "legacy" projects like the centre of excellence. Someone I know told me that because it's in Laois, it should be called a 'centre of normality'. Good burn, but shows that Laois is not even a blip on the GAA Richter scale anymore.

Why have we taken on MASSIVE capital projects, when our on-the-field exploits are taking a nose-dive?

How much of a loss was made on that field in Ballyroan, which was bought in the boom? Why are dressing rooms being built in the COE, when OMP is right beside it?

This is what the Dubs slate the lesser counties for - developing grounds and CoE's, while they invest in players etc. You can qualify their remarks easily by pointing out that they can have a shitty little county ground because Croker is available to them, while training facilities are at their disposal, in the many Unis in the city...plus Abbottstown.......(edit).....all paid for by the Croker.

We need a businessman at the helm in Laois CB for a while. Someone canny, with good contacts. Plus we need forward-thinking, proactive people and not reactive, protectionists.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on May 06, 2017, 08:26:21 AM
I was at the Carlow challenge game TONY whoever is filling your head with this info is way off,, mark timmons will not start he might not be brought on in any game in fact his major operation I think will see him end his Laois senior career, his 32 and a double hip operation with him playing 2-3 club games means you start an intercounty game,, there's a reason lads start training in October to be ready for the summer, Tony good fellow your actually clueless and mr Broanabu has just proved it to all of us

I just checked there. Portlaoise have no outfield starters on the Laois team. A lad in Meath yesterday asked me how can that be right? I said I don't know.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on May 06, 2017, 01:43:33 PM
I cannot follow what Town1980 writes at times. He like everyone here is entitled to an opinion but for gods sake write it in plain English with full stops etc. From what i can decipher from your comments it seems as if your a Portlaoise man with some form of gripe since Lilis completed his tenure. You seem to have inside knowledge on what rules Creedon has implemented such as drink banns etc. Are you a part of the panel or has some connections with a member of the panel.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 06, 2017, 07:37:45 PM
Why have we taken on MASSIVE capital projects, when our on-the-field exploits are taking a nose-dive?

Why are dressing rooms being built in the COE, when OMP is right beside it?

I don't think the investment in top quality training pitches to be used as a training base for county teams is really optional. I'd back them on the COE.

On the other question, I was explaing the new COE to a fella from Connemara recently. I explained where it was etc and his reaction was "Oh go han mhaith! Smart move, so you don't need to waste money duplicating dressing rooms etc!".
And I went, "well, no we are building standalone dressing rooms!.......but err, ye, you have a point!".
I too am surprised at the apparent luxury we are undertaking in this area!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on May 06, 2017, 07:55:33 PM
The county board is now going to waste every penny in building top class facilities which they will have trouble funding.  They will allow the continual decline of all county teams and then  spin it to the public trying to say that centre of excellence is basically at the core of their thinking.  To be fair we do need to improve facilities but they should be a secondary part of the agenda of the county board.    Are strong county teams not the priority of any county?.   We are now looking at decreasing revenues while embarking on one of the biggest capital spends this county has ever conceived.  This is like the titanic departing Southampton.  I don't know if many agree with me on this but I foresee the Centre of Excellence being the altar on which our county teams are sacrificed. 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 06, 2017, 10:56:20 PM
It's one thing inheriting a problem from a previous regime, but it's another to simply build during a (sporting) recession.

Why not insert a few gates halfway down the wall between the CoE & OMP to allow the dressing rooms in OMP to be used?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: O moore parklife on May 07, 2017, 12:05:50 AM
The wall is gone they knocked it last week  ;D
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 08, 2017, 10:04:26 AM
The wall is gone they knocked it last week  ;D

Right. I'm great at suggesting things that have already happened., it appears.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: justinn on May 08, 2017, 11:50:15 AM
Challenge matches, Longford played Louth on Fri evening and Fermanagh Sunday.

Won both.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 08, 2017, 03:46:12 PM
How did Laois go against Clare?

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: GAA-SMART on May 08, 2017, 04:00:34 PM
Any word on how O Loughlin and Kingston are fairing? Will they be back fit for Longford
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 08, 2017, 05:06:22 PM
I hear both will be okay....Timmons will not be considered.

McMahon is touch and go
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: les Antiques on May 09, 2017, 09:48:42 AM
Beat Clare ,things moving along nicely . Donie s recovery on track and injury not as bad as first feared . Meaney being tried at centre back an interesting development.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: GAA-SMART on May 09, 2017, 09:53:24 AM
O loughlin has Dublin Championship this weekend, wonder is that on his agenda, he be a major loss for us for Longford.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 09, 2017, 11:46:40 AM
What was the team sheet like for the Clare game - did we win well?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on May 09, 2017, 03:43:00 PM
Meaney at centre back  .. suffering jaysus

Beating clare ina challenge means nothing ..

Longford have had a few challenge wins too

We're desperate low on man markers ..  timmons is a huge loss if he dosent make it back this year

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on May 09, 2017, 03:50:02 PM
Not ideal but in fairness to Kevin Meaney he wasn't the worst full back we ever had.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 09, 2017, 04:33:07 PM
I'd put Begley in at Centre Back - probably the most important position in modern football. He's experienced, he's smart, he has a lot of stamina but most importantly, he's not slow. The likes of Shane Julian and Lillis failed there because of their pace. A good team will run right through the centre, if your centre back and wing backs can be exploited like that. Begley has to go there for me. It's no time to be putting Meaney in there just before a big championship match in my opinion. Maybe Meaney on the wing. Strong / Begley / Meaney. Attride in the corner. We really are filling positions with lads who are not naturally suited to that position, but we're short in strength in depth, clearly. Meaney, ideally, should be a back up midfielder after JOL / Brendan, not a make shift centre back or wing back. But we have to do whatever to make do.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on May 09, 2017, 05:01:56 PM
I'd put Begley in at Centre Back - probably the most important position in modern football. He's experienced, he's smart, he has a lot of stamina but most importantly, he's not slow. The likes of Shane Julian and Lillis failed there because of their pace. A good team will run right through the centre, if your centre back and wing backs can be exploited like that. Begley has to go there for me. It's no time to be putting Meaney in there just before a big championship match in my opinion. Maybe Meaney on the wing. Strong / Begley / Meaney. Attride in the corner. We really are filling positions with lads who are not naturally suited to that position, but we're short in strength in depth, clearly. Meaney, ideally, should be a back up midfielder after JOL / Brendan, not a make shift centre back or wing back. But we have to do whatever to make do.

We have plenty of wing backs Dillon, O Connor,  O Reilly, Buggy all ahead of Meaney  leave him on the bench till the last 10mins.
Teams  are running through our halfback line because they're  up at the other end of the field getting turned over. Stay TF back and mark your man, if you'r  100% on top of him then and only then should you consider "bombing" up the field which in the case of most Laois backs at present is never.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on May 09, 2017, 05:12:23 PM
And because we are low on man markers, we have to experiment. We may have to experiment our way through the next number of years because we don't have obvious candidates for defensive positions, and even the ones that are obvious have been found out on occasion. It's just where we're at now. You would hope it won't always be this way but we have to be honest - they are just not there for one reason or another. Someone said it a long time ago back on Laoistalk. We have our moment rarely. We're not lucky enough to be contending all the time. You have to enjoy when it happens and you have to find a way to get through when you're low. You also have to find a way to improve things so that hopefully, one day, the good days become more frequent. We should look at our club scene first and foremost. To my eye, it's very poor and not producing good footballers.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on May 09, 2017, 05:23:44 PM
I'd put Begley in at Centre Back - probably the most important position in modern football. He's experienced, he's smart, he has a lot of stamina but most importantly, he's not slow. The likes of Shane Julian and Lillis failed there because of their pace. A good team will run right through the centre, if your centre back and wing backs can be exploited like that. Begley has to go there for me. It's no time to be putting Meaney in there just before a big championship match in my opinion. Maybe Meaney on the wing. Strong / Begley / Meaney. Attride in the corner. We really are filling positions with lads who are not naturally suited to that position, but we're short in strength in depth, clearly. Meaney, ideally, should be a back up midfielder after JOL / Brendan, not a make shift centre back or wing back. But we have to do whatever to make do.

We have plenty of wing backs Dillon, O Connor,  O Reilly, Buggy all ahead of Meaney  leave him on the bench till the last 10mins.
Teams  are running through our halfback line because they're  up at the other end of the field getting turned over. Stay TF back and mark your man, if you'r  100% on top of him then and only then should you consider "bombing" up the field which in the case of most Laois backs at present is never.

I don't think Meaney gets the respect he deserves. He lost his way under McNulty who saw a fine athlete and abused him. Prior to that, he was destroying midfielders in the Club Championship. He was class day after day. Those other players you mentioned wouldn't lace his boots on a going day, and I could well see how a coach would persist with Meaney. It's hard to defend his recent performances, but I could say that for all of them bar Donie. Whatever is in this current panel, and I don't think it's much to be honest, we should just let Creedon go for broke and see what he can do. If it doesn't work, we can spin the wheel again. I think a lot of the arguments on here and elsewhere are based on polar opposite ideas. Some lads see potential in this panel while I do not. I personally think we haven't a back to our name at the moment, so we're on the back foot before we even start. We have some 'nice' footballers out the field, but that's all they are. It would take a lot for this panel to take out the likes of Kildare for example, and that's hardly saying a whole pile.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: smcder on May 10, 2017, 10:12:54 AM
Beating clare ina challenge means nothing ..


Division 4 team beating a Division 2 team? 

They are above us at the moment because of what they have done on the pitch.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 10, 2017, 01:01:46 PM
Beating Clare was a boost I think Clare had their strongest team out.

Quigley was suppose to have been very good!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on May 10, 2017, 10:59:14 PM
It's better to win a challenge match than lose it but it's ridiculous to read anything into it ..

Great to hear Quigley is back though

I hope to see a fighting fit well organised team with a reactive mgmt team take the field on the 21st .. hope springs eternal



Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on May 11, 2017, 05:02:23 PM
I'd put Begley in at Centre Back - probably the most important position in modern football. He's experienced, he's smart, he has a lot of stamina but most importantly, he's not slow. The likes of Shane Julian and Lillis failed there because of their pace. A good team will run right through the centre, if your centre back and wing backs can be exploited like that. Begley has to go there for me. It's no time to be putting Meaney in there just before a big championship match in my opinion. Maybe Meaney on the wing. Strong / Begley / Meaney. Attride in the corner. We really are filling positions with lads who are not naturally suited to that position, but we're short in strength in depth, clearly. Meaney, ideally, should be a back up midfielder after JOL / Brendan, not a make shift centre back or wing back. But we have to do whatever to make do.

We have plenty of wing backs Dillon, O Connor,  O Reilly, Buggy all ahead of Meaney  leave him on the bench till the last 10mins.
Teams  are running through our halfback line because they're  up at the other end of the field getting turned over. Stay TF back and mark your man, if you'r  100% on top of him then and only then should you consider "bombing" up the field which in the case of most Laois backs at present is never.

I don't think Meaney gets the respect he deserves. He lost his way under McNulty who saw a fine athlete and abused him. Prior to that, he was destroying midfielders in the Club Championship. He was class day after day. Those other players you mentioned wouldn't lace his boots on a going day, and I could well see how a coach would persist with Meaney. It's hard to defend his recent performances, but I could say that for all of them bar Donie. Whatever is in this current panel, and I don't think it's much to be honest, we should just let Creedon go for broke and see what he can do. If it doesn't work, we can spin the wheel again. I think a lot of the arguments on here and elsewhere are based on polar opposite ideas. Some lads see potential in this panel while I do not. I personally think we haven't a back to our name at the moment, so we're on the back foot before we even start. We have some 'nice' footballers out the field, but that's all they are. It would take a lot for this panel to take out the likes of Kildare for example, and that's hardly saying a whole pile.

McNulty abused him ? can you explain.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 11, 2017, 07:14:56 PM
I'd put Begley in at Centre Back - probably the most important position in modern football. He's experienced, he's smart, he has a lot of stamina but most importantly, he's not slow. The likes of Shane Julian and Lillis failed there because of their pace. A good team will run right through the centre, if your centre back and wing backs can be exploited like that. Begley has to go there for me. It's no time to be putting Meaney in there just before a big championship match in my opinion. Maybe Meaney on the wing. Strong / Begley / Meaney. Attride in the corner. We really are filling positions with lads who are not naturally suited to that position, but we're short in strength in depth, clearly. Meaney, ideally, should be a back up midfielder after JOL / Brendan, not a make shift centre back or wing back. But we have to do whatever to make do.

We have plenty of wing backs Dillon, O Connor,  O Reilly, Buggy all ahead of Meaney  leave him on the bench till the last 10mins.
Teams  are running through our halfback line because they're  up at the other end of the field getting turned over. Stay TF back and mark your man, if you'r  100% on top of him then and only then should you consider "bombing" up the field which in the case of most Laois backs at present is never.

I don't think Meaney gets the respect he deserves. He lost his way under McNulty who saw a fine athlete and abused him. Prior to that, he was destroying midfielders in the Club Championship. He was class day after day. Those other players you mentioned wouldn't lace his boots on a going day, and I could well see how a coach would persist with Meaney. It's hard to defend his recent performances, but I could say that for all of them bar Donie. Whatever is in this current panel, and I don't think it's much to be honest, we should just let Creedon go for broke and see what he can do. If it doesn't work, we can spin the wheel again. I think a lot of the arguments on here and elsewhere are based on polar opposite ideas. Some lads see potential in this panel while I do not. I personally think we haven't a back to our name at the moment, so we're on the back foot before we even start. We have some 'nice' footballers out the field, but that's all they are. It would take a lot for this panel to take out the likes of Kildare for example, and that's hardly saying a whole pile.

McNulty abused him ? can you explain.
Id love to hear this too.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on May 11, 2017, 09:32:48 PM
Do you not remember the whole full back experiment? I'm all for experimenting with a player you want to use but can't find a position for but no need when a lad is on top of his game in his favoured place. Meaney was too honest and went along with it and arguably never came back from it. It makes me laugh reading this McNulty love in. He sent a Laois team out against Louth who couldn't even run because the y were so over trained. And he didn't become a politician overnight after leaving Laois. Nobody came looking for him.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 11, 2017, 09:36:51 PM
Do you not remember the whole full back experiment? I'm all for experimenting with a player you want to use but can't find a position for but no need when a lad is on top of his game in his favoured place. Meaney was too honest and went along with it and arguably never came back from it. It makes me laugh reading this McNulty love in. He sent a Laois team out against Louth who couldn't even run because the y were so over trained. And he didn't become a politician overnight after leaving Laois. Nobody came looking for him.
We had John O'Loughlin and Brendan Quigley at midfield. Meaney wasn't going to start there. He was asked to play full back, I don't recall him being chained to a stake on the edge of the square. Plenty of footballers have been asked to play out of position for the better of a team. If a Cormac McAnallen or Seamus Moynihan could do it, I don't think it was exactly an insult to try a Kevin Meaney there.

Never came back from it? Its not like he was winning All Stars before he moved back there.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on May 12, 2017, 12:56:38 AM
Your opinions Don. I don't share them. I always rated Kevin highly. All Stars are like hen's teeth in Laois so your last point is out of context. McNulty gambled to suit himself and failed.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: GAA-SMART on May 12, 2017, 09:18:29 AM
Your opinions Don. I don't share them. I always rated Kevin highly. All Stars are like hen's teeth in Laois so your last point is out of context. McNulty gambled to suit himself and failed.

Did O Loughlin play against Clare?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 12, 2017, 10:51:48 AM
mmm Meaney was playing well that year and I like digger as a player...I'd alway try and find a place for him I suppose Justin thought the same.

In hindsight it might not have done Kevin and favours but I don'r think it affected him after that season.

Still loads to offer if he keeps a cool head on the field.


I heard they played Limerick last night and Hammered them.Better than early in the year when the same Limerick team gave them a lesson in a friendly game.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Butch Cassidy on May 12, 2017, 11:37:30 AM
Johnno have club championship with Brigids this week?

What was the team?

Meaney on his day is a big player for Laois but needs to channel his aggresion. He has to start and could operate as a 3rd midfielder as Creedon likes this
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 12, 2017, 11:56:53 AM
Your opinions Don. I don't share them. I always rated Kevin highly. All Stars are like hen's teeth in Laois so your last point is out of context. McNulty gambled to suit himself and failed.
He gambled to suit the team. Meaney was a functional, hard working, honest to god midfielder, with questionable distribution. You're making him out to be Sean Cavanagh. He and Quigley should have sorted out their indiscipline a long time ago however, they both have that in common.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on May 12, 2017, 03:28:47 PM
Your opinions Don. I don't share them. I always rated Kevin highly. All Stars are like hen's teeth in Laois so your last point is out of context. McNulty gambled to suit himself and failed.
He gambled to suit the team. Meaney was a functional, hard working, honest to god midfielder, with questionable distribution. You're making him out to be Sean Cavanagh. He and Quigley should have sorted out their indiscipline a long time ago however, they both have that in common.

God far from it re: Kavanagh. I agree about the distribution and to be honest, some players are the players they are because they have an edge. I disagree with you about McNulty's decision. It was leftfield and Kevin suffered as a result in my opinion
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Clubber Lang on May 12, 2017, 05:24:16 PM
Meaney never had the discipline, decision-making or distribution to be a top midfielder. At club-level he will dominate due to his size and athleticism. However, at inter-county level to be a really top midfielder that is not enough. He also has a tendency to concede needless frees in scoring positions when tracking back which can be infuriating.

For those reasons McNulty tried something different with Kevin-with his size and physical attributes it was a no brainer to try him full back and he did reasonable well there that year. Laois recorded some impressive championship victories and pushed Dublin well in an All-Ireland Quarter Final and lost only to the concession of a deflected goal. I think it is worth trialing Meaney in a centre back position (not ideal I know on eve of first round of Leinster championship). He actually may be better suited to holding a centre back position and if he shows restraint from rushing in or trying to execute the 'big hit' he could be effective in that position. Too often over the last number of years, Laois have been torn asunder with teams simply running straight at them. As few other posters have identified-we need to be smarter defensively this year in the championship and hopefully this will be evidence in our opening game against Longford.   
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 12, 2017, 06:36:55 PM
I disagree with High Fielder on this one: a good player shouldn't be negatively affected by playing him out of position for a season or two. Kevin is a good lad and wants to play for Laois whether it's full back or full forward. Ideally of course in a perfect world he'd be in midfield. If you asked him if he was affected negatively by being tried out at FB he'd say no - he'll play anywhere. We all have our favourite positions but it's good to be versatile. The likes of JOL for example could do a job on the half-back line, midfield or half forward line, same with strong, attride and to a certain extent, Meaney. The way we are at the moment, we simply have to play our best players, even if it means playing them out of position. I see your point High Fielder but in our position with lack of strength in depth, sometimes it must be done. I really don't see it as McNulty "abusing" Kevin; rather he tried him at FB due to lack of many options and had mixed results.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: justinn on May 12, 2017, 07:49:57 PM
Maybe team v Longford.?
Brody
Strong
Booth
Kelly
Attrite
Meaney
Begley
O loughlin
Quigley
Donoher
O Carroll
O Connor
P Kingston
D Kingston
D Conway
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 12, 2017, 11:54:34 PM
How many brothers have started for Laois seniors together, even in the past 30 years?

Irwins, Turleys, Lawlors, Kellys, Kingstons, Conways, Brownes, Prendergasts, O'Briens?, Delaneys......any others?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ollie12 on May 13, 2017, 07:37:03 AM
Dempsey's from Joseph's and Rowes from The Heath.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Heshs Umpire on May 13, 2017, 09:23:12 AM
How many brothers have started for Laois seniors together, even in the past 30 years?

Irwins, Turleys, Lawlors, Kellys, Kingstons, Conways, Brownes, Prendergasts, O'Briens?, Delaneys......any others?
Damien and Ruairi O'Connor? Possibly two Rooneys from Clonaslee, maybe Mark and Declan.
Two Begleys.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on May 13, 2017, 02:35:48 PM
How many brothers have started for Laois seniors together, even in the past 30 years?

Irwins, Turleys, Lawlors, Kellys, Kingstons, Conways, Brownes, Prendergasts, O'Briens?, Delaneys......any others?
Damien and Ruairi O'Connor? Possibly two Rooneys from Clonaslee, maybe Mark and Declan.
Two Begleys.
Damien and Ruairi are not brothers
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on May 13, 2017, 02:43:19 PM
Do you not remember the whole full back experiment? I'm all for experimenting with a player you want to use but can't find a position for but no need when a lad is on top of his game in his favoured place. Meaney was too honest and went along with it and arguably never came back from it. It makes me laugh reading this McNulty love in. He sent a Laois team out against Louth who couldn't even run because the y were so over trained. And he didn't become a politician overnight after leaving Laois. Nobody came looking for him.
We had John O'Loughlin and Brendan Quigley at midfield. Meaney wasn't going to start there. He was asked to play full back, I don't recall him being chained to a stake on the edge of the square. Plenty of footballers have been asked to play out of position for the better of a team. If a Cormac McAnallen or Seamus Moynihan could do it, I don't think it was exactly an insult to try a Kevin Meaney there.

Never came back from it? Its not like he was winning All Stars before he moved back there.

John O Keeffe Sean Walsh Seamus Moynihan Tommy Griffin and Aidan O Mahony ..... 14 or 15 All Ireland's not bad and not a natural fullback among them.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on May 13, 2017, 05:07:17 PM
Firstly that's debatable. Secondly they had more than enough around them to compensate. It was obvious enough in challenge matches that Kevin wasn't comfortable there but McNulty persisted. John O'Loughlin, as fine a player as he is, wouldn't be the best possession getter. Kevin was at that time. Anyway, the general consensus is that it was worth trying. Rather than rocking the boat until it capsizes, let's just agree to disagree
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on May 15, 2017, 12:31:45 AM
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Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 15, 2017, 02:59:19 PM
God it's come around quick....

Few things I heard about the Limerick game last weekend.

James Finn and Quigley were midfield and were very good together Finn picking up a lot of breaks and distributing long with that monster kick of his to the full forward line where Paul Donie and Evan O'Carroll were in fine form.

O'Loughlin did play at Centre forward and was also very good.

Damien O'Connor was good at corner back and Attride was in fine form at number five.


No sure what shape Limerick were in but its a far cry better than what we seen in Jan against the same opposition .



Begley ,Strong and McMahon didn't play not sure about the first two but heard from a Ballyroan man yesterday Pauric will be doing very well to make the weekend.

O'Loughlin played for his Dublin club at the weekend and I think they won!

My Team

                       BRODY
STRONG       BOOTH     O'CONNOR
ATTRIDE      MEANEY    DILLION/BUGGIE
           O'LOUGHLIN   QUIGLEY

DONOHER O'CARROLL  BEGLEY

D.KINGSTON O'CARROLL P.KINGSTON

That leaves
KEHOE(keeper mountmellick)
WALSH
MCMAHON
FINN
MOORE
KELLY
COLLINS
FARRELL
DILLION/BUGGIE
LUTTRELL

Sorry if I missed anyone I know O'Reilly has left the squad ...Haven't heard much about David Conway or Ambrose Doran for a few weeks either so not sure if they are still there..

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 15, 2017, 03:12:01 PM
Nothing against the personnel, but it says a lot about where we are at if we're going into championship with those 6 "backs" lined up as they are. Whatever about Creedon, there isn't a manager on the planet who could wire a team or a defensive unit/plan around 1, 2 at best, natural backs in a backline.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 15, 2017, 05:02:03 PM
Nothing against the personnel, but it says a lot about where we are at if we're going into championship with those 6 "backs" lined up as they are. Whatever about Creedon, there isn't a manager on the planet who could wire a team or a defensive unit/plan around 1, 2 at best, natural backs in a backline.

Whilst I agree

If mcmahon does make it and Begley goes back there it could be a different story you will have
Booth
McMahon
Begley
Attride as all natrual backs

Strong has played enough there in last 8 years at intercounty level to be okay for a Longford and O'Connor is a decent option there because of his speed alone...

Buggie Dillion and Collins are not bad options either.

Love to have  Timmons ,Merdith (can play defensive role as under mcnulty) O'Leary Robbie Kehoe and Healy to pick from there but alas its not to be!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 16, 2017, 11:21:50 AM
I hope a decent crowd gets up to support the lads...

Yes they have been poor all year but it could all change.

I for one can't wait for it!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on May 16, 2017, 12:00:33 PM
Surely conway is still involved .. after donie he was our best player in the league
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on May 16, 2017, 05:25:19 PM
Surely conway is still involved .. after donie he was our best player in the league

Lillis  ??
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on May 17, 2017, 09:16:28 AM
I'd have Davy Conway in before Paul Kingston every dayof the week.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: les Antiques on May 17, 2017, 11:27:03 AM
I know Conway is still around and will likely start Sunday . One interesting option that' has been used in recent practice matches and was also evident last night at the training centre was the ploy of getting Finn on the loose ball and launching huge kicks into Donie and OCarroll in the FF line . Keeping those two in there will be crucial and resisting the temptation to bring either out when things don't go to plan elsewhere .
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on May 17, 2017, 11:41:57 AM
One of O'Carrolls strengths is running at the opposition which he can do much better from the half forward line. He's very important to the team but not sure if pumping balls into himself and Kingston is the answer.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: les Antiques on May 17, 2017, 11:43:43 AM
I agree it's not the answer but it's an option we have if done properly.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: les Antiques on May 17, 2017, 11:46:36 AM
Also he adds a bit of strength in the FF line which eases the burden on Kingston .
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Giovanni on May 17, 2017, 12:29:27 PM
I hope our defensive plan is a little more sophisticated than the offensive plan appears to be..........
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 17, 2017, 12:36:06 PM
I hope our defensive plan is a little more sophisticated than the offensive plan appears to be..........

 ;D

Don't under-rate simplicity.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on May 17, 2017, 01:14:44 PM
Is it possible to see the lads training ?

Are the sessions not closed off ?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Clubber Lang on May 17, 2017, 01:32:21 PM
Sometimes the best laid plans are the most obvious ones- I would much rather a game plan of getting the ball quickly into the likes of Kingston and O'Carroll than seeing our midfielders, half backs try carry the ball whole way up field, get dispossessed and leave us totally exposed to the counter-attack. Most teams are set up now to filter players back so it is essential we move ball quickly and provide Donie with as many chances to get on ball-realistically our hopes lie with him and the other forwards chipping in and contributing. A forward line containing Conway, Walsh, Kingston, O'Carroll, Finn, Donagher is as good as any in Leinster (outside of Dublin).  Midfield of O'Loughlin and Quigley should be able to compete with most midfield pairings. Our Achilles heal which is our defense never really functioned in the league-Strong while very good on the ball and going forward has never been solid defensively, We have no established centre back that instills confidence or security. Word has it that Meaney has a good chance of starting in this position. Timmons will be a huge loss to the full-back line and Booth has struggled in fast paced championship games-no doubt Longford will look to exploit us moving with speed down the central channels. I'm optimistic Laois can prevail by 4/5 points-I genuinely think this Laois team is seeking some form of redemption to atone for a horrendous league campaign. It might drive them to perform beyond what we have witnessed the last number of years in the championship.   
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 17, 2017, 01:49:08 PM
I hope our defensive plan is a little more sophisticated than the offensive plan appears to be..........

Whilst I agree the one thing Finn has is that master weapon of a long kick ...Its amazing the distance and accuracy he can get.

Really benefits his club where he can boom balls into that tall full forward they have.


I know Donie loves the type of quick early ball Finn can produce.

Hearing Longford are confident of beating Laois from an excounty player of theres he reckons Laois are the best draw in Leinster they could have got.....

...Always thought Longford were too big for their boots kinda of think they have this tradition...Which in my life time they don't...

Get these lads bate !!!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 02:16:11 PM
I know Conway is still around and will likely start Sunday . One interesting option that' has been used in recent practice matches and was also evident last night at the training centre was the ploy of getting Finn on the loose ball and launching huge kicks into Donie and OCarroll in the FF line . Keeping those two in there will be crucial and resisting the temptation to bring either out when things don't go to plan elsewhere .
Thats a fine and agricultural game plan, I like it. May I suggest we give Brody hognail boots as well, might get to the half forward line with the kick outs.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 17, 2017, 03:52:10 PM
I know Conway is still around and will likely start Sunday . One interesting option that' has been used in recent practice matches and was also evident last night at the training centre was the ploy of getting Finn on the loose ball and launching huge kicks into Donie and OCarroll in the FF line . Keeping those two in there will be crucial and resisting the temptation to bring either out when things don't go to plan elsewhere .
Thats a fine and agricultural game plan, I like it. May I suggest we give Brody hognail boots as well, might get to the half forward line with the kick outs.



 ;D ;D ;D ;D....John O'Leary specials......

I remember the Scully lad that played in goals for Ballyroan used to wear them boots years ago and had an unnatural belt of the football
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 17, 2017, 04:09:18 PM
Remember though that a posters perception of the tactics are not the full extent of the tactics. Kicking it fast into one of the most lethal full forwards in the country sounds like a good idea, but I'm pretty sure we have more than that as discussed  options. Here's hoping we do anyway  :)

Can't wait for the game now at this point. I hate the league anyway. Championship is where it's at and has been for some time. Expectations are low, just how laois like it. Let's see what we can do, a lot of questions answered on Sunday.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on May 18, 2017, 12:40:28 AM
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Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: O moore parklife on May 18, 2017, 08:41:07 AM
Looking forward to the panel being named tonight is lillis out injured or what's the craic.
Also out of the country anybody know if sky or eir will be broadcasting
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 09:08:17 AM
Looking forward to the panel being named tonight is lillis out injured or what's the craic.
Also out of the country anybody know if sky or eir will be broadcasting
Eir dont broadcast Cship. No, thankfully we look like we might be off the TV for a bit. After the league, I think our current fall has gotten enough tv coverage. If we deserve it by getting to the latter stages of the Championship, we'll be on tv plenty. Jack on M103 will have to do you for this one.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on May 18, 2017, 09:56:38 AM
Thoughts?

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/05/18/laois-v-longford-take-look-selection-decisions-facing-management/ (http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/05/18/laois-v-longford-take-look-selection-decisions-facing-management/)
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 18, 2017, 10:00:29 AM
Really looking forward to this now!! 8)

You can't beat Championship now matter how your year was previous to that.

Love to beat Longford and set up a craic at Kildare.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 18, 2017, 10:04:40 AM
Thoughts?

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/05/18/laois-v-longford-take-look-selection-decisions-facing-management/ (http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/05/18/laois-v-longford-take-look-selection-decisions-facing-management/)


I would think Meaney or Finn will start midfield and Begley will start wing back to cover for attride when going forward.

Farrell might loose out.

Other than that team is not far off it..

Moore Dillion and Collins are suppose to be pushing hard for a starting birth and flying it in training and the practice games!

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 10:06:49 AM
Thoughts?

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/05/18/laois-v-longford-take-look-selection-decisions-facing-management/ (http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/05/18/laois-v-longford-take-look-selection-decisions-facing-management/)


I would think Meaney or Finn will start midfield and Begley will start wing back to cover for attride when going forward.

Farrell might loose out.

Other than that team is not far off it..

Moore Dillion and Collins are suppose to be pushing hard for a birth and flying it in training and the practice games!
Hard to see them being available for Sunday so  ;D
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 18, 2017, 10:25:38 AM
Thoughts?

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/05/18/laois-v-longford-take-look-selection-decisions-facing-management/ (http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/05/18/laois-v-longford-take-look-selection-decisions-facing-management/)


I would think Meaney or Finn will start midfield and Begley will start wing back to cover for attride when going forward.

Farrell might loose out.

Other than that team is not far off it..

Moore Dillion and Collins are suppose to be pushing hard for a birth and flying it in training and the practice games!
Hard to see them being available for Sunday so  ;D


If Roy Keane was in charge they would...."Robbie isn't breast feeding is he " ha ha..a classic...

Back to the topic in hand anyone know why David Conway has slipped down the radar in the 5 league games I saw he was one of our best performers or did he pick up a knock?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on May 18, 2017, 10:40:57 AM
I hope dillon and farrell start .. the team is crying out for some pace

I definitely wouldnt be starting meaney after his league indiscipline but could be a good impact sub

Conway would be a big loss

Ive really no idea what to expect but as it could be the last year for a few of them id be hoping theyll go
out all guns blazing.. we were definitely the better team in the league clash
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Jellyfish on May 18, 2017, 07:33:34 PM
Team to be announced tommorow night. Wonder has many left the panel
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 19, 2017, 02:34:22 PM
Small preview of the game VS Longford, with Stephen Attride:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN9_XGBNub0


Also, another small preview with Peter Creedon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYh0RLRAyE4


And John O' Loughlin speaking to Wooly about the setup this year and the match Sunday (Starts at 20:45):

https://soundcloud.com/sportsjoe-gaa-hour/john-oloughlin-interview-aidan-oshea-witch-hunt-full-fwd-line-tutorial
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on May 19, 2017, 05:55:34 PM
Good interview with Johnno .. seems to speak genuinely highly of Creedon ..

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: justinn on May 19, 2017, 09:10:15 PM
Laois Senior Football Manager Peter Creedon has announced his starting 15 for Sunday's Leinster SFC opener with Longford in Portlaoise.



1. Graham Brody (Portlaoise)

2. Damien O'Connor (Timahoe)

3. Denis Booth (The Heath)

4. Padraig McMahon (Ballyroan Abbey)

5. Darren Strong (Emo)

6. Colm Begley (Stradbally)

7. Stephen Attride (Killeshin)

8. Brendan Quigley (Timahoe)

9. Kevin Meaney (Arles-Kilcruise)

10. Alan Farrell (Ballylinan)

11. David Conway (Arles-Kilcruise)

12. Niall Donoher (Courtwood)

13. Evan O'Carroll (Crettyard)

14. Donal Kingston (Arles Killeen)

15. John O'Loughlin (St Brigid's)


Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 19, 2017, 09:33:42 PM
Strong enough looking side, however, I think our FB line looks suspect. Not sure if McMahon has the speed for corner back and might get ran at easily. D'OC - Corner back isn't really his best position but can do a job and has pace and DBooth really is our 2nd choice FB and would do better in the corner. Anyway, we gotta go with it as we're still missing a few. From Half backline out, we look strong and I'm happy Colm Begley is named at 6 as he has the experience, stamina and satisfactory pace for the position.

Hopefully Kevin can put up a better showing vs his indiscipline in the league as he wont be happy with his performances and can offer a lot more. Dillon has been playing very well in challenge games so it's surprising he's not named - not really sure how fit Padraig is for the game.

As for forward line, it looks strong but would have Walsh in instead of Farrell - maybe he's carrying a knock. All in all, not a bad looking side and I really hope we can gel well on Sunday and put that hard training to good use. Longford are no pushovers but I predict Laois by 2.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Jellyfish on May 19, 2017, 11:02:10 PM
Side looks decent. However, I think Walsh should be in, and Lillis aswell maybe, dont know if  they are injured though or what. Hopefully the boys can do it on Sunday. Think they will win by 3-4 points
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on May 20, 2017, 01:57:26 PM
macmahon wont start at corner back,,and there is also changes to the team so that is a dummy team that has been named,,,als not rosy at the minute but i hope we get a performance tmw result i think longford will win by 3 i DONT want this to happen  but again i wont hide my disapointment at the set up,,,all will come out next week im sure,,best of luck to laois
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unison on May 20, 2017, 02:21:35 PM
macmahon wont start at corner back,,and there is also changes to the team so that is a dummy team that has been named,,,als not rosy at the minute but i hope we get a performance tmw result i think longford will win by 3 i DONT want this to happen  but again i wont hide my disapointment at the set up,,,all will come out next week im sure,,best of luck to laois

English please?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Heshs Umpire on May 20, 2017, 04:31:16 PM
i think longford will win by 3 i DONT want this to happen
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on May 20, 2017, 04:57:41 PM
Can you not read unison????
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on May 20, 2017, 05:20:35 PM
Your obviously privy to some insider info town1980 .. i hope your wrong ..

If the camp isnt unified they'll get done tomorrow


Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 20, 2017, 09:06:36 PM
Can you not read unison????
Can you not write so good?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on May 20, 2017, 10:51:16 PM
No I've been saying the camp isn't unified all year sure,, I do hope we get a result it's needed badly
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 21, 2017, 12:31:24 PM
In all fairness when has the side been completely unified? Micko? Kearns? Dempsey? Cribben? No, not even then.

Stop talking shite town1980, the word I'm getting is the players are enjoying the setup and working very hard. That's the general consensus from the group, there will always be one or two unhappy with any setup.

Laois to put in a good hungry performance and to win narrowly. See ye at the match.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Helix on May 21, 2017, 05:08:25 PM
macmahon wont start at corner back,,and there is also changes to the team so that is a dummy team that has been named,,,als not rosy at the minute but i hope we get a performance tmw result i think longford will win by 3 i DONT want this to happen  but again i wont hide my disapointment at the set up,,,all will come out next week im sure,,best of luck to laois

All's not rosy yet they can still come out with a performance like that. Great win. Badly needed. Roll on Kildare!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on May 21, 2017, 05:45:33 PM
I kept my mouth shut in the lead up to this match.  I did toy with the idea of having a bet on Longford but decided against it once I seen the Laois team,  I am not so sure we are any better than we have been in the league.  Personally I think this result is a false one and we will find it extremely hard against Kildare.  Just cannot see us getting close.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on May 21, 2017, 05:56:55 PM
Thats telling you wholeheartedly agree with original poster, we won't beat Longford by the way.

I kept my mouth shut in the lead up to this match.

No you didn't. You said we won't beat Longford
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Nameless on May 21, 2017, 06:29:05 PM
Lads, just ignore anyone hoping that we'll lose, not worth the time.

That was much better than all the league games obviously. We played well at stages, got a few great goals and dominated midfield for the most part. Our defence looked like it could be opened up and it was at times in the first half. That's going to be our problem. Begley, Quigley and the 2 Kingstons were the stand outs I thought with a good few others having decent games. Let's hope Attride's injury isn't too bad but it looked like a re-occurrence. We need him and Timmons back the next day as it will be a big step up.
Very nice to get so many nice scores and our forward play looked good. Let's build on it, tighten up things and the back and see how we get on against Kildare.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 21, 2017, 06:31:29 PM
macmahon wont start at corner back,,and there is also changes to the team so that is a dummy team that has been named,,,als not rosy at the minute but i hope we get a performance tmw result i think longford will win by 3 i DONT want this to happen  but again i wont hide my disapointment at the set up,,,all will come out next week im sure,,best of luck to laois

Dummy team didn't do too bad. Longford by 3?

Given your unbelievably strong record at predicting outcomes and insight into the setup, can you tell us when 'all will come out this week' specifically?

I thought Laois looked unified and played with calmness and purpose. We will be up against it with Kildare for sure - they will be hot favorites. There were some strong individual performances today and the decision making and passing has come on hugely. Then again, Creedon is playing with a stronger and fitter deck than he had in the league. In particular, O'Carroll, Quigley, MacMahon and fit versions of Begley and O'Loughlin made a big impact. Defensive organization is improving but we still lack tight defenders that can tackle.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on May 21, 2017, 07:27:19 PM
Wasn't there today but that's a fairly comprehensive victory albeit by goals.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on May 21, 2017, 08:11:35 PM
Thats telling you wholeheartedly agree with original poster, we won't beat Longford by the way.

I kept my mouth shut in the lead up to this match.

No you didn't. You said we won't beat Longford

I meant in the last couple of days before hand,  either ways it doesn't matter.  I suppose it's a fill-up to those who think all is honky dory.  I do remember it was the same last year after the Dublin game.  Personally wasn't blown away today we got goals at the right time.  Don't think we will be beating Kildare, you all know my thoughts on the manager.   See you after Kildare match.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Nameless on May 21, 2017, 08:16:43 PM
Don't respond. That's exactly what he wants, probably a lily living in Laois.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unison on May 21, 2017, 08:18:33 PM
Thats telling you wholeheartedly agree with original poster, we won't beat Longford by the way.

I kept my mouth shut in the lead up to this match.

No you didn't. You said we won't beat Longford

I meant in the last couple of days before hand,  either ways it doesn't matter.  I suppose it's a fill-up to those who think all is honky dory.  I do remember it was the same last year after the Dublin game.  Personally wasn't blown away today we got goals at the right time.  Don't think we will be beating Kildare, you all know my thoughts on the manager.   See you after Kildare match.

It's disappointing when Laois men want to see Laois teams beaten.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on May 21, 2017, 08:19:28 PM
Thats telling you wholeheartedly agree with original poster, we won't beat Longford by the way.

I kept my mouth shut in the lead up to this match.

No you didn't. You said we won't beat Longford

I meant in the last couple of days before hand,  either ways it doesn't matter.  I suppose it's a fill-up to those who think all is honky dory.  I do remember it was the same last year after the Dublin game.  Personally wasn't blown away today we got goals at the right time.  Don't think we will be beating Kildare, you all know my thoughts on the manager.   See you after Kildare match.
I doubt if anyone expects us to beat Kildare. You, on the other hand, seem to hope we get hammered. Each to their own I suppose.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on May 21, 2017, 08:23:34 PM
Why fool ourselves we have been doing it for awhile now.  If knocking around the early rounds of Leinster is where you want to be by all means keep going the way we are.  Personally I feel this county is capable of a lot more.   Always the same here getting a nothing result, everything is ok = do nothing for another year.  I am sick of limping along we have been doing it for years  this county had some aspirations.  Enjoy the trip to Ruislip sure it will be great crack for me that is some sickener.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: County Man on May 21, 2017, 08:27:53 PM
Well done Laois on a fine win today.

Much improved fitness levels, good accuracy and some great goals.

Great to see Eoin Buggie, James Kelly and Sean Moore get their championships debuts.

4-11 from play is pretty impressive. Longford are no pushovers.

Much better discipline as well. A good range of scorers today.

Obviously Kildare will be a big step up but we hopefully will give it a good rattle.

Laois ABU
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ollie12 on May 21, 2017, 09:07:11 PM
Great result. 4-11 from play.  11 different scorers.  A few championship debuts. A few lads getting a good 70 minutes of championship fitness after injuries. Dominated midfield. Looked fitter and sharper-All positives.  Looked like we  could be cut open at the back. No defensive plan. Another injury to attride-all negatives. Now for kildare . Yes kildare will be favourites and rightly so but we can give them enough of it if we get going early and put them on the back foot. In order to get a result we'll have to get a defensive plan in place or else you could see kildare getting 20+ scores. Hopefully a championship match will stand to us and kildare will be a bit rusty.  Looking forward to it. Well done to the panel and management today.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 21, 2017, 09:23:41 PM
Huge step up compared to the league today. Night and day difference. As a lot of people said, the injuries made a huge difference in the league. If we had that team today in the League we'd have done a lot better in the league. I don't think anyone can suggest otherwise and keep a straight face.

I still think we'll be 6-8 points off Kildare, as, in my opinion, we're still carrying 4-5 passengers. No offence to these players, they're trying hard, but they don't have the ability.

 Very encouraging performance though overall and some excellent individual performances. I think I was proven correct : the squad is hungry and unifed. As I said, there are always one or two unhappy, so I believe Town1980 was referring to a small couple rather than a widespread issue. It would be nice of him to say that but I guess he likes stirring  :-X . We all know who could be unhappy about not being selected etc. Everyone else on that panel was hungry today and it showed. Of course we're not world beaters but we look relatively fit, committed and we'll give it our best all day.

As always, what more can we ask?

Anyway, top performers for me today:

BRODY - 8. Solid 'keeper as always. Some courageous runs (and you can hear everyone holding their breath when he runs like that) but excellent, accurate kick outs. Made a couple of good saves and was marshalling the defence throughout.

D. KINGSTON - 9. Donie is class enough to be on any panel in the country. He showed great attitude today and maturity. Took his goal very well and was a thorn for Longford all day.

B. QUIGLEY - 8 With the advent of the mark, Brendan is a real asset for Laois, more than ever. Great fielder of the ball and is showing real maturity in terms of his discipline. There was a time you could look at Brendan the wrong way and he'd see red. Now he's working hard, getting in good positions, good defensively and he was head an shoulders above anyone at midfield today.

JOL - 8 John was excellent today, even from when he was in the FF line. Constantly showing for the ball and some warrior. Invaluable.

BEGLEY - 8 Fantastic on and off the ball, a real athlete. Gives great instruction and is a real leader. Took control of the match at important times today. Scored a good point at an important time.

Some notable mentions include Dennis Booth who looked assured, Attride who was tigerish until he got injured and Paul Kingston who got a very important 2-1 from play.

All in all, a very good day at the office. Longford aren't a bad team. We beat them by 11 points. Not saying we're winning Leinsters and we've a lot of defensive work to do (tracking runners / discipline in the tackle / positioning, but days like today are to be enjoyed in Laois and well done to all involved.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 21, 2017, 09:48:44 PM
Thats telling you wholeheartedly agree with original poster, we won't beat Longford by the way.

I kept my mouth shut in the lead up to this match.

No you didn't. You said we won't beat Longford

I meant in the last couple of days before hand,  either ways it doesn't matter.  I suppose it's a fill-up to those who think all is honky dory.  I do remember it was the same last year after the Dublin game.  Personally wasn't blown away today we got goals at the right time.  Don't think we will be beating Kildare, you all know my thoughts on the manager.   See you after Kildare match.

It's disappointing when Laois men want to see Laois teams beaten.

We're our own worst enemies sometimes.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on May 21, 2017, 11:03:58 PM
Tony I agree with your post whole heartedly
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 21, 2017, 11:39:07 PM
Good win, good score, good spread of scorers.

All I ever looked for from a well resourced management was that Laois would look fit, be disciplined and beat teams they should be beating- Longford being in that category.
That looks to have happened.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on May 22, 2017, 12:31:27 AM
Great win and for once I thought our defending was fairly good. We didn't stand off lads as much as we have been and met some lads full on when they came running at us and we stood our ground well.

One thing I noticed today which has improved the team is the quality of ball to the full forward line, it was mostly into the space in front of lads rather than straight down on top of them and we made great use of that possession throughout the game. Donie tends to give off ball quicker when Paul is on the team as he tends to overplay it normally and loses a lot of ball. That is a major positive and it created a lot of chances for us today.

On the negative side we coughed up a big lead while playing with a strong breeze and a few heads were going down until we got those two goals before half time. We don't seem to be able to hold on to a lead and letting Longford back into it was sometimes down to silly, lazy play and giving the ball away too easily.

Brody will get caught soon coming out like that and there really is no need for him to be out around the midfield area, ok, come out and help out the defence if they need you but don't forget what you primary duty is. He got dispossessed on one occasion in the second half and it could have been very embarrassing only the referee gave him a free for a foul that some ref's wouldn't give.
 
Overall it was great to see the spread of scores we got and our play looked sharp and decisive. Our defending was good and we didn't let them walk through us as we had been doing previously. Probably wont be good enough for Kildare but it wont be for lack of effort from these guys..

On another note how is it that O'Moore park is big enough to hold Dublin v Carlow this year when it was NOT big enough to hold Dublin v Laois last year .. ????
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Giovanni on May 22, 2017, 11:56:51 AM
It's quite a long time since we've given a half-decent team a good trimming so it was very satisfying to see that performance yesterday. Longford are not a bad team and we dealt with them very well.

The forward play in particular was exceptionally good and the goals were brilliantly worked (especially Farrell's). Again, it's been a while since we've seen that quality going forward. Donie was very good - Gilleran is really a fine full-back but he wasn't able to cope at all. Great to see.  The midfield was very strong too and Quigley's distribution was very good. Begley was also superb, especially in the second half.

I thought the full-back line looked shaky enough at times, especially in the first half, and I didn't think Damien O Connor looked fit.

Although he played well enough, I'm not sure how fit Evan is either. Hard to know how much the injury took out of all these lads.

Anyway, it was a great result and a very good performance. Well done to all.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 22, 2017, 12:10:24 PM
For those who missed the match itself or the Sunday Game on TV last night, here's a quick video recap on the match :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr7AcBzfqpA&t=1s&spfreload=10

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: GAA-SMART on May 22, 2017, 02:53:54 PM
Can't help but feel annoyed over the Dublin Carlow fixture being fixed for Portlaoise, by right we should say no to hosting it. Play it in Carlow let them have there day in the sun.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 22, 2017, 03:04:30 PM
Can't help but feel annoyed over the Dublin Carlow fixture being fixed for Portlaoise, by right we should say no to hosting it. Play it in Carlow let them have there day in the sun.
That noise you hear is Declan O Loughlins head exploding.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 22, 2017, 03:25:16 PM
Play it in Laois and get a bit of much needed cash for the local economy, let's not get daft about it. Looking at approx 15,000 at that match. Last year is over, at least now Dublin will have played in OMP, so in years to come, surely Laois will host Dublin here too. Leave it be, it'll be great for all concerned to bring the Dubs to town once they don't cause a fuss. I fear for Carlow though if the dubs go to town on them.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Joeythelips on May 22, 2017, 04:05:12 PM
Few comments.

Living abroad means i don't get to see much of the team but radio commentary, results and opinions help paint a decent picture. On this board the opinions are usually divided between negative ones and realistic ones. Some say the set up is poor, some say our players are not good enough. Judging from what i could gather from yesterdays performance and what i hear from player interviews etc is that the Laois footballers are trying their level best to represent Laois and bring some glory to the county. A lot of our players are very experienced, JOL for one has played under a lot of different management set-ups for club, county and 3rd level so when he speaks highly of the management set-up and training methods it represents a good gauge in my book. Also the fact that laois have performed so poorly in the league for the past few years suggests we do lack the talent. We have good players for sure but overall results are the ultimate leveller.

Some posters on here were expecting Longford to beat Laois which going on recent league and championship performances and results you would have to say would not have been a shock.  We won our championship game, and lets face it thats when it really matters. Wexford had a fine league but Im sure they could not give a toss about it today. The fact that we won is rightly celebrated and well done on players and management for delivering a championship victory, next up we face Kildare, a team on an upward curve who won promotion to Div 1. A div 1 team will be a huge step up for laois, but if everyone is fit and we give it everything there is no reason why we cant cause an upset.   

Thanks for the video post Tony, us ex-pats sometimes struggle to get to watch even highlights for example the only way to watch highlights of the games is to purchase the Sunday Game on GAA Go (the programme on RTE player is restricted overseas even using VPNs) so although may people in Ireland dont like the sky deal, i love it as i can watch the some championship action.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Giovanni on May 22, 2017, 10:01:38 PM
Funny how things go very quiet in here after a good performance.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 22, 2017, 10:33:28 PM
I know Giovanni. But most people are feeling positive after that performance I'd say. Maybe a few are still worse for wear after enjoying the win.

I personally think we're about 4-5 good players short of beating Kildare. A lot of our players are still in their prime years (in my opinion prime years are 24-31). We have a nucleus of a good team, it's just a pity we have some passengers. No offence, they try their hardest but against the big teams we might be carrying them.

The likes of begley, two Kingstons, quig, jol, evan o c, strong, brody, attride are all fantastic players, I just wish we had timmons back and healy while we're at it, we're just a few players shy of having a real go in my opinion.

I hope I'm wrong on that. Still, very enjoyable to see everyone giving their all. Strenght in depth just will be our downfall, I predict. Never know.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on May 22, 2017, 10:40:55 PM
Tullamore is nothing but misery for Laois in recent times. Much prefer to be playing them in Carlow. Good win yesterday down to the goals and we'll need as many again if we're to have any chance against Kildare.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 23, 2017, 10:34:47 AM
We win and some lads are still giving out...Sure that's Laois for you.

I enjoyed the performance I thought we were brave and composed on the ball and altho we lack natural backs we did defend well as a system at times.

Here's my ratings

Again I state this is just personal opinion and I respect every player who puts on the blue and white Jersey!


BRODY 9:A superb stop at a crucial time in the first half.Some great runs forward but he needs to be careful against Kildare.His kickouts and all around general play make him a top goalie and he is a great foundation for the team despite being in his early 20's

STRONG 8:Had a decent game his passing was superb and he made two of the goals with a lovely pass to Donie for Paul's second and his awareness for Alan Farrell's goal was a thing of beauty.Not the best defensively but was powerful in the tackle at times today more so than in the league when lads walked past him.

BOOTH 7:Done some things well winning one great ball at the start of the second half but looked shakey other times.He wasn't a good as he was in the league but was on Mickey Quinn for large spells and he didn't score so that's a feather in his cap.

O'CONNOR 6:Was on Robbie Smyth who gave him a terrible time but Smith would and will do this to many corner backs as he is a great talent.O'Connor will bounce back tho and have better days.He left everything on the pitch in the 33 minutes he was on and has a great attitude.

BUGGIE 7:Took his point very well it was such a composed finish where other lads might panic.Needs to tighten up defensively and be stronger in the tackle but he is a player that's improving with games and certainly proved why he was picked to start.

ATTRIDE 7:Not his lung bursting best when on the field but I wonder was injury holding him back?Still his pace is crucial to the back line and he done well with most things coming out with some good ball.I hope his injury isn't too bad we will need him the next day!

McMAHON 8:What a joy it is to have him back a superb score great running with the ball and good defensively he is still a class player and its just so good to see him around.Never seems to have a bad game.

QUIGLEY 9:Brendan gave a master class in midfield winning his battle with the monster of a man that Keegan is.He won everyball that Brody found him with and more.Scored a fortunate point but it came from the great early ball he was kicking in to Donie.Did well to hold his displine when number 21 was trying to do him.

BEGLEY 9:Why this man gets criticized after games I'll never know I rarely see him play a bad game for Laois.Strong on the ball never gives it away.Probably our best tackler in all areas of the pitch.Two great shoulders in the second half one after another to win the ball back summed up his day.Always good for a point aswell.

FARRELL 7:Took his goal well and done a lot of work off the ball.A few bad decisions on the ball but that can be rectified.Needs to learn to close players better backs off too much and must work on his tackling.He can be happy with his display tho.

O'LOUGHLIN 8:Kicked three fine points with both feet the one in the first half off his left was a superb score.Caught a few balls in the middle but also didn't contest one or two which was suprising.Hit hard as always and was always available for the ball sometimes too much as he is marked.Great leader to have!

DONOHER 8:Unsung hero that you never hear much talk about after.Did simple things well apart from one silly outside of the foot ball but the game was won at that stage.Always able to get free for the counter attack and still has that yard to step around a player.His passing is always forward which sets the tone for good attacks.Scored a nice point to start off a fine display by the evergreen Courtwood man.

O'CARROLL 7:Showed well for the ball and won 3 frees in scoreable positions for Laois .Still doesn't look fully fit but hopefully this game will bring him on.
Great score of the left in the first half and cause problems all day for Longford who couldn't get to grips with him Donie or Paul

D KINGSTON 9:A class apart took his goal well and created so much for Laois.Just a normal day at the office for him but for once the players around him in the forwards also performed.His free taking was sublime two with the left two with the right.A great talent who is worth admission fee alone.

P KINGSTON 10:For once he upstages the brother and gets man of the match.He was a constant threat unlucky not to have two more scores from good efforts in the first half.Got the crucial first goal we so badly needed and what a finish it was.Scored and excellent point and then another class finish to bury the game .Delighted he finally produced on the biggest of stages and hope this can give him confidence against Kildare.


SUBS
KELLY 7:Done nothing wrong and intercepted one great ball in the second half.Was tigerish and hungry and has learned not to get turned as easily as he was in some league games but that was surely going to come with experience and more game time.

DILLION 7:Very unlucky not to start in my opinion and has to be an option for the next day.Did well when he came in and looked right up to the pace which we know he has in abundance .

FINN 7:Thought he would have seen more game time as he is doing very well behind the scenes according to reports.He looked very composed on the ball when he came in and looks in great shape .A big man with a lot of talent that could yet a a vital role in a game this year for Laois.

MUNNELLY ,MOORE and MEANEY weren't on long enough to rate which was the only disappointment form the day.

Why Creedon and Kavanagh didn't bring on subs earlier I'll never know we were practically 10-12 points up for nearly all the second half.

It was an ideal opportunity to see how players could fair and Laois management missed the boat with this call.




All in all I was happy with the display it was black and white for most of the league campaign and a lot of experienced men stepped up to the mark.

Well done to all the players and management on proving so many people wrong and resorting a bit of pride back in the jersey.

We need to work on things and I hope video analysis on Kildare will be done to a fine art because they play the same way every game and LAois need to find a way of stopping them getting quick ball to their dangerous forwards and not backing off them and letting them run at us.

Lillis Meaney Finn Walsh Dillion will all be pushing hard for places which can only improve the squad's morale and improve players.


I hope Laois people will go over to Tullamore in numbers cause we know the cocky Kildare army will travel in their droves.


Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 23, 2017, 10:44:51 AM
Tullamore is nothing but misery for Laois in recent times. Much prefer to be playing them in Carlow. Good win yesterday down to the goals and we'll need as many again if we're to have any chance against Kildare.
We've lost to Antrim, Tipp and Louth in Championship in O'Moore Park in recent years, should we not play there either? Can't see us beating Kildare based on league form, but we've a Championship game played and they don't and hopefully that may count for something. As for Tullamore, f**k it, its a field like any other, and a nice one at that. Better than playing in the car park.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: gaastats on May 23, 2017, 11:32:30 AM
Laois have a winning record in SFC games in Tullamore. P39 W19 D3 L17 F512 A504

Haven't beaten Kildare there since 1981. Overall v Kildare in Tullamore: P6 W2 D1 L3 F74 A102
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on May 23, 2017, 03:22:44 PM
Leinster Council Explain Why Dublin Vs Carlow Will Take Place In Laois
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/dublin-carlow-laois-365590 (https://www.balls.ie/gaa/dublin-carlow-laois-365590)
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 23, 2017, 05:24:57 PM
18,000 me arse. OMP is the largest county ground in the province.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gaelic_Athletic_Association_stadiums
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 23, 2017, 07:29:57 PM
True dave. They seem to be forgetting their Web of lies. Apparently last year they held it in Nowlan Park because of the amount of seats available.

Now they say it was held there because they didn't know how many people would attend.

But of course that doesn't make sense because multiple sources report OMP capacity is 27,000 and NP is 24,000. Anyway no point wrecking our heads about it. It's done now. Hopefully we'll host them in the coming years.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on May 23, 2017, 08:54:33 PM
True dave. They seem to be forgetting their Web of lies. Apparently last year they held it in Nowlan Park because of the amount of seats available.

Now they say it was held there because they didn't know how many people would attend.

But of course that doesn't make sense because multiple sources report OMP capacity is 27,000 and NP is 24,000. Anyway no point wrecking our heads about it. It's done now. Hopefully we'll host them in the coming years.
Agree with all said although i'd be somewhat wary of Wikipedia information. I myself hear that OMP is a 17000 capacity stadium now  due to recent H&S crowd control regs....
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on May 23, 2017, 10:44:44 PM
When was the last time O'Moore Park was full. Not just the stand but the terraces aswell.  I can't remember and they've qualifier double headers.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 23, 2017, 11:22:48 PM
Tipp v offaly in 1991 all ireland final i think there was 35,000 packed in

Laois v offaly in 2006 was a big crowd i remember
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: les Antiques on May 24, 2017, 01:43:28 AM
Good positive performance from Leix Sunday . It was altogether the most appropriate reaction and performance after the dismal league campaign .
Kildare will be a different proposition.
Saying that , I have stated before Creedons best scalps and managerial successes have come during championship. Expect to see a different set up and approach against Kildare. We are overly due a victory in Tullamore against anyone really ..particularly Kildare .
Apparently the biggest attendance at a Laois match in O'Moore Park was the replayed match against Carlow after the infamous Mick Turley overturned point back in '95 . I remember it been a hot sweltering day and Micky Lawlor stole the show after Goggey went off injured .
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 24, 2017, 09:42:38 AM
When was the last time O'Moore Park was full. Not just the stand but the terraces aswell.  I can't remember and they've qualifier double headers.
1991 U21 Hurling Final Kilkenny v Tipperary 1991 for a start anyway.

2002 U21 Football Final Dublin Galway v Dublin as well would have been close.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 24, 2017, 10:38:11 AM
When was the last time O'Moore Park was full. Not just the stand but the terraces aswell.  I can't remember and they've qualifier double headers.
1991 U21 Hurling Final Kilkenny v Tipperary 1991 for a start anyway.

2002 U21 Football Final Dublin Galway v Dublin as well would have been close.

Maybe not jammed to the rafters but I remember the league game against Kildare in 2003 with Micko at the helm. There was a massive crowd. Definitely the biggest crowd ever at a Laois league match.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 24, 2017, 10:40:15 AM
Good positive performance from Leix Sunday . It was altogether the most appropriate reaction and performance after the dismal league campaign .
Kildare will be a different proposition.
Saying that , I have stated before Creedons best scalps and managerial successes have come during championship. Expect to see a different set up and approach against Kildare. We are overly due a victory in Tullamore against anyone really ..particularly Kildare .
Apparently the biggest attendance at a Laois match in O'Moore Park was the replayed match against Carlow after the infamous Mick Turley overturned point back in '95 . I remember it been a hot sweltering day and Micky Lawlor stole the show after Goggey went off injured .

Yes. That 95 replay was absolutely wedged. Lawlor scored 1-5 that day.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Helix on May 24, 2017, 10:52:16 AM
Offaly in either 05/06 in qualifiers in OMP was biggest I've seen must have been over 20k mark.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: les Antiques on May 24, 2017, 11:08:59 AM
24,500 at Carlow replay 1995
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on May 24, 2017, 11:17:33 AM
Tipp v offaly in 1991 all ireland final i think there was 35,000 packed in

Laois v offaly in 2006 was a big crowd i remember

Tipp v Offaly u21 game was 1989,the 35k attendance won't be exceeded.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on May 24, 2017, 02:18:35 PM
OMP must hold around 25k. They only change they made was to put in better supports on the terrace. They do have a section taped off around the middle for cameras which i presume is temporary until they build a proper structure which probably reduces it by 1k ..
IF O' Connor Park Tullamore holds 18k OMP mush be 25k. Although it will be a masacre it will be great to see our superb stadium 2/3 full ..

Very good display on Sunday. We are strong from the half back line up. I liked the way we pressed high up ..
Was a killer to see Timmons on the bench. I dont even know if he was on the subs list?
Booth did OK but cant mark a speedy forward. O'Connor off the pace. Thought Strong did quite well. Tackled well. Young Kelly did ok too, his best game for Laois since his debut. I presume he'll start the next day for attride? Or maybe mcmahon drop back and Dillon comes into the half back line.
Buggie had a good debut.

We were good around the middle. Begley and Quigley were immense. Johnno did his stuff as he always does

Loved the way when there was a goal chances on we went for it ..

Donie is the ultimate target man being able to kick off both feet, win 40/60 balls, sell dummies and draw players too him before laying it off to the man in space. Great to see Paul step up at last. His first goal was superb.

Evan did ok but is clearly still not match fit. Does cause chaos when he runs at full tilt.

I thought Brody kick outs were frustrating. Quigley would make a run but he would hesitate and land it down on top of johhno instead who would
usually miss it. With the mark, the quigley option must be used more.

How do we beat Kildare?
We will concede 1-17 ish so i guess we need another glut of goals..

Pleased for the players and Creedon. We can only be as good as the talent we have available.
Thanks all i can ask for as a supporter .. I felt we came near that on Sunday ..
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 24, 2017, 02:40:21 PM
For what it's worth, Laois had 3 players named on "Hogan Stand's Team of the Week"...

http://www.hoganstand.com/Longford/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=270624

Looking like Timmons might not see any game time vs Kildare. It's probably the right call as he can't be match sharp. We could really do with a couple more experienced backs. The team is crying out for a healy and timmons to really put it up vs Kildare. I'd probably put McMahon back to FB line if Timmons is still missing.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 24, 2017, 07:46:02 PM
When was the last time O'Moore Park was full. Not just the stand but the terraces aswell.  I can't remember and they've qualifier double headers.

Roscommon and Kildare in 03 was as close to full as I remember it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yThW4L1X0A
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 24, 2017, 09:07:59 PM
Laois and Carlow replay was fuller.

I remember because it was so full that I couldn't find the rest of my family on the Abbeyleix end after gpoing to the toilet. It was absolutely saturated packed.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 25, 2017, 01:07:07 AM
That was well before the proper stand was built though, so guaranteed to be a smaller crowd.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 25, 2017, 09:42:02 AM
You can still pack a load of people in, sometimes more so without a stand or modern regulations - there were well over 30,000 people present for some games pre the new stand.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on May 26, 2017, 01:53:44 AM
Talking points as Laois see off Longford and set sights on Kildare
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/05/23/talking-points-laois-see-off-longford-set-sights-kildare/
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 26, 2017, 09:22:00 AM
Nothing in that article we didn't already know.

I like the fact the was a bit of depth in the panel Sunday with Dillion Meaney Conway Finn Moore Kelly who all played in the league to come in.

Trevor Collins is also on the fringes Love to See Lillis and Timmons around to push for the back the next day.

Hope tha tAttride is okay and can play aswell.

Kildare only think they have to show up according to all reports especially listening to their supporters to quote one lad...

"I suppose the Laois lads have their visa's for the US booked for Bank holiday Monday after we relegate them to the qualifers!


God I really do dislike Kildare and nothing as a Laois fan would give me more pleasure than bating them!!!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 26, 2017, 03:11:54 PM
I wouldn't be getting too cocky if I was a Kildare supporter. They haven't exactly set the championship on fire these last number of years, either.

Man for man, I don't think we're too far off Kildare in terms of quality, Unlaoised. You're right about a bit of depth too but it would be nicer to have Healy and Timmons there but what can we do. Perhaps Timmons will be not far off for the game after Kildare.

I think it will come down to tactics, hunger and confidence.

I believe we are a team desperately needing confidence to get us going. Look at the Longford game. Heads were dropping when Longford got it back to 0-9 to 0-7. It took the couple of goals for us to express ourselves well in that match and perform well.

I think if we can get a good start against Kildare and still be in the match or winning by 1 or 2 at half-time, we have a very good chance. If we are 4or 5 down at half time or more I fear we could get hammered, as I say I believe confidence will be a big factor for us.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: County Man on May 30, 2017, 12:44:32 PM
Lads, very quiet in here with the biggest game of the year coming in 5 days!!

How are we feeling about it? Hopefully a big crowd will head over for it. The hurlers had a big support last Sunday in OMP so be nice if we could match that.

In terms of the game, to win would be massive but at the very least we need to put in a big performance and be competitive.

Midfield needs to get on top. The forwards need to take any chances going. We need a couple of goals.

Hopefully our captain will be fit enough to play. Defense need to work their socks off and be very organised.

Looking forward to a massive battle! Couldn't bear another smashing like in 2015, 2011 and 2009.

Laois Abu
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 30, 2017, 05:14:03 PM
I think the numbers will travel...Bank holiday Sunday ...all the talk of Kildare will spur lads to travel in hope of an upset.


Kildare are now missing their first two choice corner forwards ...

LAOIS ABU
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on May 30, 2017, 06:42:32 PM
They might be missing two forwards, Flynn and McCormack but they are a team on a mission this year and are very strong in most positions. We have to admit we are massive underdogs in this one and if we can put up a decent performance I'll be happy enough.
We will need to have a plan in place and play to the best of our ability to even come near them. We also will need a bit of luck and a fair referee, think it's David Coldrick from Meath is the man in the middle on Sunday
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 30, 2017, 08:00:09 PM
Kildare will probably bate us, but as always they'll do f**k all beyond. Any supposed superiority complex is as always, misplaced. We're a low ebb currently, but if we go out and ware into them from the off and knock a few of the f**kers on their holes early on, we might st least get an enjoyable afternoon out of it, regardless of the result.


Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: justinn on May 30, 2017, 08:26:59 PM
Moolick to the rescue as Kildare salvage draw
Updated / Wednesday, 10 Jun 2015 15:45 10
Tommy Moolick's late score means Laois and Kildare must do it all over again
Tommy Moolick's late score means Laois and Kildare must do it all over again
By Declan Rooney

Laois 0-16 Kildare 0-16

Kildare needed an injury-time point from substitute Tommy Moolick to force a replay after Laois looked like edging this 0-16 to 0-16 draw at O'Connor Park, Tullamore in the Leinster SFC quarter-final.

The sides will meet again at the same venue next Saturday, but Kildare will be the happier team after turning around a three point deficit with five minutes remaining.

Led by the excellent Donie Kingston, Laois staged a storming 15 minutes in the second-half to take control, but two Eoghan O'Flaherty frees and Moolick's late leveller save the day for Jason Ryan's side.

Despite winning the toss and electing to play with the very strong breeze, Kildare chose to line out with a two man inside forward line and to work the ball slowly across the field in search of openings.

As a result it came as little surprise to see Laois dominate the opening quarter and hold a 0-04 to 0-01 lead at that juncture.

Laois would have been happy to just nullify Kildare with that wind advantage and it took until the ninth minute for the game's first score to arrive when Damien O'Connor set up Donal Kingston to score from play.

That early Laois dominance was build from their lording the midfield, especially under their own kickouts. Brendan Quigley was particularly masterful and after Padraig Fogarty levelled the game with a tenth minute point, the O'Moore County surged ahead with three frees in four minutes.

A late call up to the starting team, Tom Shiel, landed the middle of those three points for Laois, with a super free from the right sideline, but slowly Kildare began to gain a footing in the game.

Fogarty settled the Lilywhites with a sweet 45 from the right, before Alan Smith kicked two points in as many minutes – the second was a good goal chance that clipped over via the crossbar – to square the game at 0-04 each by the 21st minute.

A silly foul from Ollie Lyons on Kingston resulted in a tap over free for the Arles Killeen man, and he kicked a lovely point from play from the kickout after Shiel and Conor Boyle put in the groundwork.

By and large Kildare dominated their own kickouts – their short quick, short restarts continually caught out Laois – and as the half wore on they began to mount attacks on the back of that well retained possession.

Points from Eamonn Callaghan and Smith drew Kildare level in the 28th minute, and they took the lead for the first time six minutes from the break when Gary White pointed, which was quickly followed by another O'Flaherty free.

And just before half-time Darren strong bagged two points, the second he punched over the bar instead of taking on Mark Donnellan when the goal chance presented itself.

After carrying a 0-09 to 0-08 lead into the break, Kildare worked a three-point lead by the 40th minute after O'Flaherty kicked a free and Emmet Bolton scored from play they looked likely to pull clear.

But Laois continued to score in bursts and three points in two minutes – frees from Munnelly and Kingston and a good point on the run from John O'Loughlin – levelled the game at 0-11 each.

The introduction of Tommy Moolick shortly after the restart did a lot to dampen Laois' midfield dominance though and after good work around the middle, he pointed via the post in the 47th minute to push Kildare one ahead once more.

The Lexlip man had a goal chance three minutes later which was well saved by the sprawling Graham Brody, but Paul Cribbin pointed from the rebound to double Kildare's lead.

But again the Lilywhites retreated back into their shells and allowed Laois to fight their way back level thanks to frees from Kingston and Munnelly, before Kingston pushed them ahead again with a 59th minute free.

Laois took control from that point and some good work from Kingston set up O'Loughlin for another super point, before Kingston landed his third from play to stretch Laois' lead to three points with five minutes left.

Callaghan came within inches of levelling the game but his goal attempt trickled wide with four minutes to go, but two O'Flaherty frees reduced the lead to one point with full time approaching.

And deep into injury time Moolick kicked the leveller for Kildare to force the replay, but substitute Paul Kingston could have won it at the death for Laois, but his shot from the right drifted wide.

Laois: G Brody; S Attride, M Timmons, C Begley; R Kehoe, D Strong (0-02), D O'Connor; B Quigley, J O'Loughlin (0-02); N Donoher, C Boyle, E O'Carroll; R Munnelly (0-03, 0-03f), D Kingston (0-08, 0-05f), T Shiel (0-01, 0-01f).

Subs: C Meredith for Shiel (51 mins), B Sheehan for Meredith (64), P Kingston for O'Carroll (67)

Kildare: M Donnellan; C Fitzpatrick, M O'Grady, O Lyons; K Murnaghan, F Conway, E Bolton (0-01); G White (0-01), P Cribbin (0-01); E Callaghan (0-01), E O'Flaherty (0-05, 0-05f), C McNally; P O'Neill, P Fogarty (0-03, 0-01'45, 0-01f), A Smith (0-02).

Subs: T Moolick (0-02) for McNally (41 mins), N Kelly for Fogarty (56), E Doyle for Murnaghan (59), F Dowling for O'Neill (66), D Hyland for White (69),

Referee: Cormac Reilly (Meath).

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 30, 2017, 08:30:59 PM
Moolick, generally wouldn't hit the arse of a cow with a Hurley.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 30, 2017, 08:56:50 PM
Lads, very quiet in here with the biggest game of the year coming in 5 days!!

I think it's quieter than normal county man, because after Longford, the likes of Ballyroanabu and town1980 don't know what Laois will turn up Sunday. It's much less risky to get their posts in after the match, when it's much easier with the benefit of hindsight:D.

Getting my prediction in here - Laois to put up a decent performance but Kildare to win by 5 - 7 points. I hope I'm wrong, I just think we wont have enough at the back to hold them under 1-16 or so.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on May 30, 2017, 11:46:55 PM
I'm hearing Trevor Collins is in line to start on Sunday. Haven't seen much of him myself. Good luck to him.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on May 31, 2017, 07:35:53 AM
No Tony, I am here.  Hopefully you get to tell me how wrong I was on Sunday.   My heart says Laois, my head says otherwise.    Safe to say believe it or not it's easier to point out whats wrong in the League as when it comes to championship even though I really think the Laois Manager is awful, (it's kildare) I hope they (being Laois)  shove it down my throat.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on May 31, 2017, 10:50:36 AM
Guys, I'm not on any Kildare discussion board, but can you tell me when my post gets posted up so I can take a look. Thanks.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Joeythelips on May 31, 2017, 03:11:39 PM
Logic dictates that based on league form that a team promoted to Division one should beat a team relegated to Division 4 reasonably comfortably, but the reason we all love the championship so much is that logic does not always win out. Only last weekend we had a Division 2 side scrape past a Division 4 team when Cork beat Waterford by a single point. The bookies are usually a decent judge of these things, and they have the spread at 2 points, so the market thinks Kildare will win but Laois will push them close.

Whatever we think of management or players they have a championship win under their belt, they face a big step up obviously this weekend but if they give it everything there is no reason they cant beat this Kildare team. Head ruling heart i agree with Tony and think Kildare will have too much and win by 5 points or so, i hope i am wrong as would love to see Laois play live, their semi final will be shown live on sky (and I am reluctant to pay the €70 euro for GAA GO GB PASS just yet).
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on May 31, 2017, 03:30:49 PM
I took a quick glance at the Kildare GAA forum there. In fairness to them, apart from a few cocky "know-it-alls" that don't really seem to know that much, the consensus is that they think it will be a tight match. Most of them predict a Kildare win but they're not taking us for granted. This is a post from one of their lads and reflects the overall attitude towards us over there:


"Nothing wrong with displaying a bit of confidence. The dubs, Kerry and Tyrone have been doing it for years. However they have the silverware to back it up.

I have seen nothing from Kildare in recent years to suggest we can win when it matters most. We lost two very winnable league finals in succession and have suffered miserable first game Leinster championship defeats.

We are on the right track again now thankfully with success at Minor and U-21 and now successive promotions to Division 1 but as we know all too well Kildare teams are prone to massive disappointments so I would be treating Laois with the utmost respect.

They are total underdogs and would like nothing better than to take us down. They have big strong competitive footballers in Begley, Quigley, O'Loughlin and Kingston. I'd take at least 3 of them for our team anyday.

All we have to worry about is playing to the best of our ability. If we do that we will win, no question as we have the better squad but if they drop the performance level then I think Laois will capitalise.

Kildare by 2pts."
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on May 31, 2017, 03:47:41 PM
Getting nervous now that we are getting nearer the game....

I'd love to bate Kildare!

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Jellyfish on May 31, 2017, 06:47:50 PM
Looking forward to Sunday. Hopefully we can start well and rattle them. Think Kildare will have a bit too much for us, but then again you just never know with either team. Our players down the middle I feel are as good if not better then theirs and hopefully with big preformances out of the likes of J.O.L, Donie, Begley and Quigley we will be happy leaving Tullamore Sunday evening.

Laois Abú!!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on June 01, 2017, 11:42:20 AM
The Laois players are playing this down nicely all the talk is about Kildare!

An ex Kildare county player of just a few years ago is quoted as saying"Loosing to this Laois team which is the worst in decades would be as bad as loosing to Wicklow in 2008 it can't be allowed to happen"

GET STUCK INTO THESE COCKY FLOURBAGS
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 11:46:40 AM
The Laois players are playing this down nicely all the talk is about Kildare!

An ex Kildare county player of just a few years ago is quoted as saying"Loosing to this Laois team which is the worst in decades would be as bad as loosing to Wicklow in 2008 it can't be allowed to happen"

GET STUCK INTO THESE COCKY FLOURBAGS
Are we gonna arrange a mill up somewhere on Sunday?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on June 01, 2017, 03:19:57 PM
Relax lads and try this quiz, I was amazed at how bad my scores were, must be getting old....   :'( :'(


http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/06/01/test-memory-laois-kildare-football-quiz/

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Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on June 01, 2017, 04:08:43 PM
I got 8 right ...first 6 were easy
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on June 01, 2017, 06:39:25 PM
Explainer: how the first round of SFC Qualifiers is shaping up
29 May 2017


The All-Ireland football qualifiers are just over two weeks away and we look at how the first round draw will pan out.

The provincial championship draws are arranged on an 'A' and 'B' side to try and ensure beaten counties get two weeks before having to play a qualifier game.
The round 1A qualifiers take place on Saturday 17 June with the 1B side game a week later on 24 June. Both round 1A and 1B involve counties that didn't make it to their provincial semi-finals.

'A' side:      Wicklow, Longford, loser Kildare v Laois, loser Meath v Louth, Waterford, Antrim, Derry, Sligo.
 
‘B’ side:      Wexford, loser Carlow v Dublin, loser Offaly v Westmeath, Limerick, Fermanagh, loser Down v Armagh, loser Cavan v Monaghan, London.

An open draw will take place between the eight teams on the 'A' side and repeat pairings of games from the provincial championship are allowed. The same occurs on the 'B' side.
The winners of the round 1A and 1B games play the beaten provincial semi-finalists. Teams that progressed to a provincial semi-final by beating a team on the 'A' side remain on the 'A' side if they enter the Qualifiers.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on June 01, 2017, 06:52:05 PM
***2105 TEAM and SUBS v Kildare***
Laois: G Brody; S Attride, M Timmons, C Begley; R Kehoe, D Strong (0-02), D O'Connor; B Quigley, J O'Loughlin (0-02); N Donoher, C Boyle, E O'Carroll; R Munnelly (0-03, 0-03f), D Kingston (0-08, 0-05f), T Shiel (0-01, 0-01f).
Subs: C Meredith for Shiel (51 mins), B Sheehan for Meredith (64), P Kingston for O'Carroll (67) 

***2107 TEAM and SUBS v Longford***
Laois: G Brody; D Strong (0-1), D Booth, D O’Connor; E Buggie (0-1), S Attride, P McMahon (0-1); B Quigley (0-1), C Begley (0-1); A Farrell (1-0), J O’Loughlin (0-3), N Donoher (0-1); E O’Carroll (0-1), D Kingston (1-4, 0-3 frees), P Kingston (2-1).
Subs: J Kelly for O’Connor (32), G Dillon for Attride (58), J Finn for D Kingston (68), R Munnelly for O’Carroll (70), K Meaney for Donoher (70+3), S Moore for O’Loughlin (70+3).

5 changes from starting line up .. dont think either team is stronger really .. timmons is the huge loss. The 2015 team drew then got well beaten ..

I think Kildare at -2 is a great bet if i look at it coldly, i expect a 5/6 point win for Kildare.
Hope attride is fit .. Dont know who will mark Niall Kelly .. Booth wouldnt have the pace .. maybe mcmahon?
WE have a chance but defensively its just hard to see us keeping it tight enough 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on June 01, 2017, 10:43:38 PM
***2105 TEAM and SUBS v Kildare***

***2107 TEAM and SUBS v Longford***
 

You can tell the future???
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on June 02, 2017, 04:17:08 PM
Team prediction

Brody
Strong
Booth
McMahon
Attride
Begley
Buggie
Meaney
Quigley
O'Carroll
Conway
Donoher
Kingston
Kingston D
O'Loughlin


Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on June 02, 2017, 04:20:29 PM
I hope for

Brody
Attride
McMahon
Kelly
Strong
Begley
Buggie
Quigley
O'Loughlin
Farrell
Conway
Donoher
Kingston
Kingston d
O'Carroll


We need pace in the full back line

If stephen doesn't make it then O'Connor

Hope Strong goes back out to his usual position he has done well against Kildare even in defeat in recent years!

Meaney finn Dillion are all close to my team aswell...If lillis is anyway in shape id find a place for him at number 6 and put Begley left half back!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on June 02, 2017, 07:03:52 PM
McMahon at FB Unlaoised? I presume you meant Booth. I wonder what's going on with Conway, didn't feature against Longford even though he was excellent in the League. We'll soon find out. It'll be interesting to see the team and if Timmons is named on the bench perhaps. I think we have more than enough options up front but we're really tight for depth at the back, especially if Stephen and Mark are not around. I hear what you're saying about Lillis but in my opinion he doesn't have the pace for CB and I wouldn't put him there in the deep end. Maybe off the bench if required.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on June 02, 2017, 09:07:28 PM
Laois name team for Leinster SFC clash with Kildare

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Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on June 02, 2017, 09:22:24 PM
I can't really argue with that team : few positional changes expected. Great to have Attride named. That FF line can do damage, especially if Paul and Evan are on form as Donie will be targeted. Still a couple of weak spots on the team. I'd have Dillon in there, for example. Anyways, about as strong as we have atm. Not expecting a win but hopefully we'll travel in numbers. I'll certainly be there, let's hope for a good day in O'Connor Pk.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on June 02, 2017, 09:44:57 PM
Good enough team, depends how good Kildare are. We need to stay in touch for as long as we can and keep everyone on the field. Where would we find the full panel for the game?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on June 03, 2017, 01:33:53 AM
Conway has to be injured Tony, he was excellent in the league. No other logical explanation.

Its not a bad laois team but booth lack of pace is a huge worry and will be targeted. Kelly to start FF.

If we can keep it tight in the first half and dont concede any stupid goals we have a chance.

A wet pitch could add to the mix.

Hoping for a decent vocal laois support .. it makes a difference ..
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on June 03, 2017, 05:07:37 AM
Kildare will likely outnumber us 3or4to 1.. Where did all those people from 2003to2006 go?! Looking back at footage, we must have had 25000 in croke pk sometimes. As a laois player said recently "we have to give them a reason to come out to support us."
It does make a difference to have a good support, especially when a match is tight. Heads can drop that bit more when you hear the opposition crowd roar. Anyway, hopefully the true laois fans will go and support these lads that give their all for the laois jersey. There's nothing that compares to being at a inter county championship local derby match, especially if it's going your team's way . Up laois
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on June 03, 2017, 05:36:36 AM
Thats just it i remember few years back beating Meath over there the buzz after it was incredible
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on June 04, 2017, 01:38:03 AM
As the saying goes, "You Can't Beat Being There"
I'll be there but I can't see us having big support in Tullamore if we can't get them to go to O'Moore Park... ??


Kildare team to play Laois

               1. M Donnellan.

2.M O'Grady. 3.D Hyland. 4.O Lyons.

   5.J Byrne. 6.E Doyle. 7.K Cribbin.

             8.K Feely. 9.T Moolick.

  10.F.Conway. 11.N.Kelly. 12.P Cribbin.
 
13.D Slattery. 14.D Flynn. 15.C McNally.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Joeythelips on June 04, 2017, 03:55:20 PM
Half time, listening to it on midlands 103. Sounds pretty one sided and might be a repeat of the 2009 game when they went into showboating mode as they hammered Laois.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Andy06 on June 04, 2017, 03:58:58 PM
At a stag do so missing this game, 1-2 where the 2 points appear to be from frees is abysmal. Is there any game plan at all or are they all just going through the motions?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: mup on June 04, 2017, 04:40:25 PM
The Laois players are playing this down nicely all the talk is about Kildare!

An ex Kildare county player of just a few years ago is quoted as saying"Loosing to this Laois team which is the worst in decades would be as bad as loosing to Wicklow in 2008 it can't be allowed to happen"

GET STUCK INTO THESE COCKY FLOURBAGS

Not cocky. Just better. Much better.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on June 04, 2017, 04:58:20 PM
The Laois players are playing this down nicely all the talk is about Kildare!

An ex Kildare county player of just a few years ago is quoted as saying"Loosing to this Laois team which is the worst in decades would be as bad as loosing to Wicklow in 2008 it can't be allowed to happen"

GET STUCK INTO THESE COCKY FLOURBAGS

Not cocky. Just better. Much better.
Being cocky and better aren't mutually exclusive and by Jaysus Kildare are both.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Andy06 on June 04, 2017, 05:00:04 PM
Yep, completely cocky

The Laois players are playing this down nicely all the talk is about Kildare!

An ex Kildare county player of just a few years ago is quoted as saying"Loosing to this Laois team which is the worst in decades would be as bad as loosing to Wicklow in 2008 it can't be allowed to happen"

GET STUCK INTO THESE COCKY FLOURBAGS

Not cocky. Just better. Much better.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Helmut on June 04, 2017, 05:37:56 PM
Well that was painful.

A world of difference between the two teams in systems played, fitness, workrate and attitude.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Helix on June 04, 2017, 05:40:33 PM
Christ that was horrendous in Tullamore. Men against boys. No plan whatsoever just launch into Donie and hope for best. Hard to know where we go from here.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: smcder on June 04, 2017, 06:08:52 PM
Hard to watch. kildare looked miles ahead of us. Thought we were doing ok against the wind till around the 20th minute, Kildare were kicking wides and we were hanging in. Then our energy dropped, Kildare's forwards were getting shots with no pressure and knocking them over and ended up 7 points up at half time.

Second half, with the wind and we looked bet from the start of it. Shocking.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on June 04, 2017, 06:15:57 PM
I suppose the hidings they have been given us at underage are now happening at senior.

They were so much physically stronger than us. Stripping the ball from us at will.
They seemed to have pace all over the field .
They played like a team.
We played like individuals AGAIN.

I know playing wise we're limited but this was a dreadful mgmt performance. They waltzed the the middle and popped over points from the 40 aided by the wind. Mgmt bring on Doran???? He got turned over the first 3 times he got the ball. Surely Dillon could have been brought on .. a bit of fooking pace ..
Actually got worse in 2nd half ..  continued with a sweeper .. hail Mary's into donie or Paul..

Only bit of crack all afternoon was Brody losing the ball.

Hard to know how good kildare are are but we made them look like world beaters..

Dark day for laois football .. hard to have any optimism for the future ..
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on June 04, 2017, 06:58:07 PM
I have been quiet for a reason on this but let's hear Tony defend that shambolic display
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on June 04, 2017, 07:35:43 PM
There is no defending that display, one of the worse ever but real Laois supporters take no pleasure in saying that whereas you obviously do. Instead of waiting for Tony to defend it why not tell us what you would do to improve things apart from the soccer solution of sacking the manager.
What alarmed me about it was we looked so unfit and so headless with our deliveries in to the forward line. Kingston has gone back to his old ways of trying to do it all himself. He normally passes to Paul and when he went off he just took pot shots rather than give it to a teammate.
I just hope we don't get Carlow in the qualifiers...
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: theoldvet on June 04, 2017, 07:46:09 PM
In the modern game today, you need  POWER, PACE & PHYSICALITY,

but after today's game we have none of these!!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Gmac on June 04, 2017, 07:50:02 PM
There is no defending that display, one of the worse ever but real Laois supporters take no pleasure in saying that whereas you obviously do. Instead of waiting for Tony to defend it why not tell us what you would do to improve things apart from the soccer solution of sacking the manager.
What alarmed me about it was we looked so unfit and so headless with our deliveries in to the forward line. Kingston has gone back to his old ways of trying to do it all himself. He normally passes to Paul and when he went off he just took pot shots rather than give it to a teammate.
I just hope we don't get Carlow in the qualifiers...
laois have looked unfit compared to their better championship opponents for about 7 years
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Boy Wonder on June 04, 2017, 08:23:42 PM
What I don't understand is why Laois conceded midfield without a fight - from early on a short kick out strategy was used. In Brendan Quigley and Kevin Meaney (should have started) we have fielders as good as any on their day. The foundation of our win Vs Longford was Quigley's midfield performance.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Cruella De Vil on June 04, 2017, 09:05:09 PM
Very disappointing. As previous poster mentioned they were on a completely different level with power, pace, physicality. They have reason for optimism, they all seem to know their system and are in serious order physically. The full forward, Flynn, gave us enough of it, and he looks flashy, but his conversion rate is that hectic at the moment, and with less ball and hence less chances he might struggle, some pace though.
Our biggest worry is not even for 2017, there's nobody in div 4 is remotely near this level, we should win our fair share in div 4, but it'll be like playing a different sport when you meet a Kildare or Meath , not to mention the dubs.
It may not all be creedons fault, but he is the manager, and ge has now managed to get the sh**e kicked out of us in tullamore, and get relegated out of a poor division 3, even getting beat by the biffos along the way. Some players had really poor effort/showing, I don't see it fair to criticise individuals that give their time freely, but creedons changes/reactions and non-reactions were mind boggling, the donoher sub, defensive set up with the wind, watching Flynn roast his marker with pace for the 70mins.
One last gripe is the short kick outs, we always cough up at least 2 scores with f**ked up versions of these, which is beyond infuriating.

This is probably as low as I can remember (30yrs), to get out of div 4 is where we may start, as beating Longford, London or Wicklow will not have you ready for an outfit like we faced today.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 04, 2017, 09:16:05 PM
What I don't understand is why Laois conceded midfield without a fight - from early on a short kick out strategy was used. In Brendan Quigley and Kevin Meaney (should have started) we have fielders as good as any on their day. The foundation of our win Vs Longford was Quigley's midfield performance.

Moolick was able to spoil Quigley while Feely got the better of him. Long to O'Loughlin worked a couple of times. Begley non existent in the fielding stakes.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: on the hop on June 04, 2017, 09:30:45 PM
Jesus that was awful, the slide continues and it only confirms that we are division 4 side. i thought if we got an early goal we might give them a rattle. we did and against the wind and it didn't make a difference. kildare just streamrolled us. As mentioned earlier the plan looked on containment in the first half with the sweeper system but kildare put paid to that with the movement of their forwards especially flynn and i think we tried three players at least. we also then have to constantly move players around to fire fight due to the lack of the pace in the team. flynn did a job on both mcmahon and booth and to see him soloing away from o connor and strong was a reflection on the problems we had.

certainly the kickout strategy killed us, we were so slow moving the ball up the field when we went short but with the forwards playing deep there was no release option bar expecting o loughlin to barrell up the middle. kildare had him well schooled and just bottled him up. anything kicked long was goggled up as our middle eight was destroyed and weren't physical enough on the breaking ball. our extra defender also allowed them to double up on donie and he was frustrated figure by the end.  the forward play was awful at times, there a few who have no interest in going for a hard ball though at times some of the foot passing was dismal. he scored our first point from play in the 49 minute which says a lot. you would have to wonder how bad david conway and meaney are in training if they had to wait till the end to get on looking at some of whats on the field. many commented at the game looked at how unfit we were compared to kildare. certainly players like begley and mcmahon who i would rate as always been fit were blowing in the first half. i think with the age profile of the team especially with the senior players no matter who is coaching them will make them any faster.

 kildare won't be bad this year. they started without their two first choice corner forwards and had the luxury of not even bringing on paddy brophy. they were very fit and well coached, they will need to score goals but they look to have the pace and size to stay with a lot of the big teams

the result reflects what has been going on in this county. its been some seven days for results. every team is now out of the provincial championships and its the first week in june. as discussed our systems or lack of them are not producing a player capable to playing competitively at the top level.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: the sash on June 04, 2017, 09:38:36 PM
What really stood out today was the basic skills and fundamentals of the game which we couldn't even master. Kick passing was very poor, you'd give out to a young lad if he persistantly carried the ball into the tackle and lost possesion.  With 15 mins to go we bring on one of our greatest servants when the game was well up when we should be  blooding younger players to give them some sort of championship experience even if it was in those circumstances
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Downtheroad on June 04, 2017, 09:39:12 PM
Very disappointing. As previous poster mentioned they were on a completely different level with power, pace, physicality. They have reason for optimism, they all seem to know their system and are in serious order physically. The full forward, Flynn, gave us enough of it, and he looks flashy, but his conversion rate is that hectic at the moment, and with less ball and hence less chances he might struggle, some pace though.
Our biggest worry is not even for 2017, there's nobody in div 4 is remotely near this level, we should win our fair share in div 4, but it'll be like playing a different sport when you meet a Kildare or Meath , not to mention the dubs.
It may not all be creedons fault, but he is the manager, and ge has now managed to get the sh**e kicked out of us in tullamore, and get relegated out of a poor division 3, even getting beat by the biffos along the way. Some players had really poor effort/showing, I don't see it fair to criticise individuals that give their time freely, but creedons changes/reactions and non-reactions were mind boggling, the donoher sub, defensive set up with the wind, watching Flynn roast his marker with pace for the 70mins.
One last gripe is the short kick outs, we always cough up at least 2 scores with f**ked up versions of these, which is beyond infuriating.

This is probably as low as I can remember (30yrs), to get out of div 4 is where we may start, as beating Longford, London or Wicklow will not have you ready for an outfit like we faced today.
Very disappointing today. It was much worse than I feared as I thought we might have restricted to 5/6. Never really believed they could win it. But this was a comfortable 14 points win  for Kildare. Everybody associated with Laois football has to take some responsibility here and not  just the management team even though the reality is that we just don't have the raw material to remain competitive at the top end. Even if we had, I'm not sure we would know what to do with it. I feel sorry for the players but we are not good enough. The structures within the county are not a help and before anyone starts bashing the county board, there is no evidence that clubs in the county are interested in progressing matters. When an opportunity came earlier in the year to restructure the senior championship it was shot down by the senior clubs as it is all about status. Laois football is at a crossroads where the choice is keep going with a plethora of poorly run and badly organised clubs or put in a structure where every footballer is looked after in a proper fashion from juvenile up. Otherwise they will be no one going to matches in a few years.The official attendance c7500 says it all as even the Kildare crowd didn't travel in droves.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Laoiseabu on June 04, 2017, 09:57:46 PM
Most of our key players are over 30 and are gone on for it at this stage . I don't know who in the name of God is going to replace them cause I can't see a sinner . It's frightening to think how low this could go .
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on June 04, 2017, 10:03:20 PM
Most of our key players are over 30 and are gone on for it at this stage . I don't know who in the name of God is going to replace them cause I can't see a sinner . It's frightening to think how low this could go .

Wick low
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Laoiseabu on June 04, 2017, 10:12:12 PM
Car low
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on June 04, 2017, 10:58:23 PM
Bunga low
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on June 05, 2017, 08:28:51 AM
What went wrong?

Poor strenght, conditioning and fitness for past 3or 4years.
Average team with plenty on the clock, with too many passengers.
Average management who can't work miracles in the space of months even though some people think they should.
Poor standard club scene.
Poor underage structure compared to tier one or two teams.

You have to have strenght and conditioning like Kildare/tipp underage or dublin underage for example have had if you want to compete. Sean moore is a lovely footballer but he's not going to succeed at the top tier because of poor s&c standards in laois underage.

So yeah we can blame management solely or look into all aspects of laois gaa which needs a holistic overhaul if we want to get back to tier one or two in the next ten years.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on June 05, 2017, 11:21:14 AM
Everything is wrong Tony. It's been well signposted in fairness. The club scene is laughable. Some lads don't want to play. We looked like chaps out there yesterday. I don't think I'll ever forget Ambrose Doran getting mauled the first three times he got the ball. And he is capable of doing damage in any club game in Laois - says it all really. We're a mile off the pace we're not the only ones. Fair play to Kildare; they at least have plans and are buying into it. We have nothing. We are toast. I'm about as sick of the GAA right now as it's possible to be. Quite simply, we are wasting our time, wasting good money and this is the way it's going to be for a long time. I'm not even sure we have bottomed out yet.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on June 05, 2017, 11:50:17 AM
I have been quiet for a reason on this but let's hear Tony defend that shambolic display
Don't ya just love lads who are happy their own county got hammered.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Laoiseabu on June 05, 2017, 12:06:57 PM
Does anyone know what sort of fitness training and conditioning Creedon has being doing over the last few months . He claimed in his interview they were training hard but Kildare looked far more conditioned and sharper that's a worry . The least you can do is be fit for the championship at county level . What is it? What's the point in investing money in managerial setups if you can't even get fit which is a basic requirement of even club teams let alone county
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Laoiseabu on June 05, 2017, 12:10:02 PM
There is a radical overhaul needed on and off the field . There is more than the players that have to answer to this .
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Laoiseabu on June 05, 2017, 12:20:32 PM
I know I sound like a gobshite saying this but I will say it anyway. I saw Kildare in the division 2 final and they were very poor against Galway. They were beaten by a poor Derry side in the league and were very lucky to scrape over Clare by the skin of their teeth. Just a year ago a division 4 Westmeath side beat them in Leinster. Now don't get me wrong but they are way ahead of us at the moment but they are not that hot themselves. I think a lot of why they looked so great yesterday was down to Laois poorness . We are division 4 remember and not being for dosent help matters at all.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Laoiseabu on June 05, 2017, 12:27:22 PM
It was embarrassing to see Laois supporters heading for the gates five minutes into the second half and Kildare were just toying with us for the second half without their two first choice fowards . I can't see the positives and I can't see what benefits the qualifiers will give us . This won't be a quick fix either things need serious addressing NOW. I think things will get worse before better too judging by the age profile of our key players.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on June 05, 2017, 12:32:28 PM
Does anyone know what sort of fitness training and conditioning Creedon has being doing over the last few months . He claimed in his interview they were training hard but Kildare looked far more conditioned and sharper that's a worry . The least you can do is be fit for the championship at county level . What is it? What's the point in investing money in managerial setups if you can't even get fit which is a basic requirement of even club teams let alone county

Kildare got sick of being bullied. They now go for big athletic types over smaller, more skillful lads. This is evident even in their underage teams, As a plan it's limited enough, but it's a plan nonetheless. I thought their backs looked less than comfortable on the back foot, particularly their number 5. Unfortunately, we didn't have enough about us to expose that, but it will be exposed. Of that I have no doubt. Kildare are fit, move well and support each other. They are not the most naturally gifted team you are likely to see, but they will work hard for you. We on the other hand are a cobbled together outfit with some decent footballers and a lot of lads who either aren't ready or are nowhere near good enough. In truth, in the entire county, I reckon we could put together 7 or 8 Division 2 standard players, but after that, we'd be struggling. Talk about Creedon is missing the point. No coach could make good of Laois at the moment. In fact, a coach is the least of our worries. We need to go all the way back and start developing lads slowly and properly. It's going to take a long time
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Downtheroad on June 05, 2017, 12:43:46 PM

If you think things are bad now, you can get a glimpse of the future by looking at the tables below for the under 14 "B" competition.  Only 4 of the current senior clubs are playing in the "A"  division in under 14. These are Portlaoise,  Portarlington,  Ballyroan and St Josephs. The other 12 clubs are in the "B". Some of the results make grim reading. 

http://www.laoisgaa.ie/league/115796/u-14_b_f_l_group_a

http://www.laoisgaa.ie/league/115795/u-14_b_f_l_group_b





Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on June 05, 2017, 12:59:11 PM

If you think things are bad now, you can get a glimpse of the future by looking at the tables below for the under 14 "B" competition.  Only 4 of the current senior clubs are playing in the "A"  division in under 14. These are Portlaoise,  Portarlington,  Ballyroan and St Josephs. The other 12 clubs are in the "B". Some of the results make grim reading. 

http://www.laoisgaa.ie/league/115796/u-14_b_f_l_group_a

http://www.laoisgaa.ie/league/115795/u-14_b_f_l_group_b

3 of the 4 semi finalists in that grade  are dual clubs,graigue being the exception

It begs the question what are the football only clubs at?.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Nameless on June 05, 2017, 01:08:13 PM
We need a complete change in approach and attitude. That's from everybody. Those involved in running things, coaching, clubs and supporters. We actually had someone in charge of this group of players who was in touch with the modern game and what was needed. Justin McNulty had them strong, fit and set up to compete but he was ran out of the county. We replaced him with a list of old school amateurs and we've paid the price. This group of players have paid the price. They are forced to compete against teams who've had 4 or 5 years of superior strength and conditioning programs in place.
And it works from the top down. If the senior team isn't getting adequate preparation then how will the underage teams get it? Our underage teams have been overran and overpowered for a good few years now and nothing is changing. We're living in the past, trying to produce nice dandy footballers and watching them being swathed aside year on year. Hopefully this is rock bottom and something changes from here but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 05, 2017, 01:27:01 PM
Very little heart and passion shown.
The fact is that we are now a soft touch on two fronts.

1) For well set up teams like Kildare who destroy us on a regular basis

and

2) For mediocre managers on the well paid merry go round.

Eamon McGee's take on his post match interview was telling. Still, what would he know!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Laoiseabu on June 05, 2017, 01:31:13 PM
Creedon wants four or five seasons including this season and he reckons we will be in division 1 ? Opinions?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: County Man on June 05, 2017, 01:36:12 PM
Gutted with another heavy loss to Kildare. Never expected to win but thought we could make them earn the win.

Started ok for first 20 minutes. Sublime goal by Donie Kingston as well. Then we ran out of steam.

I thought we would put up some sort of battle in 2nd half but really Kildare won at a canter.

The big difference was the lack of fitness, strength and conditioning.

Hopefully we can get a home draw now in the qualifiers and try to make amends for the defeat. Try to finish off whats left of the season on a positive note.

Laois Abu.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 05, 2017, 01:42:38 PM
Creedon wants four or five seasons including this season and he reckons we will be in division 1 ? Opinions?

Anyone is entitled to time, or to look for it in any case.

BUT!

I have seen or heard nothing that suggests he is capable of improving this (or any other) intercounty team.
He wasn't appointed late, had all possible resources available to him, and has been given an extremely easy ride by supporters and press.
Nobody expected a Leinster title. All he had to do was get the team organised and fit enough to compete in Division 3 (i.e. Don't get relegated) and look competitive yesterday. Failed miserably.
The usual excuses have already been presented by some here;
     Takes time to get a team fit....
     We don't have the players.....
     He's trying to make up for the previous manager......

We were bloody competitive v Dublin and beat Armagh (twice!!) last Summer. It wasn't FatClub he was coming into.

He has failed miserably, who would have done better- I don't know.
It would be some leap of faith to give this fella 3-4 years!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on June 05, 2017, 02:39:53 PM

If you think things are bad now, you can get a glimpse of the future by looking at the tables below for the under 14 "B" competition.  Only 4 of the current senior clubs are playing in the "A"  division in under 14. These are Portlaoise,  Portarlington,  Ballyroan and St Josephs. The other 12 clubs are in the "B". Some of the results make grim reading. 

http://www.laoisgaa.ie/league/115796/u-14_b_f_l_group_a

http://www.laoisgaa.ie/league/115795/u-14_b_f_l_group_b

3 of the 4 semi finalists in that grade  are dual clubs,graigue being the exception

It begs the question what are the football only clubs at?.

This is a good point. By the way, who are Na Fianna Og? Is it the two Arles teams seeing sense at last and coming together?

The only other A under 14 team is St Pauls which is 2 intermediate teams together.

Graigue should never be in B, that's just not on. And between Stradbally, Timahoe and Annanough, surely they should be A?

Of course Mountmellick abandoning the Ballyfin amalgamation was crazy too. What is B football doing for them?

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on June 05, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Thats twice in tullamore in a month we looked clueless.
Obviously this is much bigger than Creedon and i wanted to give him time but
we were a shambles. I just dont see any tactics. I dont see any movement in the forwards.
Horse it into Donie and hope for the best.

I remember someone saying a couple of years ago we're heading the way of offaly.
We've past them .. carlow would fancy their chances now ..

Maybe Creedon is a good underage coach not a county manager and thats where all the focus has to be for the next 5 or 6 years ..

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on June 05, 2017, 02:56:54 PM
Thats twice in tullamore in a month we looked clueless.
Obviously this is much bigger than Creedon and i wanted to give him time but
we were a shambles. I just dont see any tactics. I dont see any movement in the forwards.
Horse it into Donie and hope for the best.

I remember someone saying a couple of years ago we're heading the way of offaly.
We've past them .. carlow would fancy their chances now ..

Maybe Creedon is a good underage coach not a county manager and thats where all the focus has to be for the next 5 or 6 years ..

I would have said back Creedon until the championship was over. Maybe we'll get a fantastic run in the qualifiers but right now you'd have to say that's unlikely. I'll judge him then but it doesn't look like it's going to be a pass mark.
But then, you wonder, what the hell is changing to our 3rd manager in 3 years going to do, our 4th in 5 years?
I don't know the answer but I have to disagree with some previous posters. We do not have the players. There are sod all players out there not committing to the county panel that would improve our lot. Healy maybe (he is 31 or 32 though). Boyle and Cahillane from Portlaoise. Possibly young Murphy in Port who is a fine player. Maybe Matty Campion? We have been turning out poor to average minor and under 21 teams for far too long now and the upshot is the senior squad is slowly deteriorating year by year.
On a side note, I wonder was that Ross's last appearance in a county jersey? If so, what a sad way for him to finish up after such a wonderful contribution to the cause for 15 years.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on June 05, 2017, 03:11:10 PM

If you think things are bad now, you can get a glimpse of the future by looking at the tables below for the under 14 "B" competition.  Only 4 of the current senior clubs are playing in the "A"  division in under 14. These are Portlaoise,  Portarlington,  Ballyroan and St Josephs. The other 12 clubs are in the "B". Some of the results make grim reading. 

http://www.laoisgaa.ie/league/115796/u-14_b_f_l_group_a

http://www.laoisgaa.ie/league/115795/u-14_b_f_l_group_b

3 of the 4 semi finalists in that grade  are dual clubs,graigue being the exception

It begs the question what are the football only clubs at?.

This is a good point. By the way, who are Na Fianna Og? Is it the two Arles teams seeing sense at last and coming together?

The only other A under 14 team is St Pauls which is 2 intermediate teams together.

Graigue should never be in B, that's just not on. And between Stradbally, Timahoe and Annanough, surely they should be A?

Of course Mountmellick abandoning the Ballyfin amalgamation was crazy too. What is B football doing for them?

Na Fianna are the 2 Arles,finally some heads being knocked together over there,even if it is at least 10 years too late.

The likes of SPG need to have a good look at themselves too,all very saying well they should be in A,when their results are saying the opposite.

Whats going on at this grade will see chickens coming home to roost around 2026/27,no doubt it will be the Senior County Manager's fault then also.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 05, 2017, 03:33:27 PM

Whats going on at this grade will see chickens coming home to roost around 2026/27,no doubt it will be the Senior County Manager's fault then also.

There aren't too many, if any, on here saying that.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on June 05, 2017, 03:58:37 PM

Whats going on at this grade will see chickens coming home to roost around 2026/27,no doubt it will be the Senior County Manager's fault then also.

There aren't too many, if any, on here saying that.


You seem to have missed the last 6 months on here then

Town 1980 and Ballyroan Abu will be on shortly
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 05, 2017, 04:26:14 PM

Whats going on at this grade will see chickens coming home to roost around 2026/27,no doubt it will be the Senior County Manager's fault then also.

There aren't too many, if any, on here saying that.


You seem to have missed the last 6 months on here then

Town 1980 and Ballyroan Abu will be on shortly

And you seem to have missed the point.

Both of them have criticised Creedon. So have I. Admittedly they have both at times leaned towards it being mostly his fault. But I don't think either have said it was Creedon and Creedon alone.

They main problem here on this issue for the past 6 months was that if anybody attempted to criticise Creedon, along came Tony telling us we were blind and that it wasn't Creedon's fault- it was everybody elses.

It was impossible to engage on the matter.
Just because it wasn't ALL Creedon's fault didn't mean we couldn't point out that he was and is doing a piss poor job. Yet any attempt to point this out was met by a chorus of "the fools, the fools, the fools, they don't know what they are speaking of".
Both Town1980 and BallyroanAbu were painted as such simply for pointing out the many disasters of this tenure.

We were told to reserve judgement until the league, then it was the latter stages of the league, then it was the championship. Presuming we won't improve 10 fold for the qualifiers, should we just wait until next years O' Byrne Cup? Just to be fair like.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on June 05, 2017, 05:40:21 PM
A lot of this is creedons fault he is employed by laois gaa to have the team fit have a plan in place to tackle Kildare,, that was not evident in any department yesterday, some people on here have taken offence to myself and ballyroan Abu for pointing this out a long time ago now, but I also wonder about our players yes I spoke about a lot of indiscipline in the squad, I seen plenty up in as peter o Leary said up in ballyroan laughing joking jumping around as if they hadn't a care in the world to me this is a massive root to our problem also,, we have a manager who just im an interview after the game goes "awe sure "Kildare wer better than us, that's all he has to say and we have players who actually deep down at the minute don't give a hoot,, creedon has no fear factor time for him to go, and Tony also
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: O moore parklife on June 05, 2017, 06:35:30 PM
Town 1980 I distinctively remember peter o leary reference the crowd leaving early to go to the festival as I was thinking it myself. Please stop being so loose with your facts and comments on an anonymous forum as it has real life effects on the names you use. This is a statement I will not be replying to your badly written retort.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on June 05, 2017, 06:35:44 PM
Sick hard to get motivated to go to the qualifiers after that
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on June 05, 2017, 07:26:54 PM
Did I once mention any names ???? Im referring to lads attitude and really not giving a hoot that's a fact,, if u don't like it then I'm sorry but it all leads to the shite football we're playing ,, that's my point
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on June 05, 2017, 08:32:42 PM
Did I once mention any names ???? Im referring to lads attitude and really not giving a hoot that's a fact,, if u don't like it then I'm sorry but it all leads to the shite football we're playing ,, that's my point
Go away to f**k with your absolute bullshit lies. You're a f**king pest.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Cruella De Vil on June 05, 2017, 08:41:47 PM
I have to agree with town1980 point regarding Creedon having no fear factor. Rightly or wrongly, even if players aren't putting it in or doing what they are instructed to, the blame and responsibility will always come back to the manager. Team sport will always be like this, Offaly with babs, Man Utd with moyes, Leicester with ranieri (apologies for soccer examples)
The manger has to be strong enough and convincing enough to get the panel to buy into him, mcnulty generally could do it, it'll always be easier change one guy than start chopping up a panel of 26.
It's not as the idealists will tell you how it should be done, but it's reality.
Creedon is an unconvincing and uninspiring appointment, time for him to hop back on that merry-go-round with o'flatherta, pat Flanagan, bealin and the likes.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on June 05, 2017, 10:20:43 PM
Don your obviously not getting what I'm saying,,, tell me the lies I'm saying please???
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: O moore parklife on June 05, 2017, 10:32:07 PM
Don your obviously not getting what I'm saying,,, tell me the lies I'm saying please???

I promised myself I wouldn't reply but here we go
You said peter o leary said that players were having the craic laughing etc at the Ballyroan festival. When he actually said the crowds were leaving to enjoy the festival..so you basically lied twice. Firstly saying peter had said something he hadn't then fabricating a story that players were running around having the laughs etc.
I hope this clears it all up as I'm uncertain they have wrote an ANN and BARRY book to explain this to you..
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on June 06, 2017, 10:05:36 AM
Don your obviously not getting what I'm saying,,, tell me the lies I'm saying please???
You're lying about what POL said you despicable b**tard. POL done more for this county than the likes of you sniping behind your keyboard and you'd do well to pay him the respect he deserves. Easy sit at home listen to the radio than go out and support your countymen too.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on June 06, 2017, 10:12:11 AM
The team on Sunday would NEVER beat Kildare. The team on Sunday, at best, might shake up poor Division 2 sides, but Kildare are progressive, young and athletic. We are not. We don't have the players at the moment. We have one star forward and nothing to support him. We haven't one good man marker in the county. We did, but he opted to play hurling. It's not enough anyway. It will never be enough. Creedon can't make good players out of bad. Creedon can't turn water into wine.

It shocks me that for all town180 thinks he knows, he doesn't know what a good footballer looks like. He has expectations of Laois lads but none of his home town. That's being very selective and disingenuous. Was he so scathing when Portlaoise lost to a terrible Stradbally team? I doubt it. No balance. Just blame the lads who are there and trying their best. And when their best isn't good enough? Oh shur that's Creedon's fault. Well it isn't. The players are not good enough, As a team, we're not good enough. As a county, we're not good enough. Nothing we do in Laois right now is good enough. In my world, it's easier to admit that than to go on flogging the dead horse.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: theoldvet on June 06, 2017, 06:41:48 PM
      The players are not good enough, As a team, we're not good enough. As a county, we're not good enough. Nothing we do in Laois right now is good enough. In my world, it's easier to admit that than to go on flogging the dead horse.

 And that the truth,
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Cruella De Vil on June 06, 2017, 08:39:53 PM
      The players are not good enough, As a team, we're not good enough. As a county, we're not good enough. Nothing we do in Laois right now is good enough. In my world, it's easier to admit that than to go on flogging the dead horse.

 And that the truth,

Agreed not good enough for Kildare and the likes, but we got beat by the likes of Sligo, Antrim, the f**king biffos, and got stuffed by Louth at home. Leave the Tipp result aside, as they are a decent outfit.
We should be good enough for any of these, add Creedon to your list, he is NOT the answer.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on June 07, 2017, 09:44:08 AM

Whats going on at this grade will see chickens coming home to roost around 2026/27,no doubt it will be the Senior County Manager's fault then also.

There aren't too many, if any, on here saying that.


You seem to have missed the last 6 months on here then

Town 1980 and Ballyroan Abu will be on shortly

And you seem to have missed the point.

Both of them have criticised Creedon. So have I. Admittedly they have both at times leaned towards it being mostly his fault. But I don't think either have said it was Creedon and Creedon alone.

They main problem here on this issue for the past 6 months was that if anybody attempted to criticise Creedon, along came Tony telling us we were blind and that it wasn't Creedon's fault- it was everybody elses.

It was impossible to engage on the matter.
Just because it wasn't ALL Creedon's fault didn't mean we couldn't point out that he was and is doing a piss poor job. Yet any attempt to point this out was met by a chorus of "the fools, the fools, the fools, they don't know what they are speaking of".
Both Town1980 and BallyroanAbu were painted as such simply for pointing out the many disasters of this tenure.

We were told to reserve judgement until the league, then it was the latter stages of the league, then it was the championship. Presuming we won't improve 10 fold for the qualifiers, should we just wait until next years O' Byrne Cup? Just to be fair like.

Thank You for being fair, I don't really have an issue with anyone here we all want the same thing really.   I just think we need to grow up about how we do it.  Money is at the center of all this, we simply need more for GDA's, Facilities and Teams.  Laois may want to stay amateur but it's clear that alot of counties no longer are.  We are being left behind.  Get young managers, gda's stop wasting money on plugging holes.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on June 07, 2017, 09:57:11 AM

Whats going on at this grade will see chickens coming home to roost around 2026/27,no doubt it will be the Senior County Manager's fault then also.

There aren't too many, if any, on here saying that.


You seem to have missed the last 6 months on here then

Town 1980 and Ballyroan Abu will be on shortly

And you seem to have missed the point.

Both of them have criticised Creedon. So have I. Admittedly they have both at times leaned towards it being mostly his fault. But I don't think either have said it was Creedon and Creedon alone.

They main problem here on this issue for the past 6 months was that if anybody attempted to criticise Creedon, along came Tony telling us we were blind and that it wasn't Creedon's fault- it was everybody elses.

It was impossible to engage on the matter.
Just because it wasn't ALL Creedon's fault didn't mean we couldn't point out that he was and is doing a piss poor job. Yet any attempt to point this out was met by a chorus of "the fools, the fools, the fools, they don't know what they are speaking of".
Both Town1980 and BallyroanAbu were painted as such simply for pointing out the many disasters of this tenure.

We were told to reserve judgement until the league, then it was the latter stages of the league, then it was the championship. Presuming we won't improve 10 fold for the qualifiers, should we just wait until next years O' Byrne Cup? Just to be fair like.

Thank You for being fair, I don't really have an issue with anyone here we all want the same thing really.   I just think we need to grow up about how we do it.  Money is at the center of all this, we simply need more for GDA's, Facilities and Teams.  Laois may want to stay amateur but it's clear that alot of counties no longer are.  We are being left behind.  Get young managers, gda's stop wasting money on plugging holes.

The point is this

Creedon is the last point on the conveyor belt.

If Micko,Cody and Jim Gavin took over in the morning there is very little in the way of instant improvement they could make.

Laois football is facing an existential crisis from u12 up,in terms of its governance,funding and direction.

And I agree with Ballyroan Abu,it does boil down to money,but as someone involved in mainly juvenile hurling,the standard of coaching at that level leaves a lot to be desired,we could have 20 Gda's but if coaches won't adhere to best practice,we are at very little.

This has to be driven from both bottom up and top down.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on June 07, 2017, 10:07:37 AM
I think your wrong on that Clonad,  there would be an instant improvement.  I doubt they would get further than Div 2 but they would improve.  There is a lot wrong within our structures but Donie Kingston is prob in the top ten forwards in the country I would expect someone who knows what they are doing can build something around him.  But why should we accept being shit and stay there,  I would be more worried about that.  We are in a wonderful place if someone had the foresight to realize it,  simply put things can only get better.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Laoiseabu on June 07, 2017, 10:32:09 AM
I'd agree with Clonad . If Micko took over what would he do with our aging players, Quigley, Begley, Meaney , McMahon, Booth, Timmons, Donoher, Strong, Conway, Munnelly.  Micko can hardly wave a magic wand here. These lads have to be replaced soon and who is gonna replace them ? Things will get worse before better.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Laoiseabu on June 07, 2017, 10:34:10 AM
Not much more can be got out of them players at that end of the age spectrum is my point . So where is the division 2 potential in this team so?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on June 07, 2017, 12:59:16 PM
Was going to do my usual player rating but It just wouldn't be fair.

Brody and McMahon did okay .

O'Connor tried as did Quigley but were off the mark.

O'Carroll tried hard early doors with out much success!

Begley ran himself into the ground after 20 mins but like most laois players he was out of breath after that.

Walsh did okay when he was brought in as did Meaney but the game was over as a contest long before that.

I'm afraid its hard to say anyhting only it was as poor as I've seen in years.

Maybe just maybe the players can lift themselves get a win in wicklow and provide some bright spark for supporters.


Maybe having Timmons Lillis and Attride fit the next day might improve the back line!

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on June 07, 2017, 02:12:31 PM
I think your wrong on that Clonad,  there would be an instant improvement.  I doubt they would get further than Div 2 but they would improve.  There is a lot wrong within our structures but Donie Kingston is prob in the top ten forwards in the country I would expect someone who knows what they are doing can build something around him.  But why should we accept being shit and stay there,  I would be more worried about that.  We are in a wonderful place if someone had the foresight to realize it,  simply put things can only get better.

I don't know why your posts rub me up so badly, but they do. Here you go again, peddling false hope. Wake up and look around you. The players are not there. They're not in your club, my club or any other club for that matter. You come on here talking about a wonderful place and foresight and it's a crock of shite. Get real. Accept the fact that this is one of the lowest points in Laois' history and bring your positivity to the County Board with a new plan, because they like you think if we keep rubbing the bottle the genie will appear. A result in Aughrim won't kick start anything. Padraig Clancy, Jim Gavin or whoever you want in there won't change anything. You can't see the blindingly obvious and you have Laois football on a pedestal it doesn't deserve. I looked at the fixtures there and your team are playing this week. Look at them and try to visualise how many could be made into proper county footballers. This doesn't happen because you want it to or you wish it were so.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on June 07, 2017, 02:25:09 PM
I'd agree with Clonad . If Micko took over what would he do with our aging players, Quigley, Begley, Meaney , McMahon, Booth, Timmons, Donoher, Strong, Conway, Munnelly.  Micko can hardly wave a magic wand here. These lads have to be replaced soon and who is gonna replace them ? Things will get worse before better.

This was not the first time we were beaten by 13 or 14 points but other times there was always hope because there were good u21 or minor players coming through this time it's different as there's nothing coming through.
Of the 10 mentioned above, my own view is a lot of them are there on repetition only and are no where near the players they once were, there's nothing to push them on or nothing to push them out.
Just go through the motions and I'll still be playing.

Clonadmad said in a recent post "the chickens would be coming home to roost" in about 10 years I think they have been roosting for the last 10.
Can it get worse ??? Probably but what difference will it make, top or bottom of division 4 !!!

What can be done...... I can't see what difference more money will make if there's not someone driving this from the top. It's not acceptable that big lone established clubs are not trying to develop young players and enter teams while other smaller clubs are. This needs to be driven home and the sooner the better as it's going to take 10 years.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Laoiseabu on June 07, 2017, 02:27:09 PM
High fielder and OTF I would totally agree👍👍
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on June 07, 2017, 03:08:34 PM
I think the general concensus here is that we are a shambles from the top down.

I live in dublin. I dont have a butchers whats going on at juvenile or club level or with the county board.

I just rock up to the home league games and the championship games so i cant offer any solutions ..

This is the lowest point in the 25 years i've been following Laois Teams.

I think we are a bit better than last Sunday. Tactically we seem clueless. Playing as individuals. Forgetting about talent or lack of it
this isnt a team in the real sense from what i can see. Its a bunch of individuals. WE were within a kick of a ball of making the QF last
year so i think we are over doing the lack of talent thing. There is some talent in that squad. It was like boys against men last week.
Physically we couldnt compete. Whose fault is that? We should be a bit better than Sunday. We are 6/7 point behind kildare not 14 . . .
I accept we are fooked when 5 or 6 of our main lads retire in a few weeks time as there is little or nothing coming through.

Accepting we are bolloxed .. can those in the know at grass root level offer a way forward ..

Give me some hope ..



Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 07, 2017, 03:27:11 PM
I disagree that we are where our available talent decrees we should be.

Again as I said weeks ago nobody is expecting us to be up there with Mayo, Dublin or Kerry. In fact, we are not even expecting really to be at Kildare's level.
But this doesn't mean we are among the bottom 8 teams in the country. Our league results and championship performance suggest we are.

On available talent; we haven't been setting the world alight at minor and u21 level. But we also haven't been losing to the likes of Offaly, Carlow, Westmeath and Wicklow on a regular basis.
Bar a brief period of about 10 years we never had consistently excellent minor teams AFAIK.

We are not very good. But we are better than Division 4 and we are better than they way last Sunday went. That would be my opinion.
Based on what? Based on the fact that it's only the top 3 or 4 teams in Leinster that beat us regularly at underage. Based on the fact that we were comfortable in Division 2 in 2013 & 2014, less so in 2015. Even in 2016 it came down to the last game before relegation.
Based on the fact that our county champions generally beat those from most counties (except Dublin).

I don't think that everything else is grand and it's all at Creedon's door.
But, this man has been backed, is being well paid and everything from discipline, fitness levels and game plans have been atrocious.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unison on June 07, 2017, 04:23:16 PM
By no means is all Creedon's fault, but the poor fitness level of the team is. What is he being paid for?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Giovanni on June 07, 2017, 05:14:11 PM

Of the 10 mentioned above, my own view is a lot of them are there on repetition only and are no where near the players they once were, there's nothing to push them on or nothing to push them out.
Just go through the motions and I'll still be playing.


I think this is at the heart of it. I have no doubt that the nucleus of the team is strong (notwithstanding the fact that age is becoming an increasingly important factor). This team has plenty of talent (just talk to inter-county players from other counties) but the edge is completely gone. That shows in the lack of fitness, the lack of fight, the lack of togetherness and team spirit.

The basic problem, in my opinion, is that the whole thing seems very stale. There have been very few new panellists over the last 5 or 6 years and the lads that have been there since they were 21 or 22 know that there is nobody coming to take their places.

A really top notch manager would be able to correct some of these things, even if there is a lack of competition for places. However, most managers would not. Creedon certainly hasn't solved it but he's no better or worse than 95% of the managers in the country. It is possible for a manager to change the spirit/mentality of the camp but, realistically, this is unlikely.

The change in mindset needs to come from the players themselves in the first place. 



Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Nameless on June 07, 2017, 05:50:59 PM
Lads, this is basically the same squad we've had for the last 6/7 years. Yes some players are older now but they're not 35/36! How did we go from division 1/high division 2 to division 4? How did we go from challenging Dublin and Donegal in the latter stages of the championship to going out to teams like Clare and Antrim?
To me it's clear. O'Flatharta, Lillis and now Creeden. Amateur set ups have destroyed these players. While other counties have developed and improved their players, we've gone backwards. Physically, tactically, mentally, we're just nowhere near what these players are capable of. I'm not saying they are world beaters but they are far better than what they've shown for the past few years. It may be too late for them now.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on June 07, 2017, 07:50:15 PM
Lads, this is basically the same squad we've had for the last 6/7 years. Yes some players are older now but they're not 35/36! How did we go from division 1/high division 2 to division 4? How did we go from challenging Dublin and Donegal in the latter stages of the championship to going out to teams like Clare and Antrim?
To me it's clear. O'Flatharta, Lillis and now Creeden. Amateur set ups have destroyed these players. While other counties have developed and improved their players, we've gone backwards. Physically, tactically, mentally, we're just nowhere near what these players are capable of. I'm not saying they are world beaters but they are far better than what they've shown for the past few years. It may be too late for them now.

It's 5 years since we challenged Dublin in 2012 all those lads were in their prime including Ross.
Gone are Healy POL Billy Clancy Boyle it's not the same panel or anything like it.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on June 07, 2017, 08:03:36 PM
I disagree that we are where our available talent decrees we should be.

Again as I said weeks ago nobody is expecting us to be up there with Mayo, Dublin or Kerry. In fact, we are not even expecting really to be at Kildare's level.
But this doesn't mean we are among the bottom 8 teams in the country. Our league results and championship performance suggest we are.

On available talent; we haven't been setting the world alight at minor and u21 level. But we also haven't been losing to the likes of Offaly, Carlow, Westmeath and Wicklow on a regular basis.
Bar a brief period of about 10 years we never had consistently excellent minor teams AFAIK.

We are not very good. But we are better than Division 4 and we are better than they way last Sunday went. That would be my opinion.
Based on what? Based on the fact that it's only the top 3 or 4 teams in Leinster that beat us regularly at underage. Based on the fact that we were comfortable in Division 2 in 2013 & 2014, less so in 2015. Even in 2016 it came down to the last game before relegation.
Based on the fact that our county champions generally beat those from most counties (except Dublin).

I don't think that everything else is grand and it's all at Creedon's door.
But, this man has been backed, is being well paid and everything from discipline, fitness levels and game plans have been atrocious.

I've posted this before, since the 60's we have won 2 u21 Leinster titles each decade except the seventies and we got great returns from those teams. We were one ot the top underage counties look at the ROH there's no reason why we can't be still up there at underage at least.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Target Man on June 07, 2017, 08:13:38 PM
Clare, Down,Tipperary,Louth
Derry,Fermanagh, Armagh, Sligo, Offaly, longford,Westmeath, Wexford
Antrim, Laois, Carlow, Leitrim, Limerick,Waterford, Wicklow, London

Thats the bottom 20 teams according to league positions. Apart from Tipperary, who has had great underage success ? Who has a significantly better group of players than us? I would think we have as good players as at least 15 of those teams if not more. So I would think being a division 2 side is where this team could be if well managed, at the very least we should be comfortable in Division 3

Creedon has been very poor so far. No, I don't expect us to win All Irelands or Leinsters. I do expect us to do well against poor teams like Sligo, Antrim and Offaly. I also expect us to put in a battle against good (but not top) teams like Kildare, we might lose but we should at least be able to compete with them for most of the game. We dont have any divine right to beat teams I mentioned, but if the team is well prepared I dont see why we shouldn't.

Are there problems with our underage structure and player development? Absolutely, and we need to do work to improve them immediately. Are the players as good as we would like? Probably not. But Creedon hasn't got anywhere near the max out of them and himself and his management team are a substantial reason we have had disasterous results this year.

For those who think the manager doesn't matter, I could'nt disagree more. I'd be shocked if Jim Gavin couldn't have at least kept us in division 3, but I guess we'll never know. There are loads of examples of managers making a difference, its not the only factor but its an important factor. Colm Collins in Clare is a good example

Some of our players need also to take a serious look at their workrate and decision making in games. There are many of our more talented andexperienced players who are poor in these areas (I'm not questioning their commitment to Laois football, but it is a damning inditement of coaching they have received and their own ability to learn)
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Nameless on June 07, 2017, 08:27:46 PM
Lads, this is basically the same squad we've had for the last 6/7 years. Yes some players are older now but they're not 35/36! How did we go from division 1/high division 2 to division 4? How did we go from challenging Dublin and Donegal in the latter stages of the championship to going out to teams like Clare and Antrim?
To me it's clear. O'Flatharta, Lillis and now Creeden. Amateur set ups have destroyed these players. While other counties have developed and improved their players, we've gone backwards. Physically, tactically, mentally, we're just nowhere near what these players are capable of. I'm not saying they are world beaters but they are far better than what they've shown for the past few years. It may be too late for them now.



It's 5 years since we challenged Dublin in 2012 all those lads were in their prime including Ross.
Gone are Healy POL Billy Clancy Boyle it's not the same panel or anything like it.

Let's not overestimate the ability of Billy, Clancy (at that stage of his career) and Boyle. They were no better than what we have now. Healy and O'Leary are big losses but we had no Kingston in 2012, Meaney was forced to play full back. You say they were in their prime so did they suddenly go out of it when losing to Tipperary the year after it? Antrim the year after that?
Look at the team that ran Donegal close:
Eoin Culliton (Timahoe); Paul Begley (Stradbally), Mark Timmons (Graiguecullen), Peter O’Leary (O’Dempsey’s); Darren Strong (Emo), Kieran Lillis (Portlaoise), Padraig McMahon (Ballyroan Abbey); Padraig Clancy (Timahoe), John O’Loughlin (St Brigid’s); Ross Munnelly (Arles-Kilcruise), Billy Sheehan (Emo), Colm Begley (Parnells); Conor Meredith (O’Dempsey’s), Donal Kingston (Arles-Killeen), Evan O’Carroll (Crettyard).
This is the team that lost to Antrim:
G Brody; D O’Connor, M Timmons, S Attride; D Strong (0-02), G Hanrahan, C Begley; B Quigley, J O’Loughlin (0-01); N Donoher (0-01), C Boyle, E O’Carroll (0-01); R Munnelly (0-04, 2f), D Kingston (0-07, 1f), P Kingston (1-00).

It's the difference between a manager and set up getting the best out of players and other set ups doing the opposite.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on June 07, 2017, 09:28:27 PM
Lads, this is basically the same squad we've had for the last 6/7 years. Yes some players are older now but they're not 35/36! How did we go from division 1/high division 2 to division 4? How did we go from challenging Dublin and Donegal in the latter stages of the championship to going out to teams like Clare and Antrim?
To me it's clear. O'Flatharta, Lillis and now Creeden. Amateur set ups have destroyed these players. While other counties have developed and improved their players, we've gone backwards. Physically, tactically, mentally, we're just nowhere near what these players are capable of. I'm not saying they are world beaters but they are far better than what they've shown for the past few years. It may be too late for them now.



It's 5 years since we challenged Dublin in 2012 all those lads were in their prime including Ross.
Gone are Healy POL Billy Clancy Boyle it's not the same panel or anything like it.

Let's not overestimate the ability of Billy, Clancy (at that stage of his career) and Boyle. They were no better than what we have now. Healy and O'Leary are big losses but we had no Kingston in 2012, Meaney was forced to play full back. You say they were in their prime so did they suddenly go out of it when losing to Tipperary the year after it? Antrim the year after that?
Look at the team that ran Donegal close:
Eoin Culliton (Timahoe); Paul Begley (Stradbally), Mark Timmons (Graiguecullen), Peter O’Leary (O’Dempsey’s); Darren Strong (Emo), Kieran Lillis (Portlaoise), Padraig McMahon (Ballyroan Abbey); Padraig Clancy (Timahoe), John O’Loughlin (St Brigid’s); Ross Munnelly (Arles-Kilcruise), Billy Sheehan (Emo), Colm Begley (Parnells); Conor Meredith (O’Dempsey’s), Donal Kingston (Arles-Killeen), Evan O’Carroll (Crettyard).
This is the team that lost to Antrim:
G Brody; D O’Connor, M Timmons, S Attride; D Strong (0-02), G Hanrahan, C Begley; B Quigley, J O’Loughlin (0-01); N Donoher (0-01), C Boyle, E O’Carroll (0-01); R Munnelly (0-04, 2f), D Kingston (0-07, 1f), P Kingston (1-00).

It's the difference between a manager and set up getting the best out of players and other set ups doing the opposite.
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I'm disagreeing with very little of above especially McNulty and what replaced him.
Billy we'll disagree on ...a leader sadly lacking at the moment.
My point is a lot of the name are the same but they are not the same players.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on June 07, 2017, 10:21:19 PM
Billy may have been a cuntball of a player to come up against, but he was one of the smartest we togged out in 20 years and his experience is sadly missed. We'd do well to consider getting him involved somehow.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 07, 2017, 10:25:41 PM
Billy may have been a cuntball of a player to come up against, but he was one of the smartest we togged out in 20 years and his experience is sadly missed. We'd do well to consider getting him involved somehow.

I'd second that. There is a lot to be said for a fella who,, aware of technical limitations, presents in top physical condition and ready to go to war EVERYDAY! These guys usually have pretty good game intelligence.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Nameless on June 07, 2017, 11:10:48 PM
Yeah Billy always gave 100%. He still goes to all the games, after Creedon I agree that we could do a lot worse than having Billy involved in some capacity.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on June 08, 2017, 10:13:21 AM
Billy may have been a cuntball of a player to come up against, but he was one of the smartest we togged out in 20 years and his experience is sadly missed. We'd do well to consider getting him involved somehow.

I agree 100%

However  I'd say that proposal wouldn't meet with universal approval.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on June 08, 2017, 10:31:16 AM



From today's Irish times
Jim McGuinness: All counties equal, but some more equal than others
Amateur? Like Mr Seligman’s dogs, most counties feel there’s nothing they can do
 
We were in the television studio in Portlaoise early on Saturday so I got a perfect view of Dublin as they pulled into the ground. Everything about their arrival was impressive.
On the drive down, I noticed that the All-Ireland champions were 200/1 on to win and that Carlow, meanwhile, were 33/1. The scale of the odds disturbed me.
Everyone reads Animal Farm at some stage in school and there is a reason why that line about all animals being equal, but some are more equal than others, has become so widely quoted. You see it in all walks of life. More than ever, it has become the governing truth of Gaelic football.
Everything about Dublin’s arrival looked sleek and polished and purposeful. It was an operation. The coach looked good. You could see they had a big support staff in their ranks. The players went about their business; the coaching staff prepared the pitch for their pre-match drills. Everyone had a clearly defined role and they followed it.

And on one level, it was wonderful to see the best team in an amateur sport achieving such a level of sophistication. Dublin have done everything possible to improve themselves as an entity over the last decade and this arrival was a visible manifestation of that.
It reminded me of the way Celtic operate on away days. But then you remember that the GAA is supposed to be an ‘amateur organisation’. Maybe the definition of that term needs to be revisited now. Because there are at least two levels within Gaelic football now and the higher tier bears a scant resemblance to the meaning of amateurism as we used to understand it.
So I watched the teams warming up and wondered how we got to this point and where Gaelic football is going. I think the majority of counties are on the verge of relinquishing hope. And I believe that GAA headquarters needs to hold an intervention to save Gaelic football from itself.

There is no real opportunity for most young players in the majority of counties to excel
It is becoming obvious that the vast majority of county boards either don’t have the willingness or the knowledge of how to live with the small group of elite counties that have set the standard for the past decade. So what can be done?
During the week, I caught some of a debate on the British election in which Jeremy Corbyn was hammering home the need to scrap tuition fees so that kids from all walks of life could get a fairer chance of a good education.
The statistics showed that kids from less privileged backgrounds just weren’t getting the same opportunity in education, and therefore in life, as those from more advantaged backgrounds.
The same argument pertains in the GAA now. There is no real opportunity for most young players in the majority of counties to excel. We could see that in Portlaoise on Saturday. Carlow came with a clear, well-worked game plan and performed with boldness of intent and real courage. They were still soundly beaten by a Dublin team that was in third gear.
Deep down, the players on both sides and those of us watching knew there was a gulf between the sides. It’s not about natural ability: it is about all the support systems behind Dublin and the other strong counties. It creates an environment of inequality.
If you are a Division Three or Four player trying to get ready to take on the elite players, how are you supposed to look your opponent in the eye and think: “I am ready for you.” You cannot. Because you know that it’s a lie.
Studying Dublin’s record during the week I was astonished to see that they have lost just twice in Leinster since 2004. That has been turning around in my head ever since. It’s a dizzying thought.
The world was a very different place 13 years ago. At that time, there was no inkling of this separation or gulf defining Gaelic football. But that is what has happened.
Tyrone prised their foot in the door around then and established themselves as a top-tier county. Their first All-Ireland success, coupled with an incredible fund-raising culture, enabled them to build a state of the art facility and put a huge emphasis on coaching. They laid success for subsequent generations to walk in the door to a system and culture that is in place.
Tyrone’s centre of excellence in Garvaghy.
Tyrone’s centre of excellence in Garvaghy.
Kerry’s biggest feature is that kids in that county aspire to wear the jersey. Mayo has a very strong football tradition and are driven by the hope of emancipating the county from the pain of coming so close so often. Galway has an assured sense of its own place. Donegal have managed to thrive after making a breakthrough in 2012, but I would be less certain of their ability to stay in that top tier unless football is resourced properly at board level.
The point is that all of these counties thrive on a kind of cause. It’s what creates the internal energy. Most counties don’t have that resource right now.
In 1997, I went I went down to Tralee to college. We won the Sigerson the following year.
The competition was actually held in Tralee. Because of that, we stayed in Killarney to prepare and we were put up in a very nice hotel. I remember that when we arrived, there was a flip chart in the corner of the meeting room and every single waking hour and detail was accounted for. I had never seen that at club or county level before. It was a level of organisation and a professionalisation of attitude instilled by Val Andrews and, later, Vinny O’Shea.

People made sacrifices. Moynihan was driving over from Glenflesk for 7am sessions
So we won the thing three years in a row. UCC were our big local rivals. When we would play, they often chanted “Come on, College.” The message was that they were playing for a proper university while we were “IT” students.
The 1999 Sigerson was played in Belfast. In the Queen’s students union on the night we were celebrating, the UCC lads started singing “Ye bought the Sigerson.” And the Tralee gang was singing back “We’ve got the cup and we can’t get rid of it.”
It’s well known that the Tralee team was stacked with All-Ireland winners and players like Michael Donnellan, Seamus Moynihan and Pádraic Joyce. And we all got scholarships and we walked into this terrific training system.
Now, people made sacrifices. Moynihan was driving over from Glenflesk for 7am sessions. It wasn’t a professional set up. But in a way, we did buy those Sigersons through the quality of the set-up. The other teams weren’t in a position to match what Tralee had just then. That’s what is going on an inter-county level now.
Next summer, the Super Eight will be the big innovation. I’d really love to know what the GAA thinks that term “Super Eight” says to the other 25 counties. I feel it will further convince them to believe that there is nothing they can do about the situation.

In the late 1960s, an American psychologist named Martin Seligman carried out a series of experiments using dogs grouped in harnesses who were subjected to electric shocks. One group could end the shocks by pressing a lever with their paws. But the third group could not and learned to believe that the shocks were inescapable.
In the next part of the experiment, the same group of dogs were placed in an area divided into boxes with low partitions. They could escape the shocks on one side by simply jumping the partition to the other side. But most of the dogs in the third group still believed they could do nothing to escape their fate and simply lay down and accepted the shock time and time again.
Seligman termed this behaviour “learned helplessness”. I think it describes the attitudes within many county boards right now. They simply exist. They believe that there is nothing they can really do to live with the big counties.
There will always be strong counties. But the GAA can make the game fairer.
Finance is one obvious area that is ripe for reform. The big counties like Kerry and Dublin have terrific brands. But if the GAA is a genuine amateur organisation and if it is proposing its marquee competition, the All-Ireland championship, as a fair contest, then how can four or five counties use their financial worth to shoot past the opposition? In a professional, commercial context, that is absolutely fine. But it is, by definition, unfair in an amateur arena.
What if that money was then pooled centrally and used to set up a nationwide coaching apparatus
What would happen, for instance, if rather than every county chasing its own sponsor, there was one central sponsor of every county in the championship?
Let’s say that it is Coca-Cola. So every team, from Dublin to Carlow wears that logo on its shirt. AIG is willing to give Dublin €4 million. Bayern Munich has agreed a deal with Adidas for €900 million over 10 years. So could a uniform sponsorship deliver, say, €10 million to the GAA per annum? Surely that’s not too much of a stretch.

What if that money was then pooled centrally and used to set up a nationwide coaching apparatus with a national high performance director and a high performance manager in each county? This would give young players the same access to coaching and benefits at primary, secondary and club level.
What if every county rolled out a nationalised programme incorporating everything from coaching to S&C to nutrition so that they have a chance to be the very best they can be?
I think that would change the mindset immediately. Dublin will always be a strong football county because they have 1.4 million people and they have a system in place now. So too will Kerry. But at least if a county like Carlow has a fairer share of funding, then the standards in those counties will rise.
In 2004, Armagh were probably the envy of most counties. They had a brilliant team and a terrific manager and a clear vision of how they wanted to play. They were driven, conscientious and ambitious. I think they were among the last of the old GAA pattern of an exceptional team “coming along” every so often.
The county gets a lift and interest becomes intense and then that team fades and things quieten down again.
Those rules don’t apply any more to the elite counties. This particular Dublin team will fade. But Dublin as an entity won’t. I believe the same is true of Kerry and also Tyrone.

After that, it becomes more difficult to predict. I think there is a distinct danger of Gaelic football reflecting the hurling championship, with a handful of counties playing on an entirely different plane.
Like Mr Seligman’s poor dogs, have come to feel that there is nothing they can do about it
But there is also a bleaker possibility that the entire championship will be reduced to a two-horse race. The best counties will keep pushing boundaries and trying to improve. Why wouldn’t they? They would be crazy not to.
The opposite will become true for those counties who, like Mr Seligman’s poor dogs, have come to feel that there is nothing they can do about it. They will lie there and accept their fate. We have seen this happen in too many championship games already this summer and there is worse to come.
The GAA must either act fast to change the collective thinking or else give up the pretence that the championship is a competition open to all counties.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Stradism on June 08, 2017, 12:34:42 PM
Some great posts on here since the game but here's a small thought I had during the week and a somewhat different perspective to what has been posted since Sunday.

This current panel consists of some good players who have been on the road along time including; Donie, Quigley, McMahon, Strong, Begley etc.  Sprinkled with some, (but not enough) decent youth who were apart of exclusively unsuccessful minor and U21 teams.

As for the players in their 8th,9th,10th season or whatever; These guys have taken heavy, heavy defeats. Our provincial performances since our last Leinster final appearance (in 2007) have been atrocious. The defeats include;

2008-   Wexford           6pts
2009-   Kildare      15pts
2010-    Meath       10pts

2011-   Dublin        8pts
2012-   Longford     1pt
2013-    Louth        10pts
2014-   Dublin        12pts
2015-   Kildare       13pts
2016-   Dublin        11pts
2017-   Kildare      14pts


Was last weekend a surprise?

We can talk about fitness, that Peter Creedon is incapable as a manager or whatever. Kildare physically, are at a different level to Laois. I agree.

But my point is;

Players don’t take responsibility, the towel is thrown in and powerful & pacey teams like Kildare, Meath, Dublin will kick for home and embarrass you.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on June 08, 2017, 02:46:43 PM
I totally agree with that McGuinness article. The GAA is into the realms of Eddie The Eagle when it allows the likes of Carlow and ourselves to be in the same competition as Dublin. 33/1 in a two horse race? We'd be about the same. We have too many disadvantages to be competitive. We're a small county as it is and a dual county to further diminish our chances. Population, sponsorship, coaching, grants and so much more is plentiful elsewhere are scarce here. The GAA is a busted flush in my opinion. Outside of the Munster Hurling Championship, the Provincial system is boring and mostly uncompetitive. The Leagues (home and away games) should take precedence with an FA Cup style All Ireland. Scrap all these completely ridiculous challenge games and have teams playing a game every weekend. 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Joeythelips on June 09, 2017, 10:35:27 AM
McGuinness' article is good alright and I agree that the championship at present is a bit of a farce. It needs to be a seeded system with seeding been influnced by league and provincial championships and previous years performance.

But I don't fully buy into his arguement. Dublin are far advanced in terms of structures, financial backing and preparation. But if this was the simple formula then how come they don't win hurling All Irelands. How can a county like Kilkenny with its population basically dominate them at this sport (not saying it will always be this way). Essentially there is a blueprint out there for how smaller counties can not only compete but can in fact be successful, and it highlights what has gone wrong with our own county. I know Kilkenny only focus on hurling but the point is still valid.

1. The whole focus in Kilkenny is to produce a large pool of quality well coached hurlers from an early age, the game is well promoted and encouraged in all primary schools and teachers play a big part also.

2.This will feed into a well balanced competitive club scene at underage which helps develop players further.

3. The best players are then picked for development squads, where they are coached to almost inter county levels with the intention not of winning minors or u-21s (although this would naturally be a byproduct some years) but with developing senior standard players.

4. Some years this may only produce 3 or 4 players capable of joining the senior squad but its creates a conveyor belt of talent and again the ones who don't make it at this stage feed back into what is are ultra competitive senior and intermediate club competitions. The club scene is treated with respect as its a vital part of the cog here, with inter county stars expected to play club fixtures during the inter county championship.

5. This conveyor belt effect means the Senior squad is extremely competitive rather than a 10/11 top players and rest just average players who just make up the numbers. This keeps all players on their toes, even the star players as no one is guaranteed their place. Cody is the main instigator of this culture which began with Carlie Carter been famously been demoted.

Here is a Strategic plan http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/Downloads/StrategicPlan.pdf (http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/Downloads/StrategicPlan.pdf) Kilkenny County board had in 2010, nothing out of the ordinary on here but look at it and then remind yourself that Laois GAA don't even have a decent website. We have a losers mindset which needs to change soon.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Giovanni on June 09, 2017, 11:06:44 AM
McGuinness' article is good alright and I agree that the championship at present is a bit of a farce. It needs to be a seeded system with seeding been influnced by league and provincial championships and previous years performance.

But I don't fully buy into his arguement. Dublin are far advanced in terms of structures, financial backing and preparation. But if this was the simple formula then how come they don't win hurling All Irelands. How can a county like Kilkenny with its population basically dominate them at this sport (not saying it will always be this way). Essentially there is a blueprint out there for how smaller counties can not only compete but can in fact be successful, and it highlights what has gone wrong with our own county. I know Kilkenny only focus on hurling but the point is still valid.

1. The whole focus in Kilkenny is to produce a large pool of quality well coached hurlers from an early age, the game is well promoted and encouraged in all primary schools and teachers play a big part also.

2.This will feed into a well balanced competitive club scene at underage which helps develop players further.

3. The best players are then picked for development squads, where they are coached to almost inter county levels with the intention not of winning minors or u-21s (although this would naturally be a byproduct some years) but with developing senior standard players.

4. Some years this may only produce 3 or 4 players capable of joining the senior squad but its creates a conveyor belt of talent and again the ones who don't make it at this stage feed back into what is are ultra competitive senior and intermediate club competitions. The club scene is treated with respect as its a vital part of the cog here, with inter county stars expected to play club fixtures during the inter county championship.

5. This conveyor belt effect means the Senior squad is extremely competitive rather than a 10/11 top players and rest just average players who just make up the numbers. This keeps all players on their toes, even the star players as no one is guaranteed their place. Cody is the main instigator of this culture which began with Carlie Carter been famously been demoted.

Here is a Strategic plan http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/Downloads/StrategicPlan.pdf (http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/Downloads/StrategicPlan.pdf) Kilkenny County board had in 2010, nothing out of the ordinary on here but look at it and then remind yourself that Laois GAA don't even have a decent website. We have a losers mindset which needs to change soon.

Brilliant post Joeythelips.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on June 10, 2017, 03:58:12 PM
I like your post Joey but you were right when you said Kilkenny only focus on hurling. Also, you have to factor in history and tradition, because it plays a part in shaping the future too. The Dublin hurlers don't have a massive tradition in hurling terms, but still, their time might yet come. They certainly have a better chance than most, ourselves included. We have nothing to cling to. No real former glory apart from the odd highlight - not enough for a young Laois lad to wake up every morning dreaming about wearing the jersey. I get the feeling just now, and someone said it above, that we have a losing mentality. We've accepted our place in the GAA world. We're waiting for good fortune to intervene once again and give us a panel of players that will compete. That's the bit I like about your post Joey. Continuous development on a superior level has to be the way forward. That's where we need to spend our money now. We have to do something about this rather than wait for another good crop.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on July 17, 2017, 05:54:57 PM
Some achievement by Dublin.7 in a row. Kildare gave it their all but were miles away from winning even though they had the best midfielder on view in Kevin Feeley, a joy to watch. The rest of us in  leinster have some way to go to even get close to those two.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unison on July 18, 2017, 10:08:25 AM
Good to see Laois's performance this year discussed at a CB meeting last night. Doesn't sound like Creedon will be give a second year. Unfortunately, a discussion of the overall state of the GAA in the county wasn't on the agenda. Pity!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on July 18, 2017, 10:33:29 AM
Well, at least it's a start. Once the ball is rolling the Co Board will have to be seen to be doing something about the unrest in the county. Good to see the likes of Mick Lawlor getting involved..

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/07/18/former-laois-great-says-re-appointing-creedon-suicidal/
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unison on July 18, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
Yes, I agree, it was good to see Mick Lawlor involved (and Eamon Delaney of Stradbally). I wonder would Mick Lawlor be interested in the position of Chairman? He could be a good one. He would have the interests of the county at heart anyway.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on July 18, 2017, 11:20:02 AM
Yes, I agree, it was good to see Mick Lawlor involved (and Eamon Delaney of Stradbally). I wonder would Mick Lawlor be interested in the position of Chairman? He could be a good one. He would have the interests of the county at heart anyway.
are you suggesting the current boss doesn't?  :)
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unison on July 18, 2017, 11:31:39 AM
Yes, I agree, it was good to see Mick Lawlor involved (and Eamon Delaney of Stradbally). I wonder would Mick Lawlor be interested in the position of Chairman? He could be a good one. He would have the interests of the county at heart anyway.
are you suggesting the current boss doesn't?  :)

Never.

But his record does not stand up to scrutiny. IMO, his comment a few years ago that he was going to take Laois to the next level is a damning indictment.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 18, 2017, 12:50:28 PM
CB most definitely angling to give Creedon a second year, the fact he has not been let go would lead me to believe that.   Delegates meeting last night like always is a talking shop.  Executive makes decisions simple as and I think they want to see how much opposition to Creedon before trying to appoint him for 2nd year.  checking levels of hostility with clubs unless something excessive, Creedon will get another year.  No matter how wrong that is.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unison on July 18, 2017, 01:01:26 PM
I think Mick Lawlor's comment about his re-appointment setting Laois football back 5-6 years will make it difficult for them to give Creedon a second year.

Whatever about poor coaching, the player's lack of fitness, admitted by Creedon, is inexcusable.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 18, 2017, 01:04:50 PM
Chairman is finished this year, his son is on the management team.  I think he is lining up to push Creedon through no matter what.  My guess they let the clubs vent and do nothing for a while before shoving it through in September October.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on July 18, 2017, 01:44:58 PM
CB most definitely angling to give Creedon a second year, the fact he has not been let go would lead me to believe that.   Delegates meeting last night like always is a talking shop.  Executive makes decisions simple as and I think they want to see how much opposition to Creedon before trying to appoint him for 2nd year.  checking levels of hostility with clubs unless something excessive, Creedon will get another year.  No matter how wrong that is.

He has been let go,but the CB are angling to give another year.

"St Joseph's delegate Michael Moore then initially proposed that Creedon be removed from the role, but when it was pointed out that he was only appointed on a one-year term, and was not technically currently in the role, he then proposed that his term not be renewed."
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on July 18, 2017, 10:59:12 PM
Was it not stated at that meeting about lads out drinking etc,, I stated this a long time ago Tony and a few other eejits said I was off my head and now it's put out there at that county board meeting,,, creedon needs to go and fast I agree with Brian Abu Gerry kavanagh wants Garry in there he will wait to the bitter end to make this decision, he leaves us with no legacy during his term in fact he has been our worst leader to date
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on July 18, 2017, 11:03:04 PM
And this comment i stated weeks ago has made the independent lads oh but no little town1980 is a fool sure
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 18, 2017, 11:05:45 PM
Mick Lawlor is being eulogised for saying what Town1980 was ridiculed for saying.

No offence to Lawlor, and I agree with him, but those trotting out every excuse under the sun to shift blame from Creedon & Co have gone awful quiet.
He failed, badly. He may not be as bad as he appeared here, but the level of failure he achieved can't be rewarded with a second chance.
Poor fitness, poor discipline and an inability to beat some of the poorest teams in the country. Not good enough. Thanks and we'll take a different direction.

That old saying about the definition of insanity comes to mind......
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unison on July 18, 2017, 11:14:19 PM
Mick Lawlor is being eulogised for saying what Town1980 was ridiculed for saying.

No offence to Lawlor, and I agree with him, but those trotting out every excuse under the sun to shift blame from Creedon & Co have gone awful quiet.
He failed, badly. He may not be as bad as he appeared here, but the level of failure he achieved can't be rewarded with a second chance.
Poor fitness, poor discipline and an inability to beat some of the poorest teams in the country. Not good enough. Thanks and we'll take a different direction.

That old saying about the definition of insanity comes to mind......

He could not possibly be re-appointed.

Surely?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on July 18, 2017, 11:41:36 PM
Theres a bit of a difference saying lads were out drinking some random night and specifically stating 4 members of the first team were on the lash  a few nights before a match.

Creedons tenure is untenable now but the players have a lot to answer for too.
Being half committed at inter county nowadays wont cut it and youll be found out...
The platers are equally culpable.why bother at all if you're only half assed.

A clear out is needed from the top down.
Only lads willing to give it 100% need apply ..
Good to hear club delegates speak with passion. Gives you a bit of hope.
U17 performance too a bit heartening ..

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 18, 2017, 11:44:56 PM
Theres a bit of a difference saying lads were out drinking some random night and specifically stating 4 members of the first team were on the lash  a few nights before a match.


There is a difference.
Get specific on a board like this and you will be called a coward because it's anonymous. I don't see how he could have justified giving any more detail on here.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on July 18, 2017, 11:52:58 PM
I dont doubt towns a genuine laois gaa man but its always bits of info that are hard to make sence of.
Burke was much more specific but to be fair he had the right platform on which to bring it up.

Lets just hope this might be a bit of a watershed .. time will tell
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Pablo Escobar on July 19, 2017, 12:05:40 AM
Could Pete McGrath be the man for the job?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unison on July 19, 2017, 08:17:33 AM
Could Pete McGrath be the man for the job?

Maybe, but if Fermanagh lads don't want him, that says a lot.

I think his time has passed.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on July 19, 2017, 09:19:38 AM
Let's see who's brave enough to name these four players. If they do exist, I don't want them near a Laois panel again because I've wasted good money following them around. If they don't exist, which is what I'll believe until I hear names, then it's pure hearsay. Either way, in the interests of GAA in this county, someone needs to grow a pair. Talking is a waste of time. You have to be prepared to act. Name them and give them a year off. Tipperary showed earlier in the year that sometimes you have to do things that hurt in the short term.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: O moore parklife on July 19, 2017, 09:43:21 AM
Let's see who's brave enough to name these four players. If they do exist, I don't want them near a Laois panel again because I've wasted good money following them around. If they don't exist, which is what I'll believe until I hear names, then it's pure hearsay. Either way, in the interests of GAA in this county, someone needs to grow a pair. Talking is a waste of time. You have to be prepared to act. Name them and give them a year off. Tipperary showed earlier in the year that sometimes you have to do things that hurt in the short term.
Well said it's never the wrong time to do the right thing.
Cut out the rot galvanise the squad left and put all the effort and time into these players who will go through a wall for each other knowing they are being honest and committed.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on July 19, 2017, 10:06:05 AM
i see Gerry has  put the drinking rumours  to peter creedon all he had to do was have a word to his son during the year,my point both Garry and Tom  Meketrick the other selector would both have known who was drinking who was acting the shite during the year and both did nothing,peter doesnt live in the county Garry and Tom do and both showed a blind eye to this,like i said i was slated for saying it on this forum but i seen and know who was at it and i live in Portlaoise now you have a Crettyard man who lives the opposite end of the county hearing and seeing it,,so to Tony who has been very quiet here since laois were beaten  and to the other lads  who said i was talking crap fek yee :P
 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on July 19, 2017, 10:25:06 AM
Get a grip of yourself. You're a gutless, spineless little coward. Did you confront these panel members? Did you ask them what they were playing at? No, you came home and got your laptop out. Good man Billy Big Bollix. Name them or shut up
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Saint on July 19, 2017, 10:39:15 AM
Jesus lads not a hope anyone on an anonymous forum should be publicly naming an amateur sportsman for anything. Or.....put your own name beside the players name if you really feel the need.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on July 19, 2017, 10:45:19 AM
Let's see who's brave enough to name these four players. If they do exist, I don't want them near a Laois panel again because I've wasted good money following them around. If they don't exist, which is what I'll believe until I hear names, then it's pure hearsay. Either way, in the interests of GAA in this county, someone needs to grow a pair. Talking is a waste of time. You have to be prepared to act. Name them and give them a year off. Tipperary showed earlier in the year that sometimes you have to do things that hurt in the short term.

Agreed Cathal Barrett was warned twice,caught a third time,dropped,took his punishment and there's every chance he will be back with Tipp before long,It sent out a fair message to a panel that had won an All Ireland 6 months beforehand.

We in Laois prefer to tiptoe around the problem,if rules were broken regarding drinking,were sanctions in place and if they were,why weren't they implemented?.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on July 19, 2017, 10:46:48 AM
They don't exist until someone names them Saint. This lad has an agenda. He did nothing when he saw them drinking. Absolutely sweet F.A. Didn't even bring it to the attention of his club and three of his own club men in there doing the hard yards. He's more worried about being the big fella on a poxy forum. A joke
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 19, 2017, 11:00:08 AM
Personally I think this is disgraceful, the journalists should temper the comments made at these meetings.  I know that there were players drinking but it would be completely wrong to name them.  It would also be wrong for the next manager to not deal with the ill-discipline in the squad.  What went on at that meeting on Monday night and what was reported serves nobody in Laois Football or Hurling.  We need to sort our shit in house.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on July 19, 2017, 11:06:19 AM
And how do you do that when there's a policy in Laois of see no evil hear no evil? Come on BA. It's time for everything to come out. There's context here. All year the CB have bemoaned the lack of support. Maybe those not attending knew high profile players were drinking and knew better than to waste their money. This is serious. It has implications on 130 euro ticket and lots more besides. f**k the CB if they think they're getting my money while some dirty little secret is being hidden.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 19, 2017, 11:16:44 AM
Look were not stupid on here most of us have a fair idea whose drinking, but naming them and publically shaming them is wrong.  I am not saying don't deal with it but naming them in public is wrong. 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on July 19, 2017, 11:20:46 AM
I have no idea who they are. I will suspend all contributions to Laois GAA until I do. What did you do with the information BA? Nothing also?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 19, 2017, 11:26:07 AM
Jesus lads not a hope anyone on an anonymous forum should be publicly naming an amateur sportsman for anything. Or.....put your own name beside the players name if you really feel the need.

Agreed 100%. I don't know who they are, but I'm sure if I really wanted to find out, I could. Here is not the place for naming anybody.
Whoever the next manager is will know this happened. No doubt he will be able to find out who was involved. It is his decision whether these players are given another chance or not.
Lots of players up and down the country have pricked around at various stages of their career and came back from it.
Dealing with something like this in-house is nothing to be ashamed of.
Sometimes the sense of entitlement among GAA supporters amazes me.
The players will be given another chance or discarded. Either way there are consequences. A decent management set up will see to that.

Also suggesting that a supporter approaches players socially and castigates them for drinking or behaving in an improper manner is absolutely crazy.

I have no idea who they are. I will suspend all contributions to Laois GAA until I do. What did you do with the information BA? Nothing also?

You would really want to get a grip. What are you going to do with the information?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on July 19, 2017, 11:32:32 AM
I don't know who they are. If I did, I would go to my nearest CB member and ask that they be suspended from the panel for at least six months
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on July 19, 2017, 11:37:12 AM
All year long, there has been a little cohort on here giving out about everything Peter Creedon has tried to do. It looks like now he didn't know four panel members were drinking. Good luck getting lads to an inter county standard of fitness when they're swilling pints. Honestly lads, you trip yourselves up over and over again. You either want it done right or you tolerate amateurism in what is now a very professional environment
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 19, 2017, 11:38:50 AM
I don't know who they are. If I did, I would go to my nearest CB member and ask that they be suspended from the panel for at least six months

So if for instance,  I was the next manager of Laois Senior Football team, I would have disciplinary matters that didn't happen on my watch investigated and sentenced by random supporters?
This is about the craziest notion I've ever encountered from a GAA fan.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 19, 2017, 11:40:04 AM
All year long, there has been a little cohort on here giving out about everything Peter Creedon has tried to do. It looks like now he didn't know four panel members were drinking. Good luck getting lads to an inter county standard of fitness when they're swilling pints. Honestly lads, you trip yourselves up over and over again. You either want it done right or you tolerate amateurism in what is now a very professional environment

Poor Peter, he didn't know.
If they had any respect for him they wouldn't have been doing it in the first place.
Poor Peter. Light a candle for him on your way home from your neighbourhood county board member's house!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on July 19, 2017, 11:43:28 AM
I don't know who they are. If I did, I would go to my nearest CB member and ask that they be suspended from the panel for at least six months

So if for instance,  I was the next manager of Laois Senior Football team, I would have disciplinary matters that didn't happen on my watch investigated and sentenced by random supporters?
This is about the craziest notion I've ever encountered from a GAA fan.

No. If the CB were interested in doing things properly, they would suspend these players. Just like most counties will. Tipp did it earlier in the year and proper order.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 19, 2017, 11:46:39 AM
I don't know who they are. If I did, I would go to my nearest CB member and ask that they be suspended from the panel for at least six months

So if for instance,  I was the next manager of Laois Senior Football team, I would have disciplinary matters that didn't happen on my watch investigated and sentenced by random supporters?
This is about the craziest notion I've ever encountered from a GAA fan.

No. If the CB were interested in doing things properly, they would suspend these players. Just like most counties will. Tipp did it earlier in the year and proper order.

A couple of posts ago it was at your insistence.
Again, your apparent lack of insight into how teams (at any level- let alone intercounty) comes to the fore.
The Tipperary CB suspended nobody. The Tipperary SENIOR HURLING MANAGEMENT temporarily dropped players from their squad for repeated breaches.
Managements run their squads. No manager would stand for CBs jumping in to discipline players in this manner.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on July 19, 2017, 11:49:27 AM
To ask is not to insist. Typical keyboard terrorist trying to jumble up posters words to make your point.

I don't see the point in gossiping about it. We don't need or want lads like this. No matter how good they are. No county does. This all just looks like part of the dampaign to oust Creedon, which matters little because irrespective of who the coach is, we don't have the players anyway.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on July 19, 2017, 11:58:23 AM
The lads drinking did not happen.

Think about it. If 4 or more lads were drinking ALCOHOL a few days before a match, OF COURSE that would get back to management and SENIOR PLAYERS. They're not fools. Let's say Brody, Farrell, Buggie and Paul Kingston were getting drunk in Ramsbottoms. Do you think for one second that wouldn't get back to the selectors, to senior players that would be 100% against that? That's a joke. To ANYONE associated with the squad? Players like that would be dropped IMMEDIATELY on any inter county panel.

What we're experiencing here is hearsay. Even Ballyroan Abu "has a fair idea of who was drinking". Clearly you didn't see it yourself BA. You heard it from a lad who heard it from a lad. Say it like it is and tell the truth. Same with you town1980 - you heard some lad say he saw some lads up town who looked like they maybe were drinking.

In all reality, likely a few of the team having non alcoholic drinks while having a laugh. That's possible you know - not everyone always have to drink. In this day in age of mobile phones, someone, SOMEWHERE must have taken a photo of a player having a Guinness. But there's nothing, zilch. There's a bunch of lads who heard that another lad heard that another lad saw a few team members maybe having a rum and coke. Or was that just a coke? The person who saw it was probably too drunk too tell.

Sick of hearing these stupid rumours. Prove it, name the lads, post the photo - and while you're at it, put up a photo of yourself beside it.

Getting ridiculous - I even heard another more vicious rumour recently from a club mate of mine, a rumour that I wont go into. Again who was the source? "Oh a lad who knows someone close to the camp told me". Get a grip lads. Show us the photos of the lads drinking ALCOHOL (not becks or coke) or stop saying stuff that you have no clue about.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on July 19, 2017, 11:58:50 AM
totally wrong to name them but fact is its what has been happening all year round
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on July 19, 2017, 12:03:24 PM
Agree with Tony. It didn't happen. These lads give more samples than Usain Bolt. It would have shown up.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 19, 2017, 12:06:45 PM
This is getting more and more funny & bizarre as the post goes on!

A respected man stands up and makes these accusations at a CB meeting, but it didn't happen.

High Fielder ventures between "suspend them now they were mean to Poor Peter" and "it never happened at all".

How ANYBODY can think that naming amateur players online is appropriate I do not know!

And High Fielder- what did I jumble up? The County Board suspending players over a managers head for this sort of thing. You haven't a notion what you are talking about!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on July 19, 2017, 12:08:36 PM
tony climb back under your rock like i said before you havent a clue,i have a social life saw so much belive what you want it happened all year round
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 19, 2017, 12:09:38 PM
Agree with Tony. It didn't happen. These lads give more samples than Usain Bolt. It would have shown up.

GAA players are tested regularly for alcohol consumption?!
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: steven seagal on July 19, 2017, 12:19:32 PM
This thread is gone absolutely mental. I think a few lads here need to sit down with a cup of tea and kit kat for a few minutes and get a grip of themselves.

The players should not be named on here, in my opinion, but just because they're not named doesn't mean it didn't happen. The drinking is a minor issue really at this stage, I'd have a bigger problem with our chairman breaking all known convention to allow the senior manager talk at a meeting he had no business attending. Clearly they are going to try everything they can to get him another year despite all evidence this year pointing to his unsuitability for the job, because they don't want to admit they f**ked things up by appointing him in the first place.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on July 19, 2017, 12:27:44 PM
Personally I think this is disgraceful, the journalists should temper the comments made at these meetings.  I know that there were players drinking but it would be completely wrong to name them.  It would also be wrong for the next manager to not deal with the ill-discipline in the squad.  What went on at that meeting on Monday night and what was reported serves nobody in Laois Football or Hurling.  We need to sort our shit in house.

As in censor or alter what was said or just not report what was said?

yeah that normally works all right

ffs
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on July 19, 2017, 12:30:58 PM
I don't know who they are. If I did, I would go to my nearest CB member and ask that they be suspended from the panel for at least six months

So if for instance,  I was the next manager of Laois Senior Football team, I would have disciplinary matters that didn't happen on my watch investigated and sentenced by random supporters?
This is about the craziest notion I've ever encountered from a GAA fan.

No. If the CB were interested in doing things properly, they would suspend these players. Just like most counties will. Tipp did it earlier in the year and proper order.

Mick Ryan and the Tipp Management did,not the CB,the Buck for discipline stops with the manager.

Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on July 19, 2017, 12:32:23 PM
Accusations against nobody in particular is just hearsay lads. Idle gossip without foundation. Pitiful. Is it better to be on the panel and drinking or not on the panel at all? Welcome to Laois, the home of bitterness. I'd say town180 could point us in the direction of one or two disgruntled punters. Is he one himself? Good luck with campaign lads. Creedon out. Creedon out. Creedon out.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 19, 2017, 12:36:05 PM
Accusations against nobody in particular is just hearsay lads. Idle gossip without foundation. Pitiful. Is it better to be on the panel and drinking or not on the panel at all? Welcome to Laois, the home of bitterness. I'd say town180 could point us in the direction of one or two disgruntled punters. Is he one himself? Good luck with campaign lads. Creedon out. Creedon out. Creedon out.

Campaign? You are getting worse and worse.
Spouting nonsense and changing the subject with every post.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on July 19, 2017, 01:03:34 PM
It's pitiful that four players, as yet unnamed, can drink like fish and not have a word said against them. Four grown men ffs. Is Creedon supposed to be their Guardian too? These lads know the commitment it takes to be successful. They don't live in a bubble. They are not just fooling the people of Laois with this bullshit. They are fooling themselves. I don't believe anyone could be that stupid
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on July 19, 2017, 01:10:10 PM
Funny - you have no problem collectively shaming the whole squad ("the players have been drinking all year"), yet you find it so horrible to name a player that has done so. Is that because you heard it third hand and can't actually back up your argument and you don't know for sure? Yes.

As High Fielder says, you've backed yourself into a corner Town1980. One day it's "It's all Creedon's fault, we should be playing Division 2 with these players!!"

The next day it's "Half the panel have been drinking like alcoholics all year, yet we still should be good enough to play Division 2!!"

What a joke.

Creedon will probably go this year and arguably deservedly so but we don't have the players to do anything of note in the next 5 years. Get real. Rumours spread like wildfire in this day and age of social media but NONE of us have seen ANY proof that lads were drinking ALCOHOL. None of us want to spend our hard earned wage on a bunch of alcoholics wearing a Laois jersey. So if you "knew" they were drinking all year - why did you show up to the matches?! Is it because you don't know for sure they were drinking. Yes.

You're so knowledgeable Town1980, that YOU "knew" about players "drinking", yet no senior player, selector, management knew!? What a joke.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on July 19, 2017, 01:51:02 PM
tony you cant help it your some eejit and were all seeing it now letting yourself down with those comments about mr burke,such as you say a keyboard fool  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Saint on July 19, 2017, 01:54:47 PM
The drinking went on alright lads. I've a healthy enough social life and enjoy a few pints and would have regularly had a few pints with a couple of the lads. That'll blow fuses with some posters here but what people seem to forget is we're talking about young lads in the prime of life here.... I think county jerseys all over the country don't mean as much anymore, there's no big carrot dangling in front of most counties now. It's kinda hard get too excited about Laois football for the past ten years and I think that could have permeated into some players minds too. I reckon a lot of lads around the country might feel they can mix both now... A bit of a life and play county. Personally, I don't know why these lads bother commit?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on July 19, 2017, 01:57:48 PM
Town, you can't even spell. Everyone knows you're the biggest fool on here.

The bottom line is : if some players were drinking, it's a severe lack of respect for the jersey, a severe lack of respect for the laois gaa fans and it's a severe lack of respect for themselves and their families.

I don't see any member of the Laois panel doing that, let alone large numbers of them. So you tell me who is defaming who. At least John Burke said it publicly but I highly doubt he's seen groups of the Laois panel drink ALCOHOL days before a match. I highly doubt the players would be that foolish. Do I have too much trust in the players? Are they really that foolish?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on July 19, 2017, 02:10:15 PM
The drinking went on alright lads. I've a healthy enough social life and enjoy a few pints and would have regularly had a few pints with a couple of the lads. That'll blow fuses with some posters here but what people seem to forget is we're talking about young lads in the prime of life here.... I think county jerseys all over the country don't mean as much anymore, there's no big carrot dangling in front of most counties now. It's kinda hard get too excited about Laois football for the past ten years and I think that could have permeated into some players minds too. I reckon a lot of lads around the country might feel they can mix both now... A bit of a life and play county. Personally, I don't know why these lads bother commit?

Now there's a post every Laois supporter will love reading. Post of the year. Roll on 2018. Personally I don't know why anyone would want to coach Laois. Does the drinking just mask the fact that they don't think they're good enough? Or do they just have issues? And are you saying this is just a small group of players? Or everyone?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Saint on July 19, 2017, 02:24:03 PM
One or two lads, a few pints here and there. Not the whole panel, not fifteen pints, not every night! Normal behaviour for a young lad, maybe not so normal for intercounty athletes.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Saint75 on July 19, 2017, 02:27:07 PM
Laois Players drinking. I'd say the county board are delighted with this controversy as it deflects from the real problems in Laois football. Generally over the last 10 years or so the commitment from Laois players has been excellent. They have prepared as well as they could and got a lot out of themselves.

If the county board acted as professionally and shown as much commitment we wouldn't be in the place we are now.

Players are an easy target and generally aren't given the chance to defend themselves.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on July 19, 2017, 03:09:05 PM
I was a club delegate at the meeting on Monday evening and I could go into detail and fully fill in the doubting Thomas merchants, I will not, because it serves no purpose.

The heart of the issue is Laois Senior Football and the future.

we can all see the current roots are rather weak and require strengthening, and the current fruit is of a poor quality as compared to the past, and some of the current fruit has blemishes.

The County Chairman's key message at the end of the discussion was that appointing 3 different managers in the last 4 years has solved no problems and finding another new manager will continue a vicious circle.


As a club delegate, let me explain to you the procedure for appointing a new manager..........the executive, from within, select 3 or 4 to conduct interviews, and they then return to a county board meeting with a candidate, and the delegates are as good as told to rubberstamp this selected candidate.

On this forum, we can all offer different views on the state of football at senior level within the county. What is undeniable, is that you need to be properly organised and management must command player respect and through good management have a powerful control over players.  In otherwords, find the right candidate, and discipline(team and personal), attitude, application and dedication will all fall naturally into place.

The one common denominator of fault for the past 5 years under the stewardship of Gerry Kavanagh has been the flawed interview process which 3 times has now delivered inadequate managers. In the business world, the sourcing and appointing of the right candidates into key management positions is critical to commercial success.  Appoint duds and the business fails, that is why I suppose the recruitment firms thrive due to their relatively successful record in finding candidates to fill briefs.

We can all here see that Laois Football is a devalued currency compared with 10-15 years ago, it is still not as bad as the results suggest in 2017.

The right manager will not suddenly make Laois a challenger to Dublin in Leinster, or a div 2 side in 2 years........a right manager is one who will automatically through his actions and attitude and character, receive full cooperation, respect and compliance from his squad

If the entity tasked with locating such a manager has failed 3 times within 4 years in their chore, then it becomes critical that a different entity(perhaps some outsiders with the acumen) be selected to find the new candidate instead of the regular 3 or 4 off the executive.................will this happen........highly unlikely............because, those 3 or 4 individuals from the executive, would regard the job of headhunting and nominating a new managerial appointment as one of the perks of their own personal executive positions.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on July 19, 2017, 03:21:07 PM
I was a club delegate at the meeting on Monday evening and I could go into detail and fully fill in the doubting Thomas merchants, I will not, because it serves no purpose.

The heart of the issue is Laois Senior Football and the future.

we can all see the current roots are rather weak and require strengthening, and the current fruit is of a poor quality as compared to the past, and some of the current fruit has blemishes.

The County Chairman's key message at the end of the discussion was that appointing 3 different managers in the last 4 years has solved no problems and finding another new manager will continue a vicious circle.


As a club delegate, let me explain to you the procedure for appointing a new manager..........the executive, from within, select 3 or 4 to conduct interviews, and they then return to a county board meeting with a candidate, and the delegates are as good as told to rubberstamp this selected candidate.

On this forum, we can all offer different views on the state of football at senior level within the county. What is undeniable, is that you need to be properly organised and management must command player respect and through good management have a powerful control over players.  In otherwords, find the right candidate, and discipline(team and personal), attitude, application and dedication will all fall naturally into place.

The one common denominator of fault for the past 5 years under the stewardship of Gerry Kavanagh has been the flawed interview process which 3 times has now delivered inadequate managers. In the business world, the sourcing and appointing of the right candidates into key management positions is critical to commercial success.  Appoint duds and the business fails, that is why I suppose the recruitment firms thrive due to their relatively successful record in finding candidates to fill briefs.

We can all here see that Laois Football is a devalued currency compared with 10-15 years ago, it is still not as bad as the results suggest in 2017.

The right manager will not suddenly make Laois a challenger to Dublin in Leinster, or a div 2 side in 2 years........a right manager is one who will automatically through his actions and attitude and character, receive full cooperation, respect and compliance from his squad

If the entity tasked with locating such a manager has failed 3 times within 4 years in their chore, then it becomes critical that a different entity(perhaps some outsiders with the acumen) be selected to find the new candidate instead of the regular 3 or 4 off the executive.................will this happen........highly unlikely............because, those 3 or 4 individuals from the executive, would regard the job of headhunting and nominating a new managerial appointment as one of the perks of their own personal executive positions.

Excellent post

How many of the those tasked to hire a manager in the past 4 years would have expertise in hiring people in their professional  day to day lives?.

What was the criteria that got someone onto this manager selection executive?.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on July 19, 2017, 03:24:13 PM
I would concur with lads saying players should not be named. If posters really need to know they can pm other forum members.

The drinking would have to be put in context and is it really about drinking?? That's is just a symptom of the malaise in senior football it's not the cause
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on July 19, 2017, 04:18:17 PM
brilliant post by "oneflewoverthecuckoonest"
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on July 19, 2017, 04:22:46 PM
and like i said you are some eejit to keep saying they were not out drinking i told you crawl under your little stone there and keep the blinkers on,i cant believe lads this eejit still thinks our players were not acting the fool ,,your are the fool tony to back that set up and i love you keep making a fool of yourself in doing so,you would be some manager  ;)
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Andy06 on July 19, 2017, 05:04:05 PM
Seriously town, give it a rest. Every post of yours is Tony bashing now! Just make the point and leave it at that.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on July 19, 2017, 05:30:48 PM
Seriously town, give it a rest. Every post of yours is Tony bashing now! Just make the point and leave it at that.
Ignore the tiresome p***k
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on July 19, 2017, 06:21:55 PM
Town you drag this forum into the gutter with this ongoing goading of Tony.
Everyone has different opinions ..
Can you not just make your point ONCE and leave it at that like other posters ..

The only thing we can all agree on is that Laois Football is a mess and will take a long time to remedy ..
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on July 19, 2017, 07:06:57 PM
So the players were acting the fool, drinking all year Town1980, according to you, but yet you still think we're div 2 standard and Creedon is all to blame. Can't go both sides my friend. Jim Gavin wouldn't get much out of a drinking squad. Really a low point in Laois GAA at present. Very low morale it seems with fans, players and everyone involved.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 19, 2017, 07:09:31 PM
Town you drag this forum into the gutter with this ongoing goading of Tony.
Everyone has different opinions ..
Can you not just make your point ONCE and leave it at that like other posters ..

The only thing we can all agree on is that Laois Football is a mess and will take a long time to remedy ..

To be fair, it does appear to be working both ways.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on July 19, 2017, 07:10:35 PM
Sorry lads point taken
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 19, 2017, 09:41:47 PM
The whole thing is at farcical levels with reporting that leaves a lot to be desired.  Why would you say anything at these County Comittee meetings as you are very likely to be taken out of context and lampooned nationally. 

Give it a break Tony, Creedon was possibly the worst manager Laois has ever had,  but due to one of his selectors he may yet stay.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on July 19, 2017, 09:48:12 PM
Players want creedon gone you heard it first lads
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on July 19, 2017, 10:19:15 PM
As I've said a few times now, Creedon probably DOES deserve to go after reflecting on the year as a whole (and not just a few league games) but let's not kid ourselves, whoever replaces him wont be taking us to div 2 or 1 and Leinster finals in a hurry. That was my point in fairness, I defended him earlier in the year because of a lot of things outside his control. However, I do agree that on the balance of the whole year, he should probably go. Who to replace him? I would like to see Malachy get the role as my first choice. I heard he doesn't want it though. My preference also would be a Laois man. Focus on underage and development for next 5 years at least.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 19, 2017, 10:23:56 PM
Most rational post all year
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on July 19, 2017, 10:50:46 PM
Could Pete McGrath be the man for the job?
Could be a good one Pablo but you had better ask the money man of laois gaa and see who we can afford.... 8)
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on July 20, 2017, 09:20:35 AM
Nah, no need for Pete M - let's go for a local man. He won't cost as much. Besides, the real focus now needs to be with underage and slowly transitioning suitable candidates to senior. Anyone from the current panel not willing to give 100% - that's fair enough, it's tough. But it's best they don't show up next year. Be honest with yourselves and the supporters.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on July 20, 2017, 09:43:51 AM
Laois Players drinking. I'd say the county board are delighted with this controversy as it deflects from the real problems in Laois football. Generally over the last 10 years or so the commitment from Laois players has been excellent. They have prepared as well as they could and got a lot out of themselves.

If the county board acted as professionally and shown as much commitment we wouldn't be in the place we are now.

Players are an easy target and generally aren't given the chance to defend themselves.

Exactly it will distract from the real problem .......non development of young players and appointment of wrong managers.
Can see the national headlines already " Laois players drinking "
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on July 20, 2017, 09:43:51 AM
i for one am agreeing with TONY i hope thats ok with him,but i think go for a laois man save our money but pick a man who can motivate players supporters alike,let him get rid of the players who actually dont want to be there and lets us as supporters trust him to do that,then at least we will all no who the commited bunch are,malachy,higgins,clancy,conway, there the 4 i would interview and let the best man win and we all support him
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on July 20, 2017, 10:09:46 AM
You can give it to who you like in my opinion. These players should be good enough to get out of Division 4, but that's about it. It's time to focus on specifics like developing good backs, because at the moment there are none. No point saying we have good players if we can't defend, and we really cannot defend. The coaches mentioned above have no CVs to speak of in managerial terms. That doesn't necessarily bother me, but I'm not convinced that any of them could bring the county together - for different reasons. I'd go with Mick Dempsey if possible. He should command respect at least, but no guarantees either I suppose
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Pablo Escobar on July 20, 2017, 10:11:50 AM
Is there a viable Laois option? I feel without a strong Portlaoise contingent Laois are severely weakened. Malachy McNulty could be the man if they are going that route. I feel that the likes of Higgins and Clancy havnt done enough at club level to become the main man. Maybe they could come on board as selectors . Other outside managers that pop into my mind are Paul Curran, Oisin McConville, Tony McEntee.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Pablo Escobar on July 20, 2017, 10:13:56 AM
You can give it to who you like in my opinion. These players should be good enough to get out of Division 4, but that's about it. It's time to focus on specifics like developing good backs, because at the moment there are none. No point saying we have good players if we can't defend, and we really cannot defend. The coaches mentioned above have no CVs to speak of in managerial terms. That doesn't necessarily bother me, but I'm not convinced that any of them could bring the county together - for different reasons. I'd go with Mick Dempsey if possible. He should command respect at least, but no guarantees either I suppose

I'd say Mick is happy enough with the gig he has. Had he one or two years with Laois back in the 90's?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on July 20, 2017, 10:20:42 AM
I agree, and he probably wouldn't want it anyway. Just can't get my heads around the above names. Portlaoise lads sulk if it's not a Portlaoise man. The others feel isolated when it is. This is Laois
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Pablo Escobar on July 20, 2017, 10:30:35 AM
I agree, and he probably wouldn't want it anyway. Just can't get my heads around the above names. Portlaoise lads sulk if it's not a Portlaoise man. The others feel isolated when it is. This is Laois

Laois' problem encapsulated in one message. We all have to realise that when Portlaoise get behind the county we tend to do well. We need a man who can unite the clubs but with all the crap that has gone on in club level over this and other years, I believe a Laois man will not do this. This is why I would always advocate an outside manager. And not some fella on the circuit (Cribbin, Flanagan, Bealin etc). You get what you pay for. As well as this we need to sort out our Games development officers and get the right people into the jobs. Not just because the county secretary knows you.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on July 20, 2017, 11:20:14 AM
Portlaoise are slightly odd in that they've no real exceptional player like a Kingston or Begley but they have decent players all over the pitch that will do well in the club scene. Dillon, Brody, Healy are county players, Cahir says he might return to the footballers in 2018. Other than that, they've a few nice footballers but I personally don't think they'd make fantastic county players. I don't want to go into names but a few of the Portlaoise lads have played with the county and barring a few like Healy and Brody, they haven't exactly set the county scene alight. Like we said before, what we need most is lads who will give 100% and if you don't want to play, it's better you're honest with yourselves and supporters.

Regarding a manager, what's the point in bringing a Pete M or similar if they've no real interest in Laois to begin with. I thought maybe Creedon would be here for years as he seemed to really want to change the culture in Laois GAA for the better. I think he still does want to do that in fairness to him but his performance has been disappointing. I'd personally love someone to get it that turns into a long term manager from their own county like a Harte or Boylan or Cody - someone from the county who raises standards and who stays around for years. Getting someone like McGrath who will stay for a couple of years and leave is ridiculous in my opinion. Who that man is to take us forward, I don't know, or - do we have anyone to unite the county who has passion for Laois and will raise standards accross the board? Whoever we get, it sounds like another risk as none of the likes of Clancy, Malachy, Conway or Higgins really have a CV that you can write home about. They could turn into an excellent manager but there's no question that it is a risk.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 20, 2017, 12:48:39 PM
i like Pete McGrath, but I think Laois  need to go a different way down the road of making inhouse appointments.  We have some seriously professional young club managers why not start down a road of appointing our own.  Of course some of them will be disasters but could it be worse than the last two outside managers.  Lillis  was our own but he was not exactly what I have in mind.  Malachy, Clancy, Joe or Chris give them a shot.  It would also encourage young lads to go down the route of management if the big job is the carrot on the end of the stick.  I do think our strategic review is doomed there is far too much stakeholder involvement.  A review needs independence , with 7-8 laois men involved they all have their own agendas. 
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: portlaoisekid on July 21, 2017, 09:17:48 AM
I haven't posted here in a long time but have kept an eye on some of the comments being posted . Some great comments made by the serious posters and some utter crap from the kids.

IMO I've never seen Laois football in such a bad situation. Its a complete and utter mess. First and foremost we have a very limited panel and the ones that are putting in the commitment are being let down by a number of the panel who are acting like they are club players not inter county. I've seen experienced players drinking with my own eyes when they were blatantly told to be off it. On the drinking issue there's a time for it and god knows they deserve it but the week before championship when they are literally falling around a pub??

Creeden from what I hear is a good guy but the players lost faith in him early on so that's game over for him.

I honestly do not know where we go from here, I've always said that counties like Laois need a manager to come in and make the team greater than the sum of its parts. To do this we need everybody in the set up to be 100% committed, can we say the players did this in 2017? IMO no.I think we know the panel was let down by a few and its the players who burst a gut all year  I feel for.

For 2018 Id like to see a set up in place that's backed 100% by the county board in every possible way with a manager who has the total commitment of every player . Then we have a chance, Gaelic football is not that great outside of the top 4-5 teams and I see no reason why a Laois team cannot make progress even with a limited panel.

I'm not so sure about any of the local candidates being mentioned here taking the job as manager but as part of the set up they would be great.

I'd choose a manager that can galvanise this county and who can get some sort of spark going here again. I don't think we need a tactical genius , just a Mick O'Dwyer figure that can spearhead a mgt team that can eek every once of quality and potential from this county.

For talk sake a  Dara O'Se  type character, a man who would instantly gain respect, yes he has no track record but I genuinely believe it could work with him or someone like him leading the set up. I highly doubt we would get him but why not try for someone like him?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: GAA-SMART on July 21, 2017, 10:13:30 AM
The job itself is still very attractive.. Everyone knows Laois have good footballers and have potential. We are D4 next year and would be odds on to get out of it, 4-6 maybe 4-7 so if a new manager can garner abit of enthusiasm and get structures in place, promotion from D4 going into Championship will be a boost.

I wouldnt be for Clancy or Joe ect to get the top job, I would like to see them as selectors to learn the ropes. The usual names of John Evans, Pat Flanagan, Luke Dempsey and Jason Ryan will be thrown in, then we get the daft ones like Pat Gilroy or maybe just maybe Jim Gavin sees the potential in laois and leave the Dubs.

Its hard to know who exactly we need but maybe Pete McGrath is a right man to get down and set up the structures we need in Laois and bring in those younger coaches to get the vibe of the set up, Mc Grath done a fine job with Fermanagh with a pool of players at a similar level to us but we just have a bigger pick.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: town1980 on July 21, 2017, 11:58:56 AM
after so many years playing and coaching   joe ,malachy and clancy would be in my opinion be quiet up to the job,there young passionate and its a young mans tactical thinking game all three work hard on this aspect from games i have seen,they dont need to be number twos to showcase there talents in my opinion but its all open to debate
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Joeythelips on July 21, 2017, 02:02:09 PM
The job itself is still very attractive.. Everyone knows Laois have good footballers and have potential. We are D4 next year and would be odds on to get out of it, 4-6 maybe 4-7 so if a new manager can garner abit of enthusiasm and get structures in place, promotion from D4 going into Championship will be a boost.

I wouldnt be for Clancy or Joe ect to get the top job, I would like to see them as selectors to learn the ropes. The usual names of John Evans, Pat Flanagan, Luke Dempsey and Jason Ryan will be thrown in, then we get the daft ones like Pat Gilroy or maybe just maybe Jim Gavin sees the potential in laois and leave the Dubs.

Its hard to know who exactly we need but maybe Pete McGrath is a right man to get down and set up the structures we need in Laois and bring in those younger coaches to get the vibe of the set up, Mc Grath done a fine job with Fermanagh with a pool of players at a similar level to us but we just have a bigger pick.

Very attractive??  you would need to elaborate a bit on that one.

As with any walk of life you assess the job you are applying for and when you look at Laois, attractive is not a word I would associate with it.  Here are some facts, the current crop of players have suffered consecutive league relegations to go from division 2 to division 4, and have worked under 3 management set ups in past 3 years.

Maybe we have talent coming through at underage? Well apart from the Leinster minor final hammering to Kildare in 2016 we do not have much to show.

Maybe our best players just don't commit to the county panel for various reasons? A look at our club would show that apart from Cahir Healy this is not the case, we are not in a good place here either, Stradbally our county champions had 2 players on the county panel which says a lot of the standard really.

Looking at the panel realistically we have 7/8 players (and thats with my biased Laois tinted glasses on) that could make it to a high enough standard for Laois to really compete for 2nd spot in Leinster IMO. The rest I am not so sure.

My comments my seem a tad harsh and pessimistic but you are saying the role is a very attractive, I am not sure where you see that. Only real attraction I see is that if you get the whole panel working together the Div 4 trophy is very winnable.


Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on July 21, 2017, 04:22:47 PM
I think it is an attractive job for a Laois man. Not so much for an outside man. Pete M and Flanagan and all those are more of the same. Don't even get me started on Luke Dempsey, he is not to be mentioned again as a possible canditate.

Why is it attractive for a Laois man? Because we've pretty much hit rock bottom now. The only way is up, unless we lose to Wicklow next year.

I'm all for putting a young Laois man in there, my preference is Malachy McNulty as he's very tactically astute. It's going to take us years to get back to a good level at senior, so why waste more money on an expensive senior setup. Malachy or Conway knows the local club scene inside out. For those men I'm sure it is very attractive - the highest role in the county. I'd have an honest chat with all players - do ye want to give 100%? If so, you're welcome to go for the panel, if not, better off not showing up to waste your time and everyone elses.

Unfortunately for us, I really see the "professional" age of GAA not suiting a county like us. We were competitive when training was primitive and all teams had a similar fitness level. It was more a game of skill, then, and we've nearly always had skillful players, even today. I believe the team of today that we have in 2017 would compete well enough in the 90's and before.

However the likes of Dublin, Donegal, Mayo or Kerry are so far ahead in terms of conditioning and fitness and preparation that it's really becoming men vs boys in a lot of match ups. 20 years ago, an 8 point loss to those teams was massive; now it's respectable as the norn is for them to anihilate a lower team. The gulf in class in the professional age is night and day. Either we try to replicate the professionalism of these teams or we stay down in Div 3 or 4. Different age. In fairness to the likes of Clare, Tipp and Cavan, they were at a worse place than us but now they're miles ahead. If we can replicate their level of prep and subsequent success in the next 5-7 years, we'd be doing relatively well.

I know High Fielder says we don't have good backs to base ourselves on, but I think we'll do better in 2018 if we have something like:

Brody
Cahir Healy, Mark Timmons, Stephen Attride,
Padraig McMahon, Colm Begley, Buggie / Lillis.

Anyway, going on tangents now so I'll leave it there.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: steven seagal on July 22, 2017, 10:58:45 AM
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Cahir Healy, Mark Timmons, Stephen Attride,
Padraig McMahon, Colm Begley, Buggie / Lillis.

While I agree with you Tony that the backs listed there are potentially very good, I think it would be pointless to put them on the field, in the long run.

Healy, Timmons, McMahon and Begley are all 30+ at this stage, so there is no long term plan in place for them. We would just have to scrap them and start again the year after. I'd imagine McMahon will probably call it a day this summer anyway, and I'd personally like to see Healy stick with the hurlers.

The more I think about it, the less I am in favour of cobbling a team together just to get us out of Division 4. It's not a nice place to be I know, but we have to completely rebuild the team. Timmons, Begley, Quigley, Strong, McMahon, Munnelly, Donoher and Meaney are not our future. I'd keep a handful of them involved for their influence, maybe Munnelly, Begley and Timmons, but I'd let the rest of them go. I don't think there's any point in putting out a team of the older lads as a last hurrah for them to get us out of Division 4, if we have to blood a litany of young lads the year after and get relegated again. I think next year is the time to bring in the younger players, and if it takes us a year or two to get out of Division 4, so be it, this has to be long-term plan anyway. We need to build a team that can play together for the next 3-4 years, in my opinion.

We need to identify lads from 18 to 22 that can be solid players in two to three years time, and work year-round with them from now on. I'd like to see something like this next year, with a few of the promising U-17s from this year on the fringes of the panel, so they have some idea of what an intercounty set up entails, and to keep them interested.

Brody

Kelly, Timmons, Attride
O'Sullivan, Buggie, Begley

JOL, Luttrell

Daly, O'Carroll, Farrell
P Kingston, D Kingston, Moore

I'd have lads like Davy Conway and James Finn from this year still there, and then younger lads like Diarmuid Whelan, Robert Tyrell, Shane Nerney, Trevor Collins, Mick Keogh, Colm Murphy involved, as well as the few minors, and I'm probably missing a few more too.

The bulk of that team should still be playing in three years time. We need to identify someone to replace Timmons, maybe Shane Nerney, and have him work hand in hand with him for the year to learn as much as he can, and then work him into the team from there.

Who manages them is a different matter entirely though. I think Clancy has the type of personality we need, but he hasn't the experience to take it on his own. I'd love to see him involved though, I think he'd work well with the younger lads.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Laoiseabu on July 22, 2017, 11:57:33 AM
Steven seagull that team u have assembled three will not get near out of division 4. None of them young lads are near the required standard they have just been used because we have no one else. James Kelly? Did you see him in the league final? He's not even a club player. Daly is not near the pace required for inter county so overrated  . The reason we are in division 4 is because we are an ageing team and the young lads coming in are no where near good enough to replace them or even better them. Trevor Collins? Seriously were u at the Clare match ? Would he even play well for Graigue in a poor club scene? Ask yourself these questions. The only young lad that came through in the last few years good enough was O Carroll and now he's injured a lot . Sean Moore is a nice player but he will never get away at senior inter county at that size. If all these lads were so good why didn't our u21s beat Offaly then? I'll tell u why cause they are not good enough!! It's a fact of life . We are in limbo. Luttrell ? He's automatically a 'Name' now to be considered just because a disaster of a management set up gave him a run out for the worst Laois team I can remember in the league and O Byrne cup. Just cause you get a run out for a division 4 side dosent mean u are good enough?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: steven seagal on July 22, 2017, 02:29:47 PM
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Steven seagull that team u have assembled three will not get near out of division 4.

First things first, it's Steven Seagal, I've been in films, I'm actually very famous. Secondly, did you even read the post, or did you just pick out the names of lads you don't like and decide to tell us all how sh*te you think they are? I said it could take us a year or two to get out of Division 4 with that team. You might not like the lads coming through, but they are the players we have to work with. The only thing we can do is try to make them better, give them time to play together and support them as best we can.

What's the alternative?
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Pablo Escobar on July 22, 2017, 03:42:56 PM
Steven seagull that team u have assembled three will not get near out of division 4. None of them young lads are near the required standard they have just been used because we have no one else. James Kelly? Did you see him in the league final? He's not even a club player. Daly is not near the pace required for inter county so overrated  . The reason we are in division 4 is because we are an ageing team and the young lads coming in are no where near good enough to replace them or even better them. Trevor Collins? Seriously were u at the Clare match ? Would he even play well for Graigue in a poor club scene? Ask yourself these questions. The only young lad that came through in the last few years good enough was O Carroll and now he's injured a lot . Sean Moore is a nice player but he will never get away at senior inter county at that size. If all these lads were so good why didn't our u21s beat Offaly then? I'll tell u why cause they are not good enough!! It's a fact of life . We are in limbo. Luttrell ? He's automatically a 'Name' now to be considered just because a disaster of a management set up gave him a run out for the worst Laois team I can remember in the league and O Byrne cup. Just cause you get a run out for a division 4 side dosent mean u are good enough?

So what your saying is it's going to get worse before it gets better. I would agree with a lot of your points . We have taken the eye off the ball at underage level and we are now suffering the consequences of it . One point I don't agree with is writing a player off because he is small or slight. James Moore is the best technically gifted footballer we have produced in years and should be given a chance .
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on July 22, 2017, 06:03:40 PM
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Steven seagull that team u have assembled three will not get near out of division 4.

First things first, it's Steven Seagal, I've been in films, I'm actually very famous. Secondly, did you even read the post, or did you just pick out the names of lads you don't like and decide to tell us all how sh*te you think they are? I said it could take us a year or two to get out of Division 4 with that team. You might not like the lads coming through, but they are the players we have to work with. The only thing we can do is try to make them better, give them time to play together and support them as best we can.

What's the alternative?

I can't wait to see the alternative.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Tony on July 22, 2017, 06:43:33 PM
I still think we're still producing some nice raw footballers in Laois at underage. The difference is, the game has changed. "Nice" footballers like we have wont cut it anymore. They'll have to be harnessed like Kildare or Dublin youngsters to compete. It's a pity the game has gone in a lot of ways. It wont suit "nice, natural" footballers like Laois traditionally have. Fierce, professional level S&C and tactics are the name of the game nowadays. I think that's a lot to do with our demise at underage. We just haven't kept in line with the growing trends. Again, we would be grand in the 90's - still relatively successful. We'll just have to shadow what the big teams are doing, or else we're going to be passed by. It's unfortunate : about 20 counties are in a similar position to us at the moment. The funding that Dublin are getting just makes a joke of things : they've raised the bar so high that it's almost impossible for other counties with poor resources to compete.
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: OTF on July 22, 2017, 07:12:25 PM
I still think we're still producing some nice raw footballers in Laois at underage. The difference is, the game has changed. "Nice" footballers like we have wont cut it anymore. They'll have to be harnessed like Kildare or Dublin youngsters to compete. It's a pity the game has gone in a lot of ways. It wont suit "nice, natural" footballers like Laois traditionally have. Fierce, professional level S&C and tactics are the name of the game nowadays. I think that's a lot to do with our demise at underage. We just haven't kept in line with the growing trends. Again, we would be grand in the 90's - still relatively successful. We'll just have to shadow what the big teams are doing, or else we're going to be passed by. It's unfortunate : about 20 counties are in a similar position to us at the moment. The funding that Dublin are getting just makes a joke of things : they've raised the bar so high that it's almost impossible for other counties with poor resources to compete.

Outside of Dublin we've got the highest funding in Leinster
Title: Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 23, 2017, 04:09:07 PM
Yep our funding is divided into two codes and we are not discernibly higher than other Leinster counties.  Dublin is in a league of it's own and the rest are quite tightly packed behind in the funding department.  I would think Laois to make serious inroads would need far more than what they are currently receiving.