All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin

[sid waddell]

Any chance of someone actually mentioning the match or is this thread strictly whingefest only?

One of the many imponderables about this intriguing game is how much Mayo's marathon road to the final may have taken from them - having had to peak a number of times. Will they be able to raise their game again next Sunday. Who knows. But if they do and can pull it off, fair dues to them.

I would much prefer Mayo's path to the final than Dublin's.

Tyrone were a well oiled machine in 2005 compared to Kerry who had coasted to the final.

The respective build ups are very similar to that final.

Tyrone went in as 6/4 underdogs in 2005 if memory serves.

[seafoid]

Added to the fact that a professional outfit playing at home will be beaten it will be a monstrous achievement.

Mayo had won Leinster in 1981 and had a very good team including Aidan OShea. They were as fit as Dublin and they believed they were as good as them. Dublin were going for 5 in a row. Nobody could beat them.

The match was ebb and flow. Dublin went up 3 points but Mayo pegged them back. Jason Doherty was held in reserve for the last 10 minutes. His instructions were to go for a goal if he got the ball.

https://youtu.be/Wxgju-2xbfQ

There is no way Offaly can beat Kerry on Sunday

[The Hill is Blue]

Added to the fact that a professional outfit playing at home will be beaten it will be a monstrous achievement.

Mayo had won Leinster in 1981 and had a very good team including Aidan OShea. They were as fit as Dublin and they believed they were as good as them. Dublin were going for 5 in a row. Nobody could beat them.

The match was ebb and flow. Dublin went up 3 points but Mayo pegged them back. Jason Doherty was held in reserve for the last 10 minutes. His instructions were to go for a goal if he got the ball.

https://youtu.be/Wxgju-2xbfQ

There is no way Offaly can beat Kerry on Sunday

The ref would surely spot the push in the back on Philly this time. 

[seafoid]

They were the best team. They could play anywhere. They had men on the line that were as good as them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kba6NYKQH5k

[criostlinn]

Added to the fact that a professional outfit playing at home will be beaten it will be a monstrous achievement.

Mayo had won Leinster in 1981 and had a very good team including Aidan OShea. They were as fit as Dublin and they believed they were as good as them. Dublin were going for 5 in a row. Nobody could beat them.

The match was ebb and flow. Dublin went up 3 points but Mayo pegged them back. Jason Doherty was held in reserve for the last 10 minutes. His instructions were to go for a goal if he got the ball.

https://youtu.be/Wxgju-2xbfQ

There is no way Offaly can beat Kerry on Sunday

The ref would surely spot the push in the back on Philly this time. 

Without a doubt. Philly would make sure of that as he'd rolled around the ground clutching his head calling for treatment. Might even be a black card issued

[seafoid]

Any chance of someone actually mentioning the match or is this thread strictly whingefest only?

One of the many imponderables about this intriguing game is how much Mayo's marathon road to the final may have taken from them - having had to peak a number of times. Will they be able to raise their game again next Sunday. Who knows. But if they do and can pull it off, fair dues to them.

I would much prefer Mayo's path to the final than Dublin's.

Tyrone were a well oiled machine in 2005 compared to Kerry who had coasted to the final.

The respective build ups are very similar to that final.

Tyrone went in as 6/4 underdogs in 2005 if memory serves.

I was thinking the same thing. The Dubs didn't play a single match.

[heffo]

Any chance of someone actually mentioning the match or is this thread strictly whingefest only?

One of the many imponderables about this intriguing game is how much Mayo's marathon road to the final may have taken from them - having had to peak a number of times. Will they be able to raise their game again next Sunday. Who knows. But if they do and can pull it off, fair dues to them.

I would much prefer Mayo's path to the final than Dublin's.

Tyrone were a well oiled machine in 2005 compared to Kerry who had coasted to the final.

The respective build ups are very similar to that final.

Tyrone went in as 6/4 underdogs in 2005 if memory serves.

I was thinking the same thing. The Dubs didn't play a single match.

It's a good analogy but Tyrone already had an AI medal at that point and that changes everything

[seafoid]

Unbackable Leinster champions. f**king LEINSTER champions.  Who are these losers from the west ? 

Just a matter of toggin out . There's Sean Brady

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIV73ywp41o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mftE3kDIYBk

[The Hill is Blue]

Added to the fact that a professional outfit playing at home will be beaten it will be a monstrous achievement.

Mayo had won Leinster in 1981 and had a very good team including Aidan OShea. They were as fit as Dublin and they believed they were as good as them. Dublin were going for 5 in a row. Nobody could beat them.

The match was ebb and flow. Dublin went up 3 points but Mayo pegged them back. Jason Doherty was held in reserve for the last 10 minutes. His instructions were to go for a goal if he got the ball.

https://youtu.be/Wxgju-2xbfQ

There is no way Offaly can beat Kerry on Sunday

The ref would surely spot the push in the back on Philly this time. 

Without a doubt. Philly would make sure of that as he'd rolled around the ground clutching his head calling for treatment. Might even be a black card issued

Surely that's COC you're talking about?

[TheGreatest]

It is hoped that Mayo, with their professional set up who spend the most on their senior football team in the country can get over the line.

Difficult to play against a team who's players take time outs from work to focus on football and are backed by money, support from fans from other counties, backed by the pundits and the GAA hierarchy, its going to very difficult for Dublin.

Hopefully Jim Gavin's good guys do the business on Sunday and do us all a favour.

[seafoid]

http://bundesligafanatic.com/dfb-pokal-semi-final-bayern-munchen-0-1-schalke-04-how-schalke-beat-bayern-%e2%80%93-a-tactical-breakdown/

This was a repeat of last year's semi final, now remembered most for Robben brilliant individual run and winning goal.  Bayern came into the match after a dispiriting loss at home to title favorites Dortmund while Schalke and their coach Magath remain under severe pressure to turn out better performances and turn their disappointing season around.
Bayern have not lost a home game in the Cup in over 20 years and it has been some 10 years since they lost back-to-back home matches so they are firm favorites going in. Schalke cannot beat Bayern when it counts. Ever.

https://youtu.be/v7Q3vtuNj9Q

[The Hill is Blue]

http://bundesligafanatic.com/dfb-pokal-semi-final-bayern-munchen-0-1-schalke-04-how-schalke-beat-bayern-%e2%80%93-a-tactical-breakdown/

This was a repeat of last year's semi final, now remembered most for Robben brilliant individual run and winning goal.  Bayern came into the match after a dispiriting loss at home to title favorites Dortmund while Schalke and their coach Magath remain under severe pressure to turn out better performances and turn their disappointing season around.
Bayern have not lost a home game in the Cup in over 20 years and it has been some 10 years since they lost back-to-back home matches so they are firm favorites going in. Schalke cannot beat Bayern when it counts. Ever.

https://youtu.be/v7Q3vtuNj9Q

That's some trawl of the archives you're doing there. How about looking for examples of matches where the favourites actually won. It shouldn't be to difficult to find some.

[PW Nally]

Ignoring the people who get paid for physio and other stuff around the senior team (no different than Mayo, Kerry, etc), none of the Dublin players would have received coaching from paid coaches. It would all have been parents over underage club teams and mostly volunteer past players on Dublin development squads.

Geography and population, where we have big numbers and all live within a reasonably close area are the genuine advantages we have (as well as being the best run county board in the country). Our club game at senior level is better than most too. The work that goes in by players at the 16 top senior clubs is unreal, all training 3 /4 times a week, a generation of fitness fanatics with builds that Olympic swimmers would be proud of.

But it'll be 15 v 15 on Sunday (or 21 v 21 by the end), we can't play any more than anyone else, and it'll be a combination of the most talented and hardest working that prevails, and there's never been much between these two teams. And whichever team prevails, the begrudgers can go feck themselves.

So no county board part financed GDOs at Cuala etc have been involved in coaching likes of Con O'Callaghan?

100% correct. No GDO would have taken any underage hurling or football team Con was on at Cuala or in his school. It was always 2/3 parents. When Con was aged between 4 and 7, the GDO would have taken PE at school instead of the teacher for one class every two weeks or so to teach basic skills. These would be more focused at those lacking in skills rather than the likes of Con.

GDOs don't take teams but coach the coaches and take a few sessions implementing best practise and so on, they therefore have a big impact on all club players. Pointless paying out so much on them otherwise.

Just pointing out the inaccurate point that is highlighted above. 50 odd GDOs employed by Dublin county board not having any effect on players coming through would be ~€800,000/ annum poorly spent.

[seafoid]

http://bundesligafanatic.com/dfb-pokal-semi-final-bayern-munchen-0-1-schalke-04-how-schalke-beat-bayern-%e2%80%93-a-tactical-breakdown/

This was a repeat of last year's semi final, now remembered most for Robben brilliant individual run and winning goal.  Bayern came into the match after a dispiriting loss at home to title favorites Dortmund while Schalke and their coach Magath remain under severe pressure to turn out better performances and turn their disappointing season around.
Bayern have not lost a home game in the Cup in over 20 years and it has been some 10 years since they lost back-to-back home matches so they are firm favorites going in. Schalke cannot beat Bayern when it counts. Ever.

https://youtu.be/v7Q3vtuNj9Q

That's some trawl of the archives you're doing there. How about looking for examples of matches where the favourites actually won. It shouldn't be to difficult to find some.

Jim Cramer played centre half back on the Goldman Sachs Dubs that won 29 world series in a row.

https://youtu.be/rOVXh4xM-Ww

[Zulu]

Ignoring the people who get paid for physio and other stuff around the senior team (no different than Mayo, Kerry, etc), none of the Dublin players would have received coaching from paid coaches. It would all have been parents over underage club teams and mostly volunteer past players on Dublin development squads.

Geography and population, where we have big numbers and all live within a reasonably close area are the genuine advantages we have (as well as being the best run county board in the country). Our club game at senior level is better than most too. The work that goes in by players at the 16 top senior clubs is unreal, all training 3 /4 times a week, a generation of fitness fanatics with builds that Olympic swimmers would be proud of.

But it'll be 15 v 15 on Sunday (or 21 v 21 by the end), we can't play any more than anyone else, and it'll be a combination of the most talented and hardest working that prevails, and there's never been much between these two teams. And whichever team prevails, the begrudgers can go feck themselves.

So no county board part financed GDOs at Cuala etc have been involved in coaching likes of Con O'Callaghan?

100% correct. No GDO would have taken any underage hurling or football team Con was on at Cuala or in his school. It was always 2/3 parents. When Con was aged between 4 and 7, the GDO would have taken PE at school instead of the teacher for one class every two weeks or so to teach basic skills. These would be more focused at those lacking in skills rather than the likes of Con.

GDOs don't take teams but coach the coaches and take a few sessions implementing best practise and so on, they therefore have a big impact on all club players. Pointless paying out so much on them otherwise.

Just pointing out the inaccurate point that is highlighted above. 50 odd GDOs employed by Dublin county board not having any effect on players coming through would be ~€800,000/ annum poorly spent.

The GPO's don't turn kids into great players but they do help increase participation and therefore increase the pool of talent. Dublin has a population of 1.5 million and the GAA needs at least 50 GPO's working in that type of population centre. We can and should be increasing the number in other counties but are there clubs in other counties willing to pay half the salary? Is that what other counties even require or are they getting as many players from the schools as they'd likely get anyway?

On the actual game which should be epic, I think Mayo have a great chance. You can't drop off the Dubs and expect to win but Mayo will engage all over the pitch and not give the Dubs the time to use their undoubted skills. I think Mayo will need a goal or two but Dublin will be reintroduced to championship football this Sunday and that might be too much for some.