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A lot of other players like Peter Teague, tiernan McCann, Conroy would have plenty to offer but don't blame them if they don't fancy a bit part role

Thought Oguz and Cullen were good from the bench and will be pushing for a starting place. Plenty of ball watching still going on in defence and will get exploited if it happens at the weekend

On another matter, there seems to be, a few new posters on here past few weeks. On the messages, I get the impression they been on here before or jumping between a few names.

On the matter at hand watching the goals again, first was terrible, second Lynch actually scored it, it was going wide, forth lying in a heap in midfield embarrassing stuff.

I think this is the lesson for all teams with the  'fly keeper' nowadays.

I think Dublin were doing this to Derry in the NFL Final but didn't attack with much agression.

Donegal took it to a new level.  Derry press high with Lynch covering space way out the pitch and Patton kicks over the top.  It's 50/50 but if it breaks Donegal's way, they attack with serious pace and power from all angles and score the goals.

It got that bad that the last goal, the keeper actually kicked it deliberately (in my opinon) on top on Lynch, it broke and Donegal were in again for a really handy goal.

For me, when the press is on the kick-out, the only option is to go long. That's where the space is and Mc Guinness nd his management recognised this. The space is in the other half.

Patton is great at the long kicks butthe key is the strong pacey runners driving forward in support.

Now I'm sure Donegal's plan was to get a goal and a few points from this, thinking obviously, that Derry would recalibrate and stop this but for it to hppen time after time, Isure Mc Guinness couldn't believe it.

Now the thing is, the high press and keeper has been found out, will other teams be as brave to do it.

Mc Guinness and his management worked it well. Will it work again for them? 

I don't think McGuinness is getting enough credit for not only exploiting the space on the long kick outs but also in creating it.  Id need to see the goals again but from memory on 3 of them he made sure that there were no Donegal forwards near the goals so that there would be no covering defenders who could drop back and cover for Lynch.  That was unusual tactically and worked a treat at creating the goals.

All that said, Donegal were gifted 4 goals and only won the game by 6 points (although there is no doubt they deserved to win), that will have to be of concern.

Donegal gifted them 4 points at the end

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But we were worryingly outmanoeuvred today.
Donegal had done their homework and exploited the opportunities, we failed to react and adapt.

The bit about "failing to react and adapt" in a game just leapt out at me as I'm sure a lot of Tyrone and Louth folk would agree on it being a common theme in games lost under Harte.

I'd disagree with screen on our attacking play, imo we lacked any cutting edge today, our speed and incisiveness was non-existent, very few line breaks, we didn't/couldn't carry the ball at pace. Our normal game plan just wasn't there. Barely won a breaking ball either.

I would put a lot of this down to Donegal's defensive approach - I haven't watched the game back but I'd be willing to put money that Donegal's setup and tactics were all about denying Derry goal chances. This is a Derry team that have built so many of their victories off scoring goals and denying them chances would be a key platform of Donegal's approach - I think the stuff mentioned "lacked any cutting edge today, our speed and incisiveness was non-existent, very few line breaks, we didn't/couldn't carry the ball at pace. Our normal game plan just wasn't there." was most likely as a result of Donegal's defensive setup. No better man than McGuinness to look at what worked for this Derry team previously in terms of creating goal chances and setting up his side to counter-act this.

The rest should do us good and the seeding is largely irrelevant as has been discussed ad nauseum. Better to have 4 weeks off than 2 more games where you could still end up as a losing provincial finalist, meaning you cannot draw the Munster or Leinster finalists, who will be the weakest teams in the competition.

Just to clarify the losing Ulster provincial finalist can't draw any of the the losing provincial finalists, they will also be in a group with the one of the other winning provincial finalists

I'd agree with Donegal defensive shape  was a major factor on winning the game. Derry live of goals and not many teams have been able to live with their movement. Galway seem to be able to handle it and Donegal kept kept them under control as well.


Donegal players to come back in too and will not be an easy proposition for any team.

Tyrone team named. Clarke and Cullen not be starting although not sure that team will line out as named

Daly a class act and the half back line would be fairly strong as well with all impressing tonight. Ohare electric pace which is hard to handle at any level

Disappointing but I am sure he was disappointed not to get game time v Dublin

another player walks away from senior panel?..

Who?

https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/331412


Now of all the legends sitting on the Bench. I would have thought Cluxton was the one most likely to improve Dublin's performance.
What do you think?

Where is O'Hanlon? I was fairly impressed anytime I seen him. Wasnt impressed with Comerford at the weekend at all

Plenty of wides on both sides with Dublin missing a number of handy ones. Dublin cleaning them in the middle when forced long. Derry v much like a Tyrone style of play now and playing rightly

The expenses he ran up watching films in hotel room was strange behaviour

Anyone any idea with how long Meyler, Mckernan and burns are off?

Galway full out would take Derry. Not sure they will be this year tho

Absolute shambles yesterday, i think we all expected to lose as it was a fairly nothing game for us, and some lads on the bench deserved minutes... but the manner of  the defeat is hard to stomach

In reality, Dublin have a resource pool so much greater than ours that they can deal with 7 or 8 established men missing so much better than we can.

I understand our management decided not to ask any player back onto the panel, whom had previously walked away. Hopefully they will find the humility to pick up the phone to the likes of Rory Brennan, Peter Teague, Mark Bradley. We need an injection of experience and quality now. The likes of Meyler, Burns etc will not get back up to the pace of the game between now and season end so we are simply too far stretched

The defending for some of the goals yesterday beggers belief. You would have to question whats going on in Garvaghy.

For training alone surely some more experience is required. Tiernan McCann, Paul Donaghy, Padraig McNulty would all offer something as well to the younger lads but old ground at this stage. The half forward line back all needs serious work to avoid hammerings later in the year like Kerry last year.

The experienced heads that dropped off the panel have been missed massively over the last couple of years.

The lads can either give up or learn from this and raise their level over the years to come