Islamic Jihadists ISIS

[seafoid]

Looks like the Kurds are in serious trouble now...

Seems like the Turks for all their bluster last week as part of the 'US led coalition' are prepared to feed the Kurds to the wolves.

As Seafoid has already said, the Turks and Saudi's are saying one thing and doing another on this one!

Yeah, but aren't you surprised that the Irish Kurdistan Solidarity Campaign (IKSC) are not more vocal
about this ?

Kurdish history is awful. They always get shafted
Who would you advise them to side with? Turkey ? Saudi ?
It's pure medieval, this war.

[muppet]

ISIS = Times New Roman?

[cadhlancian]

Do these wankers have a command structure? At least with Al Queda , we knew who was calling the shots, and most top level commanders in Al Queda would have been " known" early on . That doesn't seem to be the case here, although somebody , somewhere has to be running this madness...

[seafoid]

Do these w**kers have a command structure? At least with Al Queda , we knew who was calling the shots, and most top level commanders in Al Queda would have been " known" early on . That doesn't seem to be the case here, although somebody , somewhere has to be running this madness...

They do. It's not madness. It is highly organised and ultra efficient. It's very like Cromwell's new model army. Same religious conviction, same gore based strategy, same level of process.
And a lot of sunnis support it because they have spent enough time being shafted.
The only solution is regional with the input of all the regional players. Bombing will not solve anything,

It reminds me of the drugs problem in Limerick. If you want to fix it first you have to understand it. Classing ISIs and McCarthy Dundons as barbarians is satisfying but impotent. The system that bred them is the enemy.

[AZOffaly]

Do these w**kers have a command structure? At least with Al Queda , we knew who was calling the shots, and most top level commanders in Al Queda would have been " known" early on . That doesn't seem to be the case here, although somebody , somewhere has to be running this madness...

They do. It's not madness. It is highly organised and ultra efficient. It's very like Cromwell's new model army. Same religious conviction, same gore based strategy, same level of process.
And a lot of sunnis support it because they have spent enough time being shafted.
The only solution is regional with the input of all the regional players. Bombing will not solve anything,

It reminds me of the drugs problem in Limerick. If you want to fix it first you have to understand it. Classing ISIs and McCarthy Dundons as barbarians is satisfying but impotent. The system that bred them is the enemy.

No way. The enemy is the people doing the beheading, or killing innocent people or running the drugs in the Limerick example. The system may have its faults, but it's a pure cop out to blame the system when dickheads do dickhead things. I think America and the west in general are making a pigs ear of the Middle East, but that does not excuse the actions of these lunatics.

[seafoid]

You have to change the conditions that lead to the rise of ISIS and drugs gangs. Stop the recruitment of kids into the system. By the time they are beheading or setting cars with kids in them alight it is very late.
Bringing everything back to personal responsibility does not work when things have deteriorated that much.The targets do not buy into the logic that the system does anything for them.  Stop the cash flows from middle class drug use and oil use and start fixing and don't expect it to be ready by christmas.

30 years of brutality can't be fixed overnight. And people need hope.

[AZOffaly]

Absolutely agree with you that the system has to be corrected, however every individual is responsible for his/her actions. And they have to be held accountable. And if they are terrorising an entire region, and killing people with impunity, then that has to be stopped, regardless of any systemic issues or failures.  You might have a pile of rubbish outside your house, but the minute you see a rat, you're going to kill the f**ker. You can move the pile as well, but the rat has to be removed.

[muppet]

The West and other parts of the Middle East need and court revolutionaries in that part of the world. Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Iran and Al Queda etc have all have benefited from hopelessly misguided foreign aid. The more successful of these revolutionaries are inclined towards radical Islamic rule or a military administration when they get power. Either of these quickly cause problems for their neighbours and the West.

Some of those in power in the west think democracy is the solution. Democracy is not about voting the right person in, it is about the ability to vote the wrong person out. If a Sunni majority votes in their man, the others can't vote him out no matter how bad he is. Thus democracy merely gives the biggest faction all of the power. This is a huge problem in Africa.

A wider solution is needed for all of the cultures of the area. The Western imposed national boundaries are absurd and are only temporary solutions, and nationalism doesn't seem to be an issue in the way it would be in the west.  Israel is the exception of course but they would also gain from anything remotely approaching a solution. Maybe they should look at a European Union equivalent, whereby nations are still independent but can be held accountable to a larger administration. The larger administration would need a strict charter and be compelled to look after all of the minority cultures as well as the dominant few.

[theskull1]

Coming to the conclusion that democracy is a flawed system. The corporate power brokers get to steer the population with scare tactics using the media and 'win' the hearts and minds of the political elite to do their bidding. If only benevolent dictatorship was more than just a theoretical political system.

[Mike Sheehy]

Coming to the conclusion that democracy is a flawed system. The corporate power brokers get to steer the population with scare tactics using the media and 'win' the hearts and minds of the political elite to do their bidding. If only benevolent dictatorship was more than just a theoretical political system.

tell us more about this "benevolent dictatorship"

[AZOffaly]

Like Sacha Baron Cohen in 'The Dictator'.

[theskull1]

Coming to the conclusion that democracy is a flawed system. The corporate power brokers get to steer the population with scare tactics using the media and 'win' the hearts and minds of the political elite to do their bidding. If only benevolent dictatorship was more than just a theoretical political system.

tell us more about this "benevolent dictatorship"

No

[LeoMc]

Coming to the conclusion that democracy is a flawed system. The corporate power brokers get to steer the population with scare tactics using the media and 'win' the hearts and minds of the political elite to do their bidding. If only benevolent dictatorship was more than just a theoretical political system.

The biggest problem with democracy is short-termism. Almost verything is about staying popular winning the next election with only a nod to the long term.
Just look at what we have in the North. Welfare and parades need hard unpopular choices but, even where we have no opposition they are afraid to annoy their voters.

[muppet]

Coming to the conclusion that democracy is a flawed system. The corporate power brokers get to steer the population with scare tactics using the media and 'win' the hearts and minds of the political elite to do their bidding. If only benevolent dictatorship was more than just a theoretical political system.

A good example of this is the marginal income tax rate here is now 52% while the Corporate Rate for trading income is 12.5% and in reality they pay nowhere near that.

Yet we have most political parties and media, up in arms at the very mention of changing the latter. The taxpayer bailed out the economy, but business will benefit from it. But say that out loud in Ireland and you'll incur the Wrath of Khan.

[Mike Sheehy]

Coming to the conclusion that democracy is a flawed system. The corporate power brokers get to steer the population with scare tactics using the media and 'win' the hearts and minds of the political elite to do their bidding. If only benevolent dictatorship was more than just a theoretical political system.

tell us more about this "benevolent dictatorship"

No

Why not ? Don't you believe in what you wrote ?