After four years in Egypt jail, Ibrahim Halawa is home (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/years-egypt-jail-ibrahim-halawa-home-171024123537952.html)
QuoteAn Irishman who was detained in Egypt for more than four years has finally returned home after being acquitted in September.
Ibrahim Halawa, arrested at the age of 17 as part of a deadly crackdown on protests in Cairo, had faced the death penalty.
He flew into Dublin Airport on Tuesday to a welcoming party, having travelled on the plane with Sean O Regan, ambassador of Ireland to Egypt.
Imagine going on a family holiday as a 17 year-old only to be arrested, tortured and facing the prospect of being sentenced to death. Seems like the Irish government deserves some credit for working on this case and getting him out. Fair play to them and shame on the Egyptian authorities for dragging their heels on this. 4 years is a long time to be locked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 06:05:44 PM
After four years in Egypt jail, Ibrahim Halawa is home (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/years-egypt-jail-ibrahim-halawa-home-171024123537952.html)
QuoteAn Irishman who was detained in Egypt for more than four years has finally returned home after being acquitted in September.
Ibrahim Halawa, arrested at the age of 17 as part of a deadly crackdown on protests in Cairo, had faced the death penalty.
He flew into Dublin Airport on Tuesday to a welcoming party, having travelled on the plane with Sean O Regan, ambassador of Ireland to Egypt.
Imagine going on a family holiday as a 17 year-old only to be arrested, tortured and sentenced to death. Seems like the Irish government deserves some credit for working on this case and getting him out. Fair play to them and shame on the Egyptian authorities for dragging their heels on this. 4 years is a long time to be locked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
It is despicable the amount of time, effort and taxpayer money wasted on one individual who was in a foreign country taking part in riots on behalf of the muslim brotherhood. If only the resources were directed on real problems facing OUR nation.
If he's an "irish" citizen why is he taking part in the political riots of another country?
Battle lines drawn after 2 posts... The thread will deteriorate from here which is a pity because it'd be genuinely interesting to hear people's views on this thorny subject.
Quote from: Boycey on October 24, 2017, 06:20:02 PM
Battle lines drawn after 2 posts... The thread will deteriorate from here which is a pity because it'd be genuinely interesting to hear people's views on this thorny subject.
Impossible to discuss any societal issues seriously here with the infestation of troll accounts.
For what it's worth, Ibrahim comes across as a misguided idiot at best. His family rightly or wrongly tried to whitewash this story into a simple wrong place, wrong time narative when it was never really the case.
Quote from: Boycey on October 24, 2017, 06:20:02 PM
Battle lines drawn after 2 posts... The thread will deteriorate from here which is a pity because it'd be genuinely interesting to hear people's views on this thorny subject.
Not at all. I have him on ignore.
Quote from: Syferus on October 24, 2017, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: Boycey on October 24, 2017, 06:20:02 PM
Battle lines drawn after 2 posts... The thread will deteriorate from here which is a pity because it'd be genuinely interesting to hear people's views on this thorny subject.
Impossible to discuss any societal issues seriously here with the infestation of troll accounts.
For what it's worth, Ibrahim comes across as a misguided idiot at best. His family rightly or wrongly tried to whitewash this story into a simple wrong place, wrong time narative when it was never really the case.
So you disagree with the court ruling that acquitted him?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 07:02:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 24, 2017, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: Boycey on October 24, 2017, 06:20:02 PM
Battle lines drawn after 2 posts... The thread will deteriorate from here which is a pity because it'd be genuinely interesting to hear people's views on this thorny subject.
Impossible to discuss any societal issues seriously here with the infestation of troll accounts.
For what it's worth, Ibrahim comes across as a misguided idiot at best. His family rightly or wrongly tried to whitewash this story into a simple wrong place, wrong time narative when it was never really the case.
So you disagree with the court ruling that acquitted him?
Because that's exactly what he just wrote. ::)
You're the f**king straw man king around here.
What?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 06:05:44 PM
After four years in Egypt jail, Ibrahim Halawa is home (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/years-egypt-jail-ibrahim-halawa-home-171024123537952.html)
QuoteAn Irishman who was detained in Egypt for more than four years has finally returned home after being acquitted in September.
Ibrahim Halawa, arrested at the age of 17 as part of a deadly crackdown on protests in Cairo, had faced the death penalty.
He flew into Dublin Airport on Tuesday to a welcoming party, having travelled on the plane with Sean O Regan, ambassador of Ireland to Egypt.
Imagine going on a family holiday as a 17 year-old only to be arrested, tortured and facing the prospect of being sentenced to death. Seems like the Irish government deserves some credit for working on this case and getting him out. Fair play to them and shame on the Egyptian authorities for dragging their heels on this. 4 years is a long time to be locked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Egypt is essentially a third world country ruled by a military dictatorship. Who in their right mind would go here to partke in political demonstrations? What the fvck did he and his sister think would happen to them if $hit went pear shaped? Not an ounce of sympathy for him from here
Quote from: whitey on October 24, 2017, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 06:05:44 PM
After four years in Egypt jail, Ibrahim Halawa is home (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/years-egypt-jail-ibrahim-halawa-home-171024123537952.html)
QuoteAn Irishman who was detained in Egypt for more than four years has finally returned home after being acquitted in September.
Ibrahim Halawa, arrested at the age of 17 as part of a deadly crackdown on protests in Cairo, had faced the death penalty.
He flew into Dublin Airport on Tuesday to a welcoming party, having travelled on the plane with Sean O Regan, ambassador of Ireland to Egypt.
Imagine going on a family holiday as a 17 year-old only to be arrested, tortured and facing the prospect of being sentenced to death. Seems like the Irish government deserves some credit for working on this case and getting him out. Fair play to them and shame on the Egyptian authorities for dragging their heels on this. 4 years is a long time to be locked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Egypt is essentially a third world country ruled by a military dictatorship. Who in their right mind would go here to partke in political demonstrations? What the fvck did he and his sister think would happen to them if $hit went pear shaped? Not an ounce of sympathy for him from here
What did those fools on bloody Sunday think would happen protesting in a orange state under British army control.
Quote from: Itchy on October 24, 2017, 07:59:04 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 24, 2017, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 06:05:44 PM
After four years in Egypt jail, Ibrahim Halawa is home (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/years-egypt-jail-ibrahim-halawa-home-171024123537952.html)
QuoteAn Irishman who was detained in Egypt for more than four years has finally returned home after being acquitted in September.
Ibrahim Halawa, arrested at the age of 17 as part of a deadly crackdown on protests in Cairo, had faced the death penalty.
He flew into Dublin Airport on Tuesday to a welcoming party, having travelled on the plane with Sean O Regan, ambassador of Ireland to Egypt.
Imagine going on a family holiday as a 17 year-old only to be arrested, tortured and facing the prospect of being sentenced to death. Seems like the Irish government deserves some credit for working on this case and getting him out. Fair play to them and shame on the Egyptian authorities for dragging their heels on this. 4 years is a long time to be locked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Egypt is essentially a third world country ruled by a military dictatorship. Who in their right mind would go here to partke in political demonstrations? What the fvck did he and his sister think would happen to them if $hit went pear shaped? Not an ounce of sympathy for him from here
What did those fools on bloody Sunday think would happen protesting in a orange state under British army control.
I have no idea....I wasn't there, but last time I checked the Catholics were not trying to impose Sharia Law on anyone on Bloody Sunday.
Quote from: whitey on October 24, 2017, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 06:05:44 PM
After four years in Egypt jail, Ibrahim Halawa is home (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/years-egypt-jail-ibrahim-halawa-home-171024123537952.html)
QuoteAn Irishman who was detained in Egypt for more than four years has finally returned home after being acquitted in September.
Ibrahim Halawa, arrested at the age of 17 as part of a deadly crackdown on protests in Cairo, had faced the death penalty.
He flew into Dublin Airport on Tuesday to a welcoming party, having travelled on the plane with Sean O Regan, ambassador of Ireland to Egypt.
Imagine going on a family holiday as a 17 year-old only to be arrested, tortured and facing the prospect of being sentenced to death. Seems like the Irish government deserves some credit for working on this case and getting him out. Fair play to them and shame on the Egyptian authorities for dragging their heels on this. 4 years is a long time to be locked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Egypt is essentially a third world country ruled by a military dictatorship. Who in their right mind would go here to partke in political demonstrations? What the fvck did he and his sister think would happen to them if $hit went pear shaped? Not an ounce of sympathy for him from here
A dictatorship propped up by the US
Quote from: whitey on October 24, 2017, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 06:05:44 PM
After four years in Egypt jail, Ibrahim Halawa is home (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/years-egypt-jail-ibrahim-halawa-home-171024123537952.html)
QuoteAn Irishman who was detained in Egypt for more than four years has finally returned home after being acquitted in September.
Ibrahim Halawa, arrested at the age of 17 as part of a deadly crackdown on protests in Cairo, had faced the death penalty.
He flew into Dublin Airport on Tuesday to a welcoming party, having travelled on the plane with Sean O Regan, ambassador of Ireland to Egypt.
Imagine going on a family holiday as a 17 year-old only to be arrested, tortured and facing the prospect of being sentenced to death. Seems like the Irish government deserves some credit for working on this case and getting him out. Fair play to them and shame on the Egyptian authorities for dragging their heels on this. 4 years is a long time to be locked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Egypt is essentially a third world country ruled by a military dictatorship. Who in their right mind would go here to partke in political demonstrations? What the fvck did he and his sister think would happen to them if $hit went pear shaped? Not an ounce of sympathy for him from here
The family went there on holiday and got caught up in demonstrations.
Oh wait, you don't believe him, do you? I wonder why that is. If his name were "Seamus O'Flynn" and his skin a bit paler would you believe him then? And did you believe the "Birmingham bombers" when they claimed they had just been playing with cards rather than handling explosives?
Quote from: seafoid on October 24, 2017, 09:10:28 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 24, 2017, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 06:05:44 PM
After four years in Egypt jail, Ibrahim Halawa is home (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/years-egypt-jail-ibrahim-halawa-home-171024123537952.html)
QuoteAn Irishman who was detained in Egypt for more than four years has finally returned home after being acquitted in September.
Ibrahim Halawa, arrested at the age of 17 as part of a deadly crackdown on protests in Cairo, had faced the death penalty.
He flew into Dublin Airport on Tuesday to a welcoming party, having travelled on the plane with Sean O Regan, ambassador of Ireland to Egypt.
Imagine going on a family holiday as a 17 year-old only to be arrested, tortured and facing the prospect of being sentenced to death. Seems like the Irish government deserves some credit for working on this case and getting him out. Fair play to them and shame on the Egyptian authorities for dragging their heels on this. 4 years is a long time to be locked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Egypt is essentially a third world country ruled by a military dictatorship. Who in their right mind would go here to partke in political demonstrations? What the fvck did he and his sister think would happen to them if $hit went pear shaped? Not an ounce of sympathy for him from here
A dictatorship propped up by the US
What does that have to do with his decision to take part in a revolt in a foreign country and subsequent jailing?
BTW...do you think I agree with every policy decision of the US State Dept?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 09:33:40 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 24, 2017, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 06:05:44 PM
After four years in Egypt jail, Ibrahim Halawa is home (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/years-egypt-jail-ibrahim-halawa-home-171024123537952.html)
QuoteAn Irishman who was detained in Egypt for more than four years has finally returned home after being acquitted in September.
Ibrahim Halawa, arrested at the age of 17 as part of a deadly crackdown on protests in Cairo, had faced the death penalty.
He flew into Dublin Airport on Tuesday to a welcoming party, having travelled on the plane with Sean O Regan, ambassador of Ireland to Egypt.
Imagine going on a family holiday as a 17 year-old only to be arrested, tortured and facing the prospect of being sentenced to death. Seems like the Irish government deserves some credit for working on this case and getting him out. Fair play to them and shame on the Egyptian authorities for dragging their heels on this. 4 years is a long time to be locked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Egypt is essentially a third world country ruled by a military dictatorship. Who in their right mind would go here to partke in political demonstrations? What the fvck did he and his sister think would happen to them if $hit went pear shaped? Not an ounce of sympathy for him from here
The family went there on holiday and got caught up in demonstrations.
Oh wait, you don't believe him, do you? I wonder why that is. If his name were "Seamus O'Flynn" and his skin a bit paler would you believe him then? And did you believe the "Birmingham bombers" when they claimed they had just been playing with cards rather than handling explosives?
Ahhhh the old liberal fallback....accuse me of rascism
For the record, neither I would also have sympathy if the people who went swimming in Salthill during the hurricane got drowned
I would have no sympathy either for people who climb Croagh Patrick when the climb is cancelled due to bad weather
Ah, the old conservative fallback. Complain about being called a racist when you're being racist.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 09:33:40 PM
The family went there on holiday and got caught up in demonstrations.
"Caught up"!! PMSL. He got caught alright. Up to no good.
Reminds me of others who get up to no good that liberals seem to want to give a free pass to.
So where shall we go for the summer holidays next year kids?
Tramore? Bundoran? Eurodisney? Costa Del sol? Gaza Strip? Raqqa?
Quote from: whitey on October 24, 2017, 09:39:18 PM
Ahhhh the old liberal fallback....accuse me of rascism
For the record, neither I would also have sympathy if the people who went swimming in Salthill during the hurricane got drowned
I would have no sympathy either for people who climb Croagh Patrick when the climb is cancelled due to bad weather
Want to shut down debate? Either accuse others of trolling or pull out the race card. Never fails.
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Quote from: whitey on October 24, 2017, 08:13:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 24, 2017, 07:59:04 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 24, 2017, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 06:05:44 PM
After four years in Egypt jail, Ibrahim Halawa is home (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/years-egypt-jail-ibrahim-halawa-home-171024123537952.html)
QuoteAn Irishman who was detained in Egypt for more than four years has finally returned home after being acquitted in September.
Ibrahim Halawa, arrested at the age of 17 as part of a deadly crackdown on protests in Cairo, had faced the death penalty.
He flew into Dublin Airport on Tuesday to a welcoming party, having travelled on the plane with Sean O Regan, ambassador of Ireland to Egypt.
Imagine going on a family holiday as a 17 year-old only to be arrested, tortured and facing the prospect of being sentenced to death. Seems like the Irish government deserves some credit for working on this case and getting him out. Fair play to them and shame on the Egyptian authorities for dragging their heels on this. 4 years is a long time to be locked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Egypt is essentially a third world country ruled by a military dictatorship. Who in their right mind would go here to partke in political demonstrations? What the fvck did he and his sister think would happen to them if $hit went pear shaped? Not an ounce of sympathy for him from here
What did those fools on bloody Sunday think would happen protesting in a orange state under British army control.
I have no idea....I wasn't there, but last time I checked the Catholics were not trying to impose Sharia Law on anyone on Bloody Sunday.
I'd hazard a guess you weren't in Cairo either so you wouldn't know anything about that either.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 09:33:40 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 24, 2017, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 06:05:44 PM
After four years in Egypt jail, Ibrahim Halawa is home (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/years-egypt-jail-ibrahim-halawa-home-171024123537952.html)
QuoteAn Irishman who was detained in Egypt for more than four years has finally returned home after being acquitted in September.
Ibrahim Halawa, arrested at the age of 17 as part of a deadly crackdown on protests in Cairo, had faced the death penalty.
He flew into Dublin Airport on Tuesday to a welcoming party, having travelled on the plane with Sean O Regan, ambassador of Ireland to Egypt.
Imagine going on a family holiday as a 17 year-old only to be arrested, tortured and facing the prospect of being sentenced to death. Seems like the Irish government deserves some credit for working on this case and getting him out. Fair play to them and shame on the Egyptian authorities for dragging their heels on this. 4 years is a long time to be locked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Egypt is essentially a third world country ruled by a military dictatorship. Who in their right mind would go here to partke in political demonstrations? What the fvck did he and his sister think would happen to them if $hit went pear shaped? Not an ounce of sympathy for him from here
The family went there on holiday and got caught up in demonstrations.
Oh wait, you don't believe him, do you? I wonder why that is. If his name were "Seamus O'Flynn" and his skin a bit paler would you believe him then? And did you believe the "Birmingham bombers" when they claimed they had just been playing with cards rather than handling explosives?
Eygpt during the Arab Spring is not a holiday destination.
Quote from: whitey on October 24, 2017, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 06:05:44 PM
After four years in Egypt jail, Ibrahim Halawa is home (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/years-egypt-jail-ibrahim-halawa-home-171024123537952.html)
QuoteAn Irishman who was detained in Egypt for more than four years has finally returned home after being acquitted in September.
Ibrahim Halawa, arrested at the age of 17 as part of a deadly crackdown on protests in Cairo, had faced the death penalty.
He flew into Dublin Airport on Tuesday to a welcoming party, having travelled on the plane with Sean O Regan, ambassador of Ireland to Egypt.
Imagine going on a family holiday as a 17 year-old only to be arrested, tortured and facing the prospect of being sentenced to death. Seems like the Irish government deserves some credit for working on this case and getting him out. Fair play to them and shame on the Egyptian authorities for dragging their heels on this. 4 years is a long time to be locked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Egypt is essentially a third world country ruled by a military dictatorship. Who in their right mind would go here to partke in political demonstrations? What the fvck did he and his sister think would happen to them if $hit went pear shaped? Not an ounce of sympathy for him from here
Tbf, they were protesting about the illegal overthrow of a democratically elected president in a country which had only just overthrown a long serving dictator. Travelling was perhaps unwise and naive but being of Egyptian heritage (their parents presumably lived under Gaddafi and chose to leave) it's understandable that they would feel an affinity with that country and sympathy with what was happening there
Quote from: Syferus on October 24, 2017, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 09:33:40 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 24, 2017, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 06:05:44 PM
After four years in Egypt jail, Ibrahim Halawa is home (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/years-egypt-jail-ibrahim-halawa-home-171024123537952.html)
QuoteAn Irishman who was detained in Egypt for more than four years has finally returned home after being acquitted in September.
Ibrahim Halawa, arrested at the age of 17 as part of a deadly crackdown on protests in Cairo, had faced the death penalty.
He flew into Dublin Airport on Tuesday to a welcoming party, having travelled on the plane with Sean O Regan, ambassador of Ireland to Egypt.
Imagine going on a family holiday as a 17 year-old only to be arrested, tortured and facing the prospect of being sentenced to death. Seems like the Irish government deserves some credit for working on this case and getting him out. Fair play to them and shame on the Egyptian authorities for dragging their heels on this. 4 years is a long time to be locked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Egypt is essentially a third world country ruled by a military dictatorship. Who in their right mind would go here to partke in political demonstrations? What the fvck did he and his sister think would happen to them if $hit went pear shaped? Not an ounce of sympathy for him from here
The family went there on holiday and got caught up in demonstrations.
Oh wait, you don't believe him, do you? I wonder why that is. If his name were "Seamus O'Flynn" and his skin a bit paler would you believe him then? And did you believe the "Birmingham bombers" when they claimed they had just been playing with cards rather than handling explosives?
Eygpt during the Arab Spring is not a holiday destination.
You are certain, they weren't visiting family and got caught up in the whole optimism of potentially having a democracy? You'd know after all from your spy base in roscommon.
Quote from: macdanger2 on October 24, 2017, 10:39:23 PM
Tbf, they were protesting about the illegal overthrow of a democratically elected president in a country which had only just overthrown a long serving dictator. Travelling was perhaps unwise and naive but being of Egyptian heritage (their parents presumably lived under Gaddafi and chose to leave) it's understandable that they would feel an affinity with that country and sympathy with what was happening there
I'm quoting that out before you get a chance to edit and correct it!
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 10:49:52 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on October 24, 2017, 10:39:23 PM
Tbf, they were protesting about the illegal overthrow of a democratically elected president in a country which had only just overthrown a long serving dictator. Travelling was perhaps unwise and naive but being of Egyptian heritage (their parents presumably lived under Gaddafi and chose to leave) it's understandable that they would feel an affinity with that country and sympathy with what was happening there
I'm quoting that out before you get a chance to edit and correct it!
Doh :o
Well plenty of people who look exactly like him believed he has up to no good either, so I suppose they are rascists too.
He went looking for trouble and he got it....end of
If you don't want to hear people's opinions dont bother starting a fvckin thread.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 09:44:35 PM
Ah, the old conservative fallback. Complain about being called a racist when you're being racist.
Nobody is being racist you feckin gobshite!
He has an alternative view, deal with it!
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 12:21:35 AM
Well plenty of people who look exactly like him believed he has up to no good either, so I suppose they are rascists too.
Plenty of people who looked and sounded like the Birmingham Six thought they were up to no good either.
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He went looking for trouble and he got it....end of
He went on holiday with his family.
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If you don't want to hear people's opinions dont bother starting a fvckin thread.
Who said anything about "not wanting to hear other people's opinions?" I started this thread knowing full well it'd attract all the racist attitudes I've come to expect. I enjoy getting people to open their mouths and make fools out of themselves so I can mock them.
Quote from: whitey on October 24, 2017, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2017, 06:05:44 PM
After four years in Egypt jail, Ibrahim Halawa is home (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/years-egypt-jail-ibrahim-halawa-home-171024123537952.html)
QuoteAn Irishman who was detained in Egypt for more than four years has finally returned home after being acquitted in September.
Ibrahim Halawa, arrested at the age of 17 as part of a deadly crackdown on protests in Cairo, had faced the death penalty.
He flew into Dublin Airport on Tuesday to a welcoming party, having travelled on the plane with Sean O Regan, ambassador of Ireland to Egypt.
Imagine going on a family holiday as a 17 year-old only to be arrested, tortured and facing the prospect of being sentenced to death. Seems like the Irish government deserves some credit for working on this case and getting him out. Fair play to them and shame on the Egyptian authorities for dragging their heels on this. 4 years is a long time to be locked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Egypt is essentially a third world country ruled by a military dictatorship. Who in their right mind would go here to partke in political demonstrations? What the fvck did he and his sister think would happen to them if $hit went pear shaped? Not an ounce of sympathy for him from here
This. It's not too far from the American kid who thought to steal the North Korea propaganda. Idiotic decision making at best.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 25, 2017, 01:53:51 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 12:21:35 AM
Well plenty of people who look exactly like him believed he has up to no good either, so I suppose they are rascists too.
Plenty of people who looked and sounded like the Birmingham Six thought they were up to no good either.
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He went looking for trouble and he got it....end of
He went on holiday with his family.
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If you don't want to hear people's opinions dont bother starting a fvckin thread.
Who said anything about "not wanting to hear other people's opinions?" I started this thread knowing full well it'd attract all the racist attitudes I've come to expect. I enjoy getting people to open their mouths and make fools out of themselves so I can mock them.
This guy and his sisters went looking for trouble and they got it in spades.....maybe next year, theyll go to Butlins or Majorca on their holidays. If hes innocent, then its a shame what happened, but he, and he alone put himself that position
Family holiday ;D ;D ;D
Look the lad was naive and got involved in something he should have kept out off considering the military were playing hard ball. His parents should have given him better direction and/or put their foot down a bit more.
It was a rough lesson but lets not pretend that he was there defending western principles like democracy. And even if he was why should democracy be imposed on Egypt they've been around a fair few years without it, while democracy serves us up beauties like Trump, DUP and Brexit.
He'll learn a lesson from it at the end of the day. Went into something that had no bearing on his life and ultimately had nothing to do with him. I doubt he will try and act the rebel again.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 25, 2017, 01:53:51 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 12:21:35 AM
Well plenty of people who look exactly like him believed he has up to no good either, so I suppose they are rascists too.
Plenty of people who looked and sounded like the Birmingham Six thought they were up to no good either.
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He went looking for trouble and he got it....end of
He went on holiday with his family.
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If you don't want to hear people's opinions dont bother starting a fvckin thread.
Who said anything about "not wanting to hear other people's opinions?" I started this thread knowing full well it'd attract all the racist attitudes I've come to expect. I enjoy getting people to open their mouths and make fools out of themselves so I can mock them.
Absolute arrogance! you see racism everywhere and judging by your last post you love yourself and have a very high opinion of your intellect, don't have a very high opinion of your intellect, as for racism, there is none to see here kid.
Who knew so many Northern GAA people supported the incarceration of the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four?
Thankfully the Halawa case has exposed these people's real views, given that there is essentially no difference between it and those cases.
Quote from: omaghjoe on October 25, 2017, 04:04:32 AM
Family holiday ;D ;D ;D
Look the lad was naive and got involved in something he should have kept out off considering the military were playing hard ball. His parents should have given him better direction and/or put their foot down a bit more.
It was a rough lesson but lets not pretend that he was there defending western principles like democracy. And even if he was why should democracy be imposed on Egypt they've been around a fair few years without it, while democracy serves us up beauties like Trump, DUP and Brexit.
Not sure what you mean by that - there was a dictator (not gaddafi), he was overthrown, there was an election where Morsi and the Muslim brotherhood were elected and then there was a military coup (presumably backed by outside forces) to install a new leader. That it was the Muslim brotherhood who were deposed doesn't change the fact that it was a coup
Glad the lad is home.
4 years in jail then found not guilty......
Good old Western friendly illegal Governments.....
As an aside - must say I H didn't look malnourished so was obviously fed ok anyway.
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 09:14:47 AM
Who knew so many Northern GAA people supported the incarceration of the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four?
Thankfully the Halawa case has exposed these people's real views, given that there is essentially no difference between it and those cases.
Well thats your opinion, but plenty of people have a different opinion
They went to Egypt and willingly participated in an act of civil unrest against a military dictatorship.
Maybe they should watch a few episodes of Locked up Abroad before chosing the location of next years holiday
Quote from: stew on October 25, 2017, 09:09:01 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 25, 2017, 01:53:51 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 12:21:35 AM
Well plenty of people who look exactly like him believed he has up to no good either, so I suppose they are rascists too.
Plenty of people who looked and sounded like the Birmingham Six thought they were up to no good either.
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He went looking for trouble and he got it....end of
He went on holiday with his family.
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If you don't want to hear people's opinions dont bother starting a fvckin thread.
Who said anything about "not wanting to hear other people's opinions?" I started this thread knowing full well it'd attract all the racist attitudes I've come to expect. I enjoy getting people to open their mouths and make fools out of themselves so I can mock them.
Absolute arrogance! you see racism everywhere and judging by your last post you love yourself and have a very high opinion of your intellect, don't have a very high opinion of your intellect, as for racism, there is none to see here kid.
Stew - the bit in bold above is racist. It insinuates importance in what a person thinks based on what they look like. In this case dark coloured skin.
Quote from: Itchy on October 25, 2017, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: stew on October 25, 2017, 09:09:01 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 25, 2017, 01:53:51 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 12:21:35 AM
Well plenty of people who look exactly like him believed he has up to no good either, so I suppose they are rascists too.
Plenty of people who looked and sounded like the Birmingham Six thought they were up to no good either.
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He went looking for trouble and he got it....end of
He went on holiday with his family.
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If you don't want to hear people's opinions dont bother starting a fvckin thread.
Who said anything about "not wanting to hear other people's opinions?" I started this thread knowing full well it'd attract all the racist attitudes I've come to expect. I enjoy getting people to open their mouths and make fools out of themselves so I can mock them.
Absolute arrogance! you see racism everywhere and judging by your last post you love yourself and have a very high opinion of your intellect, don't have a very high opinion of your intellect, as for racism, there is none to see here kid.
Stew - the bit in bold above is racist. It insinuates importance in what a person thinks based on what they look like. In this case dark coloured skin.
Quite the opposite....I was accused of being rascist because I have little if any sympathy for him.
My lack of sympathy has nothing to do with the color of his skin, it has to do with his own actions that led hm to this place
If those stupid cvnts in Galway had gotten drowned last week.....I wouldnt have had any sympathy for them either. My lack of sympathy has nothing to to with the fact theyre from Galway
My question/statement was (until you tried to twist it) are the Egyptians who locked him up also rascist?
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 10:45:23 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 09:14:47 AM
Who knew so many Northern GAA people supported the incarceration of the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four?
Thankfully the Halawa case has exposed these people's real views, given that there is essentially no difference between it and those cases.
Well thats your opinion, but plenty of people have a different opinion
They went to Egypt and willingly participated in an act of civil unrest against a military dictatorship.
Maybe they should watch a few episodes of Locked up Abroad before chosing the location of next years holiday
How interesting that you're defending the incarceration of an innocent Irish citizen.
We can all guess why that is.
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 12:12:25 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 10:45:23 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 09:14:47 AM
Who knew so many Northern GAA people supported the incarceration of the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four?
Thankfully the Halawa case has exposed these people's real views, given that there is essentially no difference between it and those cases.
Well thats your opinion, but plenty of people have a different opinion
They went to Egypt and willingly participated in an act of civil unrest against a military dictatorship.
Maybe they should watch a few episodes of Locked up Abroad before chosing the location of next years holiday
How interesting that you're defending the incarceration of an innocent Irish citizen.
We can all guess why that is.
He brought it on himself. If you think Im saying that because Im rascist, well thats your opinion and your perfectly entitled to it . This is a discussion board....thats what people do.....share opinions
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 12:03:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 25, 2017, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: stew on October 25, 2017, 09:09:01 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 25, 2017, 01:53:51 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 12:21:35 AM
Well plenty of people who look exactly like him believed he has up to no good either, so I suppose they are rascists too.
Plenty of people who looked and sounded like the Birmingham Six thought they were up to no good either.
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He went looking for trouble and he got it....end of
He went on holiday with his family.
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If you don't want to hear people's opinions dont bother starting a fvckin thread.
Who said anything about "not wanting to hear other people's opinions?" I started this thread knowing full well it'd attract all the racist attitudes I've come to expect. I enjoy getting people to open their mouths and make fools out of themselves so I can mock them.
Absolute arrogance! you see racism everywhere and judging by your last post you love yourself and have a very high opinion of your intellect, don't have a very high opinion of your intellect, as for racism, there is none to see here kid.
Stew - the bit in bold above is racist. It insinuates importance in what a person thinks based on what they look like. In this case dark coloured skin.
Quite the opposite....I was accused of being rascist because I have little if any sympathy for him.
My lack of sympathy has nothing to do with the color of his skin, it has to do with his own actions that led hm to this place
If those stupid cvnts in Galway had gotten drowned last week.....I wouldnt have had any sympathy for them either. My lack of sympathy has nothing to to with the fact theyre from Galway
My question/statement was (until you tried to twist it) are the Egyptians who locked him up also rascist?
The Egyptians who locked him up are part of a military coup, back by the US, to over throw a democratically elected government. The colour of their skin is irrelevant.
Quote from: Itchy on October 25, 2017, 12:27:51 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 12:03:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 25, 2017, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: stew on October 25, 2017, 09:09:01 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 25, 2017, 01:53:51 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 12:21:35 AM
Well plenty of people who look exactly like him believed he has up to no good either, so I suppose they are rascists too.
Plenty of people who looked and sounded like the Birmingham Six thought they were up to no good either.
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He went looking for trouble and he got it....end of
He went on holiday with his family.
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If you don't want to hear people's opinions dont bother starting a fvckin thread.
Who said anything about "not wanting to hear other people's opinions?" I started this thread knowing full well it'd attract all the racist attitudes I've come to expect. I enjoy getting people to open their mouths and make fools out of themselves so I can mock them.
Absolute arrogance! you see racism everywhere and judging by your last post you love yourself and have a very high opinion of your intellect, don't have a very high opinion of your intellect, as for racism, there is none to see here kid.
Stew - the bit in bold above is racist. It insinuates importance in what a person thinks based on what they look like. In this case dark coloured skin.
Quite the opposite....I was accused of being rascist because I have little if any sympathy for him.
My lack of sympathy has nothing to do with the color of his skin, it has to do with his own actions that led hm to this place
If those stupid cvnts in Galway had gotten drowned last week.....I wouldnt have had any sympathy for them either. My lack of sympathy has nothing to to with the fact theyre from Galway
My question/statement was (until you tried to twist it) are the Egyptians who locked him up also rascist?
The Egyptians who locked him up are part of a military coup, back by the US, to over throw a democratically elected government. The colour of their skin is irrelevant.
Correct.....but would you please complete the story and tell us all what the Muslim Brotherhood did once they were elected that caused Morsi to be ousted by the military.
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 12:31:00 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 25, 2017, 12:27:51 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 12:03:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 25, 2017, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: stew on October 25, 2017, 09:09:01 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 25, 2017, 01:53:51 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 12:21:35 AM
Well plenty of people who look exactly like him believed he has up to no good either, so I suppose they are rascists too.
Plenty of people who looked and sounded like the Birmingham Six thought they were up to no good either.
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He went looking for trouble and he got it....end of
He went on holiday with his family.
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If you don't want to hear people's opinions dont bother starting a fvckin thread.
Who said anything about "not wanting to hear other people's opinions?" I started this thread knowing full well it'd attract all the racist attitudes I've come to expect. I enjoy getting people to open their mouths and make fools out of themselves so I can mock them.
Absolute arrogance! you see racism everywhere and judging by your last post you love yourself and have a very high opinion of your intellect, don't have a very high opinion of your intellect, as for racism, there is none to see here kid.
Stew - the bit in bold above is racist. It insinuates importance in what a person thinks based on what they look like. In this case dark coloured skin.
Quite the opposite....I was accused of being rascist because I have little if any sympathy for him.
My lack of sympathy has nothing to do with the color of his skin, it has to do with his own actions that led hm to this place
If those stupid cvnts in Galway had gotten drowned last week.....I wouldnt have had any sympathy for them either. My lack of sympathy has nothing to to with the fact theyre from Galway
My question/statement was (until you tried to twist it) are the Egyptians who locked him up also rascist?
The Egyptians who locked him up are part of a military coup, back by the US, to over throw a democratically elected government. The colour of their skin is irrelevant.
Correct.....but would you please complete the story and tell us all what the Muslim Brotherhood did once they were elected that caused Morsi to be ousted by the military.
How is that relevant? You are allowed democracy as long as it gives the right result? In any case, throwing innocent people in jail for no reason is not allowed in the civilized world.
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 10:45:23 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 09:14:47 AM
Who knew so many Northern GAA people supported the incarceration of the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four?
Thankfully the Halawa case has exposed these people's real views, given that there is essentially no difference between it and those cases.
Well thats your opinion, but plenty of people have a different opinion
They went to Egypt and willingly participated in an act of civil unrest against a military dictatorship who had forcibly overthrow a democratically elected government, but because the military are heavily financed by the US due to the land border with Palestine the west didn't like that particular form of democracy and were OK with the suppression of democracy in this instance
Maybe they should watch a few episodes of Locked up Abroad before chosing the location of next years holiday
Fixed that for you as some here are getting confused or ignoring what was actually happening in Egypt at the time.
Quote from: johnneycool on October 25, 2017, 01:57:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 10:45:23 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 09:14:47 AM
Who knew so many Northern GAA people supported the incarceration of the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four?
Thankfully the Halawa case has exposed these people's real views, given that there is essentially no difference between it and those cases.
Well thats your opinion, but plenty of people have a different opinion
They went to Egypt and willingly participated in an act of civil unrest against a military dictatorship who had forcibly overthrow a democratically elected government, but because the military are heavily financed by the US due to the land border with Palestine the west didn't like that particular form of democracy and were OK with the suppression of democracy in this instance
Maybe they should watch a few episodes of Locked up Abroad before chosing the location of next years holiday
Fixed that for you as some here are getting confused or ignoring what was actually happening in Egypt at the time.
Well if he and his sisters knew how to read, they wouldnt have gone there "on holidays" in the first place
https://www.dfa.ie/news-and-media/press-releases/press-release-archive/2013/july/developments-in-egypt/
"At this stage, in view of the serious events overnight and in recent days, my Department has recommended against all non-essential travel to Egypt"
He went looking for trouble, and he got it
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 02:44:46 PM
He went looking for trouble, and he got it
he went to visit his family. No doubt in our own famiies people came in visit in the 70s in the 6 counties when perhaps there may have been advisories against it.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 25, 2017, 02:50:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 02:44:46 PM
He went looking for trouble, and he got it
he went to visit his family. No doubt in our own famiies people came in visit in the 70s in the 6 counties when perhaps there may have been advisories against it.
Pretty much. You'd almost be forgiven for thinking that the complete lack of compassion for this kid (he was 17 at the time), and the inability to believe his side of the story, was racially motivated.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 25, 2017, 02:50:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 02:44:46 PM
He went looking for trouble, and he got it
he went to visit his family. No doubt in our own famiies people came in visit in the 70s in the 6 counties when perhaps there may have been advisories against it.
Why do you keep making excuses for him?
He and he alone placed himself in a situation of great danger.
He displayed a complete lack of judgement and even ignored a direct warning from the Dept of Foreign Affairs not to travel to Egypt at that time
Once there, he placed himself in even greater peril by partaking in political demonstrations.
No different from the knobs who went swimming in Salthill during the hurricane last week.
a lot of people are linking Ibrahim Halawa with the muslim brotherhood. is there any factual evidence for this?
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 03:52:38 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 25, 2017, 02:50:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 02:44:46 PM
He went looking for trouble, and he got it
he went to visit his family. No doubt in our own famiies people came in visit in the 70s in the 6 counties when perhaps there may have been advisories against it.
Why do you keep making excuses for him?
He and he alone placed himself in a situation of great danger.
He displayed a complete lack of judgement and even ignored a direct warning from the Dept of Foreign Affairs not to travel to Egypt at that time
Once there, he placed himself in even greater peril by partaking in political demonstrations.
No different from the knobs who went swimming in Salthill during the hurricane last week.
i dont think the saltill swimmers believed they were going to return the country to democracy and rule of law . maybe but i doubt it
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 25, 2017, 01:53:51 AM
Who said anything about "not wanting to hear other people's opinions?" I started this thread knowing full well it'd attract all the racist attitudes I've come to expect. I enjoy getting people to open their mouths and make fools out of themselves so I can mock them.
Isn't this the textbook definition of trolling?????? He's actually ADMITTING it!!!The evidence is clear.
Not for the first time Eamon has been trying to agitate posters into getting a reaction. Maybe Eamon should do the decent thing and report himself to a moderator.
Nobody likes a hypocrite.
And for those of you who aren't aware of Eamon's historical hissy fits see below. Surely going by the previous demands of the poster himself this is going to warrant an immediate ban from this site?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 06, 2017, 08:20:25 PM
He's still here! Why is he still allowed to post here? He broke Rule 8, the penalty for which is an immediate permanent ban! It's in the book it's in black and white! The book! The book! The book!
Quote8. Joining up to cause trouble, or to annoy people.
Occasionally, some people join the board simply to post something abusive, or to 'flame' the board. These people are generally easy to spot (see the F365 invasion last
year) and have no real interest in the GAA Board. Also some people, who have been banned permanently, rejoin under different usernames and continue with the
behaviour that led to the ban. By tracking IPs, behaviour and other items, we can sometimes tell this fairly easily, and these users will be banned again.
Penalty - Immediate Permanent Ban
Come on, mods! You either have rules or you don't!
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 08, 2017, 02:34:22 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 08, 2017, 02:17:41 AM
Same. Alluding to technicalities as opposed to acting like an adult and understanding the Mods don't particularly want to get involved in every little spat.
The thing that really gets me is the expectation that someone else sort out their complaints on an anonymous Internet forum, the arrogance and/or gross stupidity is breathtaking.
This is not a "little spat." This is a trolling campaign that is over a year old and has flagrantly violated several rules of the board, one of which carries an immediate permanent ban. This forum is supposed to have rules and all I'm asking for is that at least some of them be enforced. If the rules are to be discarded then this place will become a honeypot for every far right Nazi on the web. "Come on over to GAAboard! Post links to alt-right websites and insult some lefties while you're at it! It's a great place where you can get away with murder!"
Rules are rules. There's nothing "arrogant" or "grossly stupid" about it.
And also according to the moderators Eamon should be banned.
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on October 09, 2017, 10:44:18 AM
If a poster or posters are seen to have a pattern of 'stirring it up' then the moderator will make a subjective decision on whether the poster is a troll and can take action according to Rule 8.
Rules are rules eh?
Quote from: rosnarun on October 25, 2017, 03:55:30 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 03:52:38 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 25, 2017, 02:50:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 02:44:46 PM
He went looking for trouble, and he got it
he went to visit his family. No doubt in our own famiies people came in visit in the 70s in the 6 counties when perhaps there may have been advisories against it.
Why do you keep making excuses for him?
He and he alone placed himself in a situation of great danger.
He displayed a complete lack of judgement and even ignored a direct warning from the Dept of Foreign Affairs not to travel to Egypt at that time
Once there, he placed himself in even greater peril by partaking in political demonstrations.
No different from the knobs who went swimming in Salthill during the hurricane last week.
i dont think the saltill swimmers believed they were going to return the country to democracy and rule of law . maybe but i doubt it
Haha....you need to read up on the Muslim Brotherhood
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/01/mohamed-morsi-execution-death-sentence-egypt
But the event that may have sealed his fate came a month later, in November 2012. Seeking to fast-track a controversial, Islamist-slanted constitution, Morsi awarded himself total executive control, allowing himself to bypass judicial procedures to ensure the text was put to a public vote without further debate
Quote from: rosnarun on October 25, 2017, 03:54:10 PM
a lot of people are linking Ibrahim Halawa with the muslim brotherhood. is there any factual evidence for this?
They're taking one look at his name, checking the colour of his skin, and deciding that he's with the terrorists.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 25, 2017, 06:01:53 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 25, 2017, 03:54:10 PM
a lot of people are linking Ibrahim Halawa with the muslim brotherhood. is there any factual evidence for this?
They're taking one look at his name, checking the colour of his skin, and deciding that he's with the terrorists.
I'm not. He was stupid. Many people being stupid in such situations haven't had the luxury of a second chance. Stupid Stupid Stupid.
He was a kid at the time. He was on holiday with his family.
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 12:20:38 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 12:12:25 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 10:45:23 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 09:14:47 AM
Who knew so many Northern GAA people supported the incarceration of the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four?
Thankfully the Halawa case has exposed these people's real views, given that there is essentially no difference between it and those cases.
Well thats your opinion, but plenty of people have a different opinion
They went to Egypt and willingly participated in an act of civil unrest against a military dictatorship.
Maybe they should watch a few episodes of Locked up Abroad before chosing the location of next years holiday
How interesting that you're defending the incarceration of an innocent Irish citizen.
We can all guess why that is.
He brought it on himself. If you think Im saying that because Im rascist, well thats your opinion and your perfectly entitled to it . This is a discussion board....thats what people do.....share opinions
Yes, I do.
Some opinions are best not shared, because they are idiotic, such as opinions which blame innocent victims for their own incarceration, and opinions which blame innocent victims for their own rape and murder.
We've now had both on this forum within a very short space of time.
Did you blame the Birmingham Six or the Guildford Four for their own incarceration, by any chance?
I suppose they "brought that on themselves" too?
Sure they were Irishmen in England while there was a bombing campaign going on. What did they expect? They went looking for trouble and got it.
Right?
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 12:20:38 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 12:12:25 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 10:45:23 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 09:14:47 AM
Who knew so many Northern GAA people supported the incarceration of the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four?
Thankfully the Halawa case has exposed these people's real views, given that there is essentially no difference between it and those cases.
Well thats your opinion, but plenty of people have a different opinion
They went to Egypt and willingly participated in an act of civil unrest against a military dictatorship.
Maybe they should watch a few episodes of Locked up Abroad before chosing the location of next years holiday
How interesting that you're defending the incarceration of an innocent Irish citizen.
We can all guess why that is.
He brought it on himself. If you think Im saying that because Im rascist, well thats your opinion and your perfectly entitled to it . This is a discussion board....thats what people do.....share opinions
She was wearing a short skirt. So she got raped.
He walked down the wrong street. So he got mugged.
She said something to provoke him. So she got murdered.
They brought it on themselves.
He went to an active war zone and participated in political demonstrations in spite of the fact hundreds of people had been killed by the army in the preceding 12 months
He ignored a warning from the Irish government not to travel
He brought it on himself and he deserved everything that happened to him (and more)
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
He went to an active war zone and participated in political demonstrations in spite of the fact hundreds of people had been killed by the army in the preceding 12 months
He ignored a warning from the Irish government not to travel
He brought it on himself and he deserved everything that happened to him (and more)
So anybody who went to Belfast or Derry in 1972 would have brought it on themselves had they been locked up for no reason by the Brits, or murdered, yes?
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 08:00:38 PM
So anybody who went to Belfast or Derry in 1972 would have brought it on themselves had they been locked up for no reason by the Brits, or murdered, yes?
That's different. Their skin is white and they have names that sound like my own. Stop playing the race card! Stop oppressing me!!!! Everybody's picking on me for being a racist and it's not fair!
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
He went to an active war zone and participated in political demonstrations in spite of the fact hundreds of people had been killed by the army in the preceding 12 months
He ignored a warning from the Irish government not to travel
He brought it on himself and he deserved everything that happened to him (and more)
So anybody who went to Belfast or Derry in 1972 would have brought it on themselves had they been locked up for no reason by the Brits, or murdered, yes?
I'd be very impressed if anyone travelled 3800 miles to protest in Derry in 1972. Do you know anyone who did so?
Ibraim Halawa was guilty. If you say he was a child then perhaps his parents should have been keeping a closer eye on him rather than let him go riot in a foreign country.
Or maybe I wasn't aware the irish population had a stake in the future of egypt. A little different to the northern situation no?
Quote from: foxcommander on October 25, 2017, 08:17:24 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
He went to an active war zone and participated in political demonstrations in spite of the fact hundreds of people had been killed by the army in the preceding 12 months
He ignored a warning from the Irish government not to travel
He brought it on himself and he deserved everything that happened to him (and more)
So anybody who went to Belfast or Derry in 1972 would have brought it on themselves had they been locked up for no reason by the Brits, or murdered, yes?
I'd be very impressed if anyone travelled 3800 miles to protest in Derry in 1972. Do you know anyone who did so?
Why would they have had to travel 3,800 miles?
They could have travelled 10 miles from Buncrana, and they'd have been entering a "war zone".
And according to the flawless logic of yourself and whitey, they'd have been to blame had they been locked up or shot.
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
He went to an active war zone and participated in political demonstrations in spite of the fact hundreds of people had been killed by the army in the preceding 12 months
He ignored a warning from the Irish government not to travel
He brought it on himself and he deserved everything that happened to him (and more)
So anybody who went to Belfast or Derry in 1972 would have brought it on themselves had they been locked up for no reason by the Brits, or murdered, yes?
If a citizen of a foreign country travelled 2500 miles to Derry on the passport of that foreign country blatantly ignoring dire warnings from their own government not to travel, I would also say that he/she brought it in themselves if they were lifted
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 08:20:55 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
He went to an active war zone and participated in political demonstrations in spite of the fact hundreds of people had been killed by the army in the preceding 12 months
He ignored a warning from the Irish government not to travel
He brought it on himself and he deserved everything that happened to him (and more)
So anybody who went to Belfast or Derry in 1972 would have brought it on themselves had they been locked up for no reason by the Brits, or murdered, yes?
If a citizen of a foreign country travelled 2500 miles to Derry on the passport of that foreign country blatantly ignoring warnings not to travel, I would also say that he/she brought it in themselves if they were lifted
This is interesting!
Apparently distance travelled is now a factor in whether somebody being locked up is justified or not!
I wasn't aware air travel had become a crime.
When did this happen, could you tell me?
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
He brought it on himself and he deserved everything that happened to him (and more)
What's "more"?
Torture? Rape? Death?
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 08:27:23 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 08:20:55 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
He went to an active war zone and participated in political demonstrations in spite of the fact hundreds of people had been killed by the army in the preceding 12 months
He ignored a warning from the Irish government not to travel
He brought it on himself and he deserved everything that happened to him (and more)
So anybody who went to Belfast or Derry in 1972 would have brought it on themselves had they been locked up for no reason by the Brits, or murdered, yes?
If a citizen of a foreign country travelled 2500 miles to Derry on the passport of that foreign country blatantly ignoring warnings not to travel, I would also say that he/she brought it in themselves if they were lifted
This is interesting!
Apparently distance travelled is now a factor in whether somebody being locked up is justified or not!
I wasn't aware air travel had become a crime.
When did this happen, could you tell me?
Distance travels implies intent.....ie they just didn't happen to accidentally stumble from Firhouse into Cairo (like they might have stumbled into Tallaght)
If I
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 08:33:17 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 08:27:23 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 08:20:55 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
He went to an active war zone and participated in political demonstrations in spite of the fact hundreds of people had been killed by the army in the preceding 12 months
He ignored a warning from the Irish government not to travel
He brought it on himself and he deserved everything that happened to him (and more)
So anybody who went to Belfast or Derry in 1972 would have brought it on themselves had they been locked up for no reason by the Brits, or murdered, yes?
If a citizen of a foreign country travelled 2500 miles to Derry on the passport of that foreign country blatantly ignoring warnings not to travel, I would also say that he/she brought it in themselves if they were lifted
This is interesting!
Apparently distance travelled is now a factor in whether somebody being locked up is justified or not!
I wasn't aware air travel had become a crime.
When did this happen, could you tell me?
Distance travels implies intent.....ie they just didn't happen to accidentally stumble from Firhouse into Cairo (like they might have stumbled into Tallaght)
If I
Distance travelled implies nothing except that you've travelled a distance and have probably been on an aeroplane.
I mean, Manuela Riedo travelled 1,000 miles from Switzerland a day or two before her death.
Presumably you think that implies intent to be raped and murdered.
The day before Ibrahim was arrested I posted this video in the "Middle East landscape rapidly changing" thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Mnm9neSLc&sns=tw
It showed in graphic and bloody detail the brutality been handed down by the military who had taken power in a coup.
The following day I was watching the news and details started to emerge about a group of people who were taking refuge
in a Mosque and were under attack from the military and their thugs. Live coverage started to come from the Mosque,
and it was Ibrahims sister giving a running commentary.
I posted about it at the time as it was unfolding here:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18356.510
Over the following days, weeks months and then years, I followed his case. It was a horrible case, and at one stage he went
on hunger strike to protest his innocence. Then thankfully yesterday he finally arrived home to a fantastic reception.
He was a 17 year old lad when arrested, and is now a 21 year old man with 4 brutal years in a hell hole to deal with.
He never should have been arrested and held as long as he was, but thanks to a lot of hard work by many, he is now free,
and as innocent as the day he was arrested.
The comments on here and in many social media posts over the past couple of weeks since it was announced he was to be freed
are disgusting. Ibrahim was born in Ireland and he is as Irish as anyone else born here. Yet, due to his colour and faith,
people fail to see him as Irish. Have people forgotten how many innocent Irish people were imprisoned because of their nationality or religion? Has the cow forgotten it was a calf?
One thing is for sure, Racism is alive, well, and thriving here in many guises. The remarks about Ibrahim confirm this.
Those who say he never should have been there and he never should have been protesting, are the same people who do nothing when they see injustice. They sit in the comfort of their homes and all they can do is criticise those who take a stand. Ibrahim and his sisters have more courage in their little fingers than those who have been criticising them.
I followed closely what was going on in Egypt at that time, and I for one am very proud of my Irish brother and sisters who
took a peaceful stand against not only a brutal dictator, but against all the other state actors who backed Sisi and his bloody coup.
Welcome home Ibrahim, and may you recover in time from your horrific ordeal.
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 08:38:22 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 08:33:17 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 08:27:23 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 08:20:55 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
He went to an active war zone and participated in political demonstrations in spite of the fact hundreds of people had been killed by the army in the preceding 12 months
He ignored a warning from the Irish government not to travel
He brought it on himself and he deserved everything that happened to him (and more)
So anybody who went to Belfast or Derry in 1972 would have brought it on themselves had they been locked up for no reason by the Brits, or murdered, yes?
If a citizen of a foreign country travelled 2500 miles to Derry on the passport of that foreign country blatantly ignoring warnings not to travel, I would also say that he/she brought it in themselves if they were lifted
This is interesting!
Apparently distance travelled is now a factor in whether somebody being locked up is justified or not!
I wasn't aware air travel had become a crime.
When did this happen, could you tell me?
Distance travels implies intent.....ie they just didn't happen to accidentally stumble from Firhouse into Cairo (like they might have stumbled into Tallaght)
If I
Distance travelled implies nothing except that you've travelled a distance and have probably been on an aeroplane.
I mean, Manuela Riedo travelled 1,000 miles from Switzerland a day or two before her death.
Presumably you think that implies intent to be raped and murdered.
The false narrative you're pushing us that somehow an innocent holidaymaker accidentally got caught up in a situation not if their making. In my opinion that's simply untrue. He knew exactly where he was going and what he was going to do once he got there. He ignored warnings issued by his own government and for all intents and purposes entered a war zone
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 08:29:27 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
He brought it on himself and he deserved everything that happened to him (and more)
What's "more"?
Torture? Rape? Death?
He was already beaten in prison. And he coulda faced the death penalty.
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 09:27:06 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 08:38:22 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 08:33:17 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 08:27:23 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 08:20:55 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 25, 2017, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
He went to an active war zone and participated in political demonstrations in spite of the fact hundreds of people had been killed by the army in the preceding 12 months
He ignored a warning from the Irish government not to travel
He brought it on himself and he deserved everything that happened to him (and more)
So anybody who went to Belfast or Derry in 1972 would have brought it on themselves had they been locked up for no reason by the Brits, or murdered, yes?
If a citizen of a foreign country travelled 2500 miles to Derry on the passport of that foreign country blatantly ignoring warnings not to travel, I would also say that he/she brought it in themselves if they were lifted
This is interesting!
Apparently distance travelled is now a factor in whether somebody being locked up is justified or not!
I wasn't aware air travel had become a crime.
When did this happen, could you tell me?
Distance travels implies intent.....ie they just didn't happen to accidentally stumble from Firhouse into Cairo (like they might have stumbled into Tallaght)
If I
Distance travelled implies nothing except that you've travelled a distance and have probably been on an aeroplane.
I mean, Manuela Riedo travelled 1,000 miles from Switzerland a day or two before her death.
Presumably you think that implies intent to be raped and murdered.
The false narrative you're pushing us that somehow an innocent holidaymaker accidentally got caught up in a situation not if their making. In my opinion that's simply untrue. He knew exactly where he was going and what he was going to do once he got there. He ignored warnings issued by his own government and for all intents and purposes entered a war zone
I'm not pushing any false narrative, you are.
The fact is that an entirely innocent Irish minor, now a man, was unjustly incarcerated for over four years.
It's cut and dried.
Yet you are performing any amount of mental gymnastics to justify his incarceration, torture and potential death sentence. You say "he brought it on himself" and "deserved everything he got and more".
Again, it's pretty obvious to rational people why you're doing that.
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 09:27:06 PM
The false narrative you're pushing us that somehow an innocent holidaymaker accidentally got caught up in a situation not if their making. In my opinion that's simply untrue. He knew exactly where he was going and what he was going to do once he got there. He ignored warnings issued by his own government and for all intents and purposes entered a war zone
Why do you think it's untrue? What do you know that the court did not? The court in Egypt thought he was innocent but the court of your racist imagination thinks he's guilty. You expect us to believe that it's got nothing to do with race?
Where did I ever state he was guilty of anything
I stated that he only had himself to blame for getting lifted and thrown in the slammer.
Of course the charges were trumped up.... it's a military dictatorship... that's why you don't let your children go on "holidays" to such places
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 10:08:01 PM
Where did I ever state he was guilty of anything
Around here:
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 09:27:06 PM
The false narrative you're pushing us that somehow an innocent holidaymaker accidentally got caught up in a situation not if their making. In my opinion that's simply untrue.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 25, 2017, 10:44:27 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 10:08:01 PM
Where did I ever state he was guilty of anything
Around here:
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 09:27:06 PM
The false narrative you're pushing us that somehow an innocent holidaymaker accidentally got caught up in a situation not if their making. In my opinion that's simply untrue.
I'll repeat the question as you seem to be having some difficulties
Where did I ever say he was guilty of what he was charged with?
This is what you said. "The court in Egypt thought he was innocent but the court of your racist imagination thinks he's guilty"
Again please point out where I used the word guilty as it pertains to his trial....I'll retract that statement in a heartbeat.
(If I'm watching the Super Bowl and the Patriots win and all hell breaks loose with people rioting in Downtonw Boston, the cops will interrupt live TV programming. They will advise people to avoid downtown and Kenmore, but let's say I decide to go on down there anyway for a bit of craic....I can expect 3 potential outcomes.(1) Nothing (2) I'll get pepper sprayed (3) If I'm in the wrong place at the wrong time I'll get lifted and charged whether I've done anything wrong or not. Ignore warnings like this at your peril. He and his sisters made a conscious decision to put themselves in an extremely dangerous situation and I don't have an ounce of sympathy for them)
Put those goalposts back where you got them. We all know what you meant.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 25, 2017, 11:57:25 PM
Put those goalposts back where you got them. We all know what you meant.
Haha. So you can't find anywhere I said he was guilty of what he was charged
Next time you start a thread maybe you should put an asterisk in the title and say that you only welcome comments and opinions that are similar to your own
As soon as someone disagrees with you they are a rascist......oldest trick in the book when you are made uncomfortable by some truths that undermine your viewpoint
Quote from: whitey on October 26, 2017, 12:03:46 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 25, 2017, 11:57:25 PM
Put those goalposts back where you got them. We all know what you meant.
Haha. So you can't find anywhere I said he was guilty of what he was charged
Want me to re-post what you said? Don't have me to do it.
Quote
As soon as someone disagrees with you they are a rascist......oldest trick in the book when you are made uncomfortable by some truths that undermine your viewpoint
Ah, the old "you're calling me a racist because I disagree with you" trope.
No.
I'm calling you a racist because you're a racist. If you don't want to be called a racist then stop being a racist. Don't come crying to me like a wounded puppy when you get called out on your contemptible prejudice.
And since you're undoubtedly going to deny saying you thought he was guilty, here again is what you said:
QuoteThe false narrative you're pushing us that somehow an innocent holidaymaker accidentally got caught up in a situation not if their making. In my opinion that's simply untrue.
You also said this:
QuoteWhat does that have to do with his decision to take part in a revolt in a foreign country and subsequent jailing?
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 10:45:23 AM
They went to Egypt and willingly participated in an act of civil unrest against a military dictatorship.
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 03:52:38 PM
Once there, he placed himself in even greater peril by partaking in political demonstrations.
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
He went to an active war zone and participated in political demonstrations in spite of the fact hundreds of people had been killed by the army in the preceding 12 months
He ignored a warning from the Irish government not to travel
He brought it on himself and he deserved everything that happened to him (and more)
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 10:08:01 PM
Where did I ever state he was guilty of anything
You're now saying he was guilty of nothing?
Earlier on you said:
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
He brought it on himself and he deserved everything that happened to him (and more)
What a weird attitude to justice you have.
But sure that figures.
It's painful to watch, isn't it?
And I stand by everyone of these statements
Here's what he was charged with (and correct me if I'm wrong)
"He was charged with murder, arson and illegal possession of weapons and put on trial alongside nearly 500 other people."
I never ever said he was guilty of any of the crimes with which he was charged because I knew they were trumped up bullshit
He was solely responsible for putting himself in a position to get lifted and jailed and I have zero sympathy for him.....end of
Maybe he can bring us back a stick of rock next time he goes in holidays
How to move goalposts:
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 11:22:41 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 25, 2017, 10:44:27 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 25, 2017, 10:08:01 PM
Where did I ever state he was guilty of anything
I'll repeat the question as you seem to be having some difficulties
Where did I ever say he was guilty of what he was charged with?
"Where did I ever state he was guilty of anything"
and
"Where did I ever say he was guilty of what he was charged with?"
look like two different questions to me, so how this can be deemed "repeating the question" I do not know.
Since Whitey can't stick to the same question when cornered, we have to assume that he thinks this kid deserved to be arrested and put in jail (yes, he actually used the word "deserved"), which means Whitey thinks he was guilty of the offences. The fact that the court acquitted him makes no difference to Whitey. As far as he's concerned, he made an unwise decision to travel to a potentially dangerous place, ergo he's guilty as charged and no amount of deliberation by the courts in Egypt is going to change his mind. Kinda like London cab driver logic as applied to the Birmingham Six case. "They got arrested, so they must 'ave done it. Stands to reason, dosnit guv?"
It's okay Whitey, you don't have to embarrass yourself any longer. Just concede the point and be done with it, we won't think any less of you. We all make a pig's ear of things from time to time.
HHaha....you're the one who's changing the question
We (or at least I ) were never discussing his trial and the charges.....we were discussing the circumstances that led his him being arrested charged and incarcerated. Ie traveling to a war zone, taking part in political protests and ignoring dire warnings from his own government not to travel
I stand by my statement that he and he alone put himself in harms way....he is not a victim. He fvcked up and paid a very heavy price
Quote from: whitey on October 26, 2017, 01:21:27 AM
HHaha....you're the one who's changing the question
We (or at least I ) were never discussing his trial and the charges.....we were discussing the circumstances that led his him being arrested charged and incarcerated. Ie traveling to a war zone, taking part in political protests and ignoring dire warnings from his own government not to travel
I stand by my statement that he and he alone put himself in harms way....he is not a victim. He fvcked up and paid a very heavy price
Of course he's a victim. He spent 4 years in a shit hole prison for no reason. He didn't commit a crime for heavens sake. Absolutely crazy and at times disgusting comments in my opinion.
Quote from: give her dixie on October 25, 2017, 08:57:38 PM
The day before Ibrahim was arrested I posted this video in the "Middle East landscape rapidly changing" thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Mnm9neSLc&sns=tw
It showed in graphic and bloody detail the brutality been handed down by the military who had taken power in a coup.
The following day I was watching the news and details started to emerge about a group of people who were taking refuge
in a Mosque and were under attack from the military and their thugs. Live coverage started to come from the Mosque,
and it was Ibrahims sister giving a running commentary.
I posted about it at the time as it was unfolding here:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18356.510
Over the following days, weeks months and then years, I followed his case. It was a horrible case, and at one stage he went
on hunger strike to protest his innocence. Then thankfully yesterday he finally arrived home to a fantastic reception.
He was a 17 year old lad when arrested, and is now a 21 year old man with 4 brutal years in a hell hole to deal with.
He never should have been arrested and held as long as he was, but thanks to a lot of hard work by many, he is now free,
and as innocent as the day he was arrested.
The comments on here and in many social media posts over the past couple of weeks since it was announced he was to be freed
are disgusting. Ibrahim was born in Ireland and he is as Irish as anyone else born here. Yet, due to his colour and faith,
people fail to see him as Irish. Have people forgotten how many innocent Irish people were imprisoned because of their nationality or religion? Has the cow forgotten it was a calf?
One thing is for sure, Racism is alive, well, and thriving here in many guises. The remarks about Ibrahim confirm this.
Those who say he never should have been there and he never should have been protesting, are the same people who do nothing when they see injustice. They sit in the comfort of their homes and all they can do is criticise those who take a stand. Ibrahim and his sisters have more courage in their little fingers than those who have been criticising them.
I followed closely what was going on in Egypt at that time, and I for one am very proud of my Irish brother and sisters who
took a peaceful stand against not only a brutal dictator, but against all the other state actors who backed Sisi and his bloody coup.
Welcome home Ibrahim, and may you recover in time from your horrific ordeal.
Good post GHD.
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 27, 2017, 12:25:44 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on October 25, 2017, 08:57:38 PM
The day before Ibrahim was arrested I posted this video in the "Middle East landscape rapidly changing" thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Mnm9neSLc&sns=tw
It showed in graphic and bloody detail the brutality been handed down by the military who had taken power in a coup.
The following day I was watching the news and details started to emerge about a group of people who were taking refuge
in a Mosque and were under attack from the military and their thugs. Live coverage started to come from the Mosque,
and it was Ibrahims sister giving a running commentary.
I posted about it at the time as it was unfolding here:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18356.510
Over the following days, weeks months and then years, I followed his case. It was a horrible case, and at one stage he went
on hunger strike to protest his innocence. Then thankfully yesterday he finally arrived home to a fantastic reception.
He was a 17 year old lad when arrested, and is now a 21 year old man with 4 brutal years in a hell hole to deal with.
He never should have been arrested and held as long as he was, but thanks to a lot of hard work by many, he is now free,
and as innocent as the day he was arrested.
The comments on here and in many social media posts over the past couple of weeks since it was announced he was to be freed
are disgusting. Ibrahim was born in Ireland and he is as Irish as anyone else born here. Yet, due to his colour and faith,
people fail to see him as Irish. Have people forgotten how many innocent Irish people were imprisoned because of their nationality or religion? Has the cow forgotten it was a calf?
One thing is for sure, Racism is alive, well, and thriving here in many guises. The remarks about Ibrahim confirm this.
Those who say he never should have been there and he never should have been protesting, are the same people who do nothing when they see injustice. They sit in the comfort of their homes and all they can do is criticise those who take a stand. Ibrahim and his sisters have more courage in their little fingers than those who have been criticising them.
I followed closely what was going on in Egypt at that time, and I for one am very proud of my Irish brother and sisters who
took a peaceful stand against not only a brutal dictator, but against all the other state actors who backed Sisi and his bloody coup.
Welcome home Ibrahim, and may you recover in time from your horrific ordeal.
Good post GHD.
+1 Well said GHD.
We should order some full length mirrors for the board....so some posters can take a good long look at themselves.
Whatever about the facts of Halawa's case (although you know charges are trumped up if even a brutally repressive regime with no regard for the rule of law can't make them stick), the general tone of "F**k him, he deserved it, he should have know not to go" is depressing, nihilistic, ignorant and the exact opposite of the values you would hope citizens of a republic would espouse.
It is no wonder that democracy is in crisis all over the world with this cynicism.
There are serious questions to be asked of the Halawas. Mainstream Irish media and our political leaders aren't asking them, but when your objective is to be seen to be inclusive to Muslims rather than to look at the story objectively, the hard questions are best left alone. Mark Humphrys writes an excellent piece on it here.
http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.st.html
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 01:22:12 PM
There are serious questions to be asked of the Halawas. Mainstream Irish media and our political leaders aren't asking them, but when your objective is to be seen to be inclusive to Muslims rather than to look at the story objectively, the hard questions are best left alone. Mark Humphrys writes an excellent piece on it here.
http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.st.html
What an excellent piece.
It certainly destroys the notion they were holidaymakers.
When will the irish population wake up?
The Halawa family on Holiday in Cairo having "gone out for a choc ice" and accidentally ending up on stage speaking to 10,000 Islamists. "Sure, it could happen to anyone."
LOL
Quote from: foxcommander on October 27, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 01:22:12 PM
There are serious questions to be asked of the Halawas. Mainstream Irish media and our political leaders aren't asking them, but when your objective is to be seen to be inclusive to Muslims rather than to look at the story objectively, the hard questions are best left alone. Mark Humphrys writes an excellent piece on it here.
http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.st.html
What an excellent piece.
It certainly destroys the notion they were holidaymakers.
When will the irish population wake up?
That article is a load of tosh, anybody that considers the writer of such arrant nonsense to be a serious journalist needs their head examined.
Perhaps you'd like to go into a bit more depth on why it's a "load of tosh" there Keyser. Maybe you could break it down and disprove some of the links he's found between the Halawas and the Muslim Brotherhood. Or is it more of a vague, general sort of toshness that's difficult to define?
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 27, 2017, 12:25:44 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on October 25, 2017, 08:57:38 PM
The day before Ibrahim was arrested I posted this video in the "Middle East landscape rapidly changing" thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Mnm9neSLc&sns=tw
It showed in graphic and bloody detail the brutality been handed down by the military who had taken power in a coup.
The following day I was watching the news and details started to emerge about a group of people who were taking refuge
in a Mosque and were under attack from the military and their thugs. Live coverage started to come from the Mosque,
and it was Ibrahims sister giving a running commentary.
I posted about it at the time as it was unfolding here:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18356.510
Over the following days, weeks months and then years, I followed his case. It was a horrible case, and at one stage he went
on hunger strike to protest his innocence. Then thankfully yesterday he finally arrived home to a fantastic reception.
He was a 17 year old lad when arrested, and is now a 21 year old man with 4 brutal years in a hell hole to deal with.
He never should have been arrested and held as long as he was, but thanks to a lot of hard work by many, he is now free,
and as innocent as the day he was arrested.
The comments on here and in many social media posts over the past couple of weeks since it was announced he was to be freed
are disgusting. Ibrahim was born in Ireland and he is as Irish as anyone else born here. Yet, due to his colour and faith,
people fail to see him as Irish. Have people forgotten how many innocent Irish people were imprisoned because of their nationality or religion? Has the cow forgotten it was a calf?
One thing is for sure, Racism is alive, well, and thriving here in many guises. The remarks about Ibrahim confirm this.
Those who say he never should have been there and he never should have been protesting, are the same people who do nothing when they see injustice. They sit in the comfort of their homes and all they can do is criticise those who take a stand. Ibrahim and his sisters have more courage in their little fingers than those who have been criticising them.
I followed closely what was going on in Egypt at that time, and I for one am very proud of my Irish brother and sisters who
took a peaceful stand against not only a brutal dictator, but against all the other state actors who backed Sisi and his bloody coup.
Welcome home Ibrahim, and may you recover in time from your horrific ordeal.
Good post GHD.
Hear hear
I hate that this discussion has devolved into a parody of US politics.
Ibrahim is either absolved of all errors in judgement or agrivating circumstances and racism is used as a battering ram to describe both those who are racist and those who have genuine misgivings about the situation, or he is vilified as a radical. As always, the truth is far more murky than either side would ever admit.
Most of ye need to grow up and grow out of the entrenched left-right viewpoints, and the troll accounts still need to be banned.
Quote from: Syferus on October 27, 2017, 07:27:59 PM
I hate that this discussion has devolved into a parody of US politics.
Ibrahim is either absolved of all errors in judgement or agrivating circumstances and racism is used as a battering ram to describe both those who are racist and those who have genuine misgivings about the situation, or he is vilified as a radical. As always, the truth is far more murky than either side would ever admit.
Most of ye need to grow up and grow out of the entrenched left-right viewpoints, and the troll accounts still need to be banned.
I could not agree more.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 27, 2017, 08:10:29 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 27, 2017, 07:27:59 PM
I hate that this discussion has devolved into a parody of US politics.
Ibrahim is either absolved of all errors in judgement or agrivating circumstances and racism is used as a battering ram to describe both those who are racist and those who have genuine misgivings about the situation, or he is vilified as a radical. As always, the truth is far more murky than either side would ever admit.
Most of ye need to grow up and grow out of the entrenched left-right viewpoints, and the troll accounts still need to be banned.
I could not agree more.
So when you started the thread Eamonn were you wishing to discuss it just with with those people who already agreed with you, or were you interested in discussing it with people who held disparate opinions? From my vantage point you immediately branded anyone who didn't agree with your Disnified version of events as a rascist
I was lifting a rock to expose the ugly prejudices that always come up in this kind of discussion. My opponents are exactly who I wanted to discuss it with.
As for the troll who shall remain nameless, I stand by my position that he should be banned from this forum.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 27, 2017, 08:21:58 PM
I was lifting a rock to expose the ugly prejudices that always come up in this kind of discussion. My opponents are exactly who I wanted to discuss it with.
As for the troll who shall remain nameless, I stand by my position that he should be banned from this forum.
Would that not fall under the banned behavior of shit stirring?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 27, 2017, 08:21:58 PM
I was lifting a rock to expose the ugly prejudices that always come up in this kind of discussion. My opponents are exactly who I wanted to discuss it with.
As for the troll who shall remain nameless, I stand by my position that he should be banned from this forum.
You keep bringing prejudice and trolling into it Eamon without addressing the reasonable questions wrt the Halawa family's seemingly strong links with radical, political Islam. I know it might be difficult, for someone as tolerant of other races and cultures as you are, but maybe you could take a break from calling people racists for long enough to explain away those links as raised in the article above. I don't have any strong feelings for or against Halawa but there are questions there that are being ignored by our leaders and media.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 27, 2017, 08:21:58 PM
I was lifting a rock to expose the ugly prejudices that always come up in this kind of discussion. My opponents are exactly who I wanted to discuss it with.
As for the troll who shall remain nameless, I stand by my position that he should be banned from this forum.
Run away crying to the moderator like you did the last time then.
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 27, 2017, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 27, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 01:22:12 PM
There are serious questions to be asked of the Halawas. Mainstream Irish media and our political leaders aren't asking them, but when your objective is to be seen to be inclusive to Muslims rather than to look at the story objectively, the hard questions are best left alone. Mark Humphrys writes an excellent piece on it here.
http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.st.html
What an excellent piece.
It certainly destroys the notion they were holidaymakers.
When will the irish population wake up?
That article is a load of tosh, anybody that considers the writer of such arrant nonsense to be a serious journalist needs their head examined.
There's a reason Mark Humphrys doesn't get printed anywhere outside of his own blog. It's because he's a looney. Tom Humphries would be a more credible source on Middle Eastern affairs.
The facts of this case are cut and dried.
Ibrahim Halawa is innocent. That really bugs a lot of people to whom facts are impervious.
Quote from: sid waddell on October 27, 2017, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 27, 2017, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 27, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 01:22:12 PM
There are serious questions to be asked of the Halawas. Mainstream Irish media and our political leaders aren't asking them, but when your objective is to be seen to be inclusive to Muslims rather than to look at the story objectively, the hard questions are best left alone. Mark Humphrys writes an excellent piece on it here.
http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.st.html
What an excellent piece.
It certainly destroys the notion they were holidaymakers.
When will the irish population wake up?
That article is a load of tosh, anybody that considers the writer of such arrant nonsense to be a serious journalist needs their head examined.
There's a reason Mark Humphrys doesn't get printed anywhere outside of his own blog. It's because he's a looney. Tom Humphries would be a more credible source on Middle Eastern affairs.
The facts of this case are cut and dried.
Ibrahim Halawa is innocent. That really bugs a lot of people to whom facts are impervious.
Bullshit, you assume he is innocent, want him to be innocent and pawn him off as innocent, a lot of people think him guilty, I am not sure either way so for me he is innocent at this juncture.
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Quote from: sid waddell on October 27, 2017, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 27, 2017, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 27, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 01:22:12 PM
There are serious questions to be asked of the Halawas. Mainstream Irish media and our political leaders aren't asking them, but when your objective is to be seen to be inclusive to Muslims rather than to look at the story objectively, the hard questions are best left alone. Mark Humphrys writes an excellent piece on it here.
http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.st.html
What an excellent piece.
It certainly destroys the notion they were holidaymakers.
When will the irish population wake up?
That article is a load of tosh, anybody that considers the writer of such arrant nonsense to be a serious journalist needs their head examined.
There's a reason Mark Humphrys doesn't get printed anywhere outside of his own blog. It's because he's a looney. Tom Humphries would be a more credible source on Middle Eastern affairs.
The facts of this case are cut and dried.
Ibrahim Halawa is innocent. That really bugs a lot of people to whom facts are impervious.
Bullshit, you assume he is innocent, want him to be innocent and pawn him off as innocent, a lot of people think him guilty, I am not sure either way so for me he is innocent at this juncture.
A lot of people thought that the Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four were guilty.
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 03:53:01 PM
Perhaps you'd like to go into a bit more depth on why it's a "load of tosh" there Keyser. Maybe you could break it down and disprove some of the links he's found between the Halawas and the Muslim Brotherhood. Or is it more of a vague, general sort of toshness that's difficult to define?
Give me a reputable source who makes such claims and I'll be happy to deal with it. I don't have all day to sit around refuting every lunatic right wing blogger. What's it going to be next? Asking me to prove Alex Jones wrong in one of his
infomercials rants?
Quote from: sid waddell on October 27, 2017, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 27, 2017, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 27, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 01:22:12 PM
There are serious questions to be asked of the Halawas. Mainstream Irish media and our political leaders aren't asking them, but when your objective is to be seen to be inclusive to Muslims rather than to look at the story objectively, the hard questions are best left alone. Mark Humphrys writes an excellent piece on it here.
http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.st.html
What an excellent piece.
It certainly destroys the notion they were holidaymakers.
When will the irish population wake up?
That article is a load of tosh, anybody that considers the writer of such arrant nonsense to be a serious journalist needs their head examined.
There's a reason Mark Humphrys doesn't get printed anywhere outside of his own blog. It's because he's a looney. Tom Humphries would be a more credible source on Middle Eastern affairs.
The facts of this case are cut and dried.
Ibrahim Halawa is innocent. That really bugs a lot of people to whom facts are impervious.
Innocent of what?
He is absolutely Innocent when it comes to the trumped up charges that were levied against him.
But was he an innocent victim of circumstances beyond his control when he got lifted, or did he act foolishly arrogantly and recklessly by putting himself in that position to begin with?
Quote from: whitey on October 27, 2017, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 27, 2017, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 27, 2017, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 27, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 01:22:12 PM
There are serious questions to be asked of the Halawas. Mainstream Irish media and our political leaders aren't asking them, but when your objective is to be seen to be inclusive to Muslims rather than to look at the story objectively, the hard questions are best left alone. Mark Humphrys writes an excellent piece on it here.
http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.st.html
What an excellent piece.
It certainly destroys the notion they were holidaymakers.
When will the irish population wake up?
That article is a load of tosh, anybody that considers the writer of such arrant nonsense to be a serious journalist needs their head examined.
There's a reason Mark Humphrys doesn't get printed anywhere outside of his own blog. It's because he's a looney. Tom Humphries would be a more credible source on Middle Eastern affairs.
The facts of this case are cut and dried.
Ibrahim Halawa is innocent. That really bugs a lot of people to whom facts are impervious.
Innocent of what?
He is absolutely Innocent when it comes to the trumped up charges that were levied against him.
But was he an innocent victim of circumstances beyond his control when he got lifted, or did he act foolishly arrogantly and recklessly by putting himself in that position to begin with?
You answered your own question there.
That he is innocent didn't stop you wanting to see him continue to be held in prison and tortured, possibly face the death penalty, and "more" (your word).
Again, you have a really, really messed up attitude to justice.
Quote from: sid waddell on October 27, 2017, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 27, 2017, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 27, 2017, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 27, 2017, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 27, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 01:22:12 PM
There are serious questions to be asked of the Halawas. Mainstream Irish media and our political leaders aren't asking them, but when your objective is to be seen to be inclusive to Muslims rather than to look at the story objectively, the hard questions are best left alone. Mark Humphrys writes an excellent piece on it here.
http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.st.html
What an excellent piece.
It certainly destroys the notion they were holidaymakers.
When will the irish population wake up?
That article is a load of tosh, anybody that considers the writer of such arrant nonsense to be a serious journalist needs their head examined.
There's a reason Mark Humphrys doesn't get printed anywhere outside of his own blog. It's because he's a looney. Tom Humphries would be a more credible source on Middle Eastern affairs.
The facts of this case are cut and dried.
Ibrahim Halawa is innocent. That really bugs a lot of people to whom facts are impervious.
Innocent of what?
He is absolutely Innocent when it comes to the trumped up charges that were levied against him.
But was he an innocent victim of circumstances beyond his control when he got lifted, or did he act foolishly arrogantly and recklessly by putting himself in that position to begin with?
You answered your own question there.
That he is innocent didn't stop you wanting to see him continue to be held in prison and tortured, possibly face the death penalty, and "more" (your word).
Again, you have a really, really messed up attitude to justice.
So why are the apologists on here continuing with the "poor child on holidays with his family" shtick, when that is clearly not the case.
He was an agitator for a radical Islamist group who travelled 2700 miles, to participate in a "Day of Rage" against a murderous military dictatorship
Quote from: whitey on October 27, 2017, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 27, 2017, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 27, 2017, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 27, 2017, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 27, 2017, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 27, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 01:22:12 PM
There are serious questions to be asked of the Halawas. Mainstream Irish media and our political leaders aren't asking them, but when your objective is to be seen to be inclusive to Muslims rather than to look at the story objectively, the hard questions are best left alone. Mark Humphrys writes an excellent piece on it here.
http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.st.html
What an excellent piece.
It certainly destroys the notion they were holidaymakers.
When will the irish population wake up?
That article is a load of tosh, anybody that considers the writer of such arrant nonsense to be a serious journalist needs their head examined.
There's a reason Mark Humphrys doesn't get printed anywhere outside of his own blog. It's because he's a looney. Tom Humphries would be a more credible source on Middle Eastern affairs.
The facts of this case are cut and dried.
Ibrahim Halawa is innocent. That really bugs a lot of people to whom facts are impervious.
Innocent of what?
He is absolutely Innocent when it comes to the trumped up charges that were levied against him.
But was he an innocent victim of circumstances beyond his control when he got lifted, or did he act foolishly arrogantly and recklessly by putting himself in that position to begin with?
You answered your own question there.
That he is innocent didn't stop you wanting to see him continue to be held in prison and tortured, possibly face the death penalty, and "more" (your word).
Again, you have a really, really messed up attitude to justice.
So why are the apologists on here continuing with the "poor child on holidays with his family" shtick, when that is clearly not the case.
He was an agitator for a radical Islamist group who travelled 2700 miles, to participate in a "Day of Rage" against a murderous military dictatorship
Why are you continuing to dispute an innocent man's innocence?
Is it because you hate Muslims?
That is the strong impression one gets.
I already said he was innocent of the charges, but can you admit he was not an innocent bystander?
Was he innocent or not? Make up your mind.
Reading comment on here and on other sites from Irish and Irish Americans, i'm reminded of what Bernadette Devlin had to say when she visited the USA in her early years.
"My people'—the people who knew about oppression, discrimination, prejudice, poverty and the frustration and despair that they produce– were not Irish Americans. They were black, Puerto Ricans, Chicanos. And those who were supposed to be 'my people', the Irish Americans who knew about English misrule and the Famine and supported the civil rights movement at home, and knew that Partition and England were the cause of the problem, looked and sounded to me like Orangemen. They said exactly the same things about blacks that the loyalists said about us at home. In New York I was given the key to the city by the mayor, an honor not to be sneezed at. I gave it to the Black Panthers." –Bernadette Devlin.
He was innocent of what he was charged with, but he himself is solely responsible for the sequence of events which led to his arrest and imprisonment.
Why do his supporters, yourself included, continue to spin a false narrative regarding the events leading up to him getting lifted. Just admit he fvcked up and move on
"Imagine going on a family holiday as a 17 year-old only to be arrested"
Quote from: give her dixie on October 28, 2017, 12:36:48 AM
Reading comment on here and on other sites from Irish and Irish Americans, i'm reminded of what Bernadette Devlin had to say when she visited the USA in her early years.
"My people'—the people who knew about oppression, discrimination, prejudice, poverty and the frustration and despair that they produce– were not Irish Americans. They were black, Puerto Ricans, Chicanos. And those who were supposed to be 'my people', the Irish Americans who knew about English misrule and the Famine and supported the civil rights movement at home, and knew that Partition and England were the cause of the problem, looked and sounded to me like Orangemen. They said exactly the same things about blacks that the loyalists said about us at home. In New York I was given the key to the city by the mayor, an honor not to be sneezed at. I gave it to the Black Panthers." –Bernadette Devlin.
I take it she advocated for the IRA returning all guns and cash they received from such despicable bigots during the Troubles
Quote from: whitey on October 28, 2017, 12:39:01 AM
Quote from: give her dixie on October 28, 2017, 12:36:48 AM
Reading comment on here and on other sites from Irish and Irish Americans, i'm reminded of what Bernadette Devlin had to say when she visited the USA in her early years.
"My people'—the people who knew about oppression, discrimination, prejudice, poverty and the frustration and despair that they produce– were not Irish Americans. They were black, Puerto Ricans, Chicanos. And those who were supposed to be 'my people', the Irish Americans who knew about English misrule and the Famine and supported the civil rights movement at home, and knew that Partition and England were the cause of the problem, looked and sounded to me like Orangemen. They said exactly the same things about blacks that the loyalists said about us at home. In New York I was given the key to the city by the mayor, an honor not to be sneezed at. I gave it to the Black Panthers." –Bernadette Devlin.
I take it she advocated for the IRA returning all guns and cash they received from such despicable bigots during the Troubles
'Fidel Castro in a miniskirt': Bernadette Devlin's first US tourThe tour was organised by the unlikely team of physical-force Irish-American republicans and Brian Heron, leader of the newly formed National Association for Irish Justice. An experienced left-wing political organiser, Heron was tolerated by the politically conservative republicans because he happened to be the grandson of James Connolly. Heron tolerated the republicans because their goal of establishing a fighting fund overlapped with his own. On the surface, Devlin and Heron should have gotten on famously, but Devlin was collecting donations for relief, not arms. For Heron the days of stones and petrol bombs were over.
Devlin swept through New York escorted by a police force wilfully ignorant of her revolutionary rhetoric. She took part in Meet the Press and the Johnny Carson Show. Mayor Lindsay gave her the key to the city of New York, she met with U Thant of the United Nations, and she was showered with cash the entire time.
As the tour progressed, Devlin began to pick up distinctly orange tones in the green rhetoric of the organisers. She marvelled at how the Irish in America failed to draw the obvious parallel between themselves and American blacks. In Philadelphia she danced with a black tenor on stage, asked him to sing the American civil rights anthem, 'We shall overcome', and shamed the audience into standing for him. The dignitaries, clergy and Hibernians, however, remained stuck to their seats. Then the unthinkable happened. She visited Operation Bootstrap, a manufacturing venture run by members of the Black Power movement. Despite warnings, Devlin continued her assault on Irish America's racism, and reports of it tore through the newswires.
On her way back to the East Coast she stopped in Detroit and refused to speak until the black people waiting outside were admitted. While there, Chicago activists warned the tour organisers that if she visited Jesse Jackson's Operation Breadbasket she would face consequences. Though the message had the desired effect, Devlin acquired a new target. She hurled the words 'corrupt' and 'RUC' across the pages of the local papers at a hugely popular Mayor Daley and his police. He cancelled her appearance. The two Unionist Party representatives sent to neutralise her tour could not have been more delighted. Almost the instant their toes hit the tarmac they happily clucked that Devlin was nothing less than 'Fidel Castro in a miniskirt' and sang a gleeful chorus of 'We told you so'.
Devlin's relationship with much of Irish America was in tatters by the end of the tour, as was her rapport with Heron and the republicans. At one of the last events she overheard an organiser tell Heron, 'Never mind, play her along. We've got the money and that's all that matters'. Immediately she rang Frank Gogarty, chair of the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association, and demanded that he fly to America. Upon arriving, Gogarty announced that while he endorsed Devlin's tour, he had come to raise money for arms. Devlin wasted no time in booking the next flight home.
Back in Ireland, Eamonn McCann admonished her for accepting the key to New York from Mayor John Lindsay, an American Republican famed for his mismanagement of the city. She responded by sending the key to New York with McCann, who was on his way to America to do his own speaking tour. McCann presented it to Robert Bay of the Black Panthers 'as a gesture of solidarity with the black liberation and revolutionary socialist movements in America'. He read out her message: 'I return what is rightfully theirs, this symbol of the freedom of New York'. But contrary to what she may have hoped, it did very little to shore up her credibility among her colleagues in Northern Ireland. Charles Whelan, Irish consul general in New York, sent a memorandum to the Department of External Affairs: 'the fact that Bernadette Devlin is personally associated with this gesture . . . will make it far more difficult for any civil rights supporter from the Six Counties to obtain assistance, financial or otherwise'. This was an understatement.
A few days later, when Devlin wrote to New York's St Patrick's Day parade committee with the ludicrous offer to march under certain conditions, the Daily News reported that Devlin would not be welcome under any circumstances. At meetings of the Ancient Order of Hibernians attacks on Devlin were greeted with cheers. Later, when questioned by Ivan Cooper, a moderate civil rights advocate from Northern Ireland, she exclaimed, 'Och, sure that was a joke!' But Irish America was not laughing. Predictably, the financial support for the Civil Rights movement dried up.
Bernadette Devlin's 1969 tour of America peeled back the layers of the radical rhetoric of Irish America to expose a conservative hegemony that was willing to embrace racist attitudes for its own advancement. While leaders in the community repeated charges of institutionalised discrimination against Northern Irish Catholics, their myopia eliminated the obvious analogy. Her tour also brought into sharper relief two competing wings of support for Northern Ireland. While they had forged a fragile coalition based on their support for militancy, they could not sustain it.
This tour had a profound impact on Bernadette Devlin's political development as well. She returned home to face jail time for her role in the 'Battle of the Bogside' and to discover that many of her colleagues had moved on and left her reputation in their wake. Their public attacks mischaracterised her motives in Derry and the US as self-glorifying bids for stardom rather than the ill-fated attempts at political leadership that they were. The key incident, though extraordinarily imaginative, signalled the final gasp of breath for Irish America's support for much of the Northern Irish Civil Rights leadership.
Was she just a puppet? If we indict her for not asking enough questions, we must also hold the tour organisers accountable for manipulating both Devlin and her audience. Was she wrong to scorn Irish America's help in the end? Though she could have done little else but flee the tour, the key incident reveals just how much she still had to learn. Bernadette Devlin's political growth paralleled the increasing complexity of the unfolding crisis in Northern Ireland. This tour, though ill-fated, taught all involved valuable lessons in the politics of politics. Her speeches held a mirror up to America and dared it to make sense of its own reflection. The aftermath of the tour heralded a new era of Irish-American support for Catholics in Northern Ireland, one that reinforced physical-force republicanism as the central ideology. A year later Bernadette Devlin would return to the US, the same tenacious young politician she had been, but this time she would make the rules
http://www.historyireland.com/20th-century-contemporary-history/fidel-castro-in-a-miniskirt-bernadette-devlins-first-us-tour/
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 28, 2017, 12:25:56 AM
Was he innocent or not? Make up your mind.
Whitey made up his mind a long time ago.
We all know why that is.
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 28, 2017, 12:25:56 AM
Was he innocent or not? Make up your mind.
Whitey made up his mind a long time ago.
We all know why that is.
That's your opinion....which you're perfectly entitled to
Quote from: whitey on October 27, 2017, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 27, 2017, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 27, 2017, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 27, 2017, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 27, 2017, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 27, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 01:22:12 PM
There are serious questions to be asked of the Halawas. Mainstream Irish media and our political leaders aren't asking them, but when your objective is to be seen to be inclusive to Muslims rather than to look at the story objectively, the hard questions are best left alone. Mark Humphrys writes an excellent piece on it here.
http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.st.html
What an excellent piece.
It certainly destroys the notion they were holidaymakers.
When will the irish population wake up?
That article is a load of tosh, anybody that considers the writer of such arrant nonsense to be a serious journalist needs their head examined.
There's a reason Mark Humphrys doesn't get printed anywhere outside of his own blog. It's because he's a looney. Tom Humphries would be a more credible source on Middle Eastern affairs.
The facts of this case are cut and dried.
Ibrahim Halawa is innocent. That really bugs a lot of people to whom facts are impervious.
Innocent of what?
He is absolutely Innocent when it comes to the trumped up charges that were levied against him.
But was he an innocent victim of circumstances beyond his control when he got lifted, or did he act foolishly arrogantly and recklessly by putting himself in that position to begin with?
You answered your own question there.
That he is innocent didn't stop you wanting to see him continue to be held in prison and tortured, possibly face the death penalty, and "more" (your word).
Again, you have a really, really messed up attitude to justice.
So why are the apologists on here continuing with the "poor child on holidays with his family" shtick, when that is clearly not the case.
He was an agitator for a radical Islamist group who travelled 2700 miles, to participate in a "Day of Rage" against a murderous military dictatorship
An agitator against an illegal military coup against a democratically elected radical Islamist group
Quote from: macdanger2 on October 28, 2017, 01:40:20 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 27, 2017, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 27, 2017, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 27, 2017, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 27, 2017, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 27, 2017, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 27, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 01:22:12 PM
There are serious questions to be asked of the Halawas. Mainstream Irish media and our political leaders aren't asking them, but when your objective is to be seen to be inclusive to Muslims rather than to look at the story objectively, the hard questions are best left alone. Mark Humphrys writes an excellent piece on it here.
http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.st.html
What an excellent piece.
It certainly destroys the notion they were holidaymakers.
When will the irish population wake up?
That article is a load of tosh, anybody that considers the writer of such arrant nonsense to be a serious journalist needs their head examined.
There's a reason Mark Humphrys doesn't get printed anywhere outside of his own blog. It's because he's a looney. Tom Humphries would be a more credible source on Middle Eastern affairs.
The facts of this case are cut and dried.
Ibrahim Halawa is innocent. That really bugs a lot of people to whom facts are impervious.
Innocent of what?
He is absolutely Innocent when it comes to the trumped up charges that were levied against him.
But was he an innocent victim of circumstances beyond his control when he got lifted, or did he act foolishly arrogantly and recklessly by putting himself in that position to begin with?
You answered your own question there.
That he is innocent didn't stop you wanting to see him continue to be held in prison and tortured, possibly face the death penalty, and "more" (your word).
Again, you have a really, really messed up attitude to justice.
So why are the apologists on here continuing with the "poor child on holidays with his family" shtick, when that is clearly not the case.
He was an agitator for a radical Islamist group who travelled 2700 miles, to participate in a "Day of Rage" against a murderous military dictatorship
An agitator against an illegal military coup against a democratically elected radical Islamist group
So you have to ask yourself the question
if the Halawas, who are irish, are over in egypt agitating for radical islamic groups what is their goal for Ireland?
Support and build back up the Labour party?
For all those liberal PC folk who are advocates of LGBTQ rights, surely backing the Halawas is a massive conflict of your standpoint?
Quote from: foxcommander on October 28, 2017, 02:23:54 AM
For all those liberal PC folk who are advocates of LGBTQ rights, surely backing the Halawas is a massive conflict of your standpoint?
Shouldn't you be a supporter fundamentalist Islamism, such as that practised in Saudi Arabia, given that you agree with so much of it? ;D
Quelle ironie.
Quote from: sid waddell on October 28, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 28, 2017, 02:23:54 AM
For all those liberal PC folk who are advocates of LGBTQ rights, surely backing the Halawas is a massive conflict of your standpoint?
Shouldn't you be a supporter fundamentalist Islamism, such as that practised in Saudi Arabia, given that you agree with so much of it? ;D
Quelle ironie.
It's been bizarre watching Zappone in the middle of this, best buddies with the Halawas. If Hussein Halawa was a white, born and bred Irish man the liberal lynch mob would have torn him to shreds by now for his views on homosexuality.
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 28, 2017, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 28, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 28, 2017, 02:23:54 AM
For all those liberal PC folk who are advocates of LGBTQ rights, surely backing the Halawas is a massive conflict of your standpoint?
Shouldn't you be a supporter fundamentalist Islamism, such as that practised in Saudi Arabia, given that you agree with so much of it? ;D
Quelle ironie.
It's been bizarre watching Zappone in the middle of this, best buddies with the Halawas. If Hussein Halawa was a white, born and bred Irish man the liberal lynch mob would have torn him to shreds by now for his views on homosexuality.
So, what you're saying is that the Irish government should decide whether or not to use their influence to lobby for the freeing of an innocent Irish prisoner abroad, based on the prisoner's views on homosexuality*?
That, quite obviously, shouldn't matter a jot. It wouldn't matter if the prisoner believed all gay people should be burned at the stake. The Irish government should still be lobbying for their release.
*Which we don't actually know - you are ascribing those views to him, but whatever his views are, they are utterly irrelevant in the context of this case.
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 28, 2017, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 28, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 28, 2017, 02:23:54 AM
For all those liberal PC folk who are advocates of LGBTQ rights, surely backing the Halawas is a massive conflict of your standpoint?
Shouldn't you be a supporter fundamentalist Islamism, such as that practised in Saudi Arabia, given that you agree with so much of it? ;D
Quelle ironie.
It's been bizarre watching Zappone in the middle of this, best buddies with the Halawas. If Hussein Halawa was a white, born and bred Irish man the liberal lynch mob would have torn him to shreds by now for his views on homosexuality.
The thing about liberals is they need victims....otherwise theyd have fvck all to do
In this case Zappone can feel especially good about herself because at least on face value, the "victim" (who brought everything on himself) in question subscribes to an ideology that in anethma to all she stands for.
The Uber liberals in particular seem to have a need to "Johnny one up" each other in an effort to prove how truly wonderful and open minded they are.
Quote from: sid waddell on October 29, 2017, 01:33:19 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 28, 2017, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 28, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 28, 2017, 02:23:54 AM
For all those liberal PC folk who are advocates of LGBTQ rights, surely backing the Halawas is a massive conflict of your standpoint?
Shouldn't you be a supporter fundamentalist Islamism, such as that practised in Saudi Arabia, given that you agree with so much of it? ;D
Quelle ironie.
It's been bizarre watching Zappone in the middle of this, best buddies with the Halawas. If Hussein Halawa was a white, born and bred Irish man the liberal lynch mob would have torn him to shreds by now for his views on homosexuality.
So, what you're saying is that the Irish government should decide whether or not to use their influence to lobby for the freeing of an innocent Irish prisoner abroad, based on the prisoner's views on homosexuality*?
That, quite obviously, shouldn't matter a jot. It wouldn't matter if the prisoner believed all gay people should be burned at the stake. The Irish government should still be lobbying for their release.
*Which we don't actually know - you are ascribing those views to him, but whatever his views are, they are utterly irrelevant in the context of this case.
I did say Hussein Halawa, Ibrahim's father, who is on record as saying that homosexuality is "sinful" and has also been reported to have called it a disease and to support the death penalty for activist gays (people like Zappone). That's what makes it bizarre. I'm not ascribing anything to anyone. Please read more carefully.
Quote from: whitey on October 29, 2017, 01:40:04 AM
The thing about liberals is they need victims....otherwise theyd have fvck all to do
In this case Zappone can feel especially good about herself because at least on face value, the "victim" (who brought everything on himself) in question subscribes to an ideology that in anethma to all she stands for.
The Uber liberals in particular seem to have a need to "Johnny one up" each other in an effort to prove how truly wonderful and open minded they are.
I would say there's a lot of truth in that whitey and what Zappone needs to remember is that she's an elected official paid for her work, not some volunteer doing this for no reward. As such it's wrong for her to pose smiling in photos next to Hussein Halawa and suggests she's a woman of zero substance, who is more interested in photos for her twitter account of herself as the hero of the latest cause celebre, than fighting for what she believes in. If you were a gay man or woman living in an Islamic country which carries the death penalty for homosexual activity, I dare say you wouldn't be impressed. It's something she should have addressed and condemned, she could still have helped Ibrahim.
Quote from: whitey on October 29, 2017, 01:40:04 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 28, 2017, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 28, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 28, 2017, 02:23:54 AM
For all those liberal PC folk who are advocates of LGBTQ rights, surely backing the Halawas is a massive conflict of your standpoint?
Shouldn't you be a supporter fundamentalist Islamism, such as that practised in Saudi Arabia, given that you agree with so much of it? ;D
Quelle ironie.
It's been bizarre watching Zappone in the middle of this, best buddies with the Halawas. If Hussein Halawa was a white, born and bred Irish man the liberal lynch mob would have torn him to shreds by now for his views on homosexuality.
The thing about liberals is they need victims....otherwise theyd have fvck all to do
In this case Zappone can feel especially good about herself because at least on face value, the "victim" (who brought everything on himself) in question subscribes to an ideology that in anethma to all she stands for.
The Uber liberals in particular seem to have a need to "Johnny one up" each other in an effort to prove how truly wonderful and open minded they are.
It is hilarious to watch Zappone fawn over this guy when realistically the group he's aligned to would stone her to death if they got their way. Turkeys voting for xmas is alive and well.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DM5XYgAWkAUkLqx.jpg)
Sharia law ayyyyyyyyyy!!!
Maybe the apologists on here can tell me how exactly the Brotherhood of Islam is going to benefit Ireland as a society?
I think you've got it whitey - there seems to be some sort of sickness in liberal society where they feel the need to out-do each other in the moral superiority stakes. They can't take criticism or anyone who doesn't subscribe to their views but like to tell you that they are tolerant of everyone.
It's f**king bizarre. They need help or stronger meds.
is this picture not exactly what liberal society is supposed to be about.
2 people who hate our society and to destroy it and each other notion can still come together to help each other . she helped him out of Prison and he's helping her get Votes.
I see Ibrahim Halawa is to appear on the Late Late show this week
Quote from: oakleaflad on November 02, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I see Ibrahim Halawa is to appear on the Late Late show this week
He hardly has a book written about his ordeal already.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 02, 2017, 03:21:37 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on November 02, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I see Ibrahim Halawa is to appear on the Late Late show this week
He hardly has a book written about his ordeal already.
i think he had it written before he got back.
Quote from: rosnarun on November 02, 2017, 02:45:47 PM
is this picture not exactly what liberal society is supposed to be about.
2 people who hate our society and to destroy it and each other notion can still come together to help each other . she helped him out of Prison and he's helping her get Votes.
If you're going to come to this country you should learn to speak proper English.
Quote from: oakleaflad on November 02, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I see Ibrahim Halawa is to appear on the Late Late show this week
He won't be off the screens for the forseeable future. Ireland has it's new diversity poster boy.
Maybe RTE will give him a Christmas special.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2017, 03:52:05 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 02, 2017, 02:45:47 PM
is this picture not exactly what liberal society is supposed to be about.
2 people who hate our society and to destroy it and each other notion can still come together to help each other . she helped him out of Prison and he's helping her get Votes.
If you're going to come to this country you should learn to speak proper English.
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Exactly.....if it was good enough for Jesus it should be good enough for him!!
Quote from: oakleaflad on November 02, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I see Ibrahim Halawa is to appear on the Late Late show this week
That's given him a couple of weeks to get his story straight
Quote from: whitey on November 02, 2017, 05:08:19 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on November 02, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I see Ibrahim Halawa is to appear on the Late Late show this week
That's given him a couple of weeks to get his story straight
His book will top the fictional best sellers when it gets released.
Thinking of some working titles to help along the project
"Just stepped out for an ice cream"
"The accidental imam"
"The convenient irishman"
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2017, 03:52:05 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 02, 2017, 02:45:47 PM
is this picture not exactly what liberal society is supposed to be about.
2 people who hate our society and to destroy it and each other notion can still come together to help each other . she helped him out of Prison and he's helping her get Votes.
If you're going to come to this country you should learn to speak proper English.
I don't get you eamonn.
Quote from: foxcommander on November 02, 2017, 05:28:59 PM
Quote from: whitey on November 02, 2017, 05:08:19 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on November 02, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I see Ibrahim Halawa is to appear on the Late Late show this week
That's given him a couple of weeks to get his story straight
His book will top the fictional best sellers when it gets released.
Thinking of some working titles to help along the project
"Just stepped out for an ice cream"
"The accidental imam"
"The convenient irishman"
How's his hand now?
His sister claimed that he'd been shot through the hand on his arrest and had been refused treatment to the wound leaving his hand deformed but the scarring hasn't been mentioned in any of the homecoming reports that I've read.
Quote from: Asal Mor on November 02, 2017, 07:50:53 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on November 02, 2017, 05:28:59 PM
Quote from: whitey on November 02, 2017, 05:08:19 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on November 02, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I see Ibrahim Halawa is to appear on the Late Late show this week
That's given him a couple of weeks to get his story straight
His book will top the fictional best sellers when it gets released.
Thinking of some working titles to help along the project
"Just stepped out for an ice cream"
"The accidental imam"
"The convenient irishman"
How's his hand now?
His sister claimed that he'd been shot through the hand on his arrest and had been refused treatment to the wound leaving his hand deformed but the scarring hasn't been mentioned in any of the homecoming reports that I've read.
I would love to hear what the Embassy folks have to say.
He came across as very genuine I thought and it's good that they addressed some of the questions people were asking. Still not sure about his story but more inclined to believe him. The online reaction is predictable, everyone becoming more entrenched in their extreme stances. Nobody ever changes their mind or says " I don't know". His sister seemed angry that the help hadn't come much sooner.
I read somewhere that hes setting up a travel company specializing in vacations for adventerous folks who want to travel to exotic locations
Had he a poppy badge on his lapel?
Quote from: whitey on November 04, 2017, 02:13:06 AM
I read somewhere that hes setting up a travel company specializing in vacations for adventerous folks who want to travel to exotic locations
Doubt if he will be in a hurry to go to the moon.................
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY
I wonder how many of you believed Brian Keenan's side of the story after he got out. Or did you take the "he went looking for trouble, found it, and I have no sympathy" approach in his case too?
Quote from: give her dixie on November 04, 2017, 07:33:16 PM
Quote from: whitey on November 04, 2017, 02:13:06 AM
I read somewhere that hes setting up a travel company specializing in vacations for adventerous folks who want to travel to exotic locations
Doubt if he will be in a hurry to go to the moon.................
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY
Any chance whitey would take th'other yoke with him too.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 04, 2017, 11:30:38 PM
I wonder how many of you believed Brian Keenan's side of the story after he got out. Or did you take the "he went looking for trouble, found it, and I have no sympathy" approach in his case too?
I have plenty of sympathy for him and even his family, who seem to support things I consider extremely dangerous and retrograde. That doesn't mean his own actions weren't silly in the extreme and shouldn't be pointed out as well.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 04, 2017, 11:30:38 PM
I wonder how many of you believed Brian Keenan's side of the story after he got out. Or did you take the "he went looking for trouble, found it, and I have no sympathy" approach in his case too?
Wow.....thats kind of a weird and twisted analogy you pulled out of your arse
One person kidnapped by Islamic extremists through no fault of his own
The other person ignores travel advisory from his own government and travels 3,000 miles to take part in demonstrations IN SUPPORT OF Islamic extremists.