US-led air strikes on Syria killed a total of 225 civilians in April-May, a monitor said on Tuesday, the highest 30-day toll since the campaign began in 2014.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the civilian dead between 23 April and 23 May included 44 children and 36 women.
Representational image. APRepresentational image. AP
The US-led air campaign against the Islamic State jihadist group in Syria began on 23 September, 2014.
"The past month of operations is the highest civilian toll since the coalition began bombing Syria," observatory head Rami Abdel Rahman said.
"There has been a very big escalation."
The previous deadliest 30-day period was between 23 February and 23 March, 2016, when 220 civilians were killed, Abdel Rahman said.
April's deaths brought the overall civilian toll from the coalition campaign to 1,481, among them 319 children, the Britain-based monitoring group said.
Coalition bombing raids between 23 April and 23 May also killed 122 IS jihadists and eight fighters loyal to the Syrian government, the observatory said.
The loyalists were killed in a strike on a convoy headed toward a remote garrison near the border with Jordan being used by coalition forces.
Earlier in May, the US military said that coalition air strikes in Iraq and Syria had "unintentionally" killed 352 civilians since the campaign began.
The coalition launched operations against IS in Iraq in August 2014, then expanded them to Syria in September.
It is now backing twin offensives against IS's last major urban strongholds — Raqa in Syria and Mosul in Iraq.
It has deployed special operations forces on the ground in both countries as advisers.
On Friday, US defence secretary Jim Mattis said president Donald Trump has instructed the Pentagon to "annihilate" IS in Syria in a bid to prevent foreign fighters from returning home.
The president has "directed a tactical shift from shoving ISIS out of safe locations in an attrition fight to surrounding the enemy in their strongholds so we can annihilate ISIS," Mattis said, using an alternate acronym for IS.
"The intent is to prevent the return home of escaped foreign fighters."
Trump, who campaigned on a pledge to quickly defeat IS, signed an executive order soon after taking office giving his generals 30 days to come up with a revised plan to wipe the jihadists out.
The review resulted in the new "annihilation campaign" and saw commanders gain greater autonomy to make battlefield decisions.
And no condemnation anywhere for the murderous "Coalition" (who armed and funded ISIS in the first place).
Where's Stew and his rant against extremist Christian war mongers?
Quote from: Rossfan on May 23, 2017, 05:46:18 PM
And no condemnation anywhere for the murderous "Coalition" (who armed and funded ISIS in the first place).
Where's Stew and his rant against extremist Christian war mongers?
Right here and I had no idea that the yanks were fighting a Christian war in the middle east!
Of course i condemn the killing of innocents in the middle east, there is no one on a christian killing rampage you horror liberal dolt.
Your ignorant comment on here is to deflect from the muslim scum that killed 22 innocent people, most of whom were children.
Go on dear, you can say rafical muslim terrorist!
Crawl into your safe space you apologist clampett.
Personal abuse from stew as is his form.
Counter threads put up to get a reaction after one attack. Instead of putting this attack up last week, no wait till kids are blown up on your doorstep...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2017, 07:38:37 PM
Counter threads put up to get a reaction after one attack. Instead of putting this attack up last week, no wait till kids are blown up on your doorstep...
A couple of things:
-When
you start a thread, is it with the intention that there is no reaction? You like looking at the 0 replies beside it?
-What attack should I have put up last week?
-I didn't read this until today, so I was unable to post it up.
-You don't know anything about my doorstep or who's on it, do you?
Can't disagree with initial post but obviously posted in response to last night which makes it sick and cynical
Quote from: longballin on May 23, 2017, 08:23:04 PM
Can't disagree with initial post but obviously posted in response to last night which makes it sick and cynical
How so?
have you heard of whataboutery?
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 23, 2017, 08:13:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2017, 07:38:37 PM
Counter threads put up to get a reaction after one attack. Instead of putting this attack up last week, no wait till kids are blown up on your doorstep...
A couple of things:
-When you start a thread, is it with the intention that there is no reaction? You like looking at the 0 replies beside it?
-What attack should I have put up last week?
-I didn't read this until today, so I was unable to post it up.
-You don't know anything about my doorstep or who's on it, do you?
Just a coincidence then...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2017, 08:48:29 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 23, 2017, 08:13:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2017, 07:38:37 PM
Counter threads put up to get a reaction after one attack. Instead of putting this attack up last week, no wait till kids are blown up on your doorstep...
A couple of things:
-When you start a thread, is it with the intention that there is no reaction? You like looking at the 0 replies beside it?
-What attack should I have put up last week?
-I didn't read this until today, so I was unable to post it up.
-You don't know anything about my doorstep or who's on it, do you?
Just a coincidence then...
It's not. It was on my mind so I posted it. Like most threads. I'd say your initial reply, all the replies you could have made, is more questionable.
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 23, 2017, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2017, 08:48:29 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 23, 2017, 08:13:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2017, 07:38:37 PM
Counter threads put up to get a reaction after one attack. Instead of putting this attack up last week, no wait till kids are blown up on your doorstep...
A couple of things:
-When you start a thread, is it with the intention that there is no reaction? You like looking at the 0 replies beside it?
-What attack should I have put up last week?
-I didn't read this until today, so I was unable to post it up.
-You don't know anything about my doorstep or who's on it, do you?
Just a coincidence then...
It's not. It was on my mind so I posted it. Like most threads. I'd say your initial reply, all the replies you could have made, is more questionable.
Dead on
It's a relevant point that we (understandably considering our proximity) hear endlessly about these atrocities when they occur in the "west" but not at all when they happen in muslim countries. I presume the reverse happens in muslim countries where drone attacks and the likes are all over the news.
The countries (all security council members) who sell these weapons have most of this blood on their hands imo.
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 23, 2017, 09:45:39 PM
It's a relevant point that we (understandably considering our proximity) hear endlessly about these atrocities when they occur in the "west" but not at all when they happen in muslim countries. I presume the reverse happens in muslim countries where drone attacks and the likes are all over the news.
The countries (all security council members) who sell these weapons have most of this blood on their hands imo.
Course they do, I don't know anybody who would think otherwise, the point is the timing of the thread, you don't feel that it was strange?
Tbf, we probably don't even consider what happens in say Pakistan until something like this happens and it makes us think about what might motivate someone to do something like this.
Although in this case, the guy was British so atrocities in other parts of the world don't play a direct role
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2017, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 23, 2017, 09:45:39 PM
It's a relevant point that we (understandably considering our proximity) hear endlessly about these atrocities when they occur in the "west" but not at all when they happen in muslim countries. I presume the reverse happens in muslim countries where drone attacks and the likes are all over the news.
The countries (all security council members) who sell these weapons have most of this blood on their hands imo.
Course they do, I don't know anybody who would think otherwise, the point is the timing of the thread, you don't feel that it was strange?
How's it strange? It was obviously on mind given what happened in the UK.
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 23, 2017, 10:30:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2017, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 23, 2017, 09:45:39 PM
It's a relevant point that we (understandably considering our proximity) hear endlessly about these atrocities when they occur in the "west" but not at all when they happen in muslim countries. I presume the reverse happens in muslim countries where drone attacks and the likes are all over the news.
The countries (all security council members) who sell these weapons have most of this blood on their hands imo.
Course they do, I don't know anybody who would think otherwise, the point is the timing of the thread, you don't feel that it was strange?
How's it strange? It was obviously on mind given what happened in the UK.
It wasn't strange just totally insensitive timing... sick. Knew what he was doing.
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 23, 2017, 10:04:46 PM
Tbf, we probably don't even consider what happens in say Pakistan until something like this happens and it makes us think about what might motivate someone to do something like this.
Although in this case, the guy was British so atrocities in other parts of the world don't play a direct role
I consider what goes on in every country that has a bombing which kills innocent people men women and children as awful! anyone who doesn't is a sad individual, a parent who has lost a child will feel the same no matter where they are from or religion they are
Quote from: Rossfan on May 23, 2017, 07:38:10 PM
Personal abuse from stew as is his form.
You called me out and make a tit out of yourself in the process, instead of talking about Christian atrocities of which there are many, why don't you call out the muslim scum that killed these children instead of avoiding the reason for the thread regarding the Manchester murders.
Esmarelda so this thread was on your mind, funny after last night i thought a thread on the innocent children killed last night would have been on my mind to be honest.
Quote from: longballin on May 23, 2017, 10:33:49 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 23, 2017, 10:30:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2017, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 23, 2017, 09:45:39 PM
It's a relevant point that we (understandably considering our proximity) hear endlessly about these atrocities when they occur in the "west" but not at all when they happen in muslim countries. I presume the reverse happens in muslim countries where drone attacks and the likes are all over the news.
The countries (all security council members) who sell these weapons have most of this blood on their hands imo.
Course they do, I don't know anybody who would think otherwise, the point is the timing of the thread, you don't feel that it was strange?
How's it strange? It was obviously on mind given what happened in the UK.
It wasn't strange just totally insensitive timing... sick. Knew what he was doing.
Who's he? Insensitive to whom?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 23, 2017, 10:59:58 PM
Esmarelda so this thread was on your mind, funny after last night i thought a thread on the innocent children killed last night would have been on my mind to be honest.
So you thought about this for the last 24 hours only. Your mind didn't wander at all to any broader issues on the general subject of terrorism? If so, I find that strange. On the Manchester thread itself, the topic has already deviated so I reckon you're being glib rather than honest as you claim.
This is the sort of thread I would start if I was a 6th form politics student too. For the grown - ups it is pathetic attention seeking. I think everyone is aware of both the fact that these atrocities occur elsewhere AND the principle of moral equivalence. Embarrassing stuff.
I have a few friends on facebook who are at this craic every time there is an attack close to home. Usually goes along the same lines with a rant about all the attention something here is getting yet no mention of a killing in a far away land.
Not one famine thread up or updates on how many people have been killed by gun crime in the States!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 24, 2017, 12:13:50 AM
This is the sort of thread I would start if I was a 6th form politics student too. For the grown - ups it is pathetic attention seeking. I think everyone is aware of both the fact that these atrocities occur elsewhere AND the principle of moral equivalence. Embarrassing stuff.
I'm not a student. I guess I must be in between that and being a grown up. When I'm a grown up will I be able to read the minds of anonymous posters like you are?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 24, 2017, 08:48:26 AM
Not one famine thread up or updates on how many people have been killed by gun crime in the States!
If something brings either to my attention or if I read about it in the news then maybe I'll start a thread. Similar to any other thread I create.
I started this thread as I follow such events closely. I'm also intrigued by people's reactions to atrocities and the media reporting of them. I'v e been called sick and cynical on the same day a man murders 22 people. A bit of perspective.
What's interesting is that maybe one or two people have commented on the detail of the post. Maybe being on this board makes people suspicious but for the vast majority to play the man/woman rather than comment on the data isn't something I actually considered would happen. Of course that's impossible to believe for some of you but c'est la vie.
No major terrorist attacks in Europe in recent weeks so I think it's ok to post this.
Looking forward to the UN's response, especially that delightful Nikki Haley.
Barely makes the news here.
http://www.newsweek.com/syria-war-us-led-coalition-killed-almost-500-civilians-deadliest-month-isis-628581
The U.S.-led coalition's strikes against the Islamic State militant group (ISIS) in two Syrian provinces killed 472 civilians in the last month, according to a monitor.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), a U.K.-based monitoring group that has an extensive network of contacts on the ground in Syria, said the toll was more than double the month prior and the highest for a single month since raids began in September 2014.
In Raqqa province, where the city of the same name is located, coalition strikes killed 250 civilians, including 53 children, SOHR said. In Deir ez-Zor, strikes killed 222 civilians, 84 of which were children.
Rami Abdul Rahman, director of SOHR, told the AFP news agency that the total deaths caused by coalition strikes in Syria now amounted to 1,953. Of the deceased, 456 were children and 333 were women.
The coalition continues its bombing campaign in and around the eastern Syrian city of Raqqa, the largest under ISIS's control in the country. It is supporting an Arab-Kurdish alliance waging a ground offensive against ISIS in the de facto capital of its self-declared caliphate that straddles the Iraqi-Syrian border.
The coalition says it takes as many precautions as possible within the laws of warfare, but top coalition generals have admitted that civilian deaths are inevitable in the campaign to defeat ISIS. Some 100,000 civilians remain under ISIS control in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, and thousands remain in Raqqa.
Human rights groups have criticized the coalition for not exercising enough caution. One case in particular was a March 17 strike in Mosul that killed more than 100 civilians. The coalition investigated the incident and concluded that ISIS had placed booby traps in the building that maximized the damage on impact.
The six-year-long Syrian civil war has killed more than 400,000 people and displaced millions internally and externally.
Pure rotten and the West would be best to let the countries sort out their own problems and the killing will stop.........
We'd hear a lot more about these deaths if the world press was able to freely go about the country and report them dont you think? I suppose with the fear of kidnappings and death squads looking for Westerns we wont get a full picture (as such)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2017, 02:44:10 PM
Pure rotten and the West would be best to let the countries sort out their own problems and the killing will stop.........
We'd hear a lot more about these deaths if the world press was able to freely go about the country and report them dont you think? I suppose with the fear of kidnappings and death squads looking for Westerns we wont get a full picture (as such)
Do you think?
If I can access the information online then so can anyone else The question is why they decide not publish it.
You don't hear much about it at all in the states, except in so far as ISIS are using the civilian populations as human shields to delay the taking back of those cities.
It's all very easy from the safety and security of a neutral country to come out with the burning pitchforks. Isis are probably the most savage barbarians ever to set foot on this planet. If I was under siege in a Syrian village and faced the prospect of my mother, wife, daughters and grandmother getting anally raped by a gang of these savages before being brutally knifed to death, I'd gladly roll the dice and welcome an air strike from the US Airforce
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2017, 04:57:43 PM
It's all very easy from the safety and security of a neutral country to come out with the burning pitchforks. Isis are probably the most savage barbarians ever to set foot on this planet. If I was under siege in a Syrian village and faced the prospect of my mother, wife, daughters and grandmother getting anally raped by a gang of these savages before being brutally knifed to death, I'd gladly roll the dice and welcome an air strike from the US Airforce
The point is that we don't hear of these casualties yet when the Russians were trying to drive the rebels out of Aleppo we had stories of hospitals being bombed and little girls tweeting the world to come save her.
Every civilian death is a tragedy. I'm highlighting the reporting or lack thereof depending on who is responsible, and the reaction of the average person to this.
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 09, 2017, 05:03:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2017, 04:57:43 PM
It's all very easy from the safety and security of a neutral country to come out with the burning pitchforks. Isis are probably the most savage barbarians ever to set foot on this planet. If I was under siege in a Syrian village and faced the prospect of my mother, wife, daughters and grandmother getting anally raped by a gang of these savages before being brutally knifed to death, I'd gladly roll the dice and welcome an air strike from the US Airforce
The point is that we don't hear of these casualties yet when the Russians were trying to drive the rebels out of Aleppo we had stories of hospitals being bombed and little girls tweeting the world to come save her.
Every civilian death is a tragedy. I'm highlighting the reporting or lack thereof depending on who is responsible, and the reaction of the average person to this.
I accessed online a bird coming down and plucking a child off the ground, the video looked real but turned out to be fake...
What average person do you know is not horrified by these atrocities ?
Solution??
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2017, 06:22:09 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 09, 2017, 05:03:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2017, 04:57:43 PM
It's all very easy from the safety and security of a neutral country to come out with the burning pitchforks. Isis are probably the most savage barbarians ever to set foot on this planet. If I was under siege in a Syrian village and faced the prospect of my mother, wife, daughters and grandmother getting anally raped by a gang of these savages before being brutally knifed to death, I'd gladly roll the dice and welcome an air strike from the US Airforce
The point is that we don't hear of these casualties yet when the Russians were trying to drive the rebels out of Aleppo we had stories of hospitals being bombed and little girls tweeting the world to come save her.
Every civilian death is a tragedy. I'm highlighting the reporting or lack thereof depending on who is responsible, and the reaction of the average person to this.
I accessed online a bird coming down and plucking a child off the ground, the video looked real but turned out to be fake...
What average person do you know is not horrified by these atrocities ?
Solution??
I bet if this story was added to the top ten current stories on RTE.ie, I'd say it would be among the least clicked upon.
No solution as it's not a problem. I just find it interesting.
Its like the differing western responses to terrorism. If it happens in a major American or western European city, its blanket news in the west.
Elsewhere, its just what happens in those parts of the world. Its routine.
People are more upset when they can put themselves in the shoes of the victims, which is the case when some lunatic takes a truck and mows down a load of people walking across a bridge or through a market in a western city.
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 09, 2017, 06:31:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2017, 06:22:09 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 09, 2017, 05:03:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2017, 04:57:43 PM
It's all very easy from the safety and security of a neutral country to come out with the burning pitchforks. Isis are probably the most savage barbarians ever to set foot on this planet. If I was under siege in a Syrian village and faced the prospect of my mother, wife, daughters and grandmother getting anally raped by a gang of these savages before being brutally knifed to death, I'd gladly roll the dice and welcome an air strike from the US Airforce
The point is that we don't hear of these casualties yet when the Russians were trying to drive the rebels out of Aleppo we had stories of hospitals being bombed and little girls tweeting the world to come save her.
Every civilian death is a tragedy. I'm highlighting the reporting or lack thereof depending on who is responsible, and the reaction of the average person to this.
I accessed online a bird coming down and plucking a child off the ground, the video looked real but turned out to be fake...
What average person do you know is not horrified by these atrocities ?
Solution??
I bet if this story was added to the top ten current stories on RTE.ie, I'd say it would be among the least clicked upon.
No solution as it's not a problem. I just find it interesting.
So thousands being killed ain't a problem that needs fixed? So come a forum and post that without debating it? I bet if RTE sent a reporter to Isis held towns and tried to report the stuff you accessed online they'd be dead in a week
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2017, 06:42:46 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 09, 2017, 06:31:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2017, 06:22:09 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 09, 2017, 05:03:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2017, 04:57:43 PM
It's all very easy from the safety and security of a neutral country to come out with the burning pitchforks. Isis are probably the most savage barbarians ever to set foot on this planet. If I was under siege in a Syrian village and faced the prospect of my mother, wife, daughters and grandmother getting anally raped by a gang of these savages before being brutally knifed to death, I'd gladly roll the dice and welcome an air strike from the US Airforce
The point is that we don't hear of these casualties yet when the Russians were trying to drive the rebels out of Aleppo we had stories of hospitals being bombed and little girls tweeting the world to come save her.
Every civilian death is a tragedy. I'm highlighting the reporting or lack thereof depending on who is responsible, and the reaction of the average person to this.
I accessed online a bird coming down and plucking a child off the ground, the video looked real but turned out to be fake...
What average person do you know is not horrified by these atrocities ?
Solution??
I bet if this story was added to the top ten current stories on RTE.ie, I'd say it would be among the least clicked upon.
No solution as it's not a problem. I just find it interesting.
So thousands being killed ain't a problem that needs fixed? So come a forum and post that without debating it? I bet if RTE sent a reporter to Isis held towns and tried to report the stuff you accessed online they'd be dead in a week
That's not what I said. I said people's reaction to it isn't a problem.
I think you're missing a word or two from your second sentence so I can't respond.
I agree with your last line but I'm not sure what you're getting at with it.
Quote from: J70 on August 09, 2017, 06:36:52 PM
Its like the differing western responses to terrorism. If it happens in a major American or western European city, its blanket news in the west.
Elsewhere, its just what happens in those parts of the world. Its routine.
People are more upset when they can put themselves in the shoes of the victims, which is the case when some lunatic takes a truck and mows down a load of people walking across a bridge or through a market in a western city.
Exactly right.
The other part of my point is why the western media barely mention these things yet we had all sorts of coverage of the "fall" of Aleppo. Compare it to the "liberation" of Mosul and you can see what I mean by even the terminology used.
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 09, 2017, 07:06:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2017, 06:42:46 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 09, 2017, 06:31:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2017, 06:22:09 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 09, 2017, 05:03:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2017, 04:57:43 PM
It's all very easy from the safety and security of a neutral country to come out with the burning pitchforks. Isis are probably the most savage barbarians ever to set foot on this planet. If I was under siege in a Syrian village and faced the prospect of my mother, wife, daughters and grandmother getting anally raped by a gang of these savages before being brutally knifed to death, I'd gladly roll the dice and welcome an air strike from the US Airforce
The point is that we don't hear of these casualties yet when the Russians were trying to drive the rebels out of Aleppo we had stories of hospitals being bombed and little girls tweeting the world to come save her.
Every civilian death is a tragedy. I'm highlighting the reporting or lack thereof depending on who is responsible, and the reaction of the average person to this.
I accessed online a bird coming down and plucking a child off the ground, the video looked real but turned out to be fake...
What average person do you know is not horrified by these atrocities ?
Solution??
I bet if this story was added to the top ten current stories on RTE.ie, I'd say it would be among the least clicked upon.
No solution as it's not a problem. I just find it interesting.
So thousands being killed ain't a problem that needs fixed? So come a forum and post that without debating it? I bet if RTE sent a reporter to Isis held towns and tried to report the stuff you accessed online they'd be dead in a week
That's not what I said. I said people's reaction to it isn't a problem.
I think you're missing a word or two from your second sentence so I can't respond.
I agree with your last line but I'm not sure what you're getting at with it.
The word was 'on'
I'm not getting at you just wondering are you posting stuff about atrocities just in Isis areas or are you open to other atrocities around the world? Nigeria has massive civilian deaths each year... not on the news..
Been millions of people displaced around the world and killed.. most people will react if they think it's close to them (Europe) or type of atrocity (getting mowed down by a truck) now if this forum was in central Africa or the Middle East people would be debating how bad it is and the suffering is so close to them it understandable. I think your beef is with collation policies in other countries...
I'll hazard a guess and say they (from Africa, Middle East) wouldn't bat an eyelid at the 255 killed in one month in the States, or
put it on the internet, unless there is a Esmeralda from the Middle East
My main point is why the western media barely mention atrocities that the US and its allies carry out yet when the Russians, who are fighting alongside and at the request of the Syrian government, are involved we get widespread reports of hospitals being intentionally attacked, sarin gas being used etc. The fact that no evidence is subsequently produced is also barely reported on.
Why is this the case in a seemingly neutral country like Ireland? Why aren't Prime Time reporting on it like they did when Aleppo was being liberated? Why isn't Pat Kenny covering it on his Newtalk show? Why isn't an oireachtas committee asking questions of the U.S. ambassador when they did so with the Russian equivalent?
I think it fairly obvious that Esmerelda is highlighting the double standards of our media outlets in giving a one-eyed view of the conflicts in the Middle East. News media such as the BBC may not quite be as c**k-eyed as say North Korean TV but it aint far off it in my view.
And it definitely works. Hearing people who would class themselves as diehard Irish republicans espousing views on the middle east that they are getting from mainstream media like the BBC and the Sun in the UK and Ireland would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Unfortunately there are loads of people like that on here too.
It would be termed brainwashing only that would infer they have a brain.
The problem of getting information from the internet is balance, unless you are there and watching and hearing first hand accounts of these atrocities then surely its the same as believing the reports coming from BBC, CBS, NBC, RTE or the Middle east media.. the western media have an agenda as to do the Middle east media, it's shifting through the info you've got and then coming up with a balanced view is the difficulty..
Think i heard that in either Ireland or Northern Ireland there are 7 people a week taking their own lives 364 people a year snuffed out without any real media attention.. I'd be more interested in hearing about the ways of dealing with issues close to home
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2017, 03:42:33 PM
The problem of getting information from the internet is balance, unless you are there and watching and hearing first hand accounts of these atrocities then surely its the same as believing the reports coming from BBC, CBS, NBC, RTE or the Middle east media.. the western media have an agenda as to do the Middle east media, it's shifting through the info you've got and then coming up with a balanced view is the difficulty..
Think i heard that in either Ireland or Northern Ireland there are 7 people a week taking their own lives 364 people a year snuffed out without any real media attention.. I'd be more interested in hearing about the ways of dealing with issues close to home
RTE regularly quote the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights as a source in Syria. From what I've read, they're not to be relied on but that's not my point. This same group offers information on the US's activities in the region yet RTE (and others) choose not to print it.
Not to play down the terrible tragedy that is suicide in our country but we're a wealthy enough country to put funds in place to deal with mental health issues to a much further degree than we do. Our government chooses not to. I'd imagine the reasons behind each suicide are relatively similar, but no less tragic. Hearing about how to deal with the issue doesn't require a report on each one. Everyone knows it's happening.
And everyone knows what's happening in the Middle East, it's a shite state of affairs but you should be more concerned (well i am) on our own problems which you may have an input or ability to fix
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2017, 09:56:52 PM
And everyone knows what's happening in the Middle East, it's a shite state of affairs but you should be more concerned (well i am) on our own problems which you may have an input or ability to fix
Everyone knows? Have you read what I've just posted? People know what our media tell them which is very little and one-sided.
I have a much better idea of what's going on in Ireland. I vote in a democracy and I can, to some extent, hold those elected to account, including the disgraceful use of Shannon Airport by the U.S. as they refill en route to one of their illegal invasions.
You're entitled to be concerned with whatever you want but I completely disagree with your outlook.
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 11, 2017, 09:08:34 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2017, 09:56:52 PM
And everyone knows what's happening in the Middle East, it's a shite state of affairs but you should be more concerned (well i am) on our own problems which you may have an input or ability to fix
Everyone knows? Have you read what I've just posted? People know what our media tell them which is very little and one-sided.
I have a much better idea of what's going on in Ireland. I vote in a democracy and I can, to some extent, hold those elected to account, including the disgraceful use of Shannon Airport by the U.S. as they refill en route to one of their illegal invasions.
You're entitled to be concerned with whatever you want but I completely disagree with your outlook.
Facebook, twitter and any other media outlet will have people putting up posts about all sorts of atrocities around the world and comparing them to the 6 people that died when a van or bus mowed them down, that seems to be standard.. and if you are interested enough you can find it on the internet..
If people are not bother on what happens outside of their bubble thats fine too..
out of interest, what have you done to stop the U.S refuelling at Shannon?
Again, it's not about the information being available if you really want it. It's why is not in the mainstream news regardless of who the perpetrators are.
I've done nothing directly about the refuelling at Shannon. Ive considered it along with all the other issues when voting.
Id say most people dont watch the news... I've not watched the news properly since my kids were born, like most people they will get it from twitter/FB/internet
But if you're a boring old fart you'll watch the news and give off about how they are not showing the 'real' news and how bad the Americans and the rest of the West and Russians... Wasted energy in my view as you are unable to do anything but vote, in Ireland, that, believe it or not is controlled by the EU who seemed to be backing the Americans...
The real fight would be to go to these places, fight the real fight. video it all and then pepper the media outlets with your blogg, be a lot more constructive than blabbering on here, like he rest of us
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2017, 12:46:23 PM
Id say most people dont watch the news... I've not watched the news properly since my kids were born, like most people they will get it from twitter/FB/internet
But if you're a boring old fart you'll watch the news and give off about how they are not showing the 'real' news and how bad the Americans and the rest of the West and Russians... Wasted energy in my view as you are unable to do anything but vote, in Ireland, that, believe it or not is controlled by the EU who seemed to be backing the Americans...
The real fight would be to go to these places, fight the real fight. video it all and then pepper the media outlets with your blogg, be a lot more constructive than blabbering on here, like he rest of us
Well other than copying and pasting the same post again and again I don't seem able to make you see the point.
Your point is the western media paying lip service to the atroicities in the Middle east if it involves the Americans bombing there? I get it, said that already, but there are many other outlets that you can get this information should you wish...
I'd say most people are appalled by it, then move on..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2017, 10:29:55 AM
Your point is the western media paying lip service to the atroicities in the Middle east if it involves the Americans bombing there? I get it, said that already, but there are many other outlets that you can get this information should you wish...
I'd say most people are appalled by it, then move on..
I get all the information I want. I'm not complaining that I can't get it. The question is why is it not reported on by the mainstream.
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 14, 2017, 10:47:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2017, 10:29:55 AM
Your point is the western media paying lip service to the atroicities in the Middle east if it involves the Americans bombing there? I get it, said that already, but there are many other outlets that you can get this information should you wish...
I'd say most people are appalled by it, then move on..
I get all the information I want. I'm not complaining that I can't get it. The question is why is it not reported on by the mainstream.
I think if more people were interested then they would show it! I dont think people are bothered unless its on their doorstep
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 14, 2017, 10:47:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2017, 10:29:55 AM
Your point is the western media paying lip service to the atroicities in the Middle east if it involves the Americans bombing there? I get it, said that already, but there are many other outlets that you can get this information should you wish...
I'd say most people are appalled by it, then move on..
I get all the information I want. I'm not complaining that I can't get it. The question is why is it not reported on by the mainstream.
I think if more people were interested then they would show it! I dont think people are bothered unless its on their doorstep
That suggests that, for example, Irish people are concerned with the Syrian government retaking Aleppo moreso than the Iraqi government retaking Mosul. I doubt very much that's the case.
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 15, 2017, 11:16:15 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 14, 2017, 10:47:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2017, 10:29:55 AM
Your point is the western media paying lip service to the atroicities in the Middle east if it involves the Americans bombing there? I get it, said that already, but there are many other outlets that you can get this information should you wish...
I'd say most people are appalled by it, then move on..
I get all the information I want. I'm not complaining that I can't get it. The question is why is it not reported on by the mainstream.
I think if more people were interested then they would show it! I dont think people are bothered unless its on their doorstep
That suggests that, for example, Irish people are concerned with the Syrian government retaking Aleppo moreso than the Iraqi government retaking Mosul. I doubt very much that's the case.
Judging by most posts on here (crap indication i know) Irish people are more concerned with Brexit, American politics, Man utd Liverpool Celtic and McGregor!!!! add in the Dublin threads and there ya have it... this thread has 4 pages...
I think Irish people want to fight for injustices in other countries (well, in their heads) or at the very least try and relate to them (Israel Palestine) but i think as you get older, get married, house, kids and stay in a job you lose intrest in it very quickly, unless its on your doorstep..
I firmly believe that the media outlets have an agenda based on who owns them, but will give the headlines that will generate the most attention, not what you think should be at the forefront of the news, there are hard hitting docs on this every so often but its not always a news story to the BBC/ITV/RTE/CBN/NBC/FOX
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2017, 11:37:41 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 15, 2017, 11:16:15 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 14, 2017, 10:47:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2017, 10:29:55 AM
Your point is the western media paying lip service to the atroicities in the Middle east if it involves the Americans bombing there? I get it, said that already, but there are many other outlets that you can get this information should you wish...
I'd say most people are appalled by it, then move on..
I get all the information I want. I'm not complaining that I can't get it. The question is why is it not reported on by the mainstream.
I think if more people were interested then they would show it! I dont think people are bothered unless its on their doorstep
That suggests that, for example, Irish people are concerned with the Syrian government retaking Aleppo moreso than the Iraqi government retaking Mosul. I doubt very much that's the case.
Judging by most posts on here (crap indication i know) Irish people are more concerned with Brexit, American politics, Man utd Liverpool Celtic and McGregor!!!! add in the Dublin threads and there ya have it... this thread has 4 pages...
I think Irish people want to fight for injustices in other countries (well, in their heads) or at the very least try and relate to them (Israel Palestine) but i think as you get older, get married, house, kids and stay in a job you lose intrest in it very quickly, unless its on your doorstep..
I firmly believe that the media outlets have an agenda based on who owns them, but will give the headlines that will generate the most attention, not what you think should be at the forefront of the news, there are hard hitting docs on this every so often but its not always a news story to the BBC/ITV/RTE/CBN/NBC/FOX
I'd say you're on the right track. The question remains though, why would an Irish audience want to see Syria/Russia in a negative light rather than the U.S./N.A.TO. or, more to the point, why do our media feed it to them. What is RTE or TV3's agenda, for example?
Just an update - 170 civilians killed in Raqqa by US led forces in one week, including 19 children.
946 civilians killed in Raqqa since June. According to reports.
http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/08/us-coalition-kills-over-170-civilians.html
I take it all back. Fair play RTE.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0823/899544-terrorism/