Money, Dublin and the GAA

[mup]

Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.

'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread. 

[Jinxy]

Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.

'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

I'd like to hear more from former Dublin player Alan Brogan, son of former Dublin player Bernard Brogan Sr and brother of current Dublin player Bernard Brogan Jr, and why he thinks Dublin aren't getting the credit they deserve.
This is the kind of objective analysis we need to counter the Ewan MacKennas of this world.

[TheGreatest]

Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.

'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread. 

Seems so, lets close it down now.

[TheGreatest]

Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.

'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

I'd like to hear more from former Dublin player Alan Brogan, son of former Dublin player Bernard Brogan Sr and brother of current Dublin player Bernard Brogan Jr, and why he thinks Dublin aren't getting the credit they deserve.
This is the kind of objective analysis we need to counter the Ewan MacKennas of this world.

Ewan who, a crackpot it seems.

Yeah good insight from Brogan, what it tell us that its not 5 stars all the way with Dublin. Iv Played in Innisfails and St Davids, not great at all, Innisfails sure in the country of Dublin !

[thejuice]

What about this East Leinster funding that was going on. Any idea what we're doing with it? Probably filling potholes around Brews Hill with it.

[Hound]

Thats not what i witnessed when i lived in Dublin and was involved with a club at nursery level in up and coming West Dublin club. The GPO would be in the schools every week and would take a session with nursery once a month and give instructions to the mentors and other volunteers. The club encouraged its members to attend GAA courses. In 2 years i attended 3 courses. It was given by 3 different GPO's, one was a current Leitrim footballer, another by Johnny Coopers brother and the GPO of the club. To say GPO dont get involved with training of young players is false. They mentor all the club volunteers in drills and preparation and get involved in training themselves. Difference in Sligo is night and day. Only 2 GPO between all Sligo clubs.

Well said. This is actually very close to my experience and more non-Dubs living in Dublin should tell us their experience, because many don't seem to believe me.

They go to local primary schools to take PE classes. As the majority will not be GAA members, this focuses on basic skills. This takes about 50% of their working week, hence 50% is paid by the GAA. The other 50% is paid by the club.
They take nursery classes at the club to teach basic skills to very young children that are too young to be on a team.
They give courses to parents who have no experience and who want to learn basic drills etc, so they can look after teams their young lads are on. Even parents with senior playing experience can join these, but rarely do in my experience.
Some GPOs are good, some are useless. It's good that in your experience they kept an eye on some of the parents they'd given courses to. That wasn't my experience.
But they don't take teams (unless on a very short term basis when a team's manager has left), and they don't go near elite players.

Agree 100% that there should be more of them in other counties. 89 in all the rest of Leinster I believe.
I wonder how many clubs choose to pay an outside manager and choose not to use those funds to pay for 50% of a GPO's salary?

[Jinxy]

Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.

'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread. 

Seems so, lets close it down now.

If the money doesn't matter... can we have it back?

[TheGreatest]

Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.

'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread. 

Seems so, lets close it down now.

If the money doesn't matter... can we have it back?

Don't understand what you mean, you need to ask the parents of the primary School kids and mini league kids where the money goes for it back.

From another forum, Joe Brolly states on Twitter that he has got all the information, stats and figures from the Dublin county board and will be doing an article on it over the next few weeks. be interesting to see.

[Dinny Breen]

The GAA have rolled out Jarleth, they must be feeling the heat. I haven't listened yet as I am in work..


https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/jarlath-burns-colm-parkinson-gaa-hour-176158

The biggest problem is that the GAA overachieved on the aims of its strategic review in 2002.

As much as the funding that was injected into the games promotion of Dublin is creating an imbalance, it was a necessary thing to do.

Dublin houses a fifth of the country and that fraction is getting bigger every year. The GAA want to have the biggest and most popular games in Ireland. But, in their capital, they were seeing nothing but decline as rugby and soccer made moves, backed with resources, finances and dreams.

Still, today, even with the powerhouse that Dublin has become, the proportion of registered players relative to the population is behind most counties.



    "Somebody who met us commented on the situation [in Dublin] and said the day before the 1995 All-Ireland final, you could've walked down O'Connell Street, the main street in the capital city of our country, and you would not have known that there was even a match going to take place, never mind that this county was going to be participating in an All-Ireland final.

    "I'll read a bit of this report. It says, 'the last five years have seen a rapid growth in the number of people living in the Greater Dublin Area. Recent research has indicated that fewer and fewer of these children are choosing Gaelic Games as their preferred activity. The situation is further compounded by the fact that the main competitors in the sporting arena are investing significantly in marketing their games aggressively, including areas and schools where previously the GAA was the dominant entity in sporting terms.'

    "The GAA was declining rapidly in Dublin at that stage. I remember Peter Quinn's report at the special congress that said there are vast tracks of inner city Dublin and in South Dublin where the people don't even know that the GAA exists, never mind playing it.

    "That was borne out a few years later whenever we relaxed Rule 42 and the IRFU had to issues direction for people in South Dublin to get to Croke Park."

16 years later and Cuala in South Dublin are winning All-Ireland hurling titles, the county footballers have taken home six of the last eight Sam Maguires and Croke Park is the only destination for a lot of the kids in the capital.

But it's important to remember that the money was never intended to target winning more at senior level. It was about participation and nothing else.

    "Remember what the GAA's coaching and games strategy is, what the ethos is. It is not anything to do with producing elite performance - that comes later on at the academy, which counties themselves have to fund. What it is is participation, honoured by this statement: 'We want people to play and stay with the GAA,' Burns explained.

    "You make a point asking, 'why was all this money going into Dublin?' I would respond to that by saying any area where the GAA sees that there's a need, they will invest in it.

    "If we don't have a strong presence in the capital city of our country, how relevant are we going to be?

    "I'm not arguing with what you're saying because there is an imbalance. Even at the highest level of Croke Park, they'll admit that there's an imbalance."


Other counties have problems too and you can see where their gripes are coming from. But at the time, the GAA needed to be stronger in Dublin.

    "I believe that it's very important that the GAA is strong and vibrant and relevant in our capital city.

    "At the time the strategic review was written, we were losing a massive amount of potential throughout the city because of the amount of aggressive marketing that was being done by other sports. There is only so much decline you can take before you say, 'right, we have to stop it.'"

Just on the points highlighted

1. I work in Dublin, you would not have known Dublin were in the All-Ireland final this year, so I do not know what his point is..

2. Leinster rugby since 2009 have cutting investment in games development, like all professional sports extra money gets funneled to players and the FAI have f**k all money so again a lie that has somehow become a truth to justify the additional funding

3. The GAA in inner city Dublin is dying and the GAA are complicit not saviours

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/kevins-gaa-club-oppose-proposed-sale-of-section-of-dolphin-park-1.3444737

4. Where is this increased participation, how much of an increase compared to other counties who got a fraction of the funding? Where are all the new clubs? Where are all the new pitches and shared infrastructure?

[Jinxy]

This line stood out to me.
"If we don't have a strong presence in the capital city of our country, how relevant are we going to be?"

[TheGreatest]

This line stood out to me.
"If we don't have a strong presence in the capital city of our country, how relevant are we going to be?"

He's right, or is it just bog ball for the country folk. Soccer is the biggest game played in Dublin. Rugby has been extremely popular.

You all just cant handle that the laughing stock of the country in the 00s is now one of the greatest teams  of all time, no more 5 past Cluxton or don't believe the hypes stuff.

Suck it up.

[mup]

Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.

'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread. 

Seems so, lets close it down now.

If the money doesn't matter... can we have it back?

Don't understand what you mean, you need to ask the parents of the primary School kids and mini league kids where the money goes for it back.

From another forum, Joe Brolly states on Twitter that he has got all the information, stats and figures from the Dublin county board and will be doing an article on it over the next few weeks. be interesting to see.

Indeed it will be interesting.

Interesting to see if they include any payments to the management team/backroom staff in the information that Brolly receives.

[Jinxy]

This line stood out to me.
"If we don't have a strong presence in the capital city of our country, how relevant are we going to be?"

He's right, or is it just bog ball for the country folk. Soccer is the biggest game played in Dublin. Rugby has been extremely popular.

You all just cant handle that the laughing stock of the country in the 00s is now one of the greatest teams  of all time, no more 5 past Cluxton or don't believe the hypes stuff.

Suck it up.

Leinster champions in 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 & 2009.
All-Ireland quarter-finalists in 2001, 2004, 2005, 2008, 2009.
All-Ireland semi-finalists in 2002, 2006, 2007 & 2010.
They badly needed a dig-out alright.

[Jinxy]

The Dubs are playing Brolly like an absolute fiddle by the way.

[TheGreatest]

Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.

'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread. 

Seems so, lets close it down now.

If the money doesn't matter... can we have it back?

Don't understand what you mean, you need to ask the parents of the primary School kids and mini league kids where the money goes for it back.

From another forum, Joe Brolly states on Twitter that he has got all the information, stats and figures from the Dublin county board and will be doing an article on it over the next few weeks. be interesting to see.

Indeed it will be interesting.

Interesting to see if they include any payments to the management team/backroom staff in the information that Brolly receives.

And how it differs from other big counties set ups I presume too. E,G Physios etc.

Id say some of you are sweating that some hard truth facts are coming your way.