Money, Dublin and the GAA

[highorlow]

Can you list the advantages that this Dublin team are getting from this unproven inequality to help them win the all-irelands? What have they got access to that their closest rivals - Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone don't have?

All players live in Dublin

One to one access to nutritionists, dietitians, yoga(ians)(ists?),

ditto physios and the like

Meals delivered to their doors

Cars

The army

Access to early morning training sessions (again living in Dublin)

Full time life style coach

Access to sports science department in UCD

Close to sports injury clinic

No late night drives home after training sessions

All weather training facilities

Unified training sessions, (the rest of us have to have a coach in Dublin training groups that can't afford to live / work at home)

Home games in the league are in Croker rather than Parnell park allowing Dublin free practice runs for the Championship

"Soft" jobs, in Dublin beside where they live.

Players don't need to fund raise.

Also most larger clubs in Dublin have a cash surplus to re-invest every year.

All of the above funded by the taxpayers and fans of other counties and clubs.

The Dubs are almost a full time professional team akin to an Aussie Rules outfit.

Now, you list any advantages the other teams have over Dublin?

[Syferus]

Can you list the advantages that this Dublin team are getting from this unproven inequality to help them win the all-irelands? What have they got access to that their closest rivals - Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone don't have?

All players live in Dublin

One to one access to nutritionists, dietitians, yoga(ians)(ists?),

ditto physios and the like

Meals delivered to their doors

Cars

The army

Access to early morning training sessions (again living in Dublin)

Full time life style coach

Access to sports science department in UCD

Close to sports injury clinic

No late night drives home after training sessions

All weather training facilities

Unified training sessions, (the rest of us have to have a coach in Dublin training groups that can't afford to live / work at home)

Home games in the league are in Croker rather than Parnell park allowing Dublin free practice runs for the Championship

"Soft" jobs, in Dublin beside where they live.

The Dubs are almost a full time professional team akin to an Aussie Rules outfit.

Now, you list any advantages the other teams have over Dublin?

Kerry have nicer jerseys?

[Dinny Breen]

so, Dublin have 2,060 club teams in total (adult+youth combined, from 2017 insurance report) and Longford have 211, but the argument is that both have 1 intercounty team so you ignore the amount of club work needed and just fund them equally ?

agh now seriously ! Even look at the amount of kids there are and the amount of coaching resources needed to cover them.

Maybe take the number of primary school kids as representative of the job of work that a county board has in training young players in schools. (Yes, some younger kids wont be trained, but as a comparison between a big county and a small county to work out ratios it is a reasonable start)
In Longford theres 5,365 kids in primary schools that the county board has to reach/ introduce the games to.
In Dublin theres 142,815 kids in primary schools that they are looking to expose to gaelic games.
That's 26 times more kids in Dublin than Longford, so to argue that both boards need equal (kids) development resources just because they have both 1 intercounty football team is a non argument.
Last year Dublin got €1.29million, Longford €120k in games development grants, 10 times more, yet they have 26 times more kids, so if you wanted to argue anything then Dublin could be said to be chronically underfunded per capita than the likes of Longford !

Compare it to Kildare instead (mentioned in the quoted article) where theres 29,748 school pupils, meaning Dublin has 4.8 times the amount of kids as Kildare. Kildare got €226k in central development grants last year, meaning that Dublin got 5.7 times the development grants that Kildare got - so in this case Dublin are over funded but not a 20 fold, 2000% difference like the article from Colm Keyes makes out.
(€40k extra for Kildare would leave them the same proportionate to the number of kids in their catchment )

CSO primary school stats : https://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=EDA57&PLanguage=0

its interesting to see how you can use stats associated with the numbers of kids in each county, kids who are the actual target for all this development spending, and when you aren't a paid journalist being told to make a headline grabbing article against the Dubs (for a paper whose main sales are outside the capital), you can show that the funding for Dublin mightn't be as crazily imbalanced as some make out.

Dublin have 26times more kids than a small county like Longford, and that has to be factored in in some way or other when claiming they get too much.

The best argument yet I have seen to split Dublin into 4. They have the population of a province, the funding of a province yet still only have a pathway to 1 inter-county team.

Fingal GAA, Dun Laoghaire GAA, Dublin City GAA and South Dublin GAA need to become a reality.

[seafoid]

so, Dublin have 2,060 club teams in total (adult+youth combined, from 2017 insurance report) and Longford have 211, but the argument is that both have 1 intercounty team so you ignore the amount of club work needed and just fund them equally ?

agh now seriously ! Even look at the amount of kids there are and the amount of coaching resources needed to cover them.

Maybe take the number of primary school kids as representative of the job of work that a county board has in training young players in schools. (Yes, some younger kids wont be trained, but as a comparison between a big county and a small county to work out ratios it is a reasonable start)
In Longford theres 5,365 kids in primary schools that the county board has to reach/ introduce the games to.
In Dublin theres 142,815 kids in primary schools that they are looking to expose to gaelic games.
That's 26 times more kids in Dublin than Longford, so to argue that both boards need equal (kids) development resources just because they have both 1 intercounty football team is a non argument.
Last year Dublin got €1.29million, Longford €120k in games development grants, 10 times more, yet they have 26 times more kids, so if you wanted to argue anything then Dublin could be said to be chronically underfunded per capita than the likes of Longford !

Compare it to Kildare instead (mentioned in the quoted article) where theres 29,748 school pupils, meaning Dublin has 4.8 times the amount of kids as Kildare. Kildare got €226k in central development grants last year, meaning that Dublin got 5.7 times the development grants that Kildare got - so in this case Dublin are over funded but not a 20 fold, 2000% difference like the article from Colm Keyes makes out.
(€40k extra for Kildare would leave them the same proportionate to the number of kids in their catchment )

CSO primary school stats : https://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=EDA57&PLanguage=0

its interesting to see how you can use stats associated with the numbers of kids in each county, kids who are the actual target for all this development spending, and when you aren't a paid journalist being told to make a headline grabbing article against the Dubs (for a paper whose main sales are outside the capital), you can show that the funding for Dublin mightn't be as crazily imbalanced as some make out.

Dublin have 26times more kids than a small county like Longford, and that has to be factored in in some way or other when claiming they get too much.

The original idea was to counter the perceived threat from soccer and rugby by expanding the reach of Gaelic football. An unintended consequence is the destruction of the all Ireland championship. A reasonable number of losses to soccer and rugby would be an acceptable price to pay for the restoration of the championship.

[Lone Shark]

so, Dublin have 2,060 club teams in total (adult+youth combined, from 2017 insurance report) and Longford have 211, but the argument is that both have 1 intercounty team so you ignore the amount of club work needed and just fund them equally ?

agh now seriously ! Even look at the amount of kids there are and the amount of coaching resources needed to cover them.

Maybe take the number of primary school kids as representative of the job of work that a county board has in training young players in schools. (Yes, some younger kids wont be trained, but as a comparison between a big county and a small county to work out ratios it is a reasonable start)
In Longford theres 5,365 kids in primary schools that the county board has to reach/ introduce the games to.
In Dublin theres 142,815 kids in primary schools that they are looking to expose to gaelic games.

Several problems with this argument - first of all you can strip away the number of adult teams, because in every club, adults teams either should be, or are, self funding. Yes they cost money to run, but these are all grown adults who can fundraise by themselves. The GAA has a responsibility to ensure that all adults have access to games if they choose to play, but that's not what's at issue here.

Underage teams is different - of course there is an onus here to ensure that these teams have access to good coaching, to good infrastructure, and to a good environment generally, and Dublin needs to be funded to a greater degree.

However your primary school kids argument is nonsense, and this is where I have a huge issue with the hypocrisy of how Dublin is funded. Dubline love to claim, as you do here, that they are catering for 142,000 primary school pupils - but in fact, they completely ignore huge chunks of that. If you're a primary school student in Dublin 8, or in Finglas, or in the Dublin city centre, they don't even have a convenient club to send you to - so over 90% of these children never kick a ball outside of their school, or if they do, they don't stay at it. I would have no problem whatsoever with the GAA spending huge money on providing suitable infrastructure for clubs in these areas, or indeed other areas that are deprived of proper social amenities, because that's the type of organisation we should be.

But instead the money gets spent on making sure that clubs with oodles of volunteers still have access to their own GPO, either on a full time basis or split with one other club - because that's a lot more efficient when it comes to producing good county teams.

Let's put it another way. Last year, around 80 teams were entered in minor club football in Dublin - roughly four or five times the amount of teams that are entered in counties like Roscommon, Westmeath, Longford and Offaly, that I'd be familiar with.

If Dublin are getting 20 times the development money, they aren't using it well. But they're doing a bang up job of producing elite players, there's no problem there.

[TheGreatest]

so, Dublin have 2,060 club teams in total (adult+youth combined, from 2017 insurance report) and Longford have 211, but the argument is that both have 1 intercounty team so you ignore the amount of club work needed and just fund them equally ?

agh now seriously ! Even look at the amount of kids there are and the amount of coaching resources needed to cover them.

Maybe take the number of primary school kids as representative of the job of work that a county board has in training young players in schools. (Yes, some younger kids wont be trained, but as a comparison between a big county and a small county to work out ratios it is a reasonable start)
In Longford theres 5,365 kids in primary schools that the county board has to reach/ introduce the games to.
In Dublin theres 142,815 kids in primary schools that they are looking to expose to gaelic games.
That's 26 times more kids in Dublin than Longford, so to argue that both boards need equal (kids) development resources just because they have both 1 intercounty football team is a non argument.
Last year Dublin got €1.29million, Longford €120k in games development grants, 10 times more, yet they have 26 times more kids, so if you wanted to argue anything then Dublin could be said to be chronically underfunded per capita than the likes of Longford !

Compare it to Kildare instead (mentioned in the quoted article) where theres 29,748 school pupils, meaning Dublin has 4.8 times the amount of kids as Kildare. Kildare got €226k in central development grants last year, meaning that Dublin got 5.7 times the development grants that Kildare got - so in this case Dublin are over funded but not a 20 fold, 2000% difference like the article from Colm Keyes makes out.
(€40k extra for Kildare would leave them the same proportionate to the number of kids in their catchment )

CSO primary school stats : https://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=EDA57&PLanguage=0

its interesting to see how you can use stats associated with the numbers of kids in each county, kids who are the actual target for all this development spending, and when you aren't a paid journalist being told to make a headline grabbing article against the Dubs (for a paper whose main sales are outside the capital), you can show that the funding for Dublin mightn't be as crazily imbalanced as some make out.

Dublin have 26times more kids than a small county like Longford, and that has to be factored in in some way or other when claiming they get too much.

The best argument yet I have seen to split Dublin into 4. They have the population of a province, the funding of a province yet still only have a pathway to 1 inter-county team.

Fingal GAA, Dun Laoghaire GAA, Dublin City GAA and South Dublin GAA need to become a reality.

Will never happen I am afraid. I can speak for others but I would not support any of those teams, I would also be careful what you wish for, two of those teams would complete near the business end of the championship on an annual basis.

[Syferus]

Troll account says trolly things. Shocked.

Doesn't actually matter what the locals think anyways, it's up to the other country boards to put the health of the sport ahead of short term pnetary gain and force those four existing counties to play like counties. They're not turkeys who will vote for Christmas anyways so their role in that decision is going to be minimal.

And no, I don't care one bit if it means that some years we end up with all-capital pairings in the AISFs or even the AI final - the health of the game overall will be so much better. The idea that playing 25% of 'County' Dublin is less desirable than playing the entirety of it is absurd.

[Falcao]

Can you list the advantages that this Dublin team are getting from this unproven inequality to help them win the all-irelands? What have they got access to that their closest rivals - Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone don't have?

All players live in Dublin >> Not related to money

One to one access to nutritionists, dietitians, yoga(ians)(ists?) >> Not unique to Dublin

ditto physios and the like >> Not unique to Dublin

Meals delivered to their doors >> Not unique to Dublin: https://www.instagram.com/p/BYHGFZyAH9S/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_loading_state_control

Cars >> Not unique to Dublin

The army

Access to early morning training sessions (again living in Dublin) >> Not related to Money or unique to Dublin

Full time life style coach >> Don't think they have anyone in this role full time at the moment, is it Bernard Dunne? He is the High Performance Director for Irish Boxing so couldn't be doing the life style coach role with Dublin full time

Access to sports science department in UCD >> Other top teams have access to excellent facilities as well

Close to sports injury clinic >> Not related to Money

No late night drives home after training sessions >> Not related to Money

All weather training facilities >> Not unique to Dublin

Unified training sessions, (the rest of us have to have a coach in Dublin training groups that can't afford to live / work at home) >> Not related to Money

Home games in the league are in Croker rather than Parnell park allowing Dublin free practice runs for the Championship >> Not related to Money

"Soft" jobs, in Dublin beside where they live. >> All Dublin players have full time jobs or study. Evidence is that players outside Dublin have soft jobs. Colm Cooper said himself he had it handy in the bank. Darren O'Sullivan and Karl Lacey both jacked in jobs in the past to concentrate more on their football

The Dubs are almost a full time professional team akin to an Aussie Rules outfit. >> No they work full time and train in their spare time, they are nothing like an Aussie Rules outfit, good that you included that one though as it shows that you are not interested in making a reasonable argument

Now, you list any advantages the other teams have over Dublin?

[Falcao]

so, Dublin have 2,060 club teams in total (adult+youth combined, from 2017 insurance report) and Longford have 211, but the argument is that both have 1 intercounty team so you ignore the amount of club work needed and just fund them equally ?

agh now seriously ! Even look at the amount of kids there are and the amount of coaching resources needed to cover them.

Maybe take the number of primary school kids as representative of the job of work that a county board has in training young players in schools. (Yes, some younger kids wont be trained, but as a comparison between a big county and a small county to work out ratios it is a reasonable start)
In Longford theres 5,365 kids in primary schools that the county board has to reach/ introduce the games to.
In Dublin theres 142,815 kids in primary schools that they are looking to expose to gaelic games.
That's 26 times more kids in Dublin than Longford, so to argue that both boards need equal (kids) development resources just because they have both 1 intercounty football team is a non argument.
Last year Dublin got €1.29million, Longford €120k in games development grants, 10 times more, yet they have 26 times more kids, so if you wanted to argue anything then Dublin could be said to be chronically underfunded per capita than the likes of Longford !

Compare it to Kildare instead (mentioned in the quoted article) where theres 29,748 school pupils, meaning Dublin has 4.8 times the amount of kids as Kildare. Kildare got €226k in central development grants last year, meaning that Dublin got 5.7 times the development grants that Kildare got - so in this case Dublin are over funded but not a 20 fold, 2000% difference like the article from Colm Keyes makes out.
(€40k extra for Kildare would leave them the same proportionate to the number of kids in their catchment )

CSO primary school stats : https://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=EDA57&PLanguage=0

its interesting to see how you can use stats associated with the numbers of kids in each county, kids who are the actual target for all this development spending, and when you aren't a paid journalist being told to make a headline grabbing article against the Dubs (for a paper whose main sales are outside the capital), you can show that the funding for Dublin mightn't be as crazily imbalanced as some make out.

Dublin have 26times more kids than a small county like Longford, and that has to be factored in in some way or other when claiming they get too much.

The best argument yet I have seen to split Dublin into 4. They have the population of a province, the funding of a province yet still only have a pathway to 1 inter-county team.

Fingal GAA, Dun Laoghaire GAA, Dublin City GAA and South Dublin GAA need to become a reality.

But they don't have the playing population of a province or anywhere close

[Lone Shark]

All players live in Dublin >> Not related to money

Of course it is - it's related to the general concentration of wealth and employment in one area of the country. It's not related to Dublin GAA money specifically, but it is a huge natural advantage that exists in the capital

One to one access to nutritionists, dietitians, yoga(ians)(ists?) >> Not unique to Dublin
ditto physios and the like >> Not unique to Dublin

These are all huge expenses for a county board to bear, and quite often corners have to be cut - not always in Kerry, or Mayo, but in the vast majority of counties. However in Dublin there are professionals willing to take on these roles purely for the promotional value of working with Dublin GAA, while the vast sums of money given to the county by the likes of AIG in sponsorship means that there's no such thing as a treasurer deciding whether or not this particular expense can be incurred - they just sign the cheque.

Meals delivered to their doors >> Not unique to Dublin: https://www.instagram.com/p/BYHGFZyAH9S/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_loading_state_control
Cars >> Not unique to Dublin

And you'll see from the picture there, it's a handful of truly elite players that have access to that sort of service or perk. There's no doubt that if you're an All Star calibre player from down the country, there will be businesses looking to piggyback on your fame. I have very mixed feelings on this and suspect it would be a positive move for the taxman get involved here, but the key point it is a huge advantage to Dublin, because while your picture shows Damien Comer getting free grub there, the difference is that in Dublin, it's provided to every member of the panel. The same with the free cars, the €750 per pop media gigs, and all the rest of it - in Dublin, all members of the panel get access, because Jim Gavin won't have it any other way - and he knows that he can hold a hard line on it, because companies will fall in line. If Kevin Walsh tried the same thing in Galway, all he'd end up doing is deprive Comer or Shane Walsh of some freebies, because the relevant companies would say feck off, and go to a MAyo footballer, or a Galway hurler, or a Connacht rugby player instead.

The army

Access to early morning training sessions (again living in Dublin) >> Not related to Money or unique to Dublin

Eamon Donoghue in the Irish times put together an excellent piece on this earlier this year - Dublin and Kildare were the only two counties where all the players were based at home. An early morning collective session is simply not an option if your players are based over an hour's drive away - and that's the reality for most counties.

Access to sports science department in UCD >> Other top teams have access to excellent facilities as well

Close to sports injury clinic >> Not related to Money

No late night drives home after training sessions >> Not related to Money

All weather training facilities >> Not unique to Dublin

Unified training sessions, (the rest of us have to have a coach in Dublin training groups that can't afford to live / work at home) >> Not related to Money

On all of these things, I think we can accept the point that there are some other teams that have the same facilities that Dublin do - but in each case, it's a small handful of teams, and none of them have all of these facilities. Cork might have sports science on their doorstep, but they've no training facility. Leitrim have the all weather training facility, but their players are all over the country.

Home games in the league are in Croker rather than Parnell park allowing Dublin free practice runs for the Championship >> Not related to Money

Not related to money, but it is an advantage. Dublin played one game out side of Croke Park in this year's championship, they won by three points. They played seven games in Croke Park , their smallest winning margin was 5 points and their average margin was 13.4.




Dublin will always have a higher profile, they'll always draw the biggest sponsorship deal, and they'll always have the biggest population. That's never going to change, and while there are those who would call for Dublin to be split up into four counties, I personally wouldn't like that to happen unless Dublin GAA wanted it. I'll put it this way - I would have less than zero interest in a joint Offaly/Laois team, because that's not an entity that means anything to me. I would be disgusted and furious if such a thing was foisted upon my county, and I'd be a hypocrite if I said that changing the geography of another county against their will would be fair game.

But it is incumbent upon the GAA to ensure that if there are certain facilities and services available to players, every effort should be made to ensure that they are available to all players. And it's not as simple as saying that if Dublin have it, and Kerry have it, then that's fine - feck the rest of them. There is plenty that could be done to equalise sponsorship deals, to ensure that money spent on player development is tied to getting young players into our games, not just funding elite professional standard training for the best 10% of them, and there is plenty that could be done to make sure that if some counties have large mileage bills, then those are centralised, and we don't end up with this farcical situation that player mileage - one of the biggest single expenses for half the counties in the country - is something that Dublin can look after with the change they find down the back of the couch.

[highorlow]

All players live in Dublin >> Not related to money, It sure is,

where do you think all the work / jobs that the Dubs players are given exist? in Ballyhaunis?

One to one access to nutritionists, dietitians, yoga(ians)(ists?) >> Not unique to Dublin, it is, they don't have to travel miles to see them

ditto physios and the like >> Not unique to Dubin as above

Meals delivered to their doors >> Not unique to Dublin:

Cars >> Not unique to Dublin all the players have cars

The army

Access to early morning training sessions (again living in Dublin) >> Not related to Money or unique to Dublin it is, all players live and work / have jobs at home which is linked to money

Full time life style coach >> Don't think they have anyone in this role full time at the moment, is it Bernard Dunne? He is the High Performance Director for Irish Boxing so couldn't be doing the life style coach role with Dublin full time full time coachs

Access to sports science department in UCD >> Other top teams have access to excellent facilities as well expand?

Close to sports injury clinic >> Not related to Money as above, location

No late night drives home after training sessions >> Not related to Money same answer regarding logistics

All weather training facilities >> Not unique to Dublin

Unified training sessions, (the rest of us have to have a coach in Dublin training groups that can't afford to live / work at home) >> Not related to Money same argument as the jobs argument

Home games in the league are in Croker rather than Parnell park allowing Dublin free practice runs for the Championship >> Not related to Money ask the GAA this one, oh wait, its health and safety

"Soft" jobs, in Dublin beside where they live. >> All Dublin players have full time jobs or study. Evidence is that players outside Dublin have soft jobs. Colm Cooper said himself he had it handy in the bank. Darren O'Sullivan and Karl Lacey both jacked in jobs in the past to concentrate more on their football and your point is?

The Dubs are almost a full time professional team akin to an Aussie Rules outfit. >> No they work full time and train in their spare time, they are nothing like an Aussie Rules outfit, good that you included that one though as it shows that you are not interested in making a reasonable argument it's a reasonable comparision

Now, you list any advantages the other teams have over Dublin?

silence on my question

[Syferus]

Splitting != amalgamation

Also the idea that new teams won't be supported in the fullness of time is short sighted in the extreme. The whole idea is centred on short term pain but long term sustainability. Dublin playing any other team in its current state is what's unsustainable.

[Baile Brigín 2]

so, Dublin have 2,060 club teams in total (adult+youth combined, from 2017 insurance report) and Longford have 211, but the argument is that both have 1 intercounty team so you ignore the amount of club work needed and just fund them equally ?

agh now seriously ! Even look at the amount of kids there are and the amount of coaching resources needed to cover them.

Maybe take the number of primary school kids as representative of the job of work that a county board has in training young players in schools. (Yes, some younger kids wont be trained, but as a comparison between a big county and a small county to work out ratios it is a reasonable start)
In Longford theres 5,365 kids in primary schools that the county board has to reach/ introduce the games to.
In Dublin theres 142,815 kids in primary schools that they are looking to expose to gaelic games.
That's 26 times more kids in Dublin than Longford, so to argue that both boards need equal (kids) development resources just because they have both 1 intercounty football team is a non argument.
Last year Dublin got €1.29million, Longford €120k in games development grants, 10 times more, yet they have 26 times more kids, so if you wanted to argue anything then Dublin could be said to be chronically underfunded per capita than the likes of Longford !

Compare it to Kildare instead (mentioned in the quoted article) where theres 29,748 school pupils, meaning Dublin has 4.8 times the amount of kids as Kildare. Kildare got €226k in central development grants last year, meaning that Dublin got 5.7 times the development grants that Kildare got - so in this case Dublin are over funded but not a 20 fold, 2000% difference like the article from Colm Keyes makes out.
(€40k extra for Kildare would leave them the same proportionate to the number of kids in their catchment )

CSO primary school stats : https://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=EDA57&PLanguage=0

its interesting to see how you can use stats associated with the numbers of kids in each county, kids who are the actual target for all this development spending, and when you aren't a paid journalist being told to make a headline grabbing article against the Dubs (for a paper whose main sales are outside the capital), you can show that the funding for Dublin mightn't be as crazily imbalanced as some make out.

Dublin have 26times more kids than a small county like Longford, and that has to be factored in in some way or other when claiming they get too much.

And Longford were super competitive until the funding issue....

Its 40 years since the second least populated county won anything. By all means use a traditionally competitive county who are falling behind. But Longford are exactly where they always were.

[Falcao]

Debunk away so, enlighten us?

Counties receive dev funding from central and provincial councils. Ewans numbers only cover central council funding they ignore provincial council funding. 60% ( or approx 5m) of games dev funding is distributed via the provincial councils each year. Surely you cannot come to conclusions on funding based on only 40% of the data. If you apply for a mortgage you need to show the bank manager all of your accounts not just the one that makes your case look good.

Ewan uses this method as it suits his agenda because there is one key difference between Dublin and other counties. Dubs receive the bulk of their funding from central council, where as the opposite is true for the other counties, they all receive the majority of their funding from their provincial council. Therefore by just using central council funding the numbers are skewed misleadingly against Dublin.

The other thing he does to get his headline grabbing numbers is divide the total funding by no. of registered gaa players in the county. Which is also completely misleading as it is common knowledge that these funds are also used to coach non registered kids in schools.

Would you agree based on the above that his numbers are incorrect and have been debunked?

Show us the money, not anecdotal evidence. Show us the accounts and break it down you are are the one attempting a debunk, we have all seen the figures from Central Council so show us the Leinster Council Break down over the last 14 years. While you are at it, also show us where any county outside capital projects got direct governement funding for games development!

The figures from Leinster broken down by county are not available. As Ewan doesn't include these numbers, I don't need these numbers to debunk his. In his article he states that Dublin were given 16m in GD funding and Tyrone were given 560k. He doesn't state that this is Central council only or Provincial Council only, therefore he is saying these are the amounts of total GD funding received. I have already proved that this is incorrect so the numbers in his article have been proven to be false as it is a fact that all counties also receive GD funds from their provincial council.

How ridiculous is it to analyse one stream of the funding, come to final figures, not even disclose that these figures do not cover all funding distributed and state that this proves Dublin are financially doped.

I have seen figures from the Leinster Council for 2015 & 2016 where they have some details on games development funding. In these years they have 4.5m and 4.8m funding respectively. Both years have 240k assigned to Dublin Coaching Project, which is approx 5% of the total, leaving a whopping 8.8m that people seem to be presuming that the bulk of which, without any evidence whatsoever goes to Dublin.

You can't debunk something with conjecture, show us the Leinster Council figures, marry them to the Central Council figures which are available and show a clear ridiculous bias to Dublin.

Even take your 9.3 million from the Leinster Council, 480K of that was ring fenced for Dublin. So 5% already is unavailable to other counties, can you provide numerical evidence that none of that remaining 95% goes towards Dublin.

What we do know is that is over the last 14 years Dublin has received in excess including CC and LC funding of 1.5m a year. If you split for arguments sake 4.5m per year evenly between 11 counties at most each county gets 400K per year. So allowing for LC games development funding Dublin are still getting 4 times funding greater than any Leinster county all things being equal. And I doubt there was over 4m a year available to Leinster counties over the last 14 years.

Why is the bar set so high for me to prove Dublin have not been financially doped while you are willing to believe they are based on figures that have been shown to be incomplete and only cover a fraction of funding distributed? Did you ever ask Ewan MacKenna to include the provincial funding in his figures? Why not? Double Standards. No one has the Leinster Council figures broken down by county because they are not in the public domain. But there is 4 million plus funding there (maybe a bit less going back the 14 years) for the Leinster Council to distribute which would greatly change the funding per capita totals for each county.

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The other option is to do what soccer do.

40/40/20 split on the gate for all championship games plus home team in league keeps the lot.

I reckon the Dubs would win in said scenario and there woild be no issues around central funding. Because there would be none.