Boxing Thread

[Syferus]

Frampton showed great character and composure to come back from that nightmare of a first round.

Biggest winner of the night is Eddie Hearn. His bargaining power to make Frampton vs Quigg happen on matchroom's terms looking a whole lot healthier after tonight's proceedings.

Doubt it highly. Framps fought a tough Mexican in borderland USA on a canvas clearly designed for Chavez Jr. - he pull the exact same BS in the Andy Lee fight. Quit had the royal treatment at home. The pace on a proper canvas in Manchester was a world away. Kiko is exciting but so fecking full of holes it isn't funny.

McGuigan will be no more receptive to hardball by Hearn now that his fighter has a profile in the States.

Let's not get carried away. He's had one fight in a half empty arena in the middle of the afternoon. He does not "have a profile" just yet.

It's being aired nationally on CBS - people in the States will know Frampton's name and after an exciting fight like that he'll be flooded with card offers in the States. I'm not fecking saying he's going to be main-eventing in the MGM. Quigg wouldn't be known from Adam even in casual boxing circles in the U.S.

He now has more options and isn't as reliant on the Framps-Quigg fight to make money as Quigg is. Unless Hearn cops that he can't play hardball and gets serious I fully expect Frampton to call his bluff and build his profile in the States and forget about the Quigg fight in the near term.

[SHEEDY]

Thought Crolla was robbed there especially with the 2 point deduction. How can 3 judges score it so different?

[gallsman]

Frampton showed great character and composure to come back from that nightmare of a first round.

Biggest winner of the night is Eddie Hearn. His bargaining power to make Frampton vs Quigg happen on matchroom's terms looking a whole lot healthier after tonight's proceedings.

Doubt it highly. Framps fought a tough Mexican in borderland USA on a canvas clearly designed for Chavez Jr. - he pull the exact same BS in the Andy Lee fight. Quit had the royal treatment at home. The pace on a proper canvas in Manchester was a world away. Kiko is exciting but so fecking full of holes it isn't funny.

McGuigan will be no more receptive to hardball by Hearn now that his fighter has a profile in the States.

Let's not get carried away. He's had one fight in a half empty arena in the middle of the afternoon. He does not "have a profile" just yet.

It's being aired nationally on CBS - people in the States will know Frampton's name and after an exciting fight like that he'll be flooded with card offers in the States. I'm not fecking saying he's going to be main-eventing in the MGM. Quigg wouldn't be known from Adam even in casual boxing circles in the U.S.

He now has more options and isn't as reliant on the Framps-Quigg fight to make money as Quigg is. Unless Hearn cops that he can't play hardball and gets serious I fully expect Frampton to call his bluff and build his profile in the States and forget about the Quigg fight in the near term.

If Rigo goes up to fight Lomachenko, who's left in the division for him to fight AND make serious money off? Quigg is his cash cow at super bantam. I don't think he has the size for feather so Santa Cruz, Mares etc all looking like very, very long shots in my book

[BennyHarp]

Frampton showed great character and composure to come back from that nightmare of a first round.

Biggest winner of the night is Eddie Hearn. His bargaining power to make Frampton vs Quigg happen on matchroom's terms looking a whole lot healthier after tonight's proceedings.

Doubt it highly. Framps fought a tough Mexican in borderland USA on a canvas clearly designed for Chavez Jr. - he pull the exact same BS in the Andy Lee fight. Quit had the royal treatment at home. The pace on a proper canvas in Manchester was a world away. Kiko is exciting but so fecking full of holes it isn't funny.

McGuigan will be no more receptive to hardball by Hearn now that his fighter has a profile in the States.

Let's not get carried away. He's had one fight in a half empty arena in the middle of the afternoon. He does not "have a profile" just yet.

It's being aired nationally on CBS - people in the States will know Frampton's name and after an exciting fight like that he'll be flooded with card offers in the States. Quigg wouldn't be known from Adam even in casual boxing circles in the U.S.

He now has much more options and isn't as reliant on the Framps-Quigg fight  to make money as Quigg is. Unless Hearn cops that he can't play hardball and gets serious I fully expect Frampton to call his bluff and build his profile in the States and forget about the Quigg fight in the near term.

Frampton won't make anywhere near as much money for a fight in the U.S as he will fighting Quigg in Manchester or Belfast. Profile is all very well but who is the opponent that the America public are crying out for Frampton to fight? He will fill under cards in America and no more. The Quigg fight will happen, just a matter of who will be in the best position to negotiate the highest percentage when it does. Tonight shifted that power very slightly towards Quigg as he was very impressive.

[Atticus_Finch]

Crolla's definitely hard done by there.  Thought the points deductions would have seen him through.

Who do you see as being one of these fighters that would be looking for Frampton and which would make for a big fight in the states Syferus ?

Milltown expecting a post from you. Not meaning to come across as negative towards Carl here, I'm a fan as you know.  Just think tonight has an impact on what his next steps are.

[ONeill]

Frampton was shown up tonight as an OK fighter. Same as McCloskey - he looks good against hand-picked warm-ups but as soon as you go looking for genuine fighters they'll struggle.

[Syferus]

Frampton was shown up tonight as an OK fighter. Same as McCloskey - he looks good against hand-picked warm-ups but as soon as you go looking for genuine fighters they'll struggle.

Frampton is leagues beyond someone like McCloskey. He's already proven to be in the top bracket in the world in his weight. I can't believe you'd even type that with a straight face ONiell.

[ONeill]

Maybe. But I know I'm correct. He didn't do it tonight against someone ranked 13th in his own country's rankings for that weight.

Explain how he proved he's in the top bracket?

[Syferus]

Maybe. But I know I'm correct. He didn't do it tonight against someone ranked 13th in his own country's rankings for that weight.

Explain how he proved he's in the top bracket?

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/jr-featherweight

He is literally in the top two in the world in the most respected world rankings in boxing. He's been ranked in the top ten in the world for almost three years straight to boot. You've compared him to someone who never looked at comfort outside of European level. It's a mad comparison to make ONeill.

[ONeill]

Which fight made you realise he's in the top bracket?

[Syferus]

Which fight made you realise he's in the top bracket?

Since I first saw Frampton he's looked classy. He's progressively got better and better over the last few years. A tough fight in America changes féck all. Indeed tough might be pushing what happened - after the first round Frampton controlled that fight bar maybe the 9th and 10th rounds. Trying to use that performance as a stick to beat him in the face of his body of work is a little OTT to say the least.

[ONeill]

Which fight made you realise he's in the top bracket?

[Milltown Row2]

Crolla's definitely hard done by there.  Thought the points deductions would have seen him through.

Who do you see as being one of these fighters that would be looking for Frampton and which would make for a big fight in the states Syferus ?

Milltown expecting a post from you. Not meaning to come across as negative towards Carl here, I'm a fan as you know.  Just think tonight has an impact on what his next steps are.

What can I say, he dodged a bullet tonight in my book, was happy about this fight from the very start, originally he'd a fight in New york/Boston then it was changed to El Paso... I thought then and there he was being hijacked... My father inlaw (who's carls uncle) also thought this was a lot tighter than people predicted... I thought that his tactics were wrong probably down to not respecting the opponent and going for a knockout Carl looked heavy footed and had no fire in his belly... While the knockdowns were good hits I don't think they were punishing hits.. As for going up a weight that's silly, Carl is very small and he's been fighting at that weight easily for a lot of years and there has never been weight issues... The canvas was the same for both fighters.

I think on reflection he'll be glad to get home with the belt and rest up and reassess his options he's still the champion of a real belt. Quigg has done really well didn't expect it to be that easy but Carl is still the main event between the two of them....

Carl gave the Mexican great plaudits after the fight in fairness but probably gave out too many excuses for his poorer than expected performance.... I'd 20 people in house shouting at the tv last night! Some very relieved relatives when the correct decision was given

[Atticus_Finch]

Moving up in weight doesn't make sense.  I could be wrong but I thought he had said in interview about a week before the fight he was making weight fairly easy.  He had a height and reach disadvantage last night, moving up in weight will make that a common occurrence.

Fighting outside of Belfast was always going to be a big step, he's returning with a victory and while he hasn't performed as he wanted to, he is still amongst the best of his division and beats Scott Quigg if they meet.

Was surprised at the manner of the Quigg victory. i felt Martinez was going to be in with a real chance.  Need to watch the fight back but after the 1st round I thought Quigg had a tough night's work ahead of him.   Martinez could have been smarter and taken his time after the 1st knockdown rather than try get straight back up.  Flicked straight over to the Frampton fight and didn't see Martinez's post fight interview, not sure if he even did one but would be interested to hear his views on what happened.

[Milltown Row2]

Moving up in weight doesn't make sense.  I could be wrong but I thought he had said in interview about a week before the fight he was making weight fairly easy.  He had a height and reach disadvantage last night, moving up in weight will make that a common occurrence.

Fighting outside of Belfast was always going to be a big step, he's returning with a victory and while he hasn't performed as he wanted to, he is still amongst the best of his division and beats Scott Quigg if they meet.

Was surprised at the manner of the Quigg victory. i felt Martinez was going to be in with a real chance.  Need to watch the fight back but after the 1st round I thought Quigg had a tough night's work ahead of him.   Martinez could have been smarter and taken his time after the 1st knockdown rather than try get straight back up.  Flicked straight over to the Frampton fight and didn't see Martinez's post fight interview, not sure if he even did one but would be interested to hear his views on what happened.

He's always met the weight with no difficulty... Its just one of those fight seen him in Ulster Hall fighting a tall Scottish fighter which went the unexpected distance then also.... Lessons need to be learned when boxing these type of fighters, is this management?