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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: February 19, 2018, 07:10:49 PM »
Well why then are the statutory authorities not all over it and the Church being pulled apart for non compliance?
Fair question, Tony.

Because firstly the paperwork meets minimum safeguarding standards and the Church has used its legal resources to ensure that it cannot be sued by victims as all procedures are in place. However, while the alleged offender is stood down, two things happen:

1. If any action is taken it proceeds at a glacial pace with no referral to civil authorities and the main activity is to manage the media fallout to protect the reputation of the Church. Foot dragging of the worst order occurs. Look at the Finnegan case to see how long it took for the Church to deal with the matter and reach some conclusion for one victim of the many who have come forward.

2. No action is taken and the alleged abuser is left in limbo at least for many years and what looks left indefinitely, there are numerous examples of this across the country.  In every diocese there are priests who have been removed from frontline duty with no explanation and have been put into apparent exile for years.  However, in some cases the priest has refused to leave the parochial house and the parish is not informed what has been happening in reaching a conclusion.

This is not proper safeguarding procedures nor is it any form of natural justice for alleged abuser or the victims. However, it meets minimum standards as far as preventing any legal action against the Church being taken.

Have you recent evidence of the Church not following policy and procedures?

Another thing why should the Church be liable for the  actions of perverts masquerading as Priests? Were Peter Sutcliffe's employers open to be sued because he raped and killed winning while lorry driving?


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General discussion / Re: Silent Justice/ Internet Interceptors
« on: February 19, 2018, 07:05:50 PM »
Surprise surprise.Why does the establishment want to see the demise of these groups?

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General discussion / Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« on: February 18, 2018, 11:11:59 PM »
Celtic are not the same team without Broony.He drives them on..

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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: February 18, 2018, 09:03:21 PM »
Well why then are the statutory authorities not all over it and the Church being pulled apart for non compliance?

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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: February 18, 2018, 02:45:29 PM »
DD.Thanks for those comments.For the record I abhor Brendan Smyth,Finnegan and all the other perverts who have done untold damage to victims and to my Church.It is clear since the revelations of Savile 6 years ago that child abuse was rampant and woefully mishandled by all organisations.They followed the natural human instinct of self protection and this blinded them to any realisation far less concern for the plight of victims.This was totally wrong.

There is no safety in numbers defence for the church. All these organisations are condemned. The bigger the scale the greater the condemnation. This is logical.

If any of the organisations want an ongoing involvement with children the scrutiny will be greater. This is logical.

If any of these organisations claim to have moral authority or a role to play in moral instruction then the condemnation will be greater. This is also logical.

Only the anti logic brigade will have a difficulty with this

Bullshit.A handful of perverts do not reflect or invalidate the church,the
vast majority of its Priests or right to offer moral guidance and instruction

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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: February 18, 2018, 02:40:58 PM »
1.Sin of omission could be argued as could the case that Brady honestly informed his superiors and expected them to act effectively. Police knew about Finnegan but also did nothing.

2.Agreed.A victim of Finnegan's received a six figure compensation award.Two young girls who lost both parents at La Mon received £4k.

3.Are you saying the Church's current Protection Procedures are not up date or fit for purpose?

4.I didn't say it was unique but it dispels your statement that Canon Law protects abusers in the modern day.

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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: February 18, 2018, 12:21:42 PM »
Is that why it has by independent verification the most robust child and vulnerable adult protection procedures anywhere in the contemporary era which sees Priests automatically stood down when a mere allegation is levelled at them?

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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: February 18, 2018, 11:13:43 AM »
DD.Thanks for those comments.For the record I abhor Brendan Smyth,Finnegan and all the other perverts who have done untold damage to victims and to my Church.It is clear since the revelations of Savile 6 years ago that child abuse was rampant and woefully mishandled by all organisations.They followed the natural human instinct of self protection and this blinded them to any realisation far less concern for the plight of victims.This was totally wrong.

But the demonisation of individuals like Sean Brady and Bishop Mc Areavey for mistakes they made years ago (and they were let down by the system) gets on my goat.For what it's worth,much as we all totally abhor the crimes of Smyth Finnegan etc who is to say whether or not they made peace with God and atoned for their sins? It worked at the last minute for a guy beside Jesus on the cross. That's why the a church accords everyone a Christian funeral, and leaves final judgement to God.

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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: February 18, 2018, 09:13:45 AM »
Are you trying to break the record for most moronic posts in ten minutes? The Church has to have an input into the running of its own schools.Similarly the Church,not the parents,chooses who will administer its own sacraments,not the other way round.

If parents no longer want their children to have a catholic education,and the huge benefits that brings both academically and spiritually,let them withdraw their children and put them into an integrated or state school.

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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: February 18, 2018, 12:35:04 AM »
Because as I was growing up we were warned about shall we say certain grown ups and their unconventional activity.Anyway my mother would have spotted anything was wrong due to my demeanour

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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: February 18, 2018, 12:10:17 AM »
Yes.But I was at a school were a lay teacher,who was there in my time,was jailed for abuse and to be honest his reputation for this was known for years,and he had even a nickname which would have left no one in any doubt.

I am thankful I was never targeted,but nevertheless I feel I would not have  allowed it to happen,and I would most certainly have informed my parents.

By the way to say I "blame"parents is wide off the mark.There were failings at all levels.

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General discussion / Re: On this day.
« on: February 17, 2018, 11:32:44 PM »
I know and agree with you.But was there another atrocity where two young children lost both parents simultaneously.I am not saying the actual deed was worse than any of the ones you alluded to,but I only became aware of these two ladies and their loss of both parents when they had just entered their teens,at La Mon,a couple of years ago

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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: February 17, 2018, 11:25:43 PM »
I know of one such parent that Tony blames. This parent was born into a catholic home, a poor home, opportunities back in the late 40’s were few and far between, not every catholic got the chance to get educated at third level back then, instead she had to leave school at 14 to bring what ever income into the family home she could. At school she, like every other child was brow beaten into believing everything in the Catholic Church was sacred, the priest was infallible, salute the priest when you met them, their minds were systematically manipulated to the point where they were brain washed that the Catholic Church was infallible. Then we have the paedophilic priests who are treated the same as ‘safe priests’ because of this brainwashing as children in our catholic school system of the 40’s which has more or less remained the same up until recently where inspections and audits as well as educated parents ensures better practise and standards. These are the parents that Tony refers to, the parents who were a sponge  for a brainwashing system that conditioned these children who later became parents to not ever question the morality of the pedestal  priest, because they simply did not know any better. The church depended on these people who had little hope of a better life but clung unto ‘hope’ Hope of a better place in the next world.

You are in effect describing my own parents.They had no education,and believed in everything the Church said.But even though they were uneducated they were not brainwashed and would have let nobody take them for fools.Your dismissal of that generation is arrogant and condescending,and inaccurate,and does not reflect well on you.They had lives tougher than anything we could imagine but got on with it,not like the current educated snowflake generation.I don't think even the most ardent anti Catholic believes the Church facilitated child abuse.Without doubt the handling of the matter was woeful within the Church,as it was everywhere else,BBC,Professional football etc.Maybe we can all just agree that thankfully things are a hell of a lot better today,in terms of protection of the vulnerable.

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General discussion / Re: On this day.
« on: February 17, 2018, 10:14:05 PM »
One of the most heart breaking incidents in the troubles.Especially poignant was the tale of two young sisters,aged 14 and 13,who lost both of their parents at La Mon,but got away from here in their late teens to forge great careers and lives for themselves just to honour their parents.

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General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: February 17, 2018, 10:10:37 PM »
Zzzzzzzz.The only consolation I take is that this thread is not in any way representative of Public Opinion in the real world.That's why Bishop Mc Areavey (who apologised for errors of judgement honestly and did not deny he made any) remains on the Board of Governors of St Colmans and Sean Brady gets standing ovations at Armagh Finals.

They are,like scores of others,mere footnotes in the utterly depraved lives of Brendan Smyth and Malachy Finnegan.

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