Advertising banner with map of 'six counties' removed at GAA game :) ... thoughts... one at a time please...
http://www.irishnews.com/news/2016/09/12/news/banners-with-northern-ireland-map-removed-at-gaa-match-690737/
Coat trailing.
Fair enough. The complainant had a point
A bit stupid of donnellys. Would be ok at a saccar match...
Bit stupid, I'm sure there are many references to NI when it comes to plaques, posters for funding etc so why not remove them too? Here's a local company pumping money into Armagh and Tyrone football and a few thin skinned tyronies get all sensitive over a advertisement. Jesus wept
It may seem thin skinned, but if there were similar hoardings omitting the 6 counties at championships elsewhere in Ulster or further south, I think we'd find it a lot easier to see the issue.
If the NI map had been removed, there's still a problem with the .co.uk bit.
Quote from: haranguerer on September 13, 2016, 10:43:04 AM
It may seem thin skinned, but if there were similar hoardings omitting the 6 counties at championships elsewhere in Ulster or further south, I think we'd find it a lot easier to see the issue.
What exactly is the issue?
The issue is the depiction of northern ireland as a separate entity. If there is one organisation under which this shouldn't take place, its the GAA, given that its aims are to strengthen a 32 county national identity.
So does that mean that the GAA can't take grants from Stormont or by extension the 26 Co Dept of Sport?
Do MLAs get let into Gaelic games in the 6 Cos?
Did the Galballyites hear of the Good Friday Agreement?
Shades of removing Dúbhglás De hÍde as a patron back in the day.
None of that follows.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 13, 2016, 11:38:58 AM
So does that mean that the GAA can't take grants from Stormont or by extension the 26 Co Dept of Sport?
Do MLAs get let into Gaelic games in the 6 Cos?
Did the Galballyites hear of the Good Friday Agreement?
Shades of removing Dúbhglás De hÍde as a patron back in the day.
The GAA's official guide says that the association "is a national organisation which has as its basic aim the strengthening of the national identity in a 32 county Ireland through the preservation and promotion of Gaelic games and pastimes".
Above is correct. The principles of the GAA trump whatever money is thrown at it. Galbally member was right to remove them.
The dreary steeples.........
That oul' principle fair goes out the window when the oul £s are being applied for and accepted from Sportni ;)
'The dreary steeples...' wtf do you be on about? Appropriate person for you to be quoting tho, I have to say.
You should try to engage your brain the odd time tho.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 13, 2016, 11:38:58 AM
So does that mean that the GAA can't take grants from Stormont or by extension the 26 Co Dept of Sport?
Do MLAs get let into Gaelic games in the 6 Cos?
Did the Galballyites hear of the Good Friday Agreement?
Shades of removing Dúbhglás De hÍde as a patron back in the day.
Club member has an issue with a map on display. Have a little bit of perspective.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 13, 2016, 10:45:33 AM
If the NI map had been removed, there's still a problem with the .co.uk bit.
...and the Queen's head on the currency.
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 13, 2016, 12:52:29 AM
Fair enough. The complainant had a point
Point being he is a complete dick.
Quote from: muppet on September 13, 2016, 12:30:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 13, 2016, 10:45:33 AM
If the NI map had been removed, there's still a problem with the .co.uk bit.
...and the Queen's head on the currency.
He probably works for the public sector and so is employed by Westminster.
Quote from: muppet on September 13, 2016, 12:30:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 13, 2016, 10:45:33 AM
If the NI map had been removed, there's still a problem with the .co.uk bit.
...and the Queen's head on the currency.
Reductio ad absurdum
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on September 13, 2016, 11:58:10 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 13, 2016, 11:38:58 AM
So does that mean that the GAA can't take grants from Stormont or by extension the 26 Co Dept of Sport?
Do MLAs get let into Gaelic games in the 6 Cos?
Did the Galballyites hear of the Good Friday Agreement?
Shades of removing Dúbhglás De hÍde as a patron back in the day.
The GAA's official guide says that the association "is a national organisation which has as its basic aim the strengthening of the national identity in a 32 county Ireland through the preservation and promotion of Gaelic games and pastimes".
Above is correct. The principles of the GAA trump whatever money is thrown at it. Galbally member was right to remove them.
Guide says you should do your strengthening through preservation of promotion of Gaelic Games. This type of bolloxology does nothing to promote our games. In fact, it may even turn a few people off.
Allowing a sponsor to advertise the area he/she sells cars in isn't exactly in the realms of persecution or denying anyone their identity.
/Jim.
Quote from: vallankumous on September 13, 2016, 12:35:01 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 13, 2016, 12:30:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 13, 2016, 10:45:33 AM
If the NI map had been removed, there's still a problem with the .co.uk bit.
...and the Queen's head on the currency.
Reductio ad absurdum
Ex falso quodlibetThe breakdown in the logic occurs right at the beginning.
Quote from: muppet on September 13, 2016, 12:44:11 PM
The breakdown in the logic occurs right at the beginning.
Touché
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on September 13, 2016, 12:42:45 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on September 13, 2016, 11:58:10 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 13, 2016, 11:38:58 AM
So does that mean that the GAA can't take grants from Stormont or by extension the 26 Co Dept of Sport?
Do MLAs get let into Gaelic games in the 6 Cos?
Did the Galballyites hear of the Good Friday Agreement?
Shades of removing Dúbhglás De hÍde as a patron back in the day.
The GAA's official guide says that the association "is a national organisation which has as its basic aim the strengthening of the national identity in a 32 county Ireland through the preservation and promotion of Gaelic games and pastimes".
Above is correct. The principles of the GAA trump whatever money is thrown at it. Galbally member was right to remove them.
Guide says you should do your strengthening through preservation of promotion of Gaelic Games. This type of bolloxology does nothing to promote our games. In fact, it may even turn a few people off.
Allowing a sponsor to advertise the area he/she sells cars in isn't exactly in the realms of persecution or denying anyone their identity.
/Jim.
Excellent post /Jim.
Ridiculous backward thing to do. They were showing where they done business and have always endeavoured to do it cross community.
Galbally shouldn't get another championship game, simple!
I take it said Galbally member doesn't use pound sterling and avoids bbc NI on the tv ::)
Like I said here's a local business supporting the GAA and some (no doubt perennially offended) eejit rips down their advertisement because it has a wee drawing of the occupied 6 on it. Ireland is that wee bit closer to freedom now boys
I think this story needs a grain of salt.
Fair play to the Galbally gael, a six county map should never adore any GAA ground,, Donnelly Group should know better with Phillip Jordan in their management.
Obviously Jordan will have to be banned from GAA activities until he takes a Re Education course in Galbally, presumably delivered by the said "Gael".
Many Irish speakers in Galbally I wonder?
Quote from: Rossfan on September 13, 2016, 12:15:34 PM
The dreary steeples.........
That oul' principle fair goes out the window when the oul £s are being applied for and accepted from Sportni ;)
This type of analogy is offensive. As taxpayers GAA clubs should get their fare share of government funding. They should not be required to fly an Ulster flag to get it. They should also get their fare share of commercial funding without having to display maps of NI either. The company name should suffice without coat trailing maps.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 13, 2016, 03:53:33 PM
... coat trailing maps.
Yes, we have hit peak MOPERY!!!
/Jim.
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on September 13, 2016, 04:53:23 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 13, 2016, 03:53:33 PM
... coat trailing maps.
Yes, we have hit peak MOPERY!!!
/Jim.
Once someone refers to MOPERY you know that the person using it has no case and is a WUM to boot. The concept of MOPERY is that if there is some other set of people more oppressed in the world that Irish people have no right to complain. There is no reason why Irish people should be happy with an oppression even if they have it worse somewhere else.
Take your forelock tugging somewhere else.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 13, 2016, 04:59:58 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on September 13, 2016, 04:53:23 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 13, 2016, 03:53:33 PM
... coat trailing maps.
Yes, we have hit peak MOPERY!!!
/Jim.
Once someone refers to MOPERY you know that the person using it has no case and is a WUM to boot. The concept of MOPERY is that if there is some other set of people more oppressed in the world that Irish people have no right to complain. There is no reason why Irish people should be happy with an oppression even if they have it worse somewhere else.
Take your forelock tugging somewhere else.
Come on, do you really think that a business that pays money to support Gaelic Games and is capitalising by trying to gain customers, really put a map on the ad as a "coat trailing exercise"???
Do you genuinely think that Donnelly Group parted with money just to put up a Northern Ireland map?
I can't see other than:
1) They wanted to support the GAA, so they hardly wanted to coat-trail
2) They wanted to advertise to a big crowd, so they hardly wanted coat-trail
3) They wanted to coat-trail so they pay money to GAA to get a good place to coat-trail
To me 3 is a ridiculous conclusion.
/Jim.
Fair play to yer man for drawing attention to the fact that the Donnelly group does not operate in Counties Down or Armagh.
A sneaky piece of false advertising to customers from Armagh and Down who would be regular attendees at Pearses games.
It was all a ploy by Donnelly group !
All publicity is good publicity !!
(P.s. Their radio ads are annoying)
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on September 13, 2016, 05:07:40 PM
3) They wanted to coat-trail so they pay money to GAA to get a good place to coat-trail
To me 3 is a ridiculous conclusion.
What better place to coat trail? No point in doing at some OWC gig as they support this sort of carry on.
It's a matter of relative degrees of lunacy. Islamists just take their outrage at drawings a lot further.
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on September 13, 2016, 04:53:23 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 13, 2016, 03:53:33 PM
... coat trailing maps.
Yes, we have hit peak MOPERY!!!
/Jim.
Is MOPERY like thon and catching yourself on ie only used in NI? What does it mean?
Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2016, 10:17:36 AM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on September 13, 2016, 04:53:23 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 13, 2016, 03:53:33 PM
... coat trailing maps.
Yes, we have hit peak MOPERY!!!
/Jim.
Is MOPERY like thon and catching yourself on ie only used in NI? What does it mean?
Most Opressed People Ever.
Just read the above thread, a GAA sponsoring company logo can lead to a paroxysm of paranoia.
NI is not something the GAA recognises. I don't think it should be featured at GAA matches, any more than the butcher's apron should.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 13, 2016, 05:46:29 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on September 13, 2016, 05:07:40 PM
3) They wanted to coat-trail so they pay money to GAA to get a good place to coat-trail
To me 3 is a ridiculous conclusion.
What better place to coat trail? No point in doing at some OWC gig as they support this sort of carry on.
So you think that someone in this company said we will give sponsorship to the GAA and pay for an ad in the ground, all to annoy republicans with a map of Northern Ireland?
/Jim
Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2016, 01:26:36 PM
NI is not something the GAA recognises. I don't think it should be featured at GAA matches, any more than the butcher's apron should.
There is a difference between "featuring" and having a tacit acknowledgement of reality. The ad only reflects the fact that Donnelly's business is in a part of the world called Northern Ireland. Just like taking sterling at the stile acknowledges that Northern Ireland is part of the UK.
Plus as members of the GAA surely people want to promote the games?
Michael Hasson talks of "outreach to unionists" and Ulster Council signed up to "Sport Uniting Communities". It seems incongruous to say Ulster GAA wants unionists involved (and take grants for it through outreach schemes) but then sends the message that any mention or acknowledgement of Northern Ireland (even on the periphery) is unacceptable. If this club approves of what happened the ad, they should also table an object through County Board to GAA participation schemes like "Sport Uniting Communities" and cancel the "unionist outreach" as they involve recognising Northern Ireland is part of the UK.
/Jim.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 13, 2016, 04:59:58 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on September 13, 2016, 04:53:23 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 13, 2016, 03:53:33 PM
... coat trailing maps.
Yes, we have hit peak MOPERY!!!
/Jim.
Once someone refers to MOPERY you know that the person using it has no case and is a WUM to boot. The concept of MOPERY is that if there is some other set of people more oppressed in the world that Irish people have no right to complain. There is no reason why Irish people should be happy with an oppression even if they have it worse somewhere else.
Take your forelock tugging somewhere else.
Once someone refers to
MOPERY forelock tugging you know that the person using it has no case and is a WUM to boot.
/Jim
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on September 14, 2016, 02:57:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 13, 2016, 04:59:58 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on September 13, 2016, 04:53:23 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 13, 2016, 03:53:33 PM
... coat trailing maps.
Yes, we have hit peak MOPERY!!!
/Jim.
Once someone refers to MOPERY you know that the person using it has no case and is a WUM to boot. The concept of MOPERY is that if there is some other set of people more oppressed in the world that Irish people have no right to complain. There is no reason why Irish people should be happy with an oppression even if they have it worse somewhere else.
Take your forelock tugging somewhere else.
Once someone refers to MOPERY forelock tugging you know that the person using it has no case and is a WUM to boot.
/Jim
I'm not debating with someone who uses the term MOPERY. No doubt you think that forelock tugging is also a "tacit acknowledgement of reality" that some people are superior.
Northern Ireland is place whose existence is to ensure that a large proportion of the GAA community are second class citizens. If this not actually some form of coat trailing then the notion that using this as logo in a GAA ground as a means of selling more cars is a serious indictment of the quality of marketing education.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 14, 2016, 03:23:24 PM
If this not actually some form of coat trailing then the notion that using this as logo in a GAA ground as a means of selling more cars is a serious indictment of the quality of marketing education.
That I could buy: and it is a far cry from saying it is coat trailing. Like the old black card, intent is everything here.
Two genuine questions:
- If you see this a reminder of being a second class citizen, do you not see Ulster Council's outreach initiatives to unionists as a reminder too? (Seeing as it is specifically targeting people who believe Northern Ireland should exist)
Is the domain name ".co.uk" on an ad also a reminder and as such unwelcome in a GAA ground?
If no to these, why are the different to the picture on the ad?
/Jim.
Is the use of the 6 counties symbol not more a 'never thought about it' moment rather than any deliberate slight by the company. I know I saw one of the directors at an Armagh Intermediate championship match. I would assume that the sponsorship was a promotional rather than political decision.
Quote from: Throw ball on September 14, 2016, 03:48:18 PM
Is the use of the 6 counties symbol not more a 'never thought about it' moment rather than any deliberate slight by the company. I know I saw one of the directors at an Armagh Intermediate championship match. I would assume that the sponsorship was a promotional rather than political decision.
this is exactly it. A local sign maker would have put the sign together with an image file from the advertisers. Offending the easily offended was probably not a fore front of his thinking.
What if it was a small Tyrone based supermarket chain (with 6 shops) had an add featuring a map of the county of Tyrone with the location of the 6 supermarkets on it? you wouldn't need to see the rest of the country, only the area they have the locations in. Are we hating this as well?
The Donnelly group sell in a reck of locations in the north, and have a map to show the locations. The rest of the map would be empty if it showed the full 32 counties. Seriously, some boys are not happy unless they are feeling downtrodden
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on September 14, 2016, 02:56:01 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2016, 01:26:36 PM
NI is not something the GAA recognises. I don't think it should be featured at GAA matches, any more than the butcher's apron should.
There is a difference between "featuring" and having a tacit acknowledgement of reality. The ad only reflects the fact that Donnelly's business is in a part of the world called Northern Ireland. Just like taking sterling at the stile acknowledges that Northern Ireland is part of the UK.
Plus as members of the GAA surely people want to promote the games?
Michael Hasson talks of "outreach to unionists" and Ulster Council signed up to "Sport Uniting Communities". It seems incongruous to say Ulster GAA wants unionists involved (and take grants for it through outreach schemes) but then sends the message that any mention or acknowledgement of Northern Ireland (even on the periphery) is unacceptable. If this club approves of what happened the ad, they should also table an object through County Board to GAA participation schemes like "Sport Uniting Communities" and cancel the "unionist outreach" as they involve recognising Northern Ireland is part of the UK.
/Jim.
Sterling is the currency in use in NI so it's not comparable IMO.
NI is not a fact of nature. It's a political arrangement that the GAA as an all Ireland body does not recognise
If you want unionist outreach there are other ways of doing it
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If no to these, why are the different to the picture on the ad?
/Jim.
The use of .co.uk is a practicality, same as their address having a UK postcode, and their mobile numbers being UK ones. It is a separate jurisdiction, and there are many scenarios where that has to be accepted - queens head on the pound etc ::), but a banner at a GAA match shouldn't one of them.
Ulster council outreaches to unionists are not comparable at all. If your aim is the promotion of a 32 county Ireland, you'll have to promote it to unionists too ;)
I don't think anyone thinks its a deliberate slight, but its certainly an advertising faux pas, and was always likely to be highlighted.
Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2016, 04:06:19 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on September 14, 2016, 02:56:01 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2016, 01:26:36 PM
NI is not something the GAA recognises. I don't think it should be featured at GAA matches, any more than the butcher's apron should.
There is a difference between "featuring" and having a tacit acknowledgement of reality. The ad only reflects the fact that Donnelly's business is in a part of the world called Northern Ireland. Just like taking sterling at the stile acknowledges that Northern Ireland is part of the UK.
Plus as members of the GAA surely people want to promote the games?
Michael Hasson talks of "outreach to unionists" and Ulster Council signed up to "Sport Uniting Communities". It seems incongruous to say Ulster GAA wants unionists involved (and take grants for it through outreach schemes) but then sends the message that any mention or acknowledgement of Northern Ireland (even on the periphery) is unacceptable. If this club approves of what happened the ad, they should also table an object through County Board to GAA participation schemes like "Sport Uniting Communities" and cancel the "unionist outreach" as they involve recognising Northern Ireland is part of the UK.
/Jim.
Sterling is the currency in use in NI so it's not comparable IMO.
NI is not a fact of nature. It's a political arrangement that the GAA as an all Ireland body does not recognise
If you want unionist outreach there are other ways of doing it
I don't get the difference on the currency but maybe that is me. I don't think any state is "a fact of nature", they are all "political" by their nature.
It's not a case of me "wanting" unionist outreach, it is the GAA's published policy.
In essence this club are telling a 6 county business (which many are) that if they are showing a map with their outlets they need to add in the 26 counties (where they have no outlets) in case they remind anyone that Northern Ireland exists (albeit as a political arrangement)./Jim.
Quote from: haranguerer on September 14, 2016, 04:24:56 PM
The use of .co.uk is a practicality, same as their address having a UK postcode, and their mobile numbers being UK ones. It is a separate jurisdiction...
The purpose of the map was most likely to illustrate where their outlets were.
The fact that their outlets are all in Northern Ireland is also a practicality and a consequence of being in a separate jurisdiction.: Just like their domain name, postcode and phone numbers.
To me I don't get it but I can accept that some are offended by this. I am also glad that at least some acknowledge that it was likely to be an oversight than coat trailing of some sort. I also think it didn't do promotion of the games a service but obviously that is trumped by political sensitivities for some.
/Jim.
On a point of detail, their postcode and phone number is a function of where their premises are and nobody would note that in any way. The use of a co.uk website is a choice, and all other things being equal I would sooner do business with someone with a .ie address or at least a .com one.
I've heard it all now - not doing business with a company based on their website domain!
The banner is a non issue except for the easily offended amongst us which by the looks of is alive and well on the gaaboard.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 14, 2016, 06:10:31 PM
On a point of detail, their postcode and phone number is a function of where their premises are and nobody would note that in any way. The use of a co.uk website is a choice, and all other things being equal I would sooner do business with someone with a .ie address or at least a .com one.
Donnelly Group gave my club £50 when I bought a car from them back in Jan. That to me is more powerful than a domain name.
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2016, 06:25:14 PM
I've heard it all now - not doing business with a company based on their website domain!
The banner is a non issue except for the easily offended amongst us which by the looks of is alive and well on the gaaboard.
No problem, as noted above the GAA (and so Gaaboard) is for unionists too.
Shhhhhh Rois
The Galballyites will be round to take that British money off ye.
Such coat trailing :o
these idiots crying about the signage would be the same type of person who support English soccer teams which i have little time for, either go full die- hard f**king republican and be offending by everything, dont pick and chose what offends you, or catch a grip. Would a Donnelly group sign with just County Tyrone on it suit them?, And if Galbally ever took an grants or lotto funding funding from their english masters as they see it please f**king return it
They got a couple of hundred thousand from Sport NI a few years ago for the development of their grounds! No problem with the northern Ireland name back then it seems.
Does the Donnelly Group not sponsor NI soccer at Windsor Park? Petty.Dont they also sponsor club championships in Armagh and Tyrone?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 14, 2016, 08:31:11 PM
these idiots crying about the signage would be the same type of person who support English soccer teams which i have little time for, either go full die- hard f**king republican and be offending by everything, dont pick and chose what offends you, or catch a grip. Would a Donnelly group sign with just County Tyrone on it suit them?, And if Galbally ever took an grants or lotto funding funding from their english masters as they see it please f**king return it
The same boy wouldn't be supporting an English soccer team I can assure you ;D
Some of the advertising signs at our own ground and others state "Londonderry", should we pull them down?
Theres fcukrz comes into our ground coat trailing by handing pieces of paper with the queens head on it to the gate keepers.
This is Galbally we are talking about. One of the very hottest of hot beds of Republican activism.
Maybe the close (some might allege too close) association with a huge PSNI contract could have played a part too.
Not that that is a defense of course.
Quote from: winghalfun on September 15, 2016, 11:54:03 AM
This is Galbally we are talking about. One of the very hottest of hot beds of Republican activism.
Maybe the close (some might allege too close) association with a huge PSNI contract could have played a part too.
Not that that is a defense of course.
Don't see why that would be an issue as mainstream republicanism support policing in NI? Or is Galbally dissie territory? Whoever pulled the sign down is an eejit, this is the type of behaviour I expect from and ridicule unionists for. We'd all be laughing at some DUP clown if they done something similar
Quote from: Rossfan on September 13, 2016, 11:38:58 AM
So does that mean that the GAA can't take grants from Stormont or by extension the 26 Co Dept of Sport?
Do MLAs get let into Gaelic games in the 6 Cos?
Did the Galballyites hear of the Good Friday Agreement?
Shades of removing Dúbhglás De hÍde as a patron back in the day.
Such drivel. You are some gobshite.
Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2016, 06:25:14 PM
I've heard it all now - not doing business with a company based on their website domain!
Certainly would make you think twice about who you're doing business with and steer it another direction.
pretty much the same as anyone you know who chose to have a yahoo or Hotmail .co.uk email address. Certainly not to be relied upon.
Quote from: HiMucker on September 15, 2016, 10:28:44 AM
Some of the advertising signs at our own ground and others state "Londonderry", should we pull them down?
Yes
Quote from: Rois on September 14, 2016, 07:55:35 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 14, 2016, 06:10:31 PM
On a point of detail, their postcode and phone number is a function of where their premises are and nobody would note that in any way. The use of a co.uk website is a choice, and all other things being equal I would sooner do business with someone with a .ie address or at least a .com one.
Donnelly Group gave my club £50 when I bought a car from them back in Jan. That to me is more powerful than a domain name.
£50 - You're easily bought.
Quote from: general_lee on September 15, 2016, 12:16:39 PM
Quote from: winghalfun on September 15, 2016, 11:54:03 AM
This is Galbally we are talking about. One of the very hottest of hot beds of Republican activism.
Maybe the close (some might allege too close) association with a huge PSNI contract could have played a part too.
Not that that is a defense of course.
Don't see why that would be an issue as mainstream republicanism support policing in NI? Or is Galbally dissie territory? Whoever pulled the sign down is an eejit, this is the type of behaviour I expect from and ridicule unionists for. We'd all be laughing at some DUP clown if they done something similar
Exactly if it was Jim Allister or Nelson McCausland ripping a banner down that had the island of Ireland wed be having some laugh at them. But as you said earlier as long as this fella is doing his bit to free Ireland then its all good.
Quote from: square_ball on September 15, 2016, 04:26:17 PM
Quote from: general_lee on September 15, 2016, 12:16:39 PM
Quote from: winghalfun on September 15, 2016, 11:54:03 AM
This is Galbally we are talking about. One of the very hottest of hot beds of Republican activism.
Maybe the close (some might allege too close) association with a huge PSNI contract could have played a part too.
Not that that is a defense of course.
Don't see why that would be an issue as mainstream republicanism support policing in NI? Or is Galbally dissie territory? Whoever pulled the sign down is an eejit, this is the type of behaviour I expect from and ridicule unionists for. We'd all be laughing at some DUP clown if they done something similar
Exactly if it was Jim Allister or Nelson McCausland ripping a banner down that had the island of Ireland wed be having some laugh at them. But as you said earlier as long as this fella is doing his bit to free Ireland then its all good.
If you believe that Nelson McCausland is somehow equivalent to nationalism then there is no point in debating with you.
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on September 15, 2016, 01:49:52 PM
Quote from: Rois on September 14, 2016, 07:55:35 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 14, 2016, 06:10:31 PM
On a point of detail, their postcode and phone number is a function of where their premises are and nobody would note that in any way. The use of a co.uk website is a choice, and all other things being equal I would sooner do business with someone with a .ie address or at least a .com one.
Donnelly Group gave my club £50 when I bought a car from them back in Jan. That to me is more powerful than a domain name.
£50 - You're easily bought.
Ah rubbish, didn't realise other car dealers gave more to GAA clubs - tell me where I should shop in future.
I didn't ask for it and it wasn't part of the price negotiations. Of course it is a business, but one that is prepared to give what is the equivalent of one adult membership.
Galbally and other clubs had better stop their members attending county team training in Garvaghey as a significant contributor was the NI administration.
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This is Galbally we are talking about. One of the very hottest of hot beds of Republican activism.
Maybe the close (some might allege too close) association with a huge PSNI contract could have played a part too.
Not that that is a defense of course.
Don't see why that would be an issue as mainstream republicanism support policing in NI? Or is Galbally dissie territory? Whoever pulled the sign down is an eejit, this is the type of behaviour I expect from and ridicule unionists for. We'd all be laughing at some DUP clown if they done something similar
Exactly if it was Jim Allister or Nelson McCausland ripping a banner down that had the island of Ireland wed be having some laugh at them. But as you said earlier as long as this fella is doing his bit to free Ireland then its all good.
If you believe that Nelson McCausland is somehow equivalent to nationalism then there is no point in debating with you.
I think he is equating one deluded Loyalist numpty with one deluded republican one.
When we see stories of pubs on the Shankill road having World cup flags and not putting up the Irish or Ivory coast flag we laugh at them for their insular small-mindedness.
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Quote from: winghalfun on September 15, 2016, 11:54:03 AM
This is Galbally we are talking about. One of the very hottest of hot beds of Republican activism.
Maybe the close (some might allege too close) association with a huge PSNI contract could have played a part too.
Not that that is a defense of course.
Don't see why that would be an issue as mainstream republicanism support policing in NI? Or is Galbally dissie territory? Whoever pulled the sign down is an eejit, this is the type of behaviour I expect from and ridicule unionists for. We'd all be laughing at some DUP clown if they done something similar
Exactly if it was Jim Allister or Nelson McCausland ripping a banner down that had the island of Ireland wed be having some laugh at them. But as you said earlier as long as this fella is doing his bit to free Ireland then its all good.
If you believe that Nelson McCausland is somehow equivalent to nationalism then there is no point in debating with you.
I think he is equating one deluded Loyalist numpty with one deluded republican one.
When we see stories of pubs on the Shankill road having World cup flags and not putting up the Irish or Ivory coast flag we laugh at them for their insular small-mindedness.
Indeed, it doesn't mean they should be mimicked in their small-mindedness though.
Am I reading this right...some one here would re-consider dealing with or giving trade to companies that have a .co.uk after their domain name?
Really?
Laughable.
I'm lucky Liverpool FC have a .com in their website.
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Am I reading this right...some one here would re-consider dealing with or giving trade to companies that have a .co.uk after their domain name?
Really?
Laughable.
UP A RA !
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Am I reading this right...some one here would re-consider dealing with or giving trade to companies that have a .co.uk after their domain name?
Really?
If the company is trying to sell stuff to me then they should be encouraging me to buy, not coat trailing.
Others may support the company's objectives and find this laughable.
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I'm lucky Liverpool FC have a .com in their website.
Is that supposed to be funny? Ha ha.
The company isn't trying to sell stuff to just you but rather the general public which is usually made up of a variety of races, creeds and political persuasions.
Put yourself in their position and have a think about the challenges youd be facing if you were to try and satisfy the whims of every type of person in the public arena.
Its impossible.
I despair when I hear such nonsense, especially when there are bigger social and economic challenges to be faced in this part of the world.
This idea that having a .co.uk website or having a map of NI on your brand material when you operate exclusively in NI is coat trailing is laughable.
Anybody that thinks that Donnelly's did this to provoke a response is deluded.
The banners should not have been taken down and a senior ruling needs to be made to ensure this is used as precedent.
To we have to reject sponsorship from Power NI or the like? Has all funding from Sports NI to be refunded? Is there a deputation from Galbally touring clubs and counties squeezing this money out of them so it can be sent back?
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The company isn't trying to sell stuff to just you but rather the general public which is usually made up of a variety of races, creeds and political persuasions.
Put yourself in their position and have a think about the challenges youd be facing if you were to try and satisfy the whims of every type of person in the public arena.
Ok then, explain to me how a .co.uk domain is more balanced than a .com one.
QuoteI despair when I hear such nonsense, especially when there are bigger social and economic challenges to be faced in this part of the world.
No doubt. Almost everything here isn't the most important thing in the world, is this a version of the usual MOPERY method of shutting down discussion, i.e. if there is something worse somewhere in the world at some time in history then you are not allowed point it out?
Point it out surely but to be fair its not what matters most in our society. Can you not see that?
In the hierarchy of things that are more important id say its pretty low down the pecking order.
as for the balance of the domain names, I have no idea what youre on about. Its a completely trivial matter.
Just had a look at the Donnelly Group website. Some serious coat trailing going on there. The initial banner has a red car positioned alongside a van that's white and at the end of the row is a blue van. Seriously, how could any decent nationalist buy a vehicle from an outfit like that!! :P
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 16, 2016, 02:04:14 PM
Point it out surely but to be fair its not what matters most in our society. Can you not see that?
In the hierarchy of things that are more important id say its pretty low down the pecking order.
The company has chosen the image they want to put forward, I don't like it, you do. This is indeed not the most important thing in the world, I didn't complain (although they are at this 6 county crack on ArmaghTV also) nor start this thread.
Quote from: Estimator on September 16, 2016, 04:13:33 PM
Just had a look at the Donnelly Group website. Some serious coat trailing going on there. The initial banner has a red car positioned alongside a van that's white and at the end of the row is a blue van. Seriously, how could any decent nationalist buy a vehicle from an outfit like that!! :P
Thank you for that informative contribution. No orange or green ones then? No doubt the absence of a pink or rainbow coloured car also implies something about their views about the homosexual community.
Jaysus Armaghniac for a normally sensible poster you've lost your marbles altogether on this nonsense.
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Jaysus Armaghniac for a normally sensible poster you've lost your marbles altogether on this nonsense.
it is the excitement of Mayo being on the brink of an All Ireland, it is too much.
Quote from: HiMucker on September 15, 2016, 10:28:44 AM
Some of the advertising signs at our own ground and others state "Londonderry", should we pull them down?
Yes
Some of them are even in English.