Might as well get this started.....the 2 favourites play each other in the QF....will Monaghan build on their league success or will Tyrone bring a much better game to this one....
Bar the odd outlier Tyrone have usually had Monaghan's number in the championship this past 10-15 years. Any reason it will be different this time around?
If it was in Clones maybe as they've beaten us there a few times lately but I just think Tyrone have quite a strong spine to them now and if we can keep Lee Brennan fit and on form we have tidied up our free taking nightmare AND got an exciting young forward to now compliment the rest of the hard working forward line.
Colm Cavanagh's fitness though will be important. I never liked 1st round games in Omagh but then again I didn't like them in Ballybofey or Clones either. Derry has been nice of late. ;-)
Amazing how Tipperary are now considered a top Div 2 and nearly Div 1 team and Derry are going to London next year in the league. I'd say Mugsy will try to stay (sorry GET) fit for that one.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 04, 2018, 10:24:55 AM
If it was in Clones maybe as they've beaten us there a few times lately but I just think Tyrone have quite a strong spine to them now and if we can keep Lee Brennan fit and on form we have tidied up our free taking nightmare AND got an exciting young forward to now compliment the rest of the hard working forward line.
Colm Cavanagh's fitness though will be important. I never liked 1st round games in Omagh but then again I didn't like them in Ballybofey or Clones either. Derry has been nice of late. ;-)
Amazing how Tipperary are now considered a top Div 2 and nearly Div 1 team and Derry are going to London next year in the league. I'd say Mugsy will try to stay (sorry GET) fit for that one.
I'm not sure we have sorted out the long range frees. Brennan hit about 7 or 8 longer ones in the last few matches and maybe scored 1 at most. Morgan struck the few he hit the last day better than Brennan did. But Brennan has definitely added to our scoring threat up front and can hopefully keep it up come championship.
Be great craic if the loser of this drew loser of the Galway/Mayowestros game :D
Whats Monaghans record like in Omagh?
If Monaghan have a poor championship will O'Rourke be under pressure if Monaghan have a poor championship? Seems like Monaghan have added a lot more strength to their panel from the little I've seen of them.
Quote from: tyroneman on April 04, 2018, 06:45:17 AM
Might as well get this started.....the 2 favourites play each other in the QF....will Monaghan build on their league success or will Tyrone bring a much better game to this one....
Bar the odd outlier Tyrone have usually had Monaghan's number in the championship this past 10-15 years. Any reason it will be different this time around?
Sickening arrogance.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 04, 2018, 11:15:58 AM
Whats Monaghans record like in Omagh?
If Monaghan have a poor championship will O'Rourke be under pressure if Monaghan have a poor championship? Seems like Monaghan have added a lot more strength to their panel from the little I've seen of them.
In a recent game in Omagh they shot the lights out
Think Monaghan might just get the better of Tyrone in Omagh I think it will suit them better than Clones!
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 04, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
Think Monaghan might just get the better of Tyrone in Omagh I think it will suit them better than Clones!
Why.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 04, 2018, 01:08:28 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 04, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
Think Monaghan might just get the better of Tyrone in Omagh I think it will suit them better than Clones!
Why.
Tighter pitch Monaghan have a great record away from clones in the ulster championship!
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Quote from: Unlaoised on April 04, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
Think Monaghan might just get the better of Tyrone in Omagh I think it will suit them better than Clones!
Why.
Tighter pitch Monaghan have a great record away from clones in the ulster championship!
Sorry but this is a major bug bear of mine. A quick internet search would tell you that Clones is 142m by 87m and Healy Park is 142m by 86m. Those 50cms on each wing aren't going to make much of a difference.
I'm going to call this as a two point win for Tyrone. Reasons are:
- Brennan has sorted out a lot of our free taking and is much more goal focused (something we appeared to be actively avoiding in the past!)
- Hampsey and Burns look to have created a strong partnership in defence. We haven't had a long term man for the #6 jersey in recent years and I think Burns has really laid down a marker in the second half of the league.
- Our two main 'tempo' men have really came into form for the latter part of the league. If Harte and Matty Donnelly are on form the whole team plays well.
- Potentially missing Colm is huge and in McManus and Beggan (from frees) Monaghan have got two serious scoring options.
Out of interest, how many rounds of club games are due to be played before the 20th May in Monaghan?
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Quote from: Unlaoised on April 04, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
Think Monaghan might just get the better of Tyrone in Omagh I think it will suit them better than Clones!
Why.
Tighter pitch Monaghan have a great record away from clones in the ulster championship!
Sorry but this is a major bug bear of mine. A quick internet search would tell you that Clones is 142m by 87m and Healy Park is 142m by 86m. Those 50cms on each wing aren't going to make much of a difference.
I'm going to call this as a two point win for Tyrone. Reasons are:
- Brennan has sorted out a lot of our free taking and is much more goal focused (something we appeared to be actively avoiding in the past!)
- Hampsey and Burns look to have created a strong partnership in defence. We haven't had a long term man for the #6 jersey in recent years and I think Burns has really laid down a marker in the second half of the league.
- Our two main 'tempo' men have really came into form for the latter part of the league. If Harte and Matty Donnelly are on form the whole team plays well.
- Potentially missing Colm is huge and in McManus and Beggan (from frees) Monaghan have got two serious scoring options.
Out of interest, how many rounds of club games are due to be played before the 20th May in Monaghan?
I have been told Clones is 145m by 88m the same as Croker....It looks much bigger than Healy park anyway.....
I think it has the potential to be a cracker and the winner will have one foot in the super 8s!
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Quote from: Unlaoised on April 04, 2018, 01:11:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 04, 2018, 01:08:28 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 04, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
Think Monaghan might just get the better of Tyrone in Omagh I think it will suit them better than Clones!
Why.
Tighter pitch Monaghan have a great record away from clones in the ulster championship!
Sorry but this is a major bug bear of mine. A quick internet search would tell you that Clones is 142m by 87m and Healy Park is 142m by 86m. Those 50cms on each wing aren't going to make much of a difference.
I'm going to call this as a two point win for Tyrone. Reasons are:
- Brennan has sorted out a lot of our free taking and is much more goal focused (something we appeared to be actively avoiding in the past!)
- Hampsey and Burns look to have created a strong partnership in defence. We haven't had a long term man for the #6 jersey in recent years and I think Burns has really laid down a marker in the second half of the league.
- Our two main 'tempo' men have really came into form for the latter part of the league. If Harte and Matty Donnelly are on form the whole team plays well.
- Potentially missing Colm is huge and in McManus and Beggan (from frees) Monaghan have got two serious scoring options.
Out of interest, how many rounds of club games are due to be played before the 20th May in Monaghan?
I have been told Clones is 145m by 88m the same as Croker....It looks much bigger than Healy park anyway.....
I think it has the potential to be a cracker and the winner will have one foot in the super 8s!
100% agree on your last point. The difference in winning and losing this game is huge. Winner goes into a semi v Fermanagh/Armagh where as the loser could potentially meet Galway/Mayo/Donegal/Cavan in round 1 of qualifiers. There'll be some intensity to it. Can't wait.
How many does Healy park hold surely it will be a sell out and almost impossible to get a ticket for this one!
Rossfan i suppose beating them powerhouses New York or Leitrim to reach last 12 is one of the reasons to get in to the modern world and abolish provincials.
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 04, 2018, 03:13:35 PM
How many does Healy park hold surely it will be a sell out and almost impossible to get a ticket for this one!
Not 100% sure but I'd hazard a guess at around 25k. It's been a long time since there was ever a total sell out, in fact has there been?
I'd say that would be more than enough room, tbh.
I think with health & safety it holds around 18,000. I remember a serious crowd at Tyrone Armagh in the mid 90's in it. It would have been close to full a few times in the 00's v Down in 2005 for example.
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Quote from: Unlaoised on April 04, 2018, 03:13:35 PM
How many does Healy park hold surely it will be a sell out and almost impossible to get a ticket for this one!
Not 100% sure but I'd hazard a guess at around 25k. It's been a long time since there was ever a total sell out, in fact has there been?
I'd say that would be more than enough room, tbh.
omagh gael doesnt know the capacity of his home ground.lol. pretty sure its between 18 and 20000 max.
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Quote from: Unlaoised on April 04, 2018, 03:13:35 PM
How many does Healy park hold surely it will be a sell out and almost impossible to get a ticket for this one!
Not 100% sure but I'd hazard a guess at around 25k. It's been a long time since there was ever a total sell out, in fact has there been?
I'd say that would be more than enough room, tbh.
omagh gael doesnt know the capacity of his home ground.lol. pretty sure its between 18 and 20000 max.
Hope they remember to do half-time draw.
Big name heading towards the backdoor in May.
Hope Monaghan come through that though.
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Quote from: tyroneman on April 04, 2018, 06:45:17 AM
Might as well get this started.....the 2 favourites play each other in the QF....will Monaghan build on their league success or will Tyrone bring a much better game to this one....
Bar the odd outlier Tyrone have usually had Monaghan's number in the championship this past 10-15 years. Any reason it will be different this time around?
Sickening arrogance.
Out of curiosity....how is that arrogant?
Monaghan have beaten Tyrone once in the Championship over the last 15 years and Tyrone have won the last 2 Ulster Titles....
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 04, 2018, 06:08:52 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 04, 2018, 03:45:18 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 04, 2018, 03:13:35 PM
How many does Healy park hold surely it will be a sell out and almost impossible to get a ticket for this one!
Not 100% sure but I'd hazard a guess at around 25k. It's been a long time since there was ever a total sell out, in fact has there been?
I'd say that would be more than enough room, tbh.
omagh gael doesnt know the capacity of his home ground.lol. pretty sure its between 18 and 20000 max.
I will find it hard to sleep tonight with that on my conscience.
Anything to add on the football? Or are you sticking to personally insulting and making ludicrous claims against Mickey Harte on the county area? Big man behind the pseudonym, STG.
This is Monaghan's year, unlike other years which were also 'Monaghan's year' but instead turned out to be false doctrines. I foresee us with a luxurious 4 point cushion going into the last minutes and winning comfortably by a point, or did that happen already?
Well, regardless, the red flag will be at half mast post game.
I see the thread's gone quiet. After a brief flurry, Tyronies run out of wind?
In all honesty monaghan are an average enough outfit but are dogged as hell which keeps them in many a game.
If, and it's a big If, they don't resort to the dirt, off the ball shenanigans and sly hits we should win by 3+.
If the ref allows it to descend into a dog fight we will have a real battle on our hands, especially if the weather is dodgy beforehand and that shithole is quagmire (yet again)
Quote from: Main Street on April 08, 2018, 07:42:13 PM
I see the thread's gone quiet. After a brief flurry, Tyronies run out of wind?
Monaghan barely register on the collective conscience two days before an Ulster Final, never mind a first rounder, so not sure where your delusions of grandeur originate from where this one's concerned -- taken a bang to the oul bap lately?
Quote from: tyroneman on April 04, 2018, 06:54:36 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 04, 2018, 11:25:29 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 04, 2018, 06:45:17 AM
Might as well get this started.....the 2 favourites play each other in the QF....will Monaghan build on their league success or will Tyrone bring a much better game to this one....
Bar the odd outlier Tyrone have usually had Monaghan's number in the championship this past 10-15 years. Any reason it will be different this time around?
Sickening arrogance.
Out of curiosity....how is that arrogant?
Monaghan have beaten Tyrone once in the Championship over the last 15 years and Tyrone have won the last 2 Ulster Titles....
Ulster titles have been debased recently . How many allstars are one worth now ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVyS9JwtFoQ
Tyrone have had a tough time since last year's Ulster championship.
Seal da rabhas im' mhaighdean shéimh,
'S anois im' bhaintreach chaite thréith,
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Quote from: Main Street on April 08, 2018, 07:42:13 PM
I see the thread's gone quiet. After a brief flurry, Tyronies run out of wind?
Monaghan barely register on the collective conscience two days before an Ulster Final, never mind a first rounder, so not sure where your delusions of grandeur originate from where this one's concerned -- taken a bang to the oul bap lately?
I suppose it hard to imagine from a Farney perspective.... they're in Div 1, couple of Ulsters lately, got maybe the best player in the country, on that basis alone they should deserve respect.
but....
I could never fathom Monaghan as a serious threat to Tyrone... almost ever, aye course they're gonna win a few games occasionally especially in the league... but championship is a different story and if Tyrone play to a decent level they'll win end of story.
They cant even revert to the dirt when they're stuck anymore as Porter and O'Rourke are actually from the heartland.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 08, 2018, 08:06:01 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 08, 2018, 07:42:13 PM
I see the thread's gone quiet. After a brief flurry, Tyronies run out of wind?
Monaghan barely register on the collective conscience two days before an Ulster Final, never mind a first rounder, so not sure where your delusions of grandeur originate from where this one's concerned -- taken a bang to the oul bap lately?
I suppose it hard to imagine from a Farney perspective.... they're in Div 1, couple of Ulsters lately, got maybe the best player in the country, on that basis alone they should deserve respect.
but....
I could never fathom Monaghan as a serious threat to Tyrone... almost ever, aye course they're gonna win a few games occasionally especially in the league... but championship is a different story and if Tyrone play to a decent level they'll win end of story.
They cant even revert to the dirt when they're stuck anymore as Porter and O'Rourke are actually from the heartland.
Tyrone always had that indian sign over Monaghan but I think this year could be different.
Monagahn by 3
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 04, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
Think Monaghan might just get the better of Tyrone in Omagh I think it will suit them better than Clones!
5/2 is a nice price.
You wouldn't know which Tyrone would turn up.
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Quote from: Unlaoised on April 04, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
Think Monaghan might just get the better of Tyrone in Omagh I think it will suit them better than Clones!
5/2 is a nice price.
You wouldn't know which Tyrone would turn up.
Tyrone have been fairly consistent against these sort of middling teams over the past two years or so in the championship. It's the big teams we struggle with, so I'd be fairly confident again. It's all about the super 8 this year though and peaking in August is the key so you never know.
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Think Monaghan might just get the better of Tyrone in Omagh I think it will suit them better than Clones!
5/2 is a nice price.
You wouldn't know which Tyrone would turn up.
Tyrone have been fairly consistent against these sort of middling teams over the past two years or so in the championship. It's the big teams we struggle with, so I'd be fairly confident again. It's all about the super 8 this year though and peaking in August is the key so you never know.
thats a fair smug look at things. Monaghan, regular quarter finalists, a consistent D1 team , Ulster champs in 2013 and 2015 under Malachy O'Rourke are only a middling team
I think it will come down to how Monaghan think about Tyrone. Last year they would have thought Tyrone were better than them. And now?
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Think Monaghan might just get the better of Tyrone in Omagh I think it will suit them better than Clones!
5/2 is a nice price.
You wouldn't know which Tyrone would turn up.
Tyrone have been fairly consistent against these sort of middling teams over the past two years or so in the championship. It's the big teams we struggle with, so I'd be fairly confident again. It's all about the super 8 this year though and peaking in August is the key so you never know.
thats a fair smug look at things. Monaghan, regular quarter finalists, a consistent D1 team , Ulster champs in 2013 and 2015 under Malachy O'Rourke are only a middling team
Who beat that great Monaghan team of 2013 and 2015 in the AIQF? Could they really even claim to be even the best team in Ulster in those years? Like I said, we are fairly consistent at this level in recent years, but the super 8 brings a different dynamic.
Monaghan have been Div one side for the last four years in a row and have more than held their own there. Two provincal titles won in the last five years and four All Ireland quarter final appearances in the last five years is far from middling especially for a county with population of just 61,273.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 09, 2018, 06:03:52 PM
Monaghan have been Div one side for the last four years in a row and have more than held their own there. Two provincal titles won in the last five years and four All Ireland quarter final appearances in the last five years is far from middling especially for a county with population of just 61,273.
Their population size is irrelevant. In those quarter finals you mention if my memory serves me correctly Monaghan were tanked twice by Dublin and beaten twice by Tyrone, a team which themselves, consistently fails to beat the top teams. Throw in a championship defeat to Longford and it's hard to make a case for them being anything other than middling. I genuinely didn't think I was being controversial calling them that, I was just making the point that Tyrone have generally (but not always) done pretty well against teams from that bracket.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2018, 07:06:01 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 09, 2018, 06:03:52 PM
Monaghan have been Div one side for the last four years in a row and have more than held their own there. Two provincal titles won in the last five years and four All Ireland quarter final appearances in the last five years is far from middling especially for a county with population of just 61,273.
Their population size is irrelevant. In those quarter finals you mention if my memory serves me correctly Monaghan were tanked twice by Dublin and beaten twice by Tyrone, a team which themselves, consistently fails to beat the top teams. Throw in a championship defeat to Longford and it's hard to make a case for them being anything other than middling. I genuinely didn't think I was being controversial calling them that, I was just making the point that Tyrone have generally (but not always) done pretty well against teams from that bracket.
Tyrone are middling as well.
Quote from: seafoid on April 09, 2018, 07:24:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2018, 07:06:01 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 09, 2018, 06:03:52 PM
Monaghan have been Div one side for the last four years in a row and have more than held their own there. Two provincal titles won in the last five years and four All Ireland quarter final appearances in the last five years is far from middling especially for a county with population of just 61,273.
Their population size is irrelevant. In those quarter finals you mention if my memory serves me correctly Monaghan were tanked twice by Dublin and beaten twice by Tyrone, a team which themselves, consistently fails to beat the top teams. Throw in a championship defeat to Longford and it's hard to make a case for them being anything other than middling. I genuinely didn't think I was being controversial calling them that, I was just making the point that Tyrone have generally (but not always) done pretty well against teams from that bracket.
Tyrone are middling as well.
I didn't say we weren't.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2018, 07:06:01 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 09, 2018, 06:03:52 PM
Monaghan have been Div one side for the last four years in a row and have more than held their own there. Two provincal titles won in the last five years and four All Ireland quarter final appearances in the last five years is far from middling especially for a county with population of just 61,273.
Their population size is irrelevant. In those quarter finals you mention if my memory serves me correctly Monaghan were tanked twice by Dublin and beaten twice by Tyrone, a team which themselves, consistently fails to beat the top teams. Throw in a championship defeat to Longford and it's hard to make a case for them being anything other than middling. I genuinely didn't think I was being controversial calling them that, I was just making the point that Tyrone have generally (but not always) done pretty well against teams from that bracket.
Population is relevant in my view especially one as small as Monaghans and I don't believe Monaghan would be where they are but for their good manager. I have already made a strong case against that view of yours to be middling team and if they beat Tyrone on May 20th they will go on to win Ulster if not they will reach the last 8 of the championship again IMO. Something most if not all middling teams would not do.
I see the Tyronies are finding a second wind of bluster to follow on from a more tentative opening, the Tyronie just cannot cannot mask the dour humourless nature for very long. It just takes someone to say they are going to lose, to rattle their can.
Banty's Back!! with the minors this time, hammering Tyrone for fun in Inniskeen over the weekend (only 6 red cards though).
Ominous for Tyrone.
Quote from: Main Street on April 09, 2018, 10:26:05 PM
I see the Tyronies are finding a second wind of bluster to follow on from a more tentative opening, the Tyronie just cannot cannot mask the dour humourless nature for very long. It just takes someone to say they are going to lose, to rattle their can.
Banty's Back!! with the minors this time, hammering Tyrone for fun in Inniskeen over the weekend (only 6 red cards though).
Ominous for Tyrone.
Banty was desperate for that Job heard he was the last resort...Wanted Laois job this year made that known as well!
Banty looking a job! Never!!
Quote from: the goal was on on April 10, 2018, 10:03:51 AM
Banty looking a job! Never!!
;D ;D ;D Aye I know strange that!
County Titles Years
Monaghan 16 1888, 1906, 1914, 1916, 1917, 1921, 1922, 1927, 1929, 1930, 1938, 1979, 1985, 1988, 2013, 2015
Tyrone 15 1956, 1957, 1973, 1984, 1986, 1989, 1995, 1996, 2001, 2003, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2016, 2017
2014 was the last time Monaghan beat Tyrone in the Ulster championship in Clones but as far as I can remember you have to go away back to 1988 for the time before that when Monaghan beat Tyrone in an Ulster final.
Unlike teams in Leinster, Monaghan have always put up a good fight against their "big boy" neighbours and certainly aren't scared to turn it into a tough aggressive battle but more often that not Tyrone always end up swatting them away and were delighted to be drawn against them in Croker in recent years.
Monaghan followers will believe this year is different though as they've a few more attacking options and not just reliant on CmM.
Still, I always think Tyrone struggle in first championship games in Omagh although the last time we played a first round championship match there we beat Monaghan.
5 June 2011 3:30pm Quarter Final
Tyrone 1-13 - 1-11 Monaghan
B McGuigan 1-1, S Cavanagh 0-4 (0-2f), S O'Neill 0-3, M Penrose (2f), P Harte (1f, 1 '45) 0-2 each, O Mulligan 0-1 Report C McManus 0-6 (5f), D Hughes 1-1 (1-0 pen), P Finlay 0-4 (3f).
Healy Park, Omagh
Attendance: 10,937
As a few said though, Tyrone have learned from previous years not to give these "smaller" teams a foothold in the game but treat them with respect as you would any of the top 3.
Will there be anyone on here travelling up from Dublin to the game? PM me.
I see T McCann was back playing at the weekend. Hopefully his hair, I mean knee, holds up until May 20th..
All codding aside, that must be a good boost for Tyrone.
Haven't heard anything from our side re injuries etc. Hopefully all men are still in tact and raring to go, it'll take them all..
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 30, 2018, 01:45:21 PM
I see T McCann was back playing at the weekend. Hopefully his hair, I mean knee, holds up until May 20th..
All codding aside, that must be a good boost for Tyrone.
Haven't heard anything from our side re injuries etc. Hopefully all men are still in tact and raring to go, it'll take them all..
Gets injured and misses Tyrone games, Tyrone go on a good run and look much more cohesive.
Gets fit and returns for club and they lose.
Go figure.
Quote from: tiempo on April 30, 2018, 02:08:38 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 30, 2018, 01:45:21 PM
I see T McCann was back playing at the weekend. Hopefully his hair, I mean knee, holds up until May 20th..
All codding aside, that must be a good boost for Tyrone.
Haven't heard anything from our side re injuries etc. Hopefully all men are still in tact and raring to go, it'll take them all..
Gets injured and misses Tyrone games, Tyrone go on a good run and look much more cohesive.
Gets fit and returns for club and they lose.
Go figure.
Ach wise up man
Quote from: Taylor on April 30, 2018, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: tiempo on April 30, 2018, 02:08:38 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 30, 2018, 01:45:21 PM
I see T McCann was back playing at the weekend. Hopefully his hair, I mean knee, holds up until May 20th..
All codding aside, that must be a good boost for Tyrone.
Haven't heard anything from our side re injuries etc. Hopefully all men are still in tact and raring to go, it'll take them all..
Gets injured and misses Tyrone games, Tyrone go on a good run and look much more cohesive.
Gets fit and returns for club and they lose.
Go figure.
Ach wise up man
Strange comment indeed, I would have thought that he was a highly regarded player in Tyrone? ???
Lee Brennan and Colm Cavanagh both doubtful.
Probably our 2 most important players, and yes, I include M Donnelly and P Harte in this
As Han Solo once said.......
Quote from: tyroneman on May 01, 2018, 03:52:40 PM
As Han Solo once said.......
"Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, farm boy. Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova, and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?" /??
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on May 01, 2018, 11:02:53 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 30, 2018, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: tiempo on April 30, 2018, 02:08:38 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 30, 2018, 01:45:21 PM
I see T McCann was back playing at the weekend. Hopefully his hair, I mean knee, holds up until May 20th..
All codding aside, that must be a good boost for Tyrone.
Haven't heard anything from our side re injuries etc. Hopefully all men are still in tact and raring to go, it'll take them all..
Gets injured and misses Tyrone games, Tyrone go on a good run and look much more cohesive.
Gets fit and returns for club and they lose.
Go figure.
Ach wise up man
Strange comment indeed, I would have thought that he was a highly regarded player in Tyrone? ???
He most certainly is.
No idea where the comment came from.
We are infinitely stronger when he plays
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I see T McCann was back playing at the weekend. Hopefully his hair, I mean knee, holds up until May 20th..
All codding aside, that must be a good boost for Tyrone.
Haven't heard anything from our side re injuries etc. Hopefully all men are still in tact and raring to go, it'll take them all..
Gets injured and misses Tyrone games, Tyrone go on a good run and look much more cohesive.
Gets fit and returns for club and they lose.
Go figure.
Ach wise up man
Strange comment indeed, I would have thought that he was a highly regarded player in Tyrone? ???
It's usually made by the same people who don't rate Peter Harte so tells you all you need to know!
Monaghan have to catch Tyrone sooner or later. Why not in Omagh? Tyrone aren't exactly brilliant there and remains to be seen who will adapt best to the club only april.
Obviously injury news either way could swing this one, Lee Brennan or McManus out, you would be quick to shift to the other side.
This club only April thing I assume counties are still training away as normal or is that prohibited?
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This club only April thing I assume counties are still training away as normal or is that prohibited?
Sure Armagh went to Portugal in April FFS.
Farcical situation
Tyrone lads played 5 club games already with another scheduled for this Friday night. How many have the Monaghan men played?
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Tyrone lads played 5 club games already with another scheduled for this Friday night. How many have the Monaghan men played?
4 i think
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I see T McCann was back playing at the weekend. Hopefully his hair, I mean knee, holds up until May 20th..
All codding aside, that must be a good boost for Tyrone.
Haven't heard anything from our side re injuries etc. Hopefully all men are still in tact and raring to go, it'll take them all..
Gets injured and misses Tyrone games, Tyrone go on a good run and look much more cohesive.
Gets fit and returns for club and they lose.
Go figure.
Ach wise up man
Strange comment indeed, I would have thought that he was a highly regarded player in Tyrone? ???
There's strong competition in our half-back line and if he's not in serious form as he was for two years there up until last spring then he falls back into the chasing pack. He's seen as a defensive liability by
some. That may be a harsh assessment but he'll have to disprove the doubters the hard way. Frank burns looks to have cb nailed down barring a bad injury. Meyler had a brilliant run at hb during the league so is in pole position to nail down on of the wing back spots. That leaves a few quality players fighting out for Davy hartes old shirt.
I wouldn't be surprised if Monaghan won this.
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I see T McCann was back playing at the weekend. Hopefully his hair, I mean knee, holds up until May 20th..
All codding aside, that must be a good boost for Tyrone.
Haven't heard anything from our side re injuries etc. Hopefully all men are still in tact and raring to go, it'll take them all..
Gets injured and misses Tyrone games, Tyrone go on a good run and look much more cohesive.
Gets fit and returns for club and they lose.
Go figure.
Ach wise up man
Strange comment indeed, I would have thought that he was a highly regarded player in Tyrone? ???
There's strong competition in our half-back line and if he's not in serious form as he was for two years there up until last spring then he falls back into the chasing pack. He's seen as a defensive liability by some. That may be a harsh assessment but he'll have to disprove the doubters the hard way. Frank burns looks to have cb nailed down barring a bad injury. Meyler had a brilliant run at hb during the league so is in pole position to nail down on of the wing back spots. That leaves a few quality players fighting out for Davy hartes old shirt.
I still think McCann has enough credit in the bank from previous years to get back in the team for the opener provided he proves his fitness. I'd say we could see McCann-Burns-Meyler in the half back line with a Donnelly-Sludden-Harte half forward line?
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I wouldn't be surprised if Monaghan won this.
No Sh!t?? lol
I don't think anyone would be - Tyrone and Monaghan people included!
There was talk a few months ago about the U20 Ulster championship preceding SFC games but from the ulster fixture list that game seems to be on the following Friday.
Will there be no game on the before the senior game?
I see throw in is for 4pm which is weird when there is no TV coverage or has it been changed now?
I think Tyrone will be ALL OUT to win 3 in a row Ulster titles as its rare to get that chance.
They probably know they are still not good enough for an All Ireland but 3 in a row Ango Celts would be say a lot about this team
Did Armagh or Donegal manage 3 in a row? If so when?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 02, 2018, 05:16:45 PM
There was talk a few months ago about the U20 Ulster championship preceding SFC games but from the ulster fixture list that game seems to be on the following Friday.
Will there be no game on the before the senior game?
I see throw in is for 4pm which is weird when there is no TV coverage or has it been changed now?
I think Tyrone will be ALL OUT to win 3 in a row Ulster titles as its rare to get that chance.
They probably know they are still not good enough for an All Ireland but 3 in a row Ango Celts would be say a lot about this team
Did Armagh or Donegal manage 3 in a row? If so when?
Armagh 04,05,06
Ahhhhhhhh here, our fella!!!
Yer not seriously counting 05 when we played ye aff the field and ye cheated yer way to an Ulster title with sending on a player to get our two best forwards ever sent off.
Yis are some craic. Haha
:o
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As Han Solo once said.......
Never trust a Monaghan man with a gun?
No, that was Joe Brolly.
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I see T McCann was back playing at the weekend. Hopefully his hair, I mean knee, holds up until May 20th..
All codding aside, that must be a good boost for Tyrone.
Haven't heard anything from our side re injuries etc. Hopefully all men are still in tact and raring to go, it'll take them all..
Gets injured and misses Tyrone games, Tyrone go on a good run and look much more cohesive.
Gets fit and returns for club and they lose.
Go figure.
Ach wise up man
Strange comment indeed, I would have thought that he was a highly regarded player in Tyrone? ???
There's strong competition in our half-back line and if he's not in serious form as he was for two years there up until last spring then he falls back into the chasing pack. He's seen as a defensive liability by some. That may be a harsh assessment but he'll have to disprove the doubters the hard way. Frank burns looks to have cb nailed down barring a bad injury. Meyler had a brilliant run at hb during the league so is in pole position to nail down on of the wing back spots. That leaves a few quality players fighting out for Davy hartes old shirt.
I still think McCann has enough credit in the bank from previous years to get back in the team for the opener provided he proves his fitness. I'd say we could see McCann-Burns-Meyler in the half back line with a Donnelly-Sludden-Harte half forward line?
I'll be very surprised if he does play to be honest. Our best league performance was against mayo and Donegal and it was Meyler/burns/Harte. In particular Hartes performance has improved since he went to hb and we need him in form. Donnelly will start in the middle particularly as we don't have Cavanaghs power and size there. So for me it's Harte/Burns/Meyler; Matty + Richie or McNulty, mc Geary/Sludden/Mulgrew
Monaghan 2-16 Mayo 1-13 in senior challenge tonight.
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I see T McCann was back playing at the weekend. Hopefully his hair, I mean knee, holds up until May 20th..
All codding aside, that must be a good boost for Tyrone.
Haven't heard anything from our side re injuries etc. Hopefully all men are still in tact and raring to go, it'll take them all..
Gets injured and misses Tyrone games, Tyrone go on a good run and look much more cohesive.
Gets fit and returns for club and they lose.
Go figure.
Ach wise up man
Strange comment indeed, I would have thought that he was a highly regarded player in Tyrone? ???
There's strong competition in our half-back line and if he's not in serious form as he was for two years there up until last spring then he falls back into the chasing pack. He's seen as a defensive liability by some. That may be a harsh assessment but he'll have to disprove the doubters the hard way. Frank burns looks to have cb nailed down barring a bad injury. Meyler had a brilliant run at hb during the league so is in pole position to nail down on of the wing back spots. That leaves a few quality players fighting out for Davy hartes old shirt.
I still think McCann has enough credit in the bank from previous years to get back in the team for the opener provided he proves his fitness. I'd say we could see McCann-Burns-Meyler in the half back line with a Donnelly-Sludden-Harte half forward line?
I'll be very surprised if he does play to be honest. Our best league performance was against mayo and Donegal and it was Meyler/burns/Harte. In particular Hartes performance has improved since he went to hb and we need him in form. Donnelly will start in the middle particularly as we don't have Cavanaghs power and size there. So for me it's Harte/Burns/Meyler; Matty + Richie or McNulty, mc Geary/Sludden/Mulgrew
Can't see Richie Donnelly or Mulgrew starting against Monaghan. McClure will take the midfield position beside Cavanagh if fit or then McShane or Mattie Donnelly.
Id say our middle 8 will likely look like this.
McCann/Burns/Harte
Donnelly/McClure
Meyler/Sludden/McGeary
Will McNammee get his place in the full back line is another question Harte has to answer. Tyrone looked to going well in there without him.
AFAIK Mulgrew got a shoulder operation last week, just hasn't been picked up by the media yet.
Just confirmed Brendan Burns ruptured his ACL. Out for the season.
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I see T McCann was back playing at the weekend. Hopefully his hair, I mean knee, holds up until May 20th..
All codding aside, that must be a good boost for Tyrone.
Haven't heard anything from our side re injuries etc. Hopefully all men are still in tact and raring to go, it'll take them all..
Gets injured and misses Tyrone games, Tyrone go on a good run and look much more cohesive.
Gets fit and returns for club and they lose.
Go figure.
Ach wise up man
Strange comment indeed, I would have thought that he was a highly regarded player in Tyrone? ???
There's strong competition in our half-back line and if he's not in serious form as he was for two years there up until last spring then he falls back into the chasing pack. He's seen as a defensive liability by some. That may be a harsh assessment but he'll have to disprove the doubters the hard way. Frank burns looks to have cb nailed down barring a bad injury. Meyler had a brilliant run at hb during the league so is in pole position to nail down on of the wing back spots. That leaves a few quality players fighting out for Davy hartes old shirt.
I still think McCann has enough credit in the bank from previous years to get back in the team for the opener provided he proves his fitness. I'd say we could see McCann-Burns-Meyler in the half back line with a Donnelly-Sludden-Harte half forward line?
I'll be very surprised if he does play to be honest. Our best league performance was against mayo and Donegal and it was Meyler/burns/Harte. In particular Hartes performance has improved since he went to hb and we need him in form. Donnelly will start in the middle particularly as we don't have Cavanaghs power and size there. So for me it's Harte/Burns/Meyler; Matty + Richie or McNulty, mc Geary/Sludden/Mulgrew
Can't see Richie Donnelly or Mulgrew starting against Monaghan. McClure will take the midfield position beside Cavanagh if fit or then McShane or Mattie Donnelly.
Id say our middle 8 will likely look like this.
McCann/Burns/Harte
Donnelly/McClure
Meyler/Sludden/McGeary
Will McNammee get his place in the full back line is another question Harte has to answer. Tyrone looked to going well in there without him.
Forgot about Cavanagh more than likely being missing. That probably will mean Donnelly lining up in midfield. Full back line is up in hair I assume Hampsey is a cert but the other 2 who knows? For years it was an automatic selection (rightly or wrongly) with McCrory, McNamee and McCarron but probably one of the harder calls to make this year. Hampsey to pick up McManus? Whoever is on him it's just damage limitation.
Cavanagh, L Brennan, B Burns, Mulgrew-- list is growing
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I see T McCann was back playing at the weekend. Hopefully his hair, I mean knee, holds up until May 20th..
All codding aside, that must be a good boost for Tyrone.
Haven't heard anything from our side re injuries etc. Hopefully all men are still in tact and raring to go, it'll take them all..
Gets injured and misses Tyrone games, Tyrone go on a good run and look much more cohesive.
Gets fit and returns for club and they lose.
Go figure.
Ach wise up man
Strange comment indeed, I would have thought that he was a highly regarded player in Tyrone? ???
There's strong competition in our half-back line and if he's not in serious form as he was for two years there up until last spring then he falls back into the chasing pack. He's seen as a defensive liability by some. That may be a harsh assessment but he'll have to disprove the doubters the hard way. Frank burns looks to have cb nailed down barring a bad injury. Meyler had a brilliant run at hb during the league so is in pole position to nail down on of the wing back spots. That leaves a few quality players fighting out for Davy hartes old shirt.
I still think McCann has enough credit in the bank from previous years to get back in the team for the opener provided he proves his fitness. I'd say we could see McCann-Burns-Meyler in the half back line with a Donnelly-Sludden-Harte half forward line?
I'll be very surprised if he does play to be honest. Our best league performance was against mayo and Donegal and it was Meyler/burns/Harte. In particular Hartes performance has improved since he went to hb and we need him in form. Donnelly will start in the middle particularly as we don't have Cavanaghs power and size there. So for me it's Harte/Burns/Meyler; Matty + Richie or McNulty, mc Geary/Sludden/Mulgrew
Can't see Richie Donnelly or Mulgrew starting against Monaghan. McClure will take the midfield position beside Cavanagh if fit or then McShane or Mattie Donnelly.
Id say our middle 8 will likely look like this.
McCann/Burns/Harte
Donnelly/McClure
Meyler/Sludden/McGeary
Will McNammee get his place in the full back line is another question Harte has to answer. Tyrone looked to going well in there without him.
Forgot about Cavanagh more than likely being missing. That probably will mean Donnelly lining up in midfield. Full back line is up in hair I assume Hampsey is a cert but the other 2 who knows? For years it was an automatic selection (rightly or wrongly) with McCrory, McNamee and McCarron but probably one of the harder calls to make this year. Hampsey to pick up McManus? Whoever is on him it's just damage limitation.
Is there not a chance McCann will get the nod at MF?
Mickey loves a curve ball - is there anyone on the fringes who'll be thrown into MF having played very little NFL?
We expecting McShane at FF or MF?
Curveball, Petey Harte MF, has been playing there for Errigal
Numbers on backs dont really matter in Tyrones system though does it, the middle 8 are interchangeable in position, you'd see Tiernan McCann picking up a midfielder or playing in their often, same with Mattie and Peter etc.
Harte or McCann will never be midfield. Monaghans midfield is too big who can field long kickouts. McShane will most likely do what he done in the league, named at FF and play MF. If Cavanagh doesn't play that leaves mcnulty and McClure. Id be inclined to leave mattie in half forwards. Personally I prefer McClure. The only fringe player that could play MF is ben McDonald. Just don't think hes ready for that level yet and needs a year or 2 experience. A way out curveball.. McNamee MF.. haven't seen him play club football but I believe hes going well in MF and kicked 6 points from play last week. All in all we may start praying Cavanagh is fit. Would be a massive loss.
So this game doesn't look like been on the TV which is ridiculous, probably one of the top 3 games we'll see in the provincial series.
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So this game doesn't look like been on the TV which is ridiculous, probably one of the top 3 games we'll see in the provincial series.
Not even Sky? At times you wonder if the GAA has any intelligent life in it.
Does anyone know?
Will there be no game on the before the senior game?
Why is if 4pm start? Could that change?
Fri 25th May 18
Tyrone(---)v(---)Monaghan
2018 Ulster GAA Football U20 Championship Quarter Final
Healy Park, Omagh 8:00 PM
Re it not being on TV, it does seem crazy doesn't it
I mean for the rest of the country, the first few rounds of each province tends to be timid enough affairs.
How often do you get two div 1 teams playing against each other and especially a local derby like this where David is trying to slay Goliath.
You will usually have to wait until August before you get any other good Div 1 team games with Kerry, Mayo and Dublin all kept apart although I suppose Galway v Mayo could be feisty.
Its the opening day of the new round robin Munster Hurling Championship and RTE are showing a double header from it that day. For obvious reasons they won't let someone else show fixtures against it.. Not sure why its a 4PM throw in.
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Does anyone know?
Will there be no game on the before the senior game?
Why is if 4pm start? Could that change?
Fri 25th May 18
Tyrone(---)v(---)Monaghan
2018 Ulster GAA Football U20 Championship Quarter Final
Healy Park, Omagh 8:00 PM
Re it not being on TV, it does seem crazy doesn't it
I mean for the rest of the country, the first few rounds of each province tends to be timid enough affairs.
How often do you get two div 1 teams playing against each other and especially a local derby like this where David is trying to slay Goliath.
You will usually have to wait until August before you get any other good Div 1 team games with Kerry, Mayo and Dublin all kept apart although I suppose Galway v Mayo could be feisty.
Read an article somewhere about BBC NI losing the rights and it sounded like things weren't 100% set in stone.
There was a mention of possible streaming of some games on the GAA "platform" GAA Go.
Some joke this isn't being shown on TV. Should mean there's a good crowd going to the game though.
Quote from: Boycey on May 03, 2018, 03:09:35 PM
Its the opening day of the new round robin Munster Hurling Championship and RTE are showing a double header from it that day. For obvious reasons they won't let someone else show fixtures against it.. Not sure why its a 4PM throw in.
The GAA need a view on these things.
They also need some ideas about non live coverage, showing the whole game during the week and so forth.
I see its not on GAAGO live either, only deffered coverage, this really is a shambles
Tyrone 0-14 Monaghan 1-16
Tyrone and Monaghan have fine scoring forwards. So I expect to see plenty of scores weather permitting.
Tyrone have found a couple of scrap yard dogs in the defense. So I expect it to be something like Tyrone 2 -15 Monaghan 1-12.
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Tyrone and Monaghan have fine scoring forwards. So I expect to see plenty of scores weather permitting.
Tyrone have found a couple of scrap yard dogs in the defense. So I expect it to be something like Tyrone 2 -15 Monaghan 1-12.
I admire your romanticism. I'm gonna go with the more likely 0-08 to 0-09 to us.
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Tyrone and Monaghan have fine scoring forwards. So I expect to see plenty of scores weather permitting.
Tyrone have found a couple of scrap yard dogs in the defense. So I expect it to be something like Tyrone 2 -15 Monaghan 1-12.
I admire your romanticism. I'm gonna go with the more likely 0-08 to 0-09 to us.
If 0-09 is all you can put past our slapdash defenders then you will definitely not be winning the game.
I take it this will be a sell out considering its not on the box and lower capacity than Clones. Should make for a good atmosphere. Will tickets only be available from clubs and season ticket holders?
Interestingly heard a few stories about clubs going looking membership and lads saying i'll not bother don't think Tyrone will be getting to the All Ireland Final so shouldn't need to pay the ould membership. These are the lads that love getting to Tyrone matches so may have backfired on them on Round 1. Could never understand this point of view for all membership is over the year I think its great to support your club in this way.
Terrace tickets available online. GB £15.
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I take it this will be a sell out considering its not on the box and lower capacity than Clones. Should make for a good atmosphere. Will tickets only be available from clubs and season ticket holders?
Interestingly heard a few stories about clubs going looking membership and lads saying i'll not bother don't think Tyrone will be getting to the All Ireland Final so shouldn't need to pay the ould membership. These are the lads that love getting to Tyrone matches so may have backfired on them on Round 1. Could never understand this point of view for all membership is over the year I think its great to support your club in this way.
As a club member and I always will be with my club I can see where a minority are coming from by basing it on ticket allocation only. Obv you do get some people who are bigger County supporter.s than Club supporters
But the problem for me is Club membership tickets are usually located in terrible parts of the stands!
The best tickets for the upcoming game are obv seated tickets but only 4 tickets where given per club in Tyrone anyway.
It's actually easier to get a seated ticket by not being a member and just going to a local Super value shop which shudnt be the way either!
With only 2 weeks to go what about discussing our best 15 and if you name a team can you give reasons for why you picked the player there as opposed to someone else.
Who's definitely out injured?
I'd say the Monaghan wans will be trying to lie low and not talk up there team too much for fear some guy on a PC may somehow affect the team's karma. ;)
When was the last time Monaghan beat Tyrone in Omagh in championship?
In fact what is their record like outside Clones?
Feck the skirting round the bush. Tyrone to continue their championship dominance over the Farney. Tyrone 1-16 Monaghan 1-12.
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Tyrone and Monaghan have fine scoring forwards. So I expect to see plenty of scores weather permitting.
Tyrone have found a couple of scrap yard dogs in the defense. So I expect it to be something like Tyrone 2 -15 Monaghan 1-12.
I admire your romanticism. I'm gonna go with the more likely 0-08 to 0-09 to us.
If 0-09 is all you can put past our slapdash defenders then you will definitely not be winning the game.
If this is the level of confidence you have your lads then I don't think you will either. I'll revise my score to 0-06 a piece. ;)
Tyrone don't usually play well in Omagh. Advantage Monaghan.
Monaghan are finished------Tyrone 1-16 Monaghan 0-10
Finished from what?
What have they achieved?
Yes they've improved under Malachy but they've yet to win a game in Croker I think in the last 8.
Getting to the Super 8s (same as last 8 in my eyes) will probably be their main aim and I think with their more attacking style they should achieve that but I dont think they have enough to trouble this Tyrone team who are striving to break into the top 3 themselves and showed last year they have put some distance between them and the chasing pack.
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Finished from what?
What have they achieved?
Yes they've improved under Malachy but they've yet to win a game in Croker I think in the last 8.
Getting to the Super 8s (same as last 8 in my eyes) will probably be their main aim and I think with their more attacking style they should achieve that but I dont think they have enough to trouble this Tyrone team who are striving to break into the top 3 themselves and showed last year they have put some distance between them and the chasing pack.
not sure Monaghan are that far away from Tyrone. Galway in the mix now too but Dubs still well ahead of them all.
Draw guys in an epic
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Draw guys in an epic
Do you like a picture of Achilles in the Iliad or something?
maybe we do Cuchulain in the Brown Bull of Cooley?
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Finished from what?
What have they achieved?
Yes they've improved under Malachy but they've yet to win a game in Croker I think in the last 8.
Getting to the Super 8s (same as last 8 in my eyes) will probably be their main aim and I think with their more attacking style they should achieve that but I dont think they have enough to trouble this Tyrone team who are striving to break into the top 3 themselves and showed last year they have put some distance between them and the chasing pack.
Whilst I somewhat agree with most of the above I am struggling with the statement highlighted in bold. Can you please define 'this Tyonre team', comparing and contrasting perhaps with the excellent team of the 00's (whom I followed throughout that period as most of my friends are hardcore Tyrone folk)?
Arrogance/cockiness etc. is being leveled at some Monaghan posters on here, for getting ahead of themselves and thinking that they're world beaters. The past is one thing and certainly counts for something, but as has been rightly said by a few Tyrone posters on here, there's not that much between the two teams,
at this present time.
To be honest, and as a life long Monaghan supporter I find it quite flattering that folk are even talking about us, never mind accusing us of being arrogant. There were many years where we wouldn't have even got a mention. Now, as one of the smaller counties we have been consistently performing reasonably well... whilst unfortunately not breaking through the top 4 glass ceiling.
I have watched Monaghan throughout the league this year and the most encouraging aspects for me is their economy of effort and the depth in the squad. Any man coming off the bench is expected to contribute, and not just make up the numbers. I also know that they have done much less training this year than in previous years. As has been said, in previous years they would be in 'top gear' at this stage and then would go on to 'drop a valve' in the summer.. They are no doubt planning towards the Super-8s, and why wouldn't they..
Only a week to go before we chase them crazy baldheads out of town.
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Only a week to go before we chase them crazy baldheads out of town.
Is it time for the Hare Krishna convention already?
Let's hope it's a bit tighter than yesterdays training session in Ballybofey. Can't see it being as high-scoring anyhow..
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on May 14, 2018, 02:01:02 PM
Let's hope it's a bit tighter than yesterdays training session in Ballybofey. Can't see it being as high-scoring anyhow..
I disagree.
Any word on the Monaghan injuries for this game. Should we have a full hand I would go with
R Beggan
C Walsh
C Boyle
R Wylie
F Kelly
D Wylie
K O'Connell
N Kierans
D Hughes
D Ward
K Hughes
R McAnsepie
C McCarthy
J McCarron
C McManus
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2018, 02:30:46 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on May 14, 2018, 02:01:02 PM
Let's hope it's a bit tighter than yesterdays training session in Ballybofey. Can't see it being as high-scoring anyhow..
I disagree.
adda boy, yeeeeoooooooowwwwwww!
can ye see it being more open that recent years?
The only open part will be the gates on Sunday.
Quote from: timmyot501 on May 14, 2018, 04:09:15 PM
Any word on the Monaghan injuries for this game. Should we have a full hand I would go with
R Beggan
C Walsh
C Boyle
R Wylie
F Kelly
D Wylie
K O'Connell
N Kierans
D Hughes
D Ward
K Hughes
R McAnsepie
C McCarthy
J McCarron
C McManus
That's as good a team as have ever represented Monaghan but is there no place in the starting line up for the invincible Vinny Corey?
Against the Tyrone horde, the artisan element would need to be beefed up a few notches.
However, I suppose it doesn't matters that much, as Tyrone are already destined to be doomed.
Quote from: timmyot501 on May 14, 2018, 04:09:15 PM
Any word on the Monaghan injuries for this game. Should we have a full hand I would go with
R Beggan
C Walsh
C Boyle
R Wylie
F Kelly
D Wylie
K O'Connell
N Kierans
D Hughes
D Ward
K Hughes
R McAnsepie
C McCarthy
J McCarron
C McManus
Perhaps Corey in for Boyle, if the rumors are right re his injury. I'm not sure if at FB though. Solid looking spine to the team and mobile looking. The forwards will no doubt struggle for space and will not be afforded the ball being played in in front of them, so they'll have to be extremely patient and work as a unit. Likewise, Kelly and O'Connell will need their defensive heads on to shore up the channels at the back that no doubt Harte/Donnelly/McCann will exploit.
A team on paper is one thing however, how they turn up mentally is all important..
Looking forward to it..
Quote from: Main Street on May 15, 2018, 01:32:50 AM
Quote from: timmyot501 on May 14, 2018, 04:09:15 PM
Any word on the Monaghan injuries for this game. Should we have a full hand I would go with
R Beggan
C Walsh
C Boyle
R Wylie
F Kelly
D Wylie
K O'Connell
N Kierans
D Hughes
D Ward
K Hughes
R McAnsepie
C McCarthy
J McCarron
C McManus
That's as good a team as have ever represented Monaghan but is there no place in the starting line up for the invincible Vinny Corey?
Against the Tyrone horde, the artisan element would need to be beefed up a few notches.
However, I suppose it doesn't matters that much, as Tyrone are already destined to be doomed.
Tyrone very much up against it facing the golden generation of Monaghan footballers. The best ever Monaghan team v a Tyrone team trying to re-establish itself. It would be exceptionally embarrassing for Monaghan to lose this one. Huge pressure on them!!
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 15, 2018, 10:28:28 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 15, 2018, 01:32:50 AM
Quote from: timmyot501 on May 14, 2018, 04:09:15 PM
Any word on the Monaghan injuries for this game. Should we have a full hand I would go with
R Beggan
C Walsh
C Boyle
R Wylie
F Kelly
D Wylie
K O'Connell
N Kierans
D Hughes
D Ward
K Hughes
R McAnsepie
C McCarthy
J McCarron
C McManus
That's as good a team as have ever represented Monaghan but is there no place in the starting line up for the invincible Vinny Corey?
Against the Tyrone horde, the artisan element would need to be beefed up a few notches.
However, I suppose it doesn't matters that much, as Tyrone are already destined to be doomed.
Tyrone very much up against it facing the golden generation of Monaghan footballers. The best ever Monaghan team v a Tyrone team trying to re-establish itself. It would be exceptionally embarrassing for Monaghan to lose this one. Huge pressure on them!!
Best team ever and that's before the invincible Vinny Corey gets added in. Hard not to be a little concerned from a Tyrone point of view.
Quote from: timmyot501 on May 14, 2018, 04:09:15 PM
Any word on the Monaghan injuries for this game. Should we have a full hand I would go with
R Beggan
C Walsh
C Boyle
R Wylie
F Kelly
D Wylie
K O'Connell
N Kierans
D Hughes
D Ward
K Hughes
R McAnsepie
C McCarthy
J McCarron
C McManus
I wouldn't be surprised if one of McCarron or McCarthy were held in reserve and someone like Malone started instead.
Quote from: Schkite on May 15, 2018, 10:51:27 AM
Quote from: timmyot501 on May 14, 2018, 04:09:15 PM
Any word on the Monaghan injuries for this game. Should we have a full hand I would go with
R Beggan
C Walsh
C Boyle
R Wylie
F Kelly
D Wylie
K O'Connell
N Kierans
D Hughes
D Ward
K Hughes
R McAnsepie
C McCarthy
J McCarron
C McManus
I wouldn't be surprised if one of McCarron or McCarthy were held in reserve and someone like Malone started instead.
Good point, forgot about Malone.. he'd definitely be more suited to this kind of fare..
O Duffy an option at HF too but can't see him starting.
K Duffy could well be drafted into defense too..
Sure who knows a f*%K...
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on May 15, 2018, 11:13:40 AM
Quote from: Schkite on May 15, 2018, 10:51:27 AM
Quote from: timmyot501 on May 14, 2018, 04:09:15 PM
Any word on the Monaghan injuries for this game. Should we have a full hand I would go with
R Beggan
C Walsh
C Boyle
R Wylie
F Kelly
D Wylie
K O'Connell
N Kierans
D Hughes
D Ward
K Hughes
R McAnsepie
C McCarthy
J McCarron
C McManus
I wouldn't be surprised if one of McCarron or McCarthy were held in reserve and someone like Malone started instead.
Good point, forgot about Malone.. he'd definitely be more suited to this kind of fare..
O Duffy an option at HF too but can't see him starting.
K Duffy could well be drafted into defense too..
Sure who knows a f*%K...
Yeah I forgot about O Duffy, I could see him and one of McCarron/McCarthy to come on in the second half as good scoring options off the bench. You could see K Duffy start as you say and Kelly start as a half forward.
Probably the qualifiers will suit Tyrone anyway, build momentum when the ground is firmer.
Was listening to Wooly Parkinson's podcast earlier (easily the best out there) and they were discussing the potential of the fly keeper becoming a more widespread tactic this summer. Apparently, Graham Brody of Laois made a few forays out the field to create the overlap and maintain possession. They were also discussing it on off the ball, too.
One thing mentioned was it would need to be a keeper who is a very confident 'baller' and would be secure in possesion.
This got me thinking about our game on Sunday as both Morgan (plays outfield for his club) and Beggan strike me as two keepers who you'd be pretty confident with ball in hand. There will be serious pressure on kick outs and we're likely to see plenty of high presses which lends itself to the fly keeper option.
Am I right in thinking Morgan tried this a few times in the league to half decent effect? However, the second goal agaisnt Dublin was conceded by a messed up short kick out routine.
My left field bet is for one of the keepers to score a point from play.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 15, 2018, 08:13:15 PM
My left field bet is for one of the keepers to score a point from play.
Beggan actually scored a point from play in a club game last year - though I doubt he'll be allowed the same space on Sunday!
I think ya stand a better chance by starting Mc Carron, Mc Carthy and Mc Manus inside and trying to blitz us. Our defence is young inexperienced and not as sheltered by the forwards as previous years.
Playing malone and grinding it out against us is just more of the same failed tactics that o rourke has been using for 6 odd years against us.
MH really needs to let us loose on Sunday. I know he has said he wont abandon his tactics but we have to be let of the leash at some stage.
Monaghan will bring plenty of dirt and off the ball antics on Sunday. The best way to counter this is to play an open brand of football and stretch them all over the field.
Either way I expect a win by at least 3 points
Colm Cavanagh fit. Huge boost for Tyrone.
Quote from: trailer on May 16, 2018, 10:24:08 AM
Colm Cavanagh fit. Huge boost for Tyrone.
Heard this also, him and Brennan completed a full in house match in Healy Park last weekend! Massive boost to Tyrone, even if the sharpeness isnt there 100%, the role he plays is crucial, esp against forwards like McCarthy, McManus and McCarron, Colly Cav will be crusical to intercepting alot of balls hit into these men!!
I heard that weeks ago but of course you never know for sure til Sunday.
The full back line will probably be the one with the most calls to make and does he fit McNamee in somewhere if not in the FB line?
Usually a first round game has at least one surprise inclusion in it ?
Is Mulgrew fit for selection? Would it be better to start Bradley and bring on Lee Brennan? Monaghan will be well hyped up to show Brennan what real Ulster SENIOR football is all about I'd say.
I know I sound arrogant but I think we will win this handy enough. I'll say 5 points.
Don't suppose anyone has a stand ticket they wanna swap for a terrace ticket?
Expectation must be fairly high in Monaghan? Looks like the strongest Monaghan team on paper I've seen.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 16, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Expectation must be fairly high in Monaghan? Looks like the strongest Monaghan team on paper I've seen.
Monaghan people I've been chatting to are very confident, bordering on cocky. I've heard it all before from them so now its time for them to deliver against Tyrone. They certainly have the team now to do it but will be a big ask.
Monaghan had a good league and seem more confident playing at that level now. Would be wary enough of them. I still expect Tyrone to win, though I thought they would have given Dublin a game last August!
Cavanagh being fit would be a big boost.
Remarkably quiet on here before such a big match that's not gonna be on TV.
I'd say the Monaghan wans want to keep their head down and not be showing how much they're looking forward to this game and how this is probably their best chance in years to beat Tyrone in their own back yard.
Any team that beat Dublin,, even if it was a meaningless game, have something worthwhile and there is no doubt they will want to lay down a hell of a marker to show they are indeed a force in Ulster and a strong Div 1 team
Tyrone, however, often ssssssss....tuttter in their first round home games in Omagh with quite a few bad defeats there over the years. However, I do believe this team have kicked on with most of the team now backboned by that AI winning U21 team and they know they are stronger that last year, especially with Frank Burns and Lee Brennan to name a few.
Mickey usually throws in one surprise inclusion in his 1st team of the year so I'm gonna guess he goes for something like this with a few surprises when they line out.
Morgan
McCarron
Hampsey
HP McGeary
Conor Meyler
Frank Burns
Ronan McNabb
Colm Cavanagh
Cathal McShane
Mark Bradley
Niall Sludden
Peter Harte
Lee Brennan
Mattie Donnelly
McAliskey
As we know positions mean nothing any more so just cause they're named in the half forward or at FF doesn't mean they will stay there
McNabb
Did he get much game time in the league?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 17, 2018, 03:39:21 PM
Remarkably quiet on here before such a big match that's not gonna be on TV.
I'd say the Monaghan wans want to keep their head down and not be showing how much they're looking forward to this game and how this is probably their best chance in years to beat Tyrone in their own back yard.
Any team that beat Dublin,, even if it was a meaningless game, have something worthwhile and there is no doubt they will want to lay down a hell of a marker to show they are indeed a force in Ulster and a strong Div 1 team
Tyrone, however, often ssssssss....tuttter in their first round home games in Omagh with quite a few bad defeats there over the years. However, I do believe this team have kicked on with most of the team now backboned by that AI winning U21 team and they know they are stronger that last year, especially with Frank Burns and Lee Brennan to name a few.
Mickey usually throws in one surprise inclusion in his 1st team of the year so I'm gonna guess he goes for something like this with a few surprises when they line out.
Morgan
McCarron
Hampsey
HP McGeary
Conor Meyler
Frank Burns
Ronan McNabb
Colm Cavanagh
Cathal McShane
Mark Bradley
Niall Sludden
Peter Harte
Lee Brennan
Mattie Donnelly
McAliskey
As we know positions mean nothing any more so just cause they're named in the half forward or at FF doesn't mean they will stay there
For a man that sees no club games you make some random selections.
1 N Morgan
2 P Hamspey
3 R McNamee
4 C McCarron
5 T McCann
6 F Burns
7 P Harte
8 C Cavanagh
9 M Donnelly
10 C McShane
11 N Sludden
12 C Meyler
13 L Brennan
14 C McAliskey
15 M Bradley
16 M O'Neill
17 R Brennan
18 R Donnelly
19 C McCann
20 D McClure
21 A McCrory
22 HP McGeary
23 K McGeary
24 M McKernan
25 P McNulty
26 R O'Neill
Normally the team he picks plays.....if McCann and cavanagh start it is a massive gamble as they have played no football. Saw McCann against moy in league and he was terrible.
If Monaghan have a full deck and the Hughes and McManus are on song they have a great chance.
There's not going to be much impact coming from that bench to be honest. Think we'll win but not saying that with any degree of confidence.
That named Tyrone forward line is very small - only McCarron has any height
Tyrone a bit unlucky with the draw. Cavan or Armagh would have been an easier start.
Quote from: redhandefender on May 17, 2018, 09:05:08 PM
For a man that sees no club games you make some random selections.
For a man that sees no club games 13 out of 15 isn't bad.
Did you even try to name a team?
I hope McAliskey gets back to decent form, as he can be a great player but thought he had a quiet enough league.
How's he playing for Clonoe?
Is Mulgrew in the squad and just not named or is he out? He would be the only forward that you would get excited about coming on though Roanie has a habit of coming on in the last 15 and scoring a goal or 2.
Am I right to say of the 11 "named" subs that only Ronan O'Neill is the only recognized forward or would you include Richie in that as well?
Has it always been this hard to get tickets for the stand? Only 4 per club is that right?
I'd say the ref will have his job cut out for him on Sunday.
No doubt O'Rourke will have them well fired up for a battle and saying this is our best chance to beat these feckers in their own back yard. It's always a feisty game between the two anyway in Clones but I'd say teams come to Omagh intent on making a big statement .
It will be interesting to see how we deal with McManus now that he has a few others around him and are not just a one man forward line. You'd imagine CC will be sitting in front of him with I'd say Hampsey marking him. I hope not McNamee but maybe McCarron.
Most of the media points towards a Tyrone victory, and that the time is now for a more balanced Tyrone approach, the errors of the Dublin game being in the distant past and Mickey Harte has reincarnated once more, etc.
Whilst I agree somewhat it sets it up nicely for Monaghan, who are also no doubt confident of doing the business. I was more confident at the start of the week than I am now.. the confidence being usurped by nervous butterflies.. As has been stated Monaghan need to go at them from the start, and dictate the terms of play. If they get drawn into a dog-fight I feel we'll lose, as discipline in high pressure games like this has been a problem for us in the past. Based on this my starting team would be:
R Beggan,
R Wylie, C Boyle, C Walshe
K O'Connell, D Wylie, F Kelly
N Kierans, D Hughes
D Ward, C McCarthy, R McAnespie
J McCarron, K Hughes, C McManus
Subs: S Garland, V Corey, K Duffy, O Duffy, D Mone, N McAdam, P McKenna, T Kerr, B Kerr, D Malone, David Garland
If Boyle doesn't make it D Wylie to FB and K Duffy/V Corey to CHB. Kelly could start in the HF line pushing McAnespie to the bench and moving K Duffy/V Corey to wing HB.
As has been said of Tyrone, numbers on jerseys are largely academic. Monaghan will need serious pace (to both attack and defend..) and more importantly discipline..
That's a pretty strong looking Monaghan team on paper.
What sort of form has jack mccarron been in this year?
After a great league last year he had a very disappointing championship overall
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 18, 2018, 12:52:18 PM
That's a pretty strong looking Monaghan team on paper.
What sort of form has jack mccarron been in this year?
After a great league last year he had a very disappointing championship overall
He's been in good form. Started a few games and brought on in others to good effect, most notably in the Dub game.. He does a serious amount of work off the ball, which is not typical for an inside forward and doesn't really get noticed. I like this aspect about him.
You're right thought, last year his league form definitely did not translate into C'ship.. Mind you, there was a sight of talk and hype about him last year, which I don't think helped his cause. There has been significantly less this year, which may help.
An in form full forward line of himself, K Hughes and McManus will give any team plenty to think about. Of course only any 2 of them (and maybe even 1!) will remain 'inside' at any given time. I mean, this is not the halcyon days of the 80s'.. ;)
Yeah his form is better than last year's championship, though he's never hit the heights of last year's league. But he's been fairly steady all spring at the same time and finished the league off strong with a good performance against Dublin and a cracking goal. Maybe no harm as you say that there's no hype about him this time going into the championship, he'll have learned alot from last year.
The addition of Kearns to the team might be one of the biggest boosts to the forward line - in that it frees up Kieran Hughes to go up front where he can be a very effective target man and take a few scores. Kearns had a great 1st league and brings a bit more of a presence to midfield, and you still have the option of bringing Kieran back there too at times like for kickouts etc.
Just read this in the Irish News
Tyrone have won six of the last seven Championship meetings with the Farney county.
Can anyone remember when we last met them in Omagh in the first round?
That full forward line will take a lot of watching and you imagine you'll see a lot of high ball kicked in to test our FB line early on. I can see us revert to a very defensive system for the first half at least as that FF line has goals in them and they can all win their own ball so I can't see them being left one on one much.
We will find it much harder to kick long ball into our FF line and so I can see us reverting back to a running game with a lot more off the shoulder passing that we saw in the league.
If Monaghan score a goal early on and Lee Brennan has to go off injured then who do we look to on the bench? Hmmm. Ronan O'Neill?
I'm only reading Sean Cavanagh's article now. I agree with him about us reverting to how we played last year.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/no-one-knows-where-tyrone-are-at-sean-cavanagh-hoping-to-see-impact-of-stephen-oneill-in-red-hand-attack-36915715.html
For all but one of Sean Cavanagh's 16 seasons with Tyrone, he served the one master and the former Red Hand captain knows a little more about Mickey Harte than most.
"Mickey's certainly the boss," Cavanagh responds when asked whether players have an input in team meetings. "No, no, you don't stand up, no. Mickey's very single-minded in his approach and I think anyone who knows him (feels the same)."
Cavanagh details "quite an autocratic style" of leadership during Harte's lengthy reign and doubts whether Tyrone will adopt a more attacking approach against Monaghan following their harrowing All-Ireland SFC semi-final loss to Dublin last August.
Former Footballer of the Year Stephen O'Neill was drafted into the backroom team by Harte to add a fresh attacking impetus and his influence has been lauded but Cavanagh questions whether they will revert to type when the pressure comes on.
"I've heard decent reports that Stevie's having a bit of input on the training ground so you would hope that that's starting to show. Some of the scores they put up during the league, you would hope that's the hallmarks of that work," the Moy clubman says.
"Sunday will tell the tale. It's only when you're put into that championship game where Mickey feels threatened, it'll be interesting to see if he reverts to what he knows or whether he goes and pushes that bit more.
"No one really knows exactly where this Tyrone team is at the moment. Most people don't like the idea of Tyrone continuing to defend as much as we had been doing, so everyone is waiting on unleashing another couple of attackers or a new formation."
Would he have sacrificed an Ulster title to play more expansive football?
"It's easy to say it now but at the time, genuinely, and this is the big thing, when you're an inter-county footballer, and Mickey is a very convincing manager as well, whenever you're in that zone, you think nothing else but what Mickey is telling you.
"It's only on reflection afterwards that you realise that you would have liked maybe to try something different. At the time I was 100pc convinced that we'd win an All-Ireland last year.
"I'm getting to see with the bit of media work that I'm doing, you realise that as a player you take offence so easily. When someone tries to run down your team or you personally, you think automatically and assume they're out to get you and have an agenda.
"When you take a step back out of it all you do see the other see and realise that it's not always the case and that some people outside of your bubble are right and you're not right."
Similar
The five-time All-Star expects a cagey affair similar to last Sunday's Galway/Mayo slugfest with exciting attackers Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley likely to lead the line against the Farney men in the Ulster SFC quarter-final tie on home soil in Omagh.
His former team-mate Conor Gormley was firm in his belief that the Red Hand are lacking marquee forwards but Cavanagh disagrees and feels many quality attackers have gone by the wayside as a result of the system employed, name-checking the likes of Ronan O'Neill, Darren McCurry, Kyle Coney and Niall McKenna.
"We haven't really played with any structure in the forward unit, that's probably the best way of putting it. There's been a flood of guys who probably have suffered because we haven't played with six attackers," the 35-year-old outlines.
"And some of those guys have obviously fallen away and aren't on the panel anymore. That's probably not all their own fault. If I'm honest, it's just the way the system, or the type of football, has gone. Some of those type of players have suffered.
"Some of those guys I would have called marquee, and thought they would be marquee. But because they never had that room to breathe and because some of them couldn't cope with having to spend more time on the bench, because we were going towards a certain type of player, they struggled.
"They were victims of the system, that's exactly what they were. It's sad that, because some of them have as much talent or possibly more talent than some of the older (guys), the guys that were on some of the older teams that myself and Conor played on.
"But they just haven't been given that opportunity to play, which is just tough. Quite a number of those players are forward players that have gone through confidence issues that if they'd been playing in a system that....you know, Tyrone naturally don't kick the ball much.
"And then being pulled ashore and fall down the pecking order. They're all there and you should see some of the stuff they do at training but unfortunately they don't have the confidence or don't have the... are maybe not stuck with the same way when the game would be 15 v 15.
"When things aren't going well there's a temptation for Mickey to go for a different style of player, a style of player that works hard and labours around the midfield and that can run the ball quick through the hands."
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 18, 2018, 02:03:41 PM
Just read this in the Irish News
Tyrone have won six of the last seven Championship meetings with the Farney county.
Can anyone remember when we last met them in Omagh in the first round?
That full forward line will take a lot of watching and you imagine you'll see a lot of high ball kicked in to test our FB line early on. I can see us revert to a very defensive system for the first half at least as that FF line has goals in them and they can all win their own ball so I can't see them being left one on one much.
We will find it much harder to kick long ball into our FF line and so I can see us reverting back to a running game with a lot more off the shoulder passing that we saw in the league.
If Monaghan score a goal early on and Lee Brennan has to go off injured then who do we look to on the bench? Hmmm. Ronan O'Neill?
I'm only reading Sean Cavanagh's article now. I agree with him about us reverting to how we played last year.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/no-one-knows-where-tyrone-are-at-sean-cavanagh-hoping-to-see-impact-of-stephen-oneill-in-red-hand-attack-36915715.html
For all but one of Sean Cavanagh's 16 seasons with Tyrone, he served the one master and the former Red Hand captain knows a little more about Mickey Harte than most.
"Mickey's certainly the boss," Cavanagh responds when asked whether players have an input in team meetings. "No, no, you don't stand up, no. Mickey's very single-minded in his approach and I think anyone who knows him (feels the same)."
Cavanagh details "quite an autocratic style" of leadership during Harte's lengthy reign and doubts whether Tyrone will adopt a more attacking approach against Monaghan following their harrowing All-Ireland SFC semi-final loss to Dublin last August.
Former Footballer of the Year Stephen O'Neill was drafted into the backroom team by Harte to add a fresh attacking impetus and his influence has been lauded but Cavanagh questions whether they will revert to type when the pressure comes on.
"I've heard decent reports that Stevie's having a bit of input on the training ground so you would hope that that's starting to show. Some of the scores they put up during the league, you would hope that's the hallmarks of that work," the Moy clubman says.
"Sunday will tell the tale. It's only when you're put into that championship game where Mickey feels threatened, it'll be interesting to see if he reverts to what he knows or whether he goes and pushes that bit more.
"No one really knows exactly where this Tyrone team is at the moment. Most people don't like the idea of Tyrone continuing to defend as much as we had been doing, so everyone is waiting on unleashing another couple of attackers or a new formation."
Would he have sacrificed an Ulster title to play more expansive football?
"It's easy to say it now but at the time, genuinely, and this is the big thing, when you're an inter-county footballer, and Mickey is a very convincing manager as well, whenever you're in that zone, you think nothing else but what Mickey is telling you.
"It's only on reflection afterwards that you realise that you would have liked maybe to try something different. At the time I was 100pc convinced that we'd win an All-Ireland last year.
"I'm getting to see with the bit of media work that I'm doing, you realise that as a player you take offence so easily. When someone tries to run down your team or you personally, you think automatically and assume they're out to get you and have an agenda.
"When you take a step back out of it all you do see the other see and realise that it's not always the case and that some people outside of your bubble are right and you're not right."
Similar
The five-time All-Star expects a cagey affair similar to last Sunday's Galway/Mayo slugfest with exciting attackers Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley likely to lead the line against the Farney men in the Ulster SFC quarter-final tie on home soil in Omagh.
His former team-mate Conor Gormley was firm in his belief that the Red Hand are lacking marquee forwards but Cavanagh disagrees and feels many quality attackers have gone by the wayside as a result of the system employed, name-checking the likes of Ronan O'Neill, Darren McCurry, Kyle Coney and Niall McKenna.
"We haven't really played with any structure in the forward unit, that's probably the best way of putting it. There's been a flood of guys who probably have suffered because we haven't played with six attackers," the 35-year-old outlines.
"And some of those guys have obviously fallen away and aren't on the panel anymore. That's probably not all their own fault. If I'm honest, it's just the way the system, or the type of football, has gone. Some of those type of players have suffered.
"Some of those guys I would have called marquee, and thought they would be marquee. But because they never had that room to breathe and because some of them couldn't cope with having to spend more time on the bench, because we were going towards a certain type of player, they struggled.
"They were victims of the system, that's exactly what they were. It's sad that, because some of them have as much talent or possibly more talent than some of the older (guys), the guys that were on some of the older teams that myself and Conor played on.
"But they just haven't been given that opportunity to play, which is just tough. Quite a number of those players are forward players that have gone through confidence issues that if they'd been playing in a system that....you know, Tyrone naturally don't kick the ball much.
"And then being pulled ashore and fall down the pecking order. They're all there and you should see some of the stuff they do at training but unfortunately they don't have the confidence or don't have the... are maybe not stuck with the same way when the game would be 15 v 15.
"When things aren't going well there's a temptation for Mickey to go for a different style of player, a style of player that works hard and labours around the midfield and that can run the ball quick through the hands."
Mickey has similarities with Arsene Wenger. 3 titles quite a while ago, a long period in charge and the team some way off the required standard. Or maybe not. Let's see on Sunday
Great comparison Seafoid. Would never have thought of it myself. And did you really need to quote the whole post to say that. Think of those on their phones.
::)
I'd presume most ALL neutrals will be supporting Monaghan on Sunday.
Who's the ref?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 18, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
Great comparison Seafoid. Would never have thought of it myself. And did you really need to quote the whole post to say that. Think of those on their phones.
::)
I'd presume most ALL neutrals will be supporting Monaghan on Sunday.
Who's the ref?
David Coldrick
Quote from: Ball Hopper on May 18, 2018, 03:52:17 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 18, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
Great comparison Seafoid. Would never have thought of it myself. And did you really need to quote the whole post to say that. Think of those on their phones.
::)
I'd presume most ALL neutrals will be supporting Monaghan on Sunday.
Who's the ref?
David Coldrick
>:(
I heard Devenny on Off the Ball saying that he's heard McManus is out and Cavanagh could be too. Is he bullshitting away as usual or has anyone else heard that?
There are some stand tickets currently available online if anyone is interested..
70/1 both games this weekend are a draw.
And 30 years ago....bastid robbed us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0iR1mIRm-Q
Quote from: ONeill on May 18, 2018, 06:38:21 PM
And 30 years ago....bastid robbed us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0iR1mIRm-Q
Twas completely outrageous
>:( >:(
A lot of confident talk coming out of Monaghan. Talk of the best Monaghan team ever etc. I just wonder where the optimism is coming from? A decent league campaign maybe? But in last years championship as Tyrone strolled through Ulster, Monaghan struggled, losing to Down, what's changed? Tyrone have taken a lot of stick for the defeat to Dublin yet Monaghan's capitulation to the same team seems to have been air brushed from history. There's a lot of talk about Tyrone needing to prove themselves this season but I think Monaghan have much more to prove. They've been chugging along with the same management team and many of the same players and never really kicked on when the pressure is applied. For me this is do or die for Monaghan, all the pressure is on them, Tyrone know they can navigate the back door, Monaghan have scars of the likes of Longford just 2 seasons ago and can't risk the perils of the scenic route. They haven't handled pressure well in the past so I can't see anything other than a Tyrone victory. We were streaks ahead in Ulster last year and if we have tweaked our gameplan to be even a little more offensive then I think we will be a better version than last year. That's a lot of ground for the Ulster teams to make up in 12 months. No doubt I'll have egg on my face by 5.30pm tomorrow. 😄
And I've seen people talk of the arrogance of Monaghan people ::)
There are genuine reasons for optimism for anyone who's watched any of Monaghan this year, it doesn't mean we're going to win tomorrrow or whatever, but we're on the right track. Tyrone have the better record when we meet but they don't have a god given right to win these games. Tyrone are a good outfit but it's not 2008 anymore, there's not much between the teams really if you ask me. Tyrone are rightly favourites given they've won the last 2 Ulsters and are at home, but I see no reason why Monaghan people shouldn't feel confident that we can go there and get a result.
There's nothing between the sides. If McManus plays I think they have the edge.
Link to this talk of 'best Monaghan team ever' ??
Quote from: Boycey on May 19, 2018, 09:57:25 AM
Link to this talk of 'best Monaghan team ever' ??
Some Monaghan poster said it a few pages back
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 19, 2018, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: Boycey on May 19, 2018, 09:57:25 AM
Link to this talk of 'best Monaghan team ever' ??
Some Monaghan poster said it a few pages back
Do you think he was a spokesman for us all?
Even though it's almost certain to change, might as well post the Monaghan team:
Rory Beggan
Colin Walshe
Drew Wylie
Ryan Wylie
Kieran Duffy
Vinny Corey
Karl O'Connell
Niall Kearns
Darren Hughes
Fintan Kelly
Jack McCarron
Dessie Ward
Conor McCarthy
Kieran Hughes
Conor McManus.
Subs:
Conor Forde
Conor Boyle
Barry Kerr
Dessie Mone
Neil McAdam
Paudie McKenna
Dermot Malone
Owen Duffy
Ryan McAnespie
David Garland
Shane Carey
Strange that Boyle isn't named on the team but is still on the bench, maybe they're giving him til the last minute to get over the injury. I like the look of the forward line but I wouldn't be surprised to see changes there either. I think you might see McAnespie start as he'd be a good man for tracking the runs of a Tyrone wingback.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 19, 2018, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: Boycey on May 19, 2018, 09:57:25 AM
Link to this talk of 'best Monaghan team ever' ??
Some Monaghan poster said it a few pages back
Their training sessions are going very well I heard. Sometimes a good team becomes a great team, something clicks. Monaghan sound in that special zone now.
Quote from: Boycey on May 19, 2018, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 19, 2018, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: Boycey on May 19, 2018, 09:57:25 AM
Link to this talk of 'best Monaghan team ever' ??
Some Monaghan poster said it a few pages back
Do you think he was a spokesman for us all?
I was just responding to what was being discussed.
Hope Monaghan win this and go on to win Ulster but probably will be disappointed.
Tickets all gone online
what age is vinny corey
McManus out???
Brendan Devenney announced it on Newstalk.
And Colm... quid pro quo
Quote from: skeog on May 19, 2018, 05:13:31 PM
Brendan Devenney announced it on Newstalk.
He's the only person I've heard say this and he's a bit of a bullshitter at the best of times, so I'll not be taking it as gospel just yet.
It's been rumoured for best part of a fortnight that McManus not fit
Quote from: Boycey on May 19, 2018, 06:17:05 PM
It's been rumoured for best part of a fortnight that McManus not fit
Fair enough, maybe I'm just not in the loop. But I hadn't read anywhere here about it for example before yesterday.
Quote from: Schkite on May 19, 2018, 06:27:00 PM
Quote from: Boycey on May 19, 2018, 06:17:05 PM
It's been rumoured for best part of a fortnight that McManus not fit
Fair enough, maybe I'm just not in the loop. But I hadn't read anywhere here about it for example before yesterday.
I've no clue whether he's fit or not to be honest but being a cynic I'd say Devenney doesn't know either but if he's right he's ITK if he's not no one will remember..
mc manus and boyle both sat out a club game for clontibret about 2 weeks ago. and it was a 5 point game.
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 19, 2018, 07:01:13 PM
mc manus and boyle both sat out a club game for clontibret about 2 weeks ago. and it was a 5 point game.
lol that's cause it was a starred game
Quote from: redzone on May 19, 2018, 07:15:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 19, 2018, 07:01:13 PM
mc manus and boyle both sat out a club game for clontibret about 2 weeks ago. and it was a 5 point game.
lol that's cause it was a starred game
they dont have starred games in monaghan this year thicko.
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 19, 2018, 07:16:02 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 19, 2018, 07:15:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 19, 2018, 07:01:13 PM
mc manus and boyle both sat out a club game for clontibret about 2 weeks ago. and it was a 5 point game.
lol that's cause it was a starred game
they dont have starred games in monaghan this year thicko.
Christ what an utter moron. That's the point of the 5 point games
read my originall post, it was a 5 point game. u get that?
Why didn't you say that then
Theres 2 of you in it as far as I can see....
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 19, 2018, 07:16:02 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 19, 2018, 07:15:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 19, 2018, 07:01:13 PM
mc manus and boyle both sat out a club game for clontibret about 2 weeks ago. and it was a 5 point game.
lol that's cause it was a starred game
they dont have starred games in monaghan this year thicko.
:D :D
im not rejoining this conversation until someone explains the new monaghan club format to redzone. please someone do it for me. i cant be bothered.
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 19, 2018, 08:07:34 PM
im not rejoining this conversation until someone explains the new monaghan club format to redzone. please someone do it for me. i cant be bothered.
I'm not convinced you understand it either.
Fair enough I'm wrong you know more about the club scene than I do.
Quote from: redzone on May 19, 2018, 08:11:56 PM
Fair enough I'm wrong you know more about the club scene than I do.
ok just dont be surprised if neither boyle or mc manus start for monaghan.
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 19, 2018, 08:07:34 PM
im not rejoining this conversation until someone explains the new monaghan club format to redzone. please someone do it for me. i cant be bothered.
Take note everyone we have a chance to rid ourselves of STG for an entire thread
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 19, 2018, 08:07:34 PM
im not rejoining this conversation until someone explains the new monaghan club format to redzone. please someone do it for me. i cant be bothered.
Ah he's please God no one explain this to this fermanagh clown so we can hear the last of him. Hasn't a clue
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 19, 2018, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: Boycey on May 19, 2018, 09:57:25 AM
Link to this talk of 'best Monaghan team ever' ??
Some Monaghan poster said it a few pages back
Probably speaking about Monaghan United!
This game pushed back to 4:20 pm because the minor game has gone to extra time.
Any radio streams lads?
Quote from: Puckoon on May 20, 2018, 03:48:08 PM
Any radio streams lads?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/northern-ireland/43798019
Thanks Benny
Quote from: Puckoon on May 20, 2018, 03:48:08 PM
Any radio streams lads?
Throw in delayed by 20mins so dont panic
Dessie in for Walshe and McAnespie in for McCarthy. I expected a couple of changes but not necessarily those ones.
Tyrone play as selected.
Conor McManus starting so much for the rumours...
Devenny confirmed to be a bullshitter, if you needed any other evidence
10 mins played Tyrone 0-5 Monaghan 0-2
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 20, 2018, 03:54:45 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on May 20, 2018, 03:48:08 PM
Any radio streams lads?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/northern-ireland/43798019
Not sure if it's just me but I'm not getting any link to the radio stream on that page?
Quote from: greatpoint on May 20, 2018, 04:46:23 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 20, 2018, 03:54:45 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on May 20, 2018, 03:48:08 PM
Any radio streams lads?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/northern-ireland/43798019
Not sure if it's just me but I'm not getting any link to the radio stream on that page?
Click on the picture?
Won't work for me either. Northern sound doing it
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 20, 2018, 04:48:49 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on May 20, 2018, 04:46:23 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 20, 2018, 03:54:45 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on May 20, 2018, 03:48:08 PM
Any radio streams lads?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/northern-ireland/43798019
Not sure if it's just me but I'm not getting any link to the radio stream on that page?
Click on the picture?
Yea nothing happening at all, tried it in a different browser as well.
http://northernsound.ie/wp-content/plugins/harpoon-radioplayer/northernsound/ match on there also. 15,059 the attendance
think the bbc streams only work in the north?
I'm in England at the minute and working ok
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 20, 2018, 04:50:35 PM
think the bbc streams only work in the north?
I'm fairly sure I've listened to and watched streams from BBC Sport in the Republic before.
Northern Sound works anyway sound lads.
Five each and Tyrone have the wind advantage and have lost Mark Bradley to injury.
Quote from: greatpoint on May 20, 2018, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 20, 2018, 04:50:35 PM
think the bbc streams only work in the north?
I'm fairly sure I've listened to and watched streams from BBC Sport in the Republic before.
Northern Sound works anyway sound lads.
BBC not working in America. RTE only one I can get
Corey Goal for Monaghan! Leaves them a point up
What age is he now anyway?
HT Tyrone 0-8 Monaghan 1-7 Vinny Corey Goal two mins into injury time.
Niall Morgan a very lucky boy?
Monaghan 1-07 Tyrone 0-08 HT
Looking good for Monaghan.
All the crying about RYE covering hurling. This is woeful.
Stupid act by Morgan I can only suspect that provocation was a mitigating factor. Could easily have been red, probably beggans yellow at the other end helped make coldricks mind up.
Defences on top. Harte and Sludden not in game. Burns, Mc namee, Mc cann, Hampstey playing really well. Colly showing lack of sharpness. Lee winning every ball it into him but unwilling to take on man. Donnelly getting huge change out of Vinny, who's not fit to stop him. Ron anon since he came on. The rest are playing in fits and starts.
big chance for monaghan now with the wind if they can hold their nerve. only 15000 at it. over 3k short of selling out in the end. v poor attendances at ulster games so far.
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 20, 2018, 05:21:19 PM
big chance for monaghan now with the wind if they can hold their nerve. only 15000 at it. over 3k short of selling out in the end. v poor attendances at ulster games so far.
I think the Dublin match last year blew a hole in Tyrone's aura and that Monaghan wouldn't necessarily be afraid of it.
Quote from: trileacman on May 20, 2018, 05:21:12 PM
Stupid act by Morgan I can only suspect that provocation was a mitigating factor. Could easily have been red, probably beggans yellow at the other end helped make coldricks mind up.
Defences on top. Harte and Sludden not in game. Burns, Mc namee, Mc cann, Hampstey playing really well. Colly showing lack of sharpness. Lee winning every ball it into him but unwilling to take on man. Donnelly getting huge change out of Vinny, who's not fit to stop him. Ron anon since he came on. The rest are playing in fits and starts.
Stopping quick kickouts seems to have become a huge tactic. Last night we had ricey and fermanagh kicking on balls throughout the match to disrupt armagh's quick kickouts. Mccarron obviously was trying to prevent a quick kickout and morgan took exception. The gaa need to bring in a rule to stop this as you wouldn't see it in any other sport. It's embarrassing for our sport.
Great start to the 2nd half for Monaghan. Colm Cavanagh was subbed off at half time.
4 points in it now.
47 mins played Tyrone 0-11 Monaghan 1-10 very competitive contest as expected pure nonsense that this game isn't live on television
Only 1 point in it now 1-11 to 0-13
Rory Beggan kicking some very important scores. Monaghan 3 points ahead again.
61 mins gone Tyrone 0-15 Monaghan 1-13
level! Go on Tyrone
Great match
McManus free, Monaghan back in front. 3 mins to play.
Monaghan by 2
Squeaky Bum time...might need a goal
Monaghan by 3
Tyrone 0-16 Monaghan 1-16. 5 mins of injury time to play
By 4 now
Sounds like McManus threw off the shackles in the past 5mins
The nirvana of irritation on the radio
Brian Carty
Tommy Tom Carr
And a Monaghan yahoo too close to the mike.
Harte Red....
Peter Harte straight red a big blow for their next match.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on May 20, 2018, 06:09:35 PM
The nirvana of irritation on the radio
Brian Carty
Tommy Tom Carr
And a Monaghan yahoo too close to the mike.
But you'd take it in November.
Monaghan better at taking their scores.
Monaghan win.
Tyrone 1-16 Monaghan 1-18. Late goal for Tyrone too little too late. Fully deserved win for Monaghan.
Fortress Healy eh?
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2018, 06:11:14 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on May 20, 2018, 06:09:35 PM
The nirvana of irritation on the radio
Brian Carty
Tommy Tom Carr
And a Monaghan yahoo too close to the mike.
But you'd take it in November.
Wha?
As expected.
I can see Monaghan reaching the final this year if they avoid a Dub semi.
Fair play Monaghan sounds like they had our measure today.
Goal was crucial and they showed great character to pull clear when we pulled level
No harm to see Tyrone beaten especially in their own back yard. Well done to Monaghan its their Ulster title to lose now.
Mickey Harte said "Monaghan will not de-foetus."
But Tyrone's Ulster championship campaign has been unexpectedly aborted.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 20, 2018, 06:14:34 PM
Fortress Healy eh?
Any time Tyrone had a good team they had decent forwards. You can't win much with just process.
Tyrone will have good forwards again.
Ronan O'Neill not a happy bunny. Had words with Mickey before throwing the gloves away in disgust.
tyrone have plenty of good forwards. they have been ruined by harte.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 20, 2018, 06:16:43 PM
Fair play Monaghan sounds like they had our measure today.
Goal was crucial and they showed great character to pull clear when we pulled level
Sounds like it was a cracking game. Disgraceful that a round robin hurling game was chosen ahead of it for live tv coverage.
So when and where is Tyrone v Mayo ??????
Quote from: lenny on May 20, 2018, 06:25:16 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 20, 2018, 06:16:43 PM
Fair play Monaghan sounds like they had our measure today.
Goal was crucial and they showed great character to pull clear when we pulled level
Sounds like it was a cracking game. Disgraceful that a round robin hurling game was chosen ahead of it for live tv coverage.
Cracking game? It was dirge
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on May 20, 2018, 06:20:41 PM
Ronan O'Neill not a happy bunny. Had words with Mickey before throwing the gloves away in disgust.
If he had his name on the scoresheet he might have something to yap about
Quote from: lenny on May 20, 2018, 06:25:16 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 20, 2018, 06:16:43 PM
Fair play Monaghan sounds like they had our measure today.
Goal was crucial and they showed great character to pull clear when we pulled level
Sounds like it was a cracking game. Disgraceful that a round robin hurling game was chosen ahead of it for live tv coverage.
It's on at 7 bbc 2. Knock yourself out
Quote from: sid waddell on May 20, 2018, 06:17:14 PM
Mickey Harte said "Monaghan will not de-foetus."
But Tyrone's Ulster championship campaign has been unexpectedly aborted.
You said it on twitter and it wasn't funny there either.
Quote from: Hound on May 20, 2018, 06:26:58 PM
So when and where is Tyrone v Mayo ??????
Probably Mayo v Offaly and Tyrone v London in round 1 and both will get more soft draws to allow both play in the super 8s
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 20, 2018, 06:27:54 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 20, 2018, 06:25:16 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 20, 2018, 06:16:43 PM
Fair play Monaghan sounds like they had our measure today.
Goal was crucial and they showed great character to pull clear when we pulled level
Sounds like it was a cracking game. Disgraceful that a round robin hurling game was chosen ahead of it for live tv coverage.
It's on at 7 bbc 2. Knock yourself out
And tell us again it was a cracking game... horrible game
Quote from: Hound on May 20, 2018, 06:26:58 PM
So when and where is Tyrone v Mayo ??????
Both teams would be praying to be away from home!
Quote from: longballin on May 20, 2018, 06:39:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 20, 2018, 06:27:54 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 20, 2018, 06:25:16 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 20, 2018, 06:16:43 PM
Fair play Monaghan sounds like they had our measure today.
Goal was crucial and they showed great character to pull clear when we pulled level
Sounds like it was a cracking game. Disgraceful that a round robin hurling game was chosen ahead of it for live tv coverage.
It's on at 7 bbc 2. Knock yourself out
And tell us again it was a cracking game... horrible game
Fair enough, I'll watch it and get back to you. Followed it on the radio and they made it sound like it was a great game. Sounds like tyrone may have got it wrong by starting cavanagh, mccann and brennan who were fitness doubts. They all had to come off and it left the team weakened at the business end of the match.
Tyrone lost vast majority of kick outs. Monaghan keeper Beggan was biggest influence controlled the game at times exlent kick outs and knows where the posts are. Morgan's confidence totally evaporated as the game went on.
longballin not sure what you are playing at calling a 1-18 to 1-16 game horrible and dire? have only watched 15 mins of it on BBC so far and its a very enjoyable watch so far just a pity it wasn't live!
The provincial championships are alive and well in both Ulster and Connacht with the two hot favourites Tyrone and Mayo knocked out after their first matches and both were at home also.
Lads is this on bbc ni website at the min?
Not at home so unsure whether I can watch it.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 20, 2018, 07:15:49 PM
longballin not sure what you are playing at calling a 1-18 to 1-16 game horrible and dire? have only watched 15 mins of it on BBC so far and its a very enjoyable watch so far just a pity it wasn't live!
The provincial championships are alive and well in both Ulster and Connacht with the two hot favourites Tyrone and Mayo knocked out after their first matches and both were at home also.
Neither of those 2 teams were hot favourites. Slight favourites possibly.
Some serious haircuts.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 20, 2018, 07:15:49 PM
longballin not sure what you are playing at calling a 1-18 to 1-16 game horrible and dire? have only watched 15 mins of it on BBC so far and its a very enjoyable watch so far just a pity it wasn't live!
The provincial championships are alive and well in both Ulster and Connacht with the two hot favourites Tyrone and Mayo knocked out after their first matches and both were at home also.
Was at the game and feeling of people there it was awful but if that's wat floats your boat go to the next game.
Quote from: lenny on May 20, 2018, 07:23:42 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 20, 2018, 07:15:49 PM
longballin not sure what you are playing at calling a 1-18 to 1-16 game horrible and dire? have only watched 15 mins of it on BBC so far and its a very enjoyable watch so far just a pity it wasn't live!
The provincial championships are alive and well in both Ulster and Connacht with the two hot favourites Tyrone and Mayo knocked out after their first matches and both were at home also.
Neither of those 2 teams were hot favourites. Slight favourites possibly.
Tyrone for Ulster and Mayo for Connacht were 5/4 odds. The value odds were Monaghan,Donegal in Ulster and Galway,Roscommon in Connacht.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on May 20, 2018, 06:09:35 PM
The nirvana of irritation on the radio
Brian Carty
Tommy Tom Carr
And a Monaghan yahoo too close to the mike.
Thanks God for Shannonside and its taking Northern Sound.
Lovely semi biased commentary from Gunner and was it Nudie?
Nearly blew the radio out if the car with Monaghan's first goal ;D
Quote from: Hound on May 20, 2018, 06:26:58 PM
So when and where is Tyrone v Mayo ??????
What is it with Dubs and their obsession with Mayo. You should be focusing on you next Leinster championship game away to Wicklow in their home pitch at Aughrim7
Tyrone goalie deserved a red.
This is a pretty good game so far.
But of lateral passing going on, but not sure how it could be described as horrible.
At the very least Morgan should have been black carded for that bit of petulance.
There's nothing biased when it is against Tyrone
Was hoping Tyrone would do a job here. Monaghan don't belong near Croke Park.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 20, 2018, 07:43:37 PM
This is a pretty good game so far.
But of lateral passing going on, but not sure how it could be described as horrible.
It wasn't horrible. Don't listen to the haters. 40 scores.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 20, 2018, 07:43:37 PM
This is a pretty good game so far.
But of lateral passing going on, but not sure how it could be described as horrible.
Who's winning?
Fair play to Monaghan, played well. Will look forward to meeting them again in July/August if we get through the back door!
Quote from: thewobbler on May 20, 2018, 07:43:37 PM
This is a pretty good game so far.
But of lateral passing going on, but not sure how it could be described as horrible.
Any lad describing that game horrible is just trying to play a Joe Brolly (seeking attention) Mayo v Galway was horrible last week.
Wylie lucky not to get two yellows. Then again morgan could have got the line too.
McManus played deeper and organized things. Monaghan have plenty on the bench, that's a really good sign.
I'm really enjoying this game so far. Some great scores.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 20, 2018, 07:52:37 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 20, 2018, 07:43:37 PM
This is a pretty good game so far.
But of lateral passing going on, but not sure how it could be described as horrible.
Who's winning?
Hardy Har har
That actually caught me out there, I thought that half the thread was deleted, till I realised yis are watching it deferred ::)
On August 5 last year Tyrone beat Armagh in the all Ireland quarter final on a score of 3-17 to 0-08. Dublin destroyed them in the semi final. They had a poor league. And now this. It is not ideal. The big question is whether the fall in form is temporary or whether a very long period of mediocity a la Meath or Down beckons.
Anyone thought that was a good game either wasn't there or hasn't a clue. I must have met a lot of Joe Brollys today as that was the feeling of people I spoke with... or maybe county Gaelic football is so poor people here think that was good.
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2018, 08:09:15 PM
On August 5 last year Tyrone beat Armagh in the all Ireland quarter final on a score of 3-17 to 0-08. Dublin destroyed them in the semi final. They had a poor league. And now this. It is not ideal. The big question is whether the fall in form is temporary or whether a very long period of mediocity a la Meath or Down or Galway beckons.
Fixed that for you! ;)
Real silly sending off for Peter Harte. Very good game enjoyed that. Well done to Monaghan on a hard earned win. Fair play to BBC for the full deferred coverage shame on RTE for not showing it live.
What a score from McManus on the right wing. He's a Special talent.
level after 65 mins. Really impressive finish from monaghan. They had much better subs and that got them over the line. Tyrone got a 45 for free from a blind umpire and got a goal from it but it turned out to be the last kick of the game
Watched it as live, very entertaining game and impressive stuff from Monaghan. Score flattered Tyrone tbh.
RTE knew where the entertainment was. Why show that before Munster hurling at a venue where the home county won't cooperate with you?
Quote from: longballin on May 20, 2018, 08:23:51 PM
RTE knew where the entertainment was. Why show that before Munster hurling at a venue where the home county won't cooperate with you?
Is it the county or Mickey Harte?
Fair play Monaghan, excellent performance and well deserved. Final score flattered Tyrone who were increasingly ragged after the Monaghan goal, once again the system broke down when under pressure, this time before we even get out of Ulster. Lucky to be level going into the closing stages and blown away by Monaghan in the last 10 minutes or so. Idiotic from Morgan again too, don't understand how that can be happening. Tyrone will do very well to reach the last eight now, and even if they do this system will once again fail against any decent enough opposition.
Quote from: straightred on May 20, 2018, 08:23:09 PM
level after 65 mins. Really impressive finish from monaghan. They had much better subs and that got them over the line. Tyrone got a 45 for free from a blind umpire and got a goal from it but it turned out to be the last kick of the game
Big difference was monaghan left their doubtful players like walshe and mccarthy off and brought them on at the crucial stage. Tyrone started with their strongest team and had to bring cavanagh, mccann and brennan off.
Quote from: longballin on May 20, 2018, 08:23:51 PM
RTE knew where the entertainment was. Why show that before Munster hurling at a venue where the home county won't cooperate with you?
Great game dunno what game you were at from the yaps of you. Shocking decision from RTE to bypass it.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 20, 2018, 08:23:18 PM
Watched it as live, very entertaining game and impressive stuff from Monaghan. Score flattered Tyrone tbh.
Agreed, very good game. High quality scores especially from mcaliskey, beggan and mcmanus.
Quote from: longballin on May 20, 2018, 08:12:33 PM
Anyone thought that was a good game either wasn't there or hasn't a clue. I must have met a lot of Joe Brollys today as that was the feeling of people I spoke with... or maybe county Gaelic football is so poor people here think that was good.
would you cop on - some of the shooting in the 2nd half was top drawer. IN particular the Mone and McManus scores near the end. A proper championship with 36 scores. Cluxton has a rival at last for top keeper. 5 frees and he played as an extra defender at times. Great way to punish a team for dropping back but you need someone who can do it and he can. Quality was miles ahead of last weeks game but maybe that wouldn't fit the anti ulster narrative.
Final point - looks like any tackle that is remotely high will be punished this year. A few of those frees today wouldn't have been given even a few years ago.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 20, 2018, 08:28:34 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 20, 2018, 08:23:51 PM
RTE knew where the entertainment was. Why show that before Munster hurling at a venue where the home county won't cooperate with you?
Great game dunno what game you were at from the yaps of you. Shocking decision from RTE to bypass it.
Glad you enjoyed it. Monaghan played some good football in second half but overall it didn't do it for me at all. First half was like a game of chess and kicking a ball 20 yards back to a keeper aint what I want to see.
Looked like a super game. Fair play to Monaghan, they were superb.
Malachy o'rourke is some manager
Quote from: lenny on May 20, 2018, 08:29:22 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 20, 2018, 08:23:18 PM
Watched it as live, very entertaining game and impressive stuff from Monaghan. Score flattered Tyrone tbh.
Agreed, very good game. High quality scores especially from mcaliskey, beggan and mcmanus.
I'd agree, very good game, ball was moved in fast when at all possible. Mone and McManus points were superb. Too many Tyrone big hitters were absent for huge portions of the game.
O'Rourke has put together a big squad of quality footballers.
Very enjoyable result.
Haven't read any comments. I'd bet my life it's been mentioned already. How that game was not shown live is beyond me. Just watched deferred coverage without knowing the score and I thought it was superb. Ulster football is the real deal.
Was at the game today - Monaghan deserved winners, very impressive especially when Tyrone did sneak level to blow them out of the water in the last 10-15 minutes, showed great patience and if I'm being honest the late goal flattered Tyrone.
Atmosphere wasn't brilliant though or was that just me? Just wasn't what I had expected at all.
Quote from: charlieTully on May 20, 2018, 08:38:17 PM
Haven't read any comments. I'd bet my life it's been mentioned already. How that game was not shown live is beyond me. Just watched deferred coverage without knowing the score and I thought it was superb. Ulster football is the real deal.
:D :D :D
Munster hurling is the real deal
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 20, 2018, 08:19:51 PM
Real silly sending off for Peter Harte. Very good game enjoyed that. Well done to Monaghan on a hard earned win. Fair play to BBC for the full deferred coverage shame on RTE for not showing it live.
Hopefully coldrick never has to referee a game involving Michael Murphy.
Still, a good day for all right-thinking Gaels.
After watching Deferred coverage a few things stand out -Some outrageous scores from Mone and Mc Manus ...How Harte didnt attempt to isolate Drew Wylie a la connaire harrison is unbelieveable ...having watched limerick hurling earlier the absence of fair Shoulders in Gaelic football as opposed to hurling is amazing.
Any way at least 1 Errigal man left Healy Park with an enhanced reputation.....he might be the ideal man to manage his county of residence......when the current incumbent finishes :)
Afair, it was the cleanest Monaghan Tyrone championship game, almost absent of the depressing ott cynicism, yet there was a multitude of cards. I was confident of a Monaghan victory since the league campaign, relaxed about the game all day, but it does take away a little bit from it that this is a Tyrone team absent of real talent, those 5 or so talented classy players who make the difference. I didn't notice Harte so much until his red card, there's a huge chasm where Sean C use to operate and they wilted uncharacteristically in the last 15 minutes where in the past you'd have big Sean leading the charge. Tyrone subs, made early and often, had no impact. Club wise, hats off to the Clontibret element.
Fermanagh next, Donegal lite, but probably will be a tougher opponent than today's.
Monaghan pretty much on a par with a tyrone man for man except they have
Beagin & McManus - Tyrone have nothing of that quality.
I make Monaghan a 3/4 point better team than a tyrone.
They could reach an All Ireland Final. I actually think the Super 8s could suit them as they will be very good at Clones & a neutral venue.
Also Monaghan were by far the better team and deserved to win - but Tyrone had a stone wall penalty turned down, when they had a two point lead just before half time. - could have left them 5 up at the interval.
Big moment in the game, but probably won't get a mention.
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 20, 2018, 08:58:46 PM
Also Monaghan were by far the better team and deserved to win - but Tyrone had a stone wall penalty turned down, when they had a two point lead just before half time. - could have left them 5 up at the interval.
Big moment in the game, but probably won't get a mention.
wasn't a single 'stonewall' penalty decision in the game. Thought Coldrick did very well
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 20, 2018, 08:58:46 PM
Also Monaghan were by far the better team and deserved to win - but Tyrone had a stone wall penalty turned down, when they had a two point lead just before half time. - could have left them 5 up at the interval.
Big moment in the game, but probably won't get a mention.
What stonewall penalty?
Best side won. All over the field.
Monaghan slightly the better team. Their kickouts were brilliant, beggan took his time and found his man every time. When Tyrone got a score beggan always found a Monaghan man meaning Tyrone could never keep the ball down the field. Colderick ignored the new rule brought in this year about all players outside the 20 for kickouts. At least 2 Monaghan men inside for the kickout in the lead up to the Monaghan goal. What is the point in new rules if they are not going to be enforced.
Monaghan could also had penalty when Tyrone player lifted ball off the ground in the small square.
Thought both teams about the same when in possession. Monaghan found it easier in winning possessionfrom kickouts which was the difference. Problem for Tyrone, was none of changes added much extra even though a lot of starting men looked a bit of the pace due to injury/lack of match sharpness
Quote from: Nanderson on May 20, 2018, 09:08:36 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 20, 2018, 08:58:46 PM
Also Monaghan were by far the better team and deserved to win - but Tyrone had a stone wall penalty turned down, when they had a two point lead just before half time. - could have left them 5 up at the interval.
Big moment in the game, but probably won't get a mention.
wasn't a single 'stonewall' penalty decision in the game. Thought Coldrick did very well
Although applying yellow cards willy nilly to the letter of the law re any slight contact above the chest, it was obvious that Coldick had total control of the proceedings. I thought he had a positive effect on calming any tempers and the players had no real issue with his decisions, some were even apologetic for their transgressions.
Quote from: ONeill on May 20, 2018, 09:14:43 PM
Best side won. All over the field.
Clearly, and it sweetened the bitter taste of Saturday evening, lol.
Quote from: Main Street on May 20, 2018, 08:54:22 PM
Afair, it was the cleanest Monaghan Tyrone championship game, almost absent of the depressing ott cynicism, yet there was a multitude of cards. I was confident of a Monaghan victory since the league campaign, relaxed about the game all day, but it does take away a little bit from it that this is a Tyrone team absent of real talent, those 5 or so talented classy players who make the difference. I didn't notice Harte so much until his red card, there's a huge chasm where Sean C use to operate and they wilted uncharacteristically in the last 15 minutes where in the past you'd have big Sean leading the charge. Tyrone subs, made early and often, had no impact. Club wise, hats off to the Clontibret element.
Fermanagh next, Donegal lite, but probably will be a tougher opponent than today's.
Take it that Fermanagh comment is a win up cause if you saw the match yesterday those two teams were a couple of levels below.
Enjoyed that. Tyrone seem to be missing something, Mickey has the Arsene about him.
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 20, 2018, 08:58:46 PM
Also Monaghan were by far the better team and deserved to win - but Tyrone had a stone wall penalty turned down, when they had a two point lead just before half time. - could have left them 5 up at the interval.
Big moment in the game, but probably won't get a mention.
Monaghan were 2 points up before ht.
Super game of ball. Very impressed with Monaghan after Tyrone equalised. 5 points in short time fair play good side. Both teams should make last 8.
Rory Beggan vs. Bryan Sheehan.
Who kicks it further?
Quote from: Jinxy on May 20, 2018, 09:48:54 PM
Rory Beggan vs. Bryan Sheehan.
Who kicks it further?
I'd say beggan. Sheehan always seems to put a lot of force into his kicks whereas beggan just walks up and strokes it over which is perhaps a better technique. I don't think we have even seen the limit of Beggan's kick yet.
Rory kicks it further effortlessly, what he has gained this year is greater accuracy.
Yeah, Sheehan seems to 'loft' his kicks more.
Beggan just drives the ball.
No complaints whatsoever. Monaghan have the star quality in McManus and Beggan. I have to say Beggan especially was immense. Probably up there with Cluxton now as best keeper in Ireland. He was so assured in defence and basically meant Monaghan could push higher up the pitch as he swept up so well. His distribution is first class, too.
However, there's not much else you can say about his freetaking than "wow!" Marty Clarke hit the nail on the head when talking about giving away a 45 being, more or less, a gimme. He hit one from about 50 yards out with the outside of his boot that moved right to left over the black spot. I don't think I've seen a free kick hit with that direction of spin! Usually all free takers kick off the instep curling left to right.
Monaghan will walk Ulster from my point of view. Don't think Donegal will be fit for them.
From our point of view im kind of at a loss. Rewatched the match there and there wasn't a pile we did wrong. Very little wides, good accuracy from frees and defended pretty well too. We just met a stronger team on the day. I think a wee run in backdoor could get us up to speed for super 8s. Maybe Harte's master plan is to go through the back door to get into the Munster/Connaght side of the draw to avoid the dubs until Semi/final! ;)
Anyone who says that wasn't a top top game after watching the scores compilation just doesn't like Gaelic football.
We were poor on the day but credit to Monaghan who deserved. Who knows we may meet again before the year is out. Could work out well for us in the long run
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 20, 2018, 09:59:32 PM
Anyone who says that wasn't a top top game after watching the scores compilation just doesn't like Gaelic football.
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I'd agree with a fair bit of the Sunday game panel tonight. Monaghan were the superior side today and fully deserved their win although Tyrone didn't put that ball into the forward line at the right time. Mc Ali'skey was immense for Tyrone but between a few injured lads who shouldn't have started and a structure that is flawed I think Tyrone have more room for improvement and will likely improve as they go further.
Super game. After the goal we always seemed to just keep Tyrone at bay and yet couldn't shake them off at the same time. The reaction when they did draw level around 65 minutes was very encoruaging - we seemed to up it a gear and hit the next 5 points, and the consolation goal was irrelevant when it did come at the death.
Some very good performances across the team - as mentioned Beggan and McManus will make the headlines - but at the same time you'd feel there's alot more to come from others. The competitive nature of the squad now should mean that nobody will be getting too comfortable in their position.
Beggan has always had the distance - remember the free he scored in a league game against Dublin a few years ago that was almost at the 65 - but he's definitely improved on his accuracy and consistency. A great weapon to have.
First time that a player seemed to rebuke MH publically heat of the moment stuff.Ronan didnt see any ball in fairness will we see him again?
Quote from: skeog on May 20, 2018, 10:05:41 PM
First time that a player seemed to rebuke MH publically heat of the moment stuff.Ronan didnt see any ball in fairness will we seehim again?
Hopefully not. A passenger at club level never mind this level. Massive mistake to start coly and tiernan who clearly weren't fit, added to Brennan's hamstring injury and sparky going off early on it was just to much. We actually did well to stay with them
Fair play Monaghan. The better team, good plan, good players. They've two weaknesses. Drew Wylie is done. Harrison and now Mc aliskey have taken him to the cleaners. What's the story with D Hughes? Wasn't his hugely effective self, looked like colly cav - not match fit or sharp. K Hughes was immense, gave Hampsey a tight game. You need to do something about drew if you're to go down and beat mayo, Dublin and Kerry which I hope you do. Congratulations on a real good spirited game too with the only exception being the sledging of Peter Harte by Monaghan players and Morgan's dangerous lunge. Minor enough infringements in the grand scheme of Ulster championship football.
Really impressed by the lack of play acting by either side. Plenty of flashpoints but most men hopped up to their feet after hits that would have left Galway men rolling up the pitch.
Mixed bag for Tyrone. Obviously we're playing a more expansive game plan and there was some great ball fed into Brennan who won them all but was reluctant, after his block to face his man and take him on. Mc Aliskey had his best Tyrone performance in 3 years. Mc namee in great form, actually had Mc manus in his pocket for for 70 mins till he cut loose in the last 5. He'll not face too many forwards of that calibre going forward in the championship. Hampsey is able for the cut and thrust of championship and it was good to see Hugh pat back in the mix. Nullified Mc carrons big influence on the game in the last 20 mins. Sparky had seen a world of ball until his injury, he was very unlucky. Full back and full forward lines were untypically adept today.
Middle third was a shit show with the exception of Mc cann and Donnelly who intercepted their fair share. Monaghan squeezed the middle 3rd with their typical physical presence. Colly, sludden, Mc Shane had limited effect on proceedings. Pete was a no show, should have been first to be called ashore. Conal and Ron were a disgrace, would have faired better with 14 men, Mc Clure again huffed and puffed to no great effectiveness. Morgan was the worst, religiously costs us 1-2 points a game with ineffective kick outs or septic attempts at free taking, a liability long before today and it's high time o Neill got a solid run in nets, he couldn't be any worse.
Ulster champs are in a super 8 group with Dublin so might be no loss this year to relinquish an Ulster title. A few handy draws against the minnows may bring colly and Mc cann back into match sharpness and allow Brennan and Mc aliskey build confidence by running up scores against teams who believe they belong in a b championship. With Dublin, galway, Monaghan and Kerry to come through the front door there's no sharks in the qualifiers.
Bring it on.
Quote from: trileacman on May 20, 2018, 10:12:08 PM
Fair play Monaghan. The better team, good plan, good players. They've two weaknesses. Drew Wylie is done. Harrison and now Mc aliskey have taken him to the cleaners. What's the story with D Hughes? Wasn't his hugely effective self, looked like colly cav - not match fit or sharp. K Hughes was immense, gave Hampsey a tight game. You need to do something about drew if you're to go down and beat mayo, Dublin and Kerry which I hope you do
Re: your first point, Drew won't be full back once Conor Boyle comes back in, he'll be at CHB where he's looked better this year
Who do you drop then?
Can we get London
Quote from: rrhf on May 20, 2018, 10:43:54 PM
Can we get London
I thought there was no London in Tyrone
Quote from: trileacman on May 20, 2018, 10:12:08 PM
Fair play Monaghan. The better team, good plan, good players. They've two weaknesses. Drew Wylie is done. Harrison and now Mc aliskey have taken him to the cleaners. What's the story with D Hughes? Wasn't his hugely effective self, looked like colly cav - not match fit or sharp. K Hughes was immense, gave Hampsey a tight game. You need to do something about drew if you're to go down and beat mayo, Dublin and Kerry which I hope you do. Congratulations on a real good spirited game too with the only exception being the sledging of Peter Harte by Monaghan players and Morgan's dangerous lunge. Minor enough infringements in the grand scheme of Ulster championship football.
Really impressed by the lack of play acting by either side. Plenty of flashpoints but most men hopped up to their feet after hits that would have left Galway men rolling up the pitch.
Mixed bag for Tyrone. Obviously we're playing a more expansive game plan and there was some great ball fed into Brennan who won them all but was reluctant, after his block to face his man and take him on. Mc Aliskey had his best Tyrone performance in 3 years. Mc namee in great form, actually had Mc manus in his pocket for for 70 mins till he cut loose in the last 5. He'll not face too many forwards of that calibre going forward in the championship. Hampsey is able for the cut and thrust of championship and it was good to see Hugh pat back in the mix. Nullified Mc carrons big influence on the game in the last 20 mins. Sparky had seen a world of ball until his injury, he was very unlucky. Full back and full forward lines were untypically adept today.
Middle third was a shit show with the exception of Mc cann and Donnelly who intercepted their fair share. Monaghan squeezed the middle 3rd with their typical physical presence. Colly, sludden, Mc Shane had limited effect on proceedings. Pete was a no show, should have been first to be called ashore. Conal and Ron were a disgrace, would have faired better with 14 men, Mc Clure again huffed and puffed to no great effectiveness. Morgan was the worst, religiously costs us 1-2 points a game with ineffective kick outs or septic attempts at free taking, a liability long before today and it's high time o Neill got a solid run in nets, he couldn't be any worse.
Ulster champs are in a super 8 group with Dublin so might be no loss this year to relinquish an Ulster title. A few handy draws against the minnows may bring colly and Mc cann back into match sharpness and allow Brennan and Mc aliskey build confidence by running up scores against teams who believe they belong in a b championship. With Dublin, galway, Monaghan and Kerry to come through the front door there's no sharks in the qualifiers.
Bring it on.
Or certain Tyrone players the last twenty years... This should not be impressive it should be the minimum and it should not need to be said!!
Good to see Tyrone out if they get the wrong draw in the qualifiers it will be interesting to see what happens within the County!
Quote from: trileacman on May 20, 2018, 10:12:08 PM
Ulster champs are in a super 8 group with Dublin so might be no loss this year to relinquish an Ulster title. A few handy draws against the minnows may bring colly and Mc cann back into match sharpness and allow Brennan and Mc aliskey build confidence by running up scores against teams who believe they belong in a b championship. With Dublin, galway, Monaghan and Kerry to come through the front door there’s no sharks in the qualifiers.
Bring it on.
Is it not better to be in Dublins group as that would mean you would avoid them in AI semi final if Tyrone get that far?
Good round 1 wins for both but no guarantee that Monaghan or Galway are coming through the front door yet. Mayo would be a shark in the qualifiers for Tyrone given their less than great championship record v them.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 21, 2018, 12:04:20 AM
Good round 1 wins for both but no guarantee that Monaghan or Galway are coming through the front door yet. Mayo would be a shark in the qualifiers for Tyrone given their less than great championship record v them.
The Qualifiers, as Mayo themselves have previously pointed out to us, is
not the Championship, and as it stands right now we have a positive 100% record against Mayo in the Qualifiers, having beaten them in 2008. ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 21, 2018, 12:13:49 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 21, 2018, 12:04:20 AM
Good round 1 wins for both but no guarantee that Monaghan or Galway are coming through the front door yet. Mayo would be a shark in the qualifiers for Tyrone given their less than great championship record v them.
The Qualifiers, as Mayo themselves have previously pointed out to us, is not the Championship, and as it stands right now we have a postive 100% record against Mayo in the Qualifiers, having beaten them in 2008. ;)
Tyronies are now reduced to crawling around the floor of their cave looking for crumbs ;D
Can't say i didn't tell you the bell was tolling for Tyrone this year and Monaghan would not just prevail but prevail with ease.
Quote from: Main Street on May 21, 2018, 12:38:19 AM
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Tyronies are now reduced to crawling around the floor of their cave looking for crumbs ;D
Can't say i didn't tell you the bell was tolling for Tyrone this year and Monaghan would not just prevail but prevail with ease.
Only a Clontibret neolith could get so exercised about a first round Ulster victory, regardless of against whom, to the degree of delusion that has him thinking it's epoch making. :P
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 21, 2018, 12:13:49 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 21, 2018, 12:04:20 AM
Good round 1 wins for both but no guarantee that Monaghan or Galway are coming through the front door yet. Mayo would be a shark in the qualifiers for Tyrone given their less than great championship record v them.
The Qualifiers, as Mayo themselves have previously pointed out to us, is not the Championship, and as it stands right now we have a positive 100% record against Mayo in the Qualifiers, having beaten them in 2008. ;)
Tyrone would be as much a shark for Mayo
Jaysus but where would a man start analysing the game.
MH has to take a lot of responsibility for this loss. I am still a great fan of his but we have to call a spade a spade.
Collie obviously wasnt fit but still started and Brennan seemed to run out of steam. Surely if both boys could only play a certain amount of time they would be better coming off the bench?
His treatment of RON is an absolute disgrace. Used him as a scapegoat.
It is good to see we now have a full forward line rather than 1 player up front but we now have nothing on the 40.
Didnt see the Morgan kick while at the game and genuinely thought Mc Carron was playacting but after watching it at home it was a clear red. What did the umpires see to warrant a yellow?
A few Monaghan mucksavages in the stands would do well to wash their mouths out this morning.
Well done Monaghan, a credit to the GAA and sport in general. Limited pool of players, 25 living and working in Dublin. Fantastic bunch. Generally not a peep out of them giving out like so many other counties, keep to themselves and get the job done.
Congrats Monaghan, better team won and showed a lot more hunger and attacking ideas. Well organised at the back and bossed us around midfield. Most of our big "name" players like Matty and Pete were largely anonymous again but there seemed to be a lot of stuff going on towards Peter that was going unpunished.
The Ref did us no favours I felt as he seemed to punish us with cards for tackles that he was letting much worse go for them but alas that's football sometimes and as Harte says we learn more from losing, hopefully anyway.
Monaghan will go well this year and its a huge scalp for them despite what O'Rourke said on his BBC interview.
Last Aug Tyrone were ONE of the fancied teams and so to beat them in their own back yard is not to be sneezed at.
They've a poor record against us and with Beggan and Mansy flawless from frees unlike Morgan who continues to rise the other team with his antics.
I think the thing that annoyed me the most was how we were the home team but we allowed Monaghan to bully us all over the park and not show some balls. Too many nicey players who are terrified of getting a yellow card in case they get hauled off and lose their place then to someone else.
The lack of forwards on our sub bench says it all for me
Congrats again to Monaghan. I hope ye shock a few other people this year and finally get a win against a top team in Croker and not just a meaningless B team.
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 08:24:42 AM
Jaysus but where would a man start analysing the game.
MH has to take a lot of responsibility for this loss. I am still a great fan of his but we have to call a spade a spade.
Collie obviously wasnt fit but still started and Brennan seemed to run out of steam. Surely if both boys could only play a certain amount of time they would be better coming off the bench?
His treatment of RON is an absolute disgrace. Used him as a scapegoat.
It is good to see we now have a full forward line rather than 1 player up front but we now have nothing on the 40.
Didnt see the Morgan kick while at the game and genuinely thought Mc Carron was playacting but after watching it at home it was a clear red. What did the umpires see to warrant a yellow?
A few Monaghan mucksavages in the stands would do well to wash their mouths out this morning.
It is certainly harsh to get hooked again after being brought on as a sub (not the first time Harte has dine this to RON)
but in fairness, he did himself no favours either. He came on in the 18th minute and taken off in the 62nd, and offered nothing in that period, I can only think of him on the ball once or twice.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 21, 2018, 09:01:32 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 08:24:42 AM
Jaysus but where would a man start analysing the game.
MH has to take a lot of responsibility for this loss. I am still a great fan of his but we have to call a spade a spade.
Collie obviously wasnt fit but still started and Brennan seemed to run out of steam. Surely if both boys could only play a certain amount of time they would be better coming off the bench?
His treatment of RON is an absolute disgrace. Used him as a scapegoat.
It is good to see we now have a full forward line rather than 1 player up front but we now have nothing on the 40.
Didnt see the Morgan kick while at the game and genuinely thought Mc Carron was playacting but after watching it at home it was a clear red. What did the umpires see to warrant a yellow?
A few Monaghan mucksavages in the stands would do well to wash their mouths out this morning.
It is certainly harsh to get hooked again after being brought on as a sub (not the first time Harte has dine this to RON)
but in fairness, he did himself no favours either. He came on in the 18th minute and taken off in the 62nd, and offered nothing in that period, I can only think of him on the ball once or twice.
He was by no means the worst.
We had further problems out the field and during this period Monaghan were taking control.
How many balls were put into the front men during this period?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 21, 2018, 08:52:13 AM
Congrats Monaghan, better team won and showed a lot more hunger and attacking ideas. Well organised at the back and bossed us around midfield. Most of our big "name" players like Matty and Pete were largely anonymous again but there seemed to be a lot of stuff going on towards Peter that was going unpunished.
The Ref did us no favours I felt as he seemed to punish us with cards for tackles that he was letting much worse go for them but alas that's football sometimes and as Harte says we learn more from losing, hopefully anyway.
Monaghan will go well this year and its a huge scalp for them despite what O'Rourke said on his BBC interview.
Last Aug Tyrone were ONE of the fancied teams and so to beat them in their own back yard is not to be sneezed at.
They've a poor record against us and with Beggan and Mansy flawless from frees unlike Morgan who continues to rise the other team with his antics.
I think the thing that annoyed me the most was how we were the home team but we allowed Monaghan to bully us all over the park and not show some balls. Too many nicey players who are terrified of getting a yellow card in case they get hauled off and lose their place then to someone else.
The lack of forwards on our sub bench says it all for me
Congrats again to Monaghan. I hope ye shock a few other people this year and finally get a win in Croker.
Since beating Down there last July or since beating Dublin in the league in March :-\
I have some sympathy for RON here, but we needed players to take the game by the scruff of the neck and demand the ball in that period. Mcalsikey did damage with what little ball went in.
Peter Harte probably should have been taken off by that stage as he offered us nothing either.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 21, 2018, 08:52:13 AM
Congrats Monaghan, better team won and showed a lot more hunger and attacking ideas. Well organised at the back and bossed us around midfield. Most of our big "name" players like Matty and Pete were largely anonymous again but there seemed to be a lot of stuff going on towards Peter that was going unpunished.
The Ref did us no favours I felt as he seemed to punish us with cards for tackles that he was letting much worse go for them but alas that's football sometimes and as Harte says we learn more from losing, hopefully anyway.
Monaghan will go well this year and its a huge scalp for them despite what O'Rourke said on his BBC interview.
Last Aug Tyrone were ONE of the fancied teams and so to beat them in their own back yard is not to be sneezed at.
They've a poor record against us and with Beggan and Mansy flawless from frees unlike Morgan who continues to rise the other team with his antics.
I think the thing that annoyed me the most was how we were the home team but we allowed Monaghan to bully us all over the park and not show some balls. Too many nicey players who are terrified of getting a yellow card in case they get hauled off and lose their place then to someone else.
The lack of forwards on our sub bench says it all for me
Congrats again to Monaghan. I hope ye shock a few other people this year and finally get a win against a top team in Croker and not just a meaningless B team.
Nice post full of back handed compliments there.
It was an important win yes, but not the huge scalp that you're making it out to be. Monaghan people were pretty confident of getting a result here and yesterday we seen why.
Have to say this was a most enjoyable game to watch. Think the Corey goal was a crucial score just before the break. Really more than 3 pts that one. Both teams played some good football but Monaghan did look a bit more honed and they have clearly put in a serious amount of work and thought to their game since last year even. As an attacking force, they could be very hard to contain now IF they can perform in Croker.
Tyrone should do well in the back door and will be there or thereabouts yet. Clearly things not totally right in the camp and as others say, couldn't believe when I saw a player remonstrate with Mickey Harte!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 21, 2018, 12:54:45 AM
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Tyronies are now reduced to crawling around the floor of their cave looking for crumbs ;D
Can't say i didn't tell you the bell was tolling for Tyrone this year and Monaghan would not just prevail but prevail with ease.
Only a Clontibret neolith could get so exercised about a first round Ulster victory, regardless of against whom, to the degree of delusion that has him thinking it's epoch making. :P
It's a literary device with a long pedigree in Ulster.
A bhonnán bhuí, is é mo léan do luí,
Is do chnámha sínte tar éis do ghrinn,
Is chan easba bidh ach díobháil dí
a d'fhág i do luí thú ar chúl do chinn.
Is measa liom féin ná scrios na Traoi
Tú bheith i do luí ar leaca lom',
Is nach ndearna tú díth ná dolaidh sa tír,
Is nárbh fhearra leat fíon ná uisce poll.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 21, 2018, 08:52:13 AM
Congrats Monaghan, better team won and showed a lot more hunger and attacking ideas. Well organised at the back and bossed us around midfield. Most of our big "name" players like Matty and Pete were largely anonymous again but there seemed to be a lot of stuff going on towards Peter that was going unpunished.
The Ref did us no favours I felt as he seemed to punish us with cards for tackles that he was letting much worse go for them but alas that's football sometimes and as Harte says we learn more from losing, hopefully anyway.
Monaghan will go well this year and its a huge scalp for them despite what O'Rourke said on his BBC interview.
Last Aug Tyrone were ONE of the fancied teams and so to beat them in their own back yard is not to be sneezed at.
They've a poor record against us and with Beggan and Mansy flawless from frees unlike Morgan who continues to rise the other team with his antics.
I think the thing that annoyed me the most was how we were the home team but we allowed Monaghan to bully us all over the park and not show some balls. Too many nicey players who are terrified of getting a yellow card in case they get hauled off and lose their place then to someone else.
The lack of forwards on our sub bench says it all for me
Congrats again to Monaghan. I hope ye shock a few other people this year and finally get a win against a top team in Croker and not just a meaningless B team.
what just happened :)
Firstly yesterday wasn't a shock to me anyway. I took them at 2/1 and I think they even started at 21/10. Bet of the week. They're a much more balanced side now than they were a few years ago with good championship caliber subs for most positions. 10 different scorers in those conditions with defenders getting in on the act.
I half agree with you on the croker thing but their record isn't half as bad as its made out to be. They have won important r4 qualifier games there in the last few years as well as beating the Dublin Bs. The draws haven't been kind in the 1/4s. Always Kerry/Dublin/Tyrone. That's the way it goes and you take what you get - the super 8s changes that this year. They've put themselves in a great position to do some damage.
Quote from: trileacman on May 20, 2018, 10:12:08 PM
Fair play Monaghan. The better team, good plan, good players. They've two weaknesses. Drew Wylie is done. Harrison and now Mc aliskey have taken him to the cleaners. What's the story with D Hughes? Wasn't his hugely effective self, looked like colly cav - not match fit or sharp. K Hughes was immense, gave Hampsey a tight game. You need to do something about drew if you're to go down and beat mayo, Dublin and Kerry which I hope you do. Congratulations on a real good spirited game too with the only exception being the sledging of Peter Harte by Monaghan players and Morgan's dangerous lunge. Minor enough infringements in the grand scheme of Ulster championship football.
Really impressed by the lack of play acting by either side. Plenty of flashpoints but most men hopped up to their feet after hits that would have left Galway men rolling up the pitch.
Mixed bag for Tyrone. Obviously we're playing a more expansive game plan and there was some great ball fed into Brennan who won them all but was reluctant, after his block to face his man and take him on. Mc Aliskey had his best Tyrone performance in 3 years. Mc namee in great form, actually had Mc manus in his pocket for for 70 mins till he cut loose in the last 5. He'll not face too many forwards of that calibre going forward in the championship. Hampsey is able for the cut and thrust of championship and it was good to see Hugh pat back in the mix. Nullified Mc carrons big influence on the game in the last 20 mins. Sparky had seen a world of ball until his injury, he was very unlucky. Full back and full forward lines were untypically adept today.
Middle third was a shit show with the exception of Mc cann and Donnelly who intercepted their fair share. Monaghan squeezed the middle 3rd with their typical physical presence. Colly, sludden, Mc Shane had limited effect on proceedings. Pete was a no show, should have been first to be called ashore. Conal and Ron were a disgrace, would have faired better with 14 men, Mc Clure again huffed and puffed to no great effectiveness. Morgan was the worst, religiously costs us 1-2 points a game with ineffective kick outs or septic attempts at free taking, a liability long before today and it's high time o Neill got a solid run in nets, he couldn't be any worse.
Ulster champs are in a super 8 group with Dublin so might be no loss this year to relinquish an Ulster title. A few handy draws against the minnows may bring colly and Mc cann back into match sharpness and allow Brennan and Mc aliskey build confidence by running up scores against teams who believe they belong in a b championship. With Dublin, galway, Monaghan and Kerry to come through the front door there's no sharks in the qualifiers.
Bring it on.
For what it's worth I actually thought McCann was pretty poor. Thought Burns had a great game though, turned over a lot of ball and was probably your second best on the day after McAliskey. Hugh Pat and McKernan did rightly after coming off the bench and shouldn't be too far off starting also.
What age are the 2 Hughes brothers?
Thought McAnespie was very good, did the job Dessie Ward failed to do.
Watched the game at 7 and didn't know the result, said to the wife McManus was very quiet after about 60 mins, wasn't sure he was still on the pitch but what a 10 minute spell from him which showed us why he's the best footballer in the country.
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 08:24:42 AM
Jaysus but where would a man start analysing the game.
MH has to take a lot of responsibility for this loss. I am still a great fan of his but we have to call a spade a spade.
Collie obviously wasnt fit but still started and Brennan seemed to run out of steam. Surely if both boys could only play a certain amount of time they would be better coming off the bench?
His treatment of RON is an absolute disgrace. Used him as a scapegoat.
It is good to see we now have a full forward line rather than 1 player up front but we now have nothing on the 40.
Didnt see the Morgan kick while at the game and genuinely thought Mc Carron was playacting but after watching it at home it was a clear red. What did the umpires see to warrant a yellow?
A few Monaghan mucksavages in the stands would do well to wash their mouths out this morning.
I think this shows alot when you consider a limited club manager would do something like this - When alls going wrong for your team out the field take the corner forward off! ::)
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 21, 2018, 10:29:20 AM
What age are the 2 Hughes brothers?
Darren would be 31 sometime this year and Kieran would be around 27/28
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Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 08:24:42 AM
Jaysus but where would a man start analysing the game.
MH has to take a lot of responsibility for this loss. I am still a great fan of his but we have to call a spade a spade.
Collie obviously wasnt fit but still started and Brennan seemed to run out of steam. Surely if both boys could only play a certain amount of time they would be better coming off the bench?
His treatment of RON is an absolute disgrace. Used him as a scapegoat.
It is good to see we now have a full forward line rather than 1 player up front but we now have nothing on the 40.
Didnt see the Morgan kick while at the game and genuinely thought Mc Carron was playacting but after watching it at home it was a clear red. What did the umpires see to warrant a yellow?
A few Monaghan mucksavages in the stands would do well to wash their mouths out this morning.
I think this shows alot when you consider a limited club manager would do something like this - When alls going wrong for your team out the field take the corner forward off! ::)
Point I made in Tyrone section which some dont like as it questions MH.
I understand ONeill wasnt playing well but surely at this level we need to address where the actual problems were stemming from.
WTF we were hoping to achieve by taking off the corner forward I dont know. We were getting over ran in the middle.
Monaghan running at angles and pulling us all over the place.
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Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 21, 2018, 10:29:20 AM
What age are the 2 Hughes brothers?
Darren would be 31 sometime this year and Kieran would be around 27/28
Cheers, for some reason thought they were younger.
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Good round 1 wins for both but no guarantee that Monaghan or Galway are coming through the front door yet. Mayo would be a shark in the qualifiers for Tyrone given their less than great championship record v them.
The Qualifiers, as Mayo themselves have previously pointed out to us, is not the Championship, and as it stands right now we have a positive 100% record against Mayo in the Qualifiers, having beaten them in 2008. ;)
Tyrone would be as much a shark for Mayo
There is a film of what it would be like starring Russell Crowe as Mayo with Joaquin Phoenix in the red and white of Tyrone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYNWgLJNW9g
Very enjoyable game, especially considering the conditions and thought Monaghan thoroughly deserved the win. Pulled away when it mattered.
Don't think anyone can give out about Harte's "treatment" of RON. He was brought on to make an impact and at a time they were chasing the game he couldn't get on the ball at all.
Anyone notice the Tyrone strategy on the throw in? In the first half Collie Cavanagh didn't bother competing for the ball and was fully focused on pushing and shoving his man, not even looking at the ball. His man ended up winning the break.
Quote from: gallsman on May 21, 2018, 11:11:20 AM
Very enjoyable game, especially considering the conditions and thought Monaghan thoroughly deserved the win. Pulled away when it mattered.
Don't think anyone can give out about Harte's "treatment" of RON. He was brought on to make an impact and at a time they were chasing the game he couldn't get on the ball at all.
Anyone notice the Tyrone strategy on the throw in? In the first half Collie Cavanagh didn't bother competing for the ball and was fully focused on pushing and shoving his man, not even looking at the ball. His man ended up winning the break.
Noticed this too - I think it sums up Tyrone - they seem to be trained to a point where they don't think off the cuff anymore.
Also sorry if already asked but who made the decision for Morgan to come up and hit that free - thought that day was over and looked like Brennan wanted it. Surely the management has to make that call and if they did it was another mistake.
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Quote from: gallsman on May 21, 2018, 11:11:20 AM
Very enjoyable game, especially considering the conditions and thought Monaghan thoroughly deserved the win. Pulled away when it mattered.
Don't think anyone can give out about Harte's "treatment" of RON. He was brought on to make an impact and at a time they were chasing the game he couldn't get on the ball at all.
Anyone notice the Tyrone strategy on the throw in? In the first half Collie Cavanagh didn't bother competing for the ball and was fully focused on pushing and shoving his man, not even looking at the ball. His man ended up winning the break.
Noticed this too - I think it sums up Tyrone - they seem to be trained to a point where they don't think off the cuff anymore.
Also sorry if already asked but who made the decision for Morgan to come up and hit that free - thought that day was over and looked like Brennan wanted it. Surely the management has to make that call and if they did it was another mistake.
i wish we would just make the call that anything outside 45 isnt really scoreable and try and work those ones short. Anything inside that McAlisky and Brennan should be able to handle
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 21, 2018, 11:18:33 AM
Quote from: WT4E on May 21, 2018, 11:15:20 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 21, 2018, 11:11:20 AM
Very enjoyable game, especially considering the conditions and thought Monaghan thoroughly deserved the win. Pulled away when it mattered.
Don't think anyone can give out about Harte's "treatment" of RON. He was brought on to make an impact and at a time they were chasing the game he couldn't get on the ball at all.
Anyone notice the Tyrone strategy on the throw in? In the first half Collie Cavanagh didn't bother competing for the ball and was fully focused on pushing and shoving his man, not even looking at the ball. His man ended up winning the break.
Noticed this too - I think it sums up Tyrone - they seem to be trained to a point where they don't think off the cuff anymore.
Also sorry if already asked but who made the decision for Morgan to come up and hit that free - thought that day was over and looked like Brennan wanted it. Surely the management has to make that call and if they did it was another mistake.
i wish we would just make the call that anything outside 45 isnt really scoreable and try and work those ones short. Anything inside that McAlisky and Brennan should be able to handle
The instance of Brennan vs Morgan to take the free, both seemed to want to take the free but shrugged their shoulders as if not to fall out with other. Morgan can hit them but if he misses it nearly always encourages the opposition.
Totally agree Morgan has to stop taking them. End of. It is giving the other team FAR too much of a boost when he misses and it has to be eating away at his own confidence
I thought his kickouts were quite good most of the time and made a good save once but he just seems to give the other tea and fans a boost too often
Anyway on another note
Is it amazing that the Irish Times put up a photo that shows a clear penalty yet nobody mentions it in the article?
(https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.3502312.1526846552!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg)
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/experience-carries-the-day-as-monaghan-outlast-tyrone-1.3502314
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 21, 2018, 12:54:45 AM
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Tyronies are now reduced to crawling around the floor of their cave looking for crumbs ;D
Can't say i didn't tell you the bell was tolling for Tyrone this year and Monaghan would not just prevail but prevail with ease.
Only a Clontibret neolith could get so exercised about a first round Ulster victory, regardless of against whom, to the degree of delusion that has him thinking it's epoch making. :P
Clontibret?? what drugs are you not taking? or is that the sound of a Tyrone empty vessel? ;D
I'm neither exercised, delusional or from Clontibret and I do realise that beating Tyrone these days has a low currency value.
But hey, sometimes it's okay on occasion to enjoy a cheap beer, a cheap woman and even beating a cheap Tyrone.
(http://f1.thejournal.ie/media/2013/07/dick-clerkin-celebrates-at-the-final-whistle-2962013-2-630x391.jpg)
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 21, 2018, 10:29:20 AM
What age are the 2 Hughes brothers?
Thought McAnespie was very good, did the job Dessie Ward failed to do.
Watched the game at 7 and didn't know the result, said to the wife McManus was very quiet after about 60 mins, wasn't sure he was still on the pitch but what a 10 minute spell from him which showed us why he's the best footballer in the country.
What did she say to you at the end of the game.
It was a decent game to watch but not as good as some have made out.
I'll wait until I see the stats but reckon there won't be as much in the difference between the amount of hand passes on show yesterday as there was last week in Castlebar. I thought both teams gave away so many daft frees and Monaghan scored 1-9 from play just as Galway did last week.
Monaghan were in total charge of the game for long periods, after the first 10 minutes where Tyrone went 0-5 to 0-2 up Monaghan controlled the game although O'Rourke will be disappointed how easy Tyrone found their scores early on.
Does anyone know does Morgan have high success stats at training?
Is he over confident? I hear he's a nice lad off the pitch.
What do ye all make of Beggan going to Omagh on Wed last wit the minors to practice?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 21, 2018, 01:33:26 PM
Does anyone know does Morgan have high success stats at training?
Is he over confident? I hear he's a nice lad off the pitch.
What do ye all make of Beggan going to Omagh on Wed last wit the minors to practice?
He shouldnt have been allowed near the pitch if thats the case.
Could you imagine getting similar in Killarney or Castlebar?
Quote from: ONeill on April 04, 2018, 06:29:21 PM
Big name heading towards the backdoor in May.
Hope Monaghan come through that though.
Quote from: Taylor on April 08, 2018, 07:58:25 PM
In all honesty monaghan are an average enough outfit but are dogged as hell which keeps them in many a game.
If, and it's a big If, they don't resort to the dirt, off the ball shenanigans and sly hits we should win by 3+.
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 08, 2018, 10:43:03 PM
I could never fathom Monaghan as a serious threat to Tyrone... almost ever, aye course they're gonna win a few games occasionally especially in the league... but championship is a different story and if Tyrone play to a decent level they'll win end of story.
They cant even revert to the dirt when they're stuck anymore as Porter and O'Rourke are actually from the heartland.
Quote from: Dire Ear on May 10, 2018, 03:52:32 PM
Monaghan are finished------Tyrone 1-16 Monaghan 0-10
Quote from: Taylor on May 16, 2018, 08:31:18 AM
Monaghan will bring plenty of dirt and off the ball antics on Sunday. The best way to counter this is to play an open brand of football and stretch them all over the field.
Either way I expect a win by at least 3 points
Hmmm......
Great stuff by Monaghan. Whatever about meeting Tyrone later in the championship, there wasn't going to be anything between the two yesterday and I took Monaghan at 2/1. To be 5 up with a few seconds left, Harte losing the head and fans leaving early was a rare sight. It made the long wait in traffic afterwards much easier.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 21, 2018, 01:33:26 PM
Does anyone know does Morgan have high success stats at training?
Is he over confident? I hear he's a nice lad off the pitch.
What do ye all make of Beggan going to Omagh on Wed last wit the minors to practice?
Sure he's part of the minor management team :D
What did Harte do on the sideline lads that he was losing the head?
Noice to see the Farney Army enjoying themselves yesterday in the rain and today in the lime light.
Like ourselves they're gracious in victory which shows how little beating us means to them.
A big plus for me was the performance of Skeet. He was miles ahead of anyone else yesterday.
Thought McNamee did quite well too in fairness. Could it be McCarron's last year? You'd imagine HP will be breathing down his neck. (please resist that carrot)
Don't think a run in the qualifiers will do Tyrone any harm.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 21, 2018, 01:45:43 PM
What did Harte do on the sideline lads that he was losing the head?
Noice to see the Farney Army enjoying themselves yesterday in the rain and today in the lime light.
Like ourselves they're gracious in victory which shows how little beating us means to them.
A big plus for me was the performance of Skeet. He was miles ahead of anyone else yesterday.
Thought McNamee did quite well too in fairness. Could it be McCarron's last year? You'd imagine HP will be breathing down his neck. (please resist that carrot)
I actually thought he looked in great nick before the game. Seems to have lost a few lbs.
J McCarron ran himself to a standstill and was taken off near the end. Created a lot for Monaghan
C McCarron is a leader on the team - something we are sorely lacking
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Jaysus but where would a man start analysing the game.
MH has to take a lot of responsibility for this loss. I am still a great fan of his but we have to call a spade a spade.
Collie obviously wasnt fit but still started and Brennan seemed to run out of steam. Surely if both boys could only play a certain amount of time they would be better coming off the bench?
His treatment of RON is an absolute disgrace. Used him as a scapegoat.
It is good to see we now have a full forward line rather than 1 player up front but we now have nothing on the 40.
Didnt see the Morgan kick while at the game and genuinely thought Mc Carron was playacting but after watching it at home it was a clear red. What did the umpires see to warrant a yellow?
A few Monaghan mucksavages in the stands would do well to wash their mouths out this morning.
I think this shows alot when you consider a limited club manager would do something like this - When alls going wrong for your team out the field take the corner forward off! ::)
Point I made in Tyrone section which some dont like as it questions MH.
I understand ONeill wasnt playing well but surely at this level we need to address where the actual problems were stemming from.
WTF we were hoping to achieve by taking off the corner forward I dont know. We were getting over ran in the middle.
Monaghan running at angles and pulling us all over the place.
You've answered your own question there and you don't even know it. Monaghan packed the middle third and disrupted our running game, taking sludden, Harte, Mc Shane, Mc Clure out of the match. Only matty and meyler really got going.
Replacing RON with a big mobile physical presence in the middle (conal) was an attempt to gain parity around the middle. Taking off Ron and replacing him with another corner forward to be starved of ball would have been madness.
If you're going to criticise Harte then pick legitimate complaints like letting Pete play 70 mins or bringing on the ineffective conal or Ron who were both shite. Ron was shite, play 40 mins and touched the ball twice, one of which was a hospital pass to Mc Shane.
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Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 08:24:42 AM
Jaysus but where would a man start analysing the game.
MH has to take a lot of responsibility for this loss. I am still a great fan of his but we have to call a spade a spade.
Collie obviously wasnt fit but still started and Brennan seemed to run out of steam. Surely if both boys could only play a certain amount of time they would be better coming off the bench?
His treatment of RON is an absolute disgrace. Used him as a scapegoat.
It is good to see we now have a full forward line rather than 1 player up front but we now have nothing on the 40.
Didnt see the Morgan kick while at the game and genuinely thought Mc Carron was playacting but after watching it at home it was a clear red. What did the umpires see to warrant a yellow?
A few Monaghan mucksavages in the stands would do well to wash their mouths out this morning.
I think this shows alot when you consider a limited club manager would do something like this - When alls going wrong for your team out the field take the corner forward off! ::)
Point I made in Tyrone section which some dont like as it questions MH.
I understand ONeill wasnt playing well but surely at this level we need to address where the actual problems were stemming from.
WTF we were hoping to achieve by taking off the corner forward I dont know. We were getting over ran in the middle.
Monaghan running at angles and pulling us all over the place.
You've answered your own question there and you don't even know it. Monaghan packed the middle third and disrupted our running game, taking sludden, Harte, Mc Shane, Mc Clure out of the match. Only matty and meyler really got going.
Replacing RON with a big mobile physical presence in the middle (conal) was an attempt to gain parity around the middle. Taking off Ron and replacing him with another corner forward to be starved of ball would have been madness.
If you're going to criticise Harte then pick legitimate complaints like letting Pete play 70 mins or bringing on the ineffective conal or Ron who were both shite. Ron was shite, play 40 mins and touched the ball twice, one of which was a hospital pass to Mc Shane.
And it took him 62mins to realise this? We were comprehensively outplayed from the 15th minute on
FFS I am a MH fan as much as the next man but he took the easy option yesterday in taking RON off.
It was as comfortable 3 point victory as you are likely to see.
In the Qfs round 4 could be tricky. Cork will probably lose the Munster final (otherwise it will be Tipp) and Connacht will provide either Roscommon or Galway. Ros have good forwards and so do Galway. Leinster will provide a demoralised team.
Absolutely delighted with the win but more so with the performance. Monaghan showed serious patience ande experience after a rocky enough start.. Going 5-2 down we were concerned that Tyrone would steal a march and then shut the game out. Instead, Monaghan upped the ante, ran at the Tyrone defence from all sorts of angles and broke tackle after tackle to pick off their scores. Believe me, you'd have been laughed at if you used the above parlance when talking about Tyrone and Monaghan a few years ago..
Tyrone definitely lost the side-line battle. Mickey Harte outfoxed Monaghan management for years so this was unusual to witness yesterday. We were standing on the terrace where the Tyrone team were doing their warm up (mostly non-contact stuff without the ball). It was evident that neither Cavanagh, Brennan or McCann were as sharp as the others, and I'm sure they were all well warmed up prior to that stage. Having to call all three to shore really zapped the confidence out of the team, surely bringing them on to give the team a lift would have been better. Arrogance, complacency or just bad selection on the part of MH?
Some of the scores were top class and put way to the myth that the blanket defence has totally destroyed the game and diminished the scoring ability. Give me a McAnespie/Mone/McManus score any day compared to some diminutive corner forward running into an acre and turning and shooting.
Some of the dispossessions too were text book. Monaghans control around the middle dictated the play and ultimately led to victory. That was in big part due to the performance of Rory Beggan, who put on a masterclass..
It has to be said, the arrogance and cockiness of some Tyrone posters prior to the match in calling Monaghan supporters arrogant and cocky was surprising. Monaghan folk were quietly confident of going to Omagh yesterday and winning, and this was based purely on our consistent performances of late and the strengh in our panel, and of course McManus and Beggan.. On that note, it annoyed me to hear the boos and chants coming from the stand directly behind where McManus was taking the sideline frees in the second half, although they were extinguished after he pushed the second one high, beyond the far post and over the black spot.. ;)
The delay (about 1 hour 10mins) getting out of Omagh was shocking. Folk who give out about Clones and its traffic problems need to think again..
To some all that up.. our team is better than yours ... and to rub salt in the wound, so are our roads ::)
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To some all that up.. our team is better than yours ... and to rub salt in the wound, so are our roads ::)
You forgot spelling.
Hard to know how to feel about RoN, he did nothing of note at all when introduced but again problems may further out the field. However, McAliskey played very well and made opportunities for himself.
Conal McCann was disappointing when he came in. Gave away a very cheap ball and lost another when he had a five yard headstart on the Monaghan men. Nearly sure the later ended In a Monaghan score.
Still think the back door could do us no harm. As long as the draw is kind enough it can give the panel more opportunities to stretch their legs and givethe likes of Colm more chance to get the game time built up. As always though the safety net is gone, might be the kick up the arse some of our lads need.
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Jaysus but where would a man start analysing the game.
MH has to take a lot of responsibility for this loss. I am still a great fan of his but we have to call a spade a spade.
Collie obviously wasnt fit but still started and Brennan seemed to run out of steam. Surely if both boys could only play a certain amount of time they would be better coming off the bench?
His treatment of RON is an absolute disgrace. Used him as a scapegoat.
It is good to see we now have a full forward line rather than 1 player up front but we now have nothing on the 40.
Didnt see the Morgan kick while at the game and genuinely thought Mc Carron was playacting but after watching it at home it was a clear red. What did the umpires see to warrant a yellow?
A few Monaghan mucksavages in the stands would do well to wash their mouths out this morning.
I think this shows alot when you consider a limited club manager would do something like this - When alls going wrong for your team out the field take the corner forward off! ::)
Point I made in Tyrone section which some dont like as it questions MH.
I understand ONeill wasnt playing well but surely at this level we need to address where the actual problems were stemming from.
WTF we were hoping to achieve by taking off the corner forward I dont know. We were getting over ran in the middle.
Monaghan running at angles and pulling us all over the place.
You've answered your own question there and you don't even know it. Monaghan packed the middle third and disrupted our running game, taking sludden, Harte, Mc Shane, Mc Clure out of the match. Only matty and meyler really got going.
Replacing RON with a big mobile physical presence in the middle (conal) was an attempt to gain parity around the middle. Taking off Ron and replacing him with another corner forward to be starved of ball would have been madness.
If you're going to criticise Harte then pick legitimate complaints like letting Pete play 70 mins or bringing on the ineffective conal or Ron who were both shite. Ron was shite, play 40 mins and touched the ball twice, one of which was a hospital pass to Mc Shane.
And it took him 62mins to realise this? We were comprehensively outplayed from the 15th minute on
FFS I am a MH fan as much as the next man but he took the easy option yesterday in taking RON off.
It was as comfortable 3 point victory as you are likely to see.
We were level with 5 or 6 mins to play so we were far from comprehensively outplayed. We were only comprehensively outplayed for the last 5 mins. When we had reeled Monaghan in wth 5 mins to play I'd say there was a few despondent Monaghan hearts around. Had Mc Manus not scored that wonder free we would have had the possession and chance to take the lead so it's bs to state that we were comprehensively outplayed. We spilled two simple kick outs in succession to go from 1 point down to 3 points down. Once that happened the game was as good as up.
You say that but I think we were always struggle to keep the close to Monaghan throughout the game, they just pulled away in last 10 mins. Our tactics found out to be honest. To concede 1-18 is very poor considering we would see ourselves as rock hard in defence.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on May 21, 2018, 03:16:00 PM
To some all that up.. our team is better than yours ... and to rub salt in the wound, so are our roads ::)
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You say that but I think we were always struggle to keep the close to Monaghan throughout the game, they just pulled away in last 10 mins. Our tactics found out to be honest. To concede 1-18 is very poor considering we would see ourselves as rock hard in defence.
Tyrone led for pretty much the whole first half, monaghan only took the lead in first half injury time
FFS I never read as much dung as I've seen on this page about RON being 'hard done by'.
He was on the field for 40 minutes and (as was highlighted in todays Irish News) did not get one single touch of the ball. On what planet would he not be substituted? I could get my head around the criticisms if he was being replaced by another corner forward who would be equally 'starved of possession', but he was not replaced by another corner forward.
Besides, you can make all the excuses you want about the poor supply but any forward (or any player in any position bar goalkeeper) who does not get a single touch of the ball in 40 minutes of play is not in a position to throw a hissy fit about being taken off.
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You say that but I think we were always struggle to keep the close to Monaghan throughout the game, they just pulled away in last 10 mins. Our tactics found out to be honest. To concede 1-18 is very poor considering we would see ourselves as rock hard in defence.
Tyrone led for pretty much the whole first half, monaghan only took the lead in first half injury time
Despite the score I never felt like Tyrone were on top or in control of the game. Always felt that the scales were tipped in Monaghan's favour.
McManus is a joy. Enjoy him while you can.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 21, 2018, 01:45:43 PM
What did Harte do on the sideline lads that he was losing the head?
Noice to see the Farney Army enjoying themselves yesterday in the rain and today in the lime light.
Like ourselves they're gracious in victory which shows how little beating us means to them.
Nothing on the sideline. Peter swinging his fist.
Ah I enjoyed seeing a few posters setting themselves up for the fall.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 21, 2018, 03:29:34 PM
Hard to know how to feel about RoN, he did nothing of note at all when introduced but again problems may further out the field. However, McAliskey played very well and made opportunities for himself.
Conal McCann was disappointing when he came in. Gave away a very cheap ball and lost another when he had a five yard headstart on the Monaghan men. Nearly sure the later ended In a Monaghan score.
Still think the back door could do us no harm. As long as the draw is kind enough it can give the panel more opportunities to stretch their legs and givethe likes of Colm more chance to get the game time built up. As always though the safety net is gone, might be the kick up the arse some of our lads need.
Not Senior inter county standard. Very ordinary player. Must have naked pics of MH.
RO'N should sort himself out and work a bit harder instead of acting like a spoilt child. He wasn't at the races and deserved the Sheppard's crook.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on May 21, 2018, 03:29:34 PM
Hard to know how to feel about RoN, he did nothing of note at all when introduced but again problems may further out the field. However, McAliskey played very well and made opportunities for himself.
Conal McCann was disappointing when he came in. Gave away a very cheap ball and lost another when he had a five yard headstart on the Monaghan men. Nearly sure the later ended In a Monaghan score.
Still think the back door could do us no harm. As long as the draw is kind enough it can give the panel more opportunities to stretch their legs and givethe likes of Colm more chance to get the game time built up. As always though the safety net is gone, might be the kick up the arse some of our lads need.
Not Senior inter county standard.
At least he's sorted out the hair. Pity we can't say the same about a few of the Monaghan backstreet boys.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on May 21, 2018, 03:29:34 PM
Hard to know how to feel about RoN, he did nothing of note at all when introduced but again problems may further out the field. However, McAliskey played very well and made opportunities for himself.
Conal McCann was disappointing when he came in. Gave away a very cheap ball and lost another when he had a five yard headstart on the Monaghan men. Nearly sure the later ended In a Monaghan score.
Still think the back door could do us no harm. As long as the draw is kind enough it can give the panel more opportunities to stretch their legs and givethe likes of Colm more chance to get the game time built up. As always though the safety net is gone, might be the kick up the arse some of our lads need.
Not Senior inter county standard.
At least he's sorted out the hair. Pity we can't say the same about a few of the Monaghan backstreet boys.
Tbf the Monaghan no.12 with the grey highlights (name escapes me) had a pretty good game. Got on a lot of ball.
I'm not here to gloat, but Monaghan made Tyrone to look very ordinary.
Two in a row Tyrone, but who did they beat?
Derry, Cavan (after replay) and just pipped Donegal
Derry, Donegal, Down and a tired/poor Armagh.
7 games, one convincing win v Donegal. That was it. I think this Tyrone team were overhyped. Maybe 12 points short of Dublin is about right.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 21, 2018, 05:10:11 PM
I'm not here to gloat, but Monaghan made Tyrone to look very ordinary.
Two in a row Tyrone, but who did they beat?
Derry, Cavan (after replay) and just pipped Donegal
Derry, Donegal, Down and a tired/poor Armagh.
7 games, one convincing win v Donegal. That was it. I think this Tyrone team were overhyped. Maybe 12 points short of Dublin is about right.
That's where Ulster is at. Monaghan are no great shakes either.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 21, 2018, 05:10:11 PM
I'm not here to gloat, but Monaghan made Tyrone to look very ordinary.
Two in a row Tyrone, but who did they beat?
Derry, Cavan (after replay) and just pipped Donegal
Derry, Donegal, Down and a tired/poor Armagh.
7 games, one convincing win v Donegal. That was it. I think this Tyrone team were overhyped. Maybe 12 points short of Dublin is about right.
They would have beat monaghan last year. Monaghan had a good league and have improved this year.
Two in a row ulster a good achievement at any point in time. Any other county would be happy with it.
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Quote from: BennyCake on May 21, 2018, 05:10:11 PM
I'm not here to gloat, but Monaghan made Tyrone to look very ordinary.
Two in a row Tyrone, but who did they beat?
Derry, Cavan (after replay) and just pipped Donegal
Derry, Donegal, Down and a tired/poor Armagh.
7 games, one convincing win v Donegal. That was it. I think this Tyrone team were overhyped. Maybe 12 points short of Dublin is about right.
They would have beat monaghan last year. Monaghan had a good league and have improved this year.
Two in a row ulster a good achievement at any point in time. Any other county would be happy with it.
We'll never know that.
Yes, absolutely. But it was too much thinking they could/can win the All Ireland.
Yeah but because dublin beat them people just assumed tyrone were rubbish. It was more that dublin were fantastic.
We will never know that but for the last 2 years they have beat the team that beat monaghan which says a lot. They are getting a lot of slating when they don't necessarily deserve it.
Even yesterday they were at a point down late enough on and it could have swung the other way. Wouldn't have deserved it but could have happened.
I don't think they have become a bad team overnight - though are a lot poorer for not having sean cavanagh.
For all the garbage seafoid spouts i think he said one thing that may be accurate- the dublin defeat has a) dented tyrone's confidence and b) made other teams realise they're beatable.
Time to split Monaghan into 2.
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Yeah but because dublin beat them people just assumed tyrone were rubbish. It was more that dublin were fantastic.
We will never know that but for the last 2 years they have beat the team that beat monaghan which says a lot. They are getting a lot of slating when they don't necessarily deserve it.
Even yesterday they were at a point down late enough on and it could have swung the other way. Wouldn't have deserved it but could have happened.
I don't think they have become a bad team overnight - though are a lot poorer for not having sean cavanagh.
For all the garbage seafoid spouts i think he said one thing that may be accurate- the dublin defeat has a) dented tyrone's confidence and b) made other teams realise they're beatable.
Thanks for the compliment!
Just on this board the Dublin match was a real gamechanger. Before it Tyrone fans were posting a lot and very optimistic.
Afterwards they were very subdued.
Same in the league . After a few losses they were very quiet although things did improve towards the end.
This Tyrone project has been on the go a few years and people probably expected it to be further on than it actually is.
Any time ;D
Monaghan are in the top 3 teams in Ireland at the moment, and deserve more respect than even that clown Main Street gives them. They had a massive win yesterday. One move that might have won the game for Tyrone would have been petie to the full forward line when Bradley went off and r Brennan in. I'd drop any half back or half forward who can't play a 30 pass to the full forward line or who thinks they are a better forward than Mc aliskey or Brennan. After yesterday I don't think Tyrone's full forward line is a problem. It's the players who think they can contribute more by taking the extra solo 50 yards out.
Tyrone will regroup and win the all Ireland if Harte adapts and pulls in a few form players from the club scene. The super 8s will knock the shit out of. Lot of teams this year so will the qualifiers. The most flexible manager and squad usage will do well. Smells like 08. I'm growing the beard.
Quote from: rrhf on May 21, 2018, 09:23:08 PM
Monaghan are in the top 3 teams in Ireland at the moment, and deserve more respect than even that clown Main Street gives them. They had a massive win yesterday. One move that might have won the game for Tyrone would have been petie to the full forward line when Bradley went off and r Brennan in. I'd drop any half back or half forward who can't play a 30 pass to the full forward line or who thinks they are a better forward than Mc aliskey or Brennan. After yesterday I don't think Tyrone's full forward line is a problem. It's the players who think they can contribute more by taking the extra solo 50 yards out.
Tyrone will regroup and win the all Ireland if Harte adapts and pulls in a few form players from the club scene. The super 8s will knock the shit out of. Lot of teams this year so will the qualifiers. The most flexible manager and squad usage will do well. Smells like 08. I'm growing the beard.
I thought this was a sensible post and was agreeing with you until you said Tyrone will regroup and win the all Ireland No ifs buts or maybes are gonna make that happen
You are right about the ff line.... They aren't getting ball in. If harte had went in there he wouldn't have seen the ball. Only option in ff line, in my view, would be donnelly to give you a physical option then players might kick it in.
Dublin are a dozen plus points better than tyrone. No chance at all of winning ai.
Just reading the Irish news and Brendan crossan wrote
Just when the ulster champ was starting to sag Tyrone and Monaghan produced an aboulste thriller in Healy park.The quality of this game was so high it's hard to imagine it being bettered for the rest of the summer
Was it that good, even thevsunday game said it was a great game. Anybody else think it was a classic
Hearing a lot about it being a great game. I know we were beat but even during the match myself and fellas around me all agreed it was a bit dull. Some great scores but no massive intensity or atmosphere.
Quote from: rrhf on May 21, 2018, 09:23:08 PM
Monaghan are in the top 3 teams in Ireland at the moment, and deserve more respect than even that clown Main Street gives them. They had a massive win yesterday. One move that might have won the game for Tyrone would have been petie to the full forward line when Bradley went off and r Brennan in. I'd drop any half back or half forward who can't play a 30 pass to the full forward line or who thinks they are a better forward than Mc aliskey or Brennan. After yesterday I don't think Tyrone's full forward line is a problem. It's the players who think they can contribute more by taking the extra solo 50 yards out.
Tyrone will regroup and win the all Ireland if Harte adapts and pulls in a few form players from the club scene. The super 8s will knock the shit out of. Lot of teams this year so will the qualifiers. The most flexible manager and squad usage will do well. Smells like 08. I'm growing the beard.
Never mind growing a beard you had better get a clown suit on if you think that Monaghan are a top 3 team and Tyrone will win an All Ireland again with Harte at the helm. Delusional stuff.
i thought the game was a bit dull and cagey. alot of sideways posession football. having said that i dont think ive ever seen a game with as many quality scores from both teams and from so many different players.
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Quote from: rrhf on May 21, 2018, 09:23:08 PM
Monaghan are in the top 3 teams in Ireland at the moment, and deserve more respect than even that clown Main Street gives them. They had a massive win yesterday. One move that might have won the game for Tyrone would have been petie to the full forward line when Bradley went off and r Brennan in. I'd drop any half back or half forward who can't play a 30 pass to the full forward line or who thinks they are a better forward than Mc aliskey or Brennan. After yesterday I don't think Tyrone's full forward line is a problem. It's the players who think they can contribute more by taking the extra solo 50 yards out.
Tyrone will regroup and win the all Ireland if Harte adapts and pulls in a few form players from the club scene. The super 8s will knock the shit out of. Lot of teams this year so will the qualifiers. The most flexible manager and squad usage will do well. Smells like 08. I'm growing the beard.
Never mind growing a beard you had better get a clown suit on if you think that Monaghan are a top 3 team and Tyrone will win an All Ireland again with Harte at the helm. Delusional stuff.
okay i'll bite. Who are the 3 above them on the evidence of this year. I'll give you Dublin and Kerry but that's it for the time being anyway
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Quote from: rrhf on May 21, 2018, 09:23:08 PM
Monaghan are in the top 3 teams in Ireland at the moment, and deserve more respect than even that clown Main Street gives them. They had a massive win yesterday. One move that might have won the game for Tyrone would have been petie to the full forward line when Bradley went off and r Brennan in. I'd drop any half back or half forward who can't play a 30 pass to the full forward line or who thinks they are a better forward than Mc aliskey or Brennan. After yesterday I don't think Tyrone's full forward line is a problem. It's the players who think they can contribute more by taking the extra solo 50 yards out.
Tyrone will regroup and win the all Ireland if Harte adapts and pulls in a few form players from the club scene. The super 8s will knock the shit out of. Lot of teams this year so will the qualifiers. The most flexible manager and squad usage will do well. Smells like 08. I'm growing the beard.
Never mind growing a beard you had better get a clown suit on if you think that Monaghan are a top 3 team and Tyrone will win an All Ireland again with Harte at the helm. Delusional stuff.
okay i'll bite. Who are the 3 above them on the evidence of this year. I'll give you Dublin and Kerry but that's it for the time being anyway
Galway
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Quote from: rrhf on May 21, 2018, 09:23:08 PM
Monaghan are in the top 3 teams in Ireland at the moment, and deserve more respect than even that clown Main Street gives them. They had a massive win yesterday. One move that might have won the game for Tyrone would have been petie to the full forward line when Bradley went off and r Brennan in. I'd drop any half back or half forward who can't play a 30 pass to the full forward line or who thinks they are a better forward than Mc aliskey or Brennan. After yesterday I don't think Tyrone's full forward line is a problem. It's the players who think they can contribute more by taking the extra solo 50 yards out.
Tyrone will regroup and win the all Ireland if Harte adapts and pulls in a few form players from the club scene. The super 8s will knock the shit out of. Lot of teams this year so will the qualifiers. The most flexible manager and squad usage will do well. Smells like 08. I'm growing the beard.
Never mind growing a beard you had better get a clown suit on if you think that Monaghan are a top 3 team and Tyrone will win an All Ireland again with Harte at the helm. Delusional stuff.
okay i'll bite. Who are the 3 above them on the evidence of this year. I'll give you Dublin and Kerry but that's it for the time being anyway
Galway
wouldn't think so. Not this year anyway. The way they laboured to beat a malfunctioning mayo team with a man advantage wouldn't suggest they'll do too much. They'll make the super 8s alright but i think that will be their lot
Would McManus be as good as Nudie was back in the day?
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Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 21, 2018, 09:50:34 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 21, 2018, 09:23:08 PM
Monaghan are in the top 3 teams in Ireland at the moment, and deserve more respect than even that clown Main Street gives them. They had a massive win yesterday. One move that might have won the game for Tyrone would have been petie to the full forward line when Bradley went off and r Brennan in. I'd drop any half back or half forward who can't play a 30 pass to the full forward line or who thinks they are a better forward than Mc aliskey or Brennan. After yesterday I don't think Tyrone's full forward line is a problem. It's the players who think they can contribute more by taking the extra solo 50 yards out.
Tyrone will regroup and win the all Ireland if Harte adapts and pulls in a few form players from the club scene. The super 8s will knock the shit out of. Lot of teams this year so will the qualifiers. The most flexible manager and squad usage will do well. Smells like 08. I'm growing the beard.
Never mind growing a beard you had better get a clown suit on if you think that Monaghan are a top 3 team and Tyrone will win an All Ireland again with Harte at the helm. Delusional stuff.
okay i'll bite. Who are the 3 above them on the evidence of this year. I'll give you Dublin and Kerry but that's it for the time being anyway
Galway
I would go as follows untill Monaghan beat some one of significance in Croke Park
Dublin
Kerry
Galway
Mayo
Monaghan
but if it makes you feel nice and warm to think a team who haven't been to even an All Ireland Semi in recent Years as top 3 then knock yourself out.
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Would McManus be as good as Nudie was back in the day?
Big tom was McManus godfather
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Hearing a lot about it being a great game. I know we were beat but even during the match myself and fellas around me all agreed it was a bit dull. Some great scores but no massive intensity or atmosphere.
Agree with that. Thought the first half it was pensive. Not a big fan of matching the zone. Hard to watch and little contact in the middle of the pitch.
I thought the crowd was quiet as well until the last 5/10mins
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Quote from: omagh_gael on May 21, 2018, 09:46:42 PM
Hearing a lot about it being a great game. I know we were beat but even during the match myself and fellas around me all agreed it was a bit dull. Some great scores but no massive intensity or atmosphere.
Agree with that. Thought the first half it was pensive. Not a big fan of matching the zone. Hard to watch and little contact in the middle of the pitch.
I thought the crowd was quiet as well until the last 5/10mins
Well thank God to hear that as I got lambasted here last nite for daring to suggest it was a poor game and many I've met who were there thought the same.
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Hearing a lot about it being a great game. I know we were beat but even during the match myself and fellas around me all agreed it was a bit dull. Some great scores but no massive intensity or atmosphere.
Agree with that. Thought the first half it was pensive. Not a big fan of matching the zone. Hard to watch and little contact in the middle of the pitch.
I thought the crowd was quiet as well until the last 5/10mins
Well thank God to hear that as I got lambasted here last nite for daring to suggest it was a poor game and many I've met who were there thought the same.
Sensitive soul, you must have replied a dozen times yesterday on just how crap you thought the game was and anybody who thought different hasn't a clue. Nobody lambasted you, mostly you were ignored despite your obsession with the reply button.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on May 21, 2018, 09:46:42 PM
Hearing a lot about it being a great game. I know we were beat but even during the match myself and fellas around me all agreed it was a bit dull. Some great scores but no massive intensity or atmosphere.
Agree with that. Thought the first half it was pensive. Not a big fan of matching the zone. Hard to watch and little contact in the middle of the pitch.
I thought the crowd was quiet as well until the last 5/10mins
It was no classic but was still the best game played this year so far in championship. Most modern matches are quiet until the last 5/10 unfortunately, the Donegal/Tyrone Ulster final 16 was a better match than this but only lit up in the last 10 mins.
It's a fair stretch to call it a bad game though, there was good tactical execution by both sides with some fantastic scores and good interception defending in instances by Donnelly and Burns (that I can recall, I'm sure Monaghan had similar). There was plenty of dross 10 -15 years ago too, someone mentioned the Laois Tyrone qualifier '04, an instantly forgettable game, likewise Tyrone/Sligo '02 and Tyrone Mayo '08 were all cagey, mistake strewn affairs.
Wylie does look on the way out as a full back which is funny as he was the best one around for a wile(y :P ) there.
Tho hitting that point after the goal shows that he understands what leadership is and what is required from him
How many times during the naughties did Dooher hit a score like that. Understanding that after scoring a goal is when you are at your most vulnerable for a sucker punch and getting a point like that sucks any momentum to for a reprisal from the oppostion and lifts your teammates out of any loss of focus from the goal. In a way it was more important than the goal itself. You cant replace a man like that with technical ability
This is in the archives. Tyrone were relegated in 2015 and the mojo was not good.
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Re: NFL Round 1: Monaghan v Tyrone
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"Out-fought, out-scrapped, out-thought, out-determined, out-muscled, out-driven, out-disciplined, out-led, out-strategised, out-played and, ultimately, simply out-done."
Since then there has been promotion and 2 Ulsters but was Sean Cavanagh properly replaced?
Monaghan aren't bad either.
is maybe biger
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Quote from: omagh_gael on May 21, 2018, 09:46:42 PM
Hearing a lot about it being a great game. I know we were beat but even during the match myself and fellas around me all agreed it was a bit dull. Some great scores but no massive intensity or atmosphere.
Agree with that. Thought the first half it was pensive. Not a big fan of matching the zone. Hard to watch and little contact in the middle of the pitch.
I thought the crowd was quiet as well until the last 5/10mins
Well thank God to hear that as I got lambasted here last nite for daring to suggest it was a poor game and many I've met who were there thought the same.
Sensitive soul, you must have replied a dozen times yesterday on just how crap you thought the game was and anybody who thought different hasn't a clue. Nobody lambasted you, mostly you were ignored despite your obsession with the reply button.
I just couldn't believe that county football is in such a state that so many thought it was a great game. I suppose you're right I am too sensitive - I was crestfallen for those poor souls :'(
If you thought that was a poor game I honestly think you'd be safer giving up on football. A very good game full of quality play and excellent scores contested by two good teams. Wides were limited and the result was in the balance up until the last 5 minutes with the underdog eventually winning. GAA fans are like no other sports fans in that they seem to expect some kind of perfect game every time they watch a match and every time there is a poor game football is finished.
Any time I read your posts you seem to be talking negatively about Tyrone/Mickey Harte or football in general. Would you not be safer not following the games if they give you such a sense of negativity? Personally I love Tyrone and love to see them doing well and really like football, that's why I watch it. I don't have any real interest in rugby for example so I rarely watch it or rarely talk about it. I'd have thought that was just a logical thing to do.
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Monaghan are in the top 3 teams in Ireland at the moment, and deserve more respect than even that clown Main Street gives them. They had a massive win yesterday. One move that might have won the game for Tyrone would have been petie to the full forward line when Bradley went off and r Brennan in. I'd drop any half back or half forward who can't play a 30 pass to the full forward line or who thinks they are a better forward than Mc aliskey or Brennan. After yesterday I don't think Tyrone's full forward line is a problem. It's the players who think they can contribute more by taking the extra solo 50 yards out.
Tyrone will regroup and win the all Ireland if Harte adapts and pulls in a few form players from the club scene. The super 8s will knock the shit out of. Lot of teams this year so will the qualifiers. The most flexible manager and squad usage will do well. Smells like 08. I'm growing the beard.
Never mind growing a beard you had better get a clown suit on if you think that Monaghan are a top 3 team and Tyrone will win an All Ireland again with Harte at the helm. Delusional stuff.
okay i'll bite. Who are the 3 above them on the evidence of this year. I'll give you Dublin and Kerry but that's it for the time being anyway
Galway
I would go as follows untill Monaghan beat some one of significance in Croke Park
Dublin
Kerry
Galway
Mayo
Monaghan
but if it makes you feel nice and warm to think a team who haven't been to even an All Ireland Semi in recent Years as top 3 then knock yourself out.
Yet you include Galway in your top three even though they've yet to beat anyone in Croke Park in recent years and haven't been to a semi final since (I think) 2001?
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Hearing a lot about it being a great game. I know we were beat but even during the match myself and fellas around me all agreed it was a bit dull. Some great scores but no massive intensity or atmosphere.
Agree with that. Thought the first half it was pensive. Not a big fan of matching the zone. Hard to watch and little contact in the middle of the pitch.
I thought the crowd was quiet as well until the last 5/10mins
I dont agree about the game, I thought it was a very good contest with alot of high quality from both sides., But i agree with you about the atmosphere.
i thought it was strangely muted., maybe we could put a bit of that down to the drab day, but I find alot of games like that now, lacking in a bit of colour and excitment from the crowd that we used to get.
I would fear that could be the case for the super 8 games as well, if they lack that 'knockout' factor.
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Monaghan are in the top 3 teams in Ireland at the moment, and deserve more respect than even that clown Main Street gives them. They had a massive win yesterday. One move that might have won the game for Tyrone would have been petie to the full forward line when Bradley went off and r Brennan in. I'd drop any half back or half forward who can't play a 30 pass to the full forward line or who thinks they are a better forward than Mc aliskey or Brennan. After yesterday I don't think Tyrone's full forward line is a problem. It's the players who think they can contribute more by taking the extra solo 50 yards out.
Tyrone will regroup and win the all Ireland if Harte adapts and pulls in a few form players from the club scene. The super 8s will knock the shit out of. Lot of teams this year so will the qualifiers. The most flexible manager and squad usage will do well. Smells like 08. I'm growing the beard.
Never mind growing a beard you had better get a clown suit on if you think that Monaghan are a top 3 team and Tyrone will win an All Ireland again with Harte at the helm. Delusional stuff.
okay i'll bite. Who are the 3 above them on the evidence of this year. I'll give you Dublin and Kerry but that's it for the time being anyway
Galway
I would go as follows untill Monaghan beat some one of significance in Croke Park
Dublin
Kerry
Galway
Mayo
Monaghan
but if it makes you feel nice and warm to think a team who haven't been to even an All Ireland Semi in recent Years as top 3 then knock yourself out.
Yet you include Galway in your top three even though they've yet to beat anyone in Croke Park in recent years and haven't been to a semi final since (I think) 2001?
The only rankings that matter are the ones that will be generally agreed upon after the championship is finished, particularly given that it will be far easier to assess this year with all the extra games in the Super 8 round robin. The only certainty the past few years is that Dublin are number one.
Personally I don't think that Galway can be included in the top 3 teams in the country based on the past 3 years of championship and league form which has been patchy in both quality and consistency, there was better levels of consistency in the league this year to be fair but there's a long way to go yet in this championship.
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Monaghan are in the top 3 teams in Ireland at the moment, and deserve more respect than even that clown Main Street gives them. They had a massive win yesterday. One move that might have won the game for Tyrone would have been petie to the full forward line when Bradley went off and r Brennan in. I'd drop any half back or half forward who can't play a 30 pass to the full forward line or who thinks they are a better forward than Mc aliskey or Brennan. After yesterday I don't think Tyrone's full forward line is a problem. It's the players who think they can contribute more by taking the extra solo 50 yards out.
Tyrone will regroup and win the all Ireland if Harte adapts and pulls in a few form players from the club scene. The super 8s will knock the shit out of. Lot of teams this year so will the qualifiers. The most flexible manager and squad usage will do well. Smells like 08. I'm growing the beard.
Never mind growing a beard you had better get a clown suit on if you think that Monaghan are a top 3 team and Tyrone will win an All Ireland again with Harte at the helm. Delusional stuff.
okay i'll bite. Who are the 3 above them on the evidence of this year. I'll give you Dublin and Kerry but that's it for the time being anyway
Galway
I would go as follows untill Monaghan beat some one of significance in Croke Park
Dublin
Kerry
Galway
Mayo
Monaghan
but if it makes you feel nice and warm to think a team who haven't been to even an All Ireland Semi in recent Years as top 3 then knock yourself out.
Yet you include Galway in your top three even though they've yet to beat anyone in Croke Park in recent years and haven't been to a semi final since (I think) 2001?
They beat Kildare in the D2 final last year in CP. But they haven't got any sort of record other than beating Mayo three years on the trot and then losing badly to Tipp and Kerry in 16 and 17 . This year will tell a lot
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Hard to know how to feel about RoN, he did nothing of note at all when introduced but again problems may further out the field. However, McAliskey played very well and made opportunities for himself.
Conal McCann was disappointing when he came in. Gave away a very cheap ball and lost another when he had a five yard headstart on the Monaghan men. Nearly sure the later ended In a Monaghan score.
Still think the back door could do us no harm. As long as the draw is kind enough it can give the panel more opportunities to stretch their legs and givethe likes of Colm more chance to get the game time built up. As always though the safety net is gone, might be the kick up the arse some of our lads need.
Not Senior inter county standard.
At least he's sorted out the hair. Pity we can't say the same about a few of the Monaghan backstreet boys.
Tbf the Monaghan no.12 with the grey highlights (name escapes me) had a pretty good game. Got on a lot of ball.
That was Dessie Ward who was taken off 5 minutes into the 2nd half, thought he was poor and ran into trouble several times during the 1st half.
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Monaghan are in the top 3 teams in Ireland at the moment, and deserve more respect than even that clown Main Street gives them. They had a massive win yesterday. One move that might have won the game for Tyrone would have been petie to the full forward line when Bradley went off and r Brennan in. I'd drop any half back or half forward who can't play a 30 pass to the full forward line or who thinks they are a better forward than Mc aliskey or Brennan. After yesterday I don't think Tyrone's full forward line is a problem. It's the players who think they can contribute more by taking the extra solo 50 yards out.
Tyrone will regroup and win the all Ireland if Harte adapts and pulls in a few form players from the club scene. The super 8s will knock the shit out of. Lot of teams this year so will the qualifiers. The most flexible manager and squad usage will do well. Smells like 08. I'm growing the beard.
Never mind growing a beard you had better get a clown suit on if you think that Monaghan are a top 3 team and Tyrone will win an All Ireland again with Harte at the helm. Delusional stuff.
okay i'll bite. Who are the 3 above them on the evidence of this year. I'll give you Dublin and Kerry but that's it for the time being anyway
Galway
I would go as follows untill Monaghan beat some one of significance in Croke Park
Dublin
Kerry
Galway
Mayo
Monaghan
but if it makes you feel nice and warm to think a team who haven't been to even an All Ireland Semi in recent Years as top 3 then knock yourself out.
Yet you include Galway in your top three even though they've yet to beat anyone in Croke Park in recent years and haven't been to a semi final since (I think) 2001?
The only rankings that matter are the ones that will be generally agreed upon after the championship is finished, particularly given that it will be far easier to assess this year with all the extra games in the Super 8 round robin. The only certainty the past few years is that Dublin are number one.
Personally I don't think that Galway can be included in the top 3 teams in the country based on the past 3 years of championship and league form which has been patchy in both quality and consistency, there was better levels of consistency in the league this year to be fair but there's a long way to go yet in this championship.
agree with that. You'd think that the super 8 should come from the 8 div 1 teams plus the 2 newly promoted teams . I think cork and tipp also have a good chance specially given the softer route from Munster (less games - no round 1 qualifiers, avoiding kerry until the munster final). No such luxuries for Mayo, Tyrone or Cavan. I won't be surprised if none of these make it as it a long route compressed into a short number of weeks.
Forgot about the league final last year, Seafoid. However, championship is where it is at. I think this year we're more likely to see a Monaghan or Galway in a semi final compared to Tyrone and Mayo last year.
On my point regarding the game. I agree it was good quality and definitely the best match of the year so far. However, it was very very flat on the terraces. I think there was one half arsed chant around the time a drew level in 2nd half. Maybe it was the rain, that was a bit shit to be honest!
The game is won on small margins - had a chance to re watch some again yesterday evening - whilst Monaghan where the better side over the whole game there as some rubs of the green if Tyrone had got or if decisions by Tyrone players had been diffferent maybe Tyrone could have walked away with a steal.
Why Hugh Pat shot from a crazy angle with the right boot on the left footed side - if he reworked it and got ahead would the game have turned out different
I don't believe it was a free for McManus free that put Monaghan 1 ahead
In saying that I know Monaghan could have had a penalty and Morgan could have been sent off too. Into the bargain Drew Wylie should have seen black early on.
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The game is won on small margins - had a chance to re watch some again yesterday evening - whilst Monaghan where the better side over the whole game there as some rubs of the green if Tyrone had got or if decisions by Tyrone players had been diffferent maybe Tyrone could have walked away with a steal.
Why Hugh Pat shot from a crazy angle with the right boot on the left footed side - if he reworked it and got ahead would the game have turned out different
I don't believe it was a free for McManus free that put Monaghan 1 ahead
In saying that I know Monaghan could have had a penalty and Morgan could have been sent off too. Into the bargain Drew Wylie should have seen black early on.
It was soft but that was the case all day, as for Drew Wylie he was very lucky not to get a black card but not to get even a yellow was a joke; The Monaghan player would have had a goal chance.
I've seen us rode out of championship with tougher refs so I can have no complaints with the ref. He let a fair bit go but was equal in his treatment of both sides. That's exactly what you want. I'd have to say the game was refereed excellently.
Wylie and Morgan both could have walked. Burns had a neck high pull down in the 1st half that could have been black with a sissy ref. Dessie Ward ran into the defence a few times and won nothing. Likewise Karl o Connell or Duffy at the far end ran 60 metres and was bundled over late in the 2nd half and got nothing. Burns in the 1st half done exactly the same thing and got no free, both defences rode their luck..
The only thing I could say he missed was the abuse directed at Harte off the ball. You could see Colm Cavanagh remonstrate with the sideline official at the end of the 1st half about it and it was clearly a pre planned tactic to disrupt Peter. Not saying we didn't do the same, I'm sure Skeet and cathal has plenty to say all day but it's a factor of the game I'd like stamped out especially when it's all going one way.
Watched full game on the BBC player last night I thought Monaghan were full value for their win but they did get the rub of the green on a few calls expect that Morgan should have got his marching orders!
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The game is won on small margins - had a chance to re watch some again yesterday evening - whilst Monaghan where the better side over the whole game there as some rubs of the green if Tyrone had got or if decisions by Tyrone players had been diffferent maybe Tyrone could have walked away with a steal.
Why Hugh Pat shot from a crazy angle with the right boot on the left footed side - if he reworked it and got ahead would the game have turned out different
I don't believe it was a free for McManus free that put Monaghan 1 ahead
In saying that I know Monaghan could have had a penalty and Morgan could have been sent off too. Into the bargain Drew Wylie should have seen black early on.
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Watched full game on the BBC player last night I thought Monaghan were full value for their win but they did get the rub of the green on a few calls expect that Morgan should have got his marching orders!
The 45 Tyrone got leading to their goal too looked to be a wide.
What are the thoughts on Mairtin Beag's revelations yesterday: https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0521/964991-mchugh-mickey-harte-is-really-under-pressure/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0521/964991-mchugh-mickey-harte-is-really-under-pressure/)
"The home work the management has done has been great. Malachy O'Rourke and Ryan Porter weren't going to games in Monaghan to look for players. They went to Tyrone club matches to see what they could pick up instead."
"That's the level management has gone to. They won the battle on the sideline hands down by doing things like that."
Is this on a par with Devenney's pubic assertion that McManus was not gonna feature or does Martin just like to say something different for the sake of it?
Would MOR and Ryan Porter have spent time (unnoticed) at Tyrone league games, really? ???
I've previously heard Martin say three different contradictory things in the space of a single sentence.
I wouldn't pay too much heed to him.
Tyrone are out to 20/1, from 10/1
I remember backing Tyrone at 20/1 after our first round exit to down in 2008. Wont be putting a penny on them this time though.
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What are the thoughts on Mairtin Beag's revelations yesterday: https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0521/964991-mchugh-mickey-harte-is-really-under-pressure/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0521/964991-mchugh-mickey-harte-is-really-under-pressure/)
"The home work the management has done has been great. Malachy O'Rourke and Ryan Porter weren't going to games in Monaghan to look for players. They went to Tyrone club matches to see what they could pick up instead."
"That's the level management has gone to. They won the battle on the sideline hands down by doing things like that."
Is this on a par with Devenney's pubic assertion that McManus was not gonna feature or does Martin just like to say something different for the sake of it?
Would MOR and Ryan Porter have spent time (unnoticed) at Tyrone league games, really? ???
I'd safely say that is a load of nonsense. I honestly don't know what they would gain or learn by going to Tyrone club league games?
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I've previously heard Martin say three different contradictory things in the space of a single sentence.
I wouldn't pay too much heed to him.
Is that not a part of what it is to be Irish?
But I suppose the Norman influence must persist over in de Ryle county
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What are the thoughts on Mairtin Beag's revelations yesterday: https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0521/964991-mchugh-mickey-harte-is-really-under-pressure/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0521/964991-mchugh-mickey-harte-is-really-under-pressure/)
"The home work the management has done has been great. Malachy O'Rourke and Ryan Porter weren't going to games in Monaghan to look for players. They went to Tyrone club matches to see what they could pick up instead."
"That's the level management has gone to. They won the battle on the sideline hands down by doing things like that."
Is this on a par with Devenney's pubic assertion that McManus was not gonna feature or does Martin just like to say something different for the sake of it?
Would MOR and Ryan Porter have spent time (unnoticed) at Tyrone league games, really? ???
Told us one time that Gooch was a one trick pony. Haven't listened to a word he's said since.
Looking forward to jimmy's analysis of the match, he's now about the only worthwhile analyst.
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Looking forward to jimmy's analysis of the match, he's now about the only worthwhile analyst.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-monaghan-won-t-overthrow-dublin-by-copying-them-1.3503358?mode=amp
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Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on May 22, 2018, 01:45:55 PM
What are the thoughts on Mairtin Beag's revelations yesterday: https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0521/964991-mchugh-mickey-harte-is-really-under-pressure/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0521/964991-mchugh-mickey-harte-is-really-under-pressure/)
"The home work the management has done has been great. Malachy O'Rourke and Ryan Porter weren't going to games in Monaghan to look for players. They went to Tyrone club matches to see what they could pick up instead."
"That's the level management has gone to. They won the battle on the sideline hands down by doing things like that."
Is this on a par with Devenney's pubic assertion that McManus was not gonna feature or does Martin just like to say something different for the sake of it?
Would MOR and Ryan Porter have spent time (unnoticed) at Tyrone league games, really? ???
I'd safely say that is a load of nonsense. I honestly don't know what they would gain or learn by going to Tyrone club league games?
Porter, being a Tyrone man and ORourke, who lives in Tyrone, would regularly go to Tyrone club championship games im sure.
Porter would already have a good knowledge of the tyrone players from his time in tyrone club football with dromore
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Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on May 22, 2018, 01:45:55 PM
What are the thoughts on Mairtin Beag's revelations yesterday: https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0521/964991-mchugh-mickey-harte-is-really-under-pressure/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0521/964991-mchugh-mickey-harte-is-really-under-pressure/)
"The home work the management has done has been great. Malachy O'Rourke and Ryan Porter weren't going to games in Monaghan to look for players. They went to Tyrone club matches to see what they could pick up instead."
"That's the level management has gone to. They won the battle on the sideline hands down by doing things like that."
Is this on a par with Devenney's pubic assertion that McManus was not gonna feature or does Martin just like to say something different for the sake of it?
Would MOR and Ryan Porter have spent time (unnoticed) at Tyrone league games, really? ???
I'd safely say that is a load of nonsense. I honestly don't know what they would gain or learn by going to Tyrone club league games?
Porter, being a Tyrone man and ORourke, who lives in Tyrone, would regularly go to Tyrone club championship games im sure.
Porter would already have a good knowledge of the tyrone players from his time in tyrone club football with dromore
The way McHugh is spinning it then you'd think this was the winning and losing of the game. I've no doubt they take in the odd championship game but just don't see them watching Tyrone league games being a key component in them beating Tyrone. As you say they'd have seen plenty of them over the years to build up a knowledge of them. MCHugh talking nonsense me thinks.
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Hearing a lot about it being a great game. I know we were beat but even during the match myself and fellas around me all agreed it was a bit dull. Some great scores but no massive intensity or atmosphere.
Agree with that. Thought the first half it was pensive. Not a big fan of matching the zone. Hard to watch and little contact in the middle of the pitch.
I thought the crowd was quiet as well until the last 5/10mins
Well thank God to hear that as I got lambasted here last nite for daring to suggest it was a poor game and many I've met who were there thought the same.
Sensitive soul, you must have replied a dozen times yesterday on just how crap you thought the game was and anybody who thought different hasn't a clue. Nobody lambasted you, mostly you were ignored despite your obsession with the reply button.
I just couldn't believe that county football is in such a state that so many thought it was a great game. I suppose you're right I am too sensitive - I was crestfallen for those poor souls :'(
If you thought that was a poor game I honestly think you'd be safer giving up on football. A very good game full of quality play and excellent scores contested by two good teams. Wides were limited and the result was in the balance up until the last 5 minutes with the underdog eventually winning. GAA fans are like no other sports fans in that they seem to expect some kind of perfect game every time they watch a match and every time there is a poor game football is finished.
Any time I read your posts you seem to be talking negatively about Tyrone/Mickey Harte or football in general. Would you not be safer not following the games if they give you such a sense of negativity? Personally I love Tyrone and love to see them doing well and really like football, that's why I watch it. I don't have any real interest in rugby for example so I rarely watch it or rarely talk about it. I'd have thought that was just a logical thing to do.
I have seen good games recently but if you think Tyrone havent been negative you're letting your 'love' get in the way of reason. ::)
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0522/965299-jordan-cavanagh-harte/
Martin Mc Hugh bullsh...... he usually comes out with the one (word on the street) before games to make people think he knows all.Monaghan management watching club football probably to get out of domestic chores.
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https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0522/965299-jordan-cavanagh-harte/
From that article: "I see no reason why Tyrone can't get themselves to the Super 8 and, in a way, going through the qualifiers has improved their chance of making the semi-final
as they will avoid Dublin. The Leinster and Ulster champions are due to meet in one Super 8 group."
That is wrong - they
MAY avoid Dublin. If Tyrone get to the Super 8's, they have a 50/50 chance of being in Dublin's group - it all depends on which beaten provincial finalist Tyrone play in Round 4. If they play (and beat) the Munster or Connacht final loser then they go into the group with the Leinster champions.
You would think someone would check these things before publishing (not necessarily the author).
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Martin Mc Hugh bullsh...... he usually comes out with the one (word on the street) before games to make people think he knows all.Monaghan management watching club football probably to get out of domestic chores.
Would say that's the case for Porter alright he's got two sets of twins at home :P
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The tyronist intifada has been issued against big Sean, who stands accused by Jordan of team Tyrone bashing in order to further the sales of a book, his pundit career and of being inspired by the lowest pundit scúm on the planet, Joe Brolly :) That's the way to respond to criticism in Tyrone.
Jordan puts Monaghan's victory entirely down to the contribution of Beggan and McManus over and above their Tyrone counterparts, not anything to do with Tyrone management/coaching/system of play.
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https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0522/965299-jordan-cavanagh-harte/
From that article: "I see no reason why Tyrone can't get themselves to the Super 8 and, in a way, going through the qualifiers has improved their chance of making the semi-final as they will avoid Dublin. The Leinster and Ulster champions are due to meet in one Super 8 group."
That is wrong - they MAY avoid Dublin. If Tyrone get to the Super 8's, they have a 50/50 chance of being in Dublin's group - it all depends on which beaten provincial finalist Tyrone play in Round 4. If they play (and beat) the Munster or Connacht final loser then they go into the group with the Leinster champions.
You would think someone would check these things before publishing (not necessarily the author).
What I took from that, is that he meant if you win ulster you are automatically drawn in the same group as Dublin? but going through back door there's a good chance to avoid them?
If you win ulster you go into the same group as Dublin which is a good thing imo. You can afford to get beat by Dublin, win the other 2 games thus quality for semi and avoid Dublin again til the final.
Darragh O'Se doesn't think the Monaghan panel is strong enough to come through the super 8's in his article today.
The monaghan squad looks stronger this year than it has in a number of years.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 23, 2018, 10:23:58 AM
The monaghan squad looks stronger this year than it has in a number of years.
Agreed looked a lot more rounded than Tyrone on Sunday but if they where to lose out on a semi with Tyrone in their Super 8 group and Tyrone made it it would be a huge kick in the balls to the squad again. Interesting times ahead.
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 09:30:58 AM
If you win ulster you go into the same group as Dublin which is a good thing imo. You can afford to get beat by Dublin, win the other 2 games thus quality for semi and avoid Dublin again til the final.
So if you emerge from your 'super 4' group you will be in a semi-final with a team from the other super 4 group? That might be preferable but taking a beating from Dublin in your group may not be ideal, and it also means you must beat the other 2 teams in the group to qualify for the SFs, who might be at away/neutral venue.. Score difference will be significant also between the 3 teams vying for second place.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 23, 2018, 10:23:58 AM
The monaghan squad looks stronger this year than it has in a number of years ever.
And that's no disrespect to the teams of the 80s.. ;)
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on May 23, 2018, 10:35:18 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 09:30:58 AM
If you win ulster you go into the same group as Dublin which is a good thing imo. You can afford to get beat by Dublin, win the other 2 games thus quality for semi and avoid Dublin again til the final.
So if you emerge from your 'super 4' group you will be in a semi-final with a team from the other super 4 group? That might be preferable but taking a beating from Dublin in your group may not be ideal, and it also means you must beat the other 2 teams in the group to qualify for the SFs, who might be at away/neutral venue.. Score difference will be significant also between the 3 teams vying for second place.
top of super group A plays second super group B
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 11:29:49 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on May 23, 2018, 10:35:18 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 09:30:58 AM
If you win ulster you go into the same group as Dublin which is a good thing imo. You can afford to get beat by Dublin, win the other 2 games thus quality for semi and avoid Dublin again til the final.
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So if you emerge from your 'super 4' group you will be in a semi-final with a team from the other super 4 group? That might be preferable but taking a beating from Dublin in your group may not be ideal, and it also means you must beat the other 2 teams in the group to qualify for the SFs, who might be at away/neutral venue.. Score difference will be significant also between the 3 teams vying for second place.
top of super group A plays second super group B
should be interesting to say the least.
Surely Tyrone supporters over the age of say 40 / 45 wouldn't have the same sense of entitlement as most of the lunatics in here?? a fruitful 6 years in a competition that has been running for 130 odd years.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 23, 2018, 12:36:46 PM
Surely Tyrone supporters over the age of say 40 / 45 wouldn't have the same sense of entitlement as most of the lunatics in here?? a fruitful 6 years in a competition that has been running for 130 odd years.
Better than a fruitful year.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 23, 2018, 12:36:46 PM
Surely Tyrone supporters over the age of say 40 / 45 wouldn't have the same sense of entitlement as most of the lunatics in here?? a fruitful 6 years in a competition that has been running for 130 odd years.
we had to spend a fair few of those 130 odd years fighting British rule/oppression when other counties couldn't be bothered or were too busy playing football.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 23, 2018, 10:02:16 AM
Darragh O'Se doesn't think the Monaghan panel is strong enough to come through the super 8's in his article today.
Just read it and while he makes some good points is it not the same for everyone else except Dublin and maybe Kerry. 4 of the super 8 teams will have come through at least one back door game so they'll already be on the back foot and vulnerable to injuries and suspensions. I think the 4 provincial winners will have a big advantage in their super 8s as the Connaught champions will have a 4 week break and the others will have 3 weeks off (assuming no replays). The backdoor qualifiers will have no break - e.g. if mayo or tyrone get that far they'll have played on 3 consecutive weeks and then will face the 3 super 8 games on the next 3 weeks. The happy path to the semi is to win your province. Do that and O'Se's argument is less relevant.
Quote from: sensethetone on May 23, 2018, 12:40:15 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 23, 2018, 12:36:46 PM
Surely Tyrone supporters over the age of say 40 / 45 wouldn't have the same sense of entitlement as most of the lunatics in here?? a fruitful 6 years in a competition that has been running for 130 odd years.
Better than a fruitful year.
Burned!
It's the CONNACHT Championship straight red and anyone else! ! >:(
Quote from: Rossfan on May 23, 2018, 03:55:20 PM
It's the CONNACHT Championship straight red and anyone else! ! >:(
Yeah definitely a Straight Red.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 23, 2018, 03:55:20 PM
It's the CONNACHT Championship straight red and anyone else! ! >:(
The spelling police are out :-\ Duly noted!
Quote from: straightred on May 23, 2018, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 23, 2018, 10:02:16 AM
Darragh O'Se doesn't think the Monaghan panel is strong enough to come through the super 8's in his article today.
Just read it and while he makes some good points is it not the same for everyone else except Dublin and maybe Kerry. 4 of the super 8 teams will have come through at least one back door game so they'll already be on the back foot and vulnerable to injuries and suspensions. I think the 4 provincial winners will have a big advantage in their super 8s as the Connaught champions will have a 4 week break and the others will have 3 weeks off (assuming no replays). The backdoor qualifiers will have no break - e.g. if mayo or tyrone get that far they'll have played on 3 consecutive weeks and then will face the 3 super 8 games on the next 3 weeks. The happy path to the semi is to win your province. Do that and O'Se's argument is less relevant.
Galway well stacked in the forward department if everyone is match fit but nowhere near that level of quality at the back.
You're right, its the teams that come through the back door who could really be in trouble, if Tyrone or Mayo get through to the super 8's they will have to play 5 weekends in a row. I don't know to what extent playing that many games will have on the older players will have either, I know Mayo always brought Boyle off after about 55 mins last year but didn't against Galway the last day and it was him who failed to track Heaney for the goal; That goal wouldn't have happened in the 1st half.
Think this could be where Tyrone's squad may help them negotiate the hectic schedule. Mayo's strongest area is defence but that same defence must have an average age of around 30. When Cavanagh and McCarron came off against Monaghan the oldest player left was Matty Donnelly at 27 (according to Malachy Clerkin). Himself and Petey Harte were minor in 2008 so must be close to hitting 28 now, though.
Furthermore, although we lack standout star players, we do have riches of players around the same level who could easily slot in week to week in order to keep things fresh.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 23, 2018, 10:02:16 AM
Darragh O'Se doesn't think the Monaghan panel is strong enough to come through the super 8's in his article today.
Darragh does not realise that we have not won the ulster title yet, he's thinking like a Kerryman, - once you have beaten Cork the provincial title follows.
Quote from: Main Street on May 24, 2018, 12:26:15 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 23, 2018, 10:02:16 AM
Darragh O'Se doesn't think the Monaghan panel is strong enough to come through the super 8's in his article today.
Darragh does not realise that we have not won the ulster title yet, he's thinking like a Kerryman, - once you have beaten Cork the provincial title follows.
Dhera
Watched it full and uninteruped last night, apart from those 6/7 lost minutes at the start of the 2nd half
Really impressed with Monaghan for me what won it for them was three key things
Rory Beggan's frees. Long range sniper outstanding kicking and kept Monaghan ticking over to thwart any momentum Tyrone were building. Within 50metres you cant foul Monaghan or you'll be punished that's some asset.
McManus star quality: Quiet for most of the game but just as it looking Tyrone had reeled the game in McManus came to the fore and blew the game out of the water
McCarron McAnespie: Both quality footballers and a threat any time they got it. Not sure why the former was subbed
There is a certain confidence in this side that I haven't seen from Monaghan sides in the past. They will have to be consistent
Tyrone should reach the super8s and it wont do any harm to have a run in the qualifiers. Tho it may attribute to fatigue in the super 8s. Colm C and McCann probably should not have started as they were fairly anonymous the back door will give them time to get back to pace. Peter Harte was anonymous too. sending of was very unlike him, probably frustrated. The starting FF line was reasonably impressive especially McAliskey of course. We'll see how it goes but, we need leaders in the absence of Colm.
I think Monaghan are very capable of reaching the final if they avoid the Jacks in the semis.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 24, 2018, 04:09:56 PM
Watched it full and uninteruped last night, apart from those 6/7 lost minutes at the start of the 2nd half
Really impressed with Monaghan for me what won it for them was three key things
Rory Beggan's frees. Long range sniper outstanding kicking and kept Monaghan ticking over to thwart any momentum Tyrone were building. Within 50metres you cant foul Monaghan or you'll be punished that's some asset.
McManus star quality: Quiet for most of the game but just as it looking Tyrone had reeled the game in McManus came to the fore and blew the game out of the water
McCarron McAnespie: Both quality footballers and a threat any time they got it. Not sure why the former was subbed
There is a certain confidence in this side that I haven't seen from Monaghan sides in the past. They will have to be consistent
Tyrone should reach the super8s and it wont do any harm to have a run in the qualifiers. Tho it may attribute to fatigue in the super 8s. Colm C and McCann probably should not have started as they were fairly anonymous the back door will give them time to get back to pace. Peter Harte was anonymous too. sending of was very unlike him, probably frustrated. The starting FF line was reasonably impressive especially McAliskey of course. We'll see how it goes but, we need leaders in the absence of Colm.
Did u notice how they pushed up on our kickouts , forced us to go long then 4/5 played would sprint to were the ball was kicked for the break ball. Same with them attacking down the wings. Porter is an excellent coach.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 24, 2018, 04:09:56 PM
Watched it full and uninteruped last night, apart from those 6/7 lost minutes at the start of the 2nd half
Really impressed with Monaghan for me what won it for them was three key things
Rory Beggan's frees. Long range sniper outstanding kicking and kept Monaghan ticking over to thwart any momentum Tyrone were building. Within 50metres you cant foul Monaghan or you'll be punished that's some asset.
McManus star quality: Quiet for most of the game but just as it looking Tyrone had reeled the game in McManus came to the fore and blew the game out of the water
McCarron McAnespie: Both quality footballers and a threat any time they got it. Not sure why the former was subbed
There is a certain confidence in this side that I haven't seen from Monaghan sides in the past. They will have to be consistent
Tyrone should reach the super8s and it wont do any harm to have a run in the qualifiers. Tho it may attribute to fatigue in the super 8s. Colm C and McCann probably should not have started as they were fairly anonymous the back door will give them time to get back to pace. Peter Harte was anonymous too. sending of was very unlike him, probably frustrated. The starting FF line was reasonably impressive especially McAliskey of course. We'll see how it goes but, we need leaders in the absence of Colm.
and I'd say Monaghan were a lot cuter in possession than in previous championship games, where once inside the Tyrone half the venture would invariably end up getting ambushed and dispossessed. I checked with BBC NI player and I only see the Fermanagh Armagh game there, did you record the game?
Quote from: redzone on May 24, 2018, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 24, 2018, 04:09:56 PM
Watched it full and uninteruped last night, apart from those 6/7 lost minutes at the start of the 2nd half
Really impressed with Monaghan for me what won it for them was three key things
Rory Beggan's frees. Long range sniper outstanding kicking and kept Monaghan ticking over to thwart any momentum Tyrone were building. Within 50metres you cant foul Monaghan or you'll be punished that's some asset.
McManus star quality: Quiet for most of the game but just as it looking Tyrone had reeled the game in McManus came to the fore and blew the game out of the water
McCarron McAnespie: Both quality footballers and a threat any time they got it. Not sure why the former was subbed
There is a certain confidence in this side that I haven't seen from Monaghan sides in the past. They will have to be consistent
Tyrone should reach the super8s and it wont do any harm to have a run in the qualifiers. Tho it may attribute to fatigue in the super 8s. Colm C and McCann probably should not have started as they were fairly anonymous the back door will give them time to get back to pace. Peter Harte was anonymous too. sending of was very unlike him, probably frustrated. The starting FF line was reasonably impressive especially McAliskey of course. We'll see how it goes but, we need leaders in the absence of Colm.
Did u notice how they pushed up on our kickouts , forced us to go long then 4/5 played would sprint to were the ball was kicked for the break ball. Same with them attacking down the wings. Porter is an excellent coach.
Its sorta hard to pick up on those things from TV but it makes sense the midfield seemed to be isolated and the next thing there would be the Monaghan calvary arriving to pick up the break. Good tactics
Quote from: Main Street on May 25, 2018, 01:04:21 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 24, 2018, 04:09:56 PM
Watched it full and uninteruped last night, apart from those 6/7 lost minutes at the start of the 2nd half
Really impressed with Monaghan for me what won it for them was three key things
Rory Beggan's frees. Long range sniper outstanding kicking and kept Monaghan ticking over to thwart any momentum Tyrone were building. Within 50metres you cant foul Monaghan or you'll be punished that's some asset.
McManus star quality: Quiet for most of the game but just as it looking Tyrone had reeled the game in McManus came to the fore and blew the game out of the water
McCarron McAnespie: Both quality footballers and a threat any time they got it. Not sure why the former was subbed
There is a certain confidence in this side that I haven't seen from Monaghan sides in the past. They will have to be consistent
Tyrone should reach the super8s and it wont do any harm to have a run in the qualifiers. Tho it may attribute to fatigue in the super 8s. Colm C and McCann probably should not have started as they were fairly anonymous the back door will give them time to get back to pace. Peter Harte was anonymous too. sending of was very unlike him, probably frustrated. The starting FF line was reasonably impressive especially McAliskey of course. We'll see how it goes but, we need leaders in the absence of Colm.
and I'd say Monaghan were a lot cuter in possession than in previous championship games, where once inside the Tyrone half the venture would invariably end up getting ambushed and dispossessed. I checked with BBC NI player and I only see the Fermanagh Armagh game there, did you record the game?
They still did that tho a fair few times but there's no doubt they were a lot more patient, very comfortable on the ball.
Not as much of the bravado nonsense they be usually at, (a Banty hangover I reckon) but there is marked increase in the general quality of the player so when you have the ability, you have more confidence in your ability and don't feel the need for bravado.
Dare I say it... but if Monaghan can be consistent and the squad proves to be resilient enough thru the super 8s there is every chance you could reach the promised land.... an AI semi final ;)
I saw it on GAAGO.
Whats goin on with your sensible post? account hack?
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 25, 2018, 06:56:17 AM
Quote from: Main Street on May 25, 2018, 01:04:21 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 24, 2018, 04:09:56 PM
Watched it full and uninteruped last night, apart from those 6/7 lost minutes at the start of the 2nd half
Really impressed with Monaghan for me what won it for them was three key things
Rory Beggan's frees. Long range sniper outstanding kicking and kept Monaghan ticking over to thwart any momentum Tyrone were building. Within 50metres you cant foul Monaghan or you'll be punished that's some asset.
McManus star quality: Quiet for most of the game but just as it looking Tyrone had reeled the game in McManus came to the fore and blew the game out of the water
McCarron McAnespie: Both quality footballers and a threat any time they got it. Not sure why the former was subbed
There is a certain confidence in this side that I haven't seen from Monaghan sides in the past. They will have to be consistent
Tyrone should reach the super8s and it wont do any harm to have a run in the qualifiers. Tho it may attribute to fatigue in the super 8s. Colm C and McCann probably should not have started as they were fairly anonymous the back door will give them time to get back to pace. Peter Harte was anonymous too. sending of was very unlike him, probably frustrated. The starting FF line was reasonably impressive especially McAliskey of course. We'll see how it goes but, we need leaders in the absence of Colm.
and I'd say Monaghan were a lot cuter in possession than in previous championship games, where once inside the Tyrone half the venture would invariably end up getting ambushed and dispossessed. I checked with BBC NI player and I only see the Fermanagh Armagh game there, did you record the game?
They still did that tho a fair few times but there's no doubt they were a lot more patient, very comfortable on the ball.
Not as much of the bravado nonsense they be usually at, (a Banty hangover I reckon) but there is marked increase in the general quality of the player so when you have the ability, you have more confidence in your ability and don't feel the need for bravado.
Dare I say it... but if Monaghan can be consistent and the squad proves to be resilient enough thru the super 8s there is every chance you could reach the promised land.... an AI semi final ;)
I saw it on GAAGO.
Whats goin on with your sensible post? account hack?
You mean when I predicted an easy Monaghan win? and post match that I wouldn't be getting too excited by this win because that was a dysfunctional rudderless Tyrone team. Happy enough, but not counting last 8 chickens yet.
Quote from: Main Street on May 25, 2018, 09:33:04 PM
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You mean when I predicted an easy Monaghan win? and post match that I wouldn't be getting too excited by this win because that was a dysfunctional rudderless Tyrone team. Happy enough, but not counting last 8 chickens yet.
OMG
Main Street betraying an oul bit of good oul fashioned Ulster humility there, what are are we about at all!