The Many Faces of US Politics...

[screenexile]

The f**king pillow guy!

Thank god this shit ends in a few days.

[Eamonnca1]

So it spread because nobody give a shite? Or the 'lockdown' wasn't actually a lockdown, a bit like the Norhh?

California may be a solid blue state, but unfortunately it's infested with just enough conservatives to spread their virus. hance most of the damage has been done in southern California where most of the conservatives live.

[Gmac]

So it spread because nobody give a shite? Or the 'lockdown' wasn't actually a lockdown, a bit like the Norhh?

California may be a solid blue state, but unfortunately it's infested with just enough conservatives to spread their virus. hance most of the damage has been done in southern California where most of the conservatives live.

lots of Latinos must be conservative so

[Eamonnca1]

Would she not consider giving the guy some time to do something impeachable first?

She's QAnon.

He's already been tried and convicted in their minds of being part of the deep state child molestation and consumption ring, or whatever the f**k it is they believe in.

I'm surprised they even let her into the building. She's a security risk. A gun nut that has threatened other members of congress and refuses to go through the metal detector.

[omochain]

Here's an interesting take on where we are in the United States from a Belfast Boy
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/534347-belfasts-troubles-echo-in-todays-washington

[HiMucker]

So it spread because nobody give a shite? Or the 'lockdown' wasn't actually a lockdown, a bit like the Norhh?

California may be a solid blue state, but unfortunately it's infested with just enough conservatives to spread their virus. hance most of the damage has been done in southern California where most of the conservatives live.

Eamon that has to be a seriously unfair statement. Like everywhere else people do things to suit themselves, and justify breaking the rules. Republican democrat, FF, FG, SF, Unionist, nationalist black white etc etc, it doesn't matter, people are people  and justify it to themselves.

[Eire90]

The f**king pillow guy!

Thank god this shit ends in a few days.

This does not end trump cultists wont go quietly

[seafoid]

https://morgancountyusa.org/?p=4965

"The Democratic Party has a particular anger towards the real left, because the real left calls them out for who they are."

"We are just not examining what is happening within the country and why this rage is there. And it is a legitimate rage. It may be expressed in vulgar and horrible ways, but the rage is legitimate."  

"And if we don't go back and rebuild those social bonds – and that is not in the vocabulary of the ruling elite, nor is it in the vocabulary of the press, which has essentially stopped doing it's job — we are finished."

"The white working class was legitimately betrayed. There is real anger toward the media outlets that rendered them invisible and never told their story and when they speak about them, they demean them and insult them."

"We have a political establishment that essentially wrote them off and assign them to immense misery. The chattering class of the self-identified liberal elites on each coast who largely profited from neoliberalism has no real understanding of the suffering that has taken place in these post-industrial towns. And that suffering is real and awful. You go to town after town with boarded up churches, closed supermarkets, people have retreated into the opioid epidemic, these self-destructive pathologies which you always see with societal breakdown."

"Biden has always served corporate interests, going back to when he was Senator Credit Card in Delaware." 

"In Biden's cabinet, you will have a certain number of women, a certain number of – that's just colonialism. I worked in the Congo. Finally when the Belgians and the French couldn't put white faces up there, they put up Mobutu, and they killed Patrice Lumumba, who actually stood for social justice." 

"It's just another species of corporate colonialism, which Biden is going to do. So there will be more women and more people of color, but they will serve the machine. And if they don't serve the machine, they are out."

"As Richard Rorty says correctly – there is a wholesale revulsion toward these self-identified liberals, but more dangerously to the liberal democratic values that they supposedly promote. And that is what feeds these proto-fascist movements, which we saw last week." 

"We should have walked out on the Democratic Party in 1994 after NAFTA and stood by the working class. And they know it. Much of my family comes out of that lower working class in Maine. And I have seen their communities and lives – where my grandparents house was in Maine, the bank is boarded up, there was a Methodist church that caught on fire and burned, the town doesn't have enough money to raze it, so it's charred embers. There are methamphetamine labs all over the place. That is what the Democratic Party and the self-identified liberal class has done. And that is why they hate (liberals)." 

"I totally get that hatred. They continue to speak out of both sides of their mouth. They continue to speak that traditional feel your pain language of liberalism while putting the knife in the back of these people. So the hatred for the Democratic Party is far fiercer because there was a time when organized labor mattered. It doesn't matter anymore."

[RedHand88]

That's a fantastic article seafoid and illustrates the plight of Mid West suburban America. Those people haven't a pot to piss in and they still get lectured by celebrities on TV about how privileged they are.

Enough of those people have come back to the Democratic party because of how terrible a President Trump was, and that nothing really changed for them since 2016.

[sid waddell]

"The white working class was legitimately betrayed.

But how did they suffer due to their whiteness?

The answer is: they didn't

And if so, why does the author mention whiteness?

[sid waddell]

There are two major fault lines in US politics - i) race and ii) class

There is a small section of the "left" - the non-constructive, preening, dirtbag "left" - epitomised by people like Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald, Katie Halper and Krystal Ball, who reject race as an issue, in fact the central "issue" that defines them is thinly veiled sympathising with Russia - an arch crony capitalist dictatorship - it's a bizarre issue to congregate around, and you'd have to question why this, of all "issues", is something that unites them

And I would argue that means they are not on the left at all - and are in fact willing agents of the far right - they are disruptors and chaos agents

Bernie Sanders staffer Simone Norman memorably satirised the dirtbag left a couple of years ago: https://twitter.com/whysimonewhy/status/1143280089133699072

Anybody with two brain cells to rub together can see that the US needs European style socialism/social democracy, call it whatever you want to call it - it needs Scandinavia for America

The people who need this the most are the poor and working class

But the dirtbag left - which is an overwhelmingly white, upper class thing, is much more interested in attacking Black Lives Matter and associated politics

In a non-quoted passage from the article above, it is even denied that race is a political issue - like, what the absolute f**k?

The article above talks about "rebuilding those social bonds"

But if you're black and poor or working class, there have never been real social bonds between you and whites and the institutions which represent white supremacist America

The dirtbag left rejects this premise and thus rejects history - it is essentially another branch of white supremacist, right-wing wing racist ideology

Some of the people who would most benefit from Scandinavian style politics in the US are white and they are working class and they are poor

And many of these same people are the same people who are most hostile to such politics, they call it "communism"

Why? Propaganda - right-wing talk radio, Murdoch media, the mountain of industrial strength right-wing conspiracy bullshit

Such propaganda is something the dirtbag left is silent about - in fact it is an enabler of it and a defender of it - Glenn Greenwald - who is referenced in a non-quoted passage of the above article, is a regular on Fox News who parrots white supremacist Tucker Carlson

The dirtbag left originally championed AOC, but now they have abandoned AOC, because AOC, along with people like Katie Porter, is intent on working constructively to progressively move the Overton window left - she is playing a long, strategic game, like Stacey Abrams did in Georgia

A lot of them abandoned Bernie Sanders because he was too constructive

Building a broad based coalition over many years is the only way you can win in US politics

But the dirtbag left have no truck at all with this

[seafoid]

"The white working class was legitimately betrayed.

But how did they suffer due to their whiteness?

The answer is: they didn't

And if so, why does the author mention whiteness?

They were shafted because of their class.
Black working class  people got the same treatment.

Now it is the turn of the middle classes to get shafted.
It will be interesting to see the reaction when the pensions disappear.

[sid waddell]

"The white working class was legitimately betrayed.

But how did they suffer due to their whiteness?

The answer is: they didn't

And if so, why does the author mention whiteness?

They were shafted because of their class.
Black working class  people got the same treatment.

Now it is the turn of the middle classes to get shafted.
It will be interesting to see the reaction when the pensions disappear.

So why does the speaker reference whiteness, when nobody suffers from disadvantage or unfair treatment in America because of their whiteness

White people face disadvantage because of their class - not their colour

People of colour face disadvantage because of both their class and their colour

The real left sees this, the dirtbag left does not - what the dirtbag left essentially holds is that colour should not be mentioned as a point of disadvantage - it is trapped in a bubble of right-wing political correctness where mass racism is not called out

Much of the white working class votes for politics that upholds both the interests of the very richest and the white supremacists

This is because of propaganda - but the dirtbag left, like Greenwald, are mates with Tucker Carlson

This is Le Penism, the spelling of which is appropriate enough

[Main Street]

"The white working class was legitimately betrayed.

But how did they suffer due to their whiteness?

The answer is: they didn't

And if so, why does the author mention whiteness?

They were shafted because of their class.
Black working class  people got the same treatment.

Now it is the turn of the middle classes to get shafted.
It will be interesting to see the reaction when the pensions disappear.

That article was specifically about he loss in income of the white working class.  The poor white myth, research shows that they're no worse off today than then when the Dems left them in the lurch. They moved on got different jobs but were displaced due to the rise in  status of people who did not look like them. The little advantage they had, the feeling of (white)  superiority  was displaced and resentment set in. That's where Trump comes in,  blame someone else, the Chinese the Mexicans the Moslem, the elite, and fake news that won't tell you that,  but don't take self responsibility. That's why they tolerate Trump's racism and xenophobia because they have the resentment somewhere of their sense of (false superiority) being displaced. Same in NI.

Regardless,  many in that  mob who forcibly occupied Congress were a far cry away from the 'not a pot to piss in' element.

[Rossfan]

Is it tomorrow the US rejoins the (relatively) sane World?