Standard of Refs

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Milltown Row2

Quote from: Gael85 on April 21, 2024, 11:33:41 PMhttps://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41379304.html

Ah the aul hindsight and replays, multiple angles and so on, people hate VAR in the PL but call for it here!

Galvin needs to throw stuff out there otherwise he'll be not getting a wee earner
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

johnnycool

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 12:07:59 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on April 21, 2024, 11:33:41 PMhttps://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41379304.html

Ah the aul hindsight and replays, multiple angles and so on, people hate VAR in the PL but call for it here!

Gavin needs to throw stuff out there otherwise he'll be not getting a wee earner

Correct on that point.

Both "square balls" in the Clare v Limerick game are really hard for umpires to call in real time, especially the second one as no doubt the umpire on the far post had his eyes on Hegarty coming in that side so when his shot hits off the post and pops up for Gillane, he's just turned his point of focus toward Gillane who's there in the square, but so is the ball.

First one, fullback needs to take a bit of the blame, rule no 1 of fullback play is that absolutely no one gets near that high ball dropping down, Cleary really should have been driving Gillane away from it, making sure he doesn't even get a chance to flick the hurl at it. Too weak for my liking there.
There's no way Brian Lohan lets Gillane get a touch on that in his day.

Clare will be kicking themselves as the other Limerick goal was very saveable, the lad didn't connect at all well with it and it bounced twice before hitting the net.


Milltown Row2

Quote from: johnnycool on April 22, 2024, 09:22:22 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 12:07:59 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on April 21, 2024, 11:33:41 PMhttps://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41379304.html

Ah the aul hindsight and replays, multiple angles and so on, people hate VAR in the PL but call for it here!

Gavin needs to throw stuff out there otherwise he'll be not getting a wee earner

Correct on that point.

Both "square balls" in the Clare v Limerick game are really hard for umpires to call in real time, especially the second one as no doubt the umpire on the far post had his eyes on Hegarty coming in that side so when his shot hits off the post and pops up for Gillane, he's just turned his point of focus toward Gillane who's there in the square, but so is the ball.

First one, fullback needs to take a bit of the blame, rule no 1 of fullback play is that absolutely no one gets near that high ball dropping down, Cleary really should have been driving Gillane away from it, making sure he doesn't even get a chance to flick the hurl at it. Too weak for my liking there.
There's no way Brian Lohan lets Gillane get a touch on that in his day.

Clare will be kicking themselves as the other Limerick goal was very saveable, the lad didn't connect at all well with it and it bounced twice before hitting the net.



Personally I believe (though not in the rules) that the ref walks down very slowly towards his umpires, while maintaining contact with the fourth official who's at a desk on the sidelines, the ref is asking him to view it on a monitor that should be available for him, by the time he gets to chat with the umpires the fourth official will have had a better idea of a goal or square ball.
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

HokeyPokey

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 12:07:59 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on April 21, 2024, 11:33:41 PMhttps://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41379304.html

Ah the aul hindsight and replays, multiple angles and so on, people hate VAR in the PL but call for it here!

Galvin needs to throw stuff out there otherwise he'll be not getting a wee earner

The PL have made a hames of VAR though. The standard of reffing in the PL is just generally abysmal considering the standard of the players. The same refs are in charge of VAR so it's a reflection of that. They could easily automate things like the ball going out of play and semi automated offsides. They have made some absolutely terrible mistakes. There's continually changes to the way they ref, some of which is announced, sometimes it's not. So something can be deemed a penalty, one week and then not be a penalty the following week.

It generally works grand for rugby and also for international soccer tournaments as far as I can see.

NAG1

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Quote from: HokeyPokey on April 22, 2024, 07:21:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 12:07:59 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on April 21, 2024, 11:33:41 PMhttps://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41379304.html

Ah the aul hindsight and replays, multiple angles and so on, people hate VAR in the PL but call for it here!

Galvin needs to throw stuff out there otherwise he'll be not getting a wee earner

The PL have made a hames of VAR though. The standard of reffing in the PL is just generally abysmal considering the standard of the players. The same refs are in charge of VAR so it's a reflection of that. They could easily automate things like the ball going out of play and semi automated offsides. They have made some absolutely terrible mistakes. There's continually changes to the way they ref, some of which is announced, sometimes it's not. So something can be deemed a penalty, one week and then not be a penalty the following week.

It generally works grand for rugby and also for international soccer tournaments as far as I can see.

That's because they have tried to implement a system which is looking at something which is ultimately opinion and interpretation based. It is not black and white and 3 different people in the VAR room watching the same footage could make three different calls on it, so it was never going to be the silver bullet for refs.
If anything I think it is had made their life more difficult instead of less.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: NAG1 on April 23, 2024, 01:47:19 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on April 22, 2024, 07:21:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 12:07:59 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on April 21, 2024, 11:33:41 PMhttps://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41379304.html

Ah the aul hindsight and replays, multiple angles and so on, people hate VAR in the PL but call for it here!

Galvin needs to throw stuff out there otherwise he'll be not getting a wee earner

The PL have made a hames of VAR though. The standard of reffing in the PL is just generally abysmal considering the standard of the players. The same refs are in charge of VAR so it's a reflection of that. They could easily automate things like the ball going out of play and semi automated offsides. They have made some absolutely terrible mistakes. There's continually changes to the way they ref, some of which is announced, sometimes it's not. So something can be deemed a penalty, one week and then not be a penalty the following week.

It generally works grand for rugby and also for international soccer tournaments as far as I can see.

That's because they have tried to implement a system which is looking at which is ultimately opinion and interpretation based. It is not black and white and 3 different people in the VAR room watching the same footage could make three different calls on it, so it was never going to be the silver bullet for refs.
If anything I think it is had made their life more difficult instead of less.

And the same thing will apply when they have two refs on the pitch at Intercounty level.. Said it many times, one mistake is better than 2 mistakes  ;)
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

johnnycool


HokeyPokey

Quote from: NAG1 on April 23, 2024, 01:47:19 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on April 22, 2024, 07:21:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 22, 2024, 12:07:59 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on April 21, 2024, 11:33:41 PMhttps://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41379304.html

Ah the aul hindsight and replays, multiple angles and so on, people hate VAR in the PL but call for it here!

Galvin needs to throw stuff out there otherwise he'll be not getting a wee earner

The PL have made a hames of VAR though. The standard of reffing in the PL is just generally abysmal considering the standard of the players. The same refs are in charge of VAR so it's a reflection of that. They could easily automate things like the ball going out of play and semi automated offsides. They have made some absolutely terrible mistakes. There's continually changes to the way they ref, some of which is announced, sometimes it's not. So something can be deemed a penalty, one week and then not be a penalty the following week.

It generally works grand for rugby and also for international soccer tournaments as far as I can see.

That's because they have tried to implement a system which is looking at something which is ultimately opinion and interpretation based. It is not black and white and 3 different people in the VAR room watching the same footage could make three different calls on it, so it was never going to be the silver bullet for refs.
If anything I think it is had made their life more difficult instead of less.

Yes, it is subjective, but they have made numerous mistakes which were objectively wrong. How it has been implemented has been terrible. There's been numerous incidents of them forgetting to draw the lines or not communicating leading to a goal being wrongly allowed/disallowed or not being able to tell if a ball went out of play. Changing the interpretation and thresholds of contact etc. throughout the season does not help inspire confidence or consistency. When you do hear from the PL referees or former referees they don't inspire confidence either. 

VAR works much better in other tournaments in soccer and is much better. It's almost never an issue with rugby. Having clearer defined rules and better processes is possible. It's possible to speed things up by having semi automated offsides and inform the ref when the ball goes out etc.