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GAA Discussion / Re: Concerned Gaels
« on: Today at 02:51:19 PM »
While those who chose B are living in a fantasy land. Sport always has been and always will be political to some degree, but when it becomes as much or more about humanitarianism as bout politics, then people have a right, or a responsibility to speak up at every available opportunity. It was sporting boycotts (amongst other boycotts) which contributed hugely to the ending of apartheid in South Africa. Here is an opportunity to once again be on the right side of history, instead of hiding behind 'keep the politics out of it' bull.

No one is stopping you speaking out. No one is stopping you organizing a boycott of Israeli products or sporting events. Knock yourself out.

Well the GardaŪ were confiscating Palestine flags in Navan, so....

Have you any evidence of that whatsoever?

Pretty sure thereís a video of the gardai taking the Palestine flag off the guy

He was asked to take it down as it was obstructing people trying to view the game. Was it subsequently held onto?

Thatís the reason they gave. Regardless of wether it was held onto or not, it was confiscated

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GAA Discussion / Re: Concerned Gaels
« on: Today at 02:39:26 PM »
While those who chose B are living in a fantasy land. Sport always has been and always will be political to some degree, but when it becomes as much or more about humanitarianism as bout politics, then people have a right, or a responsibility to speak up at every available opportunity. It was sporting boycotts (amongst other boycotts) which contributed hugely to the ending of apartheid in South Africa. Here is an opportunity to once again be on the right side of history, instead of hiding behind 'keep the politics out of it' bull.

No one is stopping you speaking out. No one is stopping you organizing a boycott of Israeli products or sporting events. Knock yourself out.

Well the GardaŪ were confiscating Palestine flags in Navan, so....

Have you any evidence of that whatsoever?

Pretty sure thereís a video of the gardai taking the Palestine flag off the guy

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GAA Discussion / Re: Concerned Gaels
« on: Today at 11:51:27 AM »
Keep up the good work John. Never mind the begrudgers, some of whom post on this thread

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GAA Discussion / Re: Sligo v Armagh 23/06/2018
« on: Today at 11:49:18 AM »
Still want to be there

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
« on: Today at 11:48:16 AM »
So 7 of the suspensions have been overturned? Really? So only 3 Armagh players have been deemed to do anything wrong? What charges were levelled against the other 7 oringinally? How have they got off? Clarity is needed here because the next time a game descends into a full scale brawl we need to know what we can't and can do?? I need to tell my underage lads what the dos and don'ts are as they wade into a field fight. The GAA disciplinary system is a complete joke. How many more of these embarrassing appeals needs to happen before the GAA have the balls to re-write the fecking rule book and close loopholes and implement huge extensions to bans for unsuccessful appeals?

I agree with a lot of this but canít say the appeals were embarrassing without knowing anything about them. Who was suspended, why and what grounds the appeals were based on.

I meant embarrassing for the GAA as once again the disciplinary procedures are shown up to be flimsy in a high profile case. Itís not embarrassing for Armagh, they did what they had to do and it paid off.

+1

Typical clowns at Ulster Council level who should know the rules and the evidence required before a suspension can be implemented.  They just did a blanket ban on everyone who could be seen in the melee using the team sheets knowing that appeals would be instigated and the next level would have to sort it out, pushing it off their agenda.

Those on the disciplinary committee who proposed the suspensions have brought the system into disrepute. They should have taken the time to identify air-tight suspensions and issued a statement condemning the behaviour and highlighting for the authorities the need to have proper sanctions for a melee of this scale.

Rules should be available to sanctions all in charge of under age squads for failing to maintain discipline when a melee erupts, managers and coaches should take the brunt and county boards should be hit with serious fines. Players should be disciplined if correctly identified but this is very difficult in something that erupts quickly and lasts less than a couple of minutes.  Both teams should be sanctioned by being ejected from the competition.

There is no excuse for behaviour as seen at the semi final, even if the opposition is Tyrone and they are up to their usual tactics off the ball.  ;)

Ulster Council should have had the courage to eject both team, declare Derry the winners and who is really concerned that the is no game before 12pm on Ulster Final day, very few would be there to see it anyway.

A severe lack of courage is all around when it comes to dealing with matters like this by Ulster Council and this incident highlights them all.

Throwing both teams out only punishes one team unless the ban carries over. In which case that could punish players who had nothing to do with it and cost them their only involvement in a county set up.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
« on: Today at 11:42:42 AM »
So 7 of the suspensions have been overturned? Really? So only 3 Armagh players have been deemed to do anything wrong? What charges were levelled against the other 7 oringinally? How have they got off? Clarity is needed here because the next time a game descends into a full scale brawl we need to know what we can't and can do?? I need to tell my underage lads what the dos and don'ts are as they wade into a field fight. The GAA disciplinary system is a complete joke. How many more of these embarrassing appeals needs to happen before the GAA have the balls to re-write the fecking rule book and close loopholes and implement huge extensions to bans for unsuccessful appeals?

I agree with a lot of this but canít say the appeals were embarrassing without knowing anything about them. Who was suspended, why and what grounds the appeals were based on.

I meant embarrassing for the GAA as once again the disciplinary procedures are shown up to be flimsy in a high profile case. Itís not embarrassing for Armagh, they did what they had to do and it paid off.

Ah right, I get ye. Yes, I agree with that also

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
« on: Today at 09:13:57 AM »
So 7 of the suspensions have been overturned? Really? So only 3 Armagh players have been deemed to do anything wrong? What charges were levelled against the other 7 oringinally? How have they got off? Clarity is needed here because the next time a game descends into a full scale brawl we need to know what we can't and can do?? I need to tell my underage lads what the dos and don'ts are as they wade into a field fight. The GAA disciplinary system is a complete joke. How many more of these embarrassing appeals needs to happen before the GAA have the balls to re-write the fecking rule book and close loopholes and implement huge extensions to bans for unsuccessful appeals?

I agree with a lot of this but canít say the appeals were embarrassing without knowing anything about them. Who was suspended, why and what grounds the appeals were based on.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
« on: June 22, 2018, 11:08:40 PM »
Sorry red cards overturned!!
7 appeals overturned, now thatís a surprise!!


Red cards overturned or their appeals overturned?

There wasnít 7 red cards

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
« on: June 21, 2018, 10:17:48 PM »
McDonnell wasn't even aware that Tyrone had 7 suspensions  arising from the melee.

Their suspensions havenít really been talked about much to be fair

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
« on: June 21, 2018, 06:08:24 PM »
Anyone listen to GAA Hour? - Stevie McDonnell making a mouth of himself and doing nothing for his media career using orange tinted glasses.

What's he saying?

Ten suspensions too many.

GAA is not allowing people to say who the suspensions are.

He wasn't there but he heard Tyrone started it.  ::)

He doesn't even know who the captain of the Armagh is but hes an expert on everything else.

Armagh are guinea pigs and suspensions wouldn't happen if it was seniors (bullshit)

Only good thing was that at least Wooly wasn't buying it and said it was a disgrace what the subs where at and that if it was a senior match it would have been treated the same.

McDonnell was right. No way this would have happened if it was a senior game. Woolly made a tit of himself. Said the suspensions were deserved but didnít know who was suspended or what for

You could also flip that and say sure neither does McDonnell who wasn't at the game either!

I do believe they would have did this had it been a senior Ulster championship game - If it was the Mickey Harte and the Tyrone lads that cleared the bench and did what they did I wouldn't be complaining about the suspensions.

I doubt very much they would have.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
« on: June 21, 2018, 04:46:52 PM »
Anyone listen to GAA Hour? - Stevie McDonnell making a mouth of himself and doing nothing for his media career using orange tinted glasses.

What's he saying?

Ten suspensions too many.

GAA is not allowing people to say who the suspensions are.

He wasn't there but he heard Tyrone started it.  ::)

He doesn't even know who the captain of the Armagh is but hes an expert on everything else.

Armagh are guinea pigs and suspensions wouldn't happen if it was seniors (bullshit)

Only good thing was that at least Wooly wasn't buying it and said it was a disgrace what the subs where at and that if it was a senior match it would have been treated the same.

McDonnell was right. No way this would have happened if it was a senior game. Woolly made a tit of himself. Said the suspensions were deserved but didnít know who was suspended or what for

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GAA Discussion / Re: Concerned Gaels
« on: June 20, 2018, 04:30:26 PM »
If you flew a Palestine flag inside a premier league ground would you be asked to leave?
(Honest question, I dont know the answer).

It would be confiscated. Not sure if you'd be asked to leave, I don't think so, but you'd be closely watched.

Iím not sure it would. Although a different league there are always Palestine flags at Celtic park and why donít eat confiscated

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GAA Discussion / Re: Concerned Gaels
« on: June 20, 2018, 04:28:20 PM »
There are indubitably some GAA people out there who support the Israeli stance on Palestine, should they also be allowed to use the Association as a vehicle to show that support?

If they want to wave an Israeli flag let them. I donít see how waving a Palestine flag at a match is a form of protest though

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Tyrone U20
« on: June 19, 2018, 04:34:02 PM »
So Armagh are appealing all 10 suspensions. Ffs, the GAA disciplinary procedures are utterly useless. Does the Armagh Co Board really believe that not one Armagh player deserves a suspension? Like I said before, a newly rewritten rule book is needed so loopholes are eliminated and decisions are more water tight. Iíd double suspensions if appeals are unsuccessful.

No doubt those posters falling over themselves to condemn Tyroneís appeal last week will be doing the same again here??

Are we really appealing all ten? Thatís a joke.

why is appealing all ten a joke.
I take it you have never been involved in the legal process  ;)
its always the case you appeal all in the expectation of being successful in a few.

No. Never have. Never appealed any of my sendings off either

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