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General discussion / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: February 16, 2018, 01:21:25 PM »
Another disgrace in boxing with Burnett being stripped of his IBF title.

what was the reason?

Joke. He is defending his WBA belt v the mandatory. IBF wanted him to fight their mandatory.


General discussion / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: February 16, 2018, 12:29:15 PM »
Another disgrace in boxing with Burnett being stripped of his IBF title.

what was the reason?

General discussion / Re: America`s Gun Culture
« on: February 16, 2018, 12:04:05 PM »
The neighbouring states don't have the same strict laws and the guns flood into Chicago. Highlights the need for federal action, rather than state laws (though realistically it is at state level where the most progress can be made).

makes sense

General discussion / Re: America`s Gun Culture
« on: February 16, 2018, 10:42:13 AM »
Its a country that loves their guns so a ban on all guns isn't going to happen anytime soon no matter the amount of school/mass shootings. The simple solution is tighter gun control in every state = less deaths.

I agree with this but doesn't Chicago have both the strictest laws on gun control and the highest number of shooting deaths?

General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: February 16, 2018, 10:38:12 AM »
Agger was fantastic

General discussion / Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« on: February 16, 2018, 09:51:43 AM »
not sure one goal will be enough. Deserved to win by more but will take that

General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: February 16, 2018, 09:33:33 AM »
Tony has form in condemning the victims and their parents whereas he hasn't been as vociferous in his condemnation of the Church. Brainwashed.

Not brainwashed but curious.Young primary kids being terrified yes,but a guy at grammar school well into his teens going out of his way to take phone calls from his abuser (and money of course) every Saturday and then allowing him to resume his nefarious activities on his return stretches credulity.

When I was at grammar school a lot of the teachers were ridiculed by the lads,including priests,there was a couple of science teachers,disciplinarians,that you wouldn't have messed with, but lads generally would have stood up for themselves and not allowed anyone to manipulate them

My understanding from the media is that the victim whom T Fearon is attacking was not abused within St Colman's college but was an altar boy in Hilltown at the age of 10 when the abuse began by Finnegan as the local priest after he had been moved from St Colman's College by Bishop Brookes. 

Therefore, this attack on the victim, as posted above, by T Fearon has no relevance to the type of poor attitude of the 'College Boys' in Armagh toward their teachers as described by T Fearon that was well known at the time he went to that school.

Ffs how many times where we told that things would ruin our lives but went on regardless.I just don't understand nor accept the alleged power these monsters masquerading as priests had,nor frankly do I believe it.The only people I feared growing up was my parents,mainly due to the fact that I knew if I stepped out of line a hiding would be forthcoming

From Irish News:

A MAN who was sexually abused by a priest as a child said the cleric warned it would "ruin" his life if he spoke out. Sean Faloon from Hilltown was a 10-year-old altar boy when he was first abused by Fr Malachy Finnegan.

Fr Finnegan, who died in 2002, also abused boys at St Colman's College in Newry. He taught at the school from 1973 to 1976 and was school president between 1976 and 1987. The first of 12 abuse allegations was reported to the Diocese of Dromore in 1994. The diocese has settled a claim with one of the victims.

Mr Faloon told the BBC that Fr Finnegan abused him for eight years from 1989. He said Fr Finnegan, who was never prosecuted for sexual abuse, began hugging him after Mass. "Then, at a later date that became kissing and it progressed from there over the next year or so to full sexual contact," he said. Mr Faloon said Fr Finnegan would call at his house after Mass and tell his parents he needed help to "lift boxes from the wardrobe".

"He told me if I ever came out about what was going on, or told anybody, it would ruin me for the rest of my life," he said.

The abuse against Mr Faloon came to light when, at the age of 17, he told his GP. Mr Faloon's family and police were later informed. He told the BBC he never made a formal complaint against Fr Finnegan because he felt he was "too young to deal with the hassle"."I wanted to deal with normal 17-year-old life," he said.

you don't understand because, presumably, you've never been in that situation. Neither have I. I don't understand it either and don't want to, but it doesnt in any way shape or form make what happened any less vile - the abuse and the cover up

General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 15, 2018, 04:39:14 PM »
She said she 100% saw sex. She didn't walk up and specifically ensure and make note of his penis penetrating her vagina.
I would say that if her comments re 100% seeing sex are accepted then her comments re not seeing distress or no consent must be accepted.

why? One is fact, one is opinion???

GAA Discussion / Re: Laochra Gael
« on: February 15, 2018, 02:38:30 PM »
Who is Aisling Thompson, I've never heard of her.

Cork camogie player, fairly tough stages in her life, couple of All Irelands. A very interesting story no doubt.

Has there been a Laochra Gael on Angela or Ann Downey, or Liz Howard? Or even Fiona O'Driscoll. I'd have thought they were much more deserving of Laochra Gael status, but Aisling's story is probably more intriguing.

what is the criteria for having one done?

General discussion / Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« on: February 15, 2018, 02:33:17 PM »
The Hoops are going to be up against it tonight, but still a winnable game. The injuries just keep piling up but we still have the spine of the team available so just have to get stuck in. Quality wise they spent (can't remember what i read last week if it was 46 or 60 odd million in the summer last year) big money. I do believe BR has been targeting this game for quite a while and we will see a different Celtic team tonight (Intensity), of course quality will come into it too so let hope we have more fire in the belly that them and hopefully they'll not fancy it in-front of the atmosphere at CP...


hopefully they aren't at peak fitness and sharpness after their break

General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 15, 2018, 02:09:09 PM »
I don't understand how someone who has been charged with a crime and is being prosecuted for it cant be called by the prosecution. Can someone try and explain it?

General discussion / Re: Silent Justice/ Internet Interceptors
« on: February 15, 2018, 02:00:15 PM »
I have watched many videos of stings.What exactly do people find objectionable? Any I've seen the person caught is obviously guilty. They are subjected to an aggressive humiliation,but hell slap it up them.The Police are informed and invariably arrive,there is no physical threat to the person caught unless he tries to do a runner.What is so objectionable? Do you object to the cops ramming suspected drug dealers doors? Or the showing of images on Crimewatch?

Would you find it objectionable if a  paedophile is outed by these guys, escapes prosecution because the hunters have prejudiced evidence and the paedophile goes to ground and pops up elsewhere and abuses there?

You mean after the Hunters as is customary,told the Police? Yes I would find it objectionable and would blame the useless police and rotten legal system that is unfit for purpose.

So when someone prejudices evidence it's the police's fault for not securing a conviction. Your stupidity is limitless.

The consequence of displacing the offender so they can offend elsewhere having covered their tracks is acceptable in your world. Your inanity and failure to grasp cause and effect is limitless

In fairness, there is precedent for that. I wonder where Tony could have seen it?

not a laughing matter but that gave me a chuckle

General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« on: February 15, 2018, 01:42:17 PM »

he brought muslims in to highlight the paradoxes and BS that is the US of A currently.......

those  who see least are those who refuse to look

and it was a fair point

General discussion / Re: Clerical abuse!
« on: February 14, 2018, 09:44:52 PM »
Nasty or not,it's a fact and one that is hard to understand

its hard to understand because, presumably, you've never been in that situation. Neither have I. I don't understand it either and don't want to, but it doesnt in any way shape or form make what happened any less vile - the abuse and the cover up

General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 14, 2018, 09:41:49 PM »
I think every one is missing the crucial point in this case .
they are Rugby players who went to private schools same as the judge probably and it under English law
so yes they are going to get off

Neither Methody or BRA are private schools.

They may not be but trust me the old boys network from both has fingers in many pies.

As do plenty of (and more) from our side of the fence. Not sure you'd ever hear to much outrage here about the advantages young (and not so young), prominent Catholics enjoy in the justice system.

If they get off, it'll be because of the inability to prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Not because they're rugby boys with connections like some muppets will claim. Especially when you have t**ts like Syferus flat out lying that there is, for example, medical evidence pointing to rape

Agreed. I think what will be more telling in terms of predicting the outcome will be the socio-economic make up of the jury seeing as they will be the final decision makers.

If you think the medical evidence doesn’t in any way support rape I’m not the ‘tît’. Would you or Gallsman like to explain how you ‘consenually digitally penetrate’ a woman and bruise her thighs in the process? Yikes.

Thighs are a fatty, fleshy part of the body. Easily bruised. If Jackson lied about having penetrative, vaginal sex, as it very much appears he did, that again does not mean he raped her. It means he lied about having sex with her. You continually ignore the fact that the prosecution said her injuries alone so not automatically point to rape. You accuse everyone on this thread of blindly following a narrative hey hypocritically do the exact same thing.

Simply put, you're a sanctimonious gobshite who has made his mind up about the case a much as you claim others have. You went the lads hung out to try without waiting for proof of their guilt. For all your posturing, you've no interest in true justice at all.

why would he lie about having sex with her? I don't get that. If he is innocent but did have sex with her, why not say it?

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