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[the other 31 counties]

Can't fathom why anyone would want to split Dublin. Inter county is about tradition and identity. Kill Dublin's identity, then kill GAA in Dublin. Dies in Dublin, loses its allure throughout the country.

I wouldn't like to see Dublin  be split, but they need to get far less funding and other counties need to get far more. They already have enough built in advantages without the current funding inequality being allowed to continue. It's far more important for the GAA to be successful and alluring throughout the other 31 counties, than it is to be successful in Dublin alone.

[two full years]

I only see this as a good thing from a Roscommon point of view... They conceded 4-24, 4-24 and 0-20 in the Super 8 and after the Dublin game Kevin Mc Stay  was talking about putting a "defensive system in,in the winter for the 2019 season", after two full years in the job.     Roscommon have shown themselves to be a better team than Cavan over the last number of years and Cavan gave Tyrone a battle  to the finish and conceded 0-18. Roscommon massively underachieved this year in the Championship and have loads of talent.

What do you mean no-one from Derry etc,Chrissy McKaigue is one of the best backs in Ireland and is every bit as good as any of the elite Dublin backs.
An Ulster Select would beat Dublin in 100 games out of 100.
You're talking about the Cream of Tyrone,Monaghan and Donegal,3 of the top 6/8 sides in the country for a start  and each of the other 6 teams has outstanding players aswell.
Dublin are a fantastic team,undoubtedly one of the best ever, but the hype is getting ridiculous.

I know, that's why I am asking if Dublin could beat Ulster as opposed to the other way around.

Apologies then,if you thought i was attacking you, picked it up wrong.

What do you mean no-one from Derry etc,Chrissy McKaigue is one of the best backs in Ireland and is every bit as good as any of the elite Dublin backs.
An Ulster Select would beat Dublin in 100 games out of 100.
You're talking about the Cream of Tyrone,Monaghan and Donegal,3 of the top 6/8 sides in the country for a start  and each of the other 6 teams has outstanding players aswell.
Dublin are a fantastic team,undoubtedly one of the best ever, but the hype is getting ridiculous.

A "rest of Ireland" team would annihilate Dublin.

Nope

Dublin team against Galway

S Cluxton; E Murchan, C O'Sullivan, P McMahon; J Cooper, J Small, J McCaffrey; B Fenton , J McCarthy; N Scully, C Kilkenny , B Howard ; C O'Callaghan , D Rock , P Mannion . Subs: M Fitzsimons , C Costello   K McManamon  M D Macauley , D Daly P Flynn

Rest of Ireland(Only a sample team, i could have named another two teams worth of players)

1. Rory Beggan (Monaghan)
2. Colm Walshe (Monaghan)
3. Neil McGee(Donegal)
4. Eoghan Ban Gallagher(Donegal)
5. Lee Keegan (Mayo)
6. Chrissy McKeague(Derry)
7. Tiernan McCann(Tyrone)
8. Kevin Feely(Kildare)
9. Colm Cavanagh(Tyrone)
10.Mattie Donnelly(Tyrone)
11.Michael Murphy(Donegal)
12. Enda Smith(Roscommon)
13. Conor McManus (Monaghan)
14. Damien Comer(Galway)
15. Paddy McBrearty(Donegal)

Don't get me wrong,This Dublin team are a fantastic outfit,but some people are losing the run of themselves...there's outstanding footballers in most counties.

A "rest of Ireland" team would annihilate Dublin.

[urely there's managers that have done well with Dublin clubs operating at a high level that would be interested]

Jesus lads we're left with Mickey Graham and Jason Reilly at the front of the queue... So so disappointing that this is who we're looking at. Surely there's managers that have done well with Dublin clubs operating at a high level that would be interested.

I very rarely disagree with anything you post Westside, but i have to here.. I definitely don't want anything from Dublin unless its Pat Gilroy or maybe Pillar Caffrey. Andy McEntee for his success with Ballyboden has done nothing with Meath,and Ive heard some horror stories over  some former Dublin greats as managers.
Rodney,you're a Lacken man,how highly would Jason be rated in your club after winning the Intermediate Championship with them?

Cavan football fans from outside Cavan town must have mixed feelings

No, first Cavan Senior Club in 25 years to make the Ulster Final. Fully behind them.

Was rooting for them today, no ones favourite 2nd club but they are representing cavan now so everyone is behind them.

Thanks lads, after years of trying we have made it to the finally. We have another mountain to climb, slaughtneil will be every bodies favourites. We played them in Owenbeg the year they won the Ulster club against Omagh I think and gave a good account of ourselves, although I felt our team selection costs us that day under Canavan. As they say, we have nothing to loose.

Would I be right in saying every Gaels player (barring perhaps the goalie) has represented Cavan at Minor, U21 or Senior Level in the last 6 years?

They've been on the side of some unfortunate losses so good to see them getting the rub of the green.

The Goalkeeper Ciaran Flynn was a county minor in 03, played wing forward as far as i can recall.

I see the Dubs third string sauntered to the O Byrne Cup today.
Question for the Dubs posters,Any of those lads likely to see action against Cavan or in  the rest of the National league???

Your appreciation of diversity is astounding.Describing unionists as nut jobs merely confirms their prejudices.In fairness it is probably the predominant view of unionists by the people in the South

You obviously can't read either,Kindly point out where I labelled all unionists as nutjobs. I labelled the DUP/Evangelical brigade within the Unionist community as nutjobs. Most reasonable people  would agree with me on that. You have alot in common with those bigots, with your prejudicial views. You have little in common with the vast majority of people from both communities in the north.

Fearon, you have little in common with virtually all 6 county posters on this board, nevermind the overall Nationalist and Republican community in the North with your warped views.

You do have lots  in common with the DUP/Evangelical nutjob brigade on the unionist side however.

[The attitude of Div 3 and 4 players towards a tiered competition merely shows their lack of ambition for all to see. Instead of earning the right to compete with the best]

The attitude of Div 3 and 4 players towards a tiered competition merely shows their lack of ambition for all to see. Instead of earning the right to compete with the best they want it guaranteed to them, no matter how bad they are. They also forget that even if they begin in tier 3, they are only 2 years away from the top level as they can work hard, measure progress and work their way up. At the moment they are light years away and only codding themselves.

Are you sure Gaelic Football is the sport for you???
If a player is deemed good enough to make a county panel and is willing to put in the 5-7 training sessions throughout the season,including recovery sessions required to represent their county, that earns them the right to match up against the best,no matter  how good or bad their team is.
Division 3 and 4 National League teams have every much a right to partake in the All Ireland championship as the likes of Dublin or Kerry.

So we continue with the system we have where club football is put on hold while there are 2 or 3 months of completely meaningless matches up to the start of august when th real competition starts. A competition where the likes of carlow, leitrim, waterford could be drawn against dublin, mayo, kerry is just a ridiculous situation. There's a complete apathy there among a lot of players of teams outside the top 6 or 8 teams and also an even bigger apathy among supporters in general. The influential managers of the top teams will continue to say that there is nothing wrong with the system but they are failing to see the problems at lower level teams.

You talk about general apathy among alot of teams outside the top 6 or 8 and an even bigger apathy among supporters. If you think that is bad,imagine the apathy if all the players had to look forward to was a Tommy Murphy cup game with a fellow Division 3/4 team in May, in front of 800/1,000 spectators. I know a few years ago before this resurgence,Cavan were atrocious and were literally only saved from going down to Division 4 for the first time ever by scoring difference and were beaten by Cork by 20 plus points in the championship. The players on the panel that i know,knew results wouldn't be great,but still put in the hard work knowing because they still looked forward to their day in the sun in Breffni in front of 15,000 for the Ulster Championship or maybe a qualifier with an Ulster county or one of the big boys in front of a large attendance.

I completely understand where yourself and Jinxy are coming from when you say this by the way so i'm not rubbishing your views, and i know in a perfect world, the grading like we have in club football which is what you  are suggesting would probably be the right way to go,but because we have the tradition of everyone bar Kilkenny competing in the same championship,no matter how bad they are,any shift away from that would probably cause serious  problems with those counties at the lower ends of the spectrum in terms of player participation. It would be a disaster in my opinion.

I'm not talking about a Tommy Murphy cup for weak teams who get knocked out of the championship. And I'm not just thinking of division 4 teams. I'm thinking of a proper intermediate and junior championship for teams in division 2,3 and 4.

I know you're not talking about a Tommy Murphy Cup.

Senior-Sam Maguire
Intermediate-Tier 2
Junior- Tier 3

Unfortunately,teams and players outside the top tier wont be interested,I'm open to correct but haven't the GPA already stated that their membership aren't interested in graded competitions for Senior Inter county football. I honestly don't think supporters of counties in Tier 2 and Tier 3 competitions would have much interest either. Whatever sense it makes and i do agree it does make alot of sense,i think it's a complete no-goer.

[The attitude of Div 3 and 4 players towards a tiered competition merely shows their lack of ambition for all to see. Instead of earning the right to compete with the best]

The attitude of Div 3 and 4 players towards a tiered competition merely shows their lack of ambition for all to see. Instead of earning the right to compete with the best they want it guaranteed to them, no matter how bad they are. They also forget that even if they begin in tier 3, they are only 2 years away from the top level as they can work hard, measure progress and work their way up. At the moment they are light years away and only codding themselves.

Are you sure Gaelic Football is the sport for you???
If a player is deemed good enough to make a county panel and is willing to put in the 5-7 training sessions throughout the season,including recovery sessions required to represent their county, that earns them the right to match up against the best,no matter  how good or bad their team is.
Division 3 and 4 National League teams have every much a right to partake in the All Ireland championship as the likes of Dublin or Kerry.

So we continue with the system we have where club football is put on hold while there are 2 or 3 months of completely meaningless matches up to the start of august when th real competition starts. A competition where the likes of carlow, leitrim, waterford could be drawn against dublin, mayo, kerry is just a ridiculous situation. There's a complete apathy there among a lot of players of teams outside the top 6 or 8 teams and also an even bigger apathy among supporters in general. The influential managers of the top teams will continue to say that there is nothing wrong with the system but they are failing to see the problems at lower level teams.

You talk about general apathy among alot of teams outside the top 6 or 8 and an even bigger apathy among supporters. If you think that is bad,imagine the apathy if all the players had to look forward to was a Tommy Murphy cup game with a fellow Division 3/4 team in May, in front of 800/1,000 spectators. I know a few years ago before this resurgence,Cavan were atrocious and were literally only saved from going down to Division 4 for the first time ever by scoring difference and were beaten by Cork by 20 plus points in the championship. The players on the panel that i know,knew results wouldn't be great,but still put in the hard work knowing because they still looked forward to their day in the sun in Breffni in front of 15,000 for the Ulster Championship or maybe a qualifier with an Ulster county or one of the big boys in front of a large attendance.

I completely understand where yourself and Jinxy are coming from when you say this by the way so i'm not rubbishing your views, and i know in a perfect world, the grading like we have in club football which is what you  are suggesting would probably be the right way to go,but because we have the tradition of everyone bar Kilkenny competing in the same championship,no matter how bad they are,any shift away from that would probably cause serious  problems with those counties at the lower ends of the spectrum in terms of player participation. It would be a disaster in my opinion.

[The attitude of Div 3 and 4 players towards a tiered competition merely shows their lack of ambition for all to see. Instead of earning the right to compete with the best]

The attitude of Div 3 and 4 players towards a tiered competition merely shows their lack of ambition for all to see. Instead of earning the right to compete with the best they want it guaranteed to them, no matter how bad they are. They also forget that even if they begin in tier 3, they are only 2 years away from the top level as they can work hard, measure progress and work their way up. At the moment they are light years away and only codding themselves.

Are you sure Gaelic Football is the sport for you???
If a player is deemed good enough to make a county panel and is willing to put in the 5-7 training sessions throughout the season,including recovery sessions required to represent their county, that earns them the right to match up against the best,no matter  how good or bad their team is.
Division 3 and 4 National League teams have every much a right to partake in the All Ireland championship as the likes of Dublin or Kerry.

So we now know our final line up. Castlerahan or Ramor?

It's a hard one to call tbh.
Both are strong overall teams with very little if any weak links in their starting line-ups and both have impact subs whom can come on and make a difference.