What do you make of the 200 Northern signatories to the letter to Leo Varadkar asking him to stand up for the rights of Irish Citizens in the North? I am totally confused I have to say.
I thought Sinn Fein were more than capable of lobbying on behalf of Northern nationalists,uniquely with members elected to Stormont,The Dail and Westminster.
Secondly there is a portion in the letter referring to the denial of "human rights" here which are "enjoyed" in all other parts of these islands.This is an obvious reference to allowing gay marriage and relaxing strict abortion legislation,in the North.Does this mean the two prominent priests that have signed this letter,Fr Joe Mc Veigh and Fr Gary Donegal support the introduction of gay marriage and a relaxation of abortion laws here???
Oh, I thought this was about bikes.
So did I. Leo is an elected member of a Government or a governing maybe?
Quote from: T Fearon on December 11, 2017, 05:56:16 PM
Secondly there is a portion in the letter referring to the denial of "human rights" here which are "enjoyed" in all other parts of these islands.This is an obvious reference to allowing gay marriage and relaxing strict abortion legislation,in the North.Does this mean the two prominent priests that have signed this letter,Fr Joe Mc Veigh and Fr Gary Donegal support the introduction of gay marriage and a relaxation of abortion laws here???
All parts of these uplands presumably includes the 26 Cos which limits abortion too.
So it seems it's same sex marriage they refer to.
Nothing wrong with 2 priests supporting civil rights.
And before you say sex between people of the same sex is immoral - that would be going on marriage or no marriage.
Last time I checked catholic teaching regards homosexuality as sinful,and the Church opposes gay marriage and any amendment to current abortion legislation as it applies in the North
This was the best piece of news that I have heard in years. Finally, the Dublin government are going to stand up and look after the rights of northern nationalists who have been annexed in the occupied six.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42306297 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42306297)
Leo's acknowledgment is at the very least comforting, considering the remarks of certain west brits on this here message board.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 11, 2017, 06:52:51 PM
Last time I checked catholic teaching regards homosexuality as sinful,and the Church opposes gay marriage and any amendment to current abortion legislation as it applies in the North
Civil marriage laws are Ceaser's business.
Gay people have sex married or not - so the Church can preach against homosexual sex -as opposed to homosexuality which is a natural situation as some people are that way by nature.
If we're all created by God -then He must be happy to have some people homosexual.
Never came across Jesus saying anything against homosexuality or homosexuals in the Gospels.
PS-- Does calling them the "North east 200" mean you've given up on "northernirishness"?😆
Quote from: T Fearon on December 11, 2017, 06:52:51 PM
Last time I checked catholic teaching regards homosexuality as sinful,and the Church opposes gay marriage and any amendment to current abortion legislation as it applies in the North
Catholic teaching would be wrong
Quote from: Rossfan on December 11, 2017, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 11, 2017, 06:52:51 PM
Last time I checked catholic teaching regards homosexuality as sinful,and the Church opposes gay marriage and any amendment to current abortion legislation as it applies in the North
Civil marriage laws are Ceaser's business.
Gay people have sex married or not - so the Church can preach against homosexual sex -as opposed to homosexuality which is a natural situation as some people are that way by nature.
If we're all created by God -then He must be happy to have some people homosexual.
Never came across Jesus saying anything against homosexuality or homosexuals in the Gospels.
PS-- Does calling them the "North east 200" mean you've given up on "northernirishness"?😆
I think the events of the last fortnight have shaken things up enough that his WUMming would be too obvious to keep going down that track for the time being.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 11, 2017, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 11, 2017, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 11, 2017, 06:52:51 PM
Last time I checked catholic teaching regards homosexuality as sinful,and the Church opposes gay marriage and any amendment to current abortion legislation as it applies in the North
Civil marriage laws are Ceaser's business.
Gay people have sex married or not - so the Church can preach against homosexual sex -as opposed to homosexuality which is a natural situation as some people are that way by nature.
If we're all created by God -then He must be happy to have some people homosexual.
Never came across Jesus saying anything against homosexuality or homosexuals in the Gospels.
PS-- Does calling them the "North east 200" mean you've given up on "northernirishness"?😆
I think the events of the last fortnight have shaken things up enough that his WUMming would be too obvious to keep going down that track for the time being.
It's always been obvious.
Not too sure what to make of this. Who compiled the list? What's the criteria? What's the point? How many GAAboarders? How many signatories does Tony have a selfie with?
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Appeal to taoiseach: List of signatories
Academia
Prof Bill Rolston, Antrim
Prof Patricia Lundy, Antrim
Prof Mark McGovern, Derry
Dr Michael Pierse, Antrim
Prof Phil Scraton, Antrim
Prof Colin Harvey, Derry
An Ghaeilge
Aisling NÍ Labhraí, Antrim
Dr Feargal Mac Ionnrachtaigh, Antrim
Dr Antaine Ó Donnaile, Armagh
Ciarán Ó Pronntaigh, Antrim
Ciarain Mac Cearáin, Derry
Ciarán Mac Giolla Bhéin, Antrim
Niall Ó Catháin, Derry
Éilís Ní Chaiside, Derry
Dr Pádraig Ó Tiarnaigh, Down
Arts
Michele Devlin, Down
Eibhlin Ní Dhochartaigh, Derry
Conor Caldwell, Antrim
Rónan Bennett, Antrim
Dr Brian Ferran, Antrim
Ray Giffen, Down
John McSherry, Antrim
Eamonn Murray, Antrim
Barry Kerr, Antrim
Tony Devlin, Antrim
Terry George, Down
Pearse Elliott, Antrim
Seamie O'Neill, Antrim
Oorlagh George, Down
JB Vallely, Armagh
Donal O'Connor, Down
Malachi Cush, Tyrone
Business
James Conlon, Tyrone
Ciarán Mackel, Down
Eamon Blaney, Down
Christine Jones, Down
Stephen Thompson, Antrim
Shaun McElhinney, Derry
Seamus Ó hAodha, Down
Johnny Kelly, Tyrone
Brian McGirr, Tyrone
Chris Conwell, Fermanagh
Eamon Fitzpatrick, Fermanagh
Gerry Hicks, Fermanagh
Martin Carey, Fermanagh
Mary Connolly, Fermanagh
Sheamus Cosgrove, Fermanagh
Thomas McAloon, Fermanagh
Patrick Magee, Antrim
Ciaran McCavana, Antrim
Dougie Adams, Antrim
Peter Curistan, Antrim
Jane Adams, Antrim
Sean Napier, Antrim
Brian O'Neill, Derry
John McGowan, Derry
Gareth Creaney, Antrim
Frank Cullen, Antrim
Gerard de Brún, Antrim
Rosemary McKenna, Antrim
Andy McCallin, Antrim
Jim Conlon, Antrim
Peter Quinn, Fermanagh
Seamus McMullan, Antrim
Tony Shivers, Antrim
Dominic Kearns, Antrim
Cathal McAteer, Antrim
James Thornton, Antrim
Leo Carey, Antrim
Gerry O'Reilly, Armagh
Bernard Boyle, Armagh
Anthony Havern, Armagh
Pat McCorley, Antrim
James Toal, Antrim
Charlie Keenan, Antrim
Thomas McStocker, Antrim
Jim Clinton, Antrim
Gerry Carlile, Antrim
Damien Brown, Derry
Kieran Kennedy, Tyrone
Community
Fr Joe McVeigh, Fermanagh
Aodhán Harkin, Tyrone
Joe Duffy, Armagh
Ciarán Mac Airt, Antrim
Marie Quiery, Down
Annie Armstrong, Antrim
Harry Connolly, Antrim
Kevin Gamble, Antrim
Pilib Ó Ruanaí, Down
Seamus de Leaduis, Fermanagh
Oliver McCaffrey, Fermanagh
Frank Liddy, Antrim
Conal McDevitt, Derry
Alison O Neill, Antrim
John Kelly, Derry
Conal McFeely, Derry
Seamas Heaney, Derry
Ciara Ferguson, Derry
Davy Cunningham, Down
Conor Murray, Derry
Michelle Kelly, Antrim
Elizabeth McStocker, Antrim
Peter Bunting, Down
Andrée Murphy, Antrim
Mark Thompson, Antrim
Clara Reilly, Antrim
Fr Gary Donegan, Fermanagh
Eugene Reavey, Armagh
Gerard Rice, Antrim
Damien Lindsay, Antrim
Angela Hegarty, Derry
Paul O'Connor, Derry
Tish Holland, Antrim
Education
Bernard O'Connor, Fermanagh
Lorette Gleeson, Fermanagh
Seamus Ó Tuama, Antrim
Mairead Ní Chonghaile, Antrim
Gearoid MacRoibeaird, Antrim
Marie McBride, Antrim
Caireann Uí Mhuireagáin, Antrim
Liam Ó Flannagáin, Derry
Padraig Mac an tSaoir, Antrim
Máire Darragh, Antrim
Health
Dr Peter Murphy, Antrim
Dr John McSparran, Antrim
Dr Brendan McDonald, Tyrone
Law
Pat Fahy, Tyrone
Peter Madden, Antrim
Padraig Ó Muirigh, Antrim
Adrian O Kane, Tyrone
Michael Fahy, Tyrone
Des Fahy BL, Tyrone
Colin Gervin BL, Tyrone
Frank McManus, Fermanagh
Anna McHugh BL, Tyrone
Ciaran Toner, Antrim
Michael Crawford, Antrim
Niall Murphy, Antrim
John Finucane, Antrim
Caitlin Bunting, Antrim
Rosie Kinnear, Antrim
Eamon McLaughlin, Antrim
Sean G Doherty BL, Derry
Darragh Mackin, Antrim
Martin Durkan, Down
Paul Foster BL, Derry
Blaine Nugent BL, Tyrone
Michelle McDonnell, Tyrone
Sinead Larkin, Armagh
Ciaran Roddy BL, Derry
Brian G McCartney QC SC, Antrim
Patricia Coyle, Derry
Claire McKeegan, Antrim
Peter Corrigan, Tyrone
Katie Dowling, Antrim
Marie Hans, Tyrone
Neil Fox BL, Antrim
Pearse McDermott, Derry
Paddy McDermott, Derry
Chris McCann, Antrim
John Keown, Down
Joe McVeigh, Antrim
Kevin Winters, Down
Anna Nugent, Down
Paul Pierce, Antrim
Sean Pol Begley, Tyrone
Media
Maria McCourt, Antrim
Patricia McBride, Derry
Brian Feeney, Antrim
Colm Dore, Antrim
Dr Jude Collins, Antrim
Martin Shannon, Fermanagh
Robin Livingstone, Antrim
Barry McCaffrey, Antrim
Sonia Nic Giolla Easpaig, Derry
Sports
Peter Canavan, Tyrone
Tommy Shaw, Antrim
Kieran McKeever, Derry
Tony Scullion, Derry
Paddy Bradley, Derry
Ciaran McLaughlin, Tyrone
Conor Gormley, Tyrone
Eamon Lindsay, Tyrone
John Lynch, Tyrone
Paddy Cunningham, Antrim
Patrick McBride, Antrim
Ronan McNamee, Tyrone
Neil McManus, Antrim
Terence 'Sambo' McNaughton, Antrim
Tommy Quinn, Antrim
Gary "Pappy" O'Kane, Antrim
Gregory O'Kane, Antrim
Mark Carey, Antrim
Ross Carr, Down
Conor Laverty, Down
Chrissy McKaigue, Derry
Kevin Madden, Antrim
James McClean, Derry
Michael McCann, Antrim
Justin Crozier, Antrim
Cathy Rooney, Antrim
Paddy Barnes, Antrim
Michael Conlan, Antrim
Jamie Conlan, Antrim
Aoife Ní Chasaide, Derry
Shannon Lynch, Tyrone
Benny Tierney, Armagh
Enda McNulty, Armagh
Paddy Bradley, Derry
Ciaran McKeever, Armagh
Danny Hughes, Down
Joe Kernan, Armagh
None of the signees are doing too badly .
They could better channel their energies to homelessness , health service , unemployment and other social ills
Quote from: ashman on December 12, 2017, 02:57:18 PM
None of the signees are doing too badly .
They could better channel their energies to homelessness , health service , unemployment and other social ills
So that means they shouldn't care about identity, equality etc? Quite a few of them provide significant employment in the north.
Relax folks.
Malachi Cush & Danny Hughes have got this.
Good Nationalist he is Paddy Bradley has signed it twice!!
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 12, 2017, 03:27:42 PM
Relax folks.
Malachi Cush & Danny Hughes have got this.
The North's Awake!!
Its great to see, a great initiative, fair play to all involved.
Quote from: AQMP on December 12, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: ashman on December 12, 2017, 02:57:18 PM
None of the signees are doing too badly .
They could better channel their energies to homelessness , health service , unemployment and other social ills
So that means they shouldn't care about identity, equality etc? Quite a few of them provide significant employment in the north.
Never said they should not care about identity . Providing employment is often used to cover other things .
Quote from: screenexile on December 12, 2017, 03:29:53 PM
Good Nationalist he is Paddy Bradley has signed it twice!!
What's his da called?
Quote from: ashman on December 12, 2017, 04:01:23 PM
Quote from: AQMP on December 12, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: ashman on December 12, 2017, 02:57:18 PM
None of the signees are doing too badly .
They could better channel their energies to homelessness , health service , unemployment and other social ills
So that means they shouldn't care about identity, equality etc? Quite a few of them provide significant employment in the north.
Never said they should not care about identity . Providing employment is often used to cover other things .
Ah yes, another game of social-ill bingo. How about going a step further and adding world poverty, climate change, plastic in the oceans and famine in Africa to the list. ::)
Quote from: haranguerer on December 12, 2017, 03:51:28 PM
Its great to see, a great initiative, fair play to all involved.
Totally agree. This is a helluva lot better than having some MLAs argue our case with Leo, who might see them as a threat.
I also think that this proves a confidence among nationalists which never existed since the Protestant Parliament was first set up. Twenty years ago nobody would have gone so public.
Quote from: ashman on December 12, 2017, 04:01:23 PM
Quote from: AQMP on December 12, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: ashman on December 12, 2017, 02:57:18 PM
None of the signees are doing too badly .
They could better channel their energies to homelessness , health service , unemployment and other social ills
So that means they shouldn't care about identity, equality etc? Quite a few of them provide significant employment in the north.
Never said they should not care about identity . Providing employment is often used to cover other things .
Don't quite understand this??
Quote from: AQMP on December 13, 2017, 09:14:20 AM
Quote from: ashman on December 12, 2017, 04:01:23 PM
Quote from: AQMP on December 12, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: ashman on December 12, 2017, 02:57:18 PM
None of the signees are doing too badly .
They could better channel their energies to homelessness , health service , unemployment and other social ills
So that means they shouldn't care about identity, equality etc? Quite a few of them provide significant employment in the north.
Never said they should not care about identity . Providing employment is often used to cover other things .
Don't quite understand this??
I worded that poorly . In the case of business people the old line of "they provide employment" is used when there some little problem to be addressed .