Cusack Park in Ennis after getting the go ahead to increase capacity from 18.8k to over 20k to accommodate Clare v Limerick
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Show posts MenuQuote from: seafoid on April 09, 2024, 11:26:35 AMQuote from: clonadmad on April 09, 2024, 10:27:02 AMHave you ever come across Michael Foley's analysis? He did it in last Sunday's sunday times.Quote from: seafoid on April 09, 2024, 09:31:59 AMQuote from: clonadmad on April 08, 2024, 10:38:12 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 08, 2024, 10:30:06 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 08, 2024, 10:22:21 PMI predict a grassroots movement for change at the next Congress.Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2024, 09:38:57 PMToo many games doesn't wash. Nearly everyone thats ever played will say they'd far rather play more games rather than train for weeks on end behind games.Quote from: Blowitupref on April 08, 2024, 04:00:01 PMAnyone I have spoken to recently about this said that the system doesn't work. There is no objection to making time for clubs but they all say there are too many games in too short a time period. People hope Jarlath burns will put some smacht on things.Quote from: Londoner89 on April 08, 2024, 01:36:20 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 08, 2024, 12:28:30 PMGreat article/ piece with Jim Mcguinness in today's Irish News, a full throated defence of USFC & the provincial series. He made the point, that has been made here before, that counties trying to compete v Dublin and Kerry need financial support and development plans to make them competitive again - as a better alternative to just scrapping them.
The provincial structure is broken and most people just want them moved to the start of the season. Most counties voted for a structure in 2021 which would see them be played first followed by a league based championship. Now we've ended up with a structure which tries to please everyone and is condensed into half the year despite having more games.
If most counties voted that it would have been seen with the vote The current structure we have was voted in by Congress and any change will have to be done via Congress again.
Grassroots ?
Grassroots is the club's, son who are delighted with the defined split season
Not so happy are the paid shills and expensed intercounty managers who have had a bit of power taken away from them.
Oh and the prawn sandwich crew which live for the days in Premium in "Croker" and would struggle to find their nearest club grounds
Maybe the Club Players Association with its 25,000 members should come back into being to lobby every CLUB delegate before every county convention, should any motion to erode what has been hard won come before Congress
Everybody who follows county has a club and is grassroots. It is not one or the other. People are happy with more time for clubs but not with the state of the all Ireland- things like not playing in August and September, the rushed nature of things, the lack of joined up thinking.
The current all Ireland system is not a solution. And club vs county is not a culture war. Most people are both. They want an all Ireland system that works.
Go on then
Give us a system that "works"
Because all I'm seeing everywhere is a whole load of lads that are making money out of the game whinging
But not offering a lot of workable solutions
There are too many matches that don't mean anything. The league has been devalued.The championship has elements of the league. And there is no margin. I think the club idea is fine. It's how the championship is run
This is what he said :
"The GAA aren't quite there yet with running the provincial championship in early spring before stretching a league-based all Ireland championship from April to early august "
What would you think of that ?
Quote from: seafoid on April 09, 2024, 09:31:59 AMQuote from: clonadmad on April 08, 2024, 10:38:12 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 08, 2024, 10:30:06 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 08, 2024, 10:22:21 PMI predict a grassroots movement for change at the next Congress.Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2024, 09:38:57 PMToo many games doesn't wash. Nearly everyone thats ever played will say they'd far rather play more games rather than train for weeks on end behind games.Quote from: Blowitupref on April 08, 2024, 04:00:01 PMAnyone I have spoken to recently about this said that the system doesn't work. There is no objection to making time for clubs but they all say there are too many games in too short a time period. People hope Jarlath burns will put some smacht on things.Quote from: Londoner89 on April 08, 2024, 01:36:20 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 08, 2024, 12:28:30 PMGreat article/ piece with Jim Mcguinness in today's Irish News, a full throated defence of USFC & the provincial series. He made the point, that has been made here before, that counties trying to compete v Dublin and Kerry need financial support and development plans to make them competitive again - as a better alternative to just scrapping them.
The provincial structure is broken and most people just want them moved to the start of the season. Most counties voted for a structure in 2021 which would see them be played first followed by a league based championship. Now we've ended up with a structure which tries to please everyone and is condensed into half the year despite having more games.
If most counties voted that it would have been seen with the vote The current structure we have was voted in by Congress and any change will have to be done via Congress again.
Grassroots ?
Grassroots is the club's, son who are delighted with the defined split season
Not so happy are the paid shills and expensed intercounty managers who have had a bit of power taken away from them.
Oh and the prawn sandwich crew which live for the days in Premium in "Croker" and would struggle to find their nearest club grounds
Maybe the Club Players Association with its 25,000 members should come back into being to lobby every CLUB delegate before every county convention, should any motion to erode what has been hard won come before Congress
Everybody who follows county has a club and is grassroots. It is not one or the other. People are happy with more time for clubs but not with the state of the all Ireland- things like not playing in August and September, the rushed nature of things, the lack of joined up thinking.
The current all Ireland system is not a solution. And club vs county is not a culture war. Most people are both. They want an all Ireland system that works.
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2024, 10:30:06 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 08, 2024, 10:22:21 PMI predict a grassroots movement for change at the next Congress.Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2024, 09:38:57 PMToo many games doesn't wash. Nearly everyone thats ever played will say they'd far rather play more games rather than train for weeks on end behind games.Quote from: Blowitupref on April 08, 2024, 04:00:01 PMAnyone I have spoken to recently about this said that the system doesn't work. There is no objection to making time for clubs but they all say there are too many games in too short a time period. People hope Jarlath burns will put some smacht on things.Quote from: Londoner89 on April 08, 2024, 01:36:20 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 08, 2024, 12:28:30 PMGreat article/ piece with Jim Mcguinness in today's Irish News, a full throated defence of USFC & the provincial series. He made the point, that has been made here before, that counties trying to compete v Dublin and Kerry need financial support and development plans to make them competitive again - as a better alternative to just scrapping them.
The provincial structure is broken and most people just want them moved to the start of the season. Most counties voted for a structure in 2021 which would see them be played first followed by a league based championship. Now we've ended up with a structure which tries to please everyone and is condensed into half the year despite having more games.
If most counties voted that it would have been seen with the vote The current structure we have was voted in by Congress and any change will have to be done via Congress again.
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2024, 09:38:57 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 08, 2024, 04:00:01 PMAnyone I have spoken to recently about this said that the system doesn't work. There is no objection to making time for clubs but they all say there are too many games in too short a time period. People hope Jarlath burns will put some smacht on things.Quote from: Londoner89 on April 08, 2024, 01:36:20 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 08, 2024, 12:28:30 PMGreat article/ piece with Jim Mcguinness in today's Irish News, a full throated defence of USFC & the provincial series. He made the point, that has been made here before, that counties trying to compete v Dublin and Kerry need financial support and development plans to make them competitive again - as a better alternative to just scrapping them.
The provincial structure is broken and most people just want them moved to the start of the season. Most counties voted for a structure in 2021 which would see them be played first followed by a league based championship. Now we've ended up with a structure which tries to please everyone and is condensed into half the year despite having more games.
If most counties voted that it would have been seen with the vote The current structure we have was voted in by Congress and any change will have to be done via Congress again.
Quote from: Ogie on April 03, 2024, 09:00:06 PMWhy have we no county U19 development hurling team when offaly, dublin, Wexford & kilkenny do ??
Massive problem at club level too, no hurling for a huge amount of players at their own age until maybe October every year,
We need an U19 club competition to bring players through from minor the previous year, especially 'lesser lights' that won't make senior teams straight away.
Quote from: Blueforever on March 28, 2024, 01:03:42 PMWell maybe it's time to contact the Dep of Education and find out why the CBS refuse to promote our national game all these Schools are funded by the National Purse ie the taxpayer
Quote from: Sanny on March 27, 2024, 11:10:52 PMQuote from: Blueforever on March 27, 2024, 09:28:12 PMIf we needed to know the state of football and hurling underage in the country we got our answer tonight and last Saturday in Hawkfield.The scandal ofthe lack of promotion Gaelic games in Portlaoise and Mountmellick is disgraceful.if neither clubs is unable or unwilling to improve there lot the country board has a duty to intervene as it's their brief to promote Gaelic games in the country imagine the big schools in both towns playing in B and C competition and unless something is done Country footballers will be vying with Waterford and London to see who Ellie's can reach Division 3 and our hurlers will be competing with the likes of meath and Kerry for many years to come
Many other clubs represented in these schools other than Portlaoise & Mountmellick. Very unfair to suggest the clubs are unwilling to improve the standards in the school. The schools themselves have a responsibility too but must be aligned with proper structured support from the county board . This is not happening enough in the secondary schools in Laois. Portlaoise have a GDO going into the primary schools in the town but this is a massive job. I'm not sure about Mountmellick?
In order to improve the standards in all secondary schools in the county it needs buy in from the school staff , county board and clubs . This is not happening.
Quote from: Hurling123 on March 15, 2024, 07:24:47 PMSeeing the minor hurling squad several times this year. I think I could count 15 of the this year u16s with them .
I experienced them against Westmeath a couple of weeks ago .
Dreadful what happened that night.
Management alot to answer for
Quote from: burdizzo on February 05, 2024, 05:02:43 PMHard luck to Heywood, beaten 2-27 to 4-15 after extra time today. Should really have won it in normal time when they were awarded a late free, but it hit the post and went wide, unfortunately. In extra time there were three Heywood lads put off, and one from Banagher. Ref. seemed hard on Heywood, but you'd have to say Banagher were the slightly better team.
Eight lads from Abbeyleix, two from The Harps, two from Ballinakill, two from Ballyragget, and one from Clonad on the starting line-up for Heywood.
Quote from: seafoid on November 30, 2023, 08:24:38 AMQuote from: twohands!!! on November 28, 2023, 11:45:35 AMThe Kerry hurling enclave is similar to the ones in Down and Antrim. It is too small to launch an all Ireland team. Clare and Offaly would be the next smallest in terms of hurling footprint.Quote from: blasmere on November 28, 2023, 09:20:34 AMQuote from: didlyi on November 25, 2023, 06:58:42 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 25, 2023, 12:09:24 PMI wont disagree with you but honestly is their respect for football any worse than Kerrys respect for hurling?Quote from: didlyi on November 24, 2023, 09:33:42 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 23, 2023, 10:44:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2023, 11:26:41 AMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 22, 2023, 11:20:57 AMI must say I find it hilarious when hurling people get on their high horse about the state of hurling in Cavan and Fermanagh.
In Cork, Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary football has been treated like sh*t for years. Kilkenny don't even pretend to bother any more.
So I'll listen to arguments about what needs to be done for Cavan hurling when those counties treat football equally.
Did Tipp not play in an All Ireland semi final recently? Cork have won the All Ireland a good few times, Kilkenny compete in the lower end of football Junior I think, and have won it a few times, as for Limerick, they always had a decent team, maybe Waterford and Antrim would have been a better example of underperforming or underfunding ..
These things I wouldn't find hilarious, but each to their own
"Kilkenny compete in the Junior"..😂😂😂 Well - you really disproved my argument, I surrender.
In case you're not aware, that competition is for native born Americans and English players and is played semi-final/final on same weekend like some Féile blitz. That's the level of effort Kilkenny are putting into football. What about club football in Kilkenny? How is that organised pray tell?
I've lived in Tipperary and Cork. Both county boards completely dominated by hurling heads. Officials and coaches in both counties actively discourage dual players playing football. That's quite well known.
There are hardcore football clubs and people in both counties, especially in West Cork which is a heartland of football but the board has treated them like shit to varying degrees over the years. Cork should be a dominant football county but aren't. Why? I could fill a book with stories.
A few years ago at one state the Senior hurlers were training in a college gym in Cork city, paid for by board - while the footballers were forced to rent a warehouse in Fermoy and kit it out themselves. Look up how far Fermoy is from Castlehaven, Bantry or Rosscarbery where footballers were travelling from.
As soon as any talented dual player enters a Cork squad system they are told giving up football is one of the keys to progressing. The large traditional hurling Clubs like Midleton, Sars, Blackrock, Glen Rovers, Na Piarsaigh treat football with absolute spite. The irony being that the one true dual city club who don't - St Finbarrs - excel in both codes because of it.
So to be perfectly honest laughter is all I offer when I hear hurling heads bleating about Leitrim or Cavan hurling. If Hurling snobs ran the GAA and got their wish, football would be banned.
Hurling is a good sport and anyone who wants to play it should be given the opportunity to do so but what hurling people don't seem to get or want to admit though is that
north of the Dublin-Galway line - as Martin Fogarty outlined in many interviews since quitting his role with GAA - there is very little interest in hurling. Hurling is strong in the rich farming counties mainly. There are well documented historical reasons for this.
Not sure how you can draw a comparison between Tipp and Cork and Cavan and Louth. Tipp and Cork like most of the hurling counties have a healthy respect for football and the numbers participating is testament to that. Just because its not the holy grail as it is in Kerry should be no reason to have a cut at them. We all know the same is not true of Cavan and Louth where hurling is almost non existent. Maybe its just a Kerry thing, hurling somehow undermines their superiority complex.
The bolded bit is absolute nonsense. I've lived in Cork for a long time and been involved in GAA at club level.
As I outlined in previous posts, Football is looked on with disdain by the hurling dominated board in Cork (and Tipp) and any meagre success is in spite of this and down to a handful of hardcore football people largely from West or Northwest of Cork or other isolated pockets like Nemo Rangers in the city.
Anyone prepared to discuss how football is treated in Kilkenny? I won't hold my breath.
You mentioned Kilkenny, appreciate only in relation to the other post, but that's why I mentioned it, there is literally no comparison between the two in this instance, maybe other football dominant counties with teams at the very bottom of the hurling levels, even though I appreciate that there's hurling mad people in those counties, they maybe don't get the backing they should, certainly not by the GAA, judging by the recent proposal.
Yeah with very little inside knowledge of how hurling is treated in Kerry - Kerry are a fairly well-established top-half intercounty hurling county and would seem to have a healthy club hurling scene with hurling seeming to growing (albeit slowly) in the county from what I've read/heard. Obviously hurling would be 2nd in terms of priorities but I would have said no real comparison with how Kilkenny treat football.