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[they are saying this is their year to win it. . .]

They have clifford and sean o se who are capable of beating the Dublin defence , no other county have forwards next to near that type of talent and that's why they could come close . Dublin v kerry final is odds on imo . Should be a cracker too. Just a shame it will be a near enough empty croke park again . It's a nothing occasion tbh without a packed croke park,  hard to get excited about it in that sense .

Both a joy to watch, so young too, will win a few IMO

A few All Stars maybe. Kerry will be under pressure to win Munster, but they're under as much pressure to win the All Ireland as Derry are. Same for every other county.

Are you saying there is no pressure on Kerry to win the All Ireland, thats not accurate, they expect big things from this current crop and management, talking to some of animals down there, they are saying this is their year to win it. . .

Yerra, musha, they are saying that every year. 
They won easy enough against a piss poor Galway side and the likes of Brolly are talking up their chances of going the whole way this year. Sure, Clifford is class but Dublin took care of him in the replay game in 2019 and did the same for Ó Se.
Kerry would need at least another thirteen like the pair of them to stand a chance.
Having said that, I won't expect either manager to show his hand on Sunday. I can't  see either side going flat out.

A glance at the stats shows Clifford scored 5 points in that final replay, 4 from play.  I would say that's good going for any player in an All-Ireland final, let alone a 20-year-old in hi second season at senior level.  O'Shea also got 5 points, 2 of them from play.

Agree the weekend's game will mean little when it comes to serious business in the championship - Galway's performance was one of the worst seen in a div 1 game in recent years.

That was a mighty win and an unexpected one given the players we were missing. I know Kerry had their own absences.

Ducky not sure yet if any of the missing players will be available for the final.

That was a mighty win and an unexpected one given the players we were missing. I know Kerry had their own absences.

Ducky not sure yet if any of the missing players will be available for the final.

Galway deserving winners on the day, but not an unexpected win at all given that Kerry were missing even more likely starters than Galway, and the majority were only ruled out the day before the game which would have been hugely disruptive. 

Galway were solid in defence, had impressive free-taking accuracy and finished much stronger - possibly Kerry didn't have the options to bring on that they would have expected to have.  Thought Kerry gave the ball away too easily with a lot of the possession they won and didn't get a good enough supply to their danger men. 

Kerry with a strong team out again. Only really missing David Moran. Have Jack Barry back.

Close to a first-choice championship team yes, probably a couple more besides Moran missing though.  Definitely Tom O'Sullivan would replace Enright in defence.  In the forwards, Gavin O'Brien has a bit to go to be a starter.  Kerry do seem to be going strong from the very start of the league.

Sigerson cup team of the year.

1. Mark Reid (St Mary's)

2. Brian O'Beaglaoích (UCC)
3. Kevin Mc Donnell (NUIG)
4. Graham O'Sullivan (UCC)

5. Cian Kiely (UCC)
6. Daniel O'Brien (UCC)
7. Cillian O'Shea (UCD)

8. Jarlath Óg Burns (St Mary's)
9. Padraig Lucey (UCC)

10. Michael Langan (LYIT)
11. Sean O'Shea (UCC)
12. Peter Cooke (NUIG)

13. Stephen McConville (St Mary's)
14. Evan O'Carroll (UCD)
15. Shane McGuigan (St Mary's)

Sean O'Shea named player of the Sigerson cup.

Unusual double for Kerry with Seán O'Shea getting the Sigerson player of the year and Shane Conway getting the Fitzgibbon award.

The only way you'd ensure 3 players in each half is to employ 2 more officials on each 50, who job it is just to watch that only.

Less players is the answer. Officials are overwhelmed with rules as it is.

Repeating myself now, but you have 3-4 designated attackers and the same number of designated defenders out of the 15 players on the team (designated defenders are needed otherwise the backs could run off up the field with their markers unable to follow).   Designated attackers can't interfere with play behind the 45, designated defenders can't interfere with play in front of the 45. 

They wear a different jersey, as goalkeepers do, to make it easy to distinguish them from their teammates.

So there is no reason why referees would have trouble with telling them from the other players any more than they have trouble telling goalkeepers from outfield players.  It's a simple and easily enforceable rule that immediately ends the problem of 15-man packed defences.

So the Dubs can have their defenders in red, mf in white and forwards in blue?  All the jackeen supporters can will be delighted!

O' Neills can hardly cope with getting Jersey orders right when there all the  same ...God help us having to order different colours in one kit....club identity issue... really a load of bollocks to even suggest it

Ah come on now it's hardly some sort of titanic organisational feat.  You only need one extra kind of jersey in addition to the  'keeper's jersey - the one for use by both your designated attackers and defenders (their zones are separated from each other by the area between the 45s, so they don't need different jerseys from each other, it's going to be fairly obvious if a designated forward comes all the way back to the defensive zone and gets involved). 

Anyway jersey colours are only one option for marking out the 3-4 designated attackers and 3-4 designated defenders on each team.  Easy enough to think of a few ways you could do it, for example just give them letters instead of numbers on their jerseys.

The only way you'd ensure 3 players in each half is to employ 2 more officials on each 50, who job it is just to watch that only.

Less players is the answer. Officials are overwhelmed with rules as it is.

Repeating myself now, but you have 3-4 designated attackers and the same number of designated defenders out of the 15 players on the team (designated defenders are needed otherwise the backs could run off up the field with their markers unable to follow).   Designated attackers can't interfere with play behind the 45, designated defenders can't interfere with play in front of the 45.  They wear a different jersey, as goalkeepers do, to make it easy to distinguish them from their teammates.  So there is no reason why referees would have trouble with telling them from the other players any more than they have trouble telling goalkeepers from outfield players.  It's a simple and easily enforceable rule that immediately ends the problem of 15-man packed defences.

How about this?
Shot clock of 1 minute.
At least 3 players have to be in the opposition 45 at all times.
5 hand passes before you have to kick.

Is that you Barry Hearn?

The 3 men in the 45 thing is impossible to police. Clock might be worth a try though.

No back pass to the keeper I'd recommend. Won't solve all ills, but it'll help.

Enforcing 3 or 4 men in the 45 becomes trivially easy to police by simply giving 3-4 designated attackers / defenders on each team a different jersey, like the goalkeeper.   There are a few small annoyances the rule would cause e.g. a player having to stop chasing the ball because it has gone back behind the 45, but frankly those would be a very small price to pay for ending the blanket defence in a single stroke.

I think you just like disagreeing with Armagh men

Nothing like over-complicating things! If teams had less players, you wouldn't need to keep 3/4 players in the opposing half. That's the simplest solution and less strife for officials. It's no wonder the refs get so much wrong.

It's a very simple change, not sure what's so complicated about designating 3-4 attackers and giving them different jerseys like the  'keeper. With the different jerseys, there's no reason why referees would have any difficulty at all enforcing that rule, and I don't see any major disadvantages to it.  Packed defences are the problem, so why not simply ban them?

I do think 13-a-side is worth discussing though as a matter of fact.

How about this?
Shot clock of 1 minute.
At least 3 players have to be in the opposition 45 at all times.
5 hand passes before you have to kick.

Is that you Barry Hearn?

The 3 men in the 45 thing is impossible to police. Clock might be worth a try though.

No back pass to the keeper I'd recommend. Won't solve all ills, but it'll help.

Enforcing 3 or 4 men in the 45 becomes trivially easy to police by simply giving 3-4 designated attackers / defenders on each team a different jersey, like the goalkeeper.   There are a few small annoyances the rule would cause e.g. a player having to stop chasing the ball because it has gone back behind the 45, but frankly those would be a very small price to pay for ending the blanket defence in a single stroke.

Divisional teams is a discussion though for another thread, they don't play in the Munster club championship.

Indeed, but the main reason that Kerry has a small number of clubs in its senior championship is that  the rest of the teams in the competition are divisional sides.

However, this still means that the best intermediate team would be a senior team in another county and so very competitive in the intermediate championship.

Yes, exactly.  If there was no divisional system, there would be more senior clubs, and the intermediate champions would be a lower-ranked club.  But Kerry are not going to abolish the divisional system, nor should they with all the advantages it has for player development and the county teams.  In fact, I would agree with twohands that more counties should adopt it, especially those that are not dual.

Divisional teams is a discussion though for another thread, they don't play in the Munster club championship.

Indeed, but the main reason that Kerry has a small number of clubs in its senior championship is that  the rest of the teams in the competition are divisional sides.

It's not like it's just 8 teams. They have amalgamations competing too.. Most counties have only really 6 to 8 teams capable of winning a Senior Championship.

It's works for kerry up to other counties to look at their own structures

All the counties it seems run their own set up and thats fine, if it works then grand, but to go into the All Ireland club series, thats were it breaks down, there needs to be a uniform approach to this, were all the counties are doing it the same way, not the Kerry way 

In Antrim, we've a team that was promoted to div 1 this season that play in, and won the Intermediate championship, this club has never won a football trophy before and felt that intermediate was their level, they exceeded all their expectations and have done very well, but, if the policy was in place that div 2 teams play intermedaite then they would have had to play senior!

We've also a div 2 team that will only play senior hurling though, as tradition abd their members wouldnt allow their team to play at that level, regardless of the possible benefits of a run in the All Ireland club.

So it needs to come from Croke

I'd imagine if it was dictated from Croke Park, every county would have club competition structures not that different from Kerry.

From what I've heard Kerry seem to have cut-throat competitive senior, intermediate and junior club championships, where teams have to work hard and perform on the pitch to move up the grades and if they slack off they can quickly find themselves relegated. The intense competition at all levels drives standards.

Even aside from the club All-Ireland competitions, it's clear Kerry's club structure is close to the best (if not the best) in terms of producing footballers for intercounty.

I can sort of understand why dual counties might have issues with fixtures copying Kerry's structures to the same extent but to my mind it's just rank stubborn stupidity by a whole lot of counties (where hurling is less of an issue than in Kerry) not to adopt a similar approach.

The divisional system also means that all players who are good enough have the chance to play club football at the highest level, regardless of how good their own club's team is.

This is important both at adult and underage level.  In many counties, a good player who comes up through the system playing for a small rural club (a description which applies to the majority of clubs in Kerry tbf) will struggle to make county underage and senior teams unless he is exceptionally talented, and even if he is exceptionally talented it's a hindrance to his development.  In Kerry, a good player can play for his divisional team as well as the club team coming up through the age grades, will develop better through playing at a higher level, and will get the chance to be noticed by county selectors at the various grades. 

The benefits are apparent when you look at Kerry panels and see the number of players who make it from small clubs that compete in the lower echelons.

I've often wondered about when a psychiatric disorder turns into diminished responsibility for someone who has committed a crime.

I looked it up and couldnt find anything concrete on it. Whats the difference between a sociopath and schizophrenic for example? Or more to the point why is one considered to have diminished responsibility and the other not if they both have mental disorders?

If you're trying to look it up, the legal defence of "insanity" is originally based on the M'Naghten rules.  These are named after one Daniel M'Naghten, who tried to assassinate the British PM, Robert Peel, back in the 1840s, and ended up shooting Peel's secretary instead.  He was found not guilty by reason of insanity, which caused major controversy, and the M'Naghten rules were formulated to provide clear criteria in any future such cases.  They state that

"to establish a defense on the ground of insanity, it must be clearly proved that, at the time of the committing of the act, the party accused was laboring under such a defect of reason, from disease of the mind, as not to know the nature and quality of the act he was doing; or if he did know it, that he did not know he was doing what was wrong".

So in your example, the small minority of people with schizophrenia who commit a crime while in an acute psychotic episode may have acted because they have lost touch with reality to such an extent that they believe all sorts of paranoid delusions, and don't really know "the nature and quality of the act" or that it's "wrong". They aren't "just" influenced by previous experiences or unusual urges, their mental state is such that they have actually completely lost touch with the reality of the situation and don't fully understand what they are doing.  If that's found to be the case, there may be a defence in court.  On the other hand, a "sociopath" or "psychopath" (which BTW are not actually disorders listed in the standard psychiatric classifications) knows perfectly well what they are doing and that it is wrong.  They just don't care. 

It's not always that simple of course, and there are unavoidable grey areas and controversies.

The Kerry Junior team is made up only of players who are not playing senior at club level, and it has provided an additional development pathway with several players such as Tadhg Morley and Anthony Maher graduating to the senior panel.

That's every club in Kerry they can pick from bar the 8 Senior teams.

Most of the teams in the competition can pick any player in the county bar anyone who has played with the county seniors this year or last.

The only counties the senior club thing applies to are Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Galway and Meath (and Dublin when they used to take part).

The fact that Dublin and Ulster counties (bar Cavan) don't take part in Junior waters that fact down.

When they participated, Dublin also benefited from the junior championship from a development point of view.  They won it in 2008 with the likes of Jonny Cooper, Denis Bastick, Eoghan O'Gara, Mick Fitzsimons and Darren Daly lining out.  Dean Rock is another current senior player who came in via the juniors.

Dublin complete the semi-final line-up after beating Clare 2-11 to 0-10.  Only one point in it at half-time, but the Dubs eased away in the second half after an early goal.

Dublin v Derry
Kerry v Cavan

The Kerry Junior team is made up only of players who are not playing senior at club level, and it has provided an additional development pathway with several players such as Tadhg Morley and Anthony Maher graduating to the senior panel.