A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

Started by winghalfback, May 27, 2015, 03:16:23 PM

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Rossfan

The North has no future outside either a UK state or an All Ireland entity.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

No wides

By the way by a common Northern Ireland identity do you mean a state independent of UK or the Republic of Ireland, who would pay all those here who work (ahem) who get paid by the British Government as civil servants, this is the most government subsidised place in these islands, if all the civil servants had to get a proper job they wouldn't get past the first interview.  I would suggest you take you head out of the clouds.

T Fearon

No.The constitutional status quo would have to remain for the foreseeable future,but the cohesion brought about by focusing on a new N Irish identity could.lead to economic stability and ultimately financial independence

No wides

Quote from: T Fearon on January 14, 2016, 11:30:21 AM
No.The constitutional status quo would have to remain for the foreseeable future,but the cohesion brought about by focusing on a new N Irish identity could.lead to economic stability and ultimately financial independence

That is a load of horse shite.  Question -  how can you keep the constitutional status quo being totally subsidised by west minister with a huge % of the population looking for a united Ireland and focus on a new N Irish identity?

Keyboard Warrior

Quote from: T Fearon on January 14, 2016, 11:30:21 AM
No.The constitutional status quo would have to remain for the foreseeable future,but the cohesion brought about by focusing on a new N Irish identity could.lead to economic stability and ultimately financial independence

Drivel

general_lee

I don't see how you would go about making people change their ethno-political identity; non more so than Unionists. And you say a United Ireland is pie in the sky!

T Fearon

I am saying the focus should be on a N Irish identity,something like NI21 were trying to do.That way,a large portion of the electorate (50%) who don't currently vote,as they are disillusioned with the failed unionists nationalist political philsophies,might be persuaded to come to the ballot box.

The other option is to maintain the current and bizarre pursuit of total UK integration or the equally delusional notion of Irish unity,neither option wanted by the UK or Irish governments,and both totally unattainable,which fuels divisiveness,tribalism,sectarianism,deprivation and violence.

Applesisapples

Quote from: johnneycool on January 14, 2016, 09:24:16 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 13, 2016, 05:35:52 PM
Trouble is there are 2 'Northern Irish' idenities, not one. I'd say my idea of Northern Irish is different than Jamie Bwyson's.

I can't fathom this 'Northern Irish' identity or cultural thing, but it is something than Unionism is trying to eek out of something from the language of Ulster Scots to the various Orange fest /Somme heritage centres I see popping up all over the place, but it certainly isn't something I can identify with from my upbringing and I'd live hand to glove with some that do.
There has to be an acceptance of both cultures in the north and currently that isn't the case. The establishment is still very much of the unionist variety.
100% correct. Where I grew up our culture games etc are inherently Irish, I see no sign of Unionists embracing Tony's pipe dream of a Northern Irish Identity.

armaghniac

Quote from: T Fearon on January 14, 2016, 06:03:34 PM
I am saying the focus should be on a N Irish identity,something like NI21 were trying to do.That way,a large portion of the electorate (50%) who don't currently vote,as they are disillusioned with the failed unionists nationalist political philsophies,might be persuaded to come to the ballot box.

How is NI21 doing, then. With 50% of potential voters they should do real well.

QuoteThe other option is to maintain the current and bizarre pursuit of total UK integration or the equally delusional notion of Irish unity,neither option wanted by the UK or Irish governments,and both totally unattainable,which fuels divisiveness,tribalism,sectarianism,deprivation and violence.

If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

T Fearon

Yes broken record is right.For 100 years people up here have been trying to make this place as Brotish as Finchley or reunify Ireland.Today both scenarios are further away than ever.What is the point continuing to chase outcomes that are never going to happen?

NI21 were unsuccessful but that doesn't mean their aims weren't admirable

armaghniac

Quote from: T Fearon on January 14, 2016, 06:34:30 PM
Yes broken record is right.For 100 years people up here have been trying to make this place as Brotish as Finchley or reunify Ireland.Today both scenarios are further away than ever.What is the point continuing to chase outcomes that are never going to happen?

Don't be so impatient. The sick sectarian edifice that is Northern Ireland is rotten from the inside, it will not endure.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

T Fearon

They said that 100 yeard ago.Who's.going to end it?.SDLP by retracting their oaths of allegiance to the Queen? Martin or Gerry in between meeting and greeting royals? Surely not the freestate govt? Our good neighbours I heard Bertie say in Newry a couple of months ago as he fretted over a Brexit.

armaghniac

Quote from: T Fearon on January 14, 2016, 08:04:25 PM
They said that 100 yeard ago.Who's.going to end it?.SDLP by retracting their oaths of allegiance to the Queen? Martin or Gerry in between meeting and greeting royals? Surely not the freestate govt? Our good neighbours I heard Bertie say in Newry a couple of months ago as he fretted over a Brexit.

Bertie must have made a powerful impact, you've mentioned it more times than Cross has Armagh championships.
There is no social, political or economic trend favourable to the continued existence of the NI.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

T Fearon

#298
There is no substantial will,North or South for Unity,fact.I am only expressing Bertie's view,which is the representative view of the southern part of this island,I take no pleasure in repeating it.Why keep pining for something that is never going to happen in any of our lifetimes?

Rossfan

Bertiebolox only represents himself and as for the "southern part of this island" ....
I' m not too sure how Munster and South Leinster people feel about Unity.
Round here most people would favour it but it's not something which keeps people from sleeping at night.
However it would help if pro U I parties spelled out what shape they'd see a UI taking and what arrangements would be made for the "Ulster British".
Vague blather about a 32 County Socialist Republic which will never happen is no addition.
Although Gerry did recently say something at a SF thingy in Dundalk along the lines of " A UI may not take the shape most of you think and it may have some devolution to Belfawst ".
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM