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Watching a show here about Treblinka. Scary stuff.  I've always said fact was stranger than fiction. I love watching a really good documentary series. World at War is amazing. Some of the stuff on PBS is great. The series about the history of baseball was unbelievable. I never miss the documentary hour and the curious ear on Radio 1. Anyone ever hear the one about the two lads who blagged their way to Manhattan on their own from Dublin Airport. But the lads at TG4 excel themselves with all sorts of stuff. Laochra Gael, Fearaibh Fionntra, Bibeanna and Scannal. top class.Any other recommendations lads??

Free online movie: Zeitgeist 2: Addendum

This has been hammered as conspiracy theory stuff, but it was made in 2008. You can view its predictions in hindsight and ask yourself, were they right?

http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/zeitgeist2-the-movie-addendum-money-creation-central-banks-and-economic-slavery/ (http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/zeitgeist2-the-movie-addendum-money-creation-central-banks-and-economic-slavery/)

Zeitgiest 1 was ok. The 911 part of it was crap, I thought, but the rest was interesting.

Tabloid by Errol Morris if you want an absolutely bonkers story brilliantly told by one of the great documentary makers of all-time.  Really, watch any Morris film and you're onto a winner.

If you liked the baseball one you will love this one

http://www.pbs.org/civilwar/

Man of Aran. Rip roaring action packed tale of life in Connacht during the Celtic Tiger period.

Just watched 'Pulling John', doc on arm wrestling legend John Brzenk, the Michael Jordan of arm-wrestling. Looks at Brzenk, a middle / heavyweight arm wrestler, unbeaten in years questioning whether he should retire or not and the emergence of two super-heavyweights, one a brash yank, and the other a quiet Russian (2 men mountains, much much bigger than Brzenk)..good show for those who like the old sport documentaries :-)

How the States(US) got their shapes - is a great (entertaining) documentary series on the History channel H2.

Anyone know anywhere to dload some of this stuff. Looking something to watch while relaxing on hols.

Sky on demand has lot of Docs and stuff if you have it.

The ESPN 30 for 30 series are very good, if you like sports documentaries.
'The two Escobars' is excellent as is 'broke'

Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 22, 2014, 06:13:15 PM
Anyone know anywhere to dload some of this stuff. Looking something to watch while relaxing on hols.

Here's the mother of all documentary sites:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/watch-online/ (http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/watch-online/)

Lar, that looks like a class site.

West of Memphis - three teens wrongfully convicted of what authorities described as a "satanic" killing of three young boys in early 90s in small town Arkansas. Documentary focuses on their fight for (still to be received) justice, the support they got leading to their release and explores the original murder case. Absolutely gripping, if harrowing, stuff.

Quote from: gallsman on April 23, 2014, 11:54:46 AM
West of Memphis - three teens wrongfully convicted of what authorities described as a "satanic" killing of three young boys in early 90s in small town Arkansas. Documentary focuses on their fight for (still to be received) justice, the support they got leading to their release and explores the original murder case. Absolutely gripping, if harrowing, stuff.

yeah, i thought this was very good.

Also 'the imposter' about a young spanish homeless guy who pretends to be the missing child of an american family

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Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 22, 2014, 06:13:15 PM
Anyone know anywhere to dload some of this stuff. Looking something to watch while relaxing on hols.

Here's the mother of all documentary sites:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/watch-online/ (http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/watch-online/)

Nice one, will have a look at that when I get a chance.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 23, 2014, 11:40:12 AM

Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 22, 2014, 06:13:15 PM
Anyone know anywhere to dload some of this stuff. Looking something to watch while relaxing on hols.

Here's the mother of all documentary sites:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/watch-online/ (http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/watch-online/)

Thanks sir.

Rough Rider
Documentary following journalist Paul Kimmage, a former cyclist who was the first to spill the beans about doping in the sport

Tonight | RTÉ One | 9.35pm

Who would have thought there was doping in cycling?? Wow.

Excellent show!

Great show! Kimmage is a strange one, he seems to love to be hated. His wife seems like a nice woman.

Quite depressing... The whole thing seems to have consumed him.

Interesting viewing though.

Ah, you can understand Kimmage and his disillusionment! The lad grew up in the sport, went on to compete with the best and seen it's corruption. He has cycling in his DNA. You could see it in his face in the documentary. He loves the damn sport. He seems to be a loner. His stance has cost him, sporting colleagues, journalist colleagues,  and even looked to have affected his relationship with close friends and family. He really took on an international pillar of the sport in Armstrong. And local heroes such as Roache and Kelly, who you can see he still has affection for. Truth and Principals come at a cost. On a final note he has one foul mouth on him for cursing (I must be getting old!).

You have to admire the man, but I still think he's a bit of a bollix. Thought he came across as quite mellow in this compared to some of his stuff that I've read, some of his tweets would make you wince, how he sometimes manages to squeeze so much venom into 140 characters is a feat in itself.

Yeah he came across as a grumpy bollix who will never really be at peace with cycling. Is that his fault or cyclings? Probably a bit of both at this stage.

As his brother said he's probably lost that bit of happiness through his experiences with Cycling as a pro and subsequently through his journalism since then. I would blame cycling more for it though as his intentions seem good.

Very interesting show now. I loved the bit where the wife was giving off to him about Froome being a nice lad!

I actually thought he came across as less grumpy in this than normally, on the radio he is such a contrary bollix

It was sad seeing him the grandstand looking down at roche, he just seemed lonely there with the other cyclists, an outcast I suppose but then this is the price hes paid

The froome bit was funny

I actually thought that was a reasonable amount of cursing.......yikes!

Just watched "Undefeated", a documentary about the Manasas Tigers, a high-school football team, from a disadvantaged part of Memphis. It's powerful stuff and had me welling up in a couple of parts. The all African-American team is coached voluntarily by a white businessman named Bill Courtney, who comes across as a truly great man, and works relentlessly to help his players to become better people.

This is a very interesting RTE radio doc about Champions League team Shakhtar Donetsk and the war in Ukraine

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/2014/1008/650902-bombs-balls-and-beyonce/

Quote from: Asal Mor on November 06, 2014, 04:07:51 AM
Just watched "Undefeated", a documentary about the Manasas Tigers, a high-school football team, from a disadvantaged part of Memphis. It's powerful stuff and had me welling up in a couple of parts. The all African-American team is coached voluntarily by a white businessman named Bill Courtney, who comes across as a truly great man, and works relentlessly to help his players to become better people.

Watched it a few months ago, really enjoyed it.

Really enjoyed this Storyville documentary about James 'The Amazing' Randi and his life's work including debunking 'faith healers' and 'psychics' like Uri Geller and Peter Popoff.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04ndsb3

Quote from: screenexile on November 06, 2014, 09:41:04 AM
Really enjoyed this Storyville documentary about James 'The Amazing' Randi and his life's work including debunking 'faith healers' and 'psychics' like Uri Geller and Peter Popoff.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04ndsb3 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04ndsb3)

Thanks for that screenexile. I wasn't aware of that documentary.I recommend the JREF (http://web.randi.org/),  Randi's Blog (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/223987.James_Randi/blog) and Skeptoid (http://skeptoid.com/) to anyone interested in opposing quackery, superstition and scams against the vulnerable and the gullible.

"The Homeopathic A&E" from the Mitchell and Webb sketch show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0

Will check out some of those documentaries.

Quote from: screenexile on November 06, 2014, 09:41:04 AM
Really enjoyed this Storyville documentary about James 'The Amazing' Randi and his life's work including debunking 'faith healers' and 'psychics' like Uri Geller and Peter Popoff.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04ndsb3

Just watching it now. Excellent. Peter Popoff was something else.

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/2014/1107/657531-con-carey-brosna-kerry-twelve-apostles/

Amazing story.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXr-2hwTk58

'The Internet's own boy' about Aaron Swartz. Could be worth a watch for those interested in the power of the Internet and the fear that it seems to instil within the American Government.

Quote from: 5 Sams on November 16, 2014, 07:37:56 PM
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/2014/1107/657531-con-carey-brosna-kerry-twelve-apostles/

Amazing story.

Brilliant Sams. Must check the back catalogue for other gems like this one.

The Tale of Gatti-Ward

Documentary on the Arturo Thunder Gatti/Irish Micky Ward trilogy. Reckoned to contain some of the best rounds of boxing ever witnessed.
Excellent documentary, covering the fights and the aftermath. Very sad at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UViOdXG7eGc&feature=youtu.be

Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on November 18, 2014, 10:54:47 PM
The Tale of Gatti-Ward

Documentary on the Arturo Thunder Gatti/Irish Micky Ward trilogy. Reckoned to contain some of the best rounds of boxing ever witnessed.
Excellent documentary, covering the fights and the aftermath. Very sad at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UViOdXG7eGc&feature=youtu.be

Agree BBB. Fascinating stuff with a very sad ending.

The story of The Undertones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0XCkrloumE

Everyone should see the documentary called Fed Up. Its excellent.

Watched a documentary last night on TG4 about the making of the film Moby Dick in Cork back in the day. Excellent, made better by the fact I just chanced on it while channel hopping.

Part of a series which I am now taping.

I have to say they are some channel for those type of programmes.

There's a reportedly fantastic documentary about the drug war called Cartel Land out there. If anyone knows where to get a copy, I'd be much obliged.

Quote from: gallsman on October 12, 2015, 02:09:14 PM
There's a reportedly fantastic documentary about the drug war called Cartel Land out there. If anyone knows where to get a copy, I'd be much obliged.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cartel-Land-DVD-Kathryn-Bigelow/dp/B011LLEA7K

Quote from: 5 Sams on October 12, 2015, 03:26:43 PM

Quote from: gallsman on October 12, 2015, 02:09:14 PM
There's a reportedly fantastic documentary about the drug war called Cartel Land out there. If anyone knows where to get a copy, I'd be much obliged.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cartel-Land-DVD-Kathryn-Bigelow/dp/B011LLEA7K

An, ahem, gratis copy...

Quote from: gallsman on October 12, 2015, 03:55:45 PM

Quote from: 5 Sams on October 12, 2015, 03:26:43 PM

Quote from: gallsman on October 12, 2015, 02:09:14 PM
There's a reportedly fantastic documentary about the drug war called Cartel Land out there. If anyone knows where to get a copy, I'd be much obliged.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cartel-Land-DVD-Kathryn-Bigelow/dp/B011LLEA7K

An, ahem, gratis copy...

It's a tenner you miserable hoor. What about the ongoing war on copyright enfringement ;)

Who even has a DVD player these days ffs. Luddites all over the place.

Cartel Land on now on BBC4.

Ha, what a coincidence. Travelling with work this week so downloaded a few things to watch, this amongst them. Brilliant show.

What's it about might watch it

Cartels?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/articles/5daf4b18-52bf-4fd7-892d-e858e39c76e9

All of those 30 for 30 docs were excellent, Catching Hell was a particular favourite of mine..

Quote from: Boycey on December 03, 2015, 09:37:22 AM
All of those 30 for 30 docs were excellent, Catching Hell was a particular favourite of mine..

Aye, they're a fantastic series. The ones on Bo Jackson and the SMU Mustangs professionalism scandals were two of my favourites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZXjUqLMgxM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZXjUqLMgxM)

The 2000 Year-Old Computer - Decoding the Antikythera Mechanism (2012)

Amazing story of a computer built in Ancient Greece. It used gears to accurately predict celestial events, including eclipses, the changing orbit of the moon (this wasn't understood until Keppler and then Newton) and probably the planets, despite the massive handicap of believing that everything revolved around the earth.

It appears our technological advances weren't always in one direction. This knowledge disappeared for a long period, certainly in the 'west'.

Quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZXjUqLMgxM

The 2000 Year-Old Computer - Decoding the Antikythera Mechanism (2012)

Amazing story of a computer built in Ancient Greece. It used gears to accurately predict celestial events, including eclipses, the changing orbit of the moon (this wasn't understood until Keppler and then Newton) and probably the planets, despite the massive handicap of believing that everything revolved around the earth.

It appears our technological advances weren't always in one direction. This knowledge disappeared for a long period, certainly in the 'west'.

Great shout Muppet. Fantastic programme

Never watch documentaries as would rather watch a film or tv show, but been bored this week and watched Mr Calzaghe which was decent and watched Back In Time last night which was interesting.  Always wanted to see The Notorious documentary and was lucky to see that it was on last night and tonight so have them set to record.

Quote from: nrico2006 on December 10, 2015, 01:09:46 PM
Never watch documentaries as would rather watch a film or tv show, but been bored this week and watched Mr Calzaghe which was decent and watched Back In Time last night which was interesting.  Always wanted to see The Notorious documentary and was lucky to see that it was on last night and tonight so have them set to record.

Do you ever go outside?

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Quote from: nrico2006 on December 10, 2015, 01:09:46 PM
Never watch documentaries as would rather watch a film or tv show, but been bored this week and watched Mr Calzaghe which was decent and watched Back In Time last night which was interesting.  Always wanted to see The Notorious documentary and was lucky to see that it was on last night and tonight so have them set to record.

Do you ever go outside?

Not much to do outside from half 9/10 onwards.

Great documentary on Sky Atlantic last night, The Fall, about Zola Budd and Mary Decker... Hard to believe its 32 years ago, I always though Budd was horribly treated she was a very young girl when it happened and had all sorts of venom poured towards her as if she was somehow responsible for apartheid.

Heres the back story if anyones not aware of it. It really was a huge deal back then.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/32-years-after-that-olympic-fall-mary-decker-and-zola-budd-make/

Watched a good documentary from America. All or Nothing: A season with the Arizona Cardinals. 8 episodes long and on Amazon Prime. I like those behind the scenes type shows.

I love Neil DeGrasse Tyson's Cosmos.

Quote from: muppet on July 30, 2016, 03:58:40 PM
I love Neil DeGrasse Tyson's Cosmos.

The science explanations are excellent, really great show watched it a couple of time now.
But he really should leave the politics out of it

Quote from: JimStynes on July 30, 2016, 11:16:36 AM
Watched a good documentary from America. All or Nothing: A season with the Arizona Cardinals. 8 episodes long and on Amazon Prime. I like those behind the scenes type shows.

Something similar on netflix. "Last Chance U". America football college team i believe.  I'm yet to watch it but the trailer looks decent.

Quote from: JimStynes on July 30, 2016, 11:16:36 AM
Watched a good documentary from America. All or Nothing: A season with the Arizona Cardinals. 8 episodes long and on Amazon Prime. I like those behind the scenes type shows.

Any links Jim sounds interesting

Any other decent sports documentaries on Netflix? Watched one there about NHL Enforcers and how important they were to their teams.  Can't think of the name of it now,  but those guys were nuts, and a lot of them had mental health and addiction problems after leaving the sport.

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Quote from: JimStynes on July 30, 2016, 11:16:36 AM
Watched a good documentary from America. All or Nothing: A season with the Arizona Cardinals. 8 episodes long and on Amazon Prime. I like those behind the scenes type shows.

Any links Jim sounds interesting

Amazon prime. Torrents.

If you haven't signed up for free trial of prime, you can get a month for free and will have access to all their video content.

Watched one about Pable Escobar a while back. A true inspiration to us all

God Bless

Last Chance U is absolutely excellent, just released on Netflix a few days ago. Scooba, Mississippi reminds of a lot the rural counties in Ireland.

When are they going to make a documentary about the fella who sold $15 golf ball finders to the Brits in Iraq as bomb detectors for £10k a pop?    ;D. He definitely deserves some recognition. 

Hillary's America is some watch boys, loved it.

Quote from: Syferus on August 01, 2016, 11:30:00 PM
Last Chance U is absolutely excellent, just released on Netflix a few days ago. Scooba, Mississippi reminds of a lot the rural counties in Ireland.

Finished watching it last night, really good watch i enjoyed it and it uncovers a lot of what goes on at that level of sport in america especially the fact that most of the guys dont want to be there and only want to play football and the struggle the teachers and staff go through to get them on the field. Would love to see a documentary following players who didn't make the NFL but fell back on the education they gained even though at the time it wasn't appreciated.

http://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/996/111959/1/ (http://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/996/111959/1/)

Breaking Boundaries - was on TV3 last night about the son of a friend of mine who broke his neck - inspirational stuff

Inside job
The global financial meltdown that took place in Fall 2008 caused millions of job and home losses and plunged the United States into a deep economic recession. Matt Damon narrates a documentary that provides a detailed examination of the elements that led to the collapse and identifies keys financial and political players...

One of the best documentaries I've seen .. Watched the Big Short again and made so much more sense.

Quote from: leenie on August 04, 2016, 01:12:56 PM
Inside job
The global financial meltdown that took place in Fall 2008 caused millions of job and home losses and plunged the United States into a deep economic recession. Matt Damon narrates a documentary that provides a detailed examination of the elements that led to the collapse and identifies keys financial and political players...

One of the best documentaries I've seen .. Watched the Big Short again and made so much more sense.

Watched it a few months ago. Incredibly depressing that it was done five years ago and nothing has changed at all. The American government is in bed with Wall St so nothing will change anytime soon. Really liked the interviewer within the piece. Stuck it to a few of the idiots he was talking too. Especially the guy towards the end who said he had three minutes left once he started to ask the hard questions.

Interesting that they used Elliot Spritzer. He's had his own sticky situations with prostitutes and campaign funds back in the day. Spoke well enough though. Has got me in the mood for the new Anthony Weiner documentary that promises to be a car crash.

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Quote from: Syferus on August 01, 2016, 11:30:00 PM
Last Chance U is absolutely excellent, just released on Netflix a few days ago. Scooba, Mississippi reminds of a lot the rural counties in Ireland.

Finished watching it last night, really good watch i enjoyed it and it uncovers a lot of what goes on at that level of sport in america especially the fact that most of the guys dont want to be there and only want to play football and the struggle the teachers and staff go through to get them on the field. Would love to see a documentary following players who didn't make the NFL but fell back on the education they gained even though at the time it wasn't appreciated.

Brilliant lads. Loved every second of it.

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Quote from: themac_23 on August 02, 2016, 09:33:40 AM

Quote from: Syferus on August 01, 2016, 11:30:00 PM
Last Chance U is absolutely excellent, just released on Netflix a few days ago. Scooba, Mississippi reminds of a lot the rural counties in Ireland.

Finished watching it last night, really good watch i enjoyed it and it uncovers a lot of what goes on at that level of sport in america especially the fact that most of the guys dont want to be there and only want to play football and the struggle the teachers and staff go through to get them on the field. Would love to see a documentary following players who didn't make the NFL but fell back on the education they gained even though at the time it wasn't appreciated.

Brilliant lads. Loved every second of it.

3 episodes in and really enjoying it - thanks for the recommendation on here.

Going to a Tulane Green Wave game next month so getting in the college football mood.

Quote from: omaghjoe on July 31, 2016, 05:27:46 AM

Quote from: muppet on July 30, 2016, 03:58:40 PM
I love Neil DeGrasse Tyson's Cosmos.

The science explanations are excellent, really great show watched it a couple of time now.
But he really should leave the politics out of it

Carl Sagan's original didn't back away from politics either, and I think it worked well for both iterations of the show. Sagan made a point or lamenting that every newspaper has a horoscope section but not necessarily a science section, and how many resources are dedicated to war compared to peaceful research. If military budgets were spent instead on space exploration we'd be a lot better off and probably halfway to the nearest star by now.

Great little YouTube channel here, Tom Scott:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBa659QWEk1AI4Tg--mrJ2A (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBa659QWEk1AI4Tg--mrJ2A)  Nice little three-minute shorts called Things you Might Not Know. Very informative, always interesting, always something unusual, off-the-beaten-path stuff, and well put together.

Geography Now is a great way to learn about the countries of the world. He's working his way up the alphabet, so the early A countries are a bit rough. But interesting and well put together. Gets a few things wrong (like pronunciations) but still worth subscribing:

https://www.youtube.com/user/GeographyNow (https://www.youtube.com/user/GeographyNow)

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 06, 2016, 05:39:16 AM

Quote from: omaghjoe on July 31, 2016, 05:27:46 AM

Quote from: muppet on July 30, 2016, 03:58:40 PM
I love Neil DeGrasse Tyson's Cosmos.

The science explanations are excellent, really great show watched it a couple of time now.
But he really should leave the politics out of it

Carl Sagan's original didn't back away from politics either, and I think it worked well for both iterations of the show. Sagan made a point or lamenting that every newspaper has a horoscope section but not necessarily a science section, and how many resources are dedicated to war compared to peaceful research. If military budgets were spent instead on space exploration we'd be a lot better off and probably halfway to the nearest star by now.

f**k off you absolute ballix!

Halfway to the nearest star my star, it is too far away, wars stink but come on, we will not be near halfway to the nearest star for a couple of hundred years if even then.

The scenario imagines no resources wasted on military endeavors, which means our technology would have kept on evolving from the classical era and no dark ages to interrupt it. Industrialization could have happened long before it did.

The nearest star is about 4.3 light years away. If we set off in about 1000AD we'd have made good progress by now.

OJ : Made in America, just finished the ESPN five part documentary. Brilliant stuff.

That jury was a disgrace  :(

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 06, 2016, 07:04:16 PM
The scenario imagines no resources wasted on military endeavors, which means our technology would have kept on evolving from the classical era and no dark ages to interrupt it. Industrialization could have happened long before it did.

The nearest star is about 4.3 light years away. If we set off in about 1000AD we'd have made good progress by now.

In what, a chariot?  :D

Military endeavours produced everything from the telescope to the rockets.

Projet Longshot could get us to Alpha centuri in 100 years if there was the will to do it. Thing is within a liberal democracy we would probably need a massive amount of propaganda to allow funding for it. The type that is only really generated within the context of a war or threat of war.

Not to mention that the technology it would use would be nuclear fission....how did we come by that again?

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Quote from: JimStynes on July 30, 2016, 11:16:36 AM
Watched a good documentary from America. All or Nothing: A season with the Arizona Cardinals. 8 episodes long and on Amazon Prime. I like those behind the scenes type shows.

Something similar on netflix. "Last Chance U". America football college team i believe.  I'm yet to watch it but the trailer looks decent.

Good call really enjoyed it

Quote from: Minder on August 06, 2016, 09:36:33 PM
OJ : Made in America, just finished the ESPN five part documentary. Brilliant stuff.

That jury was a disgrace  :(

Second episode in ... It's v good , mental stuff ,



Good recommendations here ..

The 13th .. it's on Netflix

13TH is a 2016 American documentary by director Ava DuVernay. Centered on race in the United States criminal justice system, the film is titled after the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution which theoretically outlawed slavery. DuVernay's documentary argues that slavery is being perpetuated, however, through mass incarceration.

13TH has garnered acclaim from film critics.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 06, 2016, 07:04:16 PM
The scenario imagines no resources wasted on military endeavors, which means our technology would have kept on evolving from the classical era and no dark ages to interrupt it. Industrialization could have happened long before it did.

The nearest star is about 4.3 light years away. If we set off in about 1000AD we'd have made good progress by now.

our nearest star is the sun

The interesting documentary on the withdrawal from Saigon is on RTE now. Catch it on the player if you are interested.

Quote from: armaghniac on December 28, 2016, 02:21:24 AM
The interesting documentary on the withdrawal from Saigon is on RTE now. Catch it on the player if you are interested.

I watched that myself. Was a very honest account of the final hours, and the footage was incredible.

Well worth viewing on catch up....

Quote from: give her dixie on December 28, 2016, 09:27:14 PM

Quote from: armaghniac on December 28, 2016, 02:21:24 AM
The interesting documentary on the withdrawal from Saigon is on RTE now. Catch it on the player if you are interested.

I watched that myself. Was a very honest account of the final hours, and the footage was incredible.

Interesting footage from many perspectives. If you want to nit pick then perhaps a North Vietnamese perspective would have been interesting, no doubt they were happy to let troublemakers just leave.
Vietnam is definitely on the radar for a visit.

Quote from: armaghniac on December 28, 2016, 09:46:45 PM

Quote from: give her dixie on December 28, 2016, 09:27:14 PM

Quote from: armaghniac on December 28, 2016, 02:21:24 AM
The interesting documentary on the withdrawal from Saigon is on RTE now. Catch it on the player if you are interested.

I watched that myself. Was a very honest account of the final hours, and the footage was incredible.

Interesting footage from many perspectives. If you want to nit pick then perhaps a North Vietnamese perspective would have been interesting, no doubt they were happy to let troublemakers just leave.
Vietnam is definitely on the radar for a visit.

Footage from the detention centres would have been fairly horrific too.

Like yourself, Vietnam is high on my travel plans. Inside 2 years I hope

Very enjoyable show on RTE 2 at the present on Panti........

"Queen Of Ireland"

Quote from: give her dixie on December 28, 2016, 11:41:35 PM
Very enjoyable show on RTE 2 at the present on Panti........

"Queen Of Ireland"

I hope No Wides isn't watching - he'll either have a heart attack or an erection if he sees it.

Or both.

And to top it off. I turn on RTE 1 and they have a special on the "Queen Of Country" ,
our very own Philomena Begley.....

Anyone else hear the documentary on Butlins in Mosney this evening on Newstalk. Fascinating...loads of memories

Bridgend, about the suicides

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6wr6QRtZg8

Just watched 1945: A Savage Peace, it's about the treatment of ethnic Germans after WWII, makes for a very interesting untold story

Anyone else watching The Keepers on Netflix. Harrowing stuff >:(

Quote from: macdanger2 on May 27, 2017, 11:42:52 PM
Just watched 1945: A Savage Peace, it's about the treatment of ethnic Germans after WWII, makes for a very interesting untold story

Did you ever see this six hour documentary https://youtu.be/3HWxKahieBY well worth a watch.

Quote from: 5 Sams on May 28, 2017, 06:18:27 PM
Anyone else watching The Keepers on Netflix. Harrowing stuff >:(

Mentioned it on tv recommendations thread - think it's a must watch... you couldn't even make it up.


What you make of fr Gerry ?

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Quote from: macdanger2 on May 27, 2017, 11:42:52 PM
Just watched 1945: A Savage Peace, it's about the treatment of ethnic Germans after WWII, makes for a very interesting untold story

Did you ever see this six hour documentary https://youtu.be/3HWxKahieBY well worth a watch.

Ive heard great things about this but never watched it. I suppose I should make a point of it.

Isnt it banned in a ton of countries also?

What did you think?

Quote from: omaghjoe on May 29, 2017, 08:32:31 PM

Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on May 29, 2017, 02:06:45 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on May 27, 2017, 11:42:52 PM
Just watched 1945: A Savage Peace, it's about the treatment of ethnic Germans after WWII, makes for a very interesting untold story

Did you ever see this six hour documentary https://youtu.be/3HWxKahieBY well worth a watch.

Ive heard great things about this but never watched it. I suppose I should make a point of it.

Isnt it banned in a ton of countries also?

What did you think?

Omagh Joe I thought it was the best documentary i ever seen. When you see whats happening in the world today you can see how its related. You won't be disappointed you will also see how much we've been lied too.

Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on May 29, 2017, 10:11:38 PM

Quote from: omaghjoe on May 29, 2017, 08:32:31 PM

Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on May 29, 2017, 02:06:45 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on May 27, 2017, 11:42:52 PM
Just watched 1945: A Savage Peace, it's about the treatment of ethnic Germans after WWII, makes for a very interesting untold story

Did you ever see this six hour documentary https://youtu.be/3HWxKahieBY well worth a watch.

Ive heard great things about this but never watched it. I suppose I should make a point of it.

Isnt it banned in a ton of countries also?

What did you think?

Omagh Joe I thought it was the best documentary i ever seen. When you see whats happening in the world today you can see how its related. You won't be disappointed you will also see how much we've been lied too.

Yeah well I figured that out a wile back sort of apprehensive about hearing this perspective as I know I wont be able to help myself if it comes up in conversation, and its so faux pax to show anything that deviates from the consensus on the events of WW2, probably even more so here in the US.

I discovered if you make an argument that goes against the grain you're better stressing you're points in increments. Some times if you overwhelm people with new information they can get very defensive. Just my own experience.

When you get a chance to watch the show Id be interested to see what you think.

Germany never officially surrendered at the end of world war two. It is still under occupation their leader Angela Merkel is a huge Zionist.

I have lived in the US now for quite a while so I know the craic. But what I could never understand is how so many German Americans could take part in the total destruction of their home land.

Where are you going with this, lads?

This forum.

Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on May 29, 2017, 11:22:19 PM
I discovered if you make an argument that goes against the grain you're better stressing you're points in increments. Some times if you overwhelm people with new information they can get very defensive. Just my own experience.

When you get a chance to watch the show Id be interested to see what you think.

Germany never officially surrendered at the end of world war two. It is still under occupation their leader Angela Merkel is a huge Zionist.

I have lived in the US now for quite a while so I know the craic. But what I could never understand is how so many German Americans could take part in the total destruction of their home land.

TBH your not enticing me to watch it with those last two sentences, Ive read good seemingly fair reviews but it also seems to attract the favourability of certain doctrine that should be irrelevant.

But I'll say no more until I get around to watching it, especially with Hardy policing the thread

Quote from: 5 Sams on May 28, 2017, 06:18:27 PM
Anyone else watching The Keepers on Netflix. Harrowing stuff >:(

2.5 Episodes in - tough listening to that stuff but well put together.

Just watched the documentary "Free to Rock" on PBS.

It showcased Rock n Roll and cultural diplomacy during the cold war with the Soviet Union and the West from the 50's to today. Special appearance by Gorbachev.

Some fascinating characters from the old Soviet Union who are still rocking today.

More info here at www.freetorockmovie.com

Watched a very interesting series on Auschwitz on Netflix (BBC production, I think).

Goes through, step by step, the development of the death camp and the evolution of what became "the final solution" and industrialized slaughter. Like how some SS middle manager happened to notice how zyklon B, which was being used to fumigate buildings for pests, could be harnessed for mass murder. Or how the use of asphyxiation was developed in order to "spare" the lower ranked men the trauma of having to physically shoot so many people. The poor Sonnerkommandos. Eichmann and Hoess. Fascinating stuff, in very disturbing way. You look at those photos of those little kids and try to imagine what is going through the minds of their parents holding them as they finally realize what is about to happen...

Cheers J70. Going to Auschwitz in 3 weeks so will definitely watch this beforehand.

Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 01, 2017, 11:45:24 AM
Cheers J70. Going to Auschwitz in 3 weeks so will definitely watch this beforehand.

No problem.

Link: https://www.netflix.com/title/70213112 (https://www.netflix.com/title/70213112)

Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 01, 2017, 11:45:24 AM
Cheers J70. Going to Auschwitz in 3 weeks so will definitely watch this beforehand.

We went to Terezin/Theresienstadt a few years ago. It's fascinating in a harrowing way. Afterwards, you feel so drained leaving, like all emotion has been sucked out of you and you're just in a complete state of shock. Well worth doing, but my tip would be go prepared for an experience like no other. At some point we'd like to go to Auschwitz, if like is the right word, but I'd imagine it's even tougher.

Quote from: J70 on July 01, 2017, 11:34:57 AM
Watched a very interesting series on Auschwitz on Netflix (BBC production, I think).

Goes through, step by step, the development of the death camp and the evolution of what became "the final solution" and industrialized slaughter. Like how some SS middle manager happened to notice how zyklon B, which was being used to fumigate buildings for pests, could be harnessed for mass murder. Or how the use of asphyxiation was developed in order to "spare" the lower ranked men the trauma of having to physically shoot so many people. The poor Sonnerkommandos. Eichmann and Hoess. Fascinating stuff, in very disturbing way. You look at those photos of those little kids and try to imagine what is going through the minds of their parents holding them as they finally realize what is about to happen...

Unfortunately there is also a continual need to produce excellent investigative programs like Auschwitz as a precise reference to counteract the flow of  non-evidenced based propaganda of the likes of the 'highly acclaimed' documentary maker Dennis Wise, a holocaust denier who stated,  "there exists no policy, written or otherwise, regarding the alleged mass extermination of the Jews and that there were no homicidal gas chambers in any of the camps".

Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2017, 12:04:28 PM

Quote from: J70 on July 01, 2017, 11:34:57 AM
Watched a very interesting series on Auschwitz on Netflix (BBC production, I think).

Goes through, step by step, the development of the death camp and the evolution of what became "the final solution" and industrialized slaughter. Like how some SS middle manager happened to notice how zyklon B, which was being used to fumigate buildings for pests, could be harnessed for mass murder. Or how the use of asphyxiation was developed in order to "spare" the lower ranked men the trauma of having to physically shoot so many people. The poor Sonnerkommandos. Eichmann and Hoess. Fascinating stuff, in very disturbing way. You look at those photos of those little kids and try to imagine what is going through the minds of their parents holding them as they finally realize what is about to happen...

Unfortunately there is also a continual need to produce excellent investigative programs like Auschwitz as a precise reference to counteract the flow of  non-evidenced based propaganda of the likes of the 'highly acclaimed' documentary maker Dennis Wise, a holocaust denier who stated,  "there exists no policy, written or otherwise, regarding the alleged mass extermination of the Jews and that there were no homicidal gas chambers in any of the camps".

It is worrying. And its only going to get worse in the age of "alternative facts" and the denunciation of anything critical or inconvenient as "fake news".

Quote from: Kilkevan on July 01, 2017, 12:01:34 PM

Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 01, 2017, 11:45:24 AM
Cheers J70. Going to Auschwitz in 3 weeks so will definitely watch this beforehand.

We went to Terezin/Theresienstadt a few years ago. It's fascinating in a harrowing way. Afterwards, you feel so drained leaving, like all emotion has been sucked out of you and you're just in a complete state of shock. Well worth doing, but my tip would be go prepared for an experience like no other. At some point we'd like to go to Auschwitz, if like is the right word, but I'd imagine it's even tougher.

About 22 years ago when driving towards Munich, on the spur of the moment we took the exit to Dachau, ended up in the middle of the town. I parked the car, got out and asked for directions to the concentration camp. Wo ist das Koncentration Kamp? nothing, everybody I asked expressed puzzlement. Getting exasperated, I found some young citizens who understood some english. I said 'Dachau, Dachau, the whole world knows Dachau for only one thing',  'Die Juden' 'kommunists'  and simulated choking. Finally a recognition came (ach so) and a smile and I was directed to the road out of town where I found the road sign (hidden behind a long tree branch), not for a concentration camp  but some very long german word. We got to the front gate of the camp and found it closed for the day, it was closed on Mondays. I did climb up on the wall and walk around on top for a bit of a gander, the huge complex looked to be well preserved.
Later on I found out that gas wasn't used in Dachau to kill the incarcerated, I suppose that's beside the point.

Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2017, 12:42:35 PM

Quote from: Kilkevan on July 01, 2017, 12:01:34 PM

Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 01, 2017, 11:45:24 AM
Cheers J70. Going to Auschwitz in 3 weeks so will definitely watch this beforehand.

We went to Terezin/Theresienstadt a few years ago. It's fascinating in a harrowing way. Afterwards, you feel so drained leaving, like all emotion has been sucked out of you and you're just in a complete state of shock. Well worth doing, but my tip would be go prepared for an experience like no other. At some point we'd like to go to Auschwitz, if like is the right word, but I'd imagine it's even tougher.

About 22 years ago when driving towards Munich, on the spur of the moment we took the exit to Dachau, ended up in the middle of the town. I parked the car, got out and asked for directions to the concentration camp. Wo ist das Koncentration Kamp? nothing, everybody I asked expressed puzzlement. Getting exasperated, I found some young citizens who understood some english. I said 'Dachau, Dachau, the whole world knows Dachau for only one thing',  'Die Juden' 'kommunists'  and simulated choking. Finally a recognition came (ach so) and a smile and I was directed to the road out of town where I found the road sign (hidden behind a long tree branch), not for a concentration camp  but some very long german word. We got to the front gate of the camp and found it closed for the day, it was closed on Mondays. I did climb up on the wall and walk around on top for a bit of a gander, the huge complex looked to be well preserved.
Later on I found out that gas wasn't used in Dachau to kill the incarcerated, I suppose that's beside the point.

Terezin (Theresienstadt) didn't use gas either but in a certain way was even more macabre. During a Red Cross visit in 1944 and also in a propaganda film, Theresienstadt was portrayed as a model Jewish settlement set up by the Nazis. That it was a holding concentration camp for people before they were sent to extermination camps and that tens of thousands died there from malnutrition, mistreatment or disease comes as no surprise but the fact that the Nazis set it up as something approaching a holiday camp for propaganda purposes shows the lengths they went to to hide the truth.

Out of interest, what was Dachau like as a town? Terezin was, I can only say, strange. As if a dark cloud was over the town that never lifts but other than the museum and the concentration camp there isn't really anything there so there's nothing to take away the gloom I guess.

Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on May 29, 2017, 11:22:19 PM
I discovered if you make an argument that goes against the grain you're better stressing you're points in increments. Some times if you overwhelm people with new information they can get very defensive. Just my own experience.

When you get a chance to watch the show Id be interested to see what you think.

Germany never officially surrendered at the end of world war two. It is still under occupation their leader Angela Merkel is a huge Zionist.

I have lived in the US now for quite a while so I know the craic. But what I could never understand is how so many German Americans could take part in the total destruction of their home land.

Was this not official ?

"On 30 April 1945, after the death of Adolf Hitler and in accordance with Hitler's last will and testament, Dönitz was named Hitler's successor as head of state, with the title of President of Germany and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces. On 7 May 1945, he ordered Alfred Jodl, Chief of Operations Staff of the OKW, to sign the German instruments of surrender in Reims, France.[3] Dönitz remained as head of the Flensburg Government, as it became known, until it was dissolved by the Allied powers on 23 May".

Quote from: Kilkevan on July 01, 2017, 01:01:42 PM

Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2017, 12:42:35 PM

Quote from: Kilkevan on July 01, 2017, 12:01:34 PM

Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 01, 2017, 11:45:24 AM
Cheers J70. Going to Auschwitz in 3 weeks so will definitely watch this beforehand.

We went to Terezin/Theresienstadt a few years ago. It's fascinating in a harrowing way. Afterwards, you feel so drained leaving, like all emotion has been sucked out of you and you're just in a complete state of shock. Well worth doing, but my tip would be go prepared for an experience like no other. At some point we'd like to go to Auschwitz, if like is the right word, but I'd imagine it's even tougher.

About 22 years ago when driving towards Munich, on the spur of the moment we took the exit to Dachau, ended up in the middle of the town. I parked the car, got out and asked for directions to the concentration camp. Wo ist das Koncentration Kamp? nothing, everybody I asked expressed puzzlement. Getting exasperated, I found some young citizens who understood some english. I said 'Dachau, Dachau, the whole world knows Dachau for only one thing',  'Die Juden' 'kommunists'  and simulated choking. Finally a recognition came (ach so) and a smile and I was directed to the road out of town where I found the road sign (hidden behind a long tree branch), not for a concentration camp  but some very long german word. We got to the front gate of the camp and found it closed for the day, it was closed on Mondays. I did climb up on the wall and walk around on top for a bit of a gander, the huge complex looked to be well preserved.
Later on I found out that gas wasn't used in Dachau to kill the incarcerated, I suppose that's beside the point.

Terezin (Theresienstadt) didn't use gas either but in a certain way was even more macabre. During a Red Cross visit in 1944 and also in a propaganda film, Theresienstadt was portrayed as a model Jewish settlement set up by the Nazis. That it was a holding concentration camp for people before they were sent to extermination camps and that tens of thousands died there from malnutrition, mistreatment or disease comes as no surprise but the fact that the Nazis set it up as something approaching a holiday camp for propaganda purposes shows the lengths they went to to hide the truth.

Out of interest, what was Dachau like as a town? Terezin was, I can only say, strange. As if a dark cloud was over the town that never lifts but other than the museum and the concentration camp there isn't really anything there so there's nothing to take away the gloom I guess.

It was all sunshine in the centre of Dachau town, yet  another rich german town, bustling and content.
You wouldn't get the foggiest notion that this was the home for the notorious Dachau concentration camp.
The concentration camp itself was a complete antithesis to the town, nazi brown walls and buildings, completely empty, eerie is the word, not a living soul inside when I had a look from the wall.

Superb documentary tonight about Johnny Giles on @rte....he needs a few lessons on Amhrán na bhFiann though..😬

Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2017, 08:12:29 PM
It was all sunshine in the centre of Dachau town, yet  another rich german town, bustling and content.
You wouldn't get the foggiest notion that this was the home for the notorious Dachau concentration camp.
The concentration camp itself was a complete antithesis to the town, nazi brown walls and buildings, completely empty, eerie is the word, not a living soul inside when I had a look from the wall.

I've been in Auschwitz, Dachau and Madjanek. They are all a bit different, in that Dachau was there much longer, Auschwitz was on an industrial scale. Majdanek is in Lublin in Poland and is well preserved, as the Russians arrived before they could blow it up. It was always on the edge of town, but now the city surrounds it with apartments overlooking it. Of course many local Catholic Poles ended up there also, it wasn't like Dachau. 

Quote from: 5 Sams on July 03, 2017, 10:38:16 PM
Superb documentary tonight about Johnny Giles on @rte....he needs a few lessons on Amhrán na bhFiann though..😬

Rather odd ending.

ELEVEN MILLION Germans
Were Murdered AFTER WWII
By Richard K. Mariani
5-10-9

The book "Gruesome Harvest," should be on the mandatory highschool and college reading list for history and sociology.

It is one of the few books that are available in English that address the murder of millions of non-combatant German civilians and German prisoners of war from 1944 to 1950 as a matter of deliberate allied policy not inefficient logistics as it is most often presented in school text books.

It is important because this book was written as it was still happening and includes comments from eye witnesses in the same time period. The book is not politically correct and shocked me because it speaks in a such a predudicial fashion about persons of the black race.

That however in this point makes it useful to sociologist and historians because it correctly reflects widely held opinion at the time within U.S. society.

As to the correct observation that allied policy was to reduce the German population through, murder in multiple forms, slave labor, and starvation, and destroy the fabric of the society through mass rape of the female population, other authors are critized for saying the same thing but only decades later.

Fact is there is a great effort to keep this information from the public because it shows that the victors of WWII incorporated not only military strategy and tactics but also the NAZI ideology of racial hatred and a policy of extermination and discrimination for one people.

Four million persons perished because of the ethnic cleansing carried out by, Russians, Poles, Czechs, and Serbs according to the former German Prime Minister Konrad Adenauer,

Five million Germans starved to death in occupied Germany according to estimates by the Canadian James Bacque, and 2 million German Soldiers died in allied captivity often while performing slave labor in Auschwitz like - and worse - conditions.

General Eisenhower prohibited the German Public from sharing their own meager rations with detained German soldiers on pain of death. Hence from 1944 until 1948 a U.S. and Russian Holocaust for the Germans was on going.

For more information on this topic see books by the following authors: James Bacque (Other Losses) (Crimes and Mercies), Alfred M. de Zayas (Die Wehrmacht-Untersuch ungstelle) and (The Nemisis of Potsdam), Guido Knopp (Die Gefangenen), Erich Kern and Karl Balzer (Allierte Verbrechen and Deutschen). A similarly important historical document is the book titled (Alliierte Kriegsverbrechen) which translates to "Allied War Crimes".

It is a collection of historical information of eyewitness experiences of hundreds of Allied war crimes.

This information was written down in 1946 by German Soldiers held prisoner in Camp 91 in Darmstadt by U.S. forces.

Lawyers for the defense hoped to bring some of this information as evidence and perhaps for mitigation to the Nüremberg Tribunal but the it was not permitted. In fact the Commander of Camp 91 attempted to collect and destroy all copies of this book.

That is why it is important that as many people read the afore mentioned books as possible. They need to be translated into English and widely read so that the fairy tale of WWII as the last "Good War" can finally be put to rest.

QuoteSuperb documentary tonight about Johnny Giles on @rte....he needs a few lessons on Amhrán na bhFiann though..😬

Absolutely outstanding programme. Great insight into our best ever footballer

Quote from: Declan on July 04, 2017, 08:14:58 AM

QuoteSuperb documentary tonight about Johnny Giles on @rte....he needs a few lessons on Amhrán na bhFiann though..😬

Absolutely outstanding programme. Great insight into our best ever footballer

Missed it last night, hope to get my hands on it for tonight. 

Was fortunate to see Johnny Giles play live in the flesh,up against Platini and he was on the winning side too at 36!Excellent programme though I was intrigued to hear John say he always felt less than Irish,and grew up to despise the GAA fraternity for looking down on him because he preferred soccer.One of Ireland's greatest ever sportspeople.

Superb Johnny Giles documentary.  He comes across as a decent fella, no airs or graces with him.  Definitely fair to call him Ireland's greatest ever player.

Hard to see how you'd rate him above Brady who went to Italy at its height and became a legend or Keane who was the engine of a team that dominated English football for longer.

Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on July 04, 2017, 12:47:25 AM
ELEVEN MILLION Germans
Were Murdered AFTER WWII
By Richard K. Mariani
5-10-9

The book "Gruesome Harvest," should be on the mandatory highschool and college reading list for history and sociology. ......etc etc

More of your sniveling around this thread with your pro nazi hail good fellow Hitler cráp.
This is not a book discussion thread and
the documentary on the subject of ethnic Germans post WW2 has already been referenced here as well as that holocaust denial documentary ('Nazis were actually a benevolent force for humanity').
This is not a forum for blatantly furthering a political agenda, never mind a fascist nazi political agenda.

Quote from: Syferus on July 04, 2017, 01:40:10 PM
Hard to see how you'd rate him above Brady who went to Italy at its height and became a legend or Keane who was the engine of team that dominated English football for longer.

Ok, I'll bite.  He was a craftsman of the passing game, like Brady, but was a ball-winner as well.  He was a ball-winner and motivator, like Keane, but had a passing and finishing game that was better. 

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Quote from: Syferus on July 04, 2017, 01:40:10 PM
Hard to see how you'd rate him above Brady who went to Italy at its height and became a legend or Keane who was the engine of team that dominated English football for longer.

Ok, I'll bite.  He was a craftsman of the passing game, like Brady, but was a ball-winner as well.  He was a ball-winner and motivator, like Keane, but had a passing and finishing game that was better.

Indeed Billy. And as much as it pains me, I'd put Paul McGrath at the top.

Giles was a ball winner because he could tackle like a combine harvester and emerge with the ball.
I think Giles had shins the size and strength of Cuchullain's.
Both Brady and Giles were the supreme professionals. Apart from that, Brady had more skills in his repertoire, both would be in my best ever Irish team at cm with Roy on the subs bench.
Could Roy even take a penalty? Afair, he never took a (scorable) free kick. ;D

I'd love to see the Giles' documentary. 

Better than Keane & Brady?

Cant agree.

Brady had a skillset that was unrivalled IMHO. Keane was one of the top players in Europe for almost 10 years

Quote from: T Fearon on July 04, 2017, 12:42:26 PM
Was fortunate to see Johnny Giles play live in the flesh,up against Platini and he was on the winning side too at 36!Excellent programme though I was intrigued to hear John say he always felt less than Irish,and grew up to despise the GAA fraternity for looking down on him because he preferred soccer.One of Ireland's greatest ever sportspeople.

He gives a good account of it here.
https://books.google.ie/books?id=dnTRzl3Uoe4C&pg=PT27&lpg=PT27source=bl&ots=NzfRzGjrps&sig=hK6mIzAPgeZbEkAo4poAg3dp9Ss&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjv9IS79u_UAhUHIlAKHeXQAfA4ChDoAQg6MAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

Giles head and shoulders above Brady and Keane.He helped transform Leeds from a second division team to one of England's finest (after winning the FA Cup with Man Utd),equally as skilful as Brady,infinitely more skill than Keane,a better ball winner than Brady and as good a ball winner as Keane.He would have been brilliant in any era.

On the rteplayer.

https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/giles-30004748/10746571/

Also saw Giles playing in Portadown in a friendly for Shamrock Rovers in 1980,where he received an excellent reception from the natives.

Joanna Lumley's India on ITV. Absolutely superb. So is the documentary ;) ;) EDIT: jaysus just noticed she's 71. Fine looking hen.

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QuoteSuperb documentary tonight about Johnny Giles on @rte....he needs a few lessons on Amhrán na bhFiann though..😬

Absolutely outstanding programme. Great insight into our best ever footballer

Did it go into his relationship with Clough at all? I'm not particularly interested in Giles himself but am somewhat obsessed with Brian Clough and would be curious to know the story from Giles' point-of-view.

Quote from: balladmaker on July 04, 2017, 12:50:09 PM
Superb Johnny Giles documentary.  He comes across as a decent fella, no airs or graces with him.  Definitely fair to call him Ireland's greatest ever player.

Never having seen him play I wouldn't be able to give him a fair assessment but was he seriously arguably better than George Best?

I don't remember George Best ever playing for Ireland..

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Quote from: Declan on July 04, 2017, 08:14:58 AM

QuoteSuperb documentary tonight about Johnny Giles on @rte....he needs a few lessons on Amhrán na bhFiann though..😬

Absolutely outstanding programme. Great insight into our best ever footballer

Did it go into his relationship with Clough at all? I'm not particularly interested in Giles himself but am somewhat obsessed with Brian Clough and would be curious to know the story from Giles' point-of-view.

Quote from: balladmaker on July 04, 2017, 12:50:09 PM
Superb Johnny Giles documentary.  He comes across as a decent fella, no airs or graces with him.  Definitely fair to call him Ireland's greatest ever player.

Never having seen him play I wouldn't be able to give him a fair assessment but was he seriously arguably better than George Best?

A true gael if ever there was one.

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QuoteSuperb documentary tonight about Johnny Giles on @rte....he needs a few lessons on Amhrán na bhFiann though..😬

Absolutely outstanding programme. Great insight into our best ever footballer

Did it go into his relationship with Clough at all? I'm not particularly interested in Giles himself but am somewhat obsessed with Brian Clough and would be curious to know the story from Giles' point-of-view.

Quote from: balladmaker on July 04, 2017, 12:50:09 PM
Superb Johnny Giles documentary.  He comes across as a decent fella, no airs or graces with him.  Definitely fair to call him Ireland's greatest ever player.

Never having seen him play I wouldn't be able to give him a fair assessment but was he seriously arguably better than George Best?

A true gael if ever there was one.

Ah anti-English xenophobia... how refreshing...  ::)

Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I don't remember George Best ever playing for Ireland..

Don't actually recall ever reading Giles played for a team called "Ireland". If my memory serves me, and I believe it does, he represented a team called "the Republic of Ireland". George Best played for "Northern Ireland"... Oh look, Ireland in both... Best was born in Belfast, Giles in Dublin, both Irish cities, both part of Ireland and hence both men were/are from the same country.

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Quote from: Declan on July 04, 2017, 08:14:58 AM

QuoteSuperb documentary tonight about Johnny Giles on @rte....he needs a few lessons on Amhrán na bhFiann though..😬

Absolutely outstanding programme. Great insight into our best ever footballer

Did it go into his relationship with Clough at all? I'm not particularly interested in Giles himself but am somewhat obsessed with Brian Clough and would be curious to know the story from Giles' point-of-view.

Quote from: balladmaker on July 04, 2017, 12:50:09 PM
Superb Johnny Giles documentary.  He comes across as a decent fella, no airs or graces with him.  Definitely fair to call him Ireland's greatest ever player.

Never having seen him play I wouldn't be able to give him a fair assessment but was he seriously arguably better than George Best?

A true gael if ever there was one.

Ah anti-English xenophobia... how refreshing...  ::)

Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I don't remember George Best ever playing for Ireland..

Don't actually recall ever reading Giles played for a team called "Ireland". If my memory serves me, and I believe it does, he represented a team called "the Republic of Ireland". George Best played for "Northern Ireland"... Oh look, Ireland in both... Best was born in Belfast, Giles in Dublin, both Irish cities, both part of Ireland and hence both men were/are from the same country.

Giles played for the country whose name is Ireland. George Best played for the national team of Northern Ireland. Two separate entities. At least you know now so you won't make the mistake again in the future.

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Quote from: Declan on July 04, 2017, 08:14:58 AM

QuoteSuperb documentary tonight about Johnny Giles on @rte....he needs a few lessons on Amhrán na bhFiann though..😬

Absolutely outstanding programme. Great insight into our best ever footballer

Did it go into his relationship with Clough at all? I'm not particularly interested in Giles himself but am somewhat obsessed with Brian Clough and would be curious to know the story from Giles' point-of-view.

Quote from: balladmaker on July 04, 2017, 12:50:09 PM
Superb Johnny Giles documentary.  He comes across as a decent fella, no airs or graces with him.  Definitely fair to call him Ireland's greatest ever player.

Never having seen him play I wouldn't be able to give him a fair assessment but was he seriously arguably better than George Best?

A true gael if ever there was one.

Ah anti-English xenophobia... how refreshing...  ::)

Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I don't remember George Best ever playing for Ireland..

Don't actually recall ever reading Giles played for a team called "Ireland". If my memory serves me, and I believe it does, he represented a team called "the Republic of Ireland". George Best played for "Northern Ireland"... Oh look, Ireland in both... Best was born in Belfast, Giles in Dublin, both Irish cities, both part of Ireland and hence both men were/are from the same country.

Giles played for the country that whose name is Ireland. George Best played for the national team of Northern Ireland. Two separate entities. At least you know now so you won't make the mistake again in the future.

Stop trying to act the troll.

The country does not have a team, the Football Association of Ireland has a team called the Republic of Ireland
http://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/member-associations/index.html
and Giles both played and managed this team.

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Quote from: Kilkevan on July 20, 2017, 06:56:42 PM

Quote from: magpie seanie on July 20, 2017, 03:40:57 PM

Quote from: Kilkevan on July 20, 2017, 09:54:37 AM

Quote from: Declan on July 04, 2017, 08:14:58 AM

QuoteSuperb documentary tonight about Johnny Giles on @rte....he needs a few lessons on Amhrán na bhFiann though..😬

Absolutely outstanding programme. Great insight into our best ever footballer

Did it go into his relationship with Clough at all? I'm not particularly interested in Giles himself but am somewhat obsessed with Brian Clough and would be curious to know the story from Giles' point-of-view.

Quote from: balladmaker on July 04, 2017, 12:50:09 PM
Superb Johnny Giles documentary.  He comes across as a decent fella, no airs or graces with him.  Definitely fair to call him Ireland's greatest ever player.

Never having seen him play I wouldn't be able to give him a fair assessment but was he seriously arguably better than George Best?

A true gael if ever there was one.

Ah anti-English xenophobia... how refreshing...  ::)

Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I don't remember George Best ever playing for Ireland..

Don't actually recall ever reading Giles played for a team called "Ireland". If my memory serves me, and I believe it does, he represented a team called "the Republic of Ireland". George Best played for "Northern Ireland"... Oh look, Ireland in both... Best was born in Belfast, Giles in Dublin, both Irish cities, both part of Ireland and hence both men were/are from the same country.

Giles played for the country that whose name is Ireland. George Best played for the national team of Northern Ireland. Two separate entities. At least you know now so you won't make the mistake again in the future.

Nope, Giles played for 26 counties of Ireland, Best played for 6 counties of Ireland (I don't know what history lessons you've had, but mine told me Ireland was 32 counties)... neither played for Ireland as an entire entity... Both were as Irish as one another... I know Free Staters like yourself think the North is some peculiar land up by where Santa Claus lives but it's as much Ireland as Roscommon, Kilkenny or anywhere else on this island.

I can't claim to have seen either play but know plenty who did and Giles v Best... sorry, there's only one winner as Ireland's greatest ever player (and I am certainly no Manchester United fan so I have no incentive in this), and he was (the) Best!

I might finish, as you pathetically tried to school me on what's Ireland and what isn't, by raising the point that the Irish passport is embossed with "Ireland" and "Eire" on the front... the only problem with your daft ideas is that anyone born on the island of Ireland, you know people from Dublin, Galway, Kilkenny, Cork, Limerick, even out of the way places that nobody cares about like Roscommon can carry that passport... but then people in Belfast, Derry, Newry are just every bit as entitled to it as we are... Sorry to wreck your bourgeois ideal of Irishness there, but how and ever.

Giles did organise the all Ireland team against Brazil, which was called Shamrock Rovers XI, so he did not share the small mindedness of some posters here.

Quote from: armaghniac on July 21, 2017, 01:56:30 AM
Giles did organise the all Ireland team against Brazil, which was called Shamrock Rovers XI, so he did not share the small mindedness of some posters here.

Tis fair gas how some believe themselves to be true Irishmen... as long as that Irishness stops just north of Dundalk!

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Quote from: Kilkevan on July 20, 2017, 06:56:42 PM

Quote from: magpie seanie on July 20, 2017, 03:40:57 PM

Quote from: Kilkevan on July 20, 2017, 09:54:37 AM

Quote from: Declan on July 04, 2017, 08:14:58 AM

QuoteSuperb documentary tonight about Johnny Giles on @rte....he needs a few lessons on Amhrán na bhFiann though..😬

Absolutely outstanding programme. Great insight into our best ever footballer

Did it go into his relationship with Clough at all? I'm not particularly interested in Giles himself but am somewhat obsessed with Brian Clough and would be curious to know the story from Giles' point-of-view.

Quote from: balladmaker on July 04, 2017, 12:50:09 PM
Superb Johnny Giles documentary.  He comes across as a decent fella, no airs or graces with him.  Definitely fair to call him Ireland's greatest ever player.

Never having seen him play I wouldn't be able to give him a fair assessment but was he seriously arguably better than George Best?

A true gael if ever there was one.

Ah anti-English xenophobia... how refreshing...  ::)

Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I don't remember George Best ever playing for Ireland..

Don't actually recall ever reading Giles played for a team called "Ireland". If my memory serves me, and I believe it does, he represented a team called "the Republic of Ireland". George Best played for "Northern Ireland"... Oh look, Ireland in both... Best was born in Belfast, Giles in Dublin, both Irish cities, both part of Ireland and hence both men were/are from the same country.

Giles played for the country that whose name is Ireland. George Best played for the national team of Northern Ireland. Two separate entities. At least you know now so you won't make the mistake again in the future.

Stop trying to act the troll.

The country does not have a team, the Football Association of Ireland has a team called the Republic of Ireland
http://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/member-associations/index.html
and Giles both played and managed this team.

I'm sitting here laughing at the idea that I'm the troll in this equation.

When George Best and Pat Jennings made their international debuts.

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Quote from: Kilkevan on July 20, 2017, 06:56:42 PM

Quote from: magpie seanie on July 20, 2017, 03:40:57 PM

Quote from: Kilkevan on July 20, 2017, 09:54:37 AM

Quote from: Declan on July 04, 2017, 08:14:58 AM

QuoteSuperb documentary tonight about Johnny Giles on @rte....he needs a few lessons on Amhrán na bhFiann though..😬

Absolutely outstanding programme. Great insight into our best ever footballer

Did it go into his relationship with Clough at all? I'm not particularly interested in Giles himself but am somewhat obsessed with Brian Clough and would be curious to know the story from Giles' point-of-view.

Quote from: balladmaker on July 04, 2017, 12:50:09 PM
Superb Johnny Giles documentary.  He comes across as a decent fella, no airs or graces with him.  Definitely fair to call him Ireland's greatest ever player.

Never having seen him play I wouldn't be able to give him a fair assessment but was he seriously arguably better than George Best?

A true gael if ever there was one.

Ah anti-English xenophobia... how refreshing...  ::)

Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I don't remember George Best ever playing for Ireland..

Don't actually recall ever reading Giles played for a team called "Ireland". If my memory serves me, and I believe it does, he represented a team called "the Republic of Ireland". George Best played for "Northern Ireland"... Oh look, Ireland in both... Best was born in Belfast, Giles in Dublin, both Irish cities, both part of Ireland and hence both men were/are from the same country.

I'm not anti-English or xenophobic and quite admire Brian Clough actually. It's just I'm surprised that someone with your aversion to big balls and love of true gaels is so interested in soccer. Though maybe you were just talking shite to get a reaction.

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Quote from: Kilkevan on July 20, 2017, 06:56:42 PM

Quote from: magpie seanie on July 20, 2017, 03:40:57 PM

Quote from: Kilkevan on July 20, 2017, 09:54:37 AM

Quote from: Declan on July 04, 2017, 08:14:58 AM

QuoteSuperb documentary tonight about Johnny Giles on @rte....he needs a few lessons on Amhrán na bhFiann though..😬

Absolutely outstanding programme. Great insight into our best ever footballer

Did it go into his relationship with Clough at all? I'm not particularly interested in Giles himself but am somewhat obsessed with Brian Clough and would be curious to know the story from Giles' point-of-view.

Quote from: balladmaker on July 04, 2017, 12:50:09 PM
Superb Johnny Giles documentary.  He comes across as a decent fella, no airs or graces with him.  Definitely fair to call him Ireland's greatest ever player.

Never having seen him play I wouldn't be able to give him a fair assessment but was he seriously arguably better than George Best?

A true gael if ever there was one.

Ah anti-English xenophobia... how refreshing...  ::)

Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I don't remember George Best ever playing for Ireland..

Don't actually recall ever reading Giles played for a team called "Ireland". If my memory serves me, and I believe it does, he represented a team called "the Republic of Ireland". George Best played for "Northern Ireland"... Oh look, Ireland in both... Best was born in Belfast, Giles in Dublin, both Irish cities, both part of Ireland and hence both men were/are from the same country.

I'm not anti-English or xenophobic and quite admire Brian Clough actually. It's just I'm surprised that someone with your aversion to big balls and love of true gaels is so interested in soccer. Though maybe you were just talking shite to get a reaction.

I've no aversion to big balls when the idea is to get it past another team and into a small goal... I'm not entertained by a sport where you can win simply by hoofing a big round ball thirty feet into the air... The fact that you're still touchy about the subject only means you know there's truth in what I'm saying.

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Quote from: magpie seanie on July 20, 2017, 03:40:57 PM

Quote from: Kilkevan on July 20, 2017, 09:54:37 AM

Quote from: Declan on July 04, 2017, 08:14:58 AM

QuoteSuperb documentary tonight about Johnny Giles on @rte....he needs a few lessons on Amhrán na bhFiann though..😬

Absolutely outstanding programme. Great insight into our best ever footballer

Did it go into his relationship with Clough at all? I'm not particularly interested in Giles himself but am somewhat obsessed with Brian Clough and would be curious to know the story from Giles' point-of-view.

Quote from: balladmaker on July 04, 2017, 12:50:09 PM
Superb Johnny Giles documentary.  He comes across as a decent fella, no airs or graces with him.  Definitely fair to call him Ireland's greatest ever player.

Never having seen him play I wouldn't be able to give him a fair assessment but was he seriously arguably better than George Best?

A true gael if ever there was one.

Ah anti-English xenophobia... how refreshing...  ::)

Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I don't remember George Best ever playing for Ireland..

Don't actually recall ever reading Giles played for a team called "Ireland". If my memory serves me, and I believe it does, he represented a team called "the Republic of Ireland". George Best played for "Northern Ireland"... Oh look, Ireland in both... Best was born in Belfast, Giles in Dublin, both Irish cities, both part of Ireland and hence both men were/are from the same country.

I'm not anti-English or xenophobic and quite admire Brian Clough actually. It's just I'm surprised that someone with your aversion to big balls and love of true gaels is so interested in soccer. Though maybe you were just talking shite to get a reaction.

I've no aversion to big balls when the idea is to get it past another team and into a small goal... I'm not entertained by a sport where you can win simply by hoofing a big round ball thirty feet into the air... The fact that you're still touchy about the subject only means you know there's truth in what I'm saying.

Did you enjoy Jack Charlton's era as Republic of Ireland manager?

Have you watched any gaelic football since the 1970's? People could say if they were being as childish as you that they're not entertained by a sport where you can win simply by lashing a little ball 90 yards down a pitch (people even give out loud cheers for it). Do you have a problem with points being scored in hurling? You seem very confused.......or a poor WUM.

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Quote from: magpie seanie on July 20, 2017, 03:40:57 PM

Quote from: Kilkevan on July 20, 2017, 09:54:37 AM

Quote from: Declan on July 04, 2017, 08:14:58 AM

QuoteSuperb documentary tonight about Johnny Giles on @rte....he needs a few lessons on Amhrán na bhFiann though..😬

Absolutely outstanding programme. Great insight into our best ever footballer

Did it go into his relationship with Clough at all? I'm not particularly interested in Giles himself but am somewhat obsessed with Brian Clough and would be curious to know the story from Giles' point-of-view.

Quote from: balladmaker on July 04, 2017, 12:50:09 PM
Superb Johnny Giles documentary.  He comes across as a decent fella, no airs or graces with him.  Definitely fair to call him Ireland's greatest ever player.

Never having seen him play I wouldn't be able to give him a fair assessment but was he seriously arguably better than George Best?

A true gael if ever there was one.

Ah anti-English xenophobia... how refreshing...  ::)

Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I don't remember George Best ever playing for Ireland..

Don't actually recall ever reading Giles played for a team called "Ireland". If my memory serves me, and I believe it does, he represented a team called "the Republic of Ireland". George Best played for "Northern Ireland"... Oh look, Ireland in both... Best was born in Belfast, Giles in Dublin, both Irish cities, both part of Ireland and hence both men were/are from the same country.

I'm not anti-English or xenophobic and quite admire Brian Clough actually. It's just I'm surprised that someone with your aversion to big balls and love of true gaels is so interested in soccer. Though maybe you were just talking shite to get a reaction.

I've no aversion to big balls when the idea is to get it past another team and into a small goal... I'm not entertained by a sport where you can win simply by hoofing a big round ball thirty feet into the air... The fact that you're still touchy about the subject only means you know there's truth in what I'm saying.

Did you enjoy Jack Charlton's era as Republic of Ireland manager?

Have you watched any gaelic football since the 1970's? People could say if they were being as childish as you that they're not entertained by a sport where you can win simply by lashing a little ball 90 yards down a pitch (people even give out loud cheers for it). Do you have a problem with points being scored in hurling? You seem very confused.......or a poor WUM.

The fact that you're ssstttiiillllll going on about it suggests either I touched a nerve, and you don't like the truth behind what I said, or I've wummed you good and proper... Your choice...

Quote from: Syferus on July 21, 2017, 02:15:34 AM
I'm sitting here laughing at the idea that I'm the troll in this equation.

Somebody posted the reasonable contention that George Best was Ireland's greatest player.
You responded that you didn't remember George Best ever playing for Ireland, which of course did not relate to his talent but was a play on words to try and claim that people from the 6 counties do not belong to Ireland.

Enjoy your laugh, if that is the kind of thing that amuses you.

Zoo. Monkeys. Don't talk to them. They're not listening, only chattering to get your attention. If you do react, all you'll probably get from the interaction is a fistful of shite thrown at you.

Yip. Was giving the benefit of the doubt there but obviously another empty vessel.

Quote from: magpie seanie on July 21, 2017, 11:13:58 AM
Yip. Was giving the benefit of the doubt there but obviously another empty vessel.

Ssssstttttiiiiillllllllll going on about it!

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Season 2 of Last Chance U is out, focused on EMCC again. The first season was one of the best sports documentaries in a long time.

It's good stuff in fairness. It gives a great insight to what it takes to even get a real sniff of the NFL too.
Like these lads haven't the cop (not fully their fault considering their lives) to go to class a bit and scrape a pass to get to the A division schools and then chat about big money in the pro game.

As an aside ESPN are doing a 30 for 30 on Ric Flair soon and it looks good in terms of him being a person. It's another mad world to get some insight into.

Good documentary on rte just there, "children of the troubles" by Joe Duffy, very sad but worth watching

Just stumbled across this after listening to an old Blindboy podcast. It's magnificent and was obviously banned at the time. Hang up your Brightest Colours - The Life of Michael Collins

https://youtu.be/jwNJ3aFZg44

Putin: a russian spy story
You can get it on catch up chanel 4

Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 03, 2020, 12:31:20 PM
Just stumbled across this after listening to an old Blindboy podcast. It's magnificent and was obviously banned at the time. Hang up your Brightest Colours - The Life of Michael Collins

https://youtu.be/jwNJ3aFZg44

That would be the one and only, the flamboyant Kenneth Griffiths. Much of his stuff was banned at the time.
One bobo though was in the 1916 rebellion, he gave account to one Britiah regiment losing half their number to a small IRA unit led by Dev.
As we all know, Dev did virtually  feck all during this rebellion, the untit in question near  Montpleasant bridge  was under a different leadership.

The English Game on Netflix. About the early days of soccer in England. Not a documentary, very much a period drama, but so far it tracks very well with the research I did on the origins of professional soccer for my book.

Unquiet Graves, the story of the Glennane Gang on RTÉ 1 ar the moment. Well worth watching

Brutal!!

Would make your blood boil

Highlights what Irish Catholics and nationalists in Northern Ireland were subjected to - and how we were basically abandoned..

This shows, what we in the north have known for many years, that you can't trust the British Government. Something the south has found out this week regarding the Brexit withdrawal treaty. But some here will find a way to blame Sinn Fein for all of it.

I mind the night of the Silverbridge and Cross bombings well, my Da was driving from Newry where I had been at an event at the Abbey, a prizegiving or some such. The ambulance went flying past around Lislea and we then arrived to the chaos in Silverbridge and then Cross.
Those days are well left behind us.

Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:16:25 PM
This shows, what we in the north have known for many years, that you can't trust the British Government. Something the south has found out this week regarding the Brexit withdrawal treaty. But some here will find a way to blame Sinn Fein for all of it.

It's possible to recognise that the north was and to an extent still remains a cold house for Catholics, that the RUC and the British Army engaged in appalling acts, that British governments were and currently are untrustworthy, to recognise why people would have felt the desire to join the IRA, and to recognise that the IRA also committed appalling acts

It's not an either/or

Excellent documentary. This collision went right to the top and fair play to all those who took the fight for information from the start (Frs Faul and Murray amongst them) and those who took the project even further down the road of highlighting state orchestrated bloodshed. Hopefully the families will have their day but I wouldnt bet on it happening any time soon.

Tbh, most people in the South wouldn't be aware of half the sh*t that went on, it's unbelievable stuff

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Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:16:25 PM
This shows, what we in the north have known for many years, that you can't trust the British Government. Something the south has found out this week regarding the Brexit withdrawal treaty. But some here will find a way to blame Sinn Fein for all of it.

It's possible to recognise that the north was and to an extent still remains a cold house for Catholics, that the RUC and the British Army engaged in appalling acts, that British governments were and currently are untrustworthy, to recognise why people would have felt the desire to join the IRA, and to recognise that the IRA also committed appalling acts

It's not an either/or

Who else was there to defend the catholics in the north if not the I.R.A.?

Sinn Fein have recognised that the I.R.A. carried out some unacceptable acts during the troubles and have apologised for them. So why are S.F. not acceptable in the republics Government.

If we can leave the politics of of it, which this documentary has shown, this is down To blind sectarian hatred, and the allowance of that particular policing, UDR and army handling of those sectarian murdering gangs .

120 plus people died, 38 people involved in those murders. Hatred/sectarianism is a terrible thing.

That woman who had to go to Belfast and point out her husband's murderer made my heart sink.

The handlers of these agents ran without fear of consequence, they must be brought to justice as much as the gang itself. 

Not forgetting the kingsmill massacre which may have been avoided and subsequent retaliation murders on both sides that continued.

I doubt very much I'd have stayed on had the initial ceasefire not been called.

For me Bono actually said one of the bests things, without truth how can you get reconciliation, or words to that affect

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Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:16:25 PM
This shows, what we in the north have known for many years, that you can't trust the British Government. Something the south has found out this week regarding the Brexit withdrawal treaty. But some here will find a way to blame Sinn Fein for all of it.

It's possible to recognise that the north was and to an extent still remains a cold house for Catholics, that the RUC and the British Army engaged in appalling acts, that British governments were and currently are untrustworthy, to recognise why people would have felt the desire to join the IRA, and to recognise that the IRA also committed appalling acts

It's not an either/or

Who else was there to defend the catholics in the north if not the I.R.A.?

Sinn Fein have recognised that the I.R.A. carried out some unacceptable acts during the troubles and have apologised for them. So why are S.F. not acceptable in the republics Government.

Nobody - but the IRA committed many appalling acts which cannot be defended and which caused as much hurt to the families of the victims as the appalling acts of the Brits did to the families of their victims

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Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2020, 11:23:41 PM

Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:16:25 PM
This shows, what we in the north have known for many years, that you can't trust the British Government. Something the south has found out this week regarding the Brexit withdrawal treaty. But some here will find a way to blame Sinn Fein for all of it.

It's possible to recognise that the north was and to an extent still remains a cold house for Catholics, that the RUC and the British Army engaged in appalling acts, that British governments were and currently are untrustworthy, to recognise why people would have felt the desire to join the IRA, and to recognise that the IRA also committed appalling acts

It's not an either/or

Who else was there to defend the catholics in the north if not the I.R.A.?

Sinn Fein have recognised that the I.R.A. carried out some unacceptable acts during the troubles and have apologised for them. So why are S.F. not acceptable in the republics Government.

Nobody - but the IRA committed many appalling acts which cannot be defended and which caused as much hurt to the families of the victims as the appalling acts of the Brits did to the families of their victims

You ignorant tool. Were the murders of catholics which the British government, the British military, the RUC and the UDR colluded with loyalist terrorists not appalling?

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Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:33:17 PM

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Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:16:25 PM
This shows, what we in the north have known for many years, that you can't trust the British Government. Something the south has found out this week regarding the Brexit withdrawal treaty. But some here will find a way to blame Sinn Fein for all of it.

It's possible to recognise that the north was and to an extent still remains a cold house for Catholics, that the RUC and the British Army engaged in appalling acts, that British governments were and currently are untrustworthy, to recognise why people would have felt the desire to join the IRA, and to recognise that the IRA also committed appalling acts

It's not an either/or

Who else was there to defend the catholics in the north if not the I.R.A.?

Sinn Fein have recognised that the I.R.A. carried out some unacceptable acts during the troubles and have apologised for them. So why are S.F. not acceptable in the republics Government.

Nobody - but the IRA committed many appalling acts which cannot be defended and which caused as much hurt to the families of the victims as the appalling acts of the Brits did to the families of their victims

You ignorant tool. Were the murders of catholics which the British government, the British military, the RUC and the UDR colluded with loyalist terrorists not appalling?

I'm sorry?

Have you had a grammatical brain fart?

It's disappointing that this documentary and the victims involved can't be discussed without the IRA being thrown in for good measure

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Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:16:25 PM
This shows, what we in the north have known for many years, that you can't trust the British Government. Something the south has found out this week regarding the Brexit withdrawal treaty. But some here will find a way to blame Sinn Fein for all of it.

It's possible to recognise that the north was and to an extent still remains a cold house for Catholics, that the RUC and the British Army engaged in appalling acts, that British governments were and currently are untrustworthy, to recognise why people would have felt the desire to join the IRA, and to recognise that the IRA also committed appalling acts

It's not an either/or

Who else was there to defend the catholics in the north if not the I.R.A.?

Sinn Fein have recognised that the I.R.A. carried out some unacceptable acts during the troubles and have apologised for them. So why are S.F. not acceptable in the republics Government.

Nobody - but the IRA committed many appalling acts which cannot be defended and which caused as much hurt to the families of the victims as the appalling acts of the Brits did to the families of their victims

You ignorant tool. Were the murders of catholics which the British government, the British military, the RUC and the UDR colluded with loyalist terrorists not appalling?

I'm sorry?

Have you had a grammatical brain fart?

I don't know what a grammatical brain fart is. The grammar in my previous post seems ok to me. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

I don't even understand what " I'm sorry? " means. Are you sorry or not?

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Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:16:25 PM
This shows, what we in the north have known for many years, that you can't trust the British Government. Something the south has found out this week regarding the Brexit withdrawal treaty. But some here will find a way to blame Sinn Fein for all of it.

It's possible to recognise that the north was and to an extent still remains a cold house for Catholics, that the RUC and the British Army engaged in appalling acts, that British governments were and currently are untrustworthy, to recognise why people would have felt the desire to join the IRA, and to recognise that the IRA also committed appalling acts

It's not an either/or

Who else was there to defend the catholics in the north if not the I.R.A.?

Sinn Fein have recognised that the I.R.A. carried out some unacceptable acts during the troubles and have apologised for them. So why are S.F. not acceptable in the republics Government.

Nobody - but the IRA committed many appalling acts which cannot be defended and which caused as much hurt to the families of the victims as the appalling acts of the Brits did to the families of their victims

You ignorant tool. Were the murders of catholics which the British government, the British military, the RUC and the UDR colluded with loyalist terrorists not appalling?

I'm sorry?

Have you had a grammatical brain fart?

I don't know what a grammatical brain fart is. The grammar in my previous post seems ok to me. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

I don't even understand what " I'm sorry? " means. Are you sorry or not?

A hyphen makes all the difference

So how is "I'm sorry?" a question?

Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:49:57 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2020, 11:42:19 PM

Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:33:17 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2020, 11:23:41 PM

Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:16:25 PM
This shows, what we in the north have known for many years, that you can't trust the British Government. Something the south has found out this week regarding the Brexit withdrawal treaty. But some here will find a way to blame Sinn Fein for all of it.

It's possible to recognise that the north was and to an extent still remains a cold house for Catholics, that the RUC and the British Army engaged in appalling acts, that British governments were and currently are untrustworthy, to recognise why people would have felt the desire to join the IRA, and to recognise that the IRA also committed appalling acts

It's not an either/or

Who else was there to defend the catholics in the north if not the I.R.A.?

Sinn Fein have recognised that the I.R.A. carried out some unacceptable acts during the troubles and have apologised for them. So why are S.F. not acceptable in the republics Government.

Nobody - but the IRA committed many appalling acts which cannot be defended and which caused as much hurt to the families of the victims as the appalling acts of the Brits did to the families of their victims

You ignorant tool. Were the murders of catholics which the British government, the British military, the RUC and the UDR colluded with loyalist terrorists not appalling?

Read his post again ffs and stop flying off the handle.

I have it recorded, is there anything new in it ? That wasn't in Lethal Allies book ?

I know a lot of it will be new to our southern friends

Quote from: gallsman on September 17, 2020, 06:10:15 AM

Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:49:57 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2020, 11:42:19 PM

Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:33:17 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2020, 11:23:41 PM

Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:16:25 PM
This shows, what we in the north have known for many years, that you can't trust the British Government. Something the south has found out this week regarding the Brexit withdrawal treaty. But some here will find a way to blame Sinn Fein for all of it.

It's possible to recognise that the north was and to an extent still remains a cold house for Catholics, that the RUC and the British Army engaged in appalling acts, that British governments were and currently are untrustworthy, to recognise why people would have felt the desire to join the IRA, and to recognise that the IRA also committed appalling acts

It's not an either/or

Who else was there to defend the catholics in the north if not the I.R.A.?

Sinn Fein have recognised that the I.R.A. carried out some unacceptable acts during the troubles and have apologised for them. So why are S.F. not acceptable in the republics Government.

Nobody - but the IRA committed many appalling acts which cannot be defended and which caused as much hurt to the families of the victims as the appalling acts of the Brits did to the families of their victims

You ignorant tool. Were the murders of catholics which the British government, the British military, the RUC and the UDR colluded with loyalist terrorists not appalling?

Read his post again ffs and stop flying off the handle.

Cant believe I am saying this..................leave Sid alone.

He is in the right on this one

The assertion was that many hawks in the RUC/UDR wanted to escalate violence and indiscrimate sectarian killing in order to bring matters to a point of civil war. The UVF decided that shooting up a school in Beleek was a bridge to far, and I never rhought Id say it, but fair play to the person or persons at that meeting who influenced that outcome!

Things were bad, very bad, but had that event been sanctioned the troubles would have got ten times worse. Every moderate on both sides would have stepped up to get involved.

Quote from: Kidder81 on September 17, 2020, 08:06:13 AM
I have it recorded, is there anything new in it ? That wasn't in Lethal Allies book ?

I know a lot of it will be new to our southern friends

I have it recorded too. I'll watch it asap. Probably the stories from the families will be new to me.

Quote from: Taylor on September 17, 2020, 08:10:06 AM

Quote from: gallsman on September 17, 2020, 06:10:15 AM

Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:49:57 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2020, 11:42:19 PM

Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:33:17 PM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2020, 11:23:41 PM

Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:16:25 PM
This shows, what we in the north have known for many years, that you can't trust the British Government. Something the south has found out this week regarding the Brexit withdrawal treaty. But some here will find a way to blame Sinn Fein for all of it.

It's possible to recognise that the north was and to an extent still remains a cold house for Catholics, that the RUC and the British Army engaged in appalling acts, that British governments were and currently are untrustworthy, to recognise why people would have felt the desire to join the IRA, and to recognise that the IRA also committed appalling acts

It's not an either/or

Who else was there to defend the catholics in the north if not the I.R.A.?

Sinn Fein have recognised that the I.R.A. carried out some unacceptable acts during the troubles and have apologised for them. So why are S.F. not acceptable in the republics Government.

Nobody - but the IRA committed many appalling acts which cannot be defended and which caused as much hurt to the families of the victims as the appalling acts of the Brits did to the families of their victims

You ignorant tool. Were the murders of catholics which the British government, the British military, the RUC and the UDR colluded with loyalist terrorists not appalling?

Read his post again ffs and stop flying off the handle.

Cant believe I am saying this..................leave Sid alone.

He is in the right on this one

He is but he could have expanded on the options open to the nationalist community when they were denied rights to housing, employment and the naked sectarianism shown to them by the authorities of the state they lived in?

The narrative that the IRA were bad and the security forces good is now being openly challenged and it's those questioning this narrative as rewriting history.
Time the ruling Unionists and British acknowledged their part in this mess.

Quote from: Kidder81 on September 17, 2020, 08:06:13 AM
I have it recorded, is there anything new in it ? That wasn't in Lethal Allies book ?

I know a lot of it will be new to our southern friends

When will it be on the RTE player?

Quote from: macdanger2 on September 16, 2020, 11:25:13 PM
Tbh, most people in the South wouldn't be aware of half the sh*t that went on, it's unbelievable stuff

This is sadly true.

Growing up in Portadown none of this is new to me, and it continued into the 90s with Billy Wright and his crew. Watching the families, a lot of them I know very well, brings it home as to how easily it could have been me standing in their place. I suppose we were lucky enough only to be put out of our house in what is now a loyalist area in 1972.

Have it recorded but I have been well aware of the Glenanne gang and RUC/UDR/UVFetc collusion.
Hearing families of victims will be interesting as their stories of living with the aftermath have seldom come to the fore.
Some claim Nairac was involved in directing a lot of it.

Quote from: Rossfan on September 17, 2020, 09:30:32 AM
Have it recorded but I have been well aware of the Glenanne gang and RUC/UDR/UVFetc collusion.
Hearing families of victims will be interesting as their stories of living with the aftermath have seldom come to the fire.
Some claim Nairac was involved in directing a lot of it.

You could nearly make a film about Nairac, he was an interesting character to say the least. People like this roamed free to create anarchy. Anyone not familiar with this name, he basically encompasses the troubles in the North.

I knew all about what was on the TV last night but it is still shocking to see it again and the extent to which these bastards operated their murder gangs. I am glad it was on TV but I wont be giving any big congratulations to RTE who sat on this for years when it should have been released. Likewise, the southern media will ignore it anyway as they are nothing but a pack of west brits. Hopefully some of the Southern Dumbos will now see what was going on in the 6 counties for the duration of the troubles.

Quote from: Harold Disgracey on September 17, 2020, 09:22:34 AM
Growing up in Portadown none of this is new to me, and it continued into the 90s with Billy Wright and his crew. Watching the families, a lot of them I know very well, brings it home as to how easily it could have been me standing in their place. I suppose we were lucky enough only to be put out of our house in what is now a loyalist area in 1972.

It's ridiculous to think that probably was true, although i'm sure it didn't feel lucky at the time. 

I thought it was interesting to see the parallels with "The Empire's" former colonies - how the army (and powers above) bred policing units to suppress and murder the locals who posed any opposition.

The fact is that collusion was long dismissed in many quarters, both north and south, as nonsensical - when the victims and those close knew exactly what was happening wasn't any coincidence.

I would say Drew Harris is no stranger to what went on, and was also part of the appeal against the families enquiry.

Quote from: Itchy on September 17, 2020, 09:55:20 AM
I knew all about what was on the TV last night but it is still shocking to see it again and the extent to which these bastards operated their murder gangs. I am glad it was on TV but I wont be giving any big congratulations to RTE who sat on this for years when it should have been released. Likewise, the southern media will ignore it anyway as they are nothing but a pack of west brits. Hopefully some of the Southern Dumbos will now see what was going on in the 6 counties for the duration of the troubles.

I'd read McPhelimy's book, The Committee way years ago and whilst some aspects of it involving leading business men, bank officials and politicians are still debatable, he had plenty in it about the way Robin Jackson and then Billy Wright and how they operated with impunity in the Portadown, Craigavon, Lurgan area and further afield.

need to hoke it out again.

Anyone else think it odd that in the wake of this overdue documentary most social media mentions are rounding on the south rather than on the perpetrators?

Quote from: JohnDenver on September 17, 2020, 09:59:25 AM

Quote from: Harold Disgracey on September 17, 2020, 09:22:34 AM
Growing up in Portadown none of this is new to me, and it continued into the 90s with Billy Wright and his crew. Watching the families, a lot of them I know very well, brings it home as to how easily it could have been me standing in their place. I suppose we were lucky enough only to be put out of our house in what is now a loyalist area in 1972.

It's ridiculous to think that probably was true, although i'm sure it didn't feel lucky at the time. 

I thought it was interesting to see the parallels with "The Empire's" former colonies - how the army (and powers above) bred policing units to suppress and murder the locals who posed any opposition.

The fact is that collusion was long dismissed in many quarters, both north and south, as nonsensical - when the victims and those close knew exactly what was happening wasn't any coincidence.

I would say Drew Harris is no stranger to what went on, and was also part of the appeal against the families enquiry.

He was indeed.

And look where he is now.

That speaks volumes about the ignorance/lack of awareness of some parties.

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 17, 2020, 10:20:40 AM
Anyone else think it odd that in the wake of this overdue documentary most social media mentions are rounding on the south rather than on the perpetrators?

These aren't new overnight revelations but far alot in the South they are.

Quote from: Harold Disgracey on September 17, 2020, 09:22:34 AM
Growing up in Portadown none of this is new to me, and it continued into the 90s with Billy Wright and his crew. Watching the families, a lot of them I know very well, brings it home as to how easily it could have been me standing in their place. I suppose we were lucky enough only to be put out of our house in what is now a loyalist area in 1972.

The show means an awful lot to me as I would know a number of the families very well. Very few people round our way would not have known someone who wasn't impacted by the Donnelly's bar attack or the Reavey's killings. I was born on the 17th December 1975, the same day as Roisin Brecknell. Our mothers were in hospital together, our fathers would have spoken to each other in the hospital. They spoke with each other about going for a drink but my dad couldn't go as he had to look after my older brother and sister.  The 19th December was Black Eye Friday, the workmen from a local joinery factory were out for their Christmas party. My uncle was one of them. My great uncle was also there as he was a regular. My family members were lucky. The sliding doors of the universe meant my father picked up my siblings from my granny. There would have been a strong chance he would have been beside or close to Trevor when he died.

I went to Cullyhanna primary school, as did Roisin Brecknell, and Alan and Mark. The boys were older, round the same age as my brother. They were friends in primary school. I vividly remember my brother went to their house for a birthday party wearing his new jeans and they were all climbing walls and he ripped the shite out of the jeans. My mother went spare. Roisin and I would always have been in the same groups in early primary school because of our age. We were friends, as much as a boy and a girl can be friends at 7 years of age!

As I got older, and interested in football I would have heard about 2 football competitions between Cullyhanna and Silverbridge. The Trevor Brecknell and the Michael Donnelly Cups. The names never meant anything to a 10 year old who's friends or their brothers always boasted about having won medals on these cups. Most of my friends were either Bridge or Cullyhanna men....I chased the glory with Cross at the grand old age of 8!  It was only later in my life that I understood what those cups were. I knew about the Donnelly's attack. I knew it had been bad. I would have been out to Donnelly's for years as a child, to the shop and later to the Post Office when it moved from Nan Savages round the corner. My mum would have collected my Granny's pension and her Ireland's Own and People's Friend. I didn't understand but knew something wasn't right.

As I became a teenager it became clearer to me. I became more aware of our local history, my mum tried to keep us sheltered. We were not political. But you become aware of it as it's staring at you daily. As I got older my views hardened but never that hard. We are tight round our area and even if we don't agree with some things that happened most people understand why they did.

As I go older I became friends with members of the Reavey family but still didn't know as much as I should. I found out what happened. I know them very well, Eugene Reavey is a man I admire more than most people in the world. His desire to see justice done and his unfailing love of the GAA makes us kindred spirits and his dignity in such dreadful circumstances is amazing.

Will this program make any difference? Who knows but if it educates people as to what really went on then it has made a difference. Both British and Irish governments have covered this up so I would not expect there to be anything from them.

Eugene Reavey's dignity in the face of the most brutal circumstances is admirable. His message of peace and reconciliation is something I don't think I'd be able to reciprocate had I been in his shoes. Likewise Alan Brecknell.

Reading these personal accounts drives home how lucky some of us were just to grow up in a time and place where we didn't have to deal with this shit. I grew up in south Donegal in the 70s and 80s about ten miles from the border, but due to simple geology (i.e. mountains/bogland) and the closing of remote rural border crossings, we were in actual fact pretty far removed from what was happening, even in geographically close areas such as west Tyrone and north Fermanagh. Yes, you'd obviously hear about it, but as a kid, I never personally knew anyone who was hurt or involved. Even once older, you'd hear about so-and-so locally who might, say, have got caught up in internment, but that was about it.

So after all that not a sniff of a follow up from RTE, Newstalk, Indo, Times, Miriam O Callaghan, Matt Cooper, Ivan Yates and the rest of our media heros. 120 people accused murdered by the British security forces and their chums and nothing.

Yet, prior to the 2020 General Election the Murder of Paul Quinn was brought up and his family used to bash Sinn Fein and that was across the board on all platforms, wall to wall coverage.

So is there anyone out there that is still stupid enough to believe that the mainstream media in this country are anything but corrupt lackies of the powers that be?

Quote from: Itchy on September 18, 2020, 11:21:08 AM
So after all that not a sniff of a follow up from RTE, Newstalk, Indo, Times, Miriam O Callaghan, Matt Cooper, Ivan Yates and the rest of our media heros. 120 people accused murdered by the British security forces and their chums and nothing.

Yet, prior to the 2020 General Election the Murder of Paul Quinn was brought up and his family used to bash Sinn Fein and that was across the board on all platforms, wall to wall coverage.

So is there anyone out there that is still stupid enough to believe that the mainstream media in this country are anything but corrupt lackies of the powers that be?

Nobody gave a sh*t about Paul Quinn during that whole disgraceful agenda. It was actually vile to see that being played out in public for a particular political end.

Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 18, 2020, 11:30:48 AM

Quote from: Itchy on September 18, 2020, 11:21:08 AM
So after all that not a sniff of a follow up from RTE, Newstalk, Indo, Times, Miriam O Callaghan, Matt Cooper, Ivan Yates and the rest of our media heros. 120 people accused murdered by the British security forces and their chums and nothing.

Yet, prior to the 2020 General Election the Murder of Paul Quinn was brought up and his family used to bash Sinn Fein and that was across the board on all platforms, wall to wall coverage.

So is there anyone out there that is still stupid enough to believe that the mainstream media in this country are anything but corrupt lackies of the powers that be?

Nobody gave a sh*t about Paul Quinn during that whole disgraceful agenda. It was actually vile to see that being played out in public for a particular political end.

I said that at the time - Paul Quinn's murder was used for political gain. That was pretty clear.

The lack of media attention isnt really that shocking is it?

Unquiet Graves has been released for quite some time. RTE refused to show it earlier.
Everyone in the media knew the content of the show.

Imagine the bombers & murderers of your own people in your capital city getting next to no coverage.

The lack of media attention shows their true colours.

Jesus f**king wept....

It was long overdue to be shown but the reaction, or more correctly lack of reaction, is symptomatic of what the general approach to the north has been for the last 100 years. We, in the wee six, are the tint of the litter and we are lucky that we haven't been put down a long time ago. Our 'heroes' do not have the legitimacy of the Pearse's, Connolly's, Collins, Dev or whoever fought against the perfidious Albion for all those years, well at least until 1920. Our suffering is not as bad as the poor Irish men down the country to warrant actual support and assistance. We were not burned out of our homes, we were not kept under effective military control for decades, we were not abused, targeted nor discriminated against. And if we were all of these sure it was our own fault, isn't that right Regina?

I would ask any of the 'ruling' parties to imagine one day in the life of Eugene Reavey, or Alan Brecknell, or any of the families from Monaghan or Dublin bombings. They can never appreciate not want to appreciate what went on up here.

Quote from: Itchy on September 18, 2020, 11:21:08 AM
So after all that not a sniff of a follow up from RTE, Newstalk, Indo, Times, Miriam O Callaghan, Matt Cooper, Ivan Yates and the rest of our media heros. 120 people accused murdered by the British security forces and their chums and nothing.

Yet, prior to the 2020 General Election the Murder of Paul Quinn was brought up and his family used to bash Sinn Fein and that was across the board on all platforms, wall to wall coverage.

So is there anyone out there that is still stupid enough to believe that the mainstream media in this country are anything but corrupt lackies of the powers that be?

Same in every country. RTE and Dublin government are Britain's bitch. Always were.

Quote from: bannside on September 17, 2020, 08:31:59 AM
The assertion was that many hawks in the RUC/UDR wanted to escalate violence and indiscrimate sectarian killing in order to bring matters to a point of civil war. The UVF decided that shooting up a school in Beleek was a bridge to far, and I never rhought Id say it, but fair play to the person or persons at that meeting who influenced that outcome!

Things were bad, very bad, but had that event been sanctioned the troubles would have got ten times worse. Every moderate on both sides would have stepped up to get involved.

There was nothing so bad that could not have been worse,  but that's not a comforting factor. The bad stuff that was enacted was state sanctioned, that's the bad part of it. When all the forces of the state are fully employed in enacting the atrocities in order to save the state, there is no fall back to what is commonly understood to be justice.
The 'your side is just as bad as our side' is not an argument when the State sanctions atrocity.

Quote from: Main Street on September 19, 2020, 12:15:38 AM

Quote from: bannside on September 17, 2020, 08:31:59 AM
The assertion was that many hawks in the RUC/UDR wanted to escalate violence and indiscrimate sectarian killing in order to bring matters to a point of civil war. The UVF decided that shooting up a school in Beleek was a bridge to far, and I never rhought Id say it, but fair play to the person or persons at that meeting who influenced that outcome!

Things were bad, very bad, but had that event been sanctioned the troubles would have got ten times worse. Every moderate on both sides would have stepped up to get involved.

There was nothing so bad that could not have been worse,  but that's not a comforting factor. The bad stuff that was enacted was state sanctioned, that's the bad part of it. When all the forces of the state are fully employed in enacting the atrocities in order to save the state, there is no fall back to what is commonly understood to be justice.
The 'your side is just as bad as our side' is not an argument when the State sanctions atrocity.

The implications are, or at least should be worse when it is state sanctioned, as opposed to a group like the IRA - but the hurt inflicted on the families of the victims is equal no matter who commits an atrocity

Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 18, 2020, 11:30:48 AM

Quote from: Itchy on September 18, 2020, 11:21:08 AM
So after all that not a sniff of a follow up from RTE, Newstalk, Indo, Times, Miriam O Callaghan, Matt Cooper, Ivan Yates and the rest of our media heros. 120 people accused murdered by the British security forces and their chums and nothing.

Yet, prior to the 2020 General Election the Murder of Paul Quinn was brought up and his family used to bash Sinn Fein and that was across the board on all platforms, wall to wall coverage.

So is there anyone out there that is still stupid enough to believe that the mainstream media in this country are anything but corrupt lackies of the powers that be?

Nobody gave a sh*t about Paul Quinn during that whole disgraceful agenda. It was actually vile to see that being played out in public for a particular political end.

It was completely legitimate to bring up the Paul Quinn murder, as it was the Robert McCartney murder, and the Northern Bank robbery

Sinn Fein still have serious questions to answer as regards all of these, they have not convinced in the answers they have given, Mary Lou McDonald couldn't answer the questions put to her abut the Paul Quinn case and Conor Murphy when she was asked these questions in the final election debate earlier this year - and it's not as if she didn't have advance warning she would be asked about it

Ascribing bad faith motives onto others for your own self serving, bad faith reasons is not an argument, it's total deflection

That is as bad faith a motive as it would be if somebody from the British government ascribed a bad faith motive to the makers of Unquiet Graves

Quote from: sid waddell on September 19, 2020, 12:33:36 AM

Quote from: Main Street on September 19, 2020, 12:15:38 AM

Quote from: bannside on September 17, 2020, 08:31:59 AM
The assertion was that many hawks in the RUC/UDR wanted to escalate violence and indiscrimate sectarian killing in order to bring matters to a point of civil war. The UVF decided that shooting up a school in Beleek was a bridge to far, and I never rhought Id say it, but fair play to the person or persons at that meeting who influenced that outcome!

Things were bad, very bad, but had that event been sanctioned the troubles would have got ten times worse. Every moderate on both sides would have stepped up to get involved.

There was nothing so bad that could not have been worse,  but that's not a comforting factor. The bad stuff that was enacted was state sanctioned, that's the bad part of it. When all the forces of the state are fully employed in enacting the atrocities in order to save the state, there is no fall back to what is commonly understood to be justice.
The 'your side is just as bad as our side' is not an argument when the State sanctions atrocity.

The implications are, or at least should be worse when it is state sanctioned, as opposed to a group like the IRA - but the hurt inflicted on the families of the victims is equal no matter who commits an atrocity

There is no resort to justice when the state sanctions atrocity but the IRA were subject to the so called justice of the state.
Even a moron like yourself  should be able to tell the diffference and how the scales of "justice" served was perceived.

Quote from: general_lee on September 17, 2020, 01:21:16 PM
Eugene Reavey's dignity in the face of the most brutal circumstances is admirable. His message of peace and reconciliation is something I don't think I'd be able to reciprocate had I been in his shoes. Likewise Alan Brecknell.

I found it very strange some years back when Joe Brolly wrote about the Reavey murders in detail one week - I think as a rebuttal to a vague suggestion by Jarlath Burns that the Irish flag might not be flown at GAA matches - Brolly was asserting that the GAA should not lose its essential Irish nationalist identity - and then the next week he vilified the Creggan Kickhams club because some of Peadar Heffron's team mates did not support his decision to join the PSNI in early 2002

It was appalling what happened to Heffron when he had his life ruined by a car bomb - but Brolly did not seem to understand how a lot of Catholics would have had deep suspicion of the PSNI, at least in the early part of its existence, and that that was a totally legitimate opinion to have

I couldn't understand Brolly's stance - even though I think Heffron's decision to join the PSNI was a brave decision which I think was ultimately vindicated - because the new force required people like him to take such courageous decisions if it was to have any chance of being successful

However I could certainly understand how some people would not have felt the same way at the time

Quote from: Main Street on September 19, 2020, 12:49:35 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 19, 2020, 12:33:36 AM

Quote from: Main Street on September 19, 2020, 12:15:38 AM

Quote from: bannside on September 17, 2020, 08:31:59 AM
The assertion was that many hawks in the RUC/UDR wanted to escalate violence and indiscrimate sectarian killing in order to bring matters to a point of civil war. The UVF decided that shooting up a school in Beleek was a bridge to far, and I never rhought Id say it, but fair play to the person or persons at that meeting who influenced that outcome!

Things were bad, very bad, but had that event been sanctioned the troubles would have got ten times worse. Every moderate on both sides would have stepped up to get involved.

There was nothing so bad that could not have been worse,  but that's not a comforting factor. The bad stuff that was enacted was state sanctioned, that's the bad part of it. When all the forces of the state are fully employed in enacting the atrocities in order to save the state, there is no fall back to what is commonly understood to be justice.
The 'your side is just as bad as our side' is not an argument when the State sanctions atrocity.

The implications are, or at least should be worse when it is state sanctioned, as opposed to a group like the IRA - but the hurt inflicted on the families of the victims is equal no matter who commits an atrocity

There is no resort to justice when the state sanctions atrocity but the IRA were subject to the so called justice of the state.
Even a moron like yourself  should be able to tell the diffference and how the scales of "justice" served was perceived.

Thanks for the insult

It's not an argument though

What I object to on this thread is the clear implication that because the British state engaged in appalling atrocities, that therefore Joanne Mathers, Patsy Gillespie, the workmen on the minibus at Kingsmills, the members of the Irish Collie Club, the attendees at an Enniskillen Remembrance Sunday ceremony, worshippers at Darkley, Jonathan Ball and Tim Parry all "had it coming to them"

That is the implication that has run through at least some posts

They didn't "have it coming to them", no more than the Reaveys did

Also, the Good Friday Agreement meant that many victims of the IRA did not see justice served

Stating all that is far from "moronic" and very far from being on the side of the murderous British state

However on this forum, if you add any bit of nuance at all, there will always be somebody who has no intention of ever facing up to the reality that the IRA/INLA caused incredible pain to many totally innocent people, calling you a "moron"

Quote from: sid waddell on September 19, 2020, 01:14:14 AM

Quote from: Main Street on September 19, 2020, 12:49:35 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 19, 2020, 12:33:36 AM

Quote from: Main Street on September 19, 2020, 12:15:38 AM

Quote from: bannside on September 17, 2020, 08:31:59 AM
The assertion was that many hawks in the RUC/UDR wanted to escalate violence and indiscrimate sectarian killing in order to bring matters to a point of civil war. The UVF decided that shooting up a school in Beleek was a bridge to far, and I never rhought Id say it, but fair play to the person or persons at that meeting who influenced that outcome!

Things were bad, very bad, but had that event been sanctioned the troubles would have got ten times worse. Every moderate on both sides would have stepped up to get involved.

There was nothing so bad that could not have been worse,  but that's not a comforting factor. The bad stuff that was enacted was state sanctioned, that's the bad part of it. When all the forces of the state are fully employed in enacting the atrocities in order to save the state, there is no fall back to what is commonly understood to be justice.
The 'your side is just as bad as our side' is not an argument when the State sanctions atrocity.

The implications are, or at least should be worse when it is state sanctioned, as opposed to a group like the IRA - but the hurt inflicted on the families of the victims is equal no matter who commits an atrocity

There is no resort to justice when the state sanctions atrocity but the IRA were subject to the so called justice of the state.
Even a moron like yourself  should be able to tell the diffference and how the scales of "justice" served was perceived.

Thanks for the insult

It's not an argument though

What I object to on this thread is the clear implication that because the British state engaged in appalling atrocities, that therefore Joanne Mathers, Patsy Gillespie, the workmen on the minibus at Kingsmills, the members of the Irish Collie Club, the attendees at an Enniskillen Remembrance Sunday ceremony, worshippers at Darkley, Jonathan Ball and Tim Parry all "had it coming to them"

That is the implication that has run through at least some posts

They didn't "have it coming to them", no more than the Reaveys did

Also, the Good Friday Agreement meant that many victims of the IRA did not see justice served

Stating all that is far from "moronic" and very far from being on the side of the murderous British state

However on this forum, if you add any bit of nuance at all, there will always be somebody who has no intention of ever facing up to the reality that the IRA/INLA caused incredible pain to many totally innocent people, calling you a "moron"

That's war, every conflict has terrible acts committed across the board.

The reason the Provos/INLA came into existence is quite clear, it was utterly inevitable and that's primarily because of the utter disinterest by the governing parties that ruled the Free State and the British government.

When nationalists were getting shot at, burned out of their homes, beaten off the streets aided and abetted by the security forces, the Free State did the square root of nothing. When the nationalist community were defenceless and at the mercy of a loyalist pogrom, the Free State saw it as something acceptable. When they armed themselves with the aid of a few rogue politicians down south, it must be added - then that is when the Free State saw violence as unacceptable.

How any person can defend the actions (or lack of) the Free State establishment parties during the troubles is galling. FF FG bastards.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 19, 2020, 12:41:59 AM

Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 18, 2020, 11:30:48 AM

Quote from: Itchy on September 18, 2020, 11:21:08 AM
So after all that not a sniff of a follow up from RTE, Newstalk, Indo, Times, Miriam O Callaghan, Matt Cooper, Ivan Yates and the rest of our media heros. 120 people accused murdered by the British security forces and their chums and nothing.

Yet, prior to the 2020 General Election the Murder of Paul Quinn was brought up and his family used to bash Sinn Fein and that was across the board on all platforms, wall to wall coverage.

So is there anyone out there that is still stupid enough to believe that the mainstream media in this country are anything but corrupt lackies of the powers that be?

Nobody gave a sh*t about Paul Quinn during that whole disgraceful agenda. It was actually vile to see that being played out in public for a particular political end.

It was completely legitimate to bring up the Paul Quinn murder, as it was the Robert McCartney murder, and the Northern Bank robbery

Sinn Fein still have serious questions to answer as regards all of these, they have not convinced in the answers they have given, Mary Lou McDonald couldn't answer the questions put to her abut the Paul Quinn case and Conor Murphy when she was asked these questions in the final election debate earlier this year - and it's not as if she didn't have advance warning she would be asked about it

Ascribing bad faith motives onto others for your own self serving, bad faith reasons is not an argument, it's total deflection

That is as bad faith a motive as it would be if somebody from the British government ascribed a bad faith motive to the makers of Unquiet Graves

I agree there are questions to be answered by SF on this...and plenty more.

But you can't agree that it is right that certain parties and people made a disgusting murder from 2007 a massive thing in 2019 for anything other than dirt throwing.

They had absolutely no interest in the truth and justice here on this one, it was, we are in trouble, how can we blacken this lot as much as we can. The Quinn family will do what they need to for justice and truth but they were completely used last year for political gain. It's stuff like that, that really bothers me about politics on this island.

Free Staters seemed to expect Northern nationalists to sit there on their hands when they were burned out of their homes, shot, killed, discriminated against aided and abetted by the state and not fight back.

But 50 years or earlier it was acceptable for their forefathers to go around disappearing spies, shooting police officers, shooting people in front of their families and committing sectarian murders in the name of Irish freedom.

It tells you a lot when the likes of FF/FG are more interested in Paul Quinn than gaining justice for the victims of the Dublin/Monaghan bombings or the Stardust fire.

Sinn Fein have gone on record to state that numerous things that happened during the Troubles were wrong but that is the way of a war. This program was not a SF driven exercise and to be brining them into it detracts from the real story, the collusion with the British authorities, the whitewashing of it and the ignoring of it by the Irish government. There should be demands for a full investigation into this but it won't happen as there are too many vested interests in it. Deny.Delay.Death. The thing is the families of the people I know who are so impacted upon by it will never ever let it lie.

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 19, 2020, 10:17:54 AM
Sinn Fein have gone on record to state that numerous things that happened during the Troubles were wrong but that is the way of a war. This program was not a SF driven exercise and to be brining them into it detracts from the real story, the collusion with the British authorities, the whitewashing of it and the ignoring of it by the Irish government. There should be demands for a full investigation into this but it won't happen as there are too many vested interests in it. Deny.Delay.Death. The thing is the families of the people I know who are so impacted upon by it will never ever let it lie.

Who directed it ?

Quote from: Kidder81 on September 19, 2020, 12:03:50 PM

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 19, 2020, 10:17:54 AM
Sinn Fein have gone on record to state that numerous things that happened during the Troubles were wrong but that is the way of a war. This program was not a SF driven exercise and to be brining them into it detracts from the real story, the collusion with the British authorities, the whitewashing of it and the ignoring of it by the Irish government. There should be demands for a full investigation into this but it won't happen as there are too many vested interests in it. Deny.Delay.Death. The thing is the families of the people I know who are so impacted upon by it will never ever let it lie.

Who directed it ?

Sean Murray, good clubman from ours

Quote from: Kidder81 on September 19, 2020, 12:03:50 PM

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 19, 2020, 10:17:54 AM
Sinn Fein have gone on record to state that numerous things that happened during the Troubles were wrong but that is the way of a war. This program was not a SF driven exercise and to be brining them into it detracts from the real story, the collusion with the British authorities, the whitewashing of it and the ignoring of it by the Irish government. There should be demands for a full investigation into this but it won't happen as there are too many vested interests in it. Deny.Delay.Death. The thing is the families of the people I know who are so impacted upon by it will never ever let it lie.

Who directed it ?

A republican but it was not S.F. driven.  That's a huge problem I feel. Just because something has a republican agenda automatically it has to be linked to S.F.  This was all about exposing the collusion, all about exposing what is systematic in the British establishment. All about the pain of the families. Do S.F. support it?  Yes. Was it done on their behest or with their approval? No

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 19, 2020, 12:08:16 PM

Quote from: Kidder81 on September 19, 2020, 12:03:50 PM

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 19, 2020, 10:17:54 AM
Sinn Fein have gone on record to state that numerous things that happened during the Troubles were wrong but that is the way of a war. This program was not a SF driven exercise and to be brining them into it detracts from the real story, the collusion with the British authorities, the whitewashing of it and the ignoring of it by the Irish government. There should be demands for a full investigation into this but it won't happen as there are too many vested interests in it. Deny.Delay.Death. The thing is the families of the people I know who are so impacted upon by it will never ever let it lie.

Who directed it ?

A republican but it was not S.F. driven.  That's a huge problem I feel. Just because something has a republican agenda automatically it has to be linked to S.F.  This was all about exposing the collusion, all about exposing what is systematic in the British establishment. All about the pain of the families. Do S.F. support it?  Yes. Was it done on their behest or with their approval? No

Very little about the contents of this excellent documentary on RTÉ television and radio in the few days after it.  Very disappointing but not surprised.  Programme was supposed to be brodcast a while back but got pulled at the last minute....mmmmm. I wonder why?

The lackeys in the media in the south wouldn't be capable of producing a show like that.  Great work by Murray.

At least a few more people in the 26 counties know a bit more about the dirty war and loyalist death squads.

The coverups from that period are a disgrace and they don't only affect people in 6 counties, the families of the Dublin bombings have never got either recognition or justice. Everyone knows about the Enniskillen bomb and the Taoiseach goes there etc, but I'd say there are native Dubliners that don't even know there was were Dublin bombs and although they were planted by British agents Boris or Arlene do not come to the commemoration.
There is a sort of amnesia, when Royston Brady ran in the European election and said that his father's taxi had been hijacked by Loyalists who left him in the Dublin mountains everyone called him a liar, yet the Irish Times had reported the hijacking of two taxis in Dublin and whatever his other shortcomings he was telling this straight up. Apart from anything else the investigation doesn't seem to have bothered connecting these events with the bombs.

Quote from: armaghniac on September 19, 2020, 02:56:58 PM
The coverups from that period are a disgrace and they don't only affect people in 6 counties, the families of the Dublin bombings have never got either recognition or justice. Everyone knows about the Enniskillen bomb and the Taoiseach goes there etc, but I'd say there are native Dubliners that don't even know there was were Dublin bombs and although they were planted by British agents Boris or Arlene do not come to the commemoration.
There is a sort of amnesia, when Royston Brady ran in the European election and said that his father's taxi had been hijacked by Loyalists who left him in the Dublin mountains everyone called him a liar, yet the Irish Times had reported the hijacking of two taxis in Dublin and whatever his other shortcomings he was telling this straight up. Apart from anything else the investigation doesn't seem to have bothered connecting these events with the bombs.

And yet you consistently defend the policies of FF/FG on the north.

Quote from: Angelo on September 19, 2020, 03:16:11 PM

Quote from: armaghniac on September 19, 2020, 02:56:58 PM
The coverups from that period are a disgrace and they don't only affect people in 6 counties, the families of the Dublin bombings have never got either recognition or justice. Everyone knows about the Enniskillen bomb and the Taoiseach goes there etc, but I'd say there are native Dubliners that don't even know there was were Dublin bombs and although they were planted by British agents Boris or Arlene do not come to the commemoration.
There is a sort of amnesia, when Royston Brady ran in the European election and said that his father's taxi had been hijacked by Loyalists who left him in the Dublin mountains everyone called him a liar, yet the Irish Times had reported the hijacking of two taxis in Dublin and whatever his other shortcomings he was telling this straight up. Apart from anything else the investigation doesn't seem to have bothered connecting these events with the bombs.

And yet you consistently defend the policies of FF/FG on the north.

Said he, quoting a post where I didn't.

I both criticise and defend depending on the policy. What do you suggest that I do?

Quote from: armaghniac on September 19, 2020, 03:31:54 PM

Quote from: Angelo on September 19, 2020, 03:16:11 PM

Quote from: armaghniac on September 19, 2020, 02:56:58 PM
The coverups from that period are a disgrace and they don't only affect people in 6 counties, the families of the Dublin bombings have never got either recognition or justice. Everyone knows about the Enniskillen bomb and the Taoiseach goes there etc, but I'd say there are native Dubliners that don't even know there was were Dublin bombs and although they were planted by British agents Boris or Arlene do not come to the commemoration.
There is a sort of amnesia, when Royston Brady ran in the European election and said that his father's taxi had been hijacked by Loyalists who left him in the Dublin mountains everyone called him a liar, yet the Irish Times had reported the hijacking of two taxis in Dublin and whatever his other shortcomings he was telling this straight up. Apart from anything else the investigation doesn't seem to have bothered connecting these events with the bombs.

And yet you consistently defend the policies of FF/FG on the north.

Said he, quoting a post where I didn't.

I both criticise and defend depending on the policy. What do you suggest that I do?

But you're on record of.

I find it incredulous how any self respecting nationalist could ever lobby for FF/FG like you have, their record and attitude to northern nationalists has never been anything short of despicable. So I'm only surprised you are not following your normal Uncle Tom routine.

Quote from: Angelo on September 19, 2020, 03:57:28 PM
I find it incredulous how any self respecting nationalist could ever lobby for FF/FG like you have, their record and attitude to northern nationalists has never been anything short of despicable. So I'm only surprised you are not following your normal Uncle Tom routine.

Duh! I am a northern nationalist, I just don't get my opinion downloaded from some apparatchik at Connolly House.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2020, 11:23:41 PM

Quote from: Windmill abu on September 16, 2020, 11:16:25 PM
This shows, what we in the north have known for many years, that you can't trust the British Government. Something the south has found out this week regarding the Brexit withdrawal treaty. But some here will find a way to blame Sinn Fein for all of it.

It's possible to recognise that the north was and to an extent still remains a cold house for Catholics, that the RUC and the British Army engaged in appalling acts, that British governments were and currently are untrustworthy, to recognise why people would have felt the desire to join the IRA, and to recognise that the IRA also committed appalling acts

It's not an either/or

You talk complete sense. But regrettably it will have no impact on the echo chambers that exist in and on Northern Ireland.

Unionism has a problem with the past. Certainly unionist politicians have a problem with the past. They feel if they admit to even one occurrence of collusion or state brutality or even general misrule then the whole house of cards will collapse. For this reason they are institutionally dishonest re the past. I don't think this is true of the general pro union populace but it is true of most if not all unionist politicians.

But republicanism shares this same fault. We could list atrocities that were acts of outright scumbaggery and the planners and perpetrators are repellent creatures who don't deserve to dine with the humans. Republicanism struggles to admit to that. So they revert to revisionism of their own history and amongst other things it's popular support. There is a view that northern nationalists had 2 options:
Sit on their hands and be clubbed about the head in a pogrom or
Blow up a school bus

It's completely bogus. And never allow the apologists for this violence delude you into thinking that the armed struggle of the 60s onwards had majority support within nationalism.

Wouldn't disagree with you Shelmoth but back to the documentary which was about the RUC/UDR/UVF/Brits murdering Catholic civilians in the Nirth and 34 civilians in thec26.
Absolutely disgraceful conduct which has been glossed over and should even 45 years later be highlighted.
For context, especially the bit about proposing to shoot up a school and foment Civil war....
Was it so the Brits could hand it over to the UN?
Ruairi Ó Brádaigh told a family member of mine that the Brits had been in contact with the SF leadership at the time saying they were on for pulling out and wondering how things might pan out if they did.
The Dublin/Monagham bombings may well have been a warning to the Irish Government to stay out of it or you'll get more of this and sadly it worked.
Whether they were fomented by official Brit agents or by "anti pull out" elements is another question, which of course will probably never be answered.

Apparently the former FG minister for justice was on the radio this morning and claimed he wrote to RTE to complain about the airing of the Unquiet Graves documentary.

A documentary that exposes the collusion with state security forces and loyalists murder gangs of the murders of innocent nationalists in the O6. Also involved in the largest terrorist attack in his state in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.

This is the same Minister of Justice who actively thwarted the McAnespie family and their bid for justice by refusing to release files and could assist in securing a conviction.

It just shows the utter contempt the establishment parties in the Free State have and continue to show to northern nationalists.

Absolute vermin.

Quote from: Angelo on October 01, 2020, 08:42:05 AM
Apparently the former FG minister for justice was on the radio this morning and claimed he wrote to RTE to complain about the airing of the Unquiet Graves documentary.

A documentary that exposes the collusion with state security forces and loyalists murder gangs of the murders of innocent nationalists in the O6. Also involved in the largest terrorist attack in his state in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.

This is the same Minister of Justice who actively thwarted the McAnespie family and their bid for justice by refusing to release files and could assist in securing a conviction.

It just shows the utter contempt the establishment parties in the Free State have and continue to show to northern nationalists.

Absolute vermin.

Which one?

Quote from: Angelo on October 01, 2020, 08:42:05 AM
Apparently the former FG minister for justice was on the radio this morning and claimed he wrote to RTE to complain about the airing of the Unquiet Graves documentary.

A documentary that exposes the collusion with state security forces and loyalists murder gangs of the murders of innocent nationalists in the O6. Also involved in the largest terrorist attack in his state in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.

This is the same Minister of Justice who actively thwarted the McAnespie family and their bid for justice by refusing to release files and could assist in securing a conviction.

It just shows the utter contempt the establishment parties in the Free State have and continue to show to northern nationalists.

Absolute vermin.

As I said before, they are Britain's bitch.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 01, 2020, 09:01:49 AM

Quote from: Angelo on October 01, 2020, 08:42:05 AM
Apparently the former FG minister for justice was on the radio this morning and claimed he wrote to RTE to complain about the airing of the Unquiet Graves documentary.

A documentary that exposes the collusion with state security forces and loyalists murder gangs of the murders of innocent nationalists in the O6. Also involved in the largest terrorist attack in his state in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.

This is the same Minister of Justice who actively thwarted the McAnespie family and their bid for justice by refusing to release files and could assist in securing a conviction.

It just shows the utter contempt the establishment parties in the Free State have and continue to show to northern nationalists.

Absolute vermin.

Which one?

Charlie Flanagan.

Quote from: BennyCake on October 01, 2020, 10:04:10 AM

Quote from: Angelo on October 01, 2020, 08:42:05 AM
Apparently the former FG minister for justice was on the radio this morning and claimed he wrote to RTE to complain about the airing of the Unquiet Graves documentary.

A documentary that exposes the collusion with state security forces and loyalists murder gangs of the murders of innocent nationalists in the O6. Also involved in the largest terrorist attack in his state in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.

This is the same Minister of Justice who actively thwarted the McAnespie family and their bid for justice by refusing to release files and could assist in securing a conviction.

It just shows the utter contempt the establishment parties in the Free State have and continue to show to northern nationalists.

Absolute vermin.

As I said before, they are Britain's bitch.

Hushing the role of the British state in the murder, degradation and intimidation of nationalist communities in the O6 and even some of their own citizens while conversely vilifying the men who took up and arms and fought back against the British.

FFG are absolute vermin in my eyes, worse than the majority unionist element that wanted to keep nationalists down as second class citizens. Two self-serving elite arsehole groupings who didn't give a care in the world about what happened to nationalists in the O6 as they had the trappings of power and excess.

Quote from: Angelo on October 01, 2020, 10:16:51 AM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 01, 2020, 09:01:49 AM

Quote from: Angelo on October 01, 2020, 08:42:05 AM
Apparently the former FG minister for justice was on the radio this morning and claimed he wrote to RTE to complain about the airing of the Unquiet Graves documentary.

A documentary that exposes the collusion with state security forces and loyalists murder gangs of the murders of innocent nationalists in the O6. Also involved in the largest terrorist attack in his state in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.

This is the same Minister of Justice who actively thwarted the McAnespie family and their bid for justice by refusing to release files and could assist in securing a conviction.

It just shows the utter contempt the establishment parties in the Free State have and continue to show to northern nationalists.

Absolute vermin.

Which one?

Charlie Flanagan.

Charlie Black'n'tanagan you mean.

Flanagan is a total disgrace.
Is he now claiming the Glenanne gang and collusion didnt exist?

Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2020, 01:06:39 PM
Flanagan is a total disgrace.
Is he now claiming the Glenanne gang and collusion didnt exist?

He appointed Drew Harris as well.

Delay, deny, death. This is what they all are hoping for this and other state sponsored atrocities from the Troubles. Dublin don't want to rock the apple cart and are probably too heavily invested in London which means that they can only see one way.

Quote from: Roesider on October 01, 2020, 02:33:25 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2020, 01:06:39 PM
Flanagan is a total disgrace.
Is he now claiming the Glenanne gang and collusion didnt exist?

He appointed Drew Harris as well.

Policing Authority nominates a successful candidate and Government then appoints the Commissioner.

Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2020, 01:06:39 PM
Flanagan is a total disgrace.
Is he now claiming the Glenanne gang and collusion didnt exist?

He's a west brit of the type you find quite a lot in FG. Its why I have never given them any sort of preference vote in any election and never will.

Quote from: Itchy on October 01, 2020, 04:10:33 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2020, 01:06:39 PM
Flanagan is a total disgrace.
Is he now claiming the Glenanne gang and collusion didnt exist?

He's a west brit of the type you find quite a lot in FG. Its why I have never given them any sort of preference vote in any election and never will.

Good man Itchy. Same applies here.

Quote from: armaghniac on September 19, 2020, 02:56:58 PM
The coverups from that period are a disgrace and they don't only affect people in 6 counties, the families of the Dublin bombings have never got either recognition or justice. Everyone knows about the Enniskillen bomb and the Taoiseach goes there etc, but I'd say there are native Dubliners that don't even know there was were Dublin bombs and although they were planted by British agents Boris or Arlene do not come to the commemoration.
There is a sort of amnesia, when Royston Brady ran in the European election and said that his father's taxi had been hijacked by Loyalists who left him in the Dublin mountains everyone called him a liar, yet the Irish Times had reported the hijacking of two taxis in Dublin and whatever his other shortcomings he was telling this straight up. Apart from anything else the investigation doesn't seem to have bothered connecting these events with the bombs.

The Dublin bombingss? why do people leave out the Monaghan bit?   They're known in history as the  Dublin Monaghan bombings,  May17th. 
2 locations  -  same deal, same collusion with British agents, no justice or no recognition.

Quote from: Main Street on October 01, 2020, 05:21:55 PM

Quote from: armaghniac on September 19, 2020, 02:56:58 PM
The coverups from that period are a disgrace and they don't only affect people in 6 counties, the families of the Dublin bombings have never got either recognition or justice. Everyone knows about the Enniskillen bomb and the Taoiseach goes there etc, but I'd say there are native Dubliners that don't even know there was were Dublin bombs and although they were planted by British agents Boris or Arlene do not come to the commemoration.
There is a sort of amnesia, when Royston Brady ran in the European election and said that his father's taxi had been hijacked by Loyalists who left him in the Dublin mountains everyone called him a liar, yet the Irish Times had reported the hijacking of two taxis in Dublin and whatever his other shortcomings he was telling this straight up. Apart from anything else the investigation doesn't seem to have bothered connecting these events with the bombs.

The Dublin bombingss? why do people leave out the Monaghan bit?   They're known in history as the  Dublin Monaghan bombings,  May17th. 
2 locations  -  same deal, same collusion with British agents, no justice or no recognition.

The bottom line is FFG are more interested in playing victim bingo with a hood like Paul Quinn than they are in getting justice and answers for the victims of the Dublin Monaghan bombings. The way the free state establishment parties play political football with victims of a conflict they allowed fester and helped create is reprehensible.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/former-minister-for-justice-charlie-flanagan-writes-to-rte-about-dubious-documentary-39581589.html

Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2020, 11:18:39 AM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/former-minister-for-justice-charlie-flanagan-writes-to-rte-about-dubious-documentary-39581589.html

Odious individual.

Flanagan hasn't even watched it.  He also fits well into that default British opinion that seek to control the telling of the dark history of the empire, when they don't like how the script gives acccount of those who suffered.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 02, 2020, 12:18:26 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2020, 11:18:39 AM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/former-minister-for-justice-charlie-flanagan-writes-to-rte-about-dubious-documentary-39581589.html

Odious individual.

Agreed.

Really good documentary is The Secret History of Writing, on BBC4.

I didn't know that parts of our alphabet evolved directly from Egyptian Hieroglyphics. i.e:

A = bull
B = house
M = water
N = snake
R = head

Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2020, 11:18:39 AM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/former-minister-for-justice-charlie-flanagan-writes-to-rte-about-dubious-documentary-39581589.html

Flanagan is an embarrassment

Flanagan is just representative of the Free State gov cabinet and their attitude to northern nationalists.

Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2020, 11:18:39 AM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/former-minister-for-justice-charlie-flanagan-writes-to-rte-about-dubious-documentary-39581589.html

Aye, sure the Glenanne Gang never existed. In fact, there's no such place as Glenanne.

The London and Dublin government: no difference when it comes to the north.

Quote from: BennyCake on October 02, 2020, 03:52:25 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2020, 11:18:39 AM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/former-minister-for-justice-charlie-flanagan-writes-to-rte-about-dubious-documentary-39581589.html

Aye, sure the Glenanne Gang never existed. In fact, there's no such place as Glenanne.

The London and Dublin government: no difference when it comes to the north.

don't tell Sid that .

Quote from: Angelo on October 02, 2020, 03:36:14 PM
Flanagan is just representative of the Free State gov cabinet and their attitude to northern nationalists.

He is at one unpleasant end of a spectrum, but does not represent everyone.

Quote from: armaghniac on October 02, 2020, 08:52:27 PM

Quote from: Angelo on October 02, 2020, 03:36:14 PM
Flanagan is just representative of the Free State gov cabinet and their attitude to northern nationalists.

He is at one unpleasant end of a spectrum, but does not represent everyone.

He represents the Free State government and their attitudes to the O6.

There are plenty of examples of the type of behaviour Flanagan has exhibited here from Free State gov ministers down the years. It's not long ago since another FG minister blamed Gerry Adams for loyalists coming into his constituency office and murdering a number of civilians.

Quote from: Angelo on October 03, 2020, 08:30:18 AM

Quote from: armaghniac on October 02, 2020, 08:52:27 PM

Quote from: Angelo on October 02, 2020, 03:36:14 PM
Flanagan is just representative of the Free State gov cabinet and their attitude to northern nationalists.

He is at one unpleasant end of a spectrum, but does not represent everyone.

He represents the Free State government and their attitudes to the O6.

There are plenty of examples of the type of behaviour Flanagan has exhibited here from Free State gov ministers down the years. It's not long ago since another FG minister blamed Gerry Adams for loyalists coming into his constituency office and murdering a number of civilians.

Regina Doherty? ;D

Flanagan is representative of the general views of Fine Gael towards the experiences of northern nationalist.

The narrative of  FlanaganFG is that all the Trouble in the North was the fault of Republican paramilitaries.
Anything, like this Documentary that says otherwise is therefore out of order in their minds.

Quote from: Rossfan on October 03, 2020, 12:37:22 PM
The narrative of  FlanaganFG is that all the Trouble in the North was the fault of Republican paramilitaries.
Anything, like this Documentary that says otherwise is therefore out of order in their minds.

That narrative is not unique to FG or Flanagan, it would seem to be the accepted view of the two establishment parties in the 26.

I am Duran (Roberto), Boxing doc, a great watch.

Quote from: bennydorano on October 03, 2020, 07:57:01 PM
I am Duran (Roberto), Boxing doc, a great watch.

What platform is that available on?

Downloaded it from Sky Documentaries

Good to see Sean Murray has instigated legal action

https://twitter.com/sean_murray1/status/1312801724764164098/photo/1

The Forgotten West Memphis Three.

Frightening story and another example of how corrupt the US Judicial has been for a long time.

Bob Ruff does a good job - has anyone any idea of where he is now with the investigation?

Quote from: Taylor on October 05, 2020, 07:44:58 AM
The Forgotten West Memphis Three.

Frightening story and another example of how corrupt the US Judicial has been for a long time.

Bob Ruff does a good job - has anyone any idea of where he is now with the investigation?

The was a brilliant documentary about the case about 10 years ago called West of Memphis, highly recommend checking it out.

It focused on the campaign to free and prove the innocence of the three while also pointing a few fingers at who the real perpetrators might have been.

Quote from: gallsman on October 05, 2020, 09:17:05 AM

Quote from: Taylor on October 05, 2020, 07:44:58 AM
The Forgotten West Memphis Three.

Frightening story and another example of how corrupt the US Judicial has been for a long time.

Bob Ruff does a good job - has anyone any idea of where he is now with the investigation?

The was a brilliant documentary about the case about 10 years ago called West of Memphis, highly recommend checking it out.

It focused on the campaign to free and prove the innocence of the three while also pointing a few fingers at who the real perpetrators might have been.

It wouldnt have taken much additional police work at the time to uncover evidence.

Will get looking into your recommendation galls

Quote from: bennydorano on October 03, 2020, 07:57:01 PM
I am Duran (Roberto), Boxing doc, a great watch.

Thanks for the head's up for this. It is indeed as you say a great watch, especially as he's my favourite fighter of all time.

Fire in Babylon - about the great West Indian Cricket team of the 70s & 80s, available on Sky Documentaries.

Quote from: bennydorano on October 15, 2020, 08:59:07 PM
Fire in Babylon - about the great West Indian Cricket team of the 70s & 80s, available on Sky Documentaries.

Must have a look, they were mostly responsible for nurturing my lifelong love for the game...

The four horsemen of the apocalypse  8)
https://youtu.be/Ync2pKXveeE

Loving anything Michael Portillo is doing Documentary wise, very engaging.

Watching Challenger on Netflix, pretty good, and by f**k what a chance those guys took every time they flew, nuts!

Programme on RTÉ tomorrow night about Terence McSweeney.