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I think we need to drop one of the corner forwards and bring another out and out worker into the team. We also need more pace round midfield so really hoping Kilpatrick is fit - both him and Oguz would be a good help around there.

Good to get younger players game time yesterday but would really help if we had a couple of the experienced players available for next week - it's going to be hot and heavy. I don't see us as being as open on the kickouts as Derry and Donegal could have a problem if Patton unavailable. If they aren't getting the scores from kickouts they'll rely on turnovers and breaks - Tyrone have to be better set up for this and get stops on.

We are more than capable of winning this if can get a bit more structure into our defensive shape.

Mattie Donnelly deserves special mention. Some effort to get back from yet another serious injury and a great performance especially considering it was his first start in near a year. He will go down as a proper Tyrone legend.

Breffni Park in Cavan

For all the negativity and apathy there is still a team there that can play some great football. They played a lot of great football in the Monaghan and mayo matches. Darragh canavan is a joy to watch if gets right ball and hopefully ruairi can start living up to his promise.

Given injuries im happy enough with the team out. But if we do get past this one there has to be a more defensive line out the next day out. We've been very open and top teams have really punished that the last two years.

They definitely should be trying to get underage games on before senior fixtures. Both from the point of view of giving the young lads a bit of exposure and secondly to give those in early something to watch at the senior games. There doesn't seem to be any effort put into promoting the games or making a day out of it. They have also totally devalued underage intercounty gaa.

Sunday's double header looks decent - you'd imagine they'd be disappointed not to get 40,000 plus. Derry Dublin the two best teams in the country on current form and both will want to win it so no danger of teams holding back too much. Ulster derby in the division 2 final which should attract decent numbers too. Though so far a lot of the ground not open - Easter Sunday could play a factor.

And relegated by Tyrone a few months prior to that.

They're talking about all 5 countries entering qualification. Two spots will be held back for whoever doesn't qualify via that route. So if only two
Qualify via qualification one host will miss out on the euros.

I'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?

Where exactly are you lost?

Where I am lost is that the wider community are paying the Bill for this yet the GAA hold the Keys and reap the profits, while basically getting a new stadium all to themselves.
I thought this stadium was for all the community? That it would be ran by an Independent Management Company.
Sure you cant expect the Soccer or to a lesser extent Rugby to be comfortable under such an arrangement?

Soccer and rugby got their grounds redeveloped (albeit at a lower price) and they are getting the benefit of that revenue. Similarly they have got the benefit of long term funding over the gaa. Soccer in particular has benefited from hundreds of council funded pitches. It will also benefit from the Euro's being played there - serious opportunity for exposure for the game locally.

As noted already on the thread the local community will benefit from the stadium through money spent in the area both in terms of match days and concerts etc. There'd be serious money generated in the city from major concerts.

How many games are the Glen lads playing in a year? It's probably less than some of the UUJ players who played Sigerson and McKenna Cup matches? I know they got a break last year after the county season so I'm assuming they played no more than 10 games in the run out of Derry? Then 5 games to win the All Ireland?

Assuming they play the national league that's 8 maximum? 3 then in ulster and another 6 to get to All Ireland final?

So if Derry got to league and All Ireland final they'll have played 32 games in a year?

There was plenty of room in the stand on Sunday and very few on the terrace so I'd imagine the attendance was around 3,000 (pitiful by division 1 standards - not long ago our "fans" used to take hand out of Kerry being badly supported). Carrickmore would be more than capable of holding this and has had bigger crowds at club championship games in recent years. Hopefully Dungannon becomes an option again.

Yesterdays game wouldn't help sell it to anyone but do the county board need to find ways to help improve the support and atmosphere at county games? Every McKenna Cup and league game is currently played in Omagh and can be a pretty drab place especially when the crowds are fairly low.

Would it not be better to take 1 or 2 games a year to other club grounds? A packed Carrickmore would have been better than a quarter full healy park yesterday. Dungannon should be another option going forward as well.

They certainly aren't playing them all in Omagh for the quality of the surface.

Jaysus that was a boring match.

Tyrone were poor.

Soft goal to give away in the context of the game and so so slow and ponderous in the build up.

Match summed up in one passage where Harte had the ball 2v2 at the 45 with a clear  break on and proceeded to turn in circles before offloading backwards.

McQuillan was as expected.

McQuillan done nothing wrong to Tyrone all game to be fair to him. Kilpatrick was lucky to avoid a Black card in the 1st half. Gave Tyrone ample time to rescue a draw but no leaders stepped forward to have a shot in dying seconds even though numerous opportunities were on.

If people are relying on McCurry, McShane, Meyler and Mattie coming back to transform that team then they are in for a massive reality check. Not near good enough. This is a long term issue and come as a result of Mickey not wanting to bleed new players and the current management only realising now you can't play to your 40.

The only decent player that's come through in recent times is Darragh Canavan. Besides him, the players that have come through are leaving Tyrone are a division 2 team at best. We're lightyears in terms of physical development behind the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Derry and Armagh. Out of that starting 15 today how many lads were over 6ft? How many over 13 or 14 stone?
Tyrone are light-years away from challenging from an All Ireland, and serious work and change needs implemented at development level. We're bringing though good footballers, not athletes. The day of a 5ft 6,  11st intercounty footballer are long gone. Pace power strength are the name of the game now, and that's were we're ultimately lacking. As I've said carried too many squad players for years without bringing new blood in, to get them on conditioned plans for inter county football, now we're throwing young lads in at the deep end against teams who are at 3 or 4 years deep in their development and wondering why they look like men against boys. Lots of questions to be answered of the development coaches and structures in place. Spend millions on Garvaghy yet still getting left behind.

Laughable that anyone could try and blame Harte for the current issues. He left 3 years ago and left behind a team where the oldest players were around the 30 mark. And already had brought through a good squad of players from the 2015 u21 winning team and younger boys like Kennedy and Canavan.

It was obvious that a change was needed this year in the management and it didnt happen. For some reason there are numerous players not involved that would add to the squad.

I wouldn't be too harsh on the players as there are so many coming in at the one time.

Mickey ruined an entire generation of Tyrone footballers from 2008 on. Restricted them in every way. They were playing in a straight jacket. Completely devoid of ambition.

Harte "won" 3 All Irelands but the reality was that that team was a once in a generation team and they were destined to win All Irelands. The question was how many? If Harte hadn't have been there they probably would have won many many more. He refused time and again to pick the best players (Mark Harte has an All Ireland medal) and relied on moments of sheer genius from individuals to get them over the line. As that talent aged he couldn't reinvent or reenergise the team. He had Iron grab on the County and it took some bravery to finally oust him. With the those players freed them went on to secure another All Ireland. An average enough team by all accounts. Imagine what we could've done with in 2010s had players been released from his footballing prison. Without Harte we'd be chasing down double figures in All Irelands. 

Good luck to Derry but if the answer is Harte I fear you're asking the wrong questions.

Some nonsense this. If Tyrone had all these players to be winning All Ireland's how come did they didn't win an U21 ulster championship from 2007 to 20214? They struggled badly at that level which is a much better gauge of players coming through than minor. They had a good team in 2015 and won an all ireland u21 and within 3 years Tyrone were in a senior final with many of that crop involved.

Tyrone got to at least the semi final stage on 4 occasions from 2013 to 2019. The last few years have shown how well Harte did at consistently keeping Tyrone at the top end.

Not sure how they'll set them out position wise but here is my stab at the team:

Morgan
McKernan
Hampsey
Clarke
C Quinn
T Quinn
N Devlin
C Kilpatrick
B Kennedy
Burns
Harte
Oguz
T Quinn
D Canavan
S O'Donnell

If Burns isn't fit enough possibly Devlin into corner back and a reshuffle.