what do you think? who would be favourites?

cadhlancian · June 02, 2009, 04:44:17 PM

Was talking about this the other day with a friend. Should Tyrone and Kerry make it through to the All ireland semi final in august, who would start favs? or even the final should one of them get bounced out of their provincial series? I would have to say I think Tyrone ought to be favs, reason being, Defending champions as well as "owning Kerry" over the last 3 meetings! However , somehow I dont think the bookies would see it this way. Any thoughts?

longrunsthefox · June 02, 2009, 04:51:05 PM

Kerry will be raging favourites... Liam Hayes will tip them to win easily and the press will drool over the twin towers

the poor man's Dooher-Paul Galvin and the legend Darragh... but us Tyrone folk would have it no other way

AZOffaly · June 02, 2009, 05:01:11 PM

Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 02, 2009, 04:51:05 PM
Kerry will be raging favourites... Liam Hayes will tip them to win easily and the press will drool over the twin towers the poor man's Dooher-Paul Galvin and the legend Darragh... but us Tyrone folk would have it no other way

Liam Hayes hates this Kerry team.

I think Tyrone would have to be favourites were it to come to pass. Recent history would demand it, barring major injuries on the Tyrone side. Having said that, even though Tyrone would be favourites, Kerry have to catch them sometime, and on the law of averages, not many teams go 4-0 against any Kerry team.

longrunsthefox · June 02, 2009, 05:09:39 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 02, 2009, 05:01:11 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 02, 2009, 04:51:05 PM
Kerry will be raging favourites... Liam Hayes will tip them to win easily and the press will drool over the twin towers the poor man's Dooher-Paul Galvin and the legend Darragh... but us Tyrone folk would have it no other way

Liam Hayes hates this Kerry team.

I think Tyrone would have to be favourites were it to come to pass. Recent history would demand it, barring major injuries on the Tyrone side. Having said that, even though Tyrone would be favourites, Kerry have to catch them sometime, and on the law of averages, not many teams go 4-0 against any Kerry team.

did Cork do it from 1987 to 1990?

AZOffaly · June 02, 2009, 05:29:44 PM

Possibly, but you're proving my point by digging out the exceptions

longrunsthefox · June 02, 2009, 05:31:03 PM

Not many teams went 3-0 against them either

Ball Hopper · June 02, 2009, 06:36:37 PM

Down and Tyrone are the only counties with winning championship records against Kerry.

So Kerry would have to be underdogs, you would think.

Would the pattern of betting cause any major moves in these games? Is there a lot bet on the final, semi-final and provincial finals? Anyone have any insight?

Sandy Hill · June 02, 2009, 06:47:04 PM

QuoteDown and Tyrone are the only counties with winning championship records against Kerry.

Ball Hopper · June 02, 2009, 07:01:20 PM

Quote from: Sandy Hill on June 02, 2009, 06:47:04 PM
QuoteDown and Tyrone are the only counties with winning championship records against Kerry.

Did I say something wrong here?

Our Nail Loney · June 02, 2009, 07:13:32 PM

These are the outright odds:

Kerry 6/4
Tyrone 3/1

So Kerry would go in favourites no question, record or not.

Our Nail Loney · June 02, 2009, 07:14:45 PM

Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 02, 2009, 06:36:37 PM
Down and Tyrone are the only counties with winning championship records against Kerry.

So Kerry would have to be underdogs, you would think.

Would the pattern of betting cause any major moves in these games? Is there a lot bet on the final, semi-final and provincial finals? Anyone have any insight?

There is plenty bet on all rounds of the Championship, and yes if there was a lot of money coming for one of the teams like any betting market the prices would change, if the money is coming in thick and fast for one selection then the odds would shorten... Wouldn't matter if this was GAA, soccer, horses whatever...

ziggysego · June 02, 2009, 07:17:14 PM

Kerry's hurtin' and Tyrone are past it now. Kerry are favourites

Ball Hopper · June 02, 2009, 07:26:22 PM

More than a few of the Kerry boys have a lot of miles up as well.

Last chance saloon for them...

ziggysego · June 02, 2009, 07:28:55 PM

Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 02, 2009, 07:26:22 PM
More than a few of the Kerry boys have a lot of miles up as well.

Last chance saloon for them...

Only on the wind up. At present Tyrone should be the favourites between the two. Got the best of Kerry over the previous 3 Championship outtings. But Kerry will always get the favourites tag, as they are Kerry.

TacadoirArdMhacha · June 02, 2009, 07:47:04 PM

Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2009, 07:13:32 PM
These are the outright odds:

Kerry 6/4
Tyrone 3/1

So Kerry would go in favourites no question, record or not.

Think those odds are more based on the fact that Tyrone have previously failed to make the later stages of the championship as defending All Ireland champions and have been prone to shock defeats (Mayo, Laois - also Meath in 2007). If they were to play Kerry in a semi final or final, I'd say the bookies would be going about evens for each side.