GAA should open Gaelic Grounds 'or else' - Limerick Councillor

[dodo]

Who exactly is baying ?

You say that there is pettiness? The IRFU didn't have to agree to a thing, you colleague and his opinions are not indicative of thinking at the highest level of the IRFU.
He may well have his opinions but they are not shared by the majority of those whose opinions really count, as I've already stated.

So problem solved really, your colleague is out of touch and is obviously the one who has blinkered issues when it comes to accepting the assistance of colleagues in another, more forward thinking organisation.
Thankfully those who do control policies in the IRFU have weeded out this type of individual by moving onto some meaningless committee.

You've also mentioned that this perceived pettines ( perceived by said backwoodsmen like your colleague that fester in the lower ranks of provincial IRFU branches ) is the reason the provinces are not even consdiering requesting the use of Croker That a ludicrous suggestion, the IRFU have prohibited any such move in that they know it would require a further rule change by the GAA at congress. They know that such a motion would not be passed in time for this year anyway, and that it could impinge on any request for further international use whilst Lansdowne is being redeveloped.

Dublad, you;re inability to grasp the very basics of this discussion is quite cute, but c'mon, away and do some research before coming on here talking rubbish.

Maybe you could point your colleague to this site and he can come on under an alias and discuss his issues here with us. It would be easier than trying to discuss it through "an intermediary" as you put it

fester? he must be a minor player if he disagrees with you grow up

the guy is unhappy, as it appears are the FAI but were blunt enough to complain in the press, about their treatment despite handing over tens of millions.

you need to relax. its not an attack. the IRFU could have approached CP for a once off for the Leinster or Munster games.

Feel free to argue the opinion he raised before attacking him and me.

There are some pathetic responses to the opinion of a very resonable man.

This is turning quite ridiculous. You've conveniently chosen to take the stance of a work colleague, saying that he thinks this and feels that and that the IRFU "would prefer to go to Britain. One of the factors in that is apparently that the whole thing would be such a collosal pain in their arse as is their CP experience so far ". How do you know this, let me guess, Casper again your imaginary work buddy  . I don't want you to out Casper now or anything but to argue his opinion all night...I don't know, you just are a good friend I suppose  .

[lynchbhoy]

fester? he must be a minor player if he disagrees with you  grow up

the guy is unhappy, as it appears are the FAI but were blunt enough to complain in the press, about their treatment despite handing over tens of millions.

you need to relax. its not an attack. the IRFU could have approached CP for a once off for the Leinster or Munster games. But they would prefer to go to Britain. One of the factors in that is apparently that the whole thing would be such a collosal pain in their arse as is their CP experience so far.

Feel free to argue the opinion he raised before attacking him and me.

There are some pathetic responses to the opinion of a very resonable man.

not sure why the guy is unhappy as without a stadium of their own to play in , the IRFU and FAI would certainly not make as much money as they stand to do from a locacally based larger capacity venue that has been 'leased' for a smaller fee than most GAA patrons were lead to believe they would obtain.
Financially the IRFU, FAI and indeed the GAA all benefit out of this financially.

However the PR/media have slung the mud around so much , the parties are all believing it now.

The rental of croker was set in stone last summer/autumn.
The prescribed internationals etc and thats it.
Whatever other fixtures have been assigned to the venue have gone in months ago.
If Croke park GAA HQ can facilitae additional fixtures within their calendar, then the IRFU / FAI can sound them out behind closed doors.

It possibly would make sense (financially at least) if the likes of the Gaelic grounds in Limerick were rented out for the munster game.

however the IRFU and FAI do not seem to be in any way thankful at accomodations thus far, so it is understandable that GAA patrons are relatively reluctant to offer any more grounds.

If GAA grounds are offered, then its for GAA financial gain only, there will be no deep seated gratitude.

I'd say take their money, as there will be whinging either way from these ungrateful people.

The normal fans and players of both / all three codes will be the ones that get the abuse from their peers

sad really.

[stephenite]

Who exactly is baying ? 

You say that there is pettiness? The IRFU didn't have to agree to a thing, you colleague and his opinions are not indicative of thinking at the highest level of the IRFU.
He may well have his opinions but they are not shared by the majority of those whose opinions really count, as I've already stated.

So problem solved really, your colleague is out of touch and is obviously the one who has blinkered issues when it comes to accepting the assistance of colleagues in another, more forward thinking organisation.
Thankfully those who do control policies in the IRFU have weeded out this type of individual by moving onto some meaningless committee.

You've also mentioned that this perceived pettines ( perceived by said backwoodsmen like your colleague that fester in the lower ranks of provincial IRFU branches ) is the reason the provinces are not even consdiering requesting the use of Croker That a ludicrous suggestion, the IRFU have prohibited any such move in that they know it would require a further rule change by the GAA at congress. They know that such a motion would not be passed in time for this year anyway, and that it could impinge on any request for further international use whilst Lansdowne is being redeveloped.

Dublad, you;re inability to grasp the very basics of this discussion is quite cute, but c'mon, away and do some research before coming on here talking rubbish.

Maybe you could point your colleague to this site and he can come on under an alias and discuss his issues here with us. It would be easier than trying to discuss it through "an intermediary" as you put it

fester? he must be a minor player if he disagrees with you  grow up

the guy is unhappy, as it appears are the FAI but were blunt enough to complain in the press, about their treatment despite handing over tens of millions.

you need to relax. its not an attack. the IRFU could have approached CP for a once off for the Leinster or Munster games. But they would prefer to go to Britain. One of the factors in that is apparently that the whole thing would be such a collosal pain in their arse as is their CP experience so far.

Feel free to argue the opinion he raised before attacking him and me.

There are some pathetic responses to the opinion of a very resonable man.

Look, the bottom line to all this is that you are incorrect in a lot if what you and your work colleague are saying. I do not believe for one minute that he holds a position of any reponsibility in the IRFU from your description of him. The notion of the provinces playing in Croker or any GAA grounds can only be resolved by the passing of a seperate motion at congress and this is the only reason that the IRFU are not willing to approach the GAA on this

Your colleague may feel that the GAA is being petty about certain caveats, and may feel that this is the reason the provinces will not play, but his thinking is certainly not in line with the IRFU's general thinking, publicly or privately.

You ave stated that his opinion is one that counts within the IRFU, I don't believe that for one second, maybe it did once. Thus the comment that he is now festering in some minor committee.

Like I said, point him to this forum, if he reads this thread and holds such opinons one could only presume that he would want to have his say directly

[bottlethrower7]

dublinfella is a shit-stirrier of the highest order.

I'm sure it gives him a great kick to see the rise hes getting out of you all.

don't encourage him.

(see the FAI thread for more examples of this).

[the bucket]

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it will be ironic if Munster and Leinster have to go to england to play their home quarter finals, seen as rugby would be described in some circles as a West Brit game kinda like going back to their roots really, so they will feel right t home on the mainland

[cavan4ever]

Correct me if im wrong but do Munster not have to beat Leicester to get a home quarter final and Leinster are gonna play there game in ravenhill?

[Dinny Breen]

FFS, there is some paranoid rubbish been written on this thread...

Firstly the facts....


Munster will play their home quarter-final if they get one in Musgrave, their is no need or requirement to move anywhere else. Likewise Leinster can play in Donnybrook if they so desire but will probably play in Ravenhill.

A home semi-final has to played in a stadium with a capacity of 20K or greater and as Lansdowne is ruled out and the IRFU own no other ground with a 20K or greater capacity both Munster and Leinster have provisionally looked abroad with stadiums in Cardiff, Edinburough, London, Reading, Leiscester and Toulouse having been sounded out.

The following is a quote from Philip Browne from last October

"Almost certainly such a game would have to played away. Croke Park is only available for the two internationals against France and England, and this is something that the CEOs of Munster and Leinster are well aware of and have done a fair degree of work in coming up with contingency plans."

The IRFU are not stupid and am sure that their as upset with this Mickey Mouse Counciller as some of you are. The IRFU are probably not happy with some of the arrangements but that is business and they have accepted that, their PR machine has always been positive and supportive of the GAA's stance on opening grounds.

Now as an aside my club Round Towers Kildare will be shortly be laying a new pitch and will be hopefully training out in the local rugby where the current Kildare Senior Squad Train and where the rugby club have allowed them install a GAA pitch that runs side ways accross two floodlight pitches.

Some of you posters really need to open your other eye. Tabloid culture gone mad!!!

[snatter]

To me, this councillor's comments, much of the press coverage, and the comments of some pro-soccer bigoted fellas on this board are all symptomatic of a trend where the gaa is regarded as some sort of semi-state body.

To these people, the GAA's property is not its own, to be used as it sees fit in furthering its aims, ie the promotion of GAELIC GAMES.

No, instead, it is the right of these opinion makers of the English tabloids, Irish independent, Fair supporters, and "the general public" to decide how the GAA uses its real estate.

In their rush to blame the GAA for the lack of soccer / rugby stadiums, surely those mouthing off should look at the real problems.
Ireland has a population of just over 5 million and can't support the number of proper stadiums that each code needs.

If Limerick had one fully covered, all seated municipal stadium, capable of hosting rugby, soccer and Gaelic games, then this row wouldn't be happening. To get such a stadium, all codes would need to contribute financially and co-operate in a civilised manner.
Most importantly, the Govt / general public would have to pay a large share.

Its perverse that the organisation that has managed to build most facilities, with marginal public assistance should be getting abuse heaped on it.

Public contribution to GAA ground development has been marginal.
These whingers will only have any valid case when the public pick up the majority of stadium development costs.
Until that time comes they should shut up, or even better go lobby the government if necessary to build civc stadiums capable of being used by all codes.

[Sky Blue]

A lot of stuff on this thread is completely misleading.
FACT -GAA and IRFU have reach an agreement over Croke Pk that both parties are happy with.
FACT - Munster & Leinster have not asked to use GAA grounds for anything.

The views of some redneck independent councillor from Limerick town mean nothing in the wider scheme of things. This a non story. Dublinfella is a wind up merchant and should be ignored.

[Gnevin]

To me, this councillor's comments, much of the press coverage, and the comments of some pro-soccer bigoted fellas on this board are all symptomatic of a trend where the gaa is regarded as some sort of semi-state body.

To these people, the GAA's property is not its own, to be used as it sees fit in furthering its aims, ie the promotion of GAELIC GAMES.

No, instead, it is the right of these opinion makers of the English tabloids, Irish independent, Fair supporters, and "the general public" to decide how the GAA uses its real estate.

In their rush to blame the GAA for the lack of soccer / rugby stadiums, surely those mouthing off should look at the real problems.
Ireland has a population of just over 5 million and can't support the number of proper stadiums that each code needs.

If Limerick had one fully covered, all seated municipal stadium, capable of hosting rugby, soccer and Gaelic games, then this row wouldn't be happening. To get such a stadium, all codes would need to contribute financially and co-operate in a civilised manner.
Most importantly, the Govt / general public would have to pay a large share.

Its perverse that the organisation that has managed to build most facilities, with marginal public assistance should be getting abuse heaped on it.

Public contribution to GAA ground development has been marginal.
These whingers will only have any valid case when the public pick up the majority of stadium development costs.
Until that time comes they should shut up, or even better go lobby the government if necessary to build civc stadiums capable of being used by all codes.

In all fairness the GAA is really the only organisation that needs more than one 30,000-50,000 stadium in Ireland . Leinster will have a 20,000 stadium in the RDS next year ,Munster will have a 26,000 , Ulster need improvement and Connacht are fine  and the way the Eircom league is going they could play in a park soon enough

[lynchbhoy]

FFS, there is some paranoid rubbish been written on this thread...

Firstly the facts....


Munster will play their home quarter-final if they get one in Musgrave, their is no need or requirement to move anywhere else. Likewise Leinster can play in Donnybrook if they so desire but will probably play in Ravenhill.

A home semi-final has to played in a stadium with a capacity of 20K or greater and as Lansdowne is ruled out and the IRFU own no other ground with a 20K or greater capacity both Munster and Leinster have provisionally looked abroad with stadiums in Cardiff, Edinburough, London, Reading, Leiscester and Toulouse having been sounded out.

The following is a quote from Philip Browne from last October

"Almost certainly such a game would have to played away. Croke Park is only available for the two internationals against France and England, and this is something that the CEOs of Munster and Leinster are well aware of and have done a fair degree of work in coming up with contingency plans."

The IRFU are not stupid and am sure that their as upset with this Mickey Mouse Counciller as some of you are. The IRFU are probably not happy with some of the arrangements but that is business and they have accepted that, their PR machine has always been positive and supportive of the GAA's stance on opening grounds.

Now as an aside my club Round Towers Kildare will be shortly be laying a new pitch and will be hopefully training out in the local rugby where the current Kildare Senior Squad Train and where the rugby club have allowed them install a GAA pitch that runs side ways accross two floodlight pitches.

Some of you posters really need to open your other eye. Tabloid culture gone mad!!!

thats wonderful coexistence and coperation Dinny
but I dont think the GAA rules allow the reverse of this scenario...

[Hound]

but I dont think the GAA rules allow the reverse of this scenario...

does that make it right?

If someone suggested that the rule be changed whereby any club or county could rent out their ground where they felt it made economic sense (subject to sign-off by HQ to ensure its not been given away, it doesnt interefe with a GAA game, and the pitch can take it), that someone woud get widespread abuse on this forum. Why exactly, I'm not sure. Rugby or soccer don't seem to die when they share their grounds with each other and with us.

Likewise I cannot see the downside of allowing Munster play in the Gaelic Grounds, with Limerick GAA taking a big chunk of rent. The game will take place either way. Its not going to make Munster any more popular than they already are.     

[Dinny Breen]

but I dont think the GAA rules allow the reverse of this scenario..

Which is perfectable acceptable as the GAA is a democratric organisation and the rules were brought in for a purpose. But I believe it's time to move on and like Hound I believe each club should be allowed examine and decide by itself. The rugby below will obviously benefit finacially from the Kildare Team but they have offered more or less free of charge to Towers. This will be debated within the club but ultimately it is the club who decides if we can train on a rugby ground because thank there isn't a GAA rule that prevents this.

Too much time is spent worrying about other sports and what they're trying to get out of the GAA, people should have more condifence in their games and just concentrate on ensuring our own house is in order.

I honestly believe some posters here prefer schadenfreude in other sports than actually enjoying and being proud of their own.

[AZOffaly]

You know, if some mouthpieces in the media didn't continually bleat on about what they are 'entitled' to, and what the GAA should and shouldn't do, I honestly feel they'd have more traction within the GAA for what they want. As I've said before, most GAA members are at least supporters, if not members, of other sporting organisations. It's natural to co-operate across such a wide common support/membership.

But my back, and I count myself liberal, gets up every time Cathal Dervan or Floppy Deleany or their ilk start trying to apply meeja pressure to the GAA.

[stephenite]

Likewise I cannot see the downside of allowing Munster play in the Gaelic Grounds, with Limerick GAA taking a big chunk of rent. The game will take place either way. Its not going to make Munster any more popular than they already are.     

I cannot see the downside of it either, my point ws that this cannot happen without another motion being passed at congress. Something that will not happen in time for a Heineken Cup semifinal should Munster or Leinster make it that far this year