Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2023

[Westside]

Massive win for Cullyhanna today v Liatroim. Sad to see Armagh abusing the system and senior team playing intermediate but thats what Cavan Club teams are up against.

I for one will be supporting Ballyhaise the underdog in the final.

They play in the 3rd Division in Armagh. Ballyhaise Div 1.

Are you ok fella? You're quite obsessed on this...

Well you are defending that it's totally fine that your 3 representatives in Ulster this year play Div 1 football in Cavan. You can talk all you want but think about that .....

It has been explained to you many times that they are unlinked here, and that clubs are in the Championship they are in on merit. Like how Arva got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and losing the Junior final last year means they were not good enough before this as their Championship form showed. Your inability to grasp simple facts and coming crying on here is very weird

Do you not think playing div 1 football gives them an unfair advantage? You are the one not seeing the full picture here

No more than playing Senior Championship one year and getting on fine but being relegated because of your league position and playing intermediate the following year.

And certainly less than winning the intermediate in 2022 and playing in it again the following year.

[intheknowhow]

Massive win for Cullyhanna today v Liatroim. Sad to see Armagh abusing the system and senior team playing intermediate but thats what Cavan Club teams are up against.

I for one will be supporting Ballyhaise the underdog in the final.

They play in the 3rd Division in Armagh. Ballyhaise Div 1.

Are you ok fella? You're quite obsessed on this...

Well you are defending that it's totally fine that your 3 representatives in Ulster this year play Div 1 football in Cavan. You can talk all you want but think about that .....

It has been explained to you many times that they are unlinked here, and that clubs are in the Championship they are in on merit. Like how Arva got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and losing the Junior final last year means they were not good enough before this as their Championship form showed. Your inability to grasp simple facts and coming crying on here is very weird

Do you not think playing div 1 football gives them an unfair advantage? You are the one not seeing the full picture here

No more than playing Senior Championship one year and getting on fine but being relegated because of your league position and playing intermediate the following year.

And certainly less than winning the intermediate in 2022 and playing in it again the following year.

We'll take your league seriously so. County teams do... it's a similar system.

[Cavan19]

Seen that the Ulster Junior Final is over and Congratulations to Arva on an well deserved win it's probably time for some of ye to take a break on debating the structures of Cavan club football.

It has been going on now for near 2 months and ye are only going around in circles.

It can all be done again next year prior to Division 1 Knockbride playing the first round of the Ulster Junior Championship.

[Itchy]

Classy from Bradley. Such bloody soar losers

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/11/26/news/ballyhaise_hold_on_to_book_ulster_final_spot_after_narrow_win_over_glenullin-3801378/

[JoG2]

Ref allowed Ballyhaise to be much more physical in the tackle than Glenullin in the 2nd half

[Westside]

Massive win for Cullyhanna today v Liatroim. Sad to see Armagh abusing the system and senior team playing intermediate but thats what Cavan Club teams are up against.

I for one will be supporting Ballyhaise the underdog in the final.

They play in the 3rd Division in Armagh. Ballyhaise Div 1.

Are you ok fella? You're quite obsessed on this...

Well you are defending that it's totally fine that your 3 representatives in Ulster this year play Div 1 football in Cavan. You can talk all you want but think about that .....

It has been explained to you many times that they are unlinked here, and that clubs are in the Championship they are in on merit. Like how Arva got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and losing the Junior final last year means they were not good enough before this as their Championship form showed. Your inability to grasp simple facts and coming crying on here is very weird

Do you not think playing div 1 football gives them an unfair advantage? You are the one not seeing the full picture here

No more than playing Senior Championship one year and getting on fine but being relegated because of your league position and playing intermediate the following year.

And certainly less than winning the intermediate in 2022 and playing in it again the following year.

We'll take your league seriously so. County teams do... it's a similar system.

No. Strong teams in lower grades will happen regardless so we'll keep our current structure.

[Westside]

Ref allowed Ballyhaise to be much more physical in the tackle than Glenullin in the 2nd half

He also allowed Glenullin to kick the ball much more to the outside of the post and still get a point.

[Maroon Manc]

I really don't get the issue here with Arva. They're in the junior championship because they weren't good enough to win it previously. League and championship aren't linked in some counties and that's fair enough as far I'm concerned.
I'd more so have an issue with Blackhill being a yo-yo club every few years, Glenullin remaining at intermediate level for two years running, or a club like Cullyhanna being relegated to intermediate via their league position, ignoring the fact they'd played 90% of the league without their county representatives. This then gave them a pretty straightforward intermediate title in Armagh and a crack at Ulster, despite being a senior club at full strength. A system like Cavan's would eradicate these problems and ensure teams that win championships move up accordingly, and those that have county representation aren't relegated to a lower tier championship via league position undeservedly.

Spot on

[Dreadnought]

Massive win for Cullyhanna today v Liatroim. Sad to see Armagh abusing the system and senior team playing intermediate but thats what Cavan Club teams are up against.

I for one will be supporting Ballyhaise the underdog in the final.

They play in the 3rd Division in Armagh. Ballyhaise Div 1.

Are you ok fella? You're quite obsessed on this...

Well you are defending that it's totally fine that your 3 representatives in Ulster this year play Div 1 football in Cavan. You can talk all you want but think about that .....

It has been explained to you many times that they are unlinked here, and that clubs are in the Championship they are in on merit. Like how Arva got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and losing the Junior final last year means they were not good enough before this as their Championship form showed. Your inability to grasp simple facts and coming crying on here is very weird

Do you not think playing div 1 football gives them an unfair advantage? You are the one not seeing the full picture here

I don't think you are buddy. As already explained to you (again) League is not taken seriously. It's actually been a big debate here in Cavan that the League has been devalued as it is not taken seriously. You playn 12 rounds with no county players, and players just do not go all in on it as it is not linked. They do go all in on Championship. I cannot understand how you cannot process this. If they were linked and teams needed to go full bore for League, I'd agree with you. But they don't. No team is killing themselves for League placings here, so it is not the driver. The teams you are complaining about got where they are by their Championship performances. I cannot understand how you would judge them on meaningless League matches, but not on actual championship results. Like tell me which results you would rather believe? A League with no county players that is not taken seriously, or Championship which is?

[Dreadnought]

Massive win for Cullyhanna today v Liatroim. Sad to see Armagh abusing the system and senior team playing intermediate but thats what Cavan Club teams are up against.

I for one will be supporting Ballyhaise the underdog in the final.

They play in the 3rd Division in Armagh. Ballyhaise Div 1.

Are you ok fella? You're quite obsessed on this...

Well you are defending that it's totally fine that your 3 representatives in Ulster this year play Div 1 football in Cavan. You can talk all you want but think about that .....

It has been explained to you many times that they are unlinked here, and that clubs are in the Championship they are in on merit. Like how Arva got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and losing the Junior final last year means they were not good enough before this as their Championship form showed. Your inability to grasp simple facts and coming crying on here is very weird

Do you not think playing div 1 football gives them an unfair advantage? You are the one not seeing the full picture here

No more than playing Senior Championship one year and getting on fine but being relegated because of your league position and playing intermediate the following year.

And certainly less than winning the intermediate in 2022 and playing in it again the following year.

We'll take your league seriously so. County teams do... it's a similar system.

Maybe, but it's not so you're just going to have to deal with that. In future if they do, then we'll go forward with that. However, the facts remain that league is not taken as seriously here, and the Championships the clubs were in, they deserved to be there on prior results which were taken seriously. Try to retroactively place them in different Championships based on League would be far less right.

Jeez like, it's not as if Cavan is gaming the system here. We've overall a very poor record in Ulster in all 3 Championships, and a few teams making some inroads and such isn't a systematic gaming of it. At the end of the day, Cavan sends out its 1st, 13th, and 27th best teams based on Championship results (some counties have higher ranked teams in Intermediate/Junior than those). Some years those Cavan champions are decent and go well, most years they're not. It's been the Cavan system for a long time, and a few success at Junior level recently is not saying the system is rigged or such. If anything these are the exception, not the rule. Deal with it

[intheknowhow]

Massive win for Cullyhanna today v Liatroim. Sad to see Armagh abusing the system and senior team playing intermediate but thats what Cavan Club teams are up against.

I for one will be supporting Ballyhaise the underdog in the final.

They play in the 3rd Division in Armagh. Ballyhaise Div 1.

Are you ok fella? You're quite obsessed on this...

Well you are defending that it's totally fine that your 3 representatives in Ulster this year play Div 1 football in Cavan. You can talk all you want but think about that .....

It has been explained to you many times that they are unlinked here, and that clubs are in the Championship they are in on merit. Like how Arva got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and losing the Junior final last year means they were not good enough before this as their Championship form showed. Your inability to grasp simple facts and coming crying on here is very weird

Do you not think playing div 1 football gives them an unfair advantage? You are the one not seeing the full picture here

No more than playing Senior Championship one year and getting on fine but being relegated because of your league position and playing intermediate the following year.

And certainly less than winning the intermediate in 2022 and playing in it again the following year.

We'll take your league seriously so. County teams do... it's a similar system.

Maybe, but it's not so you're just going to have to deal with that. In future if they do, then we'll go forward with that. However, the facts remain that league is not taken as seriously here, and the Championships the clubs were in, they deserved to be there on prior results which were taken seriously. Try to retroactively place them in different Championships based on League would be far less right.

Jeez like, it's not as if Cavan is gaming the system here. We've overall a very poor record in Ulster in all 3 Championships, and a few teams making some inroads and such isn't a systematic gaming of it. At the end of the day, Cavan sends out its 1st, 13th, and 27th best teams based on Championship results (some counties have higher ranked teams in Intermediate/Junior than those). Some years those Cavan champions are decent and go well, most years they're not. It's been the Cavan system for a long time, and a few success at Junior level recently is not saying the system is rigged or such. If anything these are the exception, not the rule. Deal with it

I believe Ulster council is planning to regulate with motions been brought by counties.

Your record is because of your system. Owen Lennon noted it in Kingscourt this year in an interview. How do you expect to do well in championship and develop if you take the league as Mickey Mouse.

[Itchy]

Massive win for Cullyhanna today v Liatroim. Sad to see Armagh abusing the system and senior team playing intermediate but thats what Cavan Club teams are up against.

I for one will be supporting Ballyhaise the underdog in the final.

They play in the 3rd Division in Armagh. Ballyhaise Div 1.

Are you ok fella? You're quite obsessed on this...

Well you are defending that it's totally fine that your 3 representatives in Ulster this year play Div 1 football in Cavan. You can talk all you want but think about that .....

It has been explained to you many times that they are unlinked here, and that clubs are in the Championship they are in on merit. Like how Arva got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and losing the Junior final last year means they were not good enough before this as their Championship form showed. Your inability to grasp simple facts and coming crying on here is very weird

Do you not think playing div 1 football gives them an unfair advantage? You are the one not seeing the full picture here

No more than playing Senior Championship one year and getting on fine but being relegated because of your league position and playing intermediate the following year.

And certainly less than winning the intermediate in 2022 and playing in it again the following year.

We'll take your league seriously so. County teams do... it's a similar system.

Maybe, but it's not so you're just going to have to deal with that. In future if they do, then we'll go forward with that. However, the facts remain that league is not taken as seriously here, and the Championships the clubs were in, they deserved to be there on prior results which were taken seriously. Try to retroactively place them in different Championships based on League would be far less right.

Jeez like, it's not as if Cavan is gaming the system here. We've overall a very poor record in Ulster in all 3 Championships, and a few teams making some inroads and such isn't a systematic gaming of it. At the end of the day, Cavan sends out its 1st, 13th, and 27th best teams based on Championship results (some counties have higher ranked teams in Intermediate/Junior than those). Some years those Cavan champions are decent and go well, most years they're not. It's been the Cavan system for a long time, and a few success at Junior level recently is not saying the system is rigged or such. If anything these are the exception, not the rule. Deal with it

It is the system in vast majority of counties I'm pretty sure.

[Dreadnought]

Massive win for Cullyhanna today v Liatroim. Sad to see Armagh abusing the system and senior team playing intermediate but thats what Cavan Club teams are up against.

I for one will be supporting Ballyhaise the underdog in the final.

They play in the 3rd Division in Armagh. Ballyhaise Div 1.

Are you ok fella? You're quite obsessed on this...

Well you are defending that it's totally fine that your 3 representatives in Ulster this year play Div 1 football in Cavan. You can talk all you want but think about that .....

It has been explained to you many times that they are unlinked here, and that clubs are in the Championship they are in on merit. Like how Arva got relegated from Intermediate in 2021 and losing the Junior final last year means they were not good enough before this as their Championship form showed. Your inability to grasp simple facts and coming crying on here is very weird

Do you not think playing div 1 football gives them an unfair advantage? You are the one not seeing the full picture here

No more than playing Senior Championship one year and getting on fine but being relegated because of your league position and playing intermediate the following year.

And certainly less than winning the intermediate in 2022 and playing in it again the following year.

We'll take your league seriously so. County teams do... it's a similar system.

Maybe, but it's not so you're just going to have to deal with that. In future if they do, then we'll go forward with that. However, the facts remain that league is not taken as seriously here, and the Championships the clubs were in, they deserved to be there on prior results which were taken seriously. Try to retroactively place them in different Championships based on League would be far less right.

Jeez like, it's not as if Cavan is gaming the system here. We've overall a very poor record in Ulster in all 3 Championships, and a few teams making some inroads and such isn't a systematic gaming of it. At the end of the day, Cavan sends out its 1st, 13th, and 27th best teams based on Championship results (some counties have higher ranked teams in Intermediate/Junior than those). Some years those Cavan champions are decent and go well, most years they're not. It's been the Cavan system for a long time, and a few success at Junior level recently is not saying the system is rigged or such. If anything these are the exception, not the rule. Deal with it

I believe Ulster council is planning to regulate with motions been brought by counties.

Your record is because of your system. Owen Lennon noted it in Kingscourt this year in an interview. How do you expect to do well in championship and develop if you take the league as Mickey Mouse.

Are they? based on prior, we've seen a very hands off approach to how counties run their Championships. Hence there are so many variances from county to county. No one solution fits all, and not sure how they 'regulate' this when a county has a system that works for their number of clubs etc and how that works with the split season.

So Cavans poor record is because of our system, but our current Junior Champions who are too good is also because of our system? What?

[Dreadnought]

I believe Ulster council is planning to regulate with motions been brought by counties.

Your record is because of your system. Owen Lennon noted it in Kingscourt this year in an interview. How do you expect to do well in championship and develop if you take the league as Mickey Mouse.

Are they? based on prior, we've seen a very hands off approach to how counties run their Championships. Hence there are so many variances from county to county. No one solution fits all, and not sure how they 'regulate' this when a county has a system that works for their number of clubs etc and how that works with the split season.

So Cavans poor record is because of our system, but our current Junior Champions who are too good is also because of our system? What?

Also, how many counties are linked or unlinked? Who is the majority, or are you only using your own counties system as a guide here? Like i understand if you see what you know as better. Buit historically haven't all counties not been linked?

And what's the answer for the club players? Do we go the Tyrone system where they most of the year for county players to be free for League as well?

[thewobbler]

It's not as far away as the griping above would make you believe.

There won't be a perfect system. There won't even be a close to perfect system. You can't stop stars aligning.

Three simple measures should be easy to implement across the board:

1. When a club wins its county's IFC or JFC, for the subsequent season, they must play at a higher championship level. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.

2. If a club's senior league position at the end of any season, ranks them in 10th place or higher, then they must compete in their county's SFC the following season. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.

3. If a club's senior league position at the end of any season, ranks them in 20th place or higher, then they cannot play in their county's JFC the following season. This stipulation supersedes all localised competition rules.


No. 1 is a no-brainer.

Nos. 2 and 3 could run into logistics issues in smaller counties, but in those cases the ranges could be adapted accordingly.

I know I know I know that in some in counties they don't take league football seriously. But you know what? There's clubs everywhere forking out a fortune for management teams and toys all year round. The least they could do in return is try harder in league football.